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Music.

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Welcome to Let's Get Writing Season 6. I'm your host and producer, Catherine Taylor.

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For all my content, please subscribe to my YouTube channel at CatherineTaylorTV.

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Now, welcome to the show. Let's Get Writing tells you the stories behind the

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stories and introduces you to the writers who create the books that you enjoy.

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And today's guest is no exception.

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He was born in Windsor, Newfoundland to a blue-collar family in a one-industry

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town, and I know intimately about that because I'm from the same area. I grew up in Grand Falls.

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Back in the day, they were Grand Falls and Windsor. Today, they're Grand Falls,

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Windsor, Newfoundland, and Labrador. A bit of an amalgamation.

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Now, my guest's unique path through life led him to success as a self-made millionaire,

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and he's sharing his story in the the recently published memoir with Flanker

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Press, Seventh Son, My Road to Success.

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Please welcome Jim Scott to Let's Get Writing.

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Hi, Jim. How are you? Hi, Catherine. Great. Thanks. Thanks very much for having

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me on your show. Oh, it's a pleasure.

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Yeah, it's a pleasure. You've been creating a lot of buzz around the province.

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And you were even recently here in town for a book signing.

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How was it to be back in your old stomping ground telling your success story?

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It was surreal. It was nice to get back to see old friends and family I haven't

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seen for a while. I try to get back at least twice a year.

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But in this case, I've seen people. saw people I'd never seen

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for such a long time and that was like exhilarating and

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it was a lot of fun and it was

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it was a nice time to see everybody when I

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read your book you said at one point one of

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your goals in life was to write a book you'd accomplished a

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lot of things but you wanted to write a book and share and

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you done it I want to talk

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to you a bit about that process process and how did

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that idea get started for you when did when did that

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land well a few years ago of course I've got

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like a lot of people that worked with me over the years and I

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guess through my own journey in life they got to know me a bit better for working

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with me and I you know I worked colleagues before I started my company and then

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they joined me and as the time went by and some of my brothers even come on

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board with me and they all started to share with me say like you know You've

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had such good experiences inside and outside of Canada.

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And he said, you tell a lot of good stories. You should write something about it.

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And it was sort of a seed that was planted probably around 10 or 15 years ago.

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And I just thought, when I retired, I thought, I'll never forget it.

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And I thought, yeah, I could probably do that. And the initial thought was just to do that. And I thought, I'm going to make

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it. So my family and friends, sort of a getaway thing.

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Because they were encouraging so much. That's how it started.

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When I got Nanner involved to actually put it together so it looked like a book,

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Carolyn Chafee Parsons was a great meet for me in getting her acquaintance and getting her on board.

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Basically, it went from there. When it got completed, she actually encouraged

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me to show it to the publishers, which I was delighted and didn't think was

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– I mean, sometimes you write about yourself and you wonder,

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okay, it's a good or a bad. I mean, I never wrote anything.

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And so when we hit the flanker, I was delightfully surprised that they wanted to publish.

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And it went from there. And it seems to have gotten a life of its own.

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I think you probably felt what a lot of people felt.

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Feel, and I know that I felt writing my first book, how do you do it? And how do you begin?

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And it's, I'm telling you, you went to a great person with Carolyn,

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who's actually a distant cousin of mine. So I think writing runs in our family.

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And I met her through an event that I was working on.

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But so when she, when you went to Carolyn, and a lot of people will say,

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Jim, I want to write my life story. I want to write a memoir.

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But a lot of those books remain in drawers or maybe in exercise books,

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but they never see the light of day. So did you feel like it was a bit of a mountain to climb that you didn't quite

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know where to start, or how did it start?

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Well, initially I started off, I felt that I would write a chronological history

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from my beginnings to now. And at that time, I'd just retired.

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And I thought, well, I know I'm really good at dates. I'm really good.

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My memory is great. great and and like i've got

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great like detail reception and stuff like that

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but anyway and that's how it started out now when

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i first wrote it was a very short manuscript and

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i and i got a couple of friends involved and they read and said well it's not

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really you because it's more mechanical it was like you know a to b to c to

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d you know whatever so from that when i got carolyn involved she actually did

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something you know so simple but effective and she basically talked talked about,

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you know, got to know me a bit. And she said, I'm going to send you a document, basically.

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And I sent it as a Google document, and it came in, and I opened it up.

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And basically, my book was in the middle, chapters to the left.

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On the right, she just basically, I want you to tell me stories.

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And she picked out an arrow, pointed to a sentence or a paragraph,

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give me a story, a thousand words, give me a paragraph about this subject,

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you know. And basically, I just started telling stories. And I was delighted how, you know, one she that,

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you know, that guidance really put me

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on the path to where this all went and it all and

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i knew i could tell stories and she from the few conversations

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that initially she felt yeah you can tell a

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lot of good stories because i was telling her bits and pieces of my life and

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well how i got her and all that she was like she was really encouraged by that

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so she really got me to a space where it actually looked like a book and then

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there were some you know the editing got involved she's got for colleagues to

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help her with the formatting of the book.

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And then, of course, when I went to Flanker, they'd re-arrange a small bit.

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They'd talk, they would change some chapter names that would really connect

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with the viewer of the book. And they tastefully don't. There were chapters I had at the beginning which moved to the end.

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And if you read the book, it's so, just one, it makes one last chapter really

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pull up everything you get. It was so tastefully done. I was like, oh, follows.

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But it truly was my story. And, you know, there was editing helps and all that.

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But basically, it's the stories that I felt that needed to be told that would

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sort of give people understanding where I was, where I led to my journey, and to where I ended up.

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And it's so ironic, people, today that strangers really tell me a lot of good stories.

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But when family and friends read it, they say, I didn't know this about you at the end.

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And the other people at the end will say, I didn't know about it at the beginning.

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So it was interesting to hear, and yes, to segue into your comment,

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but I did get a lot of people saying, oh, I want to write a book.

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And there's actually people who told me about they got a lot of stuff pulled

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together and wanted to meet with me after this to say, look, can you help me?

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And I raised my hand and said, hey, you've got to call Carolyn. Right?

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Call the expert on the writing. But it's true.

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You've hit upon something, Jim. and it engaged me with the book as well.

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It's the story. She take us back to that time of growing up and the things you

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went through in your life. And I don't know, you do have a good memory.

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You covered a lot in there, but you brought us into it.

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And I think as with anything, even if it's a memoir, we're there for the stories

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and you have that there in spades.

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It's really a great read.

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And so did you have any anxiety over.

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The telling of your story or you know did you ever

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doubt that perhaps well you know what are people going to

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think or where this needs to be told where was your

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head well those moments are there for you

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and and i think brilliantly about yourself i learned now

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that it's it's it's not easy but i

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i didn't know how hard it was and what when i

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say that i got the cousin that got a you know a master's

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of literature and she said jim is not even on my book this do you realize that's

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the hardest to do and i said you know i said maybe maybe

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that's why i didn't know and i'm probably good i didn't know that i

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just went into a journey and i thought well i could

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tell stories and i knew it but and and we

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talked like i remember carla and telling me exactly we talked about detail

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she had jim nobody writes a book with exact dates

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how do you remember exact dates and i said for me it's always

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been the correlation of something that happened during that

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period of my life like my father's death i could

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always know that date and where i was too or what so

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that that's how i did it but she actually made me take out the actual

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dates for example okay and it made sense but at the time to me but i mean i

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know and like there was you know lots of stores where people like you know how

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do you remember the month again it's about correlation when i some research

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tom like i asked a lot of my family friends about the stores does this make

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sense That's what I told it. And like, I actually sat with an attorney and we had talked around the subject. What if?

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And what if was, you know, what if I said something wrong? And,

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you know, she said to me, first, make sure it's true. Make sure it's positive.

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Don't like, you know, make anybody out to something or not. But it is your memory.

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But at the end of the day, she said, you know, like, do it freely,

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knowing that be truthful to yourself and to the people. No, I never forgot that.

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I'm not the type of person who ever, if I can't help you I'm not going to hurt you that's not who I am,

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Yeah, I get that about you. It's interesting that you mentioned the attorney

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because you don't want to make any mistakes like Harry did with the book Spare.

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You know, you say something and you're thinking, okay, who have I offended or

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what have I opened up here? But then that's something that I hadn't thought of. A very good idea. Good piece of advice.

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And what other kind of advice would you have for anyone starting out to do something

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like this? I think if I was to say to anybody out there that hadn't thought

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about writing a book, just start doing it.

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I mean, the beautiful thing about technology today and computers,

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you know, a prime example, you can write a book on a computer port and shut

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it, like save it, shut it down, leave it for a while, break just a little bit.

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It don't take long. And often while you're reading this, I'm pulling something

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together. But once you do that and you've got a foundation built,

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like a house, you build a foundation first, well, guess what?

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The Carolyn Chaffee person of the world will come in and help put the house

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on top of the foundation. And I think that's the way it's about building blocks. It's about a process.

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Don't go thinking, oh, I got to do this. And my initial doubt was six months, all I was like, why?

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That don't think in terms of time, just think in terms of, I want to get this

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much out and then with some help on the outside.

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But make sure you check the stories because maybe sometimes you're telling a

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story whether it's about yourself or something that you're writing about, you need to fact check.

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And that's something I learned too, that go and ask people that was involved

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in that period and they will give you their feedback and say,

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oh yeah, right, I forgot about that or add something to it.

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You know, again, it's your memories if you're doing what I did and how to biography.

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But again, it's more of a memoir, like it's my memories.

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If I say something that I thought was right in the room and suddenly didn't,

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well, there's still more memories, as long as it wasn't negative or just right

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at the launch, but you need to do something in terms of fact-checking. So I think you do.

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But just do a piece at a time, and you'll be surprised how fast something will come together.

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And when it does, you'll say, wow, I got something.

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Now what do I do? Well, that's when you need an editor. When you do that, it changes everything.

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Thing and you said you expected to

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do it in six months how long did it take you it took

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two years from the time i started writing it

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said the same thing is that yeah it should have took

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you and probably longer because when you read and they say when you write about

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a book it usually takes a lot on and i i don't i didn't know that and i didn't

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think that i just thought i can do this and but you know i mean it's just my

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determination of who i am and if you read the book you you understand my determination that.

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When I want to do something, I do it. You know, I put my, you know,

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if I go in the 100% and I want to do it, and if I don't know something about

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it, I'm going to go see someone that did it or so it can guide me and go to the next step.

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And here's a good example. This is a segue, but probably put it real.

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Like, I've learned how to play golf. Like, I played golf. I was a hacker.

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And learned from a lot of friends. I've changed my games just getting a little

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bit of coaching, a little bit of mentoring. And guess what? You learn it. I guess when you get better, you get better.

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You gotta do it repetitionally and i think that's where

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the book went in terms of writing chronologically and

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all of a sudden adding stories and reformatting and

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changing things around that makes sense and then the flow

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of the book and that be done by the flankers of the world and like i said the

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editors and and it's it is an interesting process but you it's like molding

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something but if you have nothing to work with you have nothing to work with

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so it's to get But we always say get anything down on paper.

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Even if it's a bad writing day, you have something down. At some point,

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you can rework it or move it through to another chapter.

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Well, I was just on an interesting subject. One of the families I wrote with,

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the Tuller's, and there's one of the oldest sister shared with me recently.

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After reading my book, she said, I have everything wrote down over the years,

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data on sheets of paper. And she's 74 years old.

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About her family, all the events of her family. there's a

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family 25 people and i said look if you want help

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with that i can get in and get you to the right

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people and and what it's to me it's a

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book in itself imagine being born and we're like a 25 children and she's got

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dates and of all i mean that's to me the foundation of a book sure sure it is

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and it's amazing the big families like you're alone your family reading about

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your Your family in the book was interesting to keep it straight in growing up.

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So, you know, you had that meeting when you were very young with Martin where

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that seed was planted about the seventh son.

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And you chose that for the title of the book. Can you talk a little bit about

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that? What has that meant to you?

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Well, initially, the book was about, like, I didn't know what to call it.

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And that's the other thing a lot of authors and I find to say that now because,

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you know what I mean? Here I am. But when you're writing a book, sometimes you're not sure about what I call it.

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And my initial thought was, you know, to journey to my success,

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just trying to, you know, and I had to bring something up there just to start. So I did that.

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Ironically when carolyn got involved and it was only mentioned

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once that it was seven son and she said to me this

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is eureka moment should you know and i and

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she hadn't called me she was so excited and she said jim

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i've checked and i can't find a book named seven son take

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the title i said it'll be yours forever and you know

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you'll be the first and and it's you know how

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rare it is now to be a seven stone most families don't

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have big camps and it was a great idea

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but then she said put the next expert

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down below it right you know my journey

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to success so i was like yeah this and and

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that's basically where it started but in terms of the seventh son and meeting

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martin and stuff like that it was one of those moments that i didn't talk about

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a lot because sometimes people in this in the spiritual sense of humanity either

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yours i find that you're you're in it or you're not in And,

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you know, like there's a quagmire when you talk about it, right?

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And for me, it was like, I didn't want, I built on this own way because I know

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things that I didn't want to share. And it almost felt a bit weird. I know that for lack of a term.

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But for me, I was like, it was a sign of my life.

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I'm not suppressed, but I just didn't talk about it. And those experiences is what I talk about.

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And I'll never forget that period when, you know, dad took me to Neatmer.

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And I was like, he told me stuff. And even today, there's times I'll have those deja vu moments.

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And I was like, it's scary. It was. But now I'm almost like, and this is something really profound,

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but most times I just, it hits me here that I know he said these things to me,

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this is what will happen. Or he didn't give in detail, but at the same time, the eureka moments are going to happen, and it does.

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And like I said, meeting like Juan, you know, seventh son of seventh son of

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seventh son. Like I was, never thought that was a possibility.

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And I even checked it. I've actually checked it in, you know,

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the Webster dictionary, it says, like, I want to do a billion,

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like, there's only eight people, eight billion people in the world. So think to the back.

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Mm hmm. They go to that happens so rare.

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And like, you know, it was astonishing when you meet these people and that episode

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of Eat and Die, not to give away the book too much, but, you know,

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that hashing, I mean, it's, well,

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and again, I felt a bit weird just talking about it, you know,

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but it made sense after to segue into that as being the book,

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because it's a part of me.

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And so you know a lot of people often said my family says well you're lucky

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you're very lucky you you know but at the same time they'll say you're so determined

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and you know you're you're not letting up knock you down and you know i have

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had a few knockdowns but that same one has been picking yourself up as we say

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here was lucky i wasn't lazy,

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right because this doesn't come out of thin air so we've talked a lot about

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the writing of the the book, but let's talk a little bit about your story.

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You were a young boy, grew up in Windsor, and I really enjoyed when you were

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telling those parts of the story as well, because it brought back memories of

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growing up in this small town. And we had a lot of things here in this town that small towns in Newfoundland

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didn't have. A lot of experiences. We had segregation, too, between two communities.

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We had a lot of things going on. But as a child and everything you went through

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as you You grew up and you worked. Did you see where you were going?

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Initially, no, because I was really struggling at the very beginning.

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Like I said, I guess when I lost my dad, it was a spot in my life where I was

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really lost. And I didn't know what to do.

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And one of the things I talk about in the book is when I met my future wife

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and her family, the DeWaar family, they were so influential on me in terms of

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their attitude towards education.

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And, you know, how important it was. And, you know, that conversation with,

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you know, the matriarch, you know, Mr. Duar, and it was so, you know, groundbreaking for me in its own way.

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And, like, just those little conversations, you know, prior to having a supper

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up there, you know, on visits. You know, I was dating his daughter, Donna, and it was, you know, like, it was, it hit me.

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And, like I said, it made me think a lot about where I needed to be.

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And, you know, because when you're going to school, in middle school or something

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like that, my teacher would say, you know, it would say stuff like,

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you know, you could do anything and, you know, I guess I was a kid that never took a book home

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and I guess I would catch on and that's the reason why I think they said it,

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but they said other things. I mean, teachers see things in you that you don't see yourself and sometimes

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I, when you go to the peer library, that's when I started school,

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I had a bad shit language over there. There was no, okay, we should take Jim and see somebody. There was none of that. Stuck it up, move on.

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You know, and that's no reflection on, you know, our parents or, you know, family.

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It was just, that's the state of period you're in.

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But in that respect, though, meeting the divorce, it meant so much.

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I look back and think, wow, they really got me thinking differently.

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And then my thoughts went back up. I started to go back and my teacher said,

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wow, they were right. and I didn't see it.

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And, you know, around years later, I meet Mr.

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Bradbury. He said, I knew you'd do something. And I, he said to me,

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I thought you would be in university. You're a university major. I didn't see it. I know it now. I know if I went

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to university now, I can take on anything. I know.

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That's not in, you know, like that's not in bowl. That's just in,

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that's to me, I know what I can do.

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Well, back growing up at the time, we were, this town was a one industry town.

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We had the paper mill people could come out with very little

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education they could I think leave school at grade eight and

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get a well-paying job in the paper mill and be

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set for life so there wasn't that same emphasis on

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education no it certainly was in my experience in life was assumed you were

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going to go to university but there were a lot of people who who didn't a lot

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of people who went walked into really great jobs I don't know great always is

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hard working hard Hard jobs at times, but they paid well.

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And they didn't have to go far from home for it.

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So it was a unique period, I think, in the life of our town and the province.

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And I think those of us who lived through it are the only ones that will probably

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ever truly understand it. Yeah. Yeah. We were lucky because you think about where we were. We had some highest

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paid jobs in the province outside.

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That wouldn't equate to back then there was no offshore. Sure, it was lining.

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And to be a young man growing up in the 70s, most times you were going for a trade.

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There was that element at Flint University. And I had a lot of friends that did that.

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But we didn't, for whatever reason, we just got them with most of those and

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ended up winning Air Forces or trades. And that was just the path we were going to take. And now to choose which one.

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And I was the oddball, I guess. I chose something nobody else in the factory chose. No worries.

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And they didn't understand why. But I think that still goes back to wanting

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to be an initiate part of it. And before that, it was more of a body mechanic.

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So my view was a trade.

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And the trade I picked, nobody else picked. And it was so ironic that...

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I just broke out and went to the mining sector. None of my brothers went to the mining sector.

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So you don't know where life is going to take you, right? No,

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you don't know. But you have to have a general idea, a general thought that you want to get up.

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And you did get involved with real estate. You tried a lot of different things.

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And eventually, I think your consulting company was where it all landed. And you sold it.

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Yep, I did. It was a great experience. Like I said, at the time,

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I was going to hang on because, I mean, I was doing well. I had a lot of good employees.

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Things were going well from the mining sector, as I had thought.

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And all of a sudden, mining is very cyclical, up and down. That's just the way it goes.

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And that's all as a commodity. And in the commodity world, like I said,

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it flows, ebbs and flows. And at one of these times, it just bottomed. And it was a hard time.

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And I could see the end coming for a lot of small companies.

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And the opportunity, you know,

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I was basically, I guess, part of that came from the service I was given.

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And they did not want to see my company fail. They wanted me to be involved somehow with the firm.

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And I think that's where, you know, again, not to give away too much,

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but, you know, somebody stepped in and basically said, hey, you should talk to somebody.

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And that's where it started to. What it did, I was looking at,

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I got to save these 28 badminton. Because, you know, people would have ended up somewhere else. And generally you do.

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That seemed like they didn't like what they were doing. If I could stay there

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and still be involved and still be that person in front of it, they'd like that idea.

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They wanted to stay aboard, so they were going to jump with me, and they did.

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Like I said, it was a good move to move over to the engineering side and just

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for them to purchase new. It was another big journey, right? Mm-hmm.

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And you took a little bit of retirement, but you haven't fully retired.

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You're still doing some work, which I think is the new retirement.

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I really believe that. My father used to say, when I was a young guy, he used to say,

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he was having a lot of friends that were leaving the mill at 65,

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and some weren't even a little bit early because of what, the comical lomangics.

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These guys, they were his buddies, and they were, the last six months,

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they were fretting themselves because they were stressed because they didn't have nothing to do.

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They were outside. So, and dad used to always say, do something outside of work

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that you would try either personally or volunteer or whatever,

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so that way you've got something to do when you were doing it,

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just don't go home, sit down and find the TV. He said, that's, you know, and, and I thought that was so interesting to hear

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that as a young guy, my father who had retired, what he was doing,

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he like, he actually retired, mill forced them at 65 in 1970, that's the way it was.

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He would watch them and then turn around. He was fixing, you know,

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carpentry, like the old cases of boxes.

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He used to do stuff like that all the time. I was like, wow,

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interesting. And when I reached hard, I thought, you know, I'm going to do some golf.

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And I was going to go right into the hole, play some dots of where I'm at.

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And as quick as I went out, bang, I went back in. And, you know,

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that, fair up my truth, is what they say. You know, it's like being in the mouth.

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You think you're out, no sort of draws you back in. I don't know if it's a good

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analogy, but for me it was because, I'm still excited, delighted by the whole process that people are still calling

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me and saying, hey, Jim, I need you out. I just got on call before this process here today, and they asked me,

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I need some help with some leasing of some building in St.

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John's. And they know I can do a bit of everything, which is,

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I'm delighted that they're doing it. And it feels exciting for me to have something to do.

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Well, I'm sure you're going to have something to do. This is going to initiate

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a lot of phone calls, people asking you questions, and I encourage people to read the story.

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It's a wonderful, wonderful look at a positive story.

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And I think you're, as we, I have to wrap, but I think you want to share that

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message with others as part of your vision and also maybe another book in the works.

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I'm third way into another book, and the other part I'm trying to look at now

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is Motivational Speaking to the Hospitals. I want to do that next to some schools

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are now recently and seeing I'm waiting for some feedback so I can look at that.

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So listen, thank you very much for having me. It was a pleasure.

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And it's a pleasure as well. And keep writing. I guess we'll have you back for

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another book when that comes up and have fun on the rest of the journey, Jim.

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It'll be my pleasure to come back. And thank you very much.

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Everyone. Thank you so much for joining us on let's get writing.

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And I look forward to seeing you this season.

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And also, don't forget to subscribe on my YouTube channel at CatherineTaylorTV.

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Thank you. Thanks. Bye-bye. Bye.

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Music.