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and lawyer John Eastman has been
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indicted twice for criminal charges. Why
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is he still representing clients? Why
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is he still allowed to represent
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clients As a lawyer? That's something
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that a judge in California would
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like to know as well, because
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Judge Eve that Roland has already
1:45
determined that he johnny's been should
1:47
be disbarred for ethical violations and
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the threat he poses to the
1:52
public and. The fact that he
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has refused to accept responsibility and doesn't
1:56
think he did anything wrong in trying
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to overthrow democracy. bring
2:01
false allegations of voter
2:03
fraud in an effort to keep
2:05
Donald Trump into power. Well,
2:07
prosecutors and grand jurors don't feel the
2:10
same way about John Eastman because in
2:12
Arizona, by way of the Attorney General
2:14
and the fake electors, and
2:16
in Georgia, by way of the Fulton County
2:19
District Attorney and the grand
2:21
juries there, they've indicted John Eastman
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because they find they found, as
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did a central district California
2:27
judge almost two years ago, found that
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it was more likely than not that
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he committed a crime or fraud along
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with Donald Trump, who also committed a
2:36
crime or fraud to keep Donald Trump in
2:38
power. John Eastman along
2:40
with Ken Chesper along with
2:42
Mike Roman along with Peter
2:44
Navarro devised and
2:47
implemented along with Boris Epstein, the
2:49
lawyer for Donald Trump, another lawyer
2:51
for Donald Trump, devised and implemented
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the fake electors scheme to
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create fake electors certificates. No, to
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hold fake electors meetings and then
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create certificates where they sign to
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the bottom of each receipt in
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seven battleground states and then through
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Mike Roman trying to deliver them
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to Mike Pence to stop the
3:11
certification of the election on the
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6th of January. That's
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how we got here. John Eastman,
3:18
that half-wit constitutional scholar who practiced
3:20
law and was a professor somewhere
3:22
in California at a law school,
3:24
if you can believe it, has
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been hung out to drive by Donald
3:30
Trump who didn't appear at and tried
3:32
didn't intervene in John Eastman's case when
3:34
the Jan 6th Committee brought a subpoena
3:37
against John Eastman and he tried to
3:39
refuse to turn over emails and documents
3:41
under some sort of cover of attorney-client
3:43
privilege which was stripped away from him
3:46
because of the crime fraud exception as
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developed as determined by the California judge.
3:51
Same thing here. So why is he practicing
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law? He told
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the judge, Judge Roland, who
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found that, found probable cause...
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to that he violated various ethics rules
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in California. And I'll read to you
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from the order that she just did.
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She did that over a month ago
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after a full evidentiary hearing in which
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John Eastman testified, brought in expert witnesses
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and tried to argue he
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was just doing what attorneys do,
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right? All attorneys try
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to overthrow democracy, bring scurrilous
4:22
and false statements of
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voter fraud and attack people for committing
4:26
voter fraud when it was all untrue.
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They all do that. They all create fake electors.
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And the problem that Judge Roland has is the
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problem that I have. Why is he
4:35
still practicing law? So his argument
4:37
is I have to still practice law.
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I have clients. Who are his clients?
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Marjorie Taylor Greene, of course. Matt Gaetz,
4:44
of course. They're being sued or
4:46
they're suing in a case in California because they
4:48
were denied a political rally in a place where
4:50
they weren't supposed to be holding political rallies. He
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represents a high school student who wants to
4:55
fly some sort of crazy Confederate or otherwise
4:58
flag. He represents other
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MAGA people. He says
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that's the primary source of his income.
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And the judge says, exactly. You're proving
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my point. You are a menace
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and a threat to the public and
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you have an accepted responsibility. So even
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if I could remediate
5:16
the harm to you while
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you're appealing my recommendation that
5:21
you be disbarred, which creates
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an automatic suspension in California
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under the California bar, I wouldn't do
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it. I wouldn't do
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it because I don't want you practicing
5:33
law right now. This is like a
5:35
defective product that's out in the stream
5:37
of commerce that's cutting off arms
5:40
and legs. And the
5:42
product says to the judge, while
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I'm appealing, I want to still be out
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there cutting off arms and legs. The judge
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says, no. That's the
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point. You're defective. You're a defective lawyer. And
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until you get help, you get
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remediation, you're compelled by the bar
5:58
to go through through additional
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training and ethics training and you sit
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out for a number of years, maybe
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up to five years. I'm
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not letting you continue to apply your trade
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and take and it doesn't matter. The judge's
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point is it doesn't matter if it's MAGA
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right wing that want to hire you. You
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shouldn't be practicing law. That's the point.
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That's why we have an automatic suspension
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once there is a recommendation of disbarment
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because now the burden shifts. It's
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now on the lawyer
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who's now already been a judge to be a threat.
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The judge made clear in her order, I didn't
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say that you are victimizing
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clients per se. Your
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ethics rules are about your failure to
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abide by professional ethics and responsibility
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creating a danger to the public
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and you're continuing to demonstrate the
6:53
danger by the very request that
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I let you represent clients. It
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seems circular, seems like a tautology
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but it's not. Let me read
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this episode. So it's an
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administrative judge. There's
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a state bar court of California
8:55
that deals with these types of
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things. In the matter of John
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Charles Eastman, order denying respondents motion
9:02
to stay in active enrollment to
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stay in active enrollment, meaning let
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me stay enrolled on the bar
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of California to practice or for
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an interim remedy. So
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it says here that the
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state bar shall order
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the involuntary inactive enrollment of an
9:20
attorney. That means suspended upon the
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filing of a recommendation of disbarment
9:25
after hearing or default. That's on
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page one of the order. Consequently,
9:30
an active enrollment, meaning
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suspension, is mandatory in
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California under the California
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Business and Professions Code.
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John Eastman on page two, this is the
9:41
judge, argues that the
9:43
court has the authority to delay temporarily
9:46
the effective date of the licensee's disciplinary
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suspension upon a showing of good cause.
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And the judge says that's the point.
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You haven't showed me good cause that
9:55
you're no longer a threat. The
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judge says at the bottom of page two, the The
10:00
court made no finding that
10:02
Eastman's ethical violations resulted in
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client arm. Instead, the court
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found that disbarment was the
10:08
appropriate sanction for Eastman's misconduct,
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in part to safeguard the public.
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The court's decision, the
10:15
judge continues, determined that Eastman
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made deceptive and misleading claims
10:19
in legal documents, public forums,
10:21
and other contexts concerning the
10:24
2020 presidential election and the extent
10:27
of Vice President Michael Pence's authority
10:29
to override the electoral process. In
10:32
other words, John Eastman took the
10:34
position, told Donald Trump that, and
10:36
told others that that
10:38
Michael Pence had the authority
10:40
as the Vice President to
10:42
override the certificates in front
10:44
of him and not
10:47
declare the election for Joe Biden, which
10:49
was false. He's had Judge Ludwig Aannier,
10:51
who is a constitutional scholar of the
10:53
first order, who said and
10:56
told Mike Pence that at the time
10:58
as his counsel that that is BS,
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that that can't be done. That's not the
11:03
powers of the Vice President. And
11:05
Eastman, even in his text messages and emails, which have
11:07
been revealed by the Chan Six Committee and are in
11:09
the hands of all the prosecutors, he knew, he
11:12
knew that there was no support for this. He
11:14
said if that went up to the Supreme Court,
11:16
his legal position, it would lose 9-0 or maybe
11:18
8-1. And
11:22
the judge knows all of this in her record
11:25
that she's developed in his
11:27
suspension or bar recommendation or
11:29
bar a disbarment recommendation. So
11:32
what the judge says in the bottom of
11:34
page two is despite his client's desire for
11:37
Eastman to continue representing that Marjorie Taylor
11:40
Greene, Matt Gaetz and others, based on
11:42
the gravity of Eastman's transgressions as a
11:44
lawyer, particularly those involving
11:47
moral turpitude, right?
11:51
That's lying. That's doing things
11:53
that are immoral as it relates to your
11:55
law license and the increased likelihood
11:57
of future misconduct due to his... to
12:00
acknowledge any wrongdoing. In other words, he's
12:02
a defective product. He's an effective
12:05
lawyer that shouldn't be taking on clients even once
12:07
they were gullible enough or are
12:09
MAGA enough to hire him. There
12:11
is insufficient evidence, the judge says, the top
12:13
of page 3, to justify
12:15
a stay of his suspension.
12:18
And and
12:20
therefore the court's conclusion that Eastman failed
12:22
to show that he poses no significant
12:24
threat to the public precludes the imposition
12:26
of interim remedies. The judge was kind
12:29
to him. She could have also said
12:31
he's been indicted by a
12:33
grand jury in Georgia, indicted by
12:35
a grand jury in Arizona. He's
12:38
the unindicted co-conspirator, one of
12:40
six in Jack Smith's special
12:43
counsel election interference case against Donald
12:46
Trump. This guy
12:48
needs to be sidelined. California
12:50
bars step up, disbar
12:52
him, make him take whatever
12:55
retraining, you know, send him
12:57
back to the, you know,
12:59
to the Westworld warehouse for
13:01
reprogramming before he comes back
13:03
out to represent any clients.
13:05
MAGA, conservative, liberal, independent, blue-green,
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or whatever, you know,
13:09
until I'm speaking as a fellow bar
13:11
member, not in California, but in two
13:13
other bars, sideline him and
13:15
do it quickly as I start at the
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odd take. Why does John Eastman have clients?
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that's the question that the judge Roland would
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