0:18

on october sixteenth nineteen

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thirty seven author laura

0:22

ingalls wilder gave a speech at

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a book fair in detroit

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it was a month before the publication of

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her fourth book for children she

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talked about part of her childhood in law

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bed county kansas specifically

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she spoke of an incident that happened when

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she was little

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the incident most definitely did not make

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it into her books about her family's

0:43

little house on the prairie she

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said in eighteen seventy three

0:48

the angles family lived in independence

0:50

kansas one

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night a neighbor road up to

0:54

her family's log cabin her

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neighbor and her father called paw

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spoke in a hushed and hurried tones

1:02

then power took his rifle down

1:04

from its place above the door he

1:06

told my engels that there was a problem

1:08

in the nearby town of cherry veil he

1:11

and the neighbor we're going to ride out there and

1:13

join a vigilante group

1:15

they were on the hunt for a family of

1:17

killers named bender the

1:20

benders we're a family of four

1:22

they'd move to cherry veil in eighteen seventy

1:25

they owned and in and a store on

1:27

a well traveled trail and

1:29

they'd killed at least eleven people may

1:32

as many as twenty

1:34

the day before paw ingles wrote out

1:36

a group of men had made a sickening discovery

1:39

on the bender property they

1:41

found bodies buried in the family's

1:43

apple orchard they found a seller

1:45

under the family cabin that seem to have

1:47

a gruesome purpose the

1:49

victims in the shallow graves had

1:52

suffered extreme levels of blunt

1:54

force trauma before a knife

1:56

was employed oddly

1:58

enough they may have been the lucky one

2:00

one victim the youngest seem

2:03

to have suffered a worse fate as

2:05

the scope of the bender family crimes was

2:07

uncovered they were linked to several

2:09

more victims who had been found on other properties

2:13

it was quite a story to tell what a book festival

2:16

and as it turned out laura ingalls

2:19

wilder his memory was faulty or

2:21

see transposed some of the truth into

2:23

her own story to sell more books the

2:26

bender family was real their

2:28

ghastly crimes were definitely real

2:31

and they did live in southern chances in

2:33

the early eighties seventies but

2:36

the ingles family only lived on the kansas

2:38

prairie for two years they moved

2:40

back to wisconsin in eighteen seventy

2:43

one two years before

2:45

search parties tried to bring the benders

2:47

to justice in eighteen seventy three

2:50

so far engels never rode

2:52

with a posse to catch the benders a

2:54

lot of other men did there

2:56

was chaos and were bad county kansas

2:59

as people struggled to understand the strange

3:01

family violence

3:03

on the planes was an every fact of life

3:06

but not violence like this this

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was something different there were so

3:10

many unanswered questions and

3:13

many of them remain unanswered to

3:15

this day

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from black feral media this is legends

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of the old west i'm your host

3:30

chris swimmer and this season we're bringing

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you the disturbing stories of the donner party

3:35

and the bend or family a murderous

3:37

clan who were known as the bloody benders

3:40

says episode five the bloody

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benders for one of two

3:45

traveler beware

3:52

when

3:52

congress passed the kansas nebraska

3:54

act in eighteen fifty for it

3:56

spurred years of bloodshed before the

3:58

civil war broke out for

4:00

the first time settlers in new states

4:03

could choose whether or not they wanted their state

4:05

to support slavery almost

4:07

immediately guerrilla warfare erupted

4:10

between pro slavery and anti

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slavery factions in years of

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events they became known as bleeding chances

4:17

then in eighteen sixty one civil

4:19

war engulf the nation but

4:22

it didn't stop the business of the nation in

4:25

may of eighteen sixty two congress

4:27

passed the homestead act the

4:29

act allowed any citizen of the united states

4:32

who was over the age of twenty one and

4:34

ahead of a family to settle

4:36

on one hundred sixty acres of land

4:39

they just had to improve it and stay

4:41

on for five years and he was

4:43

there's at the time

4:45

the war prevented most people from taking

4:48

advantage of the new law but when

4:50

the civil war ended the nation

4:52

resumed it's obsession with westward

4:54

expansion railroads

4:56

opened up the great plains and the west

4:59

native american tribes were slowly

5:01

but steadily for stoned reservations

5:04

and in the process all the land

5:06

in kansas was opened for white

5:08

settlement the bend your family

5:10

was one of the first to take advantage

5:12

of the open land the

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benders arrived in labatt county

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in october of eighteen seventy they

5:22

came by way of the increasingly popular

5:24

osage trail which led down

5:27

through the southeast corner of the state the

5:29

county was sparsely populated though

5:32

the next county over montgomery county

5:34

had some decent size pans the

5:37

most well known was coffee ville which

5:39

would secure it's place in the history of the american

5:42

west twenty two years in the future

5:44

thanks to the dalton day as

5:47

the bender wagon rolled through the county

5:50

people notice that it looks peculiar with

5:52

it back wheels wider than the

5:54

front the people in the wagon

5:56

were definitely from some other part of the country

6:00

beside the wagon was a tiny mangy

6:02

dog that yeah and nipped at the horses

6:05

as most incoming settlers did in those days

6:08

the two people in the wagon made their

6:10

first stop at le bets trading post

6:13

the owners of the trading post were edward

6:16

on and rudolph brockman

6:18

they watched as two men got out of the wigan

6:21

hern and brockman thought the men were as peculiar

6:24

as their wagon the younger

6:26

appeared to be about twenty five years old

6:29

he was tall and slender with

6:31

auburn hair and a mustache he

6:33

could have been called good looking except for

6:36

the fact that his eyes were pinched slightly

6:38

too close together he

6:40

introduced himself to brockman as

6:42

john gap hard when

6:44

brockman heard the young man's german accent

6:47

he replied in his native german tone

6:50

the more they taught the more brockman

6:52

and earn thought gephardt might be

6:54

what was called in those days simple

6:56

or a half witted

6:58

he punctuated his sentences with a nervous

7:01

laugh at all the wrong times he

7:03

introduced the other man in the wagon as

7:06

john bender bender

7:08

seem to be about sixty years old his

7:10

arms were short and he didn't really speak

7:13

so much as grunt neither

7:15

of the newcomers mention how they were related

7:18

if at all both earn

7:20

and brockman felt in immediate

7:22

distrust of the streams travellers

7:24

the least that's what they told people later when

7:27

at this early meeting their shared

7:29

german heritage ease the way for

7:32

conversation gephardt

7:34

and bender asked where they could get some land

7:37

the next day on took the two men

7:39

to see some available tracks on the

7:41

wind swept prairie paul

7:43

bender as he came to be called

7:46

picked out one hundred sixty acres

7:48

he chose well the spot was just

7:50

inside the border of the bed county and

7:53

about eleven miles from the city of independence

7:55

kansas

7:56

he was a natural stuff for people riding

7:59

between fingerprint

7:59

in a catholic mission about

8:01

thirty five miles away called osage

8:04

mission which is now the town of st

8:06

paul kansas john

8:08

gephardt shows a piece of land that bordered

8:11

paul benders and they wasted no

8:13

time getting to work

8:18

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8:20

theaters on november twenty com see with a

8:22

marvel stories all began when you watch captain

8:24

marvel one division and from this

8:26

model only under he gets

8:29

his devices disney pixar marvel

8:31

star wars and national geographic

8:34

plan starting a seven ninety nine

8:39

by sundown gebhard and

8:41

bender were marking out the dimensions

8:43

of a cabin over the next

8:45

few days they built a rough stable

8:48

and or corral that part

8:50

of tutors was known for it's sandstone

8:52

so it wasn't don't usual the day purchased

8:55

a slab of it from a neighbor they

8:57

hold it back to the benders land and

9:00

dog a pit six feet deep they

9:02

dragged the slab down into the pit and

9:04

use the sandstone as a floor of

9:06

the whole they drag

9:09

the slab down into the pit and

9:11

use the sandstone as the floor of

9:13

the whole most people would

9:15

have thought the pit with the sandstone floor

9:17

was just a seller that would be used for storing

9:20

food which was common for pioneers

9:22

on the planes it would be

9:24

used for storage but not restoring

9:27

canned goods or dried fruits and

9:29

vegetables by christmas

9:31

the two men had finished a sixteen by

9:33

twenty four foot structure on the ground

9:36

above the cellar it was modest

9:38

but it was neat and symmetrical with

9:40

a nine foot high ceiling the

9:43

front door opened on to the trail which

9:45

ran in front of the house when

9:48

the outside of a building was finished they

9:50

divided the insight into two parts

9:52

with a canvas curtain it's

9:54

hard to imagine by today's standards but

9:57

it would serve many functions the

9:59

front was planned as a kitchen

10:01

a dining area and a general store

10:04

the back was planned is sleeping quarters

10:07

then they advertise themselves

10:09

as an in and grocery sometime

10:17

between christmas and the new year of eighteen

10:19

seventy one gebhardt and paul

10:22

bender left their new home for

10:24

the one hundred mile trip north to ottawa

10:26

kansas when they returned

10:29

they had to women in tow the

10:31

older of the to seem to be about fifty years

10:33

old she was heavy said and

10:35

war a scowl on her face she

10:38

was unfriendly and wouldn't say hello

10:40

to neighbors some thought her

10:42

first name might have been elvira

10:45

whatever was she appeared to be married

10:47

to paul bender so people quickly

10:49

began calling her small bender

10:52

the younger woman was a very different stores

10:55

her name was teeth she was about

10:57

twenty five and described as very

10:59

good looking she had dark

11:01

hair with auburn highlights she

11:04

was a fast talker and smiled a lot

11:06

which immediately attracted a lot of men in

11:08

town the problem was they

11:10

didn't know how to act on the attraction no

11:13

one really understood the relationship between

11:15

the for newcomers people

11:17

in the area collectively called them all

11:20

members of the bend your family but

11:22

were they really it seems

11:24

certain that more and teeth were

11:26

mother and daughter and the older

11:28

woman accompanied kate everywhere all

11:31

for spoke german and more

11:33

and paul seem to have known each other for a long

11:35

time which suggested they were husband

11:38

and wife or something close to it but

11:41

teeth and john gebhardt were a different matter

11:44

they presented themselves the townspeople as

11:46

brother and sister but while

11:48

some thought they looked a little allies others

11:51

didn't think they did it all john

11:53

and take could have been married with a didn't

11:55

seem likely either john

11:58

was awkward and standoffish but

12:00

he chatted with everyone she met the

12:03

bottom line was no one understood

12:05

the dynamic and none of the benders

12:08

seem to have explained it so

12:11

in the early spring of eighteen seventy one

12:13

the for people who would be known as the bender

12:15

family were established in the to room

12:18

cabin on pa benders land

12:21

tate and more bender spent the better

12:23

part of the spring planting an apple

12:25

orchard north of the cabin they

12:28

seem like they were trying to put down roots and

12:30

be part of the community because

12:32

of this seeming friendliness edward

12:34

on co owner of the labatt trading

12:37

post decided to have his fiance

12:39

and her mother stay with the benders

12:42

the two women were in route from germany

12:44

to join our and in a new life on the kansas

12:47

premise the experience

12:49

of the two women as a bender house was

12:51

the first real sign of trouble and

12:54

it only got worse from there like

13:02

so many other immigrants earns

13:04

fiance and mother in law sold

13:06

most of their belongings before leaving germany

13:09

they brought only their most prized possessions

13:12

and a lot of money they had

13:14

cashier's checks totaling about

13:16

three thousand two hundred dollars they

13:19

packed their precious jewelry and

13:21

some amount of money into a small metal

13:23

box and earned installed

13:26

them at the bend cabin one

13:28

warm spring day the benders

13:30

suggested the two women go with them on a

13:33

walk to see some of the property it

13:35

never occurred to the women to ask why john

13:37

gebhardt stay behind mall

13:40

and paul bender and kate steered

13:42

the women all around the outer vicinity

13:44

of their property and then beyond it

13:47

was flat so it was easy to walk

13:50

even still early in the walk more

13:53

bender bent over and started loudly

13:55

coughing and wheezing to

13:57

the to guests it seemed like a performance

14:00

as did pause concern for

14:03

he took a by the arm and they headed

14:05

back to the house t

14:07

don't the other hand didn't seem concerned about

14:09

her mother at all she ignored

14:11

mall bender altogether and asked

14:14

the women to help her look for indian artifacts

14:17

it was a popular pastime on the planes

14:20

native americans had only recently left

14:22

and their belongings and tools were

14:24

still scattered all over the place the

14:27

newcomers enjoyed the adventure and

14:29

collected a few items that they plan to

14:31

store in the metal box with their

14:33

jewelry and money but when

14:35

they got back to the cabin the box

14:38

was gone the

14:43

mother in law seriously confronted

14:45

kit she and her daughter thought

14:47

they now understood the purpose of the adventure

14:50

the benders had robbed them and they were

14:52

simply not enough people around the cabin

14:54

in general for there to be any other thief

14:57

they searched high and low for the box

15:00

and take made a good show of searching with them

15:02

but the metal box was gone the

15:05

two women stopped searching and started

15:07

packing there was no point in arguing

15:10

but they certainly didn't want to stay there anymore

15:13

but night was falling and they had no

15:15

means to get to ons household then

15:18

john gap hard suddenly appeared and

15:20

said it must have been forced thieves who stole

15:22

the box and he would take them to a

15:24

safer place he proud

15:27

of them to pile their belongings into is

15:29

why didn't they did figuring

15:31

he was gonna take them to owns homestead

15:34

they were all the more shot when he simply

15:36

dumped them at the homestead of a stranger with

15:38

no explanation the

15:41

next morning earn appeared at the bend

15:43

your cabin he was enraged

15:45

he had collected the women and heard

15:47

about the theft now he

15:50

pointed a revolver at kate and

15:52

then swung it toward paul bender he

15:54

demanded his fiance money tate

15:58

immediately put on an hour he

16:00

repeated the explanation it

16:02

must have been horse thieves who broke into the

16:04

cabin while they were walking unfortunately

16:08

for aren't he was outnumbered too

16:11

long haul wagon drivers had arrived

16:13

at the cabin before him and they were eating

16:15

a meal they pulled out their own

16:18

guns and forced earned to back

16:20

off from realized

16:22

he'd been foolish he should have gone

16:24

to the authorities before confronting

16:26

the benders and accusing them without

16:28

any proof angry

16:30

but defeated phone left

16:33

the following sunday take made sure

16:35

to tell everyone in church have died

16:37

she fell for his family earn

16:40

reported the event to the man who passed

16:42

for law and order in bed county his

16:45

name was leroy ditch and his position

16:47

was called township trustee he

16:50

was a kind of one man band who performed

16:53

all sorts of duties including whoa

16:55

enforcement he agreed

16:57

there was no evidence that the bender stole

16:59

the money and he couldn't rule out the

17:01

possibility of horse thieves but

17:04

leroy did find case behavior

17:06

strange as though she was over

17:08

compensating for something to

17:11

cover all his bases to notify

17:13

the german console in st louis

17:15

that the cashier's checks have been stolen then

17:18

he filed the event away in his memory

17:21

until another strange incident happened

17:23

two years later tate

17:26

and the bender clan had a whole new

17:28

racket the

17:35

two towns of decent sized that were

17:37

closest to the bender cabin or independence

17:40

and cherry veil the benders

17:42

little ways station on the trail in the area

17:45

was a barely presentable stopover

17:47

point beyond building

17:49

the cabin with it's canvas curtain

17:51

wall between the front room and the back

17:53

room and planting some apple trees

17:56

the benders didn't do much to make the place

17:58

feel homey they didn't start

18:01

many items for their little store and

18:03

they were terrible housekeepers people

18:06

who stayed there reported a constant

18:08

layer of grime and a worrying

18:10

of flies inside besides

18:13

the apple trees the family turned

18:15

over a lot of soil on their property but

18:17

they never really planted anything and

18:20

the play smelled bad seemingly

18:22

all the time the

18:24

pattern of strange behavior went to a

18:26

new level when kate bender took out

18:28

advertisements in the local newspaper the

18:30

claims she was a sealer she

18:33

could heal all sorts of diseases and

18:35

cure blindness and seizures

18:38

she was also a spiritualist referring

18:40

to the popular religious movement of the time

18:43

she claims she could communicate with the dead

18:46

and will be happy to do so for a price

18:49

if customers didn't have any money she

18:51

accepted valuable items as payment

18:54

in tate's capacity as a self proclaimed

18:57

doctor and spiritualist she

18:59

met julia hessler kate

19:05

met julia at church julia

19:08

had been suffering from some unnamed

19:10

ailment for a long time and hoped

19:13

to could help julia

19:15

had no money so she gave kate

19:17

her side saddle t

19:19

tried some sort of treatment to justify

19:22

the price of the saddle but unfortunately

19:25

the details about the treatment or lacking

19:27

as or the details about the ailment itself

19:30

weeks went by and julia didn't

19:32

see any improvement she

19:34

demanded that kate give her saddleback

19:37

and take her shirt her that she was simply

19:39

impatient then

19:42

take recommended the julia come spend

19:44

the night the bend your family

19:46

would conduct a and see

19:48

if that would help whatever the situation was

19:51

so a few nights later julia

19:54

took a stagecoach to the bender cabin

19:57

when she got there she was surprised

19:59

by the filthy the nation's kate

20:01

sat alone at the dining room table her

20:04

face was lit by tandem white and

20:06

she reassured julia the keeping

20:09

it's just the two of them nonbelievers

20:12

would not insect the sales she

20:14

also made sure that julia sat across

20:17

from her with her back to the canvas

20:19

curtain julia

20:21

was nauseated by the foul smell

20:23

in the cabin but she didn't want to offend

20:25

caped so she tried to ignore

20:27

it and to ignore the flies

20:29

buzzing around the women

20:32

close their eyes and clasped hands

20:35

paid began to speak gibberish eventually

20:38

julia couldn't help herself she

20:40

opened her eyes john

20:42

gephardt and ma and pa bender

20:44

stood behind tate in the halo

20:46

of kinda like they were all

20:49

staring at julia and julia

20:51

was instantly stared thinking

20:53

quickly julia leaned forward

20:56

and told tate that she had to go relief

20:58

herself take didn't respond

21:00

but simply stayed in her fake trance

21:03

carefully julius slipped out from behind

21:06

the table and move toward the door she

21:08

tried to smile and awkwardly exit

21:10

the cabin then a

21:12

glint of light called or i pod

21:15

bender had something sharp and metallic

21:17

in his hand when take me

21:20

to move toward julia julia dashed

21:22

out of the cabin as she ran

21:24

across the dark prairie a gunshot

21:26

mr instinct forced

21:28

her to drop to the ground and she heard a

21:30

rustling in the tall grass behind her

21:33

followed by another gunshot she

21:35

crawled on her hands and knees sneaking

21:38

a look back she saw a lamp coming

21:40

toward her in the darkness and she her

21:42

john gebhardt laughing she

21:44

knew she had no choice but to just run

21:46

as fast as she could at

21:49

dawn she made it to the cabin have

21:51

a neighbor who took her into safety

21:54

julia hustler told people she was

21:56

convinced the benders plan to to

21:59

some leader some didn't no

22:02

one else and been there to see what happened so

22:04

the matter was drunk or

22:07

julia wasn't the only one an

22:09

older woman had a similar experience

22:11

during an alleged seance at the bend or tate

22:14

screamed gibberish and then told

22:17

the woman the spirits were commanding her

22:19

to kill the old woman the woman

22:21

managed to get away leaving her

22:23

valuable shaw behind she

22:26

was thought of as an eccentric so no

22:28

one believed her story of being in danger

22:31

and then the stories got lost in the course of expanding

22:33

settlements on the prairie new

22:35

people move to the area new buildings

22:37

went up local governments reform

22:40

and elections were held in the beginning

22:42

of eighteen seventy two brought

22:45

one of the worst blizzards in recent memory

22:48

stories of strange experiences

22:50

during attempts to contact the dead are

22:52

overshadowed by bigger things until

22:56

the dead body started turning up sources

23:02

differ on exactly how many corpses

23:05

turned up in and around love bed county

23:07

in a team seventy two and exactly

23:09

what year they were killed but

23:11

several say that the bodies of two men

23:14

emerged during the spring thaw in

23:16

one horrible instance a party

23:18

of relic hunters who were looking for native american

23:21

artifacts came upon a camp site

23:23

that had been ransacked by wild animals

23:26

that were scavenging for food in

23:28

the mess the group noticed would

23:30

seem to be human body parts

23:33

when they lifted a pile of hey there

23:35

was what appeared to be a torso nearby

23:39

animals had scattered the remains of what

23:41

would later be identified as a man who

23:43

had been killed by blunt force trauma

23:45

to the said whatever

23:47

the exact number of occurrences by

23:50

the end of the year love bed township

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trustee leroy dick started

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to receive letters from concerned

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family members their loved

23:58

ones had passed through a bed

23:59

county

24:00

and were never seen again in

24:07

the fall of eighteen seventy two a

24:09

man from osage mission set

24:11

out on foot going south he

24:13

planned to buy some land and labatt county

24:16

he had one thousand nine hundred dollars

24:18

in his pocket he never came

24:20

back and he never contacted any one

24:22

again he was a bachelor so

24:25

he was gone a long time before anyone

24:27

started asking around the

24:29

same went for benjamin brown from

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howard county kansas who was known

24:33

to have two thousand six hundred dollars

24:36

on his person and william mccrory

24:39

who disappeared along with an unknown amount

24:41

of money but definitely an entire

24:43

team of horses

24:45

they were least three more

24:47

people were scared for leroy

24:49

was reluctant to acknowledge a pattern people

24:52

disappeared all the time on the prairie some

24:54

died of natural causes a

24:56

because their identities weren't clear in a time

24:59

long before driver's licenses passports

25:02

and dental record there was simply

25:04

no way to notify family some

25:06

people left their wives or husbands and

25:09

didn't want to be found others

25:11

simply moved on to greener pastures

25:14

leroy figured missing people like these

25:16

young men were none of his business

25:19

and if horse these were responsible for the

25:21

disappearances or the dead bodies leroy

25:24

thought they had probably moved on already he

25:27

replied to each letter individually

25:29

but he didn't sound an alarm even

25:32

when his wife's cousin henry mackenzie

25:35

when missing mackenzie

25:37

stayed at leroy his house in early

25:39

november eighteen seventy two he

25:41

was on his way from indiana to independence

25:44

to visit his sister leroy

25:47

thought mackenzie was obnoxious but

25:49

the kids loved him leroy

25:51

also thought mackenzie dressed way too

25:53

flashy and should settle down and

25:55

start his own family but

25:57

then leroy reminded himself to mind is

26:00

the business in spite

26:02

of how mackenzie dressed stay had little

26:04

money to his name when he

26:06

left leroy his house he only had

26:08

forty cents in his pocket and

26:10

that was alone from a friend he

26:13

never made it to independence for

26:15

like so many others it took a while

26:17

to know that he never arrived at his destination

26:21

mackenzie was a decorated civil war veteran

26:24

he was tall athletic and a good

26:26

fighter to to take care of himself

26:29

but by the end of eighteen seventy two concern

26:32

was growing from multiple sources

26:34

there was no news from henry mackenzie in

26:36

independence the body of

26:38

john fifth was found on a snowy

26:41

prairie south of cherry veil the

26:44

three hundred dollars that his family knew he

26:46

was carrying was gone and

26:48

worst of all for the disappearances of

26:50

george long core and his young daughter

26:54

george lived seven miles south of

26:56

independence and his wife had died

26:58

giving birth to is now eighteen

27:00

month old daughter maryam he

27:03

had raised marianne alone thus far

27:06

but his wife's parents in iowa desperately

27:09

wanted to take over george's

27:11

neighbors william and mary york

27:13

thought it was a good idea they

27:16

had helped george during the past year and a half

27:18

but they had four children of their own and

27:21

so after christmas george

27:23

long core bundled marianne into

27:25

a wagon and left for iowa in

27:28

a pattern that surely sounds familiar

27:31

by now they never made it

27:33

when george his neighbor william yours

27:36

became suspicious and when looking for

27:38

answers his search set off

27:40

a chain reaction to lead a posse

27:42

to the bend your cabin and to the discovery

27:44

of the gruesome crimes that still

27:46

resonate today next

27:54

time on legends of the old west william

27:56

york begins the hunt and then another

27:59

disappearance the search into

28:01

overdrive terrible

28:03

things are discovered on a bender property

28:05

and all the suspicious pieces start

28:07

to fit together but that doesn't

28:09

mean there will be justice that's

28:12

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