LEARN had the privilege of talking with Brian Silverman and Artemis Papert recently, about programming in our Quebec schools. Being the first episode of this school year, I wanted to have a casual conversation about how education is shifting more and more towards computation and programming/coding. Brain and Artemis have been exploring computers in education for the better part of their lives, developing and supporting programming from Logo to Scratch, always with the idea that more programming in schools only makes students lives more relevant. Their beliefs are entrenched in project-based learning with code as just another tool for demonstrating ideas, concepts, learning, and that it is crucial for our learners to develop computation as a necessary skill. Fascinating conversation with many thoughts to ponder and process!