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Game 3 of the Stanley Cup Finals goes down

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tonight in Florida. We're

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gonna have Bill Lindsay join us in the next couple

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minutes, former Panthers forward NHL network

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analyst. We're

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gonna be that one up.

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Gotta

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press the button there for it to work here. What

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am I, a rookie? Am I a newbie over here? Remember that

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one day when I had that happen? You're having one of those

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days. Yeah, I am, because it's the second time that that's happened to

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me. It's like it doesn't happen once. You're

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at the rink, I know. I have no excuse for it. I just had to press

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the same button that we press here in the studio. I

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know. Anyways, so last night I saw

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two things that I thought were hilarious. What's

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going on this week, along with the Cup Final, is

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the scouting combine. It's also

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happening. They're doing the off-ice stuff throughout

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the week, and then the on-ice stuff is happening over

1:03

the weekend.

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Did you see that apparently? The

1:06

Chicago Blackhawks had the audacity

1:09

to come out and say that they're still deliberating on

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who they're gonna take at number one. I know.

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And you know what? I interviewed Connor Bedard quite a

1:15

few times. The NHL's parading this guy.

1:19

At the Memorial Cup, they're parading him

1:21

at the NHL Stanley Cup Finals,

1:24

joining TNTs, joining all these broadcasts.

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Yet, they're like, yeah, I don't know if we're gonna take that

1:30

guy number one overall. Are you kidding me? I think

1:32

we have to. Yeah, I have no idea. But I know that

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I wasn't allowed to ask him about Chicago specifically

1:36

in any interviews that I had with him this weekend. I think

1:38

that that was the case for most people. They

1:40

were advised not to ask him specifically about Chicago.

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And you know what? To pull the curtain back a

1:45

little bit, I think there's a little bit of Shane Wright PTSD

1:47

from last year.

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I know it's not the same situation at

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all,

1:52

but I think he was just told that

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he was going number one overall since the time he was 12. That

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if it happened two years

1:58

later, he'd be very confused. It

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was like it was very

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much a conversation a question. There's no conversation

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at number one No, no conversation

2:07

whatsoever. Like it's it's Connor, but Dard.

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Yeah, it's not even not even close Apparently

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Adam Fantilli came out and said that he's not even sure

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I see Michigan

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morning might go back for a sophomore year I'm

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gonna which one do you think is is? Like

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more BS, I guess but art cuz there's

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still a chance that Fanta like a go

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there is a lot of cap in Both of those

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statements. Yeah, but probably but Dard. Yeah.

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No, no. No, what's the term? They're both flipping Berg's

2:30

They're both flipping Berge's a

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be there You

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get to use that term to hear that

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often when you're at the Memorial Cup to pick up any

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new terms No I did the

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the most notable thing at the Memorial Cup

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that I thought was very hockey bro and hilarious is three

2:44

times Three times and it's pretty

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rare that you get a real pucks in deep answer

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Because guys just know that that pucks in deep

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is just such a cliche that they don't even bother trying

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to serve it up on Their platter of interview

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questions and answers anymore But

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I got three get pucks in deep responses

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from from the junior boys this weekend.

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That's funny Classic you

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can't steer away from the classics. No,

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no, no, you do got to get pucks in deep. You need

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four lines rolling I'd be a great

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junior NHL player. That's it. Just tell

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people pucks in deep roll all four lines The boys

3:15

are rolling make sure your four check back check

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paycheck, bro. Yeah, basically what it's that I

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mean that like we go back to the cup final

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like essentially

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That's what Vegas has been

3:24

doing check back check paycheck Yeah,

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they've been pucks in deep for check make sure

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you're back checking right and they get the puck out quick

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It's clinical and to the point you were making earlier

3:34

in the in the show Like they're just not making

3:36

any mistakes and really just because I'm living kind of in

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the junior hockey Mindset right now because I was

3:40

watching so much bed They're reminding me of the

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Quebec ramparts team that that Seattle

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was such an opportunistic team. Like if you made

3:47

an error

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They're gonna capitalize on it

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Difference in the in their games versus Quebec

3:53

was that Quebec didn't make a tactical

3:55

error in the in the round-robin game versus

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Seattle and nor just

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day in the final. And I'm seeing

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the same thing in this Vegas Golden Knights

4:04

team. But let's see if the guy on the phone has any ideas

4:06

as to how this Florida team could break

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through. It's Bill Lindsay, former Panthers forward

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and NHL Network analyst. How's it going, Bill?

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Bill Lindsay Good. How are you doing

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this afternoon? Bill Lindsay We're doing well. Lauren Marchegiani

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We're great. The smoke is kind of clearing here in

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Toronto. I can't imagine the weather is

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as nice as it is in Florida. But

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we're just battling through here, Bill. We're

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just bringing- Bill Lindsay Canada's burning up. Lauren

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Marchegiani Well, Canada, the scenes that are

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in New York too, like yesterday, look almost apo-

4:34

like apocalyptic almost, the way that it was all orange

4:37

and it was very, very bizarre. But, you

4:40

know, that's what it is. But there's a

4:43

cup final that we got going on and

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the series shifting back down into

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Florida. Like, how key do you think that

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is for the Panthers to get back on home

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ice to try and gain some or rip some momentum

4:55

back from Vegas here heading into game three?

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Bill Lindsay Well, this is a game three.

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It's- it's- it's almost

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a must. You have to have

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this one in the bank. You go up to Vegas, lose

5:06

a couple of games. This team has battled adversity

5:09

all year just to get into the playoffs, have

5:12

that 3-1 deficit against Boston.

5:14

They found a way to get through that. So

5:16

they've been comfortable being uncomfortable

5:19

for about the last three months. This

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is that same type of situation. They're gonna have to

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play their best hockey, play their best game. The first

5:26

couple of games. I thought after

5:28

the rest, after the nine days, there

5:31

was some talk about rust, but it wasn't

5:33

rust. It was almost overzealous. They- they

5:35

were trying to do too much. Got caught

5:38

out of position, trying to do other people's

5:40

jobs. Just

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over exuberant on some plays,

5:45

taking it over the edge. So get back

5:47

on home ice, get back to your identity,

5:50

play the game and hopefully get an

5:52

early lead, get this crowd involved into

5:54

it and make Vegas chase the game. Make them come

5:57

after you instead of you being the chase-y.

6:00

to stay out of the penalty box. That's been a big issue

6:03

early on, a couple of bad penalties in the

6:06

first period of both games. So there's

6:08

some stuff to clean up, but it's not impossible.

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This Panther team will be ready and I expect

6:12

them to play their best team and have

6:14

a real good chance. Then you win this game,

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game three on home ice, it flips the series

6:19

all around and changes

6:21

the whole identity of the series.

6:23

Yeah, the whole complexion would be different.

6:25

It ain't over till you lose on home ice. And I

6:27

bet the Panthers are riding that right now. The

6:30

same way that they kind of rode Sergey Bobrowski

6:32

for a lot of this playoff run. So I think

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it's kind of the question of the

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day, how much of winning

6:39

tonight depends on Bobrowski

6:41

bouncing back here?

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Bobrowski's

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got to be good, but the team's got to be better in

6:47

front of them. It's the complete package

6:49

that this Panther team has been

6:51

looking for. And what's been noticeable in the first couple

6:53

of games is the Panthers just haven't been able to establish

6:56

that forecheck in pressure and that

6:58

zone time that we've been

7:01

accustomed to. The rush

7:03

chances come down the other way. For Vegas,

7:06

Paul Murray's just talking to them and he

7:08

says they're trying to just get

7:11

a little too cute in the offensive

7:13

zone where they're the best rebound team in

7:15

the NHL during the regular season. They

7:17

like those plays low to high, get it back to the point,

7:20

get rebound chances, find

7:22

a way to solve Aiden Hill. And even

7:24

though you talked, the Panthers have been in the penalty

7:26

box, so when they've had the power play, they're 0-7.

7:30

And it's been critical. Their power play has been

7:32

good. At times, they're scoring critical goals in

7:34

key situations. So

7:36

if they get a chance tonight, Paul Murray's wants to

7:38

see more urgency, more desperation

7:41

on the power play. He felt that's one

7:43

area where they've kind of let their foot off the gas pedal,

7:45

where there could be more intensity.

7:48

Bobrowski has to bounce back. He has to be

7:50

sharp. I have no qualms

7:52

about that. It's going to be

7:55

there. Bobrowski has a short-term memory. I expect

7:57

his best game of the series. group

8:01

if they are are going to win tonight it's

8:03

going to have to get done by committee you

8:05

see on the other side Vegas they

8:08

get scoring from everywhere this panther team they're going

8:10

to have to have all 18 players show

8:12

up and battle as hard as they can

8:14

is there one guy in particular

8:16

besides Bobrovsky maybe we'll put Kachuk

8:19

kind of to the side right now because you know that those are the two

8:21

horses but like is there somebody else on

8:23

the panthers squad who you think has been a little

8:26

underwhelming and really needs to get going

8:28

here to spark this team. Barkov

8:32

has to be better he has to be more noticeable

8:35

he can he can

8:36

change the tempo of both ends of the ice you

8:40

look at the two best defensive forwards in this series

8:42

the 200 foot players Mark Stone and

8:46

Barkov. Mark Stone's had more of a impact

8:48

in the first couple of games than Barkov. I

8:51

expect more for him to be

8:53

a driving force he is

8:56

everyone talks about Kachuk but he

8:59

does if you watch Barkov play in the

9:01

nuances the little things when

9:03

he's on his game disrupting plays

9:05

in the defensive zone hanging

9:07

onto the puck he has that long reach

9:10

he's just so good in

9:13

so many areas and

9:15

when he's kind of going the panthers are going

9:19

so I need a little bit more from Barkov. Brandon

9:21

Montour he just had a baby he had to fly back

9:24

and forth in between games number

9:26

one and two but doesn't have a point his last

9:29

10 games 10 or 11 games he got

9:32

off that really hot start so

9:34

I would say the D in general they

9:36

got a lot of production from their defenseman and

9:39

in this series got three goals from

9:41

Vegas defenseman and nothing from

9:43

the panthers they have to activate

9:45

their D they have to get up on the rush

9:48

Montour is a catalyst in that category

9:50

fordling at Vlad the

9:53

defense corps for the panthers have to be more

9:55

involved offensively just if

9:58

it's a two on two they got to make it a three on They

10:00

got to be that extra layer

10:03

on the attack. So far in this series, the

10:05

Vegas Defensemen offensively have been better than

10:07

the Panthers. That just has not

10:09

been the case throughout the course of these playoffs. So the

10:11

two things I'm looking for are Barkoff to be better

10:14

and the Panther Defensemen to be more of a factor

10:17

pushing the play and being more aggressive

10:19

offensively.

10:21

So tactical

10:23

things kind of aside for a second. The

10:25

whole first part of this run for the

10:28

Florida Panthers that was very magical

10:30

and they felt like the team of Destiny, they were

10:32

riding this underdog mentality, especially

10:34

in those first two series. How do they

10:36

get back to that tonight? It feels like the perfect time

10:38

to start riding that underdog

10:41

mentality that Matthew Kachuk really had the whole

10:43

team kind of rallying behind coming into the playoffs.

10:47

Yeah, just get back to your identity.

10:49

Grind, play between the whistles, play hard

10:52

in your face.

10:55

In the Panthers, if you look at it, what they did, they beat

10:58

Boston, Carolina and Toronto. They had a stretch there.

11:00

So coming into this series, they won 11

11:03

of 12 games against the best competition

11:05

in the playoffs. So you have

11:07

a little dip. You lose a couple of

11:09

games at the start of this series.

11:13

Maybe there was a couple of goal-pulsing

11:15

games in one. Some chances maybe that

11:17

stuff was going differently for

11:20

yourself. So if you're

11:22

the Panthers,

11:24

you've done it against the best

11:26

in the East. This Vegas team is good,

11:29

but it's nothing that you haven't seen

11:31

before. If you go Boston, Carolina,

11:33

Toronto, you've seen pieces of

11:36

what Vegas is able to throw at you. I

11:39

would just say for the Panthers and themselves, just

11:42

focus on this game. 30 seconds,

11:45

just try and push the tempo as

11:48

much as possible and see if

11:50

they can get back. It's just with all the penalties,

11:53

disruption, things

11:56

have just gotten away from them. I

11:59

would expect... Just a clean

12:01

first period. Stay out of the penalty box. Just

12:06

get to your style and make sure you're just

12:08

not behind the 8 ball and trying to find a

12:10

way to get this crowd really energized and

12:13

behind you. So the biggest thing I'm looking for is the start

12:16

of this game. Come out, make

12:18

sure you're intact and you're

12:20

right there and you're on your toes

12:22

and you're being the aggressor here in this opening

12:25

period against Vegas to start game

12:27

number three.

12:28

Yeah, I thought Paul Maurice had a really interesting

12:30

quote just when it comes to this team's

12:32

identity and their physicality. He

12:36

said something to the effect of they

12:38

might be being too physical. Maybe

12:40

we're too physical in games one

12:42

and two of the Stanley Cup final. He

12:45

said you don't need 66 hits in a game. There's

12:47

an energy cost to that. So how do they walk the line

12:49

to start this game

12:50

of coming out like gangbusters the way

12:53

that we're used to seeing them but also walking

12:55

that line of maybe not expanding

12:57

too much energy on the physical part of the game.

12:59

Yeah, so that's where

13:01

I got to. Like you almost had too much

13:03

energy after those nine days off. You wanted

13:05

to hit everything in sight and when

13:07

you start doing that you just get caught out of position.

13:10

So if you're in the right position to make a hit, make it, but

13:12

don't go out of your way to

13:15

do it. If one player is down there, you don't

13:17

need to send another guy in there to

13:20

have a hit. I would just say

13:23

do the old app, just do

13:25

your job. Whatever

13:27

your job is, do your

13:29

responsibility. If a player gets

13:31

beat, let him just

13:34

recover. Don't compound a mistake

13:37

with another mistake. And that's what

13:39

I've seen in the first couple of games. The dancers get

13:41

caught out of position. That's

13:43

a little bit and all of a sudden someone just tries

13:45

to help out and cover for

13:47

that mistake. So just

13:50

take what's there for you, but

13:52

just don't try and take a bigger bite of the apple

13:56

than you're supposed to. I guess that would be for

13:58

the Panther team. there, take

14:00

it, but don't go out of your

14:03

way to do stuff offensively,

14:06

defensively. Just kind of stay in your lane

14:08

and your game plan and whatever your

14:10

job is with this team and whatever your identity

14:12

is, just follow it and

14:15

take it from there. Just

14:17

keep it simple. The old kiss philosophy. Kiss philosophy.

14:21

Keep it simple and stupid. Just

14:23

basic hockey. Yeah, yeah. I remember

14:26

thinking similar things too when we were watching

14:28

the Leafs series, whereas a couple of guys

14:30

chasing hits and leaving

14:32

your defensive coverage a little exposed

14:34

by doing that and Florida took advantage.

14:37

That's kind of similar to what we're seeing happen here in the Vegas

14:40

series. We're in conversation

14:42

with Bill Lindsay, Fulmer NHL'er, and

14:45

Panthers

14:45

analyst. When you look

14:47

at the first two games, Bill, 16

14:50

goals were scored between the two teams, which is

14:52

actually the most we've seen through two games

14:54

in the Santa Cup finals since 1982. Obviously,

14:57

those games did not go Florida's way.

15:00

So is the key tonight

15:02

to keep this a low-scoring, grinded-out

15:04

game for Florida? That

15:07

would be preferable. The

15:10

longer it goes and it stays close, that's

15:13

been there in their DNA,

15:15

those close games. You look back and they

15:17

had eight straight one-goal games coming into

15:20

this series. 95% of their games

15:22

have been

15:23

within one goal. If

15:25

you went back through those last 12 games, they played 95%

15:27

of the time. It

15:29

was either tied or a one-goal lead

15:31

or one-goal deficit. So if the game's

15:33

close, that's their comfort zone. It's

15:36

okay. Even if they're down by a goal, they're comfortable.

15:40

When you get down by two, that's

15:43

when you got to open it up. You

15:45

got to try things and it becomes more

15:47

problematic. The longer the Panthers

15:49

can keep this tied or have

15:52

a lead or even just down a goal, they're

15:54

okay in that area. That's

15:57

what has to be the plan tonight. Just keep it close.

16:00

And at the end, we'll see where it takes you.

16:02

Once the game's closed, they will, that's their

16:05

identity, that's where they wanna play.

16:08

We'll leave it there. Really appreciate

16:10

the time as always, Bill, and

16:13

enjoy the game tonight. All

16:15

right, thanks for having me on, I appreciate it. Have a great

16:17

afternoon, and yeah, enjoy it yourselves. Absolutely

16:21

we will, thank you so much.

16:22

Bill Lindsay, former NHL

16:25

Network Analyst. I feel like he was

16:27

about to

16:28

say enjoy the games or something to that effect,

16:31

and then he

16:32

was remembering that we hosted a leaf show and

16:34

probably felt bad for us. He's like, you're not enjoying

16:36

it. You're probably not enjoying this.

16:38

I don't know, do you watch these games right

16:41

now? Are you thinking back and saying to yourself,

16:44

Toronto could have beat this team. No, I'm honestly

16:46

not. No, you're not there. I did

16:48

that so hard that year that they lost

16:50

to Montreal. Yeah. Very similar,

16:53

Montreal too. They could have, they didn't.

16:55

And they just don't know how to apparently.

16:57

They closed out that series against Tampa to the point Craig

16:59

made earlier in the show. Were they that good against Tampa?

17:02

No. We were pretty critical of them during

17:04

that series with Tampa. 100%, we talked

17:06

to us like, yeah, okay, they got the

17:08

win. We celebrated that obviously, and it's,

17:10

yeah. They won a round, but they're

17:12

actually better the year before where

17:14

they lost in seven games than they were in

17:16

the six game series victory. Like if that

17:19

Silesky wasn't horrendous in

17:21

that series, I mean, well,

17:24

clearly we see what happens. Bobrovsky stood

17:26

on his head and they lost in five games playing the

17:28

way that they were playing. Yeah. And

17:30

Bobrovsky,

17:31

as the bubble burst

17:33

on him, like maybe a little bit, he hasn't

17:35

been, you know,

17:37

as otherworldly as he

17:39

was prior in the last couple of

17:41

series.

17:42

But at the same time, you know, to Bill's point,

17:44

it's a lot of what's happening in front of him that

17:47

has also been a big problem for Florida.

17:49

So it's not that they're just not getting the goaltending,

17:51

but it seems like they're not doing as good a job

17:53

and their defensive zone coverage either. And they're kind of

17:56

leaving their goaltender out to dry. They're screening

17:58

their own goalie on some of these goals too.

17:59

Like they just need

18:01

to clean it up in their own end and give

18:03

Bobrovsky a chance and allow

18:06

him to get hot again Right that

18:08

and that's the scary part if you're if you're Florida

18:10

It's you know now that we're down to

18:12

oh we there's not a long

18:14

runway for him to get his Confidence

18:17

back and get hot again.

18:18

So what does that runway look like for you? Like

18:20

how long I should have asked us

18:22

to to bill but like how long do you think

18:25

the leash is for Sergei Bobrovsky? in

18:27

the game tonight, I

18:28

Mean if

18:31

they're down if it's

18:33

Similar to when Vegas

18:35

beat Dallas where it was you know

18:37

over in the first 15 minutes.

18:39

Yeah You

18:41

probably have to because Bob

18:43

is otherworldly, but lying Gotham. They

18:45

weren't making the playoffs that Alex Lyon They weren't

18:47

right But I mean Alex

18:50

line also didn't

18:50

allowed three goals in the last

18:52

game as well It's not like Alex Lyon is

18:54

there's

18:55

a reason why he it was

18:57

a story right like yeah He

18:59

got hot for a couple weeks there. Yeah, I don't

19:02

think he's you're looking at him saying he's

19:04

the spark He's the Savior You've

19:07

got a role with Bobrovsky I would think

19:10

if this thing gets out ahead where it gets to

19:12

similarly to game number two where it's Three

19:14

nothing in the first or it's four nothing midway through

19:16

the game I guess you you try

19:19

and it's not necessarily even on Bobrovsky

19:21

like just because you pull your goaltender It doesn't mean

19:23

that it's necessarily a

19:25

detriment to the goalie Often

19:28

it's it's just a way to send a message to the rest

19:30

of your team like the group guys Let's let's

19:33

get going here. You left this goalie out to dry.

19:35

Don't do it to the next one Yeah, and unfortunately

19:38

in game two The message

19:40

didn't get through but you would think on home

19:42

ice With their backs up against the wall

19:45

And this is where the Panthers have been

19:47

at their best to your point that you were trying

19:49

to make there were bill It's like they

19:52

had the underdog mentality through the first three

19:54

series in spades They always

19:57

were looked upon as the big-time

19:59

underdog And they loved it they breathed

20:01

it and they embraced it coming

20:04

into this series It wasn't they weren't as big underdogs

20:07

like if you looked at the at the odds on bag

20:08

I mean, it's like they lost that much

20:10

when they lost that underdog mentality Yeah,

20:13

a little bit identity a little bit But now

20:15

that they're down to again,

20:17

you got to think that that mindset's got to come

20:19

back into the fold Yeah, and is that the spark

20:21

they need to play better? Maybe the

20:23

play more inspired play with better energy

20:25

play play smarter hockey also. Yeah,

20:28

I'd like to think so Like I like

20:30

I was saying I don't think there's a better time to try and ride

20:32

that underdog mentality that really seemed to

20:34

be giving Them momentum through the first

20:36

three series. He even tried to play it before the conference

20:38

final series against against Carolina It

20:41

just wasn't working by then but now I

20:43

think it's time to put your your doggy

20:45

Shoes back on and get into the underdog

20:47

position under cats. Actually, I remember saying

20:49

at the time the under cat Yes, the the under

20:52

cats. It's interesting though, because it looks like like

20:54

on fan duel

20:55

The the total for the game

20:58

is shifting So it was six and a half last night

21:00

when I was looking at it and it's now down to five and a

21:02

half It's it's paying even money That means

21:04

that there's a lot of people who are starting

21:06

to place some wagers on the under six and a half

21:09

Which would probably favor Florida?

21:12

I would think so It sounds like people are kind of back

21:14

in the Panthers They are the the money line

21:16

favorites at minus 122 going back home And

21:19

like I stated earlier teams are 10 and 2

21:22

went down Oh two since 2000 in game 3 of

21:24

the cup final

21:24

Interesting there's a lot of a lot of a lot

21:27

of

21:27

reason to think that Florida can get themselves

21:29

back into the series You make it to one

21:31

all of a sudden things are different But

21:34

boy, did they have to show me tonight that the

21:37

play on the ice has changed

21:39

also Because what I've seen through the first two

21:41

series they've been completely overmatched

21:44

in all aspects of the game They

21:46

got to come out tonight and they got to play way

21:48

better way better

21:49

I want to tie back Florida issues to

21:51

a couple of leaf things that caught my ear

21:56

Just to the point that you were making

21:58

about the way that the Leafs

21:59

play like we touched on this with Craig Button and then

22:02

it came to my mind again

22:03

the

22:04

bill when when bill was just talking there

22:06

the way that the Leafs played against bass loves he

22:08

because we can say that's what he wasn't good in that opening

22:11

series whatever he wasn't looking

22:13

like the bat and bass e of old but no

22:15

there's no goaltender on the planet that could stop

22:18

a puck well there's a couple lucky

22:20

ones I'm sure every every hundred shots there's

22:22

no goaltender on the planet that could

22:25

stop pucks without seeing them like member bass

22:27

loves he was so frustrated he said something to the effect

22:29

of get f'n x-ray goggles

22:31

yes yes then that

22:33

didn't happen in the series against Florida and

22:35

it's me it bothers me a bit when we go you know

22:37

Bob went otherworldly cuz he did but

22:40

there's not a goalie on the planet to the point Craig

22:42

was making he quoted Bob gaining guy

22:44

who knows how to win pretty well in

22:47

saying that you didn't find a solution and I think

22:49

it's more that for this Leafs

22:51

team

22:52

and I know he was good against Carolina to Carolina

22:54

not necessarily an offensive juggernaut and

22:56

we're down a couple of their best scorers

22:58

and traffic makers in front right

23:00

yeah 100% and to me that's that's

23:02

obviously the difference now you're looking at Florida

23:05

and it's like they did a pretty good job of clearing the track

23:07

defensively like it's a team game yeah

23:09

like ultimately it's like you're talking about goaltending

23:11

as its position as it's as itself as

23:13

a zone entity but like it's

23:16

a team game your defensive zone

23:18

coverage can help your goaltender

23:20

right like that's how you enhance you know some

23:22

of your your goaltending play you look at Lena Solmark

23:24

why would it lead us all mark go from being a

23:27

terrible goaltender when he was in Buffalo

23:29

to all of a sudden this year the guy's gonna win you

23:31

know goalie of the year it's because of the structure in

23:34

place in front of him and Florida has

23:36

gotten away from that right when they're playing and

23:38

again I think it's twofold you could say Florida's

23:40

got away from that but at the same time Vegas

23:42

is doing more to make sure that they don't

23:44

get moved off the mark when they're standing in front of the goalie

23:47

whereas Toronto didn't quite

23:49

make it their MO to get

23:51

in front of Bobrovsky as

23:52

much yeah there was a lot more

23:54

rush like they their offense came off

23:56

the rush against Bobrovsky and against

23:58

Florida a lot more than it did

23:59

when you were playing, then

24:02

they were playing Tampa Bay. Like it seemed like they changed. It was

24:04

clinical what they had going on, the low shot from the point.

24:06

Morgan Riley scoring like left, right and center in that

24:08

series of that low shot from the point. They got away

24:10

from it. And they just didn't see that. Like the his shot totals ended up dropping

24:13

in that series and they started to just

24:15

gain. The problem was they weren't able to

24:17

set up in the offensive zone either. Like there were so many

24:19

issues

24:20

that Toronto ended up having and

24:22

just not enough time for them to correct them, I guess, in

24:24

a short series when it only goes five

24:26

games. But to your point, it

24:29

is frustrating when you see now Bobrovsky

24:32

clearly the book is, and it's

24:34

not like this is a, you

24:36

know,

24:37

trade secret here.

24:38

Take away his eyesight.

24:39

They can't say they can't stop it. Shoot high,

24:41

shoot high, take away his eyesight and

24:43

good things can happen. That was basically

24:45

exactly what they did against Vasilevsky. And

24:48

why that didn't continue into the series against

24:50

Florida

24:51

is definitely a frustrating thing to see if you're a Leaf

24:54

fan. Yeah, so to answer your initial question, no.

24:56

I don't watch the series and lament, oh, I bet

24:58

the Leafs could be in this series. Cause the Leafs that we

25:00

saw versus the Florida Panthers did not deserve

25:03

to be in the Stanley Cup lineup. That's why I think

25:04

it's frustrating. Yeah. Cause it's

25:06

like, why couldn't they wake up for that series? They

25:09

keep showing us that they can't.

25:11

I don't know. Very odd. Yeah, yeah.

25:14

The conversation is to run it back with the same group.

25:16

Oh gosh. You haven't even really even touched

25:18

on that either. We kind of have, we should

25:20

touch on it, I think. But you haven't

25:22

been able to. You've been gone, right? The last

25:24

few weeks when all that

25:25

discourse was kind of coming around. But

25:29

yeah, Toronto is, they're

25:31

in an interesting situation. We'll see what Tree

25:33

Living does. My guy, Tree.

25:35

Yeah, the final thing, sorry Chris, that perks my

25:37

ear when Bill said it.

25:39

I thought it was really interesting this morning that Paul

25:41

Maurice came out and said, maybe we were too physical

25:43

in game one and game two. Maybe

25:45

they were focusing too much on getting the hit, which I think is

25:47

easy to maybe fall into in the playoffs. And I remember

25:50

us having that same criticism. Yeah, Jake McCabe, same thing.

25:52

McCabe would find himself out of position a lot. Headhunting

25:54

for that, headhunting is the wrong term. Going big

25:56

game hunting for a big hit.

25:58

Yeah, yeah, 100%.

25:59

I felt this exact the

26:02

same thing popped into my mind. Yeah, I was talking about

26:04

that as well

26:05

All right on the other side We'll

26:07

kind of go around the league a little bit our Thursday three-pack

26:10

three big names to watch

26:12

on the summer Trademark it we'll

26:14

get to that next

26:16

This is leaf lunch on

26:18

TSN 1050 the Leafs

26:21

live here

26:27

Yeah

26:27

Whenever you get scared about anything

26:29

just do this just count to three and then do it

26:34

One two three

26:40

All right

26:42

A B welcome back leaves lunch

26:45

Julie cheering Mike to Stefano with ya

26:48

Let's see who's gonna be on the move this summer

26:50

a B because last summer There

26:52

was a couple big splashes made

26:54

When it comes to big trades and

26:57

yep big signings franchise

26:58

altering trades franchise

27:01

altering trades I guess

27:03

could your sign so it doesn't

27:05

quite count but Matthew Kachuk probably

27:07

the name especially

27:09

what with his

27:11

Performance and the Stanley Cup playoffs this

27:13

year is hot trot and how

27:16

could we blame the world? Also, I just saw something

27:18

hilarious online

27:19

Brady Kachuk's wedding. I believe this this summer.

27:22

Mm-hmm. His best man is Matthew Kachuk.

27:24

Mm-hmm. Also in the wedding party Do

27:26

you have any guesses? Probably

27:28

not Drew Doughty, but Mark

27:30

Stone Really? Yeah Mark

27:33

Stone. Yeah, he said live with Mark

27:35

Stone when they were before he got trade to Vegas,

27:38

right? Well, yeah, no Vegas

27:40

would have been maybe no, they

27:42

just started in the league I think they did play together

27:45

Maybe his rookie season maybe

27:47

and then he got traded to didn't they

27:49

do it didn't Mark Stone and

27:52

Brady Kachuk and his wife go as Halladega

27:54

Knights for Halloween

27:56

I feel like I'm remembering this baby.

27:58

That's when I

27:59

was you thing. That is

28:01

definitely more Zoya or

28:03

and now that costume is kind of overdone but

28:05

at the time it was very hilarious yeah random did

28:07

that together and I think that they were roommates but

28:09

anyways pretty good checks and something like I wasn't expecting

28:12

that matchup it's probably gonna be kind of awkward hopefully

28:14

no fights at the wedding but

28:18

now I'm

28:18

just gonna chirp and be like hey thanks for that assist

28:20

on game one of the cup final yeah he's

28:23

gonna be full of chirps but

28:25

no no kachuk brothers on the market

28:27

that's the summer tragically I wish there were

28:29

like six of them

28:31

nice saying that there's only two a lot of

28:33

teams are here tearing the sister reps it up pretty

28:35

good in field hockey yeah yeah nice

28:38

um

28:39

so who will these characters be this summer

28:41

okay on the market

28:42

so

28:43

the Thursday three-pack today's three big names

28:46

to watch on the summer trade market drag it was actually

28:48

on overdrive yesterday stemming off of the

28:50

big three-way deal that we saw a pro Rov get

28:52

moved from Philly and ends up in

28:54

Columbus little pit stop quick to retain

28:57

some salary through LA as well

28:59

and so Dreger stemming

29:01

off of that trade says apparently

29:03

that the market is really heating up

29:05

here's what he had to say on OD yesterday and

29:08

then I was I was reminded of this

29:10

yesterday by GM who said

29:13

that okay leading up to that three-way

29:15

trade with the Flyers the Kings

29:18

and the Columbus Blue Jackets there was

29:20

a ton of activity trade wise there was hope

29:22

among general managers that the cap was going to

29:25

go above the one million dollar flat

29:27

increase well they don't think it's going

29:29

to be in Batman doubled out again that is down

29:31

a cup availability and said it's not happening

29:34

so these guys are getting super

29:36

creative they are in in making

29:39

quote-unquote hockey deals

29:42

hmm so it appears that the markets

29:44

heating up a

29:45

little bit and then on insider trading yesterday

29:48

they followed up that conversation with

29:50

a couple of names that

29:53

that could be on the move and that's kind of the the

29:55

thesis of our Thursday three

29:57

packs so let's start let's start at

29:59

number

29:59

number three here as we talk about someone

30:02

who could be on the move is a rather big name

30:04

and would make would make waves in the hockey

30:06

world.

30:07

Yeah, I don't he'd make waves in

30:09

the hockey world. The name is definitely a spicy

30:11

one based on where he was projected to go in his career.

30:13

And we touched on this guy yesterday based all the rumors

30:16

on all the rumors that came out Tuesday night. It's

30:18

kind of hot.

30:19

The Philadelphia Flyers who are in kind of

30:21

fire sale mode and Carter

30:23

Hart hasn't been the I

30:25

don't know that he was expected to come to league

30:27

and just stop everything. And he was put

30:29

into an unideal situation

30:32

probably. But

30:34

he could be on the move this summer and for some

30:36

team out there some team that's

30:38

really good at

30:39

rehabilitating goalies and players

30:41

and such maybe he could be an excellent

30:43

not Toronto. I don't think it's going to be a Toronto.

30:45

I don't think like I don't think Toronto is the

30:47

team. I think they probably have someone telling

30:49

us about it right now. I know it's kind of attractive but

30:52

I don't think he's a major. We talked about this yesterday.

30:54

The ceiling is probably higher than Ilya

30:56

Samsonovs but I feel more comfortable. Ilya

30:58

Samsonov on a night to night basis.

31:00

What about Joseph Wall? Whose ceiling is higher?

31:03

Joseph Wall or? I don't know

31:05

what Joseph Wall's ceiling looks like. Yeah.

31:07

We got it. We were just told Carter Hart's ceiling

31:09

was so gosh darn high that it's hard to compare

31:12

him to a guy in the Leafs. Because he

31:13

hasn't reached it yet. Yeah. And

31:16

he's 25 now. It's like yeah. What are they the same age? Not

31:18

that time it's ticking. Yeah,

31:19

they're about the same age. Yeah, Carter

31:21

Hart and Joe Wall and

31:24

Samsonov. They're all in that same

31:27

age range of like 24, 25 years old. Yeah.

31:30

They're the

31:31

exact same age. They're both 98 born

31:33

guys, Joseph Wall and Carter Hart. I think Samsonovs might

31:36

be 96 or 97. But anyways, all

31:38

very

31:39

similar when it comes to age. Who

31:42

do you think has the edge in that group?

31:45

Between those three? Probably Carter Hart I would

31:47

say has definitely the higher ceiling. But

31:49

I was having a conversation with Festchuk

31:51

and

31:52

DJ last week and they seem

31:54

to be very high on Joseph Wall. Mike McKenna

31:56

also really high on Joseph Wall. He loves that guy. We

31:58

chatted with him.

31:59

got some bias but he threw out the name like

32:02

career trajectory of Jake Audinger

32:04

and it's like oh wow that guy turned out to

32:06

be pretty good gold tender and you

32:09

do like what Joseph Wall gave you but obviously

32:12

he's a guy who has only played 15 games

32:14

of NHL hockey small

32:16

sample size is is underselling

32:19

it but we'll see what ends up happening either way

32:22

to go back to our list

32:23

Carter Hart is definitely a name I think that

32:25

will be thrown around quite a lot

32:27

and there'll be significant interest there's a lot of teams

32:29

that need a gold tender and if the

32:32

league still believes that Carter Hart can be

32:34

a guy who can be a number one

32:36

goalie on a good team there'll be significant

32:38

interest there I'm thinking Buffalo would

32:41

be a team the Ottawa Senators

32:43

could be a team that'd be interested there maybe

32:46

Detroit could potentially have some

32:48

interest Columbus maybe yeah like

32:51

could that be a situation they want

32:53

to go down if they're trying to take that next step they're

32:55

gonna need a goalie I don't have to sold them as leacons

32:58

but he hasn't played well in the last couple of years

33:00

maybe they go after a goaltender after landing Provenor

33:03

you know so

33:04

we'll see the the report was

33:06

that there's been some trade talks they're listening

33:08

they're engaged you know around the league of what's

33:10

going on with Carter Hart

33:12

I would envision him being in a different sweater

33:14

come the start of next season yeah

33:16

another guy another guy on our list who reportedly

33:19

Pierre Lebron was talking about this actually on on

33:23

overdraft or on insider trading

33:25

let's see what he had to say about Alex

33:27

to bring it

33:29

Alex to bring Ken's camp led by agent

33:31

Jeff Jackson has submitted

33:33

a list of preferred destinations teams

33:35

that his client would be interested

33:37

in joining and the reason that's significant

33:40

is of course if pure Doryo does trade

33:42

Alex to bring cat he

33:44

would want him to be signed through

33:46

this trade so he gets maximum value back

33:49

in return think of Matthew Kentucky field

33:51

from Calgary to Florida last year so don't

33:53

know who exactly is that not on that list

33:55

but that list has been submitted

33:57

very interesting a B and not

33:59

I knew you kind of saw it coming based on

34:02

the year, but I thought Alex Brinkett and the Stens

34:04

were kind of a little match made in heaven.

34:06

It kind of escapes me. You know, he's one of those,

34:09

one of the American guys that play in the OHL. Sometimes

34:11

it gives me a brain fart the fact that he's American.

34:13

Right. I thought that that

34:15

was a match made in heaven, but I guess not. I mean,

34:18

in theory, on paper it is.

34:20

But when you think about it,

34:23

there's not a lot of guys that want to be in Ottawa

34:25

long term. You think about the

34:27

situation with the ownership dragging on, you

34:30

don't know what's going to happen

34:31

there. So weird. I can't believe, by

34:33

the way, I remember the day that I left there was a report

34:35

that the Ottawa Senators ownership

34:37

saga was in the final, full

34:40

court press. Everybody, we're going to know by

34:42

Monday. Here we are. You and Aith,

34:44

that's a mess. It's still Ottawa.

34:46

Yeah, exactly. So why would you want to stay

34:48

there? Everything turns into a mess. Do

34:51

you really want to stick around in Ottawa long

34:53

term? And it doesn't sound like Debrinkett

34:55

wants to do that. Plus you look at the

34:57

structure of what they kind of have in place

34:59

in Ottawa. Like I don't know if

35:01

they really have

35:03

enough, not that they don't have enough money, but

35:05

they've got 8 million committed to Thomas

35:07

Shabbat. They've got 8.2 committed

35:10

to Kachuk, 8.3 committed to Stutzla.

35:12

They've got six and a half committed to Claude

35:14

Giroux for the next couple of years. They've

35:16

got 7.9 committed to Josh Norris.

35:19

Like how many more guys can they

35:21

really invest in and

35:24

give up another massive

35:27

chunk of the cap too? They're probably

35:29

looking to see if he's willing to come in around

35:32

that 8 million range where

35:34

these guys are at. And I'm thinking Debrinkett

35:36

says, I'm a multi-time 40

35:39

goal score. I'm looking

35:41

to get into the 9-10 range and I don't

35:43

know if they're willing to go that far. So if that's the case,

35:46

he wants to go somewhere. He

35:48

has now submitted a list and I think there's going to

35:50

be a lot of teams that would be lined up to take in

35:52

an ounce to break it. And this

35:54

would be very much in that Kachuk

35:56

realm where he was going into his final

35:58

season as an RFA.

35:59

And it's a chance to maybe get

36:02

a sign and trade dealt with where it's hey Where

36:04

do you want to go and then all of a sudden that

36:06

allows Ottawa to go and try and? Try

36:09

and negotiate with those teams to

36:11

try and get the best deal for their squad

36:13

Yeah,

36:14

be interesting to see because to your point I think

36:16

he'd be he'd be a really good fit

36:18

in a lot of places And he's such a sweet spot of

36:20

an age at 25. I'm

36:21

gonna make a prediction now I'm gonna toss

36:24

one out there that I think would be a great spot for him.

36:26

Okay

36:28

Carolina ooh Carolina

36:30

be a really good spot about him and who would

36:32

go the

36:33

I just think they need they need a goal

36:35

scorer They need goals like once

36:38

fetchnikov got hurt There wasn't really that

36:40

impact goal scorer like if they could bring

36:42

in a guy like Alex to bring it that could

36:45

That could certainly do some things for that that

36:47

franchise.

36:48

Yeah, you got 40 year before in

36:50

Chicago only 27 this season But

36:53

I guess it was a little bit of an up-and-down Yeah,

36:56

but he's like I would consider him a 40 he scored 40

36:58

twice in the league

36:59

I use a 40 goal scorer

37:00

you down it twice you get to be a 40 goal scorer

37:03

That's fair enough, and that yeah, so three

37:05

years with with only 50 or 70

37:07

games played as a result of Covid

37:10

anyways moving on

37:11

This one's interesting and there's a lot

37:13

to unpack here because We assume

37:16

maybe that the Winnipeg Jets are going to be looking

37:18

to change the complexion of their team a little bit Based

37:20

on God was that ever dramatic of all the dramatic

37:23

things that have happened since then The Winnipeg

37:25

Jets exit from the playoffs

37:27

and subsequent eye rolling clearly

37:30

beef happening Between

37:32

Rick bonus and some of the players and Rick bonus

37:34

such a good guy and he knows the game Well, if he if

37:37

he walks into a locker room and smells something stinky.

37:39

There's probably something stinky and if Paul Maurice like

37:42

It smells a lot to get him that he passed out of

37:44

bags and was like I'm out of here I'm going fishing forever

37:46

didn't think he was gonna be back in the league right away and coaching

37:49

in a Stanley Cup final

37:50

clearly something stinks in the court

37:52

needs to be

37:54

Dismantled in yes, there's there's

37:56

there's issues. Yeah, and

37:58

when a peg deeply rooted and

38:00

Pierre-Luc Du Bois right at the top of the list. And

38:03

Pierre-Luc Du Bois is in the same

38:05

position that Alex Debrinkett was

38:07

in and that Matt Kachuk was in last year, where

38:09

he came out and said, I do not plan on signing

38:12

in Columbus or in Winnipeg long term,

38:15

I would like to be traded elsewhere. Yeah.

38:18

So Pierre-Luc Du Bois is a name that for sure

38:21

is another one to watch on the summer trade market. He's probably

38:23

at the top of the list of guys that would

38:26

be wanted by many teams around the

38:28

NHL. You talk about a big number one goal

38:31

scoring center.

38:32

Is it just slam dunk he's going to Montreal or

38:34

he's not going to commit long term? I don't know if it's

38:36

a slam dunk. Like

38:38

if he's,

38:39

is it smart, I

38:41

guess, for them to go and make that move now?

38:43

Like if he's eventually going to go to Montreal, I guess it would

38:45

depend on what it would cost to bring him in. Because

38:48

if he's going to go to Montreal, why don't you give up an asset?

38:50

If he's just going to go sign with you a year from now anyway.

38:52

I guess you could make the argument that if

38:55

you let him go elsewhere and he negotiates

38:57

a contract, an extension, now all of a sudden you've

38:59

missed out on Du Bois. But

39:02

yeah, I think it would, I guess it would make sense for Montreal

39:04

to engage in talks and try and

39:06

I guess expedite that rebuild in a way and

39:08

bring in a PLD to be their

39:10

top centerman.

39:11

Yeah. It would make some sense actually.

39:13

You know what could expedite a rebuild, having a

39:15

goalie who can occasionally stop everything.

39:17

Yeah, another name, another name to watch

39:19

here on the summer trade market is Connor Hellabuck. Yep.

39:22

Ottawa would be an interesting

39:24

fit there as well.

39:25

Buffalo, an interesting fit there as well. Not

39:27

the same names that we talked about for Carter Hart

39:30

would

39:31

just give up a lot

39:34

to bring in a Connor Hellabuck. In

39:36

similar situation as Matthews, like

39:38

he's going into his final year of his contract. And

39:40

if you can also somehow negotiate some sort

39:42

of signing trade, get an extension in place

39:44

before you do the deal and

39:47

you end up trading for multiple

39:49

years of Hellabuck, you short up that goaltending

39:52

position to probably give up a

39:54

lot to do that, a lot.

39:57

So that is definitely a name to

39:59

keep an eye on. on the trade market for sure.

40:01

There's a lot of names in Winnipeg. Mark

40:04

Shifley's another one that I think will

40:06

have his name circulating out there potentially on

40:09

the trade block.

40:09

Do you think any of the stench will follow him from

40:12

what's transpired in that room? I guess

40:15

that's totally a fair question to ask. I don't know. What's

40:17

happened in that room? Is it the mix? That's not right.

40:19

We don't know. Exactly. It

40:21

just feels like the mix is in it. I can't answer that question. I'd say

40:23

no. A fresh start helps a

40:25

lot of people.

40:28

Has the Evander Kane stench followed him to

40:30

Edmonton? Seems like they like him

40:31

there. Yeah, it was silly at first, but it

40:33

worked out.

40:33

Yeah, that seems to have worked, right?

40:36

Jack Eichel talked about there's a bit of a stench

40:38

on Eichel maybe, and now he's in Vegas. Seems

40:40

like they like him there. I think it's just a situation.

40:43

He's in a tough situation, so it makes it tough

40:45

for him to be in the right spirits

40:48

perhaps. But if he ends up somewhere where he's

40:50

happy to be there,

40:52

I'm sure that would

40:54

make him more of a joy to be around as well.

40:56

A joy to be around. I was swearing a few

40:58

miles. I love his two dogs too. They're matching.

41:01

They're kind of orange looking. They're great. Gifley?

41:04

Dog dad? Yeah, we'll look him up on Instagram in the break. Nice,

41:06

nice. Any other names you

41:09

think could be out on the trade market? I was reading somewhere

41:11

that Jamie Ben could be a name potentially.

41:14

Really? Well, just because of the contract.

41:16

Yeah. More of a cap dump in a way. Especially

41:18

after this year. Seems a little crazy.

41:21

He was pretty good in the postseason. Nah.

41:24

I don't know. He makes so much money. So

41:26

much money. He's like a third liner for them at this point.

41:29

Like him and Tyler say again, I have to be two of

41:31

the

41:31

biggest Albatross contracts out

41:33

there

41:34

for the very little production that they get out

41:36

of those guys. It's true. So I wonder if

41:38

that's a road

41:40

that they would like to go down to try and create some cap

41:43

space to sign some of these newer younger players

41:45

going forward. And is there a Leafs

41:48

road that you wanted to go down here? Well, I mean,

41:50

the core four

41:50

is obviously the big question if

41:53

whether or not those guys will also

41:54

be on the top. The top of the list, if

41:56

that's a thing, Mitch Marner jumps the top of the list, if

41:58

that's a thing and all these things.

41:59

It all seemed to be on the table. But is it a thing? It

42:02

all seemed to be on the table. And now it suddenly seems

42:04

like GM change is... sufficing?

42:06

It's a little

42:07

less likely, I would say. I still don't know if it's completely

42:10

like, we're not going to see a change in the core four,

42:12

but it appears based off

42:14

of what we've heard so far through the words

42:16

of Shanahan, through the words of Tree Living, that

42:19

they like the talent, they like the

42:21

group. Maybe they don't make a big

42:23

change and they could return with,

42:25

you know, and run it back with these guys. But

42:28

for certainty, they are still names

42:30

to watch throughout the summer on the trade

42:33

market. Because if William Nylander

42:35

says, I want 10 million a year on an

42:37

extension, I

42:38

mean Brad Chilliving is going to sit there and say, okay,

42:41

probably not going to make that work. We're going to have

42:43

to trade you this summer. You can't let

42:45

Willie walk. No. Like he's someone

42:47

who hurts.

42:48

Matthews, it would be, okay, let's take

42:50

a break. Let's come back. Maybe get

42:52

into this on the other side. And maybe this

42:54

is maybe something we can get into for a burning question

42:56

tomorrow also, because it is a bit of a tricky,

42:59

tricky conversation to have. So we'll

43:02

come back in a moment. I'm Mike DeStefano with

43:04

Julia to share some leaf slunch here on TSN 1050.

43:06

Welcome back. Leaf slunch on TSN 1050. We,

43:10

you know, as per usual, we have a couple

43:12

minutes to unpack hefty situations. And maybe

43:14

this will be a little precursor

43:16

to our burning question tomorrow, AB, but we started

43:18

to get into, well,

43:20

we were led there by

43:22

the fact that we were talking about potential big names.

43:25

We might see on the trade market this summer. And

43:27

of course that led us to, well, any of those big

43:29

names be Leafs, Toronto Maple

43:32

Leafs. And it

43:33

kind of sounds like it sounded like everything was on

43:35

the table when Carl Dubis was still in place.

43:37

And then that press conference, that fateful press conference

43:40

happens. He's out tree,

43:43

AB's close, personal friend. A boy

43:45

tree. Your boy tree is in. And

43:47

suddenly it sounds a little bit less likely that it's

43:50

going to be open season in Toronto. However, that doesn't

43:52

mean that one of these, one

43:54

of probably Nylander,

43:57

probably Nylander

43:58

or Auston Matthews, the

43:59

I can't agree on a number, though I can't think of a number that they

44:02

wouldn't be able to agree on with Austin Matthews because you

44:04

kind of just got to pay that guy. And

44:07

he ends up on the trade market as a result of not

44:09

being able to make a deal work. So where'd

44:12

you want to go with that? Well, I

44:14

don't know, like my mind was kind of going in a bunch of different

44:16

directions. And again, this probably

44:18

maybe will be tomorrow's burning question because

44:21

it's something that I think

44:22

will take a little bit more than the minute

44:24

and a half we have to speak here. But

44:27

if you're thinking about it, who would you

44:29

be more willing to gamble

44:31

on going into next year as

44:35

a UFA, pending UFA?

44:36

Well,

44:37

the obvious answer is Austin

44:40

Matthews.

44:40

Less willing to gamble on him. If you let Austin

44:42

Matthews walk as a free agent

44:44

next year,

44:46

like how bad is that gonna look

44:48

compared to Willie? Compared to Willie.

44:52

So if you say the obvious answer is Austin Matthews,

44:54

but wouldn't it look worse

44:57

to let him walk over Willie? Yeah, you're

44:59

right, you're right. And especially, I think we

45:01

also, Austin Matthews is a superstar

45:03

and he's on a different level and we've all kind

45:05

of agreed upon that. But

45:07

Willie's the guy that comes through in the postseason

45:09

every single year.

45:11

I think that has to be considered when having this conversation

45:14

too. That if we're talking about postseason performers,

45:16

of the four of the players that take

45:19

up 50%

45:19

of the cap, William Nylander

45:22

has been the most productive in the postseason. And Morgan

45:24

Rielly was kind of the forgotten member

45:26

of the core, was awesome in the playoffs too, specifically

45:28

in the first round. Yes. So,

45:32

where does that lead us? Well, I mean,

45:34

that's- Freeze problem.

45:36

That's exactly, that's what he needs to

45:38

do over the next little bit is figure out exactly

45:40

what he's gonna do with this core four. And

45:43

it's his problem to discuss. We can

45:45

get more into this tomorrow. We can kind of break

45:47

it down. Write that down, producer Josh. We'll

45:49

have that as our burning question tomorrow.

45:52

Good show today. Lots of fun. Thank you everyone

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