0:02

Megan, I am so happy about this

0:04

interview, especially since you are our first reoccurring

0:07

guest on the podcast. So thank

0:10

you so much for coming back. So

0:13

things are having me back. I'm so excited. So

0:15

much has happened since we last saw each other a

0:17

pandemic, You had a baby. I

0:20

was in high school, now in college. There's

0:22

so much to catch up on. First

0:24

of all, how's being a mom.

0:27

It's the greatest thing ever. Um.

0:30

I always wanted to be a mom, so I knew would be good, but I didn't

0:32

know beat this good. And he recently got glasses

0:34

and he's just I didn't think he could get cuter, and

0:36

he's so cute it hurts,

0:39

and I just keep going, Oh, I want more, you know,

0:41

I want four babies. Four that's

0:43

a very specific number. Yes,

0:46

it's a lot. We're like trying to name the rest of

0:48

them already, and everyone's like, are

0:50

you gonna do like our names? Are you going to change it

0:52

up? That's what I was like, We we have to figure

0:54

this out right now, because we either have to do all ours

0:56

or we have to go right. He's Lali's

0:59

you know, like they all of this sound the same or something.

1:01

Our biggest thing is we don't want to name him

1:03

after anybody or name our babies

1:06

after anyone. And we don't like if you know

1:08

someone who's like a bad person with

1:10

that name name, it ruins

1:13

a name. So I'll be like, oh my

1:15

god, what about this name? And Daryl's like I hate

1:17

that guy. I'm like, okay, you know, so

1:19

we have to both not know anyone

1:21

in the world with that name. Do you go through

1:23

the baby books? Oh, I go through

1:26

the websites that are like unisex

1:28

names, and like, I like names that could be for

1:31

a boy or a girl. That's my favorite too, so

1:33

I'm really narrowing it down, like Dylan

1:35

or Sean or Ryan Yeah yeah, yeah,

1:37

yeah yeah. My brother's name Ryan. So I'm

1:39

like, I already lost that one. That's an our

1:41

name too. I know it's

1:44

perfect rip.

1:46

I might deserve it for like a daughter, so

1:49

cute, for a daughter that couldn't

1:51

be nuts for a redheaded spy kid, that's

1:53

it. Yeah, it would break your name after

1:55

rule, but because it's a girl, it doesn't count. Yeah,

1:58

Like we knew, right, I wanted a girl name Riley, but

2:01

then and we knew the name, and then that they

2:03

were like at the boy, and I was like, we're keeping the name.

2:05

Was it a surprise? Did you know the gender? They

2:08

called me at ten weeks they could do a blood test

2:10

now sick. I was like, I need

2:12

to know now, and she was like, actually

2:14

it's a boy. And I was like, oh oh,

2:18

I'd be the exactly anticipation

2:20

of not knowing for nine

2:23

months. No, I have no. I think people are

2:25

crazy that they can achieve that patience.

2:28

My mom did that with both of us, and I was like,

2:31

how no, no, no, no no.

2:34

And then when people are like, you just have to see the baby's face

2:36

and then you'll know the name. Wrong. Baby

2:39

looks completely every week. That baby changes,

2:42

like you have a whole brand new baby every week. Newborns

2:44

looks so different than the baby. Oh

2:47

yeah, especially if you push it out there aliens

2:49

for at least a couple of weeks. Like ruly,

2:52

yeah, really was having a C section

2:54

scary, terrifying. I've

2:57

never had stitches. I've

2:59

never had You're right, dude. I was

3:01

like, I've had vocal surgery, but I was asleep

3:03

this you have to be awake, you have

3:05

to be awake, and they come out in seven minutes.

3:08

But you hear everything, you smell

3:10

everything. You I was

3:12

like, am I going to be moving? They're like no,

3:15

bit, I was on a rollercoaster. I

3:17

was like okay. And

3:20

then he came out and he wasn't breathing. I was like, where's

3:22

that cry wasn't breathing.

3:25

They took him to the nikki and they're like, dad,

3:27

do you want to stay here with wife or do you want to

3:29

go to a baby? And I was like you stay

3:32

and the doctor was like you should go with a baby, and

3:35

I was like, you betrayed me.

3:37

And so he left and I was alone for forty five minutes

3:39

getting so back up and you didn't

3:41

get to meet him right now. I

3:44

got to see him for one second and they took him away and

3:46

I was like, wow, that didn't go.

3:48

I was so drugged up though that I was like, hey, he's fine.

3:51

Were the drugs so great? But

3:54

yeah? Yeah, I mean I was at ease.

3:56

Like my mom was like crying on the phone because she couldn't

3:58

be with me because of COVID, So she was are you okay?

4:01

And I was like he's good, Like

4:03

I'm chilling, yeah, And then I talked about

4:05

it like weeks after with my therapist and she's like, so

4:07

you definitely have some PTSD, Like

4:09

we have a little trauma. We're gonna work on that. That was a traumatic

4:12

birth and I was like, oh for

4:15

that to happen. Um, he

4:18

was planning for a c session because he was breached, like

4:20

he was not in any kind of position to be

4:22

pushed out and he flipped right

4:24

at the end. And I was like, did you know so?

4:28

And I was like watching every video on how to

4:30

give birth. I watched my aunt give birth twice. I was

4:32

like, I'm ready and then they're like C section. I was like,

4:34

I haven't seen these videos yet, like my

4:36

research. Yeah, I would get an epidural.

4:39

I have nothing to please. Uh

4:42

no, you need it. I need it. I need that epidural.

4:45

My friend Hilary Duff has home births, which

4:47

you can't have any drugs for that. She's

4:49

a hero. I want to be.

4:51

I want to be around doctors just for like my

4:53

anxiety. Me too. Write

4:55

I was like, I want to be tubed up. I want the

4:58

oxygen clothes, I want the nicky right

5:00

everything just in case, because I feel like the worst

5:02

case scenarios. Oh yeah, I

5:04

go to death every time if I say

5:07

good bye to my it's a problem working on. When I say good bye

5:09

to anyone, I'm like, you'll probably get in a car accident. I'll

5:11

never see you. Get it. That's how let's go by. It's

5:13

a real thing I'm working on. That is actually

5:15

really funny you say that, because I used

5:17

to have horrific separation anxiety,

5:19

and I would always I couldn't do sleepovers, and

5:22

I would always think if I want to sleep over that I would

5:24

either die or my parents would die. Wow.

5:28

Yeah, and therapy helped, see

5:31

and now I don't have those Wow,

5:35

that's amazing. We have a lot in common,

5:38

Megan, we do. I feel

5:40

you girl, stay in that therapy.

5:42

It's amazing. Really.

5:46

What's the hardest part about having a kid

5:48

that no one told you about? I

5:51

guess I wasn't warned a lot of like when

5:53

they fall, like you have to

5:55

You're gonna just watch it happen, you know, and

5:58

you have to try to not go what baby,

6:00

you know, which I do, and Daryl's

6:02

like, calm, come, you know, they look

6:04

how you react to Yeah, no

6:07

one really talks about, like, I don't know, when

6:09

they fall it hurts if they're

6:11

in any pain, if he has a cold, You're just

6:13

like, oh my god, you're as happy as your least

6:15

happy as kid, which is real. What has been

6:17

the most interesting part of seeing

6:19

your son grow? That is

6:22

just like, oh my goodness, he's like a human. Aw. I

6:24

guess like the eyesight part, Like

6:27

I didn't realize too when they're infants there

6:29

like they can only see a certain distance, So

6:32

that was bizarre, Like they're literally learning how

6:34

to see and breathe and eat and

6:36

swallow. Something that's so refreshing

6:38

about Like what you post in your

6:40

content is just that it's

6:42

honest and you're not showing the

6:44

easy parts, which I feel like is what social

6:47

media is off in a highlight reel. So what

6:49

made you want to get more into social media? Because

6:51

you're you have the podcast now

6:54

pick talk with social media

6:57

expert. How what made you open

6:59

up more and not those platforms? Um?

7:02

I mean, I think like the pandemic showed

7:04

me that we can work from home. And I

7:07

enjoy working from home because usually we're on

7:09

the road constantly, and now with a baby,

7:11

I'm trying to do more work from home so I could

7:13

see him and be with him. So I

7:15

think a podcast with my brother too. Was

7:18

just like a fun extra way to have

7:21

therapy with him. And we've had many

7:23

family breakthroughs. So if you ever,

7:26

like are struggling with a family member, just start

7:28

a podcast and you just talk for an

7:30

hour a day. It's great. What's

7:32

the biggest thing? Being on a podcast has taught you?

7:35

Um that there's other

7:37

people out there that feel exactly how you feel.

7:40

It's very nice. It's very

7:42

nice. And it's like watching Ryan

7:44

talk about his sobriety and how many

7:47

people comment like, Yo, I'm going through the same thing

7:49

and you talking about it really helps me.

7:51

Like watching him see how his words impact

7:54

others out there is a beautiful

7:57

thing and it's like something and not a lot of people get

7:59

to experience. So that was the

8:01

best part. And I'm so beyond proud of him. I

8:03

think he's the coolest. He's like my favorite person ever.

8:05

So watching him become a better

8:08

person because he's been working on it

8:10

has been the best part of our lives.

8:12

How is the podcast? Has it made you guys closer

8:15

or has it brought some tension? Because I know working

8:17

with family can bring some Oh,

8:19

it's definitely made us closer. Well,

8:21

I always worked with my family, so we're not like

8:23

that luckily think thank god.

8:26

Um, but he used to be my camera guy forever

8:28

and he never was like I want to take pictures.

8:30

I just like threw a camera in his hands and he was like okay,

8:33

and he was like I'm not even looking, but sure. And

8:36

I think over years of that, he wanted to quit

8:39

and we got into a big blow up. Um,

8:41

and that was like the last time we drank. So

8:43

that was him trying to say I want to quit, but not like

8:46

upset you. And I was like, I want you to quit and

8:48

not freak out. So it

8:50

was, um, this is a new lane where

8:52

he's like working and he's in front of the camera

8:55

and he is really honest

8:57

with himself and it's helped him a

8:59

lot. It's like the best therapy. He just

9:01

becomes such a nice person, a nicer person

9:03

because it was already great. I love that.

9:06

And I think there's something about the podcast

9:08

format where there's no like

9:10

three minute videos where you have to like get

9:12

him points. You can just kind of show your personality

9:15

and for yourself. Oh yeah, I'm always

9:17

like you do want to plan something, It's like, nah, we'll

9:19

wing it. I'm like, okay, and

9:21

we do just because, like we're best friends,

9:23

so we can just chat all day long. Yeah.

9:26

I love working on a podcast. I love your

9:28

podcast. You're amazing. Thank you so much.

9:30

I feel like you're just talking about how

9:32

human you are. We need more of that. Yeah,

9:34

we're like working on it. The concept is like we're

9:37

just working on being better humans in

9:39

every category of our life. So we

9:41

get really, really open

9:44

and really honest. And I like that.

9:46

I think it's harder to pretend to be somebody

9:48

when you're in this business. It's

9:51

like it's exhausting. So being

9:53

myself people enjoy that, and that's

9:55

wonderful because I don't have to pretend to be anybody

9:57

else. Do you think showing

9:59

more yourself on social media has

10:01

allowed you to be more open in your songwriting

10:04

and your music or they two separate things in

10:06

your mind? Oh yeah

10:08

for sure. Um, especially

10:11

like this album I'm might come out. I

10:13

came out with Bad for Me, which is like, um,

10:16

a slower song, but a real situation

10:18

that I had with my therapist with a family

10:21

member and had to write a letter

10:23

and send it to him and

10:25

and that stuff is real and I

10:27

wrote it the next day, and a

10:29

lot of people I've seen on TikTok relate

10:31

to that, and they they'll even say I needed this like

10:34

ten years ago, like this song is me

10:37

right now, and it's it's really cool

10:40

to relate with other others

10:42

like that. And I've been writing a lot about

10:44

being a mom because I feel like

10:46

moms aren't supposed to complain or

10:48

cry online, and you know, and it's

10:51

like, well, it's a lot of stuff is hard and

10:53

scary. Like we just found out he's not

10:55

using his left eye because it's like,

10:58

yeah, because his eyesight is that bad

11:00

that he just wasn't using it. And when we

11:02

discovered that, Darryl and I were like heartbroken

11:04

because we're like, we had no idea this poor

11:06

boy like couldn't see. So

11:09

there's a lot of crazy emotions that come

11:11

of being a parent, and I want to talk about

11:13

it because it helps a lot of people out there and it makes

11:15

me feel like I'm normal. I actually had

11:18

a similar experience when I was about

11:20

four. My left I used to cross and

11:22

I couldn't. Yeah, I had to use the eye

11:24

patch and everything on my right eye to make

11:26

it stronger. I had my little red

11:28

glasses so I know the struggle. Yeah,

11:31

there, and they find it younger now, so they can

11:33

find it at six months old. So when

11:35

he's a year and a half, he's a baby and

11:38

he has glasses, and they were like, well, at

11:40

least you caught it now, And I was like, what, I feel

11:42

like, he's so young. They're like, well, nowadays,

11:44

we can catch it earlier. But my brothers didn't get glasses

11:46

untill they were like four, so they lived

11:49

their life like walking into walls. That

11:51

was me. I would literally My brother used to

11:53

make fun of me. I would walk when we're in a

11:55

hotel room and they were clear doors, I couldn't

11:57

tell that they were closed, so I would

11:59

just walk into the door because I

12:01

just could not have that depth perception.

12:04

It's so heartbreaking, and

12:06

your parents, like they must have felt so bad.

12:09

We just felt so bad. My brother was

12:11

cracking up. He was cracking up, and

12:13

I was just crying on the floor. But that's what siblings

12:16

are for, that's what we're he for. Yeah,

12:19

that's what they're here for. But I feel like growing

12:22

up can be really hard, and I think it's really cool

12:24

how you're documenting the struggles of being

12:26

a parent because again, it's just not happening

12:29

much. Yeah, I don't know if I'm

12:31

even allow to talk about it, but I want to do it for you because I

12:33

love you. I'm writing a book about pregnancy

12:35

and like how bizarre it is and like things

12:37

no one told me, you know, So what's

12:40

the strangest see the open No one told you about

12:42

pregnancy because I'm very cure. Um, I

12:44

knew like you could have different

12:46

skin like pimples and stuff, but

12:49

I straight up got um perioral

12:51

dermatitis where it's like dry rough

12:53

patches kind of like rosatia. And

12:56

I just thought I kept like burning my skin on

12:58

products or like the cup brushes I

13:00

were using where I was allergic to, so I'd

13:02

have these dry patches and it was miserable

13:05

and itchy, and I was like what is this? And later

13:07

I found out like, oh, it can come with your

13:09

hormone and balance, and I was like, oh,

13:12

so there's like there's really

13:14

strange stuff that I'm going to get into in the

13:16

book. The women's body is crazy. It's

13:19

crazy. We're amazing.

13:21

We're the greatest. We're the greatest. I

13:23

grew eyelids. Eyelids,

13:26

did you know? Fun fact? That always like blew

13:28

my mind. You grow the taste buds and the eyelashes

13:30

and the third trimester, whoa sick?

13:35

Did you ever feel the pressure of bouncing back

13:37

after having a kid, because I feel like there's

13:39

this big pressure on like snapping

13:41

back into your same body, but no, like your body

13:43

changes. I knew like I had a

13:45

goal of snapping back because

13:48

I also was my heaviest when I

13:50

got pregnant. I was like in COVID

13:53

gained a fift you know, like I was

13:55

up. I was a hundred and eighty five pounds and

13:58

that was my heaviest, and and I got pregnant

14:01

and I went up to like to twenty

14:03

and so when I after I gave birth, he

14:05

los like ten pounds because that's the baby.

14:08

But I got a dietitian

14:10

after I was trying to do it myself and I wasn't succeeding

14:12

because I didn't know how to work out right or eat right,

14:15

and I tried to count calories and it was miserable,

14:18

and I was like, I don't want to hate this. So I got a dietitian

14:20

and she taught me like the beauty

14:22

of healthy food and how few does food

14:24

is fuel. It's not just like yeah,

14:27

it's it could be a beautiful thing. She taught me how

14:30

like we're all burning fires,

14:33

right, and if your fire goes out,

14:35

like you don't eat for a long time, you're gonna

14:37

feel angry and miserable. And if you try to

14:39

throw a fat log on that fire, like eat

14:41

a fat, huge meal, it's not

14:43

going to make the fire go up. You're

14:45

just gonna like give yourself a tummy ache.

14:48

So she taught me, like, you have to eat snacks all

14:50

day and you have to like always

14:52

eat when you're hungry. And I was like, wow, I thought

14:54

it was like starve, you know. So she

14:56

taught me, I love healthy food and I lost

14:59

like sick steve pounds. Now I'm like, I'm

15:02

like one, wait, I weigh one fifty

15:04

seven now and when I

15:06

was when I got practice five. So I'm

15:08

like the healthiest I've ever been. As long

15:10

as you feel good, that's what matters. And something I

15:13

never thought I would struggle with was

15:15

food. Yeah, I would go through

15:18

those cycles. I think being on social media really

15:20

exacerbated it, where I

15:22

was like, Okay, I'm gonna work out, I'm gonna

15:24

eat right, and then it would get to the point where I also

15:27

go c D, which I think dieting

15:29

for me not good, and I

15:31

would be like, oh my goodness, there are too many calories

15:33

and strawberry and right when that happened,

15:36

I was like, I think

15:38

we have an issue. Yeah, it's

15:40

scary and it's it's it can

15:42

really mess with your mind. So my dietician

15:44

taught me, She's like, we're not going to weigh this week, it doesn't matter,

15:47

Like do you feel good? And I'd be like, yeah, I feel

15:49

great. Yeah, And that's how

15:51

we do it. And she's just so good. She also specializes

15:54

with like teenagers or

15:56

anyone with a eating disorder. Um. But

15:58

she told me to that like a ten year old boy

16:01

came in with like anorexia,

16:04

Like it's it's kind of spiking

16:07

again and I think it's social media

16:09

and it's heartbreaking. But she's

16:12

like having her specialized in that too really helps

16:14

me out because she makes sure like

16:16

are you happy, are you talking to your therapists?

16:18

Is everything okay? How is your week been?

16:21

So she changed my life. Her name is Christie Christie.

16:25

She changed my life forever and changed my bad

16:28

habits. I wasn't taking care of myself

16:30

and now I am that's so important and it's it's

16:32

really hard to get yourself to that point

16:35

to fully love yourself. And I feel like we're also

16:37

on that journey. What advice do you have for

16:40

little tips and tricks to get through the day to

16:42

stay more positive and confident? Oh?

16:45

Man, I have I've heard so many

16:47

things, but I mean self talk, like being

16:49

positive. I know it's hard, but so hard. The

16:51

more negative, the negative you are,

16:53

like, the more your brain heres that like

16:55

fourteen thousand times over and over again, so you're just

16:58

bullying yourself. Um. And

17:00

my therapist had me look in the mirror

17:02

for five minutes a day naked and

17:05

just look at myself, and I was like, I hate

17:08

this, Like it was the hardest. Day

17:10

one was the hardest thing ever. Day three I was

17:12

like, huh,

17:14

yeah, you

17:16

start, it starts turning and you see

17:18

the that it's working. So Um,

17:21

it's all starts with you working on yourself

17:24

and it's very hard to do, but it's a thing. I'm working

17:26

on it every day. That sounds like what

17:28

I used to do exposure therapy, where it's

17:30

essentially just doing your biggest

17:33

fears and then just going straight

17:35

into it. And it's a fact Oprah

17:38

Toppy that one. Yeah, whatever scares

17:40

you, you you should probably do it, like okay,

17:42

And I had to do a TV show right after

17:44

I gave birth. I had like, um

17:47

three months off and which

17:49

is like the normal of what they have now because America is

17:51

crazy. But I was like, I'm gonna be on

17:53

television that like gains ten pounds

17:56

no matter what. And it was a food program,

17:58

so I had to eat food all day. Top set failed me style

18:00

to check it out, and I'm like, I was

18:02

like pumping during breaks and then I was

18:05

like eating their food and I was like, oh, I was

18:07

really on a like on

18:09

on a program and I was really looking forward

18:11

to not doing this. But I'm the only woman

18:13

in history who's lost weight on that show. Because

18:16

it's all about moderation. That's what that show

18:18

taught me, is like I can eat whatever I want as long as

18:20

it's whittle. That's a fun fact. Fun

18:23

fact. Yeah, everything moderation. Yeah.

18:26

Well, actually on set, it was like all women

18:28

and they were so they took care of me, and one

18:30

was pregnant like literally every day. I

18:32

was like, oh girl, you're a hero. Okay,

18:37

let's take a quick break, but when we come back, I'm

18:39

going to talk about being a woman in America

18:41

these days, all the different thousands of music

18:43

you're bringing in your new album, how

18:45

hard but beneficial it is, cutting out toxic

18:47

relationships out of your life, and so much

18:49

more. We'll be right fact and

18:56

we're back. It's really

18:58

hard to be a woman nowadays, especially

19:01

in America, And I just want

19:03

to thank you also for posting

19:05

and talking on social media about

19:08

what's happening with the Supreme Court and Ruby

19:10

Wade, because it's more

19:12

people should talk about it, and it's a really hard thing.

19:14

So thank you for saying something. I know.

19:16

Thank you. Thank you for saying that I got a

19:19

lot. I don't get a lot of hate comments or

19:22

I don't look for them, but that one I

19:24

got a lot of nasty

19:26

stuff. And it's not even like hate

19:28

comments. This this ship was evil. It was

19:30

like, well, at least you didn't abort your beautiful song. And I was

19:32

like, oh my goodness. So I turned off

19:34

the comments and life is much better.

19:36

But at that day, I was releasing my song

19:39

that day, so I was like, oh, this sucks,

19:41

you know, And I wanted to make sure

19:43

I wasn't posting about me, and then I was like, I

19:45

really have to say something, and this

19:48

is terrible, and it's We're

19:50

supposed to be land of the free and it doesn't feel like it.

19:52

It really doesn't. I did a post it's

19:55

scary to be a woman. But hopefully

19:57

by having these conversations and talking about

19:59

it, we can change the stigma

20:02

that I don't know where it came from.

20:04

Yeah, it's like we're going backwards. I

20:06

don't get it. I'm in college right now,

20:08

and I'm very scared and just

20:11

I'm an anxious person, but like

20:13

adding the social aspect and knowing

20:16

that my rights aren't secured. Its like in

20:19

some places, like birth control is being

20:21

taken away, and it's like there's

20:23

so many medical reasons why we need all

20:25

these things and they're not thinking

20:27

about that. It's very, very frustrating.

20:30

And my friend and I joke all the time, like should

20:32

we go to Canada? Like she would just late to

20:35

go to Canada. Now there's a dawn devout

20:37

a house. Um yeah, but it's

20:39

scary and hopefully something good will happen

20:42

because we're just going the wrong way. Just

20:44

to switch topics a little bit, I have really

20:47

noticed about your music and this next album is

20:49

you're changing up the style. You're

20:52

just trying out different styles, different

20:54

dramas, and I love it, yes,

20:56

ma'am. Yeah, I was going

20:58

really pop for a while there because

21:00

I love pop and I love this

21:03

is still pop music. But I did want to bring in my elements

21:05

from my first album. I keep telling people

21:07

it's like title two point oh um if

21:09

title grew up, you know, and it's

21:12

so you'll hear like the duop vibes that everyone

21:14

loves. And I tried to go songwriting

21:17

first, So songs like Superwomen are

21:19

very like people call my Dolly parton song um,

21:23

and that's I was really proud of that because

21:25

my whole life, like my favorite thing

21:27

in life is songwriting. So when I'm improving

21:29

there, I'm like, oh, I'm winning, you know, like

21:32

I'm doing the best. Like yeah,

21:34

I like the practice finally made

21:36

it through, you know. And so these

21:38

songs are very powerful and I think

21:41

my best songwriting yet. I

21:43

know it too because I've experienced life more

21:45

and I think there there's that balance where to

21:47

write about life you have to experience it

21:49

and not just focus on writing. So what

21:52

has that process been to not focus

21:54

on like if the song is going to be vial, but focus

21:56

on improving the writing

21:58

and becoming the best art is for yourself. Yeah,

22:01

I think the best part about writing a whole album and

22:03

a project is that you can You

22:06

can't have songs like what it's

22:08

really because I have a platform. It's like what do I want

22:10

to say? And then being a mom, I was

22:12

like, well, I want to say, like this is hard and

22:14

like and everyone was interviewing

22:16

me at the time and they're like, you're still positive, it's so happy

22:19

and you're like, how do you do it? You're so confident,

22:21

And I was like, no, dude, I write these songs because

22:23

I'm just in my head, like I

22:26

see a therapist every week. I'm on antidepressants,

22:29

Like I'm I'm here

22:31

and I'm working my booty on working on

22:33

it. I'm working on it, but you gotta

22:36

work on it. And that's My songs are my

22:38

therapy. Like my songs are me admitting

22:40

like not everything is perfect over here,

22:43

you know, um, especially bad

22:45

for me. I didn't know that would be a single. I didn't know that the

22:47

first that's like a real personal thing

22:49

that's happening in my family that my family

22:51

members are like, that's going first. I'm like, it's

22:55

like I was just trying to work through something that her.

22:57

I'm just trying to cope over here, I'm

23:00

just coping. So yeah,

23:03

this album had a lot of heart, and I

23:05

think like the last song on the album, called Final

23:07

Breath is literally um

23:10

the movie The Notebook, because

23:12

I tell Darryl, like, that's how we're gonna die, like holding

23:14

hands in bed Old. That's so bittersweet

23:17

and romantic at the same time. Yeah.

23:19

Yeah, So I have an impending doom

23:21

fear of death. So that's

23:24

the album for sure. Oh

23:26

yeah, yeah, I've always been terrified.

23:29

It's the unknown of it. It's the unknowing.

23:32

I'm going to like, I'm going to a haunted

23:34

mansion with the podcast at

23:37

the end of this month to hopefully see a

23:39

ghost so that I know I could stick around after I pass,

23:41

you know what I mean, And I want to know

23:43

that I could still chill with my kids. Do

23:46

you believe in ghosts? I

23:48

want you so bad. I just haven't seen one, but

23:50

I love watching the videos online. I'm like, I

23:53

might be real, you know, I'm

23:55

like skeptical, but I'm like, but like, if

23:57

it were real, that'd be pretty crazy.

24:00

I'm like, that's so wonderful to know that I

24:02

get chilly here and haunt everyone. Yeah,

24:05

that's what I'm hoping for. Manifest, Manifest,

24:07

Manifest, Manifest, Manifest, Hunt Forever

24:09

do you manifest? I guess so,

24:12

but not like intentionally, like wake

24:14

up. Yeah. I'll say stuff like we're

24:17

gonna write a book one day, you know, and then I'm

24:19

doing it, or like we're gonna have four kids,

24:21

four kids for kids, you know that's

24:23

gonna happen. I'm always I want twins

24:26

too, so I get a two for one deal and I'm like, damn, we're

24:28

gonna have twins. And I already had a C section.

24:30

So there's like a target like my head. Just open

24:32

it right back up. We'll get him out safely,

24:35

you know. So that's a dream. Something

24:37

that I really love about the song Bad for Me is

24:39

how honest it is. There are so few songs

24:41

that talk about the hard stuff,

24:44

the hard stuff and the toxicity that relationships

24:46

can form. And just because it was amazing at

24:48

one point doesn't mean that it's still meant

24:50

to go on. Do you struggle with that? Also?

24:53

Cutting relationships if it gets a little toxic.

24:55

Oh my god. Yeah, I've got it from my mom.

24:57

Wh just I feel so bad. We were in therapy yesterday.

25:00

I dragged my mom to therapy and she was

25:02

like, you guys, feel like you're responsible

25:04

for everyone's feelings huh. And I was like

25:07

yeah, ding ding ding, like

25:09

I have to make sure everyone's

25:12

happy and like and my

25:14

mom is the same way, so I got it from her. Um,

25:16

She's like, you're not really responsible

25:19

for everyone's happiness, right, Like it's not up

25:21

to you. And I was like, oh, so,

25:24

like yeah, this situation when

25:26

you have a family member, it's so hard because

25:28

I've cut off friends and I've seen

25:30

the benefits and like seeing, oh my god, life

25:33

is so much easier, um

25:35

and better and um I

25:37

think like Meryl Streep said something like

25:39

that, like if they're toxic, then they

25:42

need to be out of your life. And I was like, I'll do what every say Meryl

25:44

Streep and oprah, Um,

25:46

there's just like soul suckers, you know. But

25:48

um, when it's family, it's harder, man,

25:50

because they're not chosen and they're they're

25:53

like they're blood and you have

25:55

to see them every Christmas and

25:57

and it's really difficult to try to ask

25:59

them like, Okay, this isn't

26:01

good for me. We need space or

26:04

we need time, especially when

26:06

you write out a beautiful letter and get

26:08

no response. Like that really sucked,

26:11

but it it told me like what I'm doing is

26:13

right, you know, like when they show who they are, that's

26:16

who they are, believe

26:18

them. I went through that and I wrote a letter

26:20

to a family member a few months ago, and I never sent

26:22

it. Really I did because I knew there

26:25

was going to be no response, So I

26:27

just wrote it and I got

26:29

all the closure from that. You know what I

26:31

have? My team is so smart. They did

26:33

this honestly. Um they made

26:35

a website for me, a campaign for the

26:38

song. My therapist told me to dot

26:40

co or you can literally go write an

26:42

anonymous letter and just like blasted

26:44

out. That's amazing, so

26:46

smart. I was like, we

26:51

have to take one more quick break, but when we come

26:53

back, I want to talk about how therapist impacted

26:55

your life, your marriage and going

26:58

back on tour. We'll be right back and

27:05

we're back. How long have you

27:07

been in therapy? A

27:10

couple of years now. But I got a new therapist

27:12

that like because that's the thing. If you have one bad

27:14

therapy session, you just like I hate it. My

27:16

family and my parents are in that generation where

27:18

they're like, I don't need therapy. I'm not crazy. I'm

27:20

like, you need so much therapy. It's

27:22

insane if you're saying that you

27:24

need therapy. Yeah, exactly. So

27:27

I got this therapist though that specializes

27:29

in like moms who work

27:31

and who are famous too, So I

27:34

got the Jackpod. Like yeah,

27:37

she but other than that, she's like she's

27:40

such a genius. Everything she asked me questions

27:42

like nobody does that in therapy. She's like when

27:45

she asked me, like, wow, that's that's crazy.

27:47

Are you responsible for everyone's happiness and

27:49

like their life and how they turn out?

27:52

Like it's like

27:54

maybe, I'm like, but I

27:56

could be, but I don't know. Yeah, she's

27:58

good. I'm in a new thing is where I'm

28:00

like, I'm looking for a therapist. It's

28:02

hard. It's like dating. It is

28:05

like dating, and that was I'm having no luck in

28:07

that area either because

28:09

I have you will I promise.

28:12

I heard bumble is really good. I heard bumbles

28:14

great. I've tried core

28:16

stories. Also, like

28:19

there's still that the if your friend

28:21

knows someone that works that works for me. I

28:23

asked my friend. I was like, do you know any guys who are like really

28:26

nice? I just want a nice guy. And

28:28

then I met him. Was like, we're getting married. I

28:30

love that story. How long have you been married for? Now?

28:33

We've known each other now, we dated

28:35

started six years ago. We had just had our

28:38

date anniversary July one,

28:40

and um, we've

28:42

been married for three years now. How's

28:45

how's the marriage life? Is it different than you saw?

28:47

No, it's like exactly what I thought. It's amazing.

28:50

But it's better than I thought it would be. I thought I'd

28:52

marry like some douche and I'd have to train him.

28:54

But he's such a softy and he's so emotional

28:57

and it's so good for us because he like cares

29:00

extra Like on Mother's

29:02

Day, he wrote me a card and then he'll write a card from

29:04

Riley Like he's he's a softie.

29:06

He's really really cute, and he

29:08

would write before had babies, he'd write every

29:10

card from my dogs. It's like I have Mother's

29:12

Day, mom, we love you, things to take care of us. I was like, yeah,

29:15

he's one of those so like but now

29:18

I feel like I have to preach to the world, like don't

29:20

settle. There's really good men out there,

29:22

you know. It's hard. I feel like something

29:25

that has blown my mind at

29:27

college is that people only,

29:30

at least what I've experienced, ask

29:32

for Snapchat. Where did phone

29:34

numbers go? That's so weird,

29:36

And they don't even everything is on snap

29:39

text or Snapchat, and

29:41

no conversations are just photos. I'm like, I don't

29:43

want to see your face. I'm

29:45

not even on stampchat again. I gotta get back on

29:47

there. I feel like social media's ruined,

29:50

ruined, ruined dating because

29:52

my older brother, he's like almost thirty, and he's

29:54

with his friends and his friends like, oh my god, that

29:56

girl is so beautiful, Like I would do anything

29:58

to date her, and he's like, gotta say hi,

30:00

and he's like, what, I can't talk to her

30:02

in person. It's like, I'll just like find

30:05

her on Instagram. I was like, Ryan's like,

30:07

oh, no, go

30:09

for in person over a d M always just

30:11

d m R. Yeah. That's one of the things

30:13

about social media where I find if

30:16

I'm on it for too long, I need to get off. Yeah,

30:18

we take breaks for sure. Something

30:21

else that I want to talk to you about is that I know you've

30:23

written songs for so many artists. We talked about this in

30:25

the last episode. I was very curious

30:27

to know. Is the songwriting process when you're writing

30:29

for someone else, how does it differ from when you're

30:31

writing for yourself. It's

30:34

always different. Um, recently

30:36

I've been writing for uh.

30:38

I don't know if I'm allowed to say this, screw it. I've

30:40

been writing for Judges Siwa and she's

30:43

my friend, so it's different that way where

30:45

she's like like she comes over

30:47

to my house and we have a full session and she gives

30:49

me ideas and she writes with me. So

30:52

like in that world, I'm writing with the artists.

30:54

But in other worlds, I'll have songs

30:57

that are just banked that didn't

30:59

really make sense with my album, and I

31:01

have a bunch of extra ones um

31:04

and but some are so special and they're

31:06

like, oh God, that needs a home, and we always

31:08

say, like that needs a really good home, so

31:11

um, we'll pitch stuff like that. Or the producers

31:14

I've written with who have those songs

31:16

that aren't out there, like can we pitch them?

31:18

So I have like I think, um,

31:21

a K pop girl I think is about to cut one

31:23

of my extra songs that I had. I'm like, yes,

31:26

more home for them to go to. Yeah, it's

31:29

so random, and it's my dreams

31:31

to write for more artists. So my team

31:33

was like, this time around, let's

31:35

let's write for you and then let's get take

31:37

more sessions and just write for the artists. I was like, I would

31:40

love to who's your dream artist to write

31:42

for? It could be great for any artists right now, dead

31:44

or alive. Who would it be? Well? Nowadays,

31:46

I just want to write a song with Ed Shearon because

31:48

I think it'd be some medical and Britta mars

31:51

Um. I would love to write a pop banger

31:53

for Dualipa. I feel like they'd be easy

31:55

and fun um

31:58

and who else I love? I

32:02

love Tate the new artist. Am

32:04

I saying that right? Yeah? Tate McRae,

32:06

Kate McGray, she was on the plodcast. She's

32:09

so cool. I want to write for

32:11

her. She's so cool. If anyone wants

32:13

to sing my songs, that's a dream. When you're

32:15

writing for like your friends versus

32:18

just having artists, how does that process differ.

32:21

I'll just try to write like made the best song win I'll

32:24

just try to write a really good song and then

32:27

then we'll be like, oh, this sounds like her,

32:29

you know how like dual lipos in that disco pop world.

32:31

If I wrote a disco pop song like let's pitch out

32:33

to do a you know, I

32:36

would die to write like a Caribbean

32:38

song for Rihanna, like a reggae

32:41

song, And that's my

32:43

real dreams. I just want to hear

32:45

her lullabies that I know.

32:48

I'm trying to do a lulla by album too, like a

32:50

kid's music, because I've seen there's

32:52

like the market small, you

32:55

know, for these kids have the perfect

32:57

voice for it too, I know. And

32:59

then I can make little YouTube videos and be like, Hi,

33:02

we're gonna sing this song today. You

33:04

can get like little calming bird animations

33:07

of just like I'd be like, that's mama, I

33:10

think this needs to happen, and you're right them. I

33:13

haven't heard of many like lullaby albums.

33:15

Um, what's her name? One girl

33:18

did it and she did great, The girl who Sings A

33:20

a thousand years. I

33:22

loved you for those. Christina

33:26

Perry. Christina Parry, she did

33:28

an amazing kids lullabye album

33:30

that was really beautiful. So I gotta try to

33:32

talk back. No, I gotta try to

33:34

listen to that and take notes, because she nailed it with

33:37

this entail writing like children's

33:39

songs are going off. I want to see she did

33:41

like great covers too, but I want to do

33:44

like originals, like I'm sick of

33:47

um ashes ashes we all

33:49

fall down, so dark, all

33:51

these things are so dark. And the rockabye baby,

33:55

like when the tree has a crat old weld

33:57

rock and the what is the lyrics I've

33:59

never heard when the bow bakes,

34:01

the cradle will fall and debil

34:03

come baby quite Lyndall,

34:05

Like, what is scarier than that? Nothing? So

34:08

I'm gonna rewrite them. Why was

34:10

that saying to us as a child that we're

34:12

going to It's terrific.

34:15

There's a lot of really scary ones, so I'm

34:17

gonna try to rewrite those and

34:20

make them like pop. Would you ever write a musical?

34:23

I would love to, Yeah, my dream Dream Dream one

34:25

of my other bucket lists dreams besides writing, like all

34:27

the music to an animated film that I write is

34:30

not for then for it to go on Broadway,

34:32

And then I'm just like, wow, my songs are just playing on

34:34

Broadway, like, and I don't think I have the

34:37

strength to go do eight shows a night and starting

34:39

it myself. But I'd love to just be known as

34:41

like the songwriter, you know, kind of

34:43

like a Sarah Brella's waitress moment following

34:47

I'm just right behind Sarah following her would

34:50

you ever read a children's book? Yes?

34:53

After my pregnancy book already

34:55

got it. It's gonna have textures, dude, I'm

34:57

doing it all like you. The

35:00

xtures. Yeah, that those are the big

35:02

hits that My kid only likes those books and

35:04

I don't know why because he can't see poor

35:07

kids, he felt. Now,

35:09

does he have to wear the eye patches? No, we

35:11

skipped right over that, I think because it's that bad um.

35:15

And he just wears his glasses and it took him

35:17

like two days, but now he wears them all the

35:19

time if he because he forgets they're

35:21

on. They're so cute. To check out my Instagram.

35:23

I did a video of it. Oh I saw. I

35:26

very much saw heartbreaking

35:28

with the red hair and the blue

35:30

glass. Oh yeah, oh yeah,

35:32

they're like turquoise see through. I was like, oh, this

35:35

is exactly what I wanted. Who picked out

35:37

those glasses. Honestly,

35:39

they were the first ones we saw there and

35:41

the guy Michael his great.

35:44

But I gotta go get like eight more pair because

35:46

we're gonna be on the cover of magazine soon, so

35:48

I need to get the anti reflective ones. You know what I'm

35:50

saying. Boys a star. I used

35:52

to have the transition glasses where they turned

35:54

into sunglasses when you go outside. See,

35:57

that's sick. I didn't know that

35:59

was the thing. Goggles they're great. They turn

36:01

into sunglasses when you're outside, and they get dark when

36:04

you come back, and they get normal again. Tight tight, tight

36:06

tight. He's also like see through a pale. He's

36:08

so white, so when he goes in the sun, we're like hat

36:10

glasses cover. So I'm

36:13

very curious. You have the album coming out, you

36:15

have the book. Are you working on anything

36:17

else for just for your creative self, just

36:19

to fill you. I eventually want a tour

36:21

because I haven't sang in front of a crowd and since

36:24

before COVID, so I would love to see everyone

36:26

again. Um, I'll have a baby

36:28

this time, so it's going to be a game changer. UM

36:31

I do want to tour. I think a will tour and

36:33

then um, then I want

36:36

to get pregnant on tour the tour

36:38

bus. Yes, the tour bus.

36:40

I will be pregnant, I hope. So

36:42

yeah, I'm gonna start trying like a day one of tour,

36:44

and we're like, we're gonna make a baby, you know. So

36:47

that's kind of great because he'd be like, you were conceived

36:49

in this city, period, and

36:51

then we should name them that city. Oh my god,

36:53

I'm like Kim Kardassian. Oh if

36:55

you named him, Oh my god, if you have your baby in Brooklyn,

36:58

San Francisco, San Francisco,

37:02

imagine San Francisco. Thank

37:06

you so much, Megan, this made my day. I wish

37:09

of you. I will literally do this whenever you want. You just call me.

37:11

Thank you so much. All yeah, have me back anytime.

37:13

I'm ready. Awesome