I throughly enjoyed talking with one of my mentors, author, educator, maker, programmer, musician Gary Stager. I have been following Gary for well over two decades, so it is such a treat to talk with him again and be able to ask him anything. We chatted about tennis, music, integration of technology, his early memories of programming logo. Plus all the amazing educators he brings to his summer conference Constructing Modern Knowledge, webinars he's hosted, and the abundance of workshops he has brought to the world. If you are looking for some life changing professional development over the summer and a wail of a good time go to CMK 2023. It will inspire change in your practice regardless of the age or subject you teach. CMK 2023 https://constructingmodernknowledge.com Gary's publishing house https://cmkpress.com Gary's Blog https://stager.tv