Community, connection, purpose: these values are almost palpable even in a virtual conversation with Dr. Susan Rogers. Dr. Rogers is an internist, educator, and activist on behalf of those who suffer when profit motives bulldoze the institution

041 - Mining Mintzberg for Management Gold

May 17th, 2022 54m 29s

McGill Business Professor Henry Mintzberg is the author of 20 books on management, creator of two revolutionary international management programs, and the recipient of a mountain of accolades and honors for his thought leadership in the busines

040 - Stanford Physician Writes the Book on Wellbeing

Apr 26th, 2022 46m 35s

Author and certified lifestyle medicine physician, Iris Schrijver, MD, describes a fulfilling and fast-paced academic career at Stanford as a full professor of pathology and director of a molecular genetics research lab. A few years ago, in an

039 - Attorney Drops Truth Bombs about Physician Employment Contracts

Apr 15th, 2022 1h

Attorney and author Dennis Hursh helps physicians navigate their employment contracts. He describes his shock early on in his career when he saw the lopsided language in the contracts offered to his highly trained physician clients. He points o

038 - Physician Leaders Ask about Influence and Incentives

Mar 22nd, 2022 16m 48s

In response to listener questions and comments, we dive into two topics in this episode. The first is influence, especially when managing “up” or when dealing with a high profile colleague. The second topic is incentives. Podcast episode #35 fe

037 - Physician Ownership and Group Wisdom Prevail Through Crises

Mar 8th, 2022 54m 40s

Christopher Obetz, MD, is the CEO of an organization which started with a handful of physicians 30 years ago, and now they have over 150 physicians and APPs. The group staffs nine emergency rooms in the Minneapolis St. Paul area. One year ago,

036 - Physician-Owned Surgery Center Says “Goodbye Insurance…Hello EXCELLENCE!”

Feb 15th, 2022 57m 59s

Dr. Keith Smith cofounded the remarkably successful and wonderfully disruptive Surgery Center of Oklahoma. He and fellow anesthesiologist, Dr. Steven Lantier, left their hospital-based practices in 1997 to launch a physician-owned surgery cente

035 - Incentives Serve the Powerful, Undermine Autonomy, and Gut Creativity

Jan 31st, 2022 29m 25s

Alfie Kohn is a prolific author and expert on the psychological and organizational effects of rewards, incentives and competition. As a longtime fan of his thinking and writing, it was a huge treat (no pun intended) for me to talk with him abou

034 - Value-Based Care: The Programs, the Problems and Why Physicians Must Lead

Jan 21st, 2022 1h 14m

My guest is Dr. Roger Fowler, Vice President, and Chief Medical Director of Quality, Performance and Innovation with CHRISTUS Health in Irving, Texas.As an expert in population health, quality, and healthcare reform, Dr. Fowler offers a rich pe

033 - Physician Autonomy: A Legal Perspective and a Blockchain Solution

Dec 28th, 2021 45m 51s

Leah Houston, MD is a serial entrepreneur, emergency medicine physician, and activist. She is the founder of: HPEC: Humanistic Physician Empowerment Community is a platform physicians can use to own and store their own digital identity and cre

032 - A Voice for Physician Leadership: Essential, Courageous and Magical

Dec 14th, 2021 1h

My guest this week is national healthcare leader Dr. Jack Cochran. As CEO of the Permanente Federation, he was the top national leader for over 20,000 physicians who cared for more than 10 million people in their Kaiser Permanente medical pract

031 - Jung's Physician Archetypes and the Loss of Meaning in Medicine

Nov 30th, 2021 51m 30s

Lisa Marchiano is a Jungian psychoanalyst and cohost of the marvelous “This Jungian Life” podcast. We discuss Swiss psychiatrist Carl Jung’s work and the implications for physicians and the ailing medical profession.Lisa explains that Jung beli

030 - Monetization of the Physician Imagination

Nov 9th, 2021 38m 5s

This episode is a continuation of my animated conversation with Professor J.-C. Spender, a nuclear engineer-turned-business school professor, author, expert on the history of business education, and former executive and business school dean.At

029 - Medicine and Managerialism: A Clash of Values

Oct 19th, 2021 57m 51s

J.-C. Spender, PhD, is an engineer-turned-business school professor, an author, an expert on the history of business education, and he’s a former business executive and business school dean. These credentials equip him to have insight into the

028 - Corporate Practice of Medicine Laws: Employed Physician’s Remedy—or Nightmare?

Oct 5th, 2021 49m 25s

What is the Corporate Practice of Medicine? In this episode, Brad Adatto, a business law and healthcare attorney, takes us on a journey through the intent, implications, and risks associated with state laws that “ban” the corporate practice of

027 - 13 Ways PBMs Profit Mightily and Hurt People

Sep 23rd, 2021 39m 1s

Pharmacy benefit managers, or PBMs, are companies that manage prescription drug benefits for payers like insurance companies, government programs such as Medicare and Medicaid, and self-insured employers. They are the middlemen and money handle

026 - Five Myths that Sabotage Physician Leadership

Sep 7th, 2021 28m 8s

In today’s encore episode, I am sharing an excerpt from an earlier episode discussing mythsabout physician leadership and dispelling those myths with evidence. MYTH: a widely held but false belief or idea Time to bust some of the myths and ste

025 - Don’t Throw Away The Physician Career

Aug 24th, 2021 19m 33s

For today’s episode, I asked Dr. Barbara McAneny about her upcoming talk: Stop Blaming the Doctors! My main intention in asking Barbara to come back on the podcast (she was a guest on Episode #13) was to have her guide me through the malodorou

024 - Burnout and Moral Injury: Products of a Business School Mindset

Aug 10th, 2021 21m 24s

In this encore episode, I’m touching on some of the enormous quantity of research that has been directed at physician burnout. We have clear and convincing descriptions of the causes of physician burnout. What we don’t have, is a lot of actio

023 - To Be a Physician Is To Be a Leader

Jul 29th, 2021 16m 46s

In this encore episode I highlight a portion of my conversation with Dr. Patty Gabow, former CEO at Denver Health. During this 15 minute segment, Patty reacts to my question about the value of physicians’ tacit knowledge and the built-in leade

022 - Provocative Questions and Leadership Challenges

Jun 29th, 2021 55m 21s

In this episode, my longtime colleague and friend Lynn Elliott joins me to take a look at the arc of the Licensed to Lead Podcast’s first season. The first three episodes launched the podcast with data dives to support my foundational beliefs a

021 - If You're Not Happy - You're Not Helping

Jun 4th, 2021 13m 15s

In this first Licensed to Lead “Espresso Shot” podcast—designed to be short but potent— the topic is the unhealthy underbelly of “helping” professions. Cory Katuna and Patty spin-off from their Episode #20 conversation when they talked about Le

020 - Culture, Levels of Energy, and “Leading A Deathbed Life"

May 27th, 2021 58m 3s

Cory Katuna is a professional coach, writer, graphic artist and social influencer. She joins Patty in this episode to talk about the ways her work and Patty’s work intersect, ultimately creating excellent organizational culture that truly brin

019 - Mother-Daughter Discussion on Physician Leadership

May 11th, 2021 37m 35s

In the first of two special Mother’s Day podcasts, I’m in the guest chair along with my daughter, Jamie Katuna. Podcaster Keith Carlson, RN, (aka “Nurse Keith”) starts this interview by asking how we influenced and inspired each other as mom a

018 - Physician Leader and Author Warns the Public of a Dangerous Trend

Apr 27th, 2021 58m 21s

Niran Al-Agba, MD co-authored the book, Patients at Risk—The Rise of the Nurse Practitioner and Physician Assistant in Healthcare, which unearths the confluence of events allowing poorly trained practitioners to diagnose and treat patients. Dr.