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Lights Out! Everybody!

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What's up everybody? Welcome

0:44

back to another episode of Lights Out!

0:47

I'm your host Josh. I'm joined in the studio by my

0:50

boys. We got Austin. Hey man, what's up? I'm good,

0:53

I'm good. And Daniel, producer. What's up man? How's

0:56

it going everybody?

0:57

Today we have a very special

0:59

episode. Highly requested. A big

1:02

topic in the horror world right now. Russ

1:05

McCamey has been exposed

1:08

apparently. And McCamey

1:10

Manor itself is

1:11

fake. It's all a scam. It's all a sham.

1:16

Well, we're here today to get

1:18

to the bottom of what's really

1:20

going on with Russ McCamey and

1:23

McCamey Manor. If you

1:25

watch a lot of YouTube videos, maybe you've

1:27

stumbled across the YouTuber named

1:29

Reckless Ben. He's just done

1:31

a whole series of videos on

1:34

Russ McCamey and McCamey Manor.

1:37

Allegedly exposing him in many

1:39

different ways. And we

1:42

have a lot of thoughts about Reckless

1:45

Ben's investigation into McCamey Manor.

1:48

There's some things we want to set the record straight

1:50

on. But ultimately, we're

1:52

here to break it down. Because

1:54

maybe you're confused. Maybe you don't know what to believe.

1:57

Well, we did a deep dive on

1:59

what's going on.

1:59

on with Russ McKamey, McKamey Manor,

2:02

the recent Hulu documentary that came out,

2:04

Monster Inside, world's most extreme

2:07

haunted house, a lot of allegations came

2:09

out, there's just all sorts

2:11

of things swirling in

2:13

the internet sphere around

2:16

Russ McKamey and his

2:19

supposed extreme haunted

2:21

attraction. So buckle

2:24

up for this one, it's gonna be an extra

2:26

spicy episode. You know

2:28

Russ McKamey, he's been somebody

2:31

that you know I followed for a number of years

2:33

and I just went back to look and see when

2:35

we first covered McKamey

2:38

Manor here on Lights Out it was back in October

2:40

of 2020. So a couple years

2:42

ago and it's

2:44

a totally different time you know middle

2:47

of the pandemic and you know

2:49

I just kind of did an overview

2:51

of it as a haunted attraction kind of pulling

2:54

from his YouTube channel and

2:56

experiences from those who've done tours

2:58

at the manor and so this

3:01

episode is not going to be as much about

3:03

what McKamey Manor is you know what

3:06

people go through necessarily we'll cover

3:08

some of that but if you want more of like

3:10

a generalized overview of McKamey

3:12

Manor and more of like the history of Russ

3:15

and how he created it and all that, that

3:18

episode is really where you want to start before

3:21

you watch this. This is going to

3:23

be more focused on McKamey Manor today,

3:25

Russ McKamey, what's going on with

3:28

him, what's up with Reckless Ben, he

3:30

supposedly got all this secret footage that

3:33

we're waiting to see and

3:35

just all of the allegations swirling as

3:37

a result of that documentary. It is very

3:39

very interesting though and

3:41

we're here to

3:43

save the day and hopefully

3:46

break it down for you in a way that makes

3:48

sense and is based on

3:50

facts,

3:51

most important. That's the big one that's what I was trying

3:53

to go for. What are the facts here?

3:56

Let's get down to brass tacks because

3:59

it's very easy to

3:59

to

4:01

say a lot of things, right? And make

4:03

a lot of accusations towards somebody. And

4:05

Russ McNamee, a very controversial figure,

4:08

I mean, people either love him,

4:11

I mean, he's got almost a cult-like following

4:13

at this point. He's got millions

4:15

of views on his YouTube channel. He's really doing

4:17

something very different in

4:19

the immersive horror world. So

4:22

that being said, before we kind of dive into everything,

4:25

I'm gonna roll a little trailer. That

4:27

includes some footage of McNamee Manor in case you've

4:29

never, ever seen it, never heard of this before,

4:32

you'll have an idea of just how

4:34

fucking crazy this haunted

4:36

attraction really is.

4:39

Let's roll it.

4:41

What's up, everybody? Welcome back to another

4:44

episode of Lights Out. Today,

4:46

we have a very special episode

4:49

highly requested. Russ McNamee

4:52

has been exposed. You

4:54

gotta have the right mindset, the

4:56

right mental stability. I

4:58

don't understand none of

5:00

his expectations. Reckless Ben,

5:03

he's just done a whole series of

5:05

videos on Russ McNamee and McNamee

5:07

Manor. Time to go back to McNamee

5:10

Manor. He warns that he uses 80

5:11

different stunts and challenges that

5:14

involve extreme scaretastics. It's

5:16

all over for you, okay? Physical

5:19

assault and obviously torture. Still

5:21

hands up, why are you crying? Why are you crying?

5:24

Personal on the rocks. That's all it is.

5:26

All persons, he likes to see

5:28

people at peace. Get off

5:30

the property, Dan. Then take

5:32

it to court then. Off the property.

5:42

All right, so let's talk a little bit about the

5:44

man himself, the torture king, the

5:47

PT Barnum of the haunt world. I

5:50

mean, those are some pretty ballsy

5:52

titles. Yeah, the ego already on

5:55

this guy. Says a

5:57

lot, you know, if he's calling himself those things.

5:59

But Russ McNamee Manor, Kami has really built up a very

6:01

controversial reputation over the years. But

6:04

for those that don't know, Russ served for 23

6:06

years in the Navy, mostly

6:08

as a recruiter and also worked as a

6:10

career counselor, which that's,

6:12

I mean, he's a little warm. I imagine sitting

6:15

down with the guy. What's,

6:17

what's crazy too, is that in the

6:19

military, he actually ran haunted houses.

6:22

Um,

6:23

I believe on the ships and whenever

6:25

he was enlisted, there's a couple

6:28

clips, I think in that documentary of some

6:30

of his early, earliest haunts. He was in

6:32

like that band too, I think. Yeah. Yeah.

6:36

So he's been, I mean, he's been a horror fan

6:38

for as long as he's been alive

6:41

and always been obsessed with haunted houses

6:43

and you know, just, you

6:45

like scaring people. Maybe for the

6:48

wrong reasons. Right. And that's

6:50

the thing with Russ is I think there's a clear

6:52

evolution over time. Right. And it's

6:55

hard to say what he was like,

6:58

in his earlier days and his military

7:00

days versus to where he is

7:03

now, could be two completely

7:05

different people, or it could be, you know,

7:07

somebody's kind of keeping a lot of these, you know,

7:10

underlying thoughts to himself and feelings.

7:12

And you know, as he kind of

7:15

gained more power and fame over time, you

7:17

know, the real Russ starts, starts coming out.

7:21

So Russ originally moved

7:23

to the suburban San Diego community

7:25

called Rancho or Rancho Penaschitis,

7:29

which

7:30

was where his earliest haunted, you know,

7:32

attraction began around 1989. And

7:35

it started in a windowless van set up

7:37

in his backyard. And over the years, it really

7:39

expanded into a larger extreme

7:42

haunt experience. You know, at the beginning

7:44

it was kind of that family neighborhood

7:47

haunts, you know, kids could go through and then

7:49

he's like, Oh, you know, I'm kind of getting bored with this. Yeah.

7:52

It was just like a family thing where

7:54

it's like, bring the neighbors over. You can go through my

7:56

haunted house, but yeah, I've slowly

7:59

escalated over the years.

7:59

And pretty soon he

8:02

was like, you know, if we're going to take it to

8:04

this next level, obviously you can't have children

8:07

going inside. That would be, he knows

8:09

that would get shut down almost immediately. And

8:11

it didn't take long before rumors started spreading

8:14

that he was full on torturing people

8:16

inside of his, his home hunt. So

8:19

eventually he tried to move his operation to Illinois

8:21

and Arizona in 2014, but due to quote

8:24

unquote public opposition, they

8:27

basically prevented him from relocating, which

8:29

is crazy to think about. Like,

8:31

imagine just trying to move and they're like,

8:34

no, we've heard about you. Absolutely

8:37

not. Like straight up kicked his ass out of town.

8:39

They're like, we do not want this. There's people

8:42

like praying, I think in front of his house

8:44

and stuff. Or also

8:46

I get it though, because would

8:48

I want to have a constant haunted attraction

8:50

extreme on the next door? That

8:53

would be annoying as hell. Right. He

8:55

later shut down in San Diego Manor

8:58

and he moved operations to his new home in Tennessee

9:00

in 2017. His

9:02

supposed reasons for moving were the high cost of

9:04

living and his house being too close to his

9:06

neighbors. They can imagine like if

9:08

there's people screaming inside of this

9:11

year round haunt, then cops

9:13

are going to get called quite a bit. Yeah. I'm

9:15

just trying to have my morning coffee and then next door

9:17

I hear safety,

9:20

safety. There is no safe word. You're

9:23

wondering what's going on over there. And

9:26

from pretty much the very

9:28

beginning, you know, he's trying to hype

9:30

this up. This is becoming his full blown

9:32

obsession. This is really what

9:35

he's building his reputation off of. And

9:38

so he's always claimed from day

9:41

one, essentially that the man is extremely popular

9:43

and that he has this 20,000 plus person

9:46

wait list, which I

9:48

don't know if that's necessarily true or not. They

9:50

can't fact check that. That's the thing

9:53

that information out there. The

9:55

vault. Yeah. The Russ

9:57

McNamee vault. If it does actually exist. I do think.

10:00

I think based on the popularity, there's probably

10:02

a wait list. Yeah. 20,000 deep.

10:05

I mean, that's pretty insane. Yeah. Although,

10:09

it wouldn't surprise me because again, this

10:12

is kind of groundbreaking what he's doing.

10:14

It's completely different than a lot

10:16

of the other immersive horror experiences out there.

10:20

He's basically kind of marketing

10:22

this as, hey,

10:25

if you thought those extreme haunts like blackout,

10:28

I think there's one called Miasma or Miasma

10:31

or something like that. I think didn't

10:33

they touch on that in the doctor? Yeah.

10:36

I mean, there's a number of them out there, but they

10:38

all do it by the book. What's

10:40

ethical and what's not going to get

10:42

them in legal troubles, especially

10:45

when it comes to having a safety word, making

10:48

sure that your participants

10:50

can opt out at any point in time during

10:53

the show. And that's, you know,

10:55

if it gets too much for them or

10:57

they feel like they're in danger, they can just exit.

11:00

Well, that's where Russ really went the opposite way.

11:03

And one of his biggest controversies is the rumor

11:06

that there's no quitting and

11:08

no safe word. And if anyone

11:10

can supposedly make it through the

11:12

entire tour of the McCamey

11:14

Manor, they'll win a $20,000

11:17

prize, which this

11:20

is a big point of controversy. Because obviously

11:22

no one has ever completed the

11:24

tour. But it's like, what

11:27

is the tour? Nobody even knows what their tour really

11:29

is at the beginning of it. They don't know

11:31

where ultimately is going to go. They don't know what the stopping

11:33

point is. And it would be so easy to

11:36

manufacture a tour where it's impossible

11:38

to get to the end. Right. Yeah.

11:41

Yeah. There's $20,000. I

11:43

will give it to you if you make it, but I will make it impossible

11:46

for you to complete it. Does

11:48

he even have $20,000 to give? In

11:51

what days? I will see a bit later. I don't

11:53

think he does. But the

11:55

other thing that makes his haunt

11:58

very controversial is the fact that he has a massive

12:01

waiver which we'll dive

12:03

into a little bit deeper later on and

12:06

an NDA of course together

12:08

they are 40 pages long

12:11

now

12:12

I can't even remember the last time I've had to sign

12:14

a 40 page contract

12:17

business-wise yeah

12:19

when they were shooting lasers into my eyes

12:21

for LASIK I think I think it was

12:24

like two three pages or something

12:26

yeah yeah and that 40 pages is

12:28

insane I've also I've read all 40

12:31

pages yeah

12:32

even buying a house

12:34

I don't even think I reached 40 pages yeah

12:36

true yeah like maybe 20

12:39

25 pages yeah

12:41

true I still have my packet and I I think

12:43

the amount of documents I signed obviously

12:45

I sold that house but I think it was maybe 15

12:48

signatures yeah

12:50

so like 15

12:52

pages of actual signatures and maybe like 30

12:55

40 pages worth of documents so imagine

12:58

going to an extreme

13:00

haunt you know go to a haunted house and they're like

13:03

all right here's a stack of papers you gotta

13:05

read through and sign before we

13:07

even let you begin the tour yeah and

13:09

you're like should I get my lawyer to

13:11

look through this right do I need to redline this before

13:13

we and honestly a

13:16

lot of the controversy stems

13:18

from what's in the waiver and what

13:21

people sign versus what actually

13:23

goes on in it and people not

13:26

under and this is why this is a great point

13:30

get a lawyer to review any sort of

13:32

legal agreements you know if it's an actual

13:34

legal agreement or just any waiver for that

13:36

matter especially one that's 40 pages long because

13:39

you need to be able to protect yourself yeah and

13:41

I'm surprised that a lot of people just just

13:43

signed it the way that it was it's kind

13:45

of yeah even just reading

13:47

some of the things and just

13:50

using your common sense I think you'll be able to

13:52

see it some of those things are ridiculous because

13:55

in the waiver itself he warns that

13:57

he uses 80 different stunts and challenges

14:00

that involve extreme scare tactics, live

14:02

animals and insects, hypnosis, physical

14:06

assault and obviously torture.

14:08

Participants might have their head shaved, be shot 100

14:11

times with paintballs, be

14:13

buried alive, possibly drowned to death,

14:15

have to drink their own urine, have their

14:18

teeth extracted without anesthesia,

14:21

get tattooed, get drugged, and

14:23

be forced to engage in various homemade

14:25

torture contraptions, etc.

14:27

He's like jigsaw, you know,

14:30

without the real

14:32

gore. Many of the videos

14:34

of the tours have gone very viral

14:36

on Russ's YouTube page, which obviously

14:39

for a guy like Russ,

14:42

the YouTube channel I think

14:44

is his crown jewel. Yeah.

14:47

Because I think

14:49

first and foremost,

14:51

if you remove everything else, all the allegations

14:53

and all the controversial shit,

14:55

Russ

14:57

is a wannabe showman. You

14:59

know, he desperately wants to

15:01

make, you know, these

15:04

haunts, but ultimately I think he's more

15:06

into the filmmaking and

15:09

he's very into editing them and

15:11

obviously he records every participant's

15:13

tour and that

15:16

part of it I think is almost the most enjoyable

15:18

part for him. And I think that

15:21

was the most lucrative part too for a

15:23

very long time. Right. Like I

15:25

don't think we would really know or care about McKeemie

15:28

Manor without those crazy videos.

15:30

Right. Well, it's a great self-promotion

15:33

strategy. Yeah. To post

15:35

these up on YouTube, many

15:38

of you probably watched a number of his videos. I know

15:40

I've spent hours on his channel watching

15:43

through participants' tours

15:45

and then especially the interviews afterwards

15:47

where they're just all shaken up. A lot of them are crying.

15:50

I mean, and he's sitting

15:52

there asking them

15:54

how they like it and

15:57

then there's controversy with that as well because it's like

15:59

what you're seeing on the YouTube channel may not actually

16:02

be the reality of what the participants really

16:05

felt about their tour. And

16:07

he's editing the videos in such a way

16:10

that makes him look

16:12

good, makes his attraction

16:14

look good, and hopefully drives more interest for

16:16

people to want to come join in. And

16:20

you know the whole monetary

16:22

structure behind McKeemie Manor is one that's

16:24

very mysterious to this day.

16:27

I think a lot of people still are

16:30

very very confused as to how he

16:33

has funded his

16:34

McKeemie Manor operations.

16:50

One

16:57

way that I think he obviously

17:01

generates revenue

17:03

is through the

17:13

livestreams that he does. So there's a private

17:15

internet group for McKeemie Manor that

17:17

gets to watch the livestreams of

17:20

the tours. I don't think every single one,

17:22

especially in the past, was livestreamed necessarily.

17:25

But more recently that's

17:27

kind of what he's moved to is this livestream

17:30

to this big private audience

17:32

that he has. Yeah because he doesn't post anymore

17:34

on YouTube. I think it's strictly livestreaming

17:36

now. Which I think he uses Facebook

17:38

a lot. And yeah Facebook

17:40

is way more strict

17:43

when it comes to what you're able to put

17:46

out there. Although I will say Facebook

17:49

has livestreamed mass shootings and

17:52

things like that before. So I

17:54

think they're a little bit slower

17:56

to take some of that stuff down. And I

17:59

think when you stream to a private group it

18:01

might be a little bit differently because you don't have to worry about

18:03

people reporting it as much because

18:05

they're there to, you know, they know what they're getting into and they're

18:08

watching it versus people just

18:10

publicly stream to their Facebook page. But

18:13

I think he ran into a lot of issues with YouTube,

18:15

especially in the last couple of years.

18:17

YouTube really went through this major

18:20

clamp down on content. I mean, the

18:22

Lights Out channel got severely impacted

18:25

by the clamp downs that it did, especially

18:27

on the more graphic content,

18:29

any content associated with torture, whether

18:32

it's real or fake. And so I think

18:34

for a while, especially in the early days of his

18:36

YouTube channel, he probably was making a ton of money.

18:39

I mean, you get a million views on a video or even

18:41

hundreds of thousands of views on a video, you're

18:43

making thousands and thousands of dollars. So

18:46

clearly Russ is probably

18:48

funding most of his operation through his YouTube

18:50

channel. I think he probably

18:52

get, has some private donors as well who

18:54

are just, you know, supporters

18:57

who just want to back him and, and keep

18:59

it going. But I also, I mean, he was

19:01

in the military for 20 plus years.

19:03

He probably has some retirement with that as well. So

19:07

it's not this huge

19:09

surprise to me that he has been able to keep it

19:11

going for as long as he has. And again, this is ultimately

19:14

when you look at the manner

19:17

itself, it's really

19:19

not that special, right? It's not like he has

19:21

like state of the arts, you

19:23

know, animatronics and

19:25

all of these fancy haunted

19:28

house attraction, you

19:30

know, gear and all that stuff. It's really

19:32

just like cages and tools.

19:35

He made himself. He's

19:37

like, what kind of shit can I make myself? And he's

19:39

doing it out of his own property too. So,

19:42

and I don't know if, I wonder if he's,

19:46

I'm assuming he's probably, did he

19:49

make this a nonprofit? I'm trying to remember his,

19:52

is this situation a nonprofit and that's

19:54

how he's like evading taxes. I don't

19:56

know exactly if it's a nonprofit

19:59

because

20:00

you know it's the dog food thing right it's

20:03

either like four canes of dog food or kibble

20:06

which I think are technically just donations

20:09

yeah I was trying to I'm trying

20:11

to remember if that was ever released

20:13

because I thought from

20:15

the beginning he set it up as

20:18

a nonprofit hence why he does the

20:20

donations with

20:22

the dog food that it's like a nonprofit

20:25

for his greyhounds but I could

20:27

be wrong on that oh yeah there it

20:29

is well at least it's San Diego

20:31

it does look like

20:33

he did set it up as a nonprofit it's

20:36

probably it's a nonprofit because I always

20:38

thought he used the dog food to feed his

20:41

dogs or whatever I guess what he does

20:43

is that dog food was donated

20:46

and allegedly he then donates

20:48

it to an animal shelter so

20:50

it's that's how he gets away with it yeah

20:54

so that that to me is I mean

20:56

obviously there's a lot of issues

20:58

when it comes to the IRS

21:01

and all that which you know we'll touch on a little bit later

21:03

as well but the whole way that

21:05

he's funding this operation is you know

21:07

raised a lot of eyebrows there's rumors there's

21:09

all sorts of gossip online about how he's potentially

21:12

putting this out to the dark web and you

21:14

know he's getting funding through illicit

21:16

means and again we don't necessarily

21:19

have proof of that I think it's very I think it's definitely

21:21

a possibility but it seems like

21:23

really he grew his audience and now he's

21:25

catering the content to that audience that follow

21:28

him oily but

21:31

the waiver claims that these viewers

21:33

are live audience in Las Vegas the Philippines

21:36

and or Thailand which is I

21:38

don't really know what to make of that that's

21:41

very weird if he just try that might

21:43

be more smoke and mirrors where he's just totally

21:45

make it see who Thailand there's taboo

21:47

things there type thing seems

21:50

that's what he's kind of alluding

21:52

to but only about one to three people

21:55

are able to attend the manor in one week

21:58

and guess as you probably know often

22:01

leave severe

22:03

injuries, welts, bruises, swollen faces.

22:05

I mean people have to be hospitalized

22:07

sometimes after going through the manner and

22:11

again you sign the waiver you basically

22:14

are you know signing that

22:16

I release

22:18

all

22:20

you know

22:21

responsibility of what

22:23

happens to me during this experience but

22:25

again from a legal perspective I

22:27

think there's some some hiccups there.

22:30

Yeah we will deep dive

22:32

into the legality of the waiver a bit

22:34

later for sure. But

22:37

again through the videos you can really see you know

22:40

participants and their experience and just

22:42

how mentally

22:44

physically drained they are at

22:46

the end of their tours and

22:49

in a lot of these post tour

22:51

interviews

22:52

you

22:53

know Pete whether they're giving them on his YouTube channel

22:55

but more so the people that come out after the fact

22:57

on their own post their own videos

23:00

online about their experiences they

23:03

really elaborate to just how extreme it was

23:05

and how far

23:07

beyond anything

23:09

they could have imagined Russ's

23:13

mccammy manner really was and

23:15

they claim that Russ during it

23:18

seemed to be quote-unquote getting off on

23:20

the pain inflicted on them

23:23

and again another big point of controversy

23:26

like we mentioned Russ doesn't charge any money for

23:29

the experience and it's

23:31

just dog food how you get in depending

23:34

on how far you get on this tour though these

23:37

items might be refunded to you

23:39

but currently Russ

23:41

also works as a cashier

23:44

at Walmart so clearly

23:46

especially for looking at Russ today

23:49

this is not a major lucrative

23:52

business as far as we know again just because

23:54

he's working at Walmart doesn't mean anything whatsoever

23:56

it does signify

23:58

that If he could just

24:00

do the manner full time would he be working

24:03

at Walmart right maybe maybe

24:05

not but then again I think there's more

24:07

to the story there that we just don't know I think there's

24:10

Probably tax reasons and legality

24:12

there for why he now has this other

24:15

job as well Yeah, and the question of who

24:17

was actually funding the operations

24:19

beforehand, right? If it was possibly

24:22

a domestic partner a girlfriend Sarah

24:24

Sarah, we don't know his finances

24:26

No, just will never be able to get a hold

24:29

of that. So yeah, we're purely speculating

24:31

based on the information that's available to us

24:33

Yeah, but again, there's a lot we don't know

24:35

and until Russ kind of unveils

24:38

at all, which I don't think he ever will but

24:40

if he did That's the only

24:42

way it will know. Yeah, and I think I think

24:45

Russ loves Having

24:47

that behind a curtain. It'll like a lot of things

24:49

behind curtains, which is why he's gotten

24:51

such a huge kind

24:53

of niche following That

24:55

has just a ton of drama behind

24:58

it You go online

25:00

you go to the Facebook groups. There's that

25:03

there's the people forum and against

25:05

him just full disclosure I

25:07

had to sift through quite a lot of drama

25:10

researching this

25:13

It's everywhere and

25:15

It's hard to dig

25:18

past the drama and get to the

25:20

facts So just I'll

25:22

let you know right here. We're gonna be digging into

25:24

the drama. We're gonna try to parse through

25:27

what's real What's not but essentially

25:29

his followers they've been accused of

25:31

being cult like And

25:33

the people who are against him as

25:35

haters are equally as passionate so

25:38

it's just a very passionate people who

25:42

all they have in common is Russ McNamee and

25:44

they love getting into the details and the drama

25:46

of it both are equally as Obsessed

25:49

with Russ McNamee just in different ways and

25:52

They've his haters

25:54

have accused him of many things. Here's

25:56

here's a Short

25:59

list they could be long but they've accused

26:01

him of fraud, being a narcissist,

26:03

being a psychopath, a sadist, a murderer,

26:06

a pedophile. Even

26:08

family members, ex-girlfriends have cut

26:10

him out of their lives for various reasons, which

26:13

we'll get into a little bit later. And

26:15

today there's actually almost, I don't know if it finally

26:18

has reached its goal, but there are almost 200,000

26:20

signatures on a 2019 Change.org

26:25

petition for the McCamey Manor. I think

26:27

that started back in 2017. I

26:31

can't remember the year, but it's been several years

26:33

and I think they're just about to hit

26:35

their goal. Which, I mean

26:38

as I've learned firsthand, Change.org

26:40

doesn't do anything. Like

26:43

nothing happens. Like we've done this for actual,

26:46

like, true crime cases that we've been a part

26:48

of trying to help families via

26:50

Change.org and we achieved

26:53

our goal and literally nothing happened. It doesn't do anything.

26:55

You know, I think it's more of a way to rally

26:58

people and just show people how

27:01

many people care about something and

27:03

allow other people to connect about a, you

27:05

know, a cause they care about. So I think

27:07

it's good in that regard. What do you, I

27:10

really find this cult-like

27:12

following and really,

27:15

you know, he's this ringleader. He's,

27:17

you know, a cult leader to some.

27:20

It's very interesting to me because when

27:23

we covered blackouts, there

27:25

was almost the same kind of vibe going on

27:27

there. Yeah, and actually for those

27:29

that don't know, Josh

27:31

Randall, the, one of the

27:33

creators of blackout, ended

27:35

up, you know, commenting on our

27:38

episode and started, actually started following

27:40

the show and you

27:42

know, he said the word himself. Yeah,

27:45

cult. Cult-like. I think even

27:47

in his Instagram post the next day, yeah,

27:50

we posted, he was like, do you guys remember when I

27:52

ran an immersive horror cult? Yes,

27:54

that's what he said. Yeah, so when

27:57

he said that, it kind of made a lot

27:59

of sense. because I think there's

28:02

something very special

28:06

about this immersive horror experience,

28:09

that because it's so impactful,

28:13

that people are literally

28:16

changed by it. And now many people will attest that

28:18

after going through an extreme

28:21

haunt, that they are changed

28:23

for better or for worse afterwards. And

28:26

ultimately, depending on who you are and what type

28:29

of experience you have, kind

28:31

of determines whether you become a hater

28:35

or a follower of it. And I think that's very interesting

28:37

that this world has

28:40

started emerging. And obviously, Russ

28:42

has taken that and run

28:45

with it as far as he possibly can. I

28:47

mean, I think what's a group have, like 30,000 plus members?

28:52

Yeah, several thousand and growing, especially

28:55

with the newer drama I've noticed and the numbers

28:57

kept

28:58

pumping up.

28:59

But no, Russ loves it. And

29:01

I think even with his haters, I think he

29:03

plays into it a bit.

29:06

He loves his controversy, what he's

29:08

about. Well, they say

29:11

that bad publicity is still

29:14

good. Still publicity at

29:16

the end of the day and still gonna get more eyes on your stuff.

29:18

And so by everybody talking about it, hating

29:21

on it, ultimately, he's

29:23

loving it. It's helping him, it's helping him reach more

29:26

people, having YouTubers, having us

29:28

cover his attraction, ultimately

29:33

helps him. And obviously, we're here

29:35

kind of looking at this from a more neutral

29:37

point of view. And we have some personal

29:39

thoughts on obviously the

29:41

extreme haunt experience, what he's done to people

29:44

and Russ himself. But for

29:46

the sake of this episode, we're really trying to just look

29:49

at this from a more neutral point of view to really

29:51

look at the facts here and then we'll give you our

29:53

personal opinions towards the end. Yeah,

29:56

I just wanted to put that out there in case some of you think

29:58

we're like sympathizing us or we're like,

30:01

you know, we're doing a video in support of him.

30:03

That's not what this is at all. We're really just trying to look at this

30:06

from a neutral

30:08

and an investigative point of view of like, what

30:11

do the facts actually say? Because right now there's

30:13

so many things being thrown out there

30:16

and rumors swirling around and YouTubers making

30:18

videos about this and just kind of like jumping

30:20

on the hype train or the hate

30:22

train, whichever it is, and just

30:25

regurgitating stuff that doesn't

30:28

have factual basis and reality. Well,

30:31

that's what we're trying to look at. Exactly.

30:34

And it's very hard to parse through with such

30:36

passionate haters and

30:39

cult-like followers. So

30:42

I found this funny. So the

30:44

haters, they'll try to expose him and then

30:48

obviously his dedicated fan base will try to

30:50

debunk those claims and

30:52

then they'll even go so far as to

30:55

online bully those people. They

30:58

call his supporters

31:01

Flying Monkeys, which I think they're referencing

31:03

in The Wizard of Oz. You know, the Wicked

31:06

Witch of the West. So I think in that metaphor,

31:09

Russ is the Wicked Witch of the West, which

31:11

is hilarious. In general,

31:13

it seems like many of his followers and haters,

31:15

they both like to milk the

31:18

controversy. I don't think, I

31:21

don't want to generalize everybody who's a part of it,

31:23

but both sides actively

31:26

play into this mystique

31:29

Russ as this crazy

31:31

guy. Or he's like, this dude

31:33

that's helping people, either both

31:35

sides kind of put him in this glorifying

31:38

light, right? They either villainize

31:41

the shit out of him or they think

31:43

he's the greatest thing ever. And I think both

31:45

are a little problematic, which we'll touch on

31:48

a little bit later.

31:49

So this

31:50

is just me coming from me who had

31:52

to research all this and it's kind of a nightmare

31:54

getting through things. So we're going to parse through

31:57

all the accusations that have been made. and

32:00

we're gonna try and just expose what is

32:02

truth, what are the lies, what

32:04

are the exaggerations too, which we'll

32:06

see, I think exaggerations come more into

32:08

play here than truth and lies. And

32:11

then we'll also try and touch on, have

32:13

there been any potential crimes actually

32:16

committed here? The rabbit

32:18

hole though, it goes forever.

32:20

It's deep. I could not find the end after

32:23

watching a gajillion videos reading

32:25

a gajillion articles, finding all

32:27

these blog posts and pages and Reddit

32:29

posts. So we're just

32:31

gonna try and parse through it all for you guys.

32:35

We're gonna start with Reckless Ben. Reckless

32:37

Ben, shout out man. Yeah,

32:40

he's really dredged up a lot of this here

32:42

and a lot of our fans hit us up after

32:45

the Black Hat episode and said, hey, check out

32:47

Reckless Ben stuff, McNamee Manor

32:49

is a lie, et cetera, et cetera. So we'll

32:51

start here. Ben has spent

32:54

roughly the past three months trying

32:56

to debunk a lot of the McNamee Manor

32:58

mystique. I

33:01

guess. I think using

33:04

the word expose a lot and scam

33:06

and pretty

33:08

large accusations. And like

33:10

you've said many times on the show, extraordinary

33:14

claims require extraordinary evidence.

33:17

If you're gonna put that out there, you gotta have it to back

33:19

it up. Well, Reckless

33:21

Ben claims he has the evidence

33:24

to back it up, but we'll let you be the

33:26

deciders of that. So we've basically

33:29

gone through his videos. We've pulled

33:31

out all the important parts of it, kind

33:33

of put it together for you so that you can kind of, it's

33:36

a lot of content he's put out there. I think he's lots of like six

33:38

videos or something and they're all like half hour

33:41

to an hour long. And he's done some

33:43

live streams too. Live streams, podcasts.

33:45

I mean, this has been a huge

33:48

sort of break for Reckless Ben and his channel and

33:51

his career on YouTube. And

33:54

I do have to say before we get into all

33:56

this, I just wanna say that Ben,

33:58

I give you pride.

33:59

props for going

34:02

as far as you could

34:04

and getting

34:07

involved, meeting the man himself,

34:10

really trying to get that

34:13

first person perspective on all of this.

34:18

For that, I commend you for your effort because

34:21

a lot of people wouldn't do that. We're

34:23

not doing that. We're just pulling from

34:25

what we can find online and

34:27

research wise, we've never talked

34:29

to us ourselves, so we

34:31

don't have that perspective to share. For

34:34

that, I think you've done a great

34:36

job. However, some

34:38

of the things that he's

34:41

put out there and

34:42

it's very evident

34:44

from his YouTube videos, just the titles and

34:46

thumbnails themselves, I think there's some more

34:49

questionable things that

34:52

came out.

34:54

Let us dive in. Ben

34:58

actually went and applied for McCamie

35:00

Manor, sent an email to Russ and

35:04

Russ bumped him to the front of

35:06

the line and he accepted

35:08

the invitation to go through McCamie Manor. During

35:10

a phone call, Russ explained the dangers Ben

35:13

was getting into. He called the tour

35:15

a quote unquote Indiana Jones

35:17

ride on steroids. He

35:19

claimed there were 80 different activities involved

35:21

and Ben could end up getting really hurt or even

35:24

killed. Russ also

35:26

explained that one of his guests had died there and

35:28

he made it sound more like a promotion of his

35:31

manner because obviously he wants

35:33

this to seem dangerous and seem

35:35

scary. So what's the worst thing that could

35:37

happen?

35:38

Well, you're

35:39

not going through this. And

35:41

so he uses that sort of as

35:43

a promotional

35:44

point.

35:46

The victim supposedly drowned in

35:48

a stunt called the quote unquote

35:50

spectrum that involved a 200 yard underwater

35:53

swim. And he told Ben he'd be doing the same

35:55

challenge to prepare himself and practice

35:57

holding his breath covering. and

36:00

hedgehogs in his bathtub and

36:02

watching old McAmie Manor videos on YouTube.

36:05

And their phone call Russ also admitted that he knew

36:07

who reckless Ben was and asked if he was

36:09

trying to do investigative work on McAmie

36:12

Manor. Very important

36:14

point there. Ben

36:16

lied and said no. But

36:19

Russ reminded him he was going to have to sign

36:21

an NDA. But Ben was planning

36:23

on breaking that NDA and also capturing

36:25

the livestream footage of himself going through the manor.

36:28

The livestream is only supposed to be watched by a private internet

36:31

group that supported Russ but Ben

36:33

claimed that he had quote unquote hacked

36:35

into their livestream. When signing

36:38

the waiver in NDA Ben then switched the damages

36:40

amount he would agree to pay from $50,000 to $1 and he

36:42

actually mailed Russ a $1 bill. He

36:49

was given coordinates and told where to go after

36:51

dressing up in a duck costume. They

36:53

put him in upside down glasses and

36:55

a shot collar in his leg and then forced him to exercise

36:58

for an unknown amount of time to wear

37:00

him out. Here's a short video

37:04

of what's going on.

37:06

And this just before we play this it

37:09

seems like in recent days Russ

37:11

has changed the way that

37:13

he does things at the manor and now

37:15

it starts off with like this humiliation

37:18

phase of like making you dress

37:20

in this ridiculous costume and I do believe

37:22

he's done this for a long time but it seems like

37:25

he's putting more emphasis on this. It's like the way

37:27

that he weeds out people in a way. It's

37:29

like can you get through this strenuous exercise

37:32

that I put you through in ridiculous costumes

37:35

before to see if you're capable

37:37

of going through the rest of the tour. So

37:40

this is from Reckless Ben's channel.

37:42

We're just going to play a short little clip so you can just get an idea

37:45

of what we're talking about

37:47

here. They

37:48

gave me a pair of upside down glasses making

37:50

my whole world look like this. Whoa.

37:53

I'm going to get so good at this. Next. There's

37:55

dog shot collars around my leg. Ahh!

37:58

Ahh! So if you like,

38:01

you know, don't do what you need to do or anything,

38:04

then you get zapped. It instructed me to start doing

38:06

exercises and more exercises.

38:08

It was exercise after exercise with

38:10

no breaks. Well,

38:12

if I take a little break, I can call you more. Oh,

38:14

there's no break. Okay, keep going. All

38:17

right.

38:18

So I've been doing these exercises for about an hour

38:20

now. I started to think to myself, wait,

38:23

I thought this was supposed to be a haunted house. Did

38:25

I show up to the right place? And then

38:28

things took a little bit of a turn and not

38:30

like things got scarier. Things just

38:32

got weird. Bring over the paint and

38:35

glare. Once you're placed, paint them up

38:37

good. Awesome.

38:39

Yeah, there you go.

38:42

Yeah, so that's a bit of what's

38:45

going on there. Not exactly

38:48

what you would think that Mckamey

38:50

Manor would look like, right? Because

38:52

going from the YouTube channel to this

38:55

night and day, right? Which

38:59

it is very, it is a dramatic

39:02

change from what we've seen

39:04

in the past. And I

39:08

get it. It's not what you would

39:10

expect, right? So in that

39:12

sense, at

39:14

this point in time, if you were Ben, would

39:17

you kind of feel scammed a little bit? Yeah, I'd be

39:19

like, why am I doing jumping jacks

39:21

right now? Why are you watching me work out in a

39:23

duck costume? I mean, and Russ is clearly

39:26

loving it. So yeah, that's

39:29

just a little clip of

39:32

what Ben was dealing

39:34

with. I mean, it seems like Russ's point

39:37

is to see how tough

39:39

you are for one. I mean, he wants to also

39:41

break you down and make you completely exhausted

39:44

before you go through

39:46

the rest of the tour. I think

39:48

that is key. I think he

39:51

sleep deprivation and exhaustion. He

39:53

plays into that a lot because obviously

39:56

when you're sleep deprived or exhausted,

39:58

you can't tolerate as much.

40:00

So that's absolutely

40:02

his tactic and his goal. Yeah,

40:04

he's like, hmm. You know,

40:06

if I break you down before the tour even

40:08

begins, then it's going to be a better tour and

40:11

ultimately for Russ. Better footage,

40:13

hopefully. So

40:16

because Ben couldn't finish the

40:18

challenge, this initial one, his tour is

40:20

about to end, but Russ promised to let him continue

40:23

if he begged. After some moderate begging,

40:25

they let him continue, but he couldn't make it through a

40:27

tunnel. If he had kept going, he

40:29

supposedly would have had to crawl through 200 yards of tunnel in

40:32

a straight jacket. They decided

40:34

to give him one more chance though. He'd have to remove

40:36

a straight jacket while inside a closed coffin

40:39

and find four keys. Oh,

40:41

it's like magic tricks sound like.

40:44

So after getting him in the coffin, they blasted him with water

40:46

and then waterboarded him. He failed to

40:48

complete the challenge, but they yet again

40:50

let him continue. Now

40:52

he entered a maze on the ground that he had to crawl

40:54

through blindfolded. He had to find a plexiglass

40:57

container filled with quote unquote mice

41:00

and then the timer would begin. After

41:02

finding a key, a board would flip over and release

41:04

mice and water into the maze,

41:07

which was an assistant spraying water at the

41:09

cloth mask on his head

41:11

to quote unquote waterboard him.

41:13

One of the cage doors in the maze broke and he

41:15

failed the challenge. By now,

41:17

Ben didn't think the challenges were even possible.

41:20

They gave him one more chance though. And

41:22

there was one last stunt to complete before he could

41:24

actually get inside of the quote

41:27

unquote manor, which was just more waterboarding

41:29

with his head in a tank. And then they

41:32

held chainsaws in front of his face. Once

41:34

he finally made it to the quote

41:36

unquote manor, they placed him in an elevator

41:38

contraption when Russ's assistant who had been

41:41

filming said the phone battery was

41:43

almost dead. So they ended the session,

41:45

brought Ben back to the yard and

41:47

let him go.

41:49

And then

41:51

Ben claimed there was no manor,

41:54

which is why the challenge ended.

41:57

I don't blame him at all for coming to that conclusion.

41:59

and it seems like some

42:02

buffoonery is going on here. Oh, the battery's

42:05

low, well, that's it.

42:07

Granted,

42:08

yes, he failed the challenges before that and

42:10

they let him keep going, but

42:13

I don't know. Seems weird. Also,

42:15

if you're live streaming these whole things, why

42:18

wouldn't you have a battery backup for this? Because

42:21

if they're monetizing that live stream, wouldn't

42:23

they want it to continue so their fans

42:25

could see? I don't know. Would

42:28

it just be that Russ has gotten extremely

42:30

lazy? I 1000% agree with that.

42:34

I tend to think, this guy's been at this for

42:36

a long time, and

42:39

I'm sure that

42:41

the people that work for him don't work for

42:43

free, most likely. And

42:45

so A, he doesn't have the resources

42:48

that he used to. He doesn't have the

42:50

same amount of people working for him. I mean, he used to have

42:52

a whole crew. I mean, when I covered this

42:54

a couple years ago, I think he was like six

42:56

deep when it came to actors that

42:59

were working for him. And I

43:02

think he's fallen on hard

43:04

economic times, and

43:07

he wants to reap the most

43:09

reward for the least amount of work. And

43:12

so in my mind, everything that he's doing

43:14

right now is to accomplish that. And

43:18

I think Russ is a little bit smarter than

43:21

you may think there, Ben, that I

43:23

think he knew what you were really there

43:26

for. So he was gonna call it, because it's really,

43:28

yeah. I feel like

43:30

Ben, you could have played into it a little

43:32

bit better, like really tried

43:35

harder to be convincing to Russ

43:37

that you were really there for the experience versus

43:40

the YouTube video that you shot. I

43:42

hate to say that, but it's just, that's the

43:44

way that I kind of take the video

43:47

is that Russ felt like

43:49

you were kind of mocking him throughout

43:52

it. And obviously

43:54

there's a benefit for you. There's a benefit

43:56

for Russ as well. Obviously it's like a YouTube

43:59

collab video. I know it on right here. Two

44:01

YouTubers making a video, and I think Russ

44:04

kind of maybe sounded

44:06

the alarm because he knew that if he took it further

44:08

that this was not gonna end well for him. So

44:11

he did what was smart for him, and that was just

44:14

end the tour before you could

44:16

go further and further into it. Because maybe

44:18

there were things that you were going to experience

44:20

had you played

44:23

along in the experience, or which obviously

44:26

you went through a lot of shit. And

44:29

I would have probably tapped out way sooner than you

44:32

did. So kudos to you for going as

44:34

long as you did. However,

44:36

it does seem like Russ maybe

44:39

sniffed you out a little bit. Yeah, because he even called,

44:41

like when they were on the phone call beforehand, he's like,

44:44

oh yeah, I've heard about you. I know you are.

44:46

I think they do a little, not background

44:48

checks, but they kind of look into who's coming

44:50

along for this exact

44:53

reason. So he probably knew something was

44:55

up. Also, I did wanna mention

44:57

that you were saying, oh, well, he once had

44:59

a team of like six people. Even the

45:01

guy, his assistant in these videos later

45:05

supposedly quits. He's

45:07

not even by like after like the

45:10

third, fourth video that Rick was been

45:12

post, that guy's already done

45:14

with it. So he probably can't afford his

45:16

employees. He can't really afford

45:19

doing these things anymore. He's getting older. Yeah,

45:22

and that's kind of how I take it is that he's

45:25

just, he doesn't have

45:27

the fire anymore to

45:29

do these things, the

45:31

traditional haunt way. It's

45:33

like he's created this impossible obstacle

45:36

course almost with a little bit of waterboarding

45:38

thrown in. They're constantly spraying

45:40

people in the face with water.

45:42

Because

45:43

everybody's afraid of drowning.

45:45

So that's a very easy way to scare people,

45:48

right? Yeah. Is we're gonna

45:50

make you think you're gonna drown, be drowned, or

45:52

he does the buried alive a lot too. He

45:55

does those two forms of like torture

45:58

to get people to tap. out on

46:00

a bit, which don't get me wrong, both of those things are

46:02

terrifying. So I get why people usually tap

46:05

out

46:06

during the waterboarding or being buried. But

46:09

to me, if you're looking at this

46:11

from an entertainment standpoint, you remove

46:13

kind of the, he just likes to torture people.

46:16

As somebody

46:18

in the haunted industry, those

46:21

to me seem very lazy and unoriginal.

46:24

And 100%, you're basically just

46:26

tapping into our monkey brains

46:28

of like, no, no drown, no drown,

46:32

no air, no good. Yeah. It's

46:35

very simple to get that reaction

46:37

out of people. So the creativity

46:39

is plummeted here clearly majorly

46:42

plummeted. In another video

46:44

to expose Mckay me manner, Ben got his friend

46:46

and fellow YouTuber Danny Burke, shout out Danny Burke

46:49

to do a tour and try to make it into the

46:51

manner. In the Mckay me manner

46:53

exposed Facebook group, there have been allegations

46:55

over the years that the manner doesn't even exist.

46:58

And the experience was only in Russ's front

47:00

and backyard.

47:02

Others who have tried asking questions during the experience,

47:04

like when were they getting to the quote

47:06

unquote house? They've been

47:09

punished as a result. Once

47:11

Danny got to the property, the man and wear a tiger jumpsuit

47:13

and upside down goggles, just like Ben. They

47:16

also put three dog shock collars on him

47:18

and made him crab walk while carrying a 50 pound

47:21

of dog food in his lap. Just

47:23

like that. They were trying to wear him

47:25

out.

47:26

They made him do jumping jacks. I like it. It's

47:28

just kind of funny to me. Their process got like a stopwatch room.

47:31

It's like a fucked up gym class. And

47:35

I get it. Like people,

47:37

the mystique is dying

47:40

if not dead. Right? Like,

47:43

yes. Compared to what it used to

47:45

be. I get it. You're expecting it

47:47

to be. Like for example,

47:50

blackout level. And

47:52

that's where I think, Black God

47:54

has like paid actors. Paid actors.

47:57

It's like a full blown business that they

47:59

had. warehouse they're running out

48:01

of and I think that's what people not McCamey

48:05

Manor yeah is was but

48:08

when you look back and if you actually

48:10

see the history of Russ

48:13

McCamey that wasn't really never

48:15

a thing no it was for a short amount of

48:17

time when he had

48:19

the property and he built things out he had

48:22

the funds to do it it was he had a limited

48:24

run of that but again it was still done

48:27

by himself on his

48:30

property his property versus a commercial

48:32

he doesn't have a venue yeah it

48:35

was never that right so I think

48:37

the expectations for the manor and

48:40

the allegations of

48:42

it being fake or

48:44

a scam at this point when just talking

48:46

about where the fuck's the manor well

48:49

the manners never existed yeah

48:51

there has never been a manor the

48:53

manor is Su

48:56

casa yeah yeah house okay

48:58

like that's always been it should

49:01

just be Russ's manner I mean it's McCamey

49:03

Manor it's literally named Russ's

49:06

house yeah what it means well what I don't get

49:08

is granted if you Google search it

49:10

sometimes you'll actually see like a manor pop

49:12

up McCamey Manor yeah but really that's

49:14

like saying that a haunted house isn't

49:17

a haunted house if it's in a warehouse like

49:20

which is like we're just all of them yeah

49:22

so we're just if we're kind of nitpicking words

49:24

here but I do get why people would maybe

49:27

be convinced that there is some manor

49:29

somewhere so

49:31

back to Danny though during his tour Danny

49:34

and Russ got into an argument about

49:36

wasting time and not showing quote-unquote

49:38

the fans what they wanted to see like

49:40

the bag over his head with wasps inside

49:43

that he said was quote-unquote promised

49:46

in the contract waiver and Danny

49:48

bragged about taking an executioner wasp

49:50

sting to the face Russ

49:53

argued that the exercises were part of the experience

49:55

and the manor would come later but

49:57

only if he continued with the session under

49:59

their After the argument escalated,

50:02

Russ threatened to end it. And

50:04

Danny accused him of false

50:06

advertising, quote unquote, because

50:09

the warnings and the waiver weren't things that

50:11

would happen. I

50:15

don't know about that. Yeah, we'll get into the waiver.

50:19

I get what he's saying, but also a waiver

50:22

isn't promising an experience. A waiver

50:24

is a waiver. Right. To

50:27

waive liability. Yeah. They

50:29

told me I could potentially go permanently

50:32

blind when I had LASIK in

50:34

the waiver. That does not mean I'm going

50:36

to go permanently blind. Right. Danny

50:40

said he would bet his entire house that

50:42

he could complete one of the challenges

50:44

inside the manor. Actually

50:46

have a clip of some of their argument for

50:49

you to see for yourselves.

50:52

I'm not, it's never supposed to be scary yet.

50:54

Wait, that doesn't make any sense. You said no screen. That's

50:56

all you got, Russ? Seriously? That's

50:59

really all it is. That's really all it is.

51:01

It's just you doing exercises in his front yard. Russ

51:03

is just not psyched that I

51:05

feel this way. Danny, don't

51:08

fuss. Don't argue. Do

51:11

what I say. Don't complain.

51:13

Completely understand that I was still complaining.

51:16

It's not complaining of simple questions. Okay,

51:18

no. I'm looking. Oh my God, I

51:20

can't do it. The manor is the craziest haunted house. And

51:22

the floor is not. We haven't done anything yet. I'm not going to

51:24

explain this, Danny. Am I being rude? It's

51:26

just literally simple questions. And

51:28

I'm just, I'm so confused because

51:31

I came here for something else. Also, you have to ask about

51:33

the wasps. You're going through a becoming manor now, so

51:35

you're allowed to see the wasp. And yeah,

51:37

you didn't really like my comment. Don't, hello,

51:39

hello. It's the wasp thing.

51:41

One of your fans want to see me get through the

51:44

wasp and all that stuff. Like, that was- Danny,

51:46

Danny, stop. But it doesn't make sense. Danny, stop. But

51:48

I'm not going to be rude with Danny. Right now,

51:51

I feel like it's not a good thing.

51:53

I get it, but also, man, it's

51:55

kind of like Reckless Ben

51:58

not playing it. exactly

52:01

how they should have. Danny

52:03

probably should have just went in there and sucked it up.

52:06

Don't argue,

52:07

get as far as you can because even the

52:09

guy that they talked to, I think they were talking to this other guy, the

52:11

wolf, which we'll get into later, he said

52:14

he's just like, keep going, never tap out. Keep

52:16

going. And Danny starts getting

52:18

in this argument mode here and

52:20

he doesn't get out of it. And I'm like,

52:22

you should have just played that a little better. Just

52:26

sucked it up, stayed quiet and kept going.

52:29

And that's where my biggest issue with

52:31

their videos is, is like, you

52:35

never really got that far because

52:38

you made the experience for Russ poor.

52:41

He hated it. He was clearly like,

52:44

this is fucking annoying. Why are

52:46

you guys talking so much? Shut

52:48

up, do what I'm telling you to do and

52:51

we'll get to the man or

52:53

later. And just because he ended

52:55

it, because

52:58

you were annoying the shit out of him, doesn't mean that the haunted house part

53:00

of it doesn't

53:03

exist necessarily. You know what I mean? And it

53:06

might not. It might not. But how

53:08

you're playing this, we can unfortunately

53:10

give Russ the benefit of the doubt that

53:13

it might exist. But

53:16

we're not seeing it. We're never gonna see it because we can't

53:18

get that far. So, because I mean, Russ could

53:20

absolutely just be, could

53:24

absolutely just be testing

53:26

you. He could be just, he's trying to break

53:28

you down, but when you're just argumentative with him and

53:31

you're bringing up all these things to him that are annoying,

53:34

I mean, he's gonna be like, well,

53:37

this isn't worth it for me. And

53:40

nobody in my audience wants to watch

53:43

somebody just argue with me on camera.

53:45

So if they were really going into this and from

53:47

the way that I take it, you guys really went into this

53:50

to expose Russ

53:52

in the manner

53:55

you did, you went about the wrong way.

53:57

Yeah. You know,

53:59

to really.

53:59

really get to the bottom of things,

54:02

you would have done exactly what we were saying is, shut

54:05

up, do everything he says, and

54:07

go as far as you possibly can. I mean, participants

54:10

in the past have gone seven to 12 hours

54:13

in this experience.

54:14

And you guys... You

54:17

couldn't crab walk with the dog food. Yeah,

54:20

that's fine. Which I couldn't either.

54:22

I'm not saying I could. I'm not saying I could. And

54:24

I understand from their perspective,

54:27

we came here for the haunt, and

54:29

here we are being humiliated, having to

54:31

work her asses off in the heat in

54:33

these fuzzy costumes. It's

54:36

ridiculous. It's ridiculous. Yeah, it's ridiculous, and

54:38

I get it. You thought you were signing

54:40

up for something else, and you didn't get that experience.

54:43

There's disappointment there. I wanted to touch on

54:45

one thing that you said. You were basically saying

54:48

this argumentative thing isn't

54:51

what Russ wants to do, and it's not what

54:53

his fans want to see, right? And

54:55

then, so they're both playing the same game,

54:58

where Russ is like, look, we're arguing here.

55:00

My fans don't want to see that. But Danny's

55:02

also saying, don't your fans want

55:04

to see me get stung in the face by a wasp?

55:08

But yeah, also, they don't want to see you

55:10

arguing either. So you're also actively

55:13

ruining the experience here as well, which

55:15

makes him not want to go forward.

55:17

For guys that

55:18

claim to have watched as much of the Cammie

55:21

Manor videos as they say they did,

55:23

what happened? What happened to that strategy

55:26

of infiltrating Cammie

55:28

Manor? I mean, you basically gave away

55:31

what you guys were there for by just

55:33

the video we just watched. You're

55:36

making it abundantly clear to Russ that you're not

55:38

here for the experience, and you're here to

55:41

make him look bad in that sense, and expose

55:43

him by saying, where's

55:46

all these things in your waiver? How come you're not doing

55:48

them to me right now? Immediately

55:51

when I arrived, why aren't you putting

55:53

me through the ringer? Danny

55:56

also told him that he would drink pee.

55:58

Yeah, he was like, dude, just... Let me do it. Let me do

56:01

it. Also. I wanted one last thing

56:04

Why is reckless been there? I mean, I

56:06

know they're doing the YouTube thing, but think of

56:08

think of it from Russ's perspective He's like the guy

56:10

that failed my thing that I was suspecting

56:13

of trying to Get some

56:15

expo expose a thing on my manner.

56:18

He's showing up again with his friend now It's

56:21

just how dumb do you think Russ is like

56:23

I get he may not you know be the brightest

56:26

guy But I don't think he's stupid. No, and

56:28

I think he's He's sniffing

56:30

out what you guys are are doing pretty

56:32

pretty easily and so Me

56:35

and for all we know dude, he could be trying

56:38

to Make them do all this Extra

56:41

ridiculous shit for that very reason

56:43

the guy was in the military Okay, and whether

56:46

you believe there's anything to that or not. I do believe

56:48

that Russ is very mentally

56:50

like Headstrong

56:53

and he you know He's

56:55

at least got some skills from that

56:57

experience that I think plays into this

57:00

that he knows how to like Get

57:03

into people's heads clearly. He knows how to

57:05

kind of break people down and I

57:07

think he's very he's all over you guys He

57:09

knows exactly what the hell's going on here. I

57:12

mean the fact that from the very beginning, you know

57:14

He's mentioning NDA isn't like he knows

57:16

there in Also, if you look at their

57:19

YouTube channels like this kind of a thing that they

57:21

do kind of the expose Hey, there's a lot of youtubers

57:23

that are like, let's try to bring down

57:25

scams or bad, you know People that are running,

57:28

you know bad things online that aren't

57:30

true and kind of expose people. There's

57:32

a lot of channels like that so it's kind of what

57:35

their contents I think at one point they're

57:37

like we we go and bring

57:39

bad people down or something like that and You

57:42

don't think Russ went and looked at your guys's

57:45

contents of he knew from the

57:47

very beginning that you guys weren't just normal

57:49

Participants, I think he saw

57:52

an opportunity to potentially if these guys truly

57:54

do play, you know, want to go through the experience

57:57

I'm gonna see how bad they want to go through the experience

58:00

And so I think he made you

58:02

guys do all this crazy

58:04

shit because he knew what

58:06

you guys were gonna try to do. He knew that

58:08

you guys were gonna try to expose him

58:11

and expose the things that he does. My

58:13

opinion, the other alternative is that none

58:16

of these other things exist. But based

58:19

on past videos, we know that there

58:21

are other things that do exist. Do they exist

58:23

today? That's the big question I think that we

58:25

just can't answer. It will never be answered,

58:28

I don't think. But if you look at historical

58:30

footage from his channel, yeah,

58:32

he puts spiders on people. He's definitely

58:36

doing the things that are in his waiver. The

58:38

waterboarding thing is real, the putting

58:40

spiders on people is real. I

58:43

don't even know if they're alive though because sometimes

58:45

the spiders are just still.

58:47

I'm like, is this even real or not? So

58:50

there's a big gray area. And I mean,

58:52

the only people that can really say are the people

58:54

who go through the experience. But unfortunately,

58:57

let's just be real here. Neither

59:00

Danny nor Ben are really going through

59:02

the experience. And if this is the experience

59:05

and this is the end of it, that's

59:08

a lame as hell, I will say. If

59:10

the truth is that there's not now, but

59:13

there's enough, unfortunately, like I said before, there's

59:15

enough benefit of the doubt on

59:17

Russ's side that I'm not convinced

59:19

yet. Well, when you're arguing

59:21

with Russ, and

59:26

you're telling him, I'll drink pee, you

59:28

can pour hot sauce in my butthole. You

59:30

know what I mean? Just like, he's

59:33

gonna take offense to that clearly. Like this

59:35

guy's put his whole life into this pretty much.

59:38

And his whole reputation's on the line. And here's these

59:40

two YouTubers coming here, trying to make him

59:42

look like a fool. And Russ

59:44

isn't into that. And so I think

59:47

you have to take that into perspective. And I think

59:49

a lot of people, especially based on

59:52

the comments on their videos, really

59:55

just like jump on the Russ

59:57

hate train. And they're like, fuck this guy. You

1:00:00

guys are, you know, exposing him

1:00:02

for who he is. He's a fraud, he's a fake. He's, you

1:00:04

know, there is no manner. He's not doing anything,

1:00:07

you know, special when it comes to

1:00:09

a haunted house at all. He's just humiliating

1:00:12

people. Yeah. But. With

1:00:14

that said, I am not on Russ's side.

1:00:17

I just wanna make that clear. We're observing

1:00:19

here and this is how we see this

1:00:22

at play. So

1:00:25

while they argued more, Russ claimed that they didn't

1:00:27

wanna hurt people. And if he was actually having

1:00:29

people drink urine, the quote unquote police

1:00:31

would shut him down so fast, which 100%,

1:00:35

that's a major health risk. Yeah. That's

1:00:37

like a crime. So of course he's

1:00:39

not gonna make people drink pee. So it's like those ridiculous

1:00:42

things. Russ is like, why are you telling me how to run my

1:00:44

own haunt, right? Yeah. It's

1:00:47

just, it's not what, you know, what are you doing? You're

1:00:50

not here for the experience. You're here to tell me how to do the

1:00:52

experience. And that's not what he's about at all. You're supposed to completely

1:00:54

submit to the experience. Yeah.

1:00:57

So after arguing back and forth for an unknown amount of

1:00:59

time, Russ called it all off saying

1:01:02

that he couldn't have had that kind of arguing

1:01:04

continue throughout the whole show. And

1:01:06

honestly, I kinda agree

1:01:09

with him. I would be, you know, from an entertainer

1:01:11

point of view, it'd be like going to a magic

1:01:13

show and shouting out at

1:01:15

the magician, you

1:01:17

know,

1:01:18

telling the audience what the tricks are. Yeah,

1:01:20

tricks up your sleeves. Yeah, right. It'd be like,

1:01:23

it's the same type of thing. I mean, imagine

1:01:25

if you guys, if you guys just went to a haunted house, if

1:01:27

you were walking through, be like, hey buddy, I

1:01:30

see your real face behind that mask, or, you

1:01:32

know, you're like pointing out all the fake stuff

1:01:34

in the show out loud to people. They're

1:01:37

gonna kick you out. Yeah, they're gonna be like, get the

1:01:39

fuck out of here. You're ruining it for other people. And

1:01:41

so it's the same kind of situation

1:01:43

here.

1:01:45

So

1:01:46

Ben and Danny's shot at the McCamey

1:01:48

Manor came to an abrupt

1:01:50

end. Russ told him that quote, the biggest

1:01:53

thing about the manor is common sense. I

1:01:55

need you to have really good common sense and

1:01:57

make good sound decisions, end quote.

1:02:00

After they both left, Russ spoke into the camera

1:02:02

for his livestream viewers, and here's

1:02:05

some of what he had to say.

1:02:07

What

1:02:30

do you think of that?

1:02:55

What do you think of that?

1:03:08

What

1:03:09

do you think of that?

1:03:39

What do you think of that? what

1:04:00

it used to be and yeah I think

1:04:02

he's trying to cover his tracks too with that

1:04:04

absolutely hey we don't hurt people here and

1:04:06

that they have a good safety track record

1:04:09

so in that sense Russ

1:04:11

is clearly exaggerating lying

1:04:14

whatever you want to call it to

1:04:16

protect himself and to keep it open

1:04:18

and going because obviously like

1:04:21

the evidence they just showed on the screen there people have

1:04:23

gotten seriously injured there's people you know the Netflix

1:04:25

documentary they showed one woman that was brutally

1:04:29

beaten in in Mckay me manner

1:04:32

so much so she was at the hospitals

1:04:34

you know swollen everything pretty much

1:04:36

bruises

1:04:37

cuts so

1:04:39

again that statement I think is

1:04:42

false in the sense of over the

1:04:44

entire course of Mckay me manners been open

1:04:47

people have been hundred percent safe clearly

1:04:50

not but

1:04:50

in

1:04:52

today's Mckay me manner

1:04:54

seems like they've dialed things back quite a bit

1:04:57

and so Russ was getting

1:05:00

upset because they're asking to be hurt

1:05:03

like all the other participants in the past

1:05:06

from what they saw on the YouTube channel from

1:05:08

years past that's what they were expecting

1:05:11

and so when they weren't getting that experience they're

1:05:13

pissed yeah and there's you know they start

1:05:15

turning on him in a sense and I think

1:05:17

Russ is if you want

1:05:19

to play into that like Russ is this sick

1:05:22

weird creepy dude who gets off

1:05:24

on sadistic treatments of others

1:05:28

why would then why also if you're

1:05:30

trying to play that game why

1:05:32

admit that you want to I want to drink

1:05:35

pee I want to get stung in the face I

1:05:37

want hot sauce poured into my butt because

1:05:40

Russ then wouldn't want to play into

1:05:42

that if you actively

1:05:44

are desiring right

1:05:46

be hurt is going against

1:05:48

what the mechanic with even what

1:05:51

just the mystique of the Mckay me manner is you're

1:05:53

not supposed to want that you

1:05:55

know so to speak so it you

1:05:57

it

1:05:58

just

1:05:59

unfortunately did play the chess game as

1:06:01

well as you could have. But here's

1:06:03

where I think Danny and

1:06:06

Ben are on to something though. After

1:06:09

failing to get into the manor again, Danny and

1:06:11

Ben questioned whether Russ could have

1:06:13

even afforded the permits for something like

1:06:15

a 200 yard underwater tunnel plus

1:06:17

an underwater haunted house that he claimed to have.

1:06:20

They mapped out his property. I've also seen

1:06:22

his current property. We're not going

1:06:24

to show it here, but there wouldn't even

1:06:27

be enough space to build a 200 yard

1:06:30

underwater tunnel. That just wouldn't even be possible

1:06:32

on his property. In the waiver, he also claimed

1:06:35

that he had a 2.5 mile high

1:06:37

speed electrified zipline.

1:06:39

What?

1:06:40

This is clearly alive. The longest reported

1:06:43

zipline in the world clocks in at 1.76 miles

1:06:45

out in the United Arab Emirates. So

1:06:50

there's no way he even has that there. He

1:06:53

also claimed he had a 40 foot climbing

1:06:55

wall, but rock climbing facilities

1:06:57

need super expensive insurance policies

1:07:00

to protect the people climbing there. And there's no way

1:07:02

that Russ can even afford that just

1:07:05

for on donations and just running

1:07:07

this for what, one to three people

1:07:09

a week. It wouldn't make sense unless

1:07:11

if he is a trust fund kid and has a good

1:07:14

zillion dollars stored away, that wouldn't make sense

1:07:16

either. You can put anything you

1:07:18

want in a waiver though. Yes. Well,

1:07:22

we will dive deep into that later.

1:07:24

The whole waiver thing. They

1:07:26

loved playing into the waiver thing constantly

1:07:29

in these videos, which it's like there's

1:07:31

signs like a entertainment deal

1:07:34

that outlines like, yeah, like here's

1:07:36

the scope of work here. That's going to happen.

1:07:38

Here's the deliverables of this contract.

1:07:41

Like that's not what it is at all. And I know that Russ

1:07:44

makes you want to think that. Absolutely. The

1:07:46

horror experience begins when you

1:07:48

read the waiver and he's

1:07:50

trying to play into that to get

1:07:52

you terrified of what could possibly

1:07:55

be there. And I think I mentioned it in the blackout

1:07:57

episode. House

1:08:00

for me, even when I was legitimately

1:08:02

scared of them when I was younger, it was always

1:08:05

before going to the Haunted House.

1:08:08

Once I was actually in there, it was fine, but it

1:08:10

was me thinking, like, what's going to be in

1:08:12

there? It's going to be terrifying. So

1:08:15

he's playing into that fear by adding those

1:08:17

things to the waiver. And we'll go through kind of

1:08:19

line by line later of how we'll

1:08:22

see that. Anyone who reads it, you can kind

1:08:24

of see it's kind of silly. I

1:08:26

imagine that the blackout waiver likely

1:08:29

had some similar verbiage in

1:08:31

it as well. Yeah, yep.

1:08:33

Because if you think about it, it's the first thing

1:08:35

that you're doing before you start the tour of the

1:08:37

experience. And so what better

1:08:40

way to get you mentally psyched up by

1:08:43

reading through this waiver? And I think legally,

1:08:46

a lot of people don't understand

1:08:49

how waivers work. People don't understand that

1:08:51

a waiver is not as protected.

1:08:57

It's not as protected. Finding as

1:08:59

a legal contract. You

1:09:02

can literally print up a template online and

1:09:05

make somebody sign a waiver. And whether

1:09:07

that waiver holds up in court is a whole

1:09:09

other scenario. People

1:09:12

think that just by signing a piece of paper, it's

1:09:14

like you've made this deal in blood and

1:09:16

you're never getting out of it. So

1:09:19

I just want to put that out there. Justin

1:09:23

Ureis, also known as the Wolf

1:09:25

from the Mckayney Manor exposed Facebook group,

1:09:28

he's been in a lot of these. He was in the documentary

1:09:31

too. He's the guy, he's

1:09:33

like the number one hater, basically.

1:09:37

He claimed that the alleged deaths also

1:09:39

have never happened and the stories were just for publicity.

1:09:42

As far as I could personally dig,

1:09:44

there have been zero confirmed deaths

1:09:46

ever at Mckayney Manor in

1:09:49

any iteration of it ever existing

1:09:52

and natural or otherwise. Because a lot

1:09:54

of people think that there was a heart attack

1:09:56

somewhere along the way, but that

1:09:59

was a completely different story. different haunted house

1:10:01

experience. I don't even know if, I don't

1:10:03

think it was even in the US, but

1:10:05

there have been zero deaths. Which, duh.

1:10:09

Like, oh my God,

1:10:11

of course there hasn't been deaths like this. Like

1:10:13

my God, like can

1:10:15

we just use our common sense here?

1:10:18

Any attraction

1:10:20

where a death occurs is a major, major

1:10:23

issue.

1:10:25

Likely leading to criminal charges, litigation,

1:10:28

and subsequent shutdown

1:10:31

depending on the circumstances, okay? And

1:10:33

we've seen it happen online, like amusement park

1:10:36

disasters episodes. The rides

1:10:39

get shut down, sometimes the entire

1:10:41

investigations go on. Like,

1:10:44

if there were really deaths at

1:10:46

the Cammie Manor, it would have been done.

1:10:49

Years ago, Russ would have likely

1:10:51

been sued into oblivion and

1:10:54

would never heard his name again. Or

1:10:56

he'd be in jail based

1:10:59

on a criminal investigation, right?

1:11:02

That has never happened. Yeah, no

1:11:04

deaths. So it's like, zero deaths.

1:11:07

If you remove all that, what

1:11:10

better way to get people hyped up for the most extreme

1:11:12

haunted house in the world than to say

1:11:15

people have died at Cammie

1:11:18

Manor. Yeah, so is he lying?

1:11:20

Yes. Absolutely. Yes. Should

1:11:23

you maybe use a little bit of critical thinking?

1:11:26

Someone's telling you someone's dying there. Also,

1:11:29

if he's saying someone has died here and drowned

1:11:31

and you're like, I'm still signing this way, we're doing

1:11:33

it, then no. What

1:11:36

does that say about you then? So

1:11:40

as Ben and Danny left the property,

1:11:42

they got a voicemail from Kelly who

1:11:45

she'll, she comes around every once in a while.

1:11:47

She's Russ's assistant. She

1:11:49

calls them up and here's what she has to say.

1:11:52

This is one of her voicemails to them.

1:11:55

Send me a mean message. Ben, this is Kelly

1:11:58

from Cammie Manor. I'm one of the admin. It

1:12:00

runs the page and also assists with

1:12:02

the tours reaching out to you because

1:12:04

of what's gone on over the last couple

1:12:06

days Regarding your tour Danny's

1:12:09

tour. This is it's ridiculous. I'm gonna put it

1:12:11

right out there to you. This is fucking ridiculous

1:12:14

It's corny. It's beat. I really don't

1:12:16

know what your goal here was Is this like

1:12:18

do you like wake up because you know, you're

1:12:20

bored and decide today? I'm gonna do this

1:12:23

you just seem like a real lost individual,

1:12:25

bro You wasted everybody's fucking

1:12:27

time you brought this kid down who

1:12:29

you says is the craziest person the

1:12:31

whole entire world Who can't even do a fucking

1:12:33

crab walk and then complain and cried bitch

1:12:36

Simone for 15 minutes stamping

1:12:38

a seat I want it my way. That's

1:12:40

not the fuck how life is and

1:12:43

that's not how the manner goes So,

1:12:45

you know I don't know what your point and purpose

1:12:47

was here to get footage on Russ

1:12:49

because you fucking lied to Ross and then what

1:12:52

you Brought your buddy out there because he was gonna

1:12:54

beat it No, he wasn't gonna be because he wanted

1:12:56

to just go jump into a fucking stunt

1:12:58

that he it would have been not possible for Him

1:13:01

to do at that point. I think what you did was dumb.

1:13:03

I think it was

1:13:04

obviously reckless and that's your

1:13:07

And I think that if you really

1:13:09

sit down and do some soul searching you'll

1:13:12

realize what you're doing Ain't it?

1:13:14

And you seem like you're very

1:13:16

fucking lost There's no big hey,

1:13:19

there's no big likes on YouTube

1:13:21

big fucking deal. How many people

1:13:24

have done that already? It's old in

1:13:26

regards to YouTube I'm telling you right now

1:13:28

you post some shit up there if you use the

1:13:30

name if you do use any Copyright

1:13:33

or trademark material you will be hearing

1:13:35

from our lawyers You're not wasting our fucking time

1:13:38

and doing this kind of bullshit and leading us

1:13:40

down one path and acting another that's Sociopathic

1:13:43

for you to look at people in the face and fucking

1:13:45

lie to them and do it well enough that

1:13:48

people trust you You have a real fucking

1:13:50

problem, bro Anyway, if something

1:13:53

does come out you will be

1:13:54

hit with trademark infringement copyright

1:13:57

infringement

1:13:57

all of it fire you I would take

1:13:59

the warning

1:14:00

So by this point

1:14:02

in the narrative I was like,

1:14:05

these are... So again look at the title two.

1:14:08

I exposed an infiltrated Mikami

1:14:10

Manor episode two. So

1:14:12

guys,

1:14:14

again let's use our common sense.

1:14:17

These guys have profited and benefited

1:14:19

off of their experience at

1:14:21

Mikami Manor supremely.

1:14:24

I mean... Oh yeah I think the Reckless Man

1:14:26

has gotten like a hundred thousand extra subscribers

1:14:29

from this drama. Like he,

1:14:31

you know, this is the top content essentially

1:14:33

on his channel. This is like kind of his big break.

1:14:36

I think they knew that. I think they timed this

1:14:38

with the documentary release. You

1:14:41

know, they knew Mikami Manor is gonna be back

1:14:43

in the news. It's Halloween season and

1:14:45

so they saw an opportunity and they

1:14:47

took it and yeah, you know, you

1:14:50

know, I guess kudos to them.

1:14:52

It's fun. You know, they made some

1:14:54

content off of it and but

1:14:56

in the process, you know,

1:14:59

is there also some negatives to

1:15:01

it? I think so. Yeah.

1:15:03

By that voicemail though, that was where

1:15:06

I was losing me a little bit

1:15:08

and I was like very

1:15:10

unprofessional. It's getting like schoolyard

1:15:12

talk. Yeah. Like, you're lame.

1:15:15

No, you're lame. You're

1:15:17

lost. You're just lost.

1:15:20

Just bored. So yeah,

1:15:23

I mean that was probably not a smart

1:15:26

move on Russ

1:15:29

and Kelly's part. I mean, it

1:15:31

kind of just seemed like children now going back

1:15:33

and forth. Well, again, it's

1:15:35

great for the drama, right? Yeah. It's fun

1:15:37

to watch. It's good content. I mean, this is what

1:15:39

people on YouTube want to watch. They want to watch the drama unfold.

1:15:42

Yeah. And I get it. It's very drama

1:15:44

packed but like is

1:15:46

there substance to it? Yeah.

1:15:49

Kind of. Not really. Crumbs. Crumbs.

1:15:52

You know, tidbits here and there. You

1:15:54

know, to be like I infiltrated

1:15:56

Makani Manor and expose them

1:15:58

like... You know like

1:16:01

bait. Yeah is what I see there like Where's

1:16:04

the infiltration you guys even make it into

1:16:07

anything? Yep, then I'll get

1:16:09

I'll get into the verbiage uses in

1:16:11

a little bit here how I Don't

1:16:15

know you're accusing Russell I'm we'll see

1:16:18

that you're exaggerating you have to be careful man,

1:16:20

you have to be really careful when you do these expos

1:16:22

a's of people because again

1:16:26

You have to come with extraordinary

1:16:28

evidence to back those claims up. You can't make these

1:16:31

just make claims out there I mean

1:16:34

you really shouldn't make claims at all You should let the authority

1:16:36

if there's real legitimate claims if you made

1:16:38

that you should let the authorities in the legal

1:16:40

process handle that Versus taking

1:16:42

it to YouTube. Yeah to try to try

1:16:45

to solve the problem, right? So

1:16:47

apparently Ben's second video is actually removed

1:16:49

by YouTube for violating their harmful and

1:16:52

dangerous policy The point of his video that

1:16:54

was flagged was supposedly him showing

1:16:56

an aerial view of Russell's property where the

1:16:58

rat race stunt was held

1:17:00

Which come on guys like

1:17:02

why are you?

1:17:03

Doxing someone's probably essentially doxing

1:17:05

him. That's obviously a no-no

1:17:08

on YouTube It's just shouldn't

1:17:10

do that for anybody whether you think

1:17:12

they're the worst human being on

1:17:14

the planet like It's

1:17:17

not your place to do that again. Go through

1:17:19

there if you really think there is a criminal

1:17:22

act going on here Why

1:17:25

did they where is the call to the authorities

1:17:27

in this? I Don't

1:17:30

hear a call. Where's the 911 call

1:17:32

to the or the you know Email

1:17:34

to the police department to have them investigate

1:17:36

this supposed fraud that's going on this

1:17:38

this elaborate scam that's going on Yeah,

1:17:41

none of that there and Like

1:17:43

Austin's been saying this really turns into

1:17:46

some schoolyard drama to youtubers

1:17:48

going at it. It's like YouTube beef This is classic

1:17:50

YouTube beef. Yeah is really what this is because Russ

1:17:52

was telling his fans to go report reckless men's

1:17:55

videos As many times as they

1:17:57

could and then Ben claimed that his

1:17:59

videos had been demolished monetized by YouTube, which

1:18:02

maybe, you know, if you do go and mass

1:18:04

report a video, there is some

1:18:07

impact. But again, those are reviewed,

1:18:09

like an actual person goes

1:18:11

and reviews those, right?

1:18:13

And my guess is

1:18:16

it wasn't just, you

1:18:18

know, demonetized by YouTube for the

1:18:20

fact that they were reporting

1:18:22

it. I think there's other reasons for it. It

1:18:25

clearly based off of the content and

1:18:29

YouTube knows what's going on here. Like

1:18:31

for some, when something like this starts getting

1:18:34

traction, and I know this from personal

1:18:36

experience, like we have a manager over

1:18:40

at YouTube. We actually have a human being over there who's

1:18:42

pretty high up that understands the inner workings

1:18:44

of it. We've had talks and

1:18:47

calls with the YouTube review team. They're

1:18:49

not just, you know, everything isn't

1:18:52

just automated, especially when it's starting to get traction,

1:18:54

starting to get a lot of views. So a human being on

1:18:56

their on their safety team actually

1:18:58

reviewed this probably already watched the videos all

1:19:00

the way through. And they were able

1:19:02

to come to the conclusion that

1:19:05

what these guys are doing is against their

1:19:08

advertiser policies, because, you

1:19:10

know, you're making a lot of claims, and you're

1:19:13

creating YouTube drama. And a lot of times that

1:19:16

creates issues for the advertisers, because

1:19:18

there's legalities going on, you know, there's different things

1:19:20

going on there that are not

1:19:22

beneficial to the advertisers. And they

1:19:25

wouldn't want to be on content like this for

1:19:27

that very reason, because it's controversial.

1:19:29

And if anything, the demonetization

1:19:33

hypes it up even

1:19:35

more. And I think, and we'll see the rather

1:19:38

reckless than has played into this. So I

1:19:40

did see the first two parts of

1:19:43

his videos, which the second one is now gone.

1:19:45

The video, so videos

1:19:47

one and three out

1:19:49

of six active videos on

1:19:52

the mechanic, the mechanic, the

1:19:54

first two parts, which are videos one and three,

1:19:56

because two has been removed

1:19:59

out of his six active videos on the

1:20:01

McKeemie Manor have been demonetized.

1:20:04

So two out of six. The others, as far as I could

1:20:06

tell, are still monetized. They might be limited.

1:20:09

I don't have that information. We have no way to know,

1:20:11

yeah. And we don't know why they

1:20:13

were demonetized in the first place. And

1:20:15

he doesn't explain that, so no

1:20:18

idea. In another video titled, McKeemie

1:20:20

Manor is suing me for exposing their secrets.

1:20:22

Ben claimed that McKeemie Manor was suing

1:20:24

him, but he didn't know what for. So

1:20:27

two things I wanna address here.

1:20:29

One,

1:20:30

if you're demonetized, he was even saying

1:20:32

in his more recent videos that

1:20:35

they're demonetized, which they are not. And

1:20:37

then he's saying, go support me on Patreon. This

1:20:40

video has been demonetized. No, it

1:20:42

has not. You're still making money

1:20:44

on that video. So are you- Scammer,

1:20:47

who's scamming now? Scammer, who's scamming

1:20:49

now? And then two, this

1:20:52

doesn't make sense that you're being sued,

1:20:54

but you don't know what for. And I'll explain

1:20:57

why. This

1:20:59

is where the whole thing lost me. I was like, this is

1:21:01

ridiculous. To lawfully

1:21:04

file a lawsuit, the plaintiff

1:21:06

must serve the defendant who is Ben

1:21:08

in this case with a summons and a copy

1:21:10

of the petition or complaint. If the defendant

1:21:13

fails to render service of such documents,

1:21:15

the case will be dropped or continued until the service

1:21:18

of process has taken place. So

1:21:20

either they served you, you're

1:21:22

lying about it. They didn't serve

1:21:25

you, so you're not being sued and you're lying about

1:21:27

it. Quote, let's quote the

1:21:29

title, McCamey Manor is suing

1:21:32

me for exposing their secrets. So

1:21:34

here's a lie. Or

1:21:36

are they suing you and they didn't serve you the papers

1:21:39

so the case is gonna fall apart? Or

1:21:41

are you just going off of that conversation on that phone,

1:21:43

that Kelly? It's just a threat. It's

1:21:46

a threat. And again, school year

1:21:48

talked, you remember in like fifth grade, you'd be like,

1:21:50

I'm gonna sue you. I'm

1:21:52

gonna sue you. That line

1:21:54

is as old as time. Yeah, when

1:21:56

you actually go down the road of filing

1:21:58

a lawsuit, another. thing that I have been

1:22:01

involved with, it is way

1:22:03

more involved than that and in any

1:22:05

sort of legal action there is some

1:22:08

form of paperwork, whether it's

1:22:10

served to you personally,

1:22:12

it's emailed over to you,

1:22:15

just a threatening letter from the opposing

1:22:17

attorney, or it's

1:22:19

mailed to you first class.

1:22:21

There is some shred of

1:22:23

proof that they are either threatening

1:22:26

legal action or they have already filed a

1:22:28

motion to sue you. So

1:22:31

then,

1:22:33

Danny, where is the

1:22:35

proof buddies?

1:22:37

Where is it? Show us the documents.

1:22:39

You're saying you're being sued? I

1:22:42

want to see the documents. They don't exist. I

1:22:44

don't believe you until you show the documents. No one else out

1:22:46

there in your audience should either

1:22:48

because we're

1:22:50

going to get to a point where it's like,

1:22:53

who's really scamming who here? Honestly,

1:22:56

I hate to say that guys. But like, come

1:22:58

on now. And it's

1:23:01

like, there have been threats of lawsuits.

1:23:03

I'll give them that. But

1:23:06

Josh, I'm going to sue you.

1:23:09

Okay, let's do it. I'm

1:23:11

down. It means nothing. So

1:23:13

the truth is, at no point has been

1:23:15

being sued in that video where he claims

1:23:18

to be. Kelly and the associates

1:23:20

of the McKeamey Manor are just threatening.

1:23:25

And you think that's bad. Next,

1:23:28

he claims that he's hacking into

1:23:31

Russ McKeamey's phone when

1:23:33

really all he was doing was using a prank app

1:23:35

to make it seem like the call was coming from

1:23:38

his phone was actually coming

1:23:41

from Russ.

1:23:42

Come on, guys.

1:23:44

And then he was going to use his phone to call Kelly, the

1:23:46

woman who was sending him the threatening voicemails

1:23:48

as she threatened to send their lawyers after him. And

1:23:51

she said this, quote, there's massive

1:23:54

contracts and big things coming out between

1:23:56

Hulu Discovery Channel. There's

1:23:58

a lot of stuff coming out. don't need this

1:24:00

extra little bullshit right now.

1:24:03

And we'll get to the Hulu documentary here in a little bit. But

1:24:08

seems like a very valid statement to me because

1:24:10

the accusations coming out of the Hulu

1:24:12

documentary are far more serious than

1:24:16

two little YouTubers fucking

1:24:18

around with them, trying to expose them.

1:24:24

So a common tactic for Russ and his team is

1:24:26

obviously threatening lawsuits or doxing to anyone

1:24:28

who tries to expose Manor, talk poorly about

1:24:30

him, which they have done in the past. Yeah,

1:24:33

there's some haters that

1:24:35

are out there where they were basically like, we

1:24:37

will expose you and your family and give

1:24:39

out all your information. And that guy like

1:24:42

disappeared then. They've

1:24:44

done shady shit like that. But

1:24:46

to be fair, there's

1:24:49

a lot of other scenarios where

1:24:51

this also plays out. It's not like this scenario

1:24:54

is unique to McKamey Manor and

1:24:56

it's following, this happened. All

1:24:58

the time across the internet, across all

1:25:00

facets of entertainment, really.

1:25:03

Kelly threatened to sue him for quote unquote, copyright

1:25:05

and trademark infringement if they use the name

1:25:07

McKamey Manor in his YouTube videos. They

1:25:10

threatened Ben and said he was quote unquote, breaching

1:25:12

laws. Then they said there

1:25:14

was a claim being filed for $30,000. Ben

1:25:17

then continued trolling Kelly and Russ and

1:25:19

as you later called it,

1:25:21

quote unquote, war.

1:25:23

But after getting two strikes on YouTube, Ben

1:25:25

did two podcast episodes, which

1:25:28

were basically a Q and A and discussion about the situation until

1:25:30

Ben could post on YouTube again after supposedly

1:25:32

having two strikes against him. So again,

1:25:35

more and more content. They're

1:25:38

trying to quote unquote, keep the war up. Yeah,

1:25:41

it's content, it's getting him tons of views. They're

1:25:43

like, yeah, we're cashing out,

1:25:46

baby. It's war profiteering,

1:25:48

it's what it is. Exactly. So

1:25:50

it's like, of course, they're gonna keep it going. They're making

1:25:52

podcasts. There's supposedly more videos

1:25:54

to come

1:25:55

with this stolen

1:25:57

footage. Yeah. I can't wait

1:25:59

to see. from this hard drive supposedly

1:26:01

he has. Anyways, yeah. So

1:26:04

here's summing up to where

1:26:06

we're at in this so we can

1:26:08

move forward and

1:26:10

maybe focus on a little bit bigger things than the reckless

1:26:12

Ben stuff. So here's what they accused Russ of, having

1:26:15

a torture fetish, lying about the

1:26:17

manor's existence, not following through with the

1:26:19

challenges that the waiver promises,

1:26:22

it not being as intense as he claims,

1:26:24

and threatening people who go against him with lawsuits

1:26:26

or doxing them, which if you don't know what doxing

1:26:29

is, it's publishing a person's private information

1:26:31

online. So Ben's experience,

1:26:33

although extremely drawn out, is

1:26:36

a good example of the harassment that Russ

1:26:38

and his team put their haters through. So

1:26:40

by this point, I think that's what we have figured

1:26:43

out is the threatening things,

1:26:45

threatening lawsuits, threatened to dox people,

1:26:49

that is the scum behavior that

1:26:51

is actually tangible. In

1:26:54

my opinion, for the McNamee manor

1:26:56

as it exists today, have

1:26:58

they exposed that it doesn't exist? That

1:27:02

it's fake. Yeah, I don't really,

1:27:04

I'm not seeing that. Didn't get far enough to

1:27:07

really get, your investigation ended

1:27:10

before it began. Sorry guys, like you

1:27:12

didn't get far enough to even give us a

1:27:15

remote glimpse if that's true

1:27:17

or not. Here's one of my thoughts

1:27:19

too is if it is fake, what

1:27:21

the hell is the private group

1:27:25

possibly paying for or watching

1:27:27

people still be there? If they keep just watching

1:27:29

these people do the stupid mycraves

1:27:32

and getting shot in the face with water and

1:27:34

do crab walks with dog food, what

1:27:37

private Facebook group is interested in

1:27:39

watching that content? So that's, like

1:27:41

I said, there's just enough benefit of the doubt for

1:27:43

me to believe that there is something beyond where

1:27:46

Reckless Ben and Danny got. Speaking

1:27:48

of Danny, I wanted to bring our producer Danny in

1:27:50

here to see if he had any thoughts on the Reckless Ben

1:27:53

situation. Do

1:27:56

you have a take on it? I mean,

1:27:58

seems to me like.

1:27:59

They're just agitators. It kind of reminds

1:28:02

me of old YouTube prank videos where

1:28:04

they just go in Yeah, I'm trying to agitate

1:28:06

whoever there's whoever the subject is try

1:28:08

and get a reaction out of them and then use that as

1:28:10

them being exposed and

1:28:13

It's a classic formula exactly and agitating

1:28:15

someone and get into the point where they have an emotional

1:28:17

reaction is not exposing them Yeah,

1:28:20

it's not it's just it's just harassment.

1:28:22

It's called trolling. Yeah Exactly.

1:28:25

Yeah, that's all it is the fact that

1:28:27

they didn't even try just even try

1:28:29

to just be a little bit covert about it and Try and go

1:28:32

through the experience and not ask all these questions

1:28:34

if they really wanted to get all this all the information

1:28:36

they had You're right They would have just shut

1:28:38

up and gone through it and then at the

1:28:40

end maybe ask some questions They would have had the actual

1:28:42

experience and the footage from that, but

1:28:45

they didn't they

1:28:46

Started agitating the second they got there and

1:28:48

that's

1:28:49

that's that's not how you do journalism. That's

1:28:52

no This is in journalism at the day. It's not

1:28:54

if I will give props to reckless Ben because at

1:28:56

least his first shot through it He was

1:28:58

legitimately trying to get through it Yeah,

1:29:01

it was Danny bricks where he just gave up started

1:29:03

arguing very quickly, but I will give

1:29:05

props to reckless Ben He he legitimately

1:29:08

did try and go as far as he possibly

1:29:10

could and they were the ones that called it off And

1:29:12

he had an emotional response to what

1:29:15

he was dealing with and I understand that completely.

1:29:18

So I think to

1:29:20

sum it all up My advice

1:29:22

to reckless Ben and Danny

1:29:24

would be go watch the blackout

1:29:27

experiments documentary and I'm

1:29:30

sure you guys have probably seen the Hulu documentary, but

1:29:32

it's it's like if you guys are

1:29:35

aspiring to Documents,

1:29:38

you know have this inside investigation on

1:29:40

something that you Allegedly

1:29:43

think is a scam a fraud or

1:29:45

you know, you want to expose something. There is

1:29:47

a Proper way to go about doing

1:29:50

that and a more professional and

1:29:52

investigative Setting and

1:29:55

I think especially the blackout experiments.

1:29:57

I think I think Is

1:29:59

a much better look at how you actually

1:30:01

go in and look at something that maybe is controversial

1:30:06

versus doing it the way that you guys did. And I get

1:30:08

it, you guys are YouTubers at the end of the day

1:30:10

and that's the YouTube formula. You gotta get the content

1:30:12

out of there. So, and it's like, you

1:30:14

know, I'd love to see your guys' demographics because my

1:30:17

guess would be probably skews younger. And so,

1:30:19

yeah, people

1:30:22

love watching that shit. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun.

1:30:24

I enjoyed watching it. Honestly, it was, you

1:30:26

know, it was funny at times. It

1:30:29

was annoying at times. And ultimately,

1:30:32

like I said, you guys went there, you

1:30:34

guys attempted it. So I can't, I

1:30:37

can't pay it on you for that. So it's

1:30:40

not the expose that it claims it is, but

1:30:42

it's, it's just consistent.

1:30:45

It is an inside look based

1:30:47

on your experience. Yeah. And,

1:30:50

you know, we all still

1:30:52

have the same questions that you do. And,

1:30:55

you know, they're teasing this stolen footage

1:30:58

and one of his thumbnails has been

1:31:02

holding this hard drive, which he says he doesn't

1:31:04

have yet, or it was coming in the

1:31:06

mail or something like that. So that's clearly

1:31:08

like, you know, it's like, it's the classic YouTuber,

1:31:12

like you said, kind of prank style videos.

1:31:14

And that's what people on YouTube need

1:31:17

to understand or the audience on YouTube needs to understand is

1:31:19

like, you can't believe everything

1:31:22

that you see. Yeah. And people

1:31:24

manipulate things and twist things

1:31:26

and clickbait. And you know, we all,

1:31:28

everybody in YouTube who does this,

1:31:31

we all do it to some extent. We're

1:31:34

all guilty of it, because that's

1:31:36

just the way that YouTube is. So at the end of the day, it's

1:31:38

like, we're all playing the YouTube game. And for that,

1:31:41

I get why you guys did what you did. I

1:31:43

just think that to

1:31:46

go as far as you're trying

1:31:48

to go with the accusations and the allegations,

1:31:50

I think is a bit, I think you're

1:31:53

treading in

1:31:55

deep water, dark water there a little bit. So, and

1:31:59

as far as the sea, secret footage goes, which

1:32:01

I was going to touch on a little bit later, but

1:32:03

he, in the

1:32:06

latest live stream, I think he's

1:32:08

like, we have it. We're just trying to figure

1:32:10

out what to do with it. And I'm like,

1:32:13

I get that for us then. Yeah.

1:32:15

Or, or don't make a live video

1:32:17

and just work on that and

1:32:20

then bring us the cool exposé.

1:32:22

Right? Why does every, it's, it

1:32:24

would be crazy if a real exposé was

1:32:26

like, here are the steps

1:32:29

that I've gone through to expose somebody.

1:32:31

And I'm going to show every single

1:32:34

potential detail and do Q and A's.

1:32:36

And before I even actually expose

1:32:39

whatever I have, the world would be

1:32:41

insane if that's how journalism

1:32:43

worked. And so it just

1:32:45

gets a little exhausting. But

1:32:48

anyways, we'll link, we'll

1:32:50

link their, their channels and their videos

1:32:53

for you. If you're interested in seeing them in full

1:32:55

capacity, because obviously we just showed a couple little

1:32:57

snippets of it and ultimately

1:32:59

go make up your own minds on, on,

1:33:02

you know, their work. We're

1:33:04

not here to sway anybody's opinion

1:33:07

one way or another. All opinions are ours

1:33:09

only. So go

1:33:12

make up your own mind for them. And you know,

1:33:16

you can see it for yourself. But

1:33:18

moving on, let's move towards

1:33:21

this legendary waiver when

1:33:24

it comes to the Mckami Manor. So there's other sources

1:33:26

that have reported that Russ fabricated the intensity

1:33:28

of his manor years ago. In 2015,

1:33:31

Russ told the San Diego union Tribune that

1:33:33

much of what appears on his YouTube videos, vomiting

1:33:36

participants weeping and bruised, a young man crying

1:33:38

to be released as his head is shoved

1:33:40

underwater is quote unquote smoke and

1:33:42

mirrors, and that visitors are not held

1:33:45

against their will. So by 2015, he

1:33:47

had already admitted to exaggerating what was really

1:33:49

going on. Because anything he he literally

1:33:52

says this himself, I'm a filmmaker.

1:33:55

Yeah, first and foremost, like, I don't

1:33:57

even think he wants to be known

1:33:59

as like, the haunted attraction

1:34:01

guy. He's more interested in making the films

1:34:04

and the videos. Because obviously that's where

1:34:06

the money is too, is in the videos. But I think

1:34:08

that's what he truly enjoys the most is editing

1:34:10

the videos. I mean even his ex-wife

1:34:12

attests to how much time

1:34:15

he'd spend editing those tour videos. I

1:34:17

think that's really his

1:34:20

forte in all this is the editing and creating

1:34:23

the YouTube videos. With that said though,

1:34:26

if this is an expose on

1:34:28

the Mckamey Manor, Russ already

1:34:31

exposed himself back in 2015. He

1:34:33

said it's smoke and mirrors. He

1:34:35

has admitted that. So what's

1:34:38

there to expose if he's already exposed himself? If

1:34:40

he's already saying I've exaggerated these things,

1:34:42

it's smoke and mirrors, it's Hollywood, so to speak.

1:34:45

You could say it's kind of the same way

1:34:48

someone would claim that they're being sued for YouTube when

1:34:50

they're not. It's the same way

1:34:52

that someone could say that they're being sued

1:34:54

just for YouTube clicks or milking

1:34:56

hour-long videos when

1:34:59

there's absolutely no substance behind it. You

1:35:01

say you have secret footage when there's not. So

1:35:03

isn't that the same smoke and mirror game

1:35:07

you're playing that Russ is also playing? I'm

1:35:09

not saying that Russ isn't a piece of garbage.

1:35:12

I'm saying that we're all, every side

1:35:15

here is playing the smoke and mirrors game

1:35:17

of exaggerations and

1:35:19

making things seem way more intense

1:35:22

than what they really are. Has he ever released

1:35:24

an unedited, raw version of a tour?

1:35:28

Only the live streams as far as I know which are

1:35:30

current. But back then, he

1:35:33

has never done it because he said he's

1:35:35

like I want to protect the magic of

1:35:37

it. So that should tell you right

1:35:39

there that as extreme and crazy

1:35:41

as those videos seem, there's a lot we're

1:35:44

not seeing as well. Yeah, things can be

1:35:46

edited in a way to make it look far worse

1:35:48

and far more extreme than it actually is. You don't know what

1:35:50

the few scenes prior to what

1:35:52

you're watching where it could have been. We're

1:35:55

going to give you a break and then you're going to play

1:35:57

into this. I mean, you can even see

1:35:59

in the videos themselves.

1:35:59

Like

1:36:01

he is trying to play up the

1:36:03

reactions. He is trying to kind of

1:36:06

coach them by the ways that the things that he says

1:36:08

and to the participants and doesn't

1:36:12

mean that the participants reactions aren't necessarily

1:36:14

authentic and real but it's

1:36:16

very I mean, it's very obvious to me when you watch

1:36:18

through the videos that he is He's

1:36:21

constantly looking for that reaction. He even says it himself

1:36:24

He's like I didn't get the reaction that I wanted Because

1:36:27

ultimately he's he's concerned about the video

1:36:29

the end result of what the film is gonna be for

1:36:31

that particular tour yeah, and he's

1:36:34

he's trying to craft it in a way that he's getting

1:36:37

the the reactions that he wants

1:36:40

for Entertainment value

1:36:42

exactly the same way doesn't negate

1:36:44

the that reckless Ben is editing I

1:36:46

haven't seen the raw video footage of his

1:36:49

walkthrough. So yeah, everyone's

1:36:51

editing it. It's all smoke and mirrors here. It's all

1:36:53

Hollywood. Alright Screw

1:36:55

all this. I Did my own

1:36:58

research. All right, we're gonna dive into things

1:37:00

that I found good Lord. Did

1:37:02

I have to sift through quite a lot? I Went

1:37:06

through you know, I said it before how much I went

1:37:08

through but I've found a leaked

1:37:10

waiver Just fun. We're

1:37:12

gonna go through a little bit of this. This was

1:37:15

this copy is from 2017 Which

1:37:17

I believe he was still at his San Diego place

1:37:20

then And I do

1:37:22

want to address a

1:37:24

lot of the accusations from then and anywhere

1:37:26

that they the waiver was Promising things

1:37:29

which the waiver like we said the waiver doesn't

1:37:31

promise things the waivers using terminology

1:37:33

like the participant agrees to and understands

1:37:36

or Acknowledges and

1:37:38

agrees that things will happen

1:37:41

also,

1:37:43

it's riddled with grammatical and

1:37:45

spelling errors and they're

1:37:47

just It's some

1:37:50

of it's kind of hard to read and it looks like they're slapping

1:37:52

things in last minute like oh I thought of this

1:37:55

we should throw that in there and some of the

1:37:57

causes are just ridiculous outright

1:38:00

Some of the things are so stupid in here that

1:38:03

if you think that they were real and still

1:38:06

continued on, I don't

1:38:09

know. That's just a poor reflection on you.

1:38:11

If you legitimately thought, we're going to go

1:38:14

through some of these. If you think these are real,

1:38:16

I just don't know what to say about you. Line 32

1:38:19

of the waiver says, participant agrees

1:38:21

to partake if selected to participate

1:38:24

in a height stunt that involves walking

1:38:26

and playing 25 feet above ground without

1:38:29

a safety net. Line 35,

1:38:31

participant acknowledges and agrees to be submerged in 60

1:38:34

feet of open water. Participant

1:38:36

acknowledges and agrees that their breathing apparatus will

1:38:38

be removed and that it is the participant's

1:38:41

responsibility to make their way to the surface on their

1:38:43

own. If done incorrectly, there's a real chance

1:38:45

of participant drowning or receiving decompression

1:38:47

sickness, aka the bends,

1:38:50

which could cause permanent injury or even death. Right

1:38:53

there. Come on, guys. Where

1:38:56

is he getting 60 feet of open water?

1:39:00

This is crazy. This is clearly to just

1:39:02

psych you out. I feel like, oh my God, I

1:39:05

could face every single

1:39:07

fear and known demand in this particular hunt.

1:39:10

Line 54, participant fully understands and agrees

1:39:12

that they may be crushed in a pit by various

1:39:14

objects. Okay. Participant

1:39:17

fully understands and agrees that if they are selected to visit

1:39:19

the quote unquote dentist, that they may have a

1:39:21

tooth extracted without no vecane and

1:39:24

will not hold the became a man or liable. Insane.

1:39:27

That doesn't who who thinks

1:39:29

that's actually better ever had a tooth removed

1:39:32

in the came. No, you can't

1:39:34

you can't do these things. We'll get into a little bit. That's

1:39:37

you just can't do these things. It doesn't matter

1:39:39

if you have a waiver. Love this

1:39:41

line. Line 64 participant

1:39:44

fully understands and agrees that M.K. Ultra,

1:39:47

aka mind control, may be

1:39:49

used. They're

1:39:51

getting the FBI agents or CIA agents

1:39:54

to like dose the water or something

1:39:56

before they go in there. Line 107

1:39:59

participant. agrees to have hundreds of pounds

1:40:01

of chain wrapped around their body with the possibility of being

1:40:03

crushed or death. They do wrap

1:40:05

chains around you but I don't know about hundreds and hundreds

1:40:08

of pounds. You'd

1:40:10

kill you. There would be dead bodies

1:40:12

littered around the M'Kami Manor if he

1:40:14

followed through with any of these things. Line 112,

1:40:18

participant agrees that if selected to participate in

1:40:21

Houdini's Chinese Water Torture apparatus,

1:40:23

which will include being submerged upside down by

1:40:25

your ankles with a straitjacket, in a cylinder

1:40:28

with live moire eels,

1:40:31

there is a real possibility of drowning if participant

1:40:33

is unable to control their breath. Line 114,

1:40:37

participant agrees to participate in a high

1:40:39

speed barrel roll where the participant gets

1:40:42

inside a 55 gallon drum as the

1:40:44

barrel rolls down a severely steamed mountain. Where

1:40:47

is he getting a mountain out here too? It

1:40:50

is participant's responsibility to secure themselves

1:40:52

inside the drum in order to not receive serious bodily

1:40:54

injury. The drum will end in a 10 foot

1:40:56

pond. What?

1:40:59

This guy is, I mean, gotta hand it to Russ,

1:41:02

he's a creative individual. I

1:41:04

wonder how long it took him to come up with the favor. Which

1:41:07

he clearly wrote himself. Yes, 100%. There

1:41:10

is no legal

1:41:13

person who would sign their name

1:41:15

to this ever. Yeah. Okay,

1:41:17

this is clearly a joke. It's

1:41:19

clearly just there to psych you up

1:41:22

into thinking, holy shit, I might

1:41:24

die in this haunt. Line 138,

1:41:28

participant acknowledges and agrees that they are agreeing

1:41:30

to participate in Mikimi Manor's extinction

1:41:33

for up to 36 hours in which Mikimi Manor is

1:41:35

permitted to continue with the game at any point in

1:41:37

that 36 hour window. Towards

1:41:39

the end it says, basically participant is basically

1:41:42

going to, for lack of a better word, going

1:41:44

to be body hardened. What?

1:41:47

That's a little glimpse into how poorly this

1:41:50

is written though. Basically

1:41:52

participant is basically going to, for

1:41:54

lack of a better word, and going to be body

1:41:57

hardened. Alright.

1:42:00

But throughout all these, here is

1:42:02

one of my favorite. Actually here's my number one. Line 72.

1:42:07

Participant fully understands and agrees

1:42:10

that McCamey Manor will use

1:42:12

humiliation tactics such

1:42:15

as name calling. God forbid.

1:42:18

Back to the schoolyard. Yeah, right. Like

1:42:22

out of everything, it's just

1:42:25

God forbid the name calling. Here's my second

1:42:27

favorite. Line 120. Participant

1:42:30

understands that there is a real possibility

1:42:33

that they may experience hypothermia. If

1:42:36

hypothermia becomes an issue, the tour

1:42:38

will stop immediately. No questions

1:42:40

asked. So we'll kill your ass. But

1:42:42

if you put you in a barrel and roll you down a mountain, but

1:42:44

if you get cold and start shivering, we'll

1:42:47

tour over. We're not going to have any

1:42:49

popsicles on this tour, okay? It's

1:42:52

so ridiculous. Plus

1:42:55

in this leaked waiver, there supposedly was at some

1:42:57

point a safe phrase after all. So

1:43:00

that's more of the rumors and mystique has

1:43:03

been exposed. This is at least in the 2017 version. It

1:43:06

says, quote, participant understands for

1:43:08

this specific show only. So they do just

1:43:11

point out this one. I think it's called, was it extermination,

1:43:14

I believe. For this show,

1:43:16

that participant is being offered a safe

1:43:19

phrase. It is up to the participant

1:43:21

to use this phrase due to their weakness

1:43:25

if they feel they need such a weak precaution

1:43:28

as a safe phrase. But

1:43:33

here's where this concept of a waiver

1:43:35

really comes into play. And here's one of the most contentious

1:43:38

lines in the waiver. Line 51.

1:43:41

Participant fully understands that injuries may occur during

1:43:44

their tour of McKinney Manor, which may

1:43:46

include but not limited to

1:43:48

head, neck, and back injuries, death,

1:43:51

stroke, traumatic brain injury,

1:43:54

brain aneurysms, cerebral

1:43:56

or retinal hemorrhage, subdural

1:43:58

hematoma. Loss of consciousness,

1:44:01

whiplash, harmful heart reactions,

1:44:03

nausea, headache, dizziness, lacerations,

1:44:07

broken or sprained bones, torn

1:44:09

ligaments, bleeding wounds, scrapes and or

1:44:11

cuts, heat stroke or drowning

1:44:14

does not hold McCamey

1:44:16

Manor responsible. But here's

1:44:19

the thing. Here's the ultimate thing, which is what

1:44:21

we've been trying to get for with this consent.

1:44:25

A waiver does not legally protect against

1:44:28

consequences of serious bodily injury.

1:44:31

That's not how things work. So

1:44:33

serious bodily injury is something like death,

1:44:35

stroke, traumatic brain injuries, neck

1:44:37

and back injuries, broken bones. Plus

1:44:39

they even add in, you know, emotional distress

1:44:42

and psychological issues. It doesn't really

1:44:44

matter if you had signed a waiver or

1:44:46

not. The same way that I

1:44:48

just, we can't get a waiver going that says

1:44:51

Danny can legally pile drive

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