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So I put in there, you know, like,

1:00

would you think I would hurt her or

1:02

something? The

1:04

mayor has asked the federal justice department

1:06

for help cleaning up the New Orleans

1:08

police, long plagued by what many see

1:11

as a culture of corruption. Why did

1:13

the family find her fucking body and not

1:15

the police? You don't care enough to make

1:17

sure that you have the right person in

1:20

the crosshairs of the legal

1:22

justice system. Then you are

1:24

ignoring evidence and you're ignoring the person

1:27

that caused the real harm. I don't want to

1:29

be sexist, but women tend to do that. At

1:32

least to me, I put it that way. I

1:34

mean, so close to home too, like what an utter

1:36

failure. This tells you that this can happen

1:38

to anybody. Nobody is immune from crime. Justice

1:44

to me is being in a

1:46

courtroom and the person who did

1:48

this to my sister the judge

1:50

says guilty. What's

2:01

up everybody welcome back to another episode

2:04

of Lights Out, another evil

2:07

mom case. So let's talk

2:09

about Diane Stoudie.

2:12

So Diane met her husband, Mark

2:14

Stoudie, at a bluegrass festival in

2:16

1984. He

2:18

was always happy with the kids, he was always

2:20

happy with his wife. He loved

2:22

him, he loved his family, and it was just a

2:25

great family. So the day

2:27

after Mark's birthday was Easter, and

2:29

that's when they found Mark unresponsive

2:32

and they declared him dead. On

2:35

September 2nd, 2012, emergency services

2:37

were called to their new house.

2:40

Diane's oldest son, 26 year old

2:43

Sean, was found unresponsive. Did

2:45

you want her room? We

2:48

talked about basically

2:50

a mutual hatred of bad.

2:53

Houses are nasty after somebody

2:56

died. Lights

3:10

Out, everybody.

3:14

What's up everybody welcome back to another episode

3:16

of Lights Out. The

3:19

boys and I are back for another

3:22

evil mom case. I don't

3:24

know why we've been on the evil

3:26

mom kick lately. Seems to be cropping

3:29

up here, but man they give me

3:31

the heebies youbies. I can't.

3:34

It's hard to fathom. Yeah, mothers that

3:36

do things against their own family, it's

3:38

just hard to wrap your head around.

3:41

I think it's some of the most evil

3:43

they could possibly do. And this

3:45

one is no exception, except the difference

3:47

between her and Shelly

3:50

Notetek is slightly different,

3:52

but the big difference between this case

3:54

and the Shelly Notetek case is that

3:57

this evil mom decides

3:59

to recall. recruit one of her daughters, her

4:01

favorite daughter to take part

4:03

in her evil plan. And this

4:05

one will, will definitely shake you to your

4:07

core because it's just unbelievable.

4:11

The destruction that she

4:13

unleashes on those

4:16

closest to her. If I could

4:18

be a fly on the wall of

4:20

that house, I know just to listen

4:22

in on what conversations were transpiring. It's

4:25

hard to imagine that these things

4:27

just crop up naturally. And this

4:31

is a, this is a woman who is a

4:33

nurse who literally makes

4:36

her living, taking care

4:38

of people and

4:40

nurturing them back to health. But

4:43

in this case, that's also similar to

4:45

Shelley. No, it's actually true healthcare as

4:47

well. Maybe there's something

4:49

to it. Yeah. Very, very scary. But

4:51

that's what we're going to be getting into today. Before

4:55

we dive in though, a couple of things I want

4:57

to mention. Welcome back. First of all, from our latest

5:02

holiday. Yeah. Happy Thanksgiving. Happy

5:04

Thanksgiving, everybody. Hopefully it was

5:06

a good one for you. It

5:08

was good for me. How was yours? Oh,

5:10

just spent most of my time moving. Did you

5:13

have turkey at least? I didn't go home. No,

5:15

I had some pizza rolls. My

5:18

kitchen was totally in disarray. So I was like,

5:20

I can't cook right now. Yeah. Was

5:22

it at least good pizza rolls or was

5:25

it just to teen years? It was. Yeah.

5:27

That was it. Man, not even some bagel

5:29

bites. You know, sometimes the Buddhist

5:31

say, you know, just be present and

5:33

try and enjoy yourself. You know, be

5:35

thankful for what you have. Exactly. Yeah.

5:38

But how was yours? Good. Danny and

5:41

I chef up quite the feast, man.

5:43

Yeah. Did Danny go shirtless too? I

5:45

saw you went shirtless. I think, you

5:47

know, that was a pre everybody coming

5:49

over. Oh, gosh. Yeah. Yeah. But

5:52

now Danny and I, I smoked a turkey.

5:54

Ooh, nice. For like five hours and that

5:56

turned out pretty damn good. It was

5:59

delicious. My uncle smoked it. I looked at

6:01

Turkey once and he undercooked it by a

6:03

mile. And it was like not good. Still

6:05

pink inside, it's just going. No. Yeah,

6:07

we did Turkey and then Danny made a

6:10

bunch of different sides, bunch of mashed

6:13

potatoes, green beans. All the classics. Yeah, he

6:15

basically took care of all the rest, so

6:17

he kind of tag teamed it

6:20

for the fam, so. Nice. I

6:22

love a classic Thanksgiving meal. Sometimes I think I

6:24

get sick of it, but then when I have

6:26

it again, I'm like, ah, that was

6:28

good. It just hits, man. Every year I

6:30

just look forward to it. This

6:33

year was no exception. My daughter loved

6:35

it. She's only 15 months

6:37

old or almost 16 months in. Last

6:41

year it was just formula at her

6:43

first Thanksgiving. Can she eat mashed

6:45

potatoes and stuff now? She can take Turkey

6:47

down. Oh yeah, she takes it all

6:49

down. She loves it all. So she really

6:51

enjoyed it. Oh, Danny

6:54

made some bomb mac and cheese. And

6:56

we made so much. We were supposed to, we thought

6:58

we were gonna have like 10 to 12 people, it

7:00

was seven, but we still cooked for like

7:02

12 people. So we

7:05

had literally two pounds of macaroni and

7:07

cheese. White cheddar.

7:09

Dry. It was two pounds of pasta dry. Wow.

7:12

Yes. I still have a gallon sized bag in

7:14

my fridge of mac and cheese. Well,

7:17

I got some pizza rolls. Maybe I'll bring it to

7:20

you and you can, just

7:22

bring you the leftovers. Well shit, man, if you hadn't

7:24

been moving, I would have just invited you over. It's

7:26

okay. We actually talked about that.

7:28

I was like, does that have anywhere to go

7:30

this year? Yeah, I was gonna go to like

7:32

my cousin's company. I was like, well, you have.

7:34

I did have a hookup, but I ended up

7:36

canceling myself because I was like, I'm way too

7:39

stressed with this move. I

7:41

was planning on making a peach cobbler. I'm like, I

7:44

can't even wrap my head around a peach cobbler right

7:46

now. It's not even that hard.

7:48

Microwave only. Yeah. Yeah. I

7:50

should have just bought something from the store and showed up.

7:53

Yeah, God, you can get Thanksgiving

7:56

to go from like, I think

7:58

like Bojangles or something was doing. Like I

8:00

think you're a meal together. There's some restaurants that do it

8:02

like to go where you not a day of though You

8:04

have to like pick it up the day before or something.

8:06

Yeah. Yeah, but that's not as

8:08

good though, man Yeah, I should have just

8:10

done something like that and sucked it up.

8:13

But yeah, no, it's just me and Jerry

8:15

this Thanksgiving That's alright. That's alright But

8:18

the other thing I wanted to bring up is

8:20

we dropped that new hoodie Which

8:22

is really cool. Go pick it up if

8:24

you want it because there's limited quantities of it Really

8:27

really heavy weight great quality. It's

8:29

got the puff print on the front Love

8:32

it. It's super warm at lights

8:34

out cast out shop and then also we

8:38

we did the kind of a lights out

8:40

mile higher podcast crossover last week and Actually

8:45

the episodes going up this Wednesday so a few

8:47

days before this one goes up but if

8:49

you want to go check out Austin came over and

8:52

And Guest hosted

8:54

mile higher with me and we covered

8:56

Stardust Ranch and that was so much

8:58

fun It was a blast. Yeah, and a great story to

9:00

hope Kendall goes out of town I can take over that

9:02

was a lot of fun. Also just heads up I

9:08

shine like the Sun on that episode

9:10

because I put on too much Moisturizer,

9:13

so I'm not sweating. I'm not

9:15

nervous. I'm just It's

9:18

I got to switch up my my great-grandma in

9:22

Yeah, it's Dewey as they say Dewey,

9:24

but no that's a great a great episode We'll link

9:27

it for you below if you want to go check

9:29

it out after this one Because

9:31

it's a kind of got the whole skinwalker vibe But

9:34

with a little more drama and conspiracy

9:37

mixed into it, but

9:39

an absolutely great episode If

9:41

you're looking for some more content to watch or listen

9:44

to So yeah, lots of

9:46

fun things going on. But let's let's go ahead

9:48

and dive into this case because this one is

9:52

It's just bonkers man. So let's talk

9:54

about Diane Stoudy,

9:57

so let's talk about their family and kind

9:59

of how we got to where we're at

10:01

today, because Diane is, I mean,

10:04

there's ever been a monster. She's

10:07

definitely one of them. So Diane

10:09

met her husband, or I guess,

10:11

ex-husband at this point, Mark

10:14

Stoudy, at a bluegrass festival

10:16

in 1984. Mark,

10:19

big into music, musician, can

10:21

absolutely shred on the harmonica. Yeah, aren't you in

10:23

a bluegrass? Don't you play a little bluegrass? Yeah,

10:26

yeah, well, I grew up in, my

10:28

brother plays the banjo, we play guitar, we back

10:30

each other up, we did some shows and

10:33

stuff back in the day. It's awesome. Yeah, get

10:35

down on that, you know, as people call it

10:37

hillbilly music. Jerry Garcia started

10:39

in bluegrass. Thank you. Yeah.

10:41

A lot of people don't, or forget that, or

10:43

don't know that. Yeah. About the

10:46

Grateful Dead. That's why you can shred so hard as

10:48

you can. I mean, bluegrass is really the foundation

10:50

for jam band music. Yeah, exactly.

10:53

For that whole genre, I feel like, kinda originates

10:55

from those roots. For sure, definitely. If you haven't

10:57

heard bluegrass music before, we talk about metal and

10:59

a lot of heavier music on

11:02

the show, but bluegrass is, it's

11:04

basically metal with acoustic instruments. Yeah.

11:07

The sheer speed is phenomenal. Very fast, yeah.

11:10

It's very fast. So,

11:13

Mark was 10 years older

11:15

than Diane, and Diane

11:17

really loved how nice he was, and

11:19

they bonded over their love of music.

11:22

Later, when she worked as a cardiology nurse

11:24

at St. John's Hospital in Kansas City, Diane

11:26

got pregnant, and they had a

11:29

shotgun wedding on December 28th, 1985. They

11:32

then moved into a modest

11:35

three-bedroom home at 2444 West

11:37

Page Street in Springfield, Missouri,

11:40

a sleepy college town, and

11:42

here they would raise four children together.

11:45

Their first was Shawn, who was born in July of

11:47

1986. After

11:49

Shawn, they had three daughters, named

11:52

Sarah, Rachel, and Brianna. And

11:54

while raising a family, Diane was

11:56

definitely the breadwinner. She later worked

11:58

in health insurance and became a... medical supervisor

12:00

for United Healthcare in Springfield.

12:03

And on weekends,

12:05

that love of music came out because

12:08

she played the organ at the local Redeemer

12:10

Lutheran Church. And that's another thing that just

12:12

really gets me about Diane Stoudie is that

12:15

she's that good church-going

12:18

woman, she's devalued. Yeah, she

12:20

takes it very seriously. She contributes to the church.

12:23

She plays that organ. I mean, organs

12:26

and churches just go together like peanut butter and

12:28

jelly. It's

12:30

always the deeply, deeply religious people that

12:32

you kind of gotta keep your watch

12:35

on. Yeah, which you wouldn't

12:37

think that's the case, but I

12:40

mean, sometimes I feel like they use that as

12:42

a disguise almost. A mask, exactly. It's like, you

12:45

know, wear a better place to hide if

12:47

you're truly evil than in a church. Nobody's

12:51

gonna suspect the wolf in sheep's clothing.

12:54

As for Mark, he sometimes works as a bartender on

12:56

the side for extra cash. But he

12:58

really spent most of his time playing guitar, Monica,

13:00

he also sang a little bit

13:03

for a local country blues band called

13:05

Messing with Destiny. Mark's

13:07

drummer and close friend named Charles Alexander

13:09

once put it, as far as I

13:11

knew, Mark's life was great.

13:13

So there's really no indications of like

13:16

anything negative brewing in

13:18

the Stoudie family home. So

13:21

let's hear a little bit from Charles and

13:23

his thoughts about Mark and their family.

13:28

As far as I knew, Mark's life was great.

13:32

Charles Alexander is Mark's close buddy and the

13:34

drummer in the band. He was always

13:36

happy with the kids. He was always happy with his

13:39

wife. He loved him. He loved

13:41

his family. And it was just a great family. Gotta

13:45

hear a little bit of the music going.

13:47

Yeah, yep, really, really good. So

13:50

from the outside, the Stoudies lived an ideal

13:52

life. Mark was always warm

13:54

and friendly and Diane though

13:56

was a little bit more quiet and

13:58

standoffish, which... When you see her,

14:01

you definitely can see how that's very,

14:04

very true. She speaks in very

14:06

short sentences. Seems

14:09

like she's just disinterested in most things

14:11

when she talks. Which

14:13

is another red flag. Yeah, seriously.

14:17

Charles described Diane as being friendly

14:19

to the point where, or she

14:21

could tolerate you, being in

14:23

her driveway. Because that was

14:26

like the thing. He's like, yeah, she

14:28

didn't let people inside the house. Especially him, which

14:30

he was a super close friend to Mark. And

14:32

she just wouldn't let like meet you in the

14:35

driveway. You're not going any further. We can maybe

14:37

get in the garage. You have a side of

14:39

that. So definitely,

14:41

definitely a little bit strange. But

14:45

over the years, Diane began to resent

14:47

Mark for not providing more financial security

14:49

for her family. She began distancing

14:51

herself from her husband and spent more time

14:53

with her middle daughter, 22

14:56

year old Rachel. So

14:58

Diane, she wasn't afraid to show that

15:00

Rachel, her middle daughter, was her favorite

15:03

child. Which we'll

15:05

get into a little bit later, but she

15:07

would post pictures on her social media constantly

15:09

and brag about her accomplishments. But as

15:12

for her youngest daughter, 12 year

15:14

old Brianna, she had some intellectual

15:16

disabilities. There's not much else known

15:18

about her. Her name has

15:20

since been changed and she has

15:22

kind of faded out of the spotlight.

15:24

So we don't know too much about her youngest. As

15:27

for her oldest son, 26 year old

15:29

Sean, he was diagnosed with autism. He

15:32

often struggled with maintaining a job. He didn't

15:34

get along with his co-workers. Her

15:37

eldest daughter, 24 year old Sarah,

15:39

she went on to graduate with a

15:41

degree in French from Missouri State University,

15:43

which was also in Springfield just nearby.

15:46

But after graduating, like

15:49

many of us, she couldn't find work. So she

15:51

moved back home with her family and she struggled

15:53

to pay off her student debt, which

15:55

Diane was always constantly worried about

15:58

and nagged her about constantly. and

16:00

I don't know, were

16:02

you ever there after graduating? Yeah,

16:05

I mean, I can relate to

16:07

that. I mean, I paid for

16:09

my own college. Oh, did you? Yeah, I

16:11

didn't, that's impressive. Parents didn't pay a dime

16:14

for my college. I put myself through college

16:16

and paid it all off, but I

16:19

do understand from that single parent

16:22

income, because my home

16:25

was the same type of way. My mom's

16:27

a breadwinner and my dad

16:29

didn't really work, kind of did odd jobs

16:31

type of things. So similar situation, and

16:33

she definitely felt the pressure. So I

16:35

understand from that perspective, like in any

16:38

single family, I mean, this

16:42

applies to any family where there's a single breadwinner

16:45

and a lot of us, I have friends

16:47

and stuff who grew up where

16:49

their dad made the money

16:52

for the household, but that definitely carries stress,

16:54

especially in these times, right? Like that's a

16:56

very, very difficult thing to do. And

16:59

so I could see

17:01

how Diane would be irritated and

17:04

frustrated maybe perhaps with her choice of

17:06

major, I mean, a degree in French, I don't

17:08

really know what career

17:10

she'd translate from that. But again, it's

17:13

higher education still. Yeah, it's like, you

17:15

basically could do like English as a

17:17

second language, something in education, I'm assuming

17:20

is what you'd mostly get a job

17:22

with French. I wonder if

17:24

Diane ever like pushed them into

17:26

healthcare, like ever

17:28

was like, you should go into healthcare because

17:31

obviously a lot of healthcare jobs pay pretty

17:33

well, especially nurses get paid pretty

17:35

well. And maybe there was something like that

17:37

going on where it's like, she was trying to like push

17:40

Sarah into that direction, but Sarah wanted to do

17:42

ultimately what she was interested in. And

17:45

therefore there's resentment built

17:47

up from that. And I mean, I can't

17:49

talk, I got a degree in

17:51

creative writing, so. Yeah,

17:53

were you able to use your creative writing degree out of

17:56

college? Not immediately, no, I

17:58

was stuck in a spiral. for a

18:00

very long time. So yeah, it wasn't

18:03

until I came across old Josh here.

18:06

I'm like. Pulled you out of that spiral. Like

18:08

you want to write, man? Oh yeah. So

18:10

yeah. It did pay off

18:12

in the long run though, but I understand the

18:14

pressure and I don't know, things get depressing and

18:16

stuff after graduation when you can't find a job.

18:19

But so that's where her eldest

18:21

daughter was at. But between

18:24

them all, Rachel stayed

18:26

as Diane's favorite through all the years.

18:28

And on social media, she would brag

18:30

about Rachel making the Dean's list or

18:32

picking up the guitar after her father.

18:35

And if she already wasn't her favorite,

18:37

Rachel also began performing in the music

18:40

ministry in their Lutheran church. So Diane

18:42

was through the roof with how proud she

18:45

was of Rachel. Which do you think some

18:47

of that is because

18:49

Diane sees it as a reflection of herself

18:51

too. Yeah, absolutely. And it

18:53

feeds her ego by having this daughter that she

18:55

can show off and is kind of following more

18:58

so in her mother's footsteps. That's a great point. Yeah.

19:01

Versus her other kids are not

19:03

really, you know, shining the

19:05

light on her necessarily in the way that she

19:07

wants it. Yeah, that's a great point. So

19:11

over the years, Diane distanced herself

19:14

slowly from her family members. Everybody

19:16

basically except Rachel. She

19:18

was, Rachel was just always under her

19:20

mother's wing. And Mark,

19:23

we don't really know the home

19:25

dynamics here but Mark's focus was mostly

19:27

on his band. That's what he loved

19:30

to do. And by 2012, his

19:33

band Messing with Destiny started getting bigger,

19:35

consistent gigs at the local bars and

19:37

venues in Bronson, which was

19:40

a city about 40 miles south of

19:42

Springfield. And funny, it's also

19:44

known as the Las Vegas of the

19:46

Midwest, which I come from the Midwest

19:48

and I've never heard of Bronson before.

19:51

They don't do a good enough advertising, I

19:53

feel like. Yeah, seriously. They're really the Las

19:55

Vegas of the Midwest. I will say though,

19:57

from the pictures and videos I saw. front

20:00

and it looked kind of cool. So I

20:02

guess that's what they have going on out that

20:04

way. But just

20:06

when his band started making more money from their

20:08

shows, they noticed, especially one

20:11

day, they noticed Mark was acting kind of

20:13

strange. And on Friday, April 6th, 2012, the

20:15

band was setting

20:18

up their equipment and doing sound checks for

20:20

the gig. And the rest of the members

20:22

noticed that something was just a little off

20:24

about Mark, but they couldn't pinpoint it. He

20:27

didn't really bring the same amount of energy

20:29

that he usually did. And his drummer and

20:31

good friend Charles, who we saw earlier, he

20:33

said, quote, it wasn't like he was drunk

20:35

or anything. He was just all out of

20:37

whack. As it turns out,

20:39

his son Sean also posted several times on Facebook

20:42

over the course of a few days around then.

20:44

And it was about

20:46

his dad and he was losing

20:48

his motor skills. And he was

20:50

saying that his father was suffering

20:52

from some incurable mental illness. So

20:55

even his son started seeing these changes

20:57

in him. And on

20:59

that Friday, Sean posted that his

21:01

father was depressed and even suicidal.

21:04

God, so major,

21:06

major shift. Yeah. In Mark,

21:08

something clearly mentally, emotionally.

21:11

Yeah. And the day

21:13

after that gig was Mark's 61st

21:16

birthday, and his condition just continued

21:18

to deteriorate. He showed up to

21:21

Charles house ready to celebrate his birthday. But

21:23

even Charles noticed that he had gotten worse

21:25

over the course of the day. And he

21:27

noticed the strangest part was that Mark's

21:30

skin had this yellowish greenish

21:32

tinge to it. And he

21:35

was still acting strange. And I know, I know

21:37

yellow tinge is a big sign of like, a

21:41

deep illness, like something really good.

21:43

I'm pretty sure it's also indication

21:45

of like, organ

21:48

failure, like some type of internal

21:51

situation going on. That would make sense. So

21:54

the day after Mark's birthday was Easter. And

21:57

Sean posted that his father was so weak that he spent

21:59

most of the day in bed. And

22:01

later that afternoon emergency services were called

22:03

to the Stoudie residence and

22:06

that's when they found Mark unresponsive

22:09

and they declared him dead. When

22:11

police questioned Diane, she said Mark

22:13

had been quote feeling weak the

22:15

last few days. He was

22:17

rarely eating and spent most of his time sleeping.

22:20

Diane had checked on him several times and when she

22:23

asked him questions all he could do was grunt. Other

22:25

times he didn't respond at all even. She

22:28

also claimed that he suffered from three different

22:30

seizures that day. So just right

22:32

off the bat it's like that's

22:35

pretty serious. You know,

22:37

how come emergency services are just now getting

22:39

called after he's dead? Right. I would have

22:42

taken him like the moment

22:44

he started acting strange and I could see

22:46

that his skin color was yeah, that's

22:48

when I would take him to the hospital right? Well,

22:51

Diane didn't really seem seem

22:54

that worried about it after Diane had returned

22:56

from the Easter Sunday service. So she still went

22:58

to church despite her husband essentially

23:01

dying at home because she

23:03

wants to save face. Right. A good churchwoman,

23:05

right? Yeah, she can't leave the church hanging.

23:08

Mark had suffered his third and final

23:10

seizure and 45 minutes later that's when

23:13

she found him unresponsive. So obviously

23:15

when the police get there, they're

23:17

like, why didn't you call an ambulance or

23:20

take him to the hospital? Why is he just

23:22

suffering at home from this mysterious

23:24

illness? And she

23:26

claims that Mark refused to go to

23:28

the very convenient response.

23:32

Maybe it's true. Maybe it's not. Later.

23:34

She said that Mark threatened to kill her.

23:37

If she took him to the hospital,

23:39

here's where I found her first lie.

23:41

Now I don't know when she's exactly

23:43

saying this in the course of his

23:45

illness, but she

23:47

had already said he could barely

23:49

talk. He was just grunting. So

23:52

when did he say that he didn't

23:54

want to go to the hospital? And also, isn't there

23:56

a certain point that it's like, Oh, I'll kill you

23:58

if you take me to the. this you

24:00

take me to the hospital. Well, hey, you can't

24:02

speak and you're going to die if I don't

24:04

take you to the hospital. I'm like, oh, okay,

24:06

you don't want to go, fine. Seems

24:10

pretty suspect. When

24:12

police inspected his body, they noticed there was

24:14

blood all around his mouth, which was definitely

24:16

odd. But other than that,

24:18

they didn't see any signs of physical trauma.

24:21

So they figured Mark had simply died of

24:23

natural causes, which you

24:25

can critique the police in most cases

24:27

and be like, why don't you dig a

24:30

little bit deeper? But again, like you

24:32

have to remember when they're showing up to these scenes,

24:35

they have to go off of what information

24:37

they're given, right? And at first look,

24:41

things sort of check out. Obviously,

24:44

there's definitely some red

24:46

flags in my opinion that maybe

24:48

warrant more investigation or digging.

24:51

But based on the information

24:53

that they're getting from Diane, who also happens

24:55

to be a nurse, and they start explaining

24:57

that Mark wasn't the healthiest guy, he wasn't

25:00

a drug addict or an alcoholic, but

25:02

Diane said that Mark was a binge drinker,

25:04

a diabetic, and a smoker. So she kind

25:06

of uses those to create the narrative

25:10

that, well, he was diabetic

25:13

and he smoked, so anything could happen. Yeah,

25:15

I mean, I could kind of see people

25:17

die of massive heart attacks in like the

25:19

30s and stuff. So it's not

25:22

totally out of

25:24

the realm of possibility. But she

25:26

also said he never went to the doctor and

25:28

he never exercised. So even

25:30

though his death was a shock, Mark's family

25:32

accepted that he could have suddenly fallen ill

25:35

and just passed away. Because

25:37

they all knew that he wasn't the healthiest guy.

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Diane started telling people that Mark had died

26:43

from a sudden heart attack. After

26:46

his death, an autopsy was never

26:48

performed. At Mark's memorial, his

26:50

band members performed a song in his honor. Meanwhile,

26:54

Diane collected $20,000 from Mark's life insurance

26:56

policy. She then

26:58

quickly cremated his body and scattered

27:00

his ashes in a nearby lake.

27:03

So again, at this point, nothing

27:06

necessarily completely out of

27:08

the ordinary here. But as we go further along,

27:10

you'll be like, oh, interesting

27:13

that she kind of moved very quickly past

27:15

Mark's death. Yeah, and the $20,000 isn't anything

27:17

insane. But

27:21

for her, it definitely helps. Yeah,

27:23

and we'll see that she uses it

27:26

towards something. So two months after Mark's

27:28

death, Diane used the cash from her

27:30

husband's life insurance policy to

27:32

move into a bigger house that was about

27:35

five miles across town at 1644 West Swan

27:37

Street. And

27:41

at this new house, not

27:43

even six months after Mark's death

27:46

on September 2, 2012,

27:48

emergency services were called to their new

27:51

house. Diane's oldest son,

27:53

26-year-old Sean, was found unresponsive,

27:55

just like his father. Diane

27:58

had discovered him on his way to work. bedroom floor around

28:01

12.30 pm after she

28:03

got home from church, almost exactly

28:05

like she found her husband. She

28:08

told police that the last time she

28:10

had spoken to Sean was the night

28:12

before. He had been complaining of feeling

28:14

sick and nauseous. Supposedly he was also

28:16

suffering from severe aches and diarrhea. She

28:18

claimed he had had these symptoms for maybe

28:20

a few weeks, but they escalated in the

28:22

past few days. But

28:25

just like she did with Mark, Diane would

28:27

go in and check on him every once in a while,

28:29

but she never once took him to the hospital. And

28:32

when police inspected the body, they noticed

28:34

a familiar coating of blood around Sean's

28:36

lips, just like Mark had. Diane

28:39

told them that Sean was prone to seizures.

28:42

Besides that, there was no signs of physical

28:44

trauma. And the official cause

28:46

of death from the medical examiner

28:48

was, quote, prior medical issues. They

28:51

noted that Sean had a congenital

28:54

kidney defect and he had suffered

28:56

from brain damage, including seizures and

28:58

small strokes. But at the time

29:00

they just didn't consider foul

29:02

play to be involved. And

29:04

still no one connected

29:06

the dots between Mark's deaths and Sean's.

29:09

And some people just saw it as just

29:11

extreme bad luck. But I don't know. At

29:13

this point, six months. Yeah.

29:15

Two people dead in like in

29:18

the home in the same circumstances

29:20

too. Come on. This

29:22

is where I would kind of fault police by

29:25

now. Maybe the first death I could kind

29:27

of understand, but why

29:29

aren't we connecting the dots here? Yeah.

29:32

It's unfortunate that they don't, as

29:35

you'll see, but obviously

29:37

at the same token, if

29:39

you're the police, you don't necessarily want

29:41

to accuse this family who from the

29:44

outside perspective may have just suffered

29:46

this really, really unfortunate loss. Right.

29:48

That's true. Absolute tragedy. She just

29:50

lost her husband. Now she lost

29:52

her son. And what

29:55

if you're wrong? That would suck.

29:57

Yeah. That would be heartbreaking if you accused

29:59

her. of that. Luckily though they

30:01

did do an autopsy on her son

30:03

though. When

30:06

the corner left the house, one of the neighbors

30:08

named Rhonda Anderson went over to see if everything

30:10

was okay. She had a

30:12

very bizarre interaction with Diane. Diane

30:15

calmly told her that her

30:17

son had died, but she didn't show any

30:19

signs of grief, which again,

30:22

everybody reacts differently in these circumstances,

30:24

but still, I

30:26

think it's still a sign of

30:29

something. There's

30:31

got to be something there. Six months

30:34

especially between your husband and your son,

30:36

I think anybody in a

30:39

normal situation would be somewhat

30:42

in distress. Even

30:45

if I wasn't crying, I would just

30:47

be distraught. I

30:50

would be lost. I

30:52

don't think I would just be operating as usual.

30:55

Yeah. Well, her community

30:57

figured that Diane would just be

30:59

absolutely devastated by these deaths, but

31:02

she hardly reacted to her husband

31:04

and son's death. She didn't even

31:06

hold a memorial or even have

31:08

an obituary. For sure. I

31:11

mean, that is huge. That's not a red

31:13

flag. Like what? Like you're not even

31:15

going to celebrate your son's life. You're just going to

31:17

be like, Oh, that's like,

31:19

come on. That's so

31:22

all these dots are lining up, right? So

31:24

hopefully it's just a matter of time here. Let's

31:27

hope she then cremates his

31:29

body and then collects $15,000 of life

31:31

insurance money. A month later,

31:33

Rachel posted a selfie on Facebook of

31:35

herself sitting cross legged and smiling. The

31:38

caption read, don't think I've

31:40

seen my mom so chilled out like this

31:42

in a long time. Okay.

31:45

This is like 50th red flag

31:47

here by now. That's

31:49

bizarre. So not only is she

31:51

not grieving, which, you know, obviously

31:54

like we've said, people grieve in

31:56

different ways. The process is hard,

31:58

but now we're we're seeing

32:00

that she's chilled out and and

32:02

Rachel's at home like everything's

32:05

great great mom's doing really

32:07

good yeah hmm

32:10

something fishy's going on I think now

32:13

with only four people in the house

32:15

Diane Sarah Rachel and Brianna the Stoudie

32:17

family got even more withdrawn and isolated when neighbors

32:19

would approach the house the Saudis would go inside

32:22

and shut the door so they're just like don't

32:24

want to interact with anybody on

32:26

December 31st Diane posted on Facebook

32:28

quote New Year's Eve 2012 what

32:32

a year of change okay

32:35

that's like your big proclamation

32:38

what a big year of change never

32:41

like this is the worst year

32:43

of my fucking life right we're

32:45

like any mention of your husband

32:47

yeah son right no

32:49

them at all yeah very

32:52

not even a rest in peace right

32:55

super bizarre only

32:57

six months later on June 10 2013 Diane posted again

32:59

saying asking for prayers as

33:02

my daughter Sarah is in

33:05

critical condition in the ICU tonight there

33:07

we go because

33:09

24 year old Sarah was hospitalized

33:11

with failing kidneys a failing

33:14

pancreas and brain

33:16

hemorrhaging so these are all very

33:18

very serious injuries that

33:21

often lead to death yeah all

33:24

within the short time frame and

33:26

it seemed like she would be dead with a matter of

33:28

days or even less and guess

33:31

what Diane had another life insurance

33:33

policy 15,000 bucks on

33:36

Sarah I wonder if

33:38

she knew to keep it inconspicuous

33:42

with the amount of life insurance

33:44

policy because if it was like

33:46

$200,000 everyone would be like oh

33:49

wait especially if it went up

33:51

yeah like after each death mm-hmm

33:53

she just a million dollar policy

33:55

exactly and those we've seen cases of people

33:58

being idiots like that like I'd so obvious

34:00

once you see the life insurance policy

34:02

number, you're like, it's so obvious that

34:04

there's your motive right there. But

34:06

she knew, I think she knew to keep it low. But

34:09

while Sarah was in the hospital, an

34:12

anonymous caller reached out to the police and

34:14

this caller would later, this is a, I

34:16

love this, this later turned

34:18

out to be the family's local church pastor,

34:21

Jeff Sippy, which I love this because

34:24

she's trying to save space. She's trying to look

34:27

like this, you know, blessed

34:29

church going woman who's super devout and

34:31

it's her own pastor. The one like,

34:34

no, I see straight through you. You're

34:36

the devil in disguise here. He's like,

34:38

there's a wolf in my flock. Exactly.

34:41

So he told police that he thought there

34:43

was a connection between Mark and Sean's death

34:46

and Sarah's critical condition. And I believe he

34:48

said something along the lines of this isn't

34:50

natural. These deaths aren't natural.

34:53

And this was now the third Stoudie family

34:56

member to suffer from failing health within one

34:58

and a half years. So

35:01

by now it can be a

35:03

coincidence. Yeah. So police

35:05

finally start connecting the dots after they're

35:07

basically explicitly told that this is what's

35:10

going on. They head over to the

35:12

hospital and they began questioning Sarah's doctors

35:14

and nurses in their spare time. Good

35:17

place to start. So the hospital staff

35:19

told police Sarah was in a potentially fatal

35:21

condition, but they couldn't figure out what was

35:24

wrong with her. When police

35:26

asked about Diane, the

35:28

staff said she had visited a few

35:30

times, but didn't stay very long. Some

35:32

even claimed she was joking and laughing

35:35

in the hospital room. Like she had no

35:37

concern over her daughter's health. And

35:40

she kept talking about this planned trip. She was

35:42

going to go to Florida. It's like, I'm going

35:45

to Florida. She kept like

35:47

telling people, I'm going

35:49

with my daughter. Yeah. That's

35:51

fatal. Yeah. In the ICU,

35:53

in the imagine hearing that as a nurse, like,

35:56

Oh yeah, you know, I'm looking forward to those,

35:59

you know, warm. and on my feet and

36:01

the palm trees a martini or a

36:03

margarita in my my hand i

36:05

couldn't imagine your kids literally brains

36:08

hemorrhaging right right so red flag number 6892

36:10

one of the doctors reported

36:14

that all the tests they were running on

36:17

sarah came back negative they couldn't figure out

36:19

what was wrong so obviously if you

36:21

deduce that many thought that poisoning might

36:24

have been at play police

36:26

then returned to the medical examiner reports of

36:28

both mark and shawn and

36:30

luckily since they did do an autopsy on

36:32

shawn they still had tissue and fluid samples

36:34

from shawn's autopsy which will come into play

36:36

a little bit later police

36:39

finally noticed the same symptoms and

36:41

similar ways that they had both

36:43

died the tech was like oh

36:45

what this is the same as this maybe

36:48

something's going on could we're drawing a

36:50

line physically across the page like my

36:52

god to do the little string on

36:54

the house and more like okay oh

36:57

finally putting the pieces together and

37:01

so now since the same exact thing was

37:03

happening to sarah it just became obvious to

37:05

them on june 18 2013

37:08

diane posted to facebook again she

37:11

said quote sarah update after

37:13

talking with her nurses if all goes

37:15

well tonight she might get out of

37:17

the icu tomorrow and by the

37:19

next day luckily sarah survived

37:21

and they were able to take

37:24

her home unfortunately she did suffer

37:26

from severe physical and neurological damage

37:29

this would extend her entire life and

37:32

she would have to learn how to

37:34

relearn how to walk and even speak

37:36

again and so the

37:38

next move here was they

37:41

bring diane in for questioning because

37:44

obviously they want to try

37:46

to see if she'll explain what's going on so

37:49

before the questioning even began the police already

37:51

had very strong suspicions at this point of

37:53

what was actually happening in the staudie family

37:55

home it was very clear that

37:58

someone was poisoning the family members

38:01

and they pretty much knew who that

38:03

family member was. Obviously

38:06

Diane, I mean if there's anybody that would

38:09

understand poisons and also you

38:12

know as we'll find out later there was

38:14

clues in the house that pointed to her

38:17

looking into different poisons and ways

38:19

to poison people. So

38:22

they're looking for a confession I mean

38:24

that would be you know this should be a slam

38:26

dunk right if we can get a confession there

38:28

we go. So the questioning was

38:31

carried out by Detective Neil McAmis

38:34

and it started as you would expect with

38:36

Diane lying about Sarah getting sick you know

38:38

beating around the bush you know according

38:40

to her Sarah suffered from bipolar disorder

38:42

and claimed she might have tried to

38:45

harm herself by taking pills or drinking

38:47

household cleaners. Early on

38:49

in this questioning process she was laughing

38:51

and acting casual while talking

38:53

about her daughter's critical condition. So

38:56

let's take a look at these clips because this is

38:59

just fucking wild.

39:01

She's no way to put it. She creeps

39:03

me out she's very creepy. Here's

39:06

some questioning footage. I

39:10

keep thinking what drug is there that

39:12

would do that because it almost sounds

39:14

like a drug overdose but I can't

39:16

think of what. But her plants came

39:18

back with with absolutely nothing

39:20

in her system. Nothing. So

39:22

we can eliminate that then. Yeah. What

39:25

if the cleaners if that was the case

39:27

would that I don't think I

39:30

would think even that something in there

39:32

would show up. How

39:34

would that show up? I

39:37

don't know whatever chemicals are in there

39:43

because I know it was negative

39:46

on alcohol so I

39:48

know she didn't get into

39:50

the beer. But. Beer. Is

39:52

she much of a drinker? How would do this?

39:55

What about drug users? Is she much of a drug

39:57

user? Nothing. Nothing I know of. Okay.

40:02

Also the bipolar thing that she just

40:05

pawns it off on her daughter's mental

40:07

illness like that. Get

40:09

out of here. She's drinking

40:11

household cleaners because she has

40:13

bipolar disorder. Come on. So

40:16

this next clip, you know, this

40:18

goes on for quite a while and we just

40:20

kind of cut a few short clips to just

40:22

give you an idea of what

40:24

we're dealing with when it comes to dying and Saudi. But

40:27

this is a clip of where police

40:29

obviously know what's going on and

40:32

they give Diane a chance to come clean. Well,

40:36

let me ask you this because from

40:38

talking with the hospital, it

40:41

sounds like they're doing a

40:43

bunch of tests and they're even

40:45

sending some tests off to labs

40:47

elsewhere. They mentioned the Mayo Clinic

40:49

and possibly other places. Just the

40:51

nature of this. Do

40:54

you think there's going to be anything suspicious that week? That

40:56

they find in all these tests that they're going to be doing?

40:59

I have no clue. Okay.

41:04

So I don't even

41:06

know what to look for. What

41:10

do you mean?

41:12

Well, I mean, if

41:14

they're looking for some kind of a chemical

41:16

that you may have taken, I can't think

41:18

of what it would

41:21

be to even know what tests

41:23

they're doing. Because

41:27

from my understanding, it sounds like they're

41:30

going to run a whole bunch of

41:32

various chemical type tests

41:34

possibly and just a whole bunch

41:36

of other tests to

41:39

see what was going on. If

41:44

it would come back that there was something in there like

41:46

that, how would you explain that? I

41:49

don't know. It

41:55

depends on what, if

41:57

something did show up. I

42:01

have to figure out what it is. And

42:05

then try to figure out where did it come

42:07

from. I

42:10

don't know. Yeah.

42:16

As you'll see, like, she

42:19

thinks she's smart and she thinks

42:21

she's like fooling everybody, but

42:23

she literally like talks

42:25

her, talks herself into trouble. Yeah.

42:28

And that's what I like about this detective. He

42:30

kind of stays quiet to

42:32

let her run her mouth a little

42:34

bit. And so she'll kind of dig

42:36

herself a hole. Diane then said

42:38

she hoped they could figure out what happened so

42:41

she wouldn't have to go through that again. Instead

42:44

of being concerned about Sarah, she was more

42:46

concerned about herself. The officer then

42:48

told Diane that during the autopsy of her son,

42:50

they took tissue and hair samples from Sean. And

42:52

Sarah's tissue and fluids were being researched, like you heard

42:55

by the Mayo Clinic. Again,

42:57

they gave Diane a chance to confess, but she

42:59

claimed, I didn't know anything. Here's a

43:02

little bit more from that tape. Did

43:06

you ever remember the suspicion of names in the

43:08

dead? Mm-hmm.

43:18

I was not surprised because

43:20

he was menstruating. What

43:28

was your marriage like? Obviously.

43:36

We were still married, but it

43:39

was not what you call a

43:41

good marriage. Mm-hmm. Any

43:46

infidelities on either side? He

43:49

has. So

44:02

I'm guessing then just briefly that he wasn't

44:04

the best husband? Probably

44:07

not. Not just society. What

44:10

do you mean by that? Not just society. Well, he

44:13

was running around and

44:16

he would drink and

44:18

smoke pot. He

44:23

wasn't very good. He was a friend. He told me I should kick him

44:28

out, but I

44:31

couldn't. He

44:36

was a friend. He

44:40

was very good. Why

44:45

is that the way we killed him? He

44:48

was my daughter. And

44:55

even though things were bad and he wasn't a good

44:57

husband and he said he wasn't good for society, he

45:00

didn't want to kill himself. Okay. So

45:05

he was a good husband. Sean,

45:19

any reason for anybody who wants harm, Sean?

45:21

I can't think of anything. This

45:27

detective's got a lot of patience, man. I

45:30

think you need a lot of

45:32

patience for interrogations like this. Yeah,

45:36

she's stonewalling hard. And

45:39

again, she just tries to

45:41

scapegoat mental illness

45:43

and stuff like that. Puts all the

45:45

blame on them, too. She didn't do anything wrong.

45:48

She's just a bad guy that

45:50

smokes pot and plays in a band. Oh,

45:53

that's so terrible. And she's

45:55

the God's

45:57

begotten organist. who's

46:01

slaving away at work every day to put food on the

46:03

table. Maybe she was working

46:05

hard to put food on the table, but it's like, just

46:10

because you don't bring money in to

46:13

your family doesn't make you a bad family member

46:15

or a menace to society, you know what I

46:17

mean? And I hate this too because it's

46:20

the reason you fell in love with the guy

46:22

is because he was in a band

46:25

and he loved music and then it

46:27

turns, it's like, what's the old saying?

46:29

It's like the thing that you first

46:31

love about your romantic partner

46:33

is the thing you end

46:35

up hating in the end. This

46:38

is inherited. Classic example. So

46:41

Detective McCamus decides, you know, I'm not

46:43

getting anywhere with her at this point.

46:45

So he does a very, very

46:47

smart move and uses that

46:50

good old religious guilt. And

46:52

so he makes this appeal and

46:54

he's like, you know, as a churchgoing

46:56

man myself, I think he says, as

46:59

a believer, you know, and

47:01

also someone who believes in forgiveness, why

47:05

don't you tell us, you know,

47:07

what really happened here? He's

47:09

about to play her own card against

47:11

her. When

47:16

people, you

47:18

know, do things, it's always good to ask

47:20

for forgiveness, you know that. And

47:23

oftentimes the best way to ask for

47:26

forgiveness is to

47:28

talk about it and we give an explanation as to

47:30

why things happen. Notice

47:35

how he scoots closer to her. He's

47:37

a difficult child to deal with.

47:47

I understand. And

47:51

I've been kind of putting pressure on her

47:53

to, you need to get out and

47:55

get a job. Your

47:58

college bills are coming. I

48:02

don't want to pay for them. After

48:05

all, you get tired of doing

48:08

everything for your kids. It's like you need

48:10

to step up and do it. As

48:20

far as I

48:22

know. As

48:33

far as trying to do something, you're

48:35

already giving me anything you want. I

48:42

mean, I guess I could have taken it to

48:44

the ER sooner, but I didn't

48:46

know. How

48:51

would you explain? If

48:54

everything that's been going on, because I've been

48:56

involved in this investigation for a while now,

48:58

I've been working with the hospital. How

49:03

would you explain? Because

49:08

the hospital's been so cool, I guess they've

49:11

been working with me, and you may not

49:13

be pre-made to know. Everything

49:15

that we've

49:18

been discussing. How

49:21

would you explain if something's been found

49:26

that may indicate otherwise? All

49:29

right, here we go. All

49:34

I know is, if

49:37

she... I don't know. I

49:41

know I didn't do anything. So

49:45

something was done? Yeah. Somebody

49:48

did something. I'm

49:51

just telling you, I didn't

49:53

do anything. God,

49:56

it's like the slowest, hand-dressed, being pulled

49:59

out. So I can't imagine how aggravating

50:01

must be sit there and just like

50:03

I Know

50:05

you know what happened. Yeah,

50:07

stop stop bullshitting

50:10

me. Let's go. I got other shit

50:12

to do here. Yep So

50:14

now he's like, all right Did

50:17

the religious? You know

50:19

tactic. Let's go sympathy. Let's

50:22

try to really get in there the motions and

50:25

Maybe there's any feeling left in there. Yeah,

50:27

you could say a little Organist

50:30

pun he's pulling out all the plugs

50:33

or pulling out fuck Pulling

50:36

out all the stops Stops

50:38

which I didn't know that for a long time. That's

50:40

a Organ reference. Yeah, you're

50:42

pulling out the stops of an organ. I

50:44

think I'm right on that. I

50:46

believe you're right Yeah, stop sign the little slides.

50:48

Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I think they're called stops And

50:50

that's where that saying comes from and if I'm

50:53

wrong Daniel is just gonna edit this out Or

50:57

we leave it in to expose your lack

50:59

of organ knowledge No,

51:02

he's right. I wasn't sad pretty sure

51:04

it stops All right roll

51:07

it You know

51:09

that I know that And

51:12

that's what I'm giving you the chance down and that's why

51:14

we're here today It's so you can

51:16

tell me so you can tell me

51:18

so we can get it on They will be that

51:20

weight that'll be lifted off your shoulders because I know

51:22

people that care especially good people like yourself That

51:25

walk around and carry this kind of stuff carry

51:27

these kind of burdens So

51:30

many times just talking about it to get it out there and

51:32

say here's the deal I did this

51:34

because Because I had all this going

51:36

and then it'll just it'll be a relief to be able

51:38

to talk about it to get it off Your shoulders and

51:40

then to help with the forgiveness and the healing process But

51:44

you have to you have to do it. That's why

51:46

I'm here You have to sit down just like we're

51:48

doing and talk about it and get it all out

51:50

there You

51:54

Do know that she's like I know I

51:56

know I know you're afraid of going to

51:58

jail but that's then you should be you would

52:00

be thinking about that right now. I know, but

52:03

that's why my mind works. I understand. I

52:06

understand, but let's put that out of your mind, because you

52:08

shouldn't even be thinking about that. I understand

52:10

you're afraid to go to jail. We're not going to even think about

52:12

that, because that's got nothing to do with it. Now is your chance

52:14

to tell us why, and to

52:18

show some remorse, ask for forgiveness, and that's what I can

52:20

do with these other people, and say, yeah. She

52:24

made some mistakes, and that was it. Tell

52:29

me about it, down here. There's

52:34

a lot of arguments. Make

52:39

my family look bad. Yeah. Like,

52:42

I had to do this. Did it really

52:45

short and sweet? I

52:48

knew they were drinking antifreeze. Okay,

52:52

so not after I knew it. I

52:55

didn't want to take them down. I

52:58

was mad at them, so I didn't want to take them. What?

53:02

What, you talking about the hospital? I didn't. Oh,

53:05

yeah, she's talking about taking them into the hospital.

53:07

I'm going to start getting sick off drinking antifreeze.

53:09

Yeah. I want you to like, because

53:12

I was mad. And

53:15

that would just eliminate those problems, wouldn't it?

53:18

They wouldn't be a certain idea to bug you,

53:20

to talk bad to you, to be mean to

53:22

you, to be disrespectful to you. That

53:25

would just be a problem that's gone. She

53:31

still thinks of being clever. I

53:35

knew that I was drinking antifreeze. I wasn't the

53:37

one giving it to them, though. How do you

53:40

know you were drinking antifreeze, Diane? They told me.

53:43

Diane. I

53:45

want you to

53:47

understand this, okay? I

53:52

want you to understand where we're at at this

53:54

point. Right

54:01

now, because I know you're scared,

54:03

I completely understand that. I

54:06

110% understand that you're scared.

54:11

But Diane, right now is

54:13

not the time to tell

54:16

me things

54:18

that aren't true. Because it all

54:20

comes back to, again, when other people, not me,

54:23

but when other people that are going to see this look at

54:25

this and go, did she

54:27

come in and tell the truth, or did she

54:29

lie, lie, lie, lie, and lie? Okay,

54:33

you have to understand there's going to be a lot of people

54:35

that look at this, and you don't want them to see all

54:37

these lies. You and I both

54:39

know why you knew they were drinking

54:41

antifreeze, and you need to tell me about that. And

54:45

lying about it, Diane, will not help you. You

54:48

know that. You don't need me to tell you that. Really

54:51

like his approach. Yeah. He's

54:53

got this very soft approach that I

54:55

think really worked well on this interrogation.

54:57

And I could kind of read his

55:00

body language there for a hot second

55:02

after she says, well, I knew

55:04

they were drinking antifreeze. And then he's like, well,

55:06

how did you know? And she's like, I don't

55:08

know. You can kind of see his

55:10

back. His back

55:12

is like flexed. He's

55:15

about to throw hands or something. But

55:18

he composes himself. He's really good at composing

55:20

himself. So obviously

55:22

she's admitted that they've been drinking

55:25

antifreeze, but she doesn't say

55:27

that she was the one giving it to them. So

55:30

the detective knows it's like right

55:32

there. No, it's the tip of the

55:34

iceberg. Let's see

55:36

what happens next. Diane,

55:40

you knew that

55:43

they were drinking antifreeze. You

55:45

knew that. They

55:47

didn't. We

55:51

both know that. You

55:57

knew Diane. were

56:00

drinking hen freeze because

56:03

you were giving it to them. processing

56:12

she's like you got me yeah you

56:15

know she's like how could this happen i thought

56:18

i was so smart about it there's no way

56:20

no one else to do there it is boom

56:23

didn't know what else to do really didn't really

56:29

you didn't know what else to do

56:31

that's the worst excuse god

56:33

god were

56:36

you just just like we talked were you

56:38

just at the breaking point yeah

56:43

i just know what else to do how

56:48

do people get to this point i don't i don't get

56:50

it how do you get to the point where you're like

56:53

i mean in this case it doesn't seem

56:56

like there's really any major

56:59

issues going on as far as we know

57:01

yeah i uh she doesn't even

57:03

say like he was abusive or anything he

57:05

says oh he got drunk every once in

57:07

a while maybe threw some things so divorce

57:09

him yeah she's like the hell out

57:12

of there i love him let me

57:14

let me just kill him in the most

57:16

brutal way slowly torture his

57:18

body to the point where it gives

57:20

up so disgusting so

57:23

we've finally got the confession

57:26

but obviously there's still questions

57:28

as to why she

57:30

would do something like this um and

57:32

really let's be honest there's no excuse

57:35

to do something like this is just

57:37

behavior that's so rancid i

57:39

i started to wrap my head around but

57:43

it's important for the prosecution case

57:45

here they need a motive they

57:47

need how exactly she did it

57:49

because obviously they can

57:51

find traces of poisoning but how

57:54

are they going to connect this yeah it's a

57:57

very difficult case to prosecute um with that the

58:00

full confession of

58:03

okay you said that you

58:05

did it but how exactly give us

58:07

a step-by-step playbook here and the detective

58:09

has tread really well here in

58:12

water for a long time so he's he's right

58:14

there he's got the confession but he just needs

58:16

a little bit more so he's

58:18

wondering well how did you do this

58:20

stuff and so check out this clip how

58:24

long had you been

58:27

giving them the anaphories before they finally

58:29

got like before Shawn passed

58:32

and before Sarah got to

58:34

the point that she was maybe

58:39

a couple of days and

58:41

what were you putting it in what

58:49

else how much would you

58:52

put in just

58:54

a little kid and why

58:59

just a little bit

59:08

I didn't want to hurt them what

59:11

so why'd you put

59:13

it in there at

59:15

all such a lot

59:18

of vitamin yeah I

59:22

didn't want to hurt them just gave them

59:24

a little bit antifreeze just a little taste

59:26

delusional or I don't know she's

59:28

either she's lying to the

59:31

detective or she's lying to herself I

59:34

don't know I think she's

59:36

just saying things because she knows she's been

59:38

caught now and so

59:40

she admits to giving them

59:42

antifreeze pretty much every day small

59:45

quantities a few tablespoons

59:47

at a time I think sometimes she just

59:49

eyeballed it and she kept the she

59:52

kept the antifreeze stored in

59:54

the garage which I think were maybe

59:56

right near where they stored the Coca-Cola

59:59

bottles So she'd like go

1:00:01

make the drinks in the garage. Yeah, exactly So

1:00:04

according to her it took about three days

1:00:06

to kill mark by putting antifreeze She was

1:00:08

putting it in his Gatorade and it took

1:00:10

about two days to kill Sean by putting

1:00:12

it in his coca-cola That was his favorite

1:00:14

drink and she

1:00:16

poisoned Sarah the exact same way If

1:00:19

you're a bit squeamish to poisoning in your body

1:00:22

malfunctioning Just

1:00:24

a heads up here. These are the effects

1:00:26

of antifreeze on your body So After

1:00:30

drinking antifreeze depending on the brand you really

1:00:32

won't even know that you drank it at

1:00:34

all. It's Main

1:00:37

uses for protecting plumbing or car

1:00:39

engines and it's highly toxic. But

1:00:41

the thing is that it's pretty

1:00:43

odorless and Sometimes

1:00:45

it's even a bit sweet. So if

1:00:47

you're adding it into Gatorade or coca-cola Wouldn't

1:00:50

even notice it when you're drinking it and

1:00:52

it's believed that the brand Diane was buying

1:00:55

from was off of Wayfair And

1:00:57

she specifically bought this certain brand

1:01:00

because it didn't contain a bittering

1:01:02

agent So it wasn't detectable at

1:01:04

all. It's just that sweetness kind of blended in

1:01:07

So the victims most likely felt what's

1:01:10

similar to being drunk for maybe a

1:01:12

few hours after Ingestion and

1:01:15

it's quickly absorbed into the system after

1:01:18

a few more hours Crystals begin

1:01:20

forming in your kidneys. You'll

1:01:22

start to feel tired and groggy You'll

1:01:25

start to slur your words and begin vomiting.

1:01:28

So it almost seems

1:01:30

like you are really drunk But

1:01:32

even I remember even Charles said when he he

1:01:35

was witnessing it happen to

1:01:37

mark He was like it

1:01:39

wasn't really like he was drunk. It was like he

1:01:41

was out of whack So it's somewhere

1:01:44

in between being drunk and something else entirely

1:01:46

which I'm sure Charles could probably attest to

1:01:48

that, right? Right, he's had many nights out,

1:01:50

you know playing music and at bars and

1:01:53

stuff Yeah, you've probably seen mark drunk a

1:01:55

hand. He's like I'm kind of but mark

1:01:57

doesn't act like this when he's drunk This

1:02:00

is like he put

1:02:02

it fucked up. Yeah completely wadda wack.

1:02:04

Yeah It soon

1:02:06

spreads through your whole body and the

1:02:08

side effects are brutal

1:02:10

rapid breathing Blood in your

1:02:13

urine possible blindness leg cramps

1:02:15

convulsion stupor weakness blue lips

1:02:17

and blue fingernails And

1:02:20

if it's bad enough, which is what

1:02:22

happened to Sean and Mark you'll

1:02:24

fall into a coma and you'll die soon

1:02:27

after And

1:02:29

the thing is is that after you

1:02:31

die from antifreeze, it's really hard

1:02:33

to detect in the autopsy Because

1:02:37

you have to be specifically looking for

1:02:39

it Someone has to be suspicious of

1:02:41

poisoning especially with antifreeze for the medical

1:02:43

examiner to even start looking for it

1:02:46

So that was kind of the difficulties

1:02:48

they ran into initially And

1:02:51

remark that yellow skin Tinges

1:02:53

definitely from kidney failure was that obviously

1:02:55

the crystals forming in the kidney is

1:02:58

gonna eventually make those shut down and

1:03:01

That's ultimately what's going to give

1:03:03

you that But

1:03:05

after the confession and more questioning

1:03:08

Diane became withdrawn She

1:03:11

put her feet up on the front of the chair and

1:03:13

sometimes hugged her knees throughout the

1:03:15

rest of the questioning She was very quiet and most

1:03:17

of her answers were short When

1:03:20

the detective wasn't in the room, she's often curled up with

1:03:22

her head and her knees or arms The

1:03:24

detective then tried to understand what was her motive

1:03:26

for killing her family members So

1:03:29

let's hear her explanation for

1:03:32

killing mark How

1:03:35

much was his life insurance policy 20,000

1:03:39

and you were able to use that money to get into your

1:03:41

new house So

1:03:45

I didn't need the money What

1:03:49

was it more about that just hating them so much if

1:03:52

it wasn't about the money was it just about hating them so

1:03:54

much I Have

1:03:57

a comment on this To

1:04:00

be honest, I don't know. He

1:04:03

would throw things at me. He

1:04:08

would throw things at me. And

1:04:13

I guess I just haven't. And

1:04:22

it sounds like then after he started to get sick, once

1:04:24

he got to the point where he was so bad, that

1:04:29

it sounds like you just waited until he passed and

1:04:31

then you called 911. So

1:04:33

you knew he was dead before you called 911. Okay.

1:04:36

Did you check him for a pulse or how did you know

1:04:38

he was dead and there was no pulse? Obviously

1:04:40

from your training, you were aware

1:04:42

that he was dead. How

1:04:44

long had he been dead before you called 911? Maybe

1:04:48

five minutes. Okay. So

1:04:52

were you there, kind of pretty much

1:04:54

checking on him regularly to make sure when he was,

1:04:56

and then when he finally did die,

1:04:58

then you called him? Okay. The

1:05:02

first thing I noticed right off the bat, she

1:05:04

says, I didn't need the money. But that's

1:05:07

why she resented Mark, because

1:05:09

she's like, I'm the breadwinner. He doesn't

1:05:11

bring any money to the table. And

1:05:13

now she's saying, I didn't need the money.

1:05:16

That's clearly a lie. Yeah. She's

1:05:18

just a bad liar. And she's just trying to

1:05:20

stick to her guns and her

1:05:22

silly story she's trying to spend. It

1:05:25

was all about the money. The

1:05:27

whole motive for all this is the

1:05:29

money and the fact that there

1:05:31

are a burden to her. Because

1:05:33

we also know that Sarah, she

1:05:35

was always constantly hugging Sarah about

1:05:38

her college tuition or

1:05:40

her bills. From my

1:05:42

experience, most of those

1:05:45

college loans end up

1:05:47

falling back on the parents anyway, is

1:05:50

how most of those loans usually work, is like parent

1:05:52

cosines from them, which maybe she didn't have loans that

1:05:54

were cosigned for. But in order

1:05:56

to get the higher amounts, in order to actually

1:05:58

get the money, afford college,

1:06:00

I know this from firsthand experience, you

1:06:02

must have a cosigner on those loans.

1:06:05

That makes sense. So

1:06:07

it's like, well, did she even know that was her plan

1:06:09

to kill her daughter and then what? You

1:06:12

thought those loans would just disappear? No,

1:06:14

most likely those loans would then fall back on you

1:06:16

anyway. So it's like, what is the point here? There

1:06:18

is no point. So

1:06:22

when talking about being a burden, and this

1:06:25

is just so fucked up when talking about

1:06:27

Sean, Sean had autism. And

1:06:31

for somebody in the medical field, you'd think

1:06:33

she'd understand autism a little bit. And

1:06:37

I mean, I don't know

1:06:40

the extent of the

1:06:42

autism or there's a huge

1:06:44

spectrum to it. So he seemed

1:06:47

to have trouble holding down a

1:06:49

job. And it just seems like

1:06:52

she just killed him for purely selfish reasons.

1:06:54

She just didn't want to have to be

1:06:57

a parent to a child with autism, which

1:07:00

is so evil. Yeah.

1:07:05

So let's listen to her explanation

1:07:09

for killing Sean. And

1:07:12

then Sean, how did stuff get started

1:07:14

with Sean? Sean

1:07:17

would be interfering with whatever

1:07:19

I would do. Selfish.

1:07:23

Yeah. To

1:07:26

the point where he was getting

1:07:28

into my work. And

1:07:31

I would have to tell him he need to leave. You know,

1:07:33

go to your room. Go

1:07:36

do something. He

1:07:41

would just fucking

1:07:43

explain this. You

1:07:45

can't because there's no good explanation.

1:07:48

No. There's nothing that

1:07:50

justifies what you did. Well,

1:07:54

explain it. You

1:07:58

get to the point where you just pull out your...

1:08:00

hair. What boo-hoo. Because

1:08:04

I didn't know what else to do with him. Get

1:08:08

help. Seek out

1:08:10

expert. God,

1:08:16

it's such a terrible reason to kill yourself.

1:08:18

You're just a constant bother. Who

1:08:21

wouldn't leave you alone when like you said he's interfering with

1:08:23

your work? He was almost

1:08:26

to the point of inappropriate at

1:08:28

times. I

1:08:31

mean to the point where he would walk into

1:08:33

the bathroom if the door was shut. I mean

1:08:35

just really bizarre stuff. And

1:08:40

just got, he was such an interference and a bother

1:08:42

he said you can't take it anymore. I think it's

1:08:44

more than a bother. More than a bother? Yeah. Would

1:08:50

a pest, would that be a good word for it?

1:08:52

No, it's more than that. How

1:08:55

would you describe it then? I'm

1:08:58

lousy at explaining. Yeah,

1:09:01

you are. At least you admit

1:09:03

that. Just

1:09:06

to the point where I just wish I could

1:09:09

leave. Well,

1:09:11

why didn't you? And

1:09:13

walk out. Because

1:09:16

that would have been a better option than what you did.

1:09:18

I should have. Still

1:09:20

would have been a terrible mother if you walked out. Right, walk

1:09:22

out on your kids. Would have been

1:09:24

a better alternative to this. Far better

1:09:26

than killing them. Diane

1:09:30

also admitted that at one point

1:09:32

she changed her mind and considered taking Sean to

1:09:34

the hospital. Which would have been a smart decision.

1:09:38

But she decided against that and just

1:09:40

continued poisoning him until he died. So

1:09:43

now let's hear her

1:09:46

absolutely ridiculous reasons for

1:09:49

poisoning Sarah. And

1:09:52

this is where we hear about

1:09:55

Rachel's involvement. Why

1:09:58

didn't she poison Rachel? Or

1:10:01

Brianna hmm see

1:10:04

what she had to say What's

1:10:07

Sarah you said it was the same with her you

1:10:09

like four days. It took four days. You're giving it

1:10:11

before she started getting sick Okay

1:10:15

and then You said with

1:10:18

her it was more of an all of a sudden You

1:10:20

said she was just a little sick and

1:10:22

then all of a sudden she got really really bad Okay

1:10:27

And you said you know you thought it was to the

1:10:29

point that she was gonna die How

1:10:31

come why didn't you just leave her at

1:10:34

home to die like the others and couldn't

1:10:36

do it? Why

1:10:39

magically grew a conscience Did

1:10:43

Rachel say something about bringing her in or how I

1:10:45

mean what was the reason? For

1:10:47

bringing her when she was cuz you even said yeah,

1:10:49

she was so bad. You thought she was gonna die

1:10:51

and you had to carry her

1:10:54

Did Rachel was she the one

1:10:56

that sent a little sick of the hospital? So

1:11:07

what made you with Sarah what made

1:11:09

you decide to bring her in as opposed

1:11:11

to the others Are

1:11:19

you surprised you they want to pull through What

1:11:23

did Rachel say about all this? She

1:11:27

really hasn't said that much What's

1:11:35

her involvement? She

1:11:39

doesn't know a sign. Mmm interesting

1:11:43

And then her and Sarah don't get along

1:11:45

that well because Sarah used to

1:11:48

beat her up Sarah would beat me up poor Diane. Yeah Like

1:12:00

she's the victim. Yeah, God. So

1:12:07

Rachel has zero knowledge of what's over. When

1:12:12

we talk to her, is that what she's gonna tell us? She

1:12:17

has no idea. That's not cool. So you never

1:12:19

mentioned to her what you were doing. Had

1:12:24

you been giving any to her? What

1:12:26

about Brianna? Why

1:12:28

not those two? I don't know. I'm

1:12:35

not sure. I

1:12:42

wish I hadn't done it ever.

1:12:46

Diane admits that Mark was her first kill

1:12:49

and there was no one before him. She

1:12:51

also claimed that she had Mark

1:12:54

cremated because that's, quote, what he

1:12:56

wanted. And she cremated Sean because

1:12:58

she didn't, quote, really care for

1:13:01

cemeteries. OK. All

1:13:04

right. So or maybe

1:13:06

you were trying to hide

1:13:08

evidence. Exactly. And she thought

1:13:10

that whatever, if I burn the bodies,

1:13:13

no one's ever going to be able to find

1:13:16

out about this. But. So

1:13:20

by the end of the questioning, here was

1:13:22

Diane's explanation for killing her family members. And

1:13:24

this is just everything summed

1:13:26

up. So she resented her husband.

1:13:29

She took care of the family financially. She

1:13:31

claimed that Mark never helped out. She

1:13:33

saw Sean as a burden. She didn't want to take

1:13:36

care of anymore. And she was also fed up with

1:13:38

Sarah, who couldn't get a job and spend her free

1:13:40

time partying with friends. After

1:13:42

interviewing Diane, the detectives needed a better

1:13:44

understanding of what was really going on

1:13:46

in the house. Unfortunately,

1:13:49

Sarah, she was still struggling with communicating.

1:13:51

She couldn't speak. After

1:13:54

being poisoned. So they interviewed the only other

1:13:56

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The questioning began with Rachel acting

1:15:46

friendly, laughing even, and cracking

1:15:48

jokes with the detective while they talked about

1:15:51

her deceased father and brother. When

1:15:54

they brought up Sean, Rachel said that he was

1:15:56

low maintenance. So

1:15:59

pretty much the opposite. of what Diane said.

1:16:02

She said as long as he had some books or

1:16:04

puzzles, Sean was a happy camper. But

1:16:07

again, this didn't match what Diane had said. She

1:16:10

had tried to make Sean out to be a giant burden on her.

1:16:13

When they brought up Sarah with Rachel, she described

1:16:15

her as lazy. And all the

1:16:17

while Rachel still acted like she had no idea

1:16:19

about what was going on. The detective

1:16:22

then told Rachel that her mother had

1:16:24

admitted to killing Sean and

1:16:26

Mark and poisoning Sarah.

1:16:30

That's when Rachel began weeping in the interrogation

1:16:32

room. When the detective asked if

1:16:34

she had any involvement, Rachel said no. At first

1:16:37

it seemed like it was case closed and

1:16:39

Diane was responsible for everything, but one more

1:16:42

massive development would soon change the case. Detectives

1:16:45

uncovered more evidence while searching

1:16:47

the family home. It was

1:16:49

known that Rachel was clearly Diane's favorite child,

1:16:51

but detectives didn't know how close Rachel and

1:16:53

her mother really were. They soon

1:16:56

discovered one of Rachel's purple journals in

1:16:58

her closet and inside the

1:17:00

pages she described how she and her mother

1:17:02

had planned the murders for the past year,

1:17:05

dating all the way back to June 13th,

1:17:07

2011. One excerpt read,

1:17:10

it's sad when I really tell my father will

1:17:12

pass on in the next two months. Sean, my

1:17:15

brother will move on shortly after. It'll be tough

1:17:17

getting used to the changes, but everything will work out.

1:17:21

Obviously once they found this, they're like, bingo,

1:17:24

she was involved. She knew about this. So they

1:17:27

arrested Rachel and brought her into

1:17:29

the interrogation room. And

1:17:31

just like her mother, she became very quiet once the

1:17:33

secret was out. She spoke very little

1:17:35

and sometimes she was completely silent for several minutes

1:17:38

when asked questions. When she

1:17:40

did respond, her answers were only a few words at a

1:17:42

time. Other times she claimed she

1:17:44

didn't know anything or she was just drawing blanks.

1:17:47

When presented with evidence found in her journal, she

1:17:50

only confessed to dosing their drinks once.

1:17:53

But then later admitted to doing it three or four

1:17:55

times. So detectives had to

1:17:57

figure out how much involvement did Rachel reach. really

1:18:00

have. And of course, we

1:18:03

have some interrogation footage of Rachel.

1:18:07

We talked about... ...basically

1:18:18

a mutual hatred

1:18:22

of Dad. And

1:18:32

so what to do about it? Her

1:18:37

demeanor has changed so much because in that

1:18:39

first questioning, she's joking,

1:18:42

oh my god, my phone's running out of

1:18:44

batteries. She's like, nothing's going

1:18:46

on. Super casual. And I wonder, she's

1:18:49

kind of cut from the same cloth as

1:18:51

her mother. Yeah, clearly. She

1:18:55

goes on to explain that Diane had

1:18:57

written private thoughts in a journal that

1:18:59

Sarah had gotten into. This

1:19:01

is all according to Rachel.

1:19:04

Sarah also overheard discussions about Rachel

1:19:06

and Diane plotting to kill family

1:19:09

members. And Rachel called

1:19:11

this book of her mother's a dream

1:19:13

journal. Diane had hidden the

1:19:15

book inside her desk at home.

1:19:17

She wrote about dreams and fantasies

1:19:19

like Mark and Sean dying. It

1:19:21

was nothing super explicit, like planning.

1:19:24

It was just kind of these

1:19:26

abstract thoughts about them dying. After

1:19:28

a while, Sarah ended up finding that book.

1:19:31

And then Diane had to shift. She started

1:19:33

writing on her computer instead. But she

1:19:36

also had to deal with Sarah potentially knowing about

1:19:38

these murders. They later dose

1:19:40

Sarah's drink with antifreeze while she

1:19:42

was distracted watching YouTube videos. So

1:19:44

this might have been the motive

1:19:46

for targeting Sarah. She may have

1:19:48

not been in their planning

1:19:51

at first, because if you notice, if you

1:19:53

remember Rachel's diary entry,

1:19:55

she doesn't mention Sarah dying.

1:19:57

She just mentions. So

1:20:01

maybe the plan was never to kill

1:20:03

Sarah. It just happened that Sarah kind of

1:20:05

found out about what was going on So

1:20:08

they targeted her Here's

1:20:11

more interrogation video and there

1:20:15

was basically a moment of Rachel

1:20:18

and her mother Diane considered should we

1:20:20

should we bring in Sarah into our

1:20:22

inner circle or Where

1:20:25

does she stand on this whole thing with

1:20:27

Mark and Sean? Basically should we? Let

1:20:30

her live or die. Right. Yeah, the essence

1:20:32

of this. Yeah Was

1:20:35

Harris hesitant initially could you said she was kind of

1:20:37

shocked was she hesitant at all? Or did she just

1:20:39

agree with you guys and say yeah, and we got

1:20:41

to do this because I'm I guess Did

1:20:43

she have a hatred for your dad as well? She

1:20:49

is extremely hesitant Um Very

1:20:58

afraid of death because she would always

1:21:04

Like Talk

1:21:09

about not wanting to die So

1:21:14

she was hesitant at first because you said

1:21:16

she was afraid of death She's

1:21:18

always talking about not wanting to die Okay,

1:21:23

and at what point did she finally say

1:21:25

yeah, let's do this She'd

1:21:34

accepted it by like Right

1:21:38

before we went on with Sean To

1:21:42

kill Sean Okay,

1:21:46

she held the dad but she still didn't take it okay, okay Those

1:21:52

are still all according to Rachel, but I don't know. Do

1:21:54

you think there's an honest? If

1:21:56

there's this conspiracy with You

1:22:00

within your family and you

1:22:02

find out about two of your

1:22:04

family members killing another family member.

1:22:09

Knowing that you might be next, is it like, do

1:22:12

you think there's a fair accusation

1:22:14

against Sarah is what I'm saying. If

1:22:17

she did actually participate in helping them,

1:22:19

do you think it's fair? Like

1:22:23

is she in the same responsibility category

1:22:25

as Rachel and her mother since

1:22:28

Sarah is basically like, I might

1:22:30

feel like I have to do this

1:22:32

or else I die. Because that's what I'm

1:22:35

coming at it from. And

1:22:37

of course, this is all just accusations

1:22:39

from Rachel. There's really no

1:22:41

evidence to tie Sarah to these murders.

1:22:45

Yeah, it's hard, especially later on

1:22:47

as well. If you're from Sarah

1:22:50

on how she feels, I wouldn't put

1:22:54

the blame on her. I mean,

1:22:56

these two are very manipulative and

1:22:58

they're clearly only out for themselves and

1:23:02

taking advantage of her, I wouldn't

1:23:06

put it past them. They try to do that. And

1:23:09

in the end, we know that they ended up

1:23:11

trying to kill her. So yeah, obviously

1:23:13

she was not in their inner circle. But

1:23:17

here's more of that footage. They ask her

1:23:19

why they ended

1:23:21

up taking Sarah to the hospital

1:23:23

unlike the others. And also it

1:23:25

gets a little strange. She also

1:23:27

Rachel talks about her

1:23:30

brother's bedroom and after her brother's death,

1:23:32

she might have been experiencing something paranormal.

1:23:35

You

1:23:37

guys said you thought that she was pretty much dead. But why

1:23:40

did you take her to the hospital? I

1:23:44

didn't want another one to die in the

1:23:46

house. And why is that? Because

1:23:53

houses are nasty after somebody died

1:23:55

in it. What do you mean

1:23:57

by that? I

1:24:01

get a lot of nightmares. Like after

1:24:03

Sean died, I moved into his room

1:24:05

and it was awful, awful, awful in

1:24:08

there. I

1:24:11

kept feeling things in there. I

1:24:17

just didn't want that again. So

1:24:21

you didn't want her to die in the house? And

1:24:24

you guys, explain to me why you

1:24:26

waited to the point you did to bring

1:24:28

her to the hospital. Just like you said, you just didn't want her to

1:24:30

die in the house? Did

1:24:33

you want her to die in the hospital

1:24:35

instead? Great question.

1:24:37

Yeah. Okay. Your

1:24:42

mom had said something to me about

1:24:48

you guys didn't want her to die in the house because

1:24:50

of kind of a ghost experience. Is

1:24:52

that kind of what you're talking about when you say you get

1:24:54

these feelings and

1:24:56

you didn't want that again? Haunted

1:25:00

by their family members. Yeah.

1:25:03

That kind of sounds like. And

1:25:06

I also find it interesting that at

1:25:08

first Diane was saying that we

1:25:11

took her to the hospital because she didn't really have

1:25:13

a good explanation for it. But

1:25:16

I don't know. It sounded like she was like, oh,

1:25:19

I just didn't want it to happen again. Like

1:25:22

we had a, I had a change of

1:25:24

conscience and I wanted to save

1:25:26

my daughter. Yeah, try to make herself look better.

1:25:28

Yeah, but we just clearly they're like they planned

1:25:30

on her still dying. They were

1:25:32

just like, maybe it'll look better. And since we

1:25:34

don't want her dying in the house, we'll

1:25:37

take her to the hospital when she's

1:25:39

in the most critical condition strategically hoping

1:25:41

that she still dies. It's just

1:25:44

so. I

1:25:47

don't even know the right word. Cringy,

1:25:49

eerie to hear Rachel

1:25:51

say house is nasty after

1:25:54

someone dies in it, you know, and

1:25:56

just like you're talking about your brother.

1:26:00

your father and you just act

1:26:03

like it's some piece of trash you know a

1:26:05

dead animal or something right died in the house

1:26:07

it's like this is your

1:26:09

family it's crazy to

1:26:11

hear it like just like and just emotionless

1:26:14

you know just like they just both

1:26:17

seem dead inside yeah they really do

1:26:19

and then

1:26:21

here's it's gonna say icing on

1:26:24

the cake but what's the

1:26:26

opposite of icing on a cake shit

1:26:29

on a shit sandwich this

1:26:32

is Rachel's journal entry which the detective

1:26:34

brings up and it has this very

1:26:36

eerie poem in it that kind of

1:26:39

adds another layer to how Rachel was

1:26:41

not only involved

1:26:45

but like

1:26:47

fantasizing about yeah yeah

1:26:51

like it getting off on it right is I

1:26:53

think the best word or

1:26:55

phrase to describe this yeah like

1:26:58

there's some enjoyment there's a there's the yeah

1:27:01

there's this happiness that they're looking for at

1:27:03

the end of this yeah and

1:27:06

it's like this she gets like

1:27:08

this creative inspiration from these deaths

1:27:10

so here's here's

1:27:12

the last tidbit of

1:27:14

that interrogation and let

1:27:16

me ask you while

1:27:19

we're in the topic of journal stuff I guess

1:27:22

you know after we arrested you we had

1:27:26

to search your purse you know

1:27:28

we found your new journal

1:27:30

entry some of the stuff that

1:27:32

you've written in there and I've got some of that talking

1:27:34

about how you

1:27:39

felt kind of

1:27:41

bad about Sarah's pain because

1:27:45

you helped basically put her

1:27:47

in the position she was and

1:27:49

so did you feel bad

1:27:51

then because you wrote that you felt a little

1:27:54

bit bad about knowing that you helped put

1:27:56

her in that much pain so did you feel kind

1:27:58

of bad enough that or It's

1:28:02

harder when you're watching and

1:28:06

the are you would scream

1:28:08

out. I

1:28:11

don't like screaming. So

1:28:14

that was harder. It would

1:28:16

have just been easier for you if she just would

1:28:18

have died and not having

1:28:20

to see all that. Yeah.

1:28:26

And then you wrote a little poem at the end of that. Do

1:28:28

you remember that? How

1:28:31

did that poem go? I

1:28:39

read about the nurses a little

1:28:41

bit. Right. And

1:28:47

it's like

1:28:49

they make you feel

1:28:52

stupid. Do

1:28:58

you remember at the very end of that writing what you

1:29:00

wrote about it? Something

1:29:07

to the effect that I know what's happening.

1:29:16

Something like this. I said once upon a time

1:29:18

there were six. Now there are

1:29:20

only three. Only the quiet ones are left.

1:29:23

My mom, my little sister and me. Only

1:29:29

the quiet ones are left. That's so

1:29:33

eerie. And

1:29:35

you would, I don't know, you would

1:29:37

expect poetry in a moment of grief

1:29:40

to be. Not

1:29:43

that. Not that. Yeah. Right.

1:29:47

Just so cold too. Just

1:29:51

chilling. Yeah. So

1:29:54

Rachel admitted that killing her brother was

1:29:56

unfair. And you

1:29:58

know, honestly, like, I don't even. know what to

1:30:00

believe half the time in these interrogations, but I'm

1:30:03

just reiterating what she was saying. And

1:30:06

in her opinion, they should have

1:30:09

just sent him to an assisted

1:30:11

living facility, right? Which definitely exists.

1:30:14

So it's wild

1:30:16

that she had a solution for this,

1:30:18

and maybe they had spoken about this

1:30:21

at some point, but they

1:30:23

ended up choosing not to go with

1:30:25

that route. What's the money it

1:30:27

would cost to do that? My

1:30:29

guess is the reason why they didn't just

1:30:31

go that route. Seems like they

1:30:34

probably, and maybe not, but they probably

1:30:36

thought of other solutions,

1:30:39

but all those solutions involved more

1:30:42

money to do it. A

1:30:44

divorce, got to split

1:30:46

finances. He doesn't work, so

1:30:48

is there spousal support that

1:30:50

gets implemented? Shawn

1:30:54

goes to it. There's definitely facilities like this

1:30:57

that exist, but then

1:30:59

she was going to pay for that.

1:31:03

Sarah's got the student loans. It's

1:31:05

like they all carry this monetary

1:31:09

debt with them in some way. And

1:31:11

so she was like, well, the only way

1:31:13

to avoid that is if they're just not living

1:31:15

anymore. Which is wild that

1:31:17

that's the solution. Also

1:31:20

in this interrogation, Rachel and Diane,

1:31:22

Rachel admits, this is what she

1:31:25

says, that they also considered killing

1:31:27

Brianna after Sarah, which

1:31:29

initially Diane was like, no, I

1:31:32

love Rachel and Brianna. I would never kill them. But

1:31:35

I don't know who knows what's

1:31:37

true at this point. They were going to poison

1:31:39

her with root beer supposedly like the others. And

1:31:42

Rachel also admitted to helping her mom research

1:31:44

ways to kill their family members before committing

1:31:47

any of the murders. And I think this

1:31:49

is huge. They looked into

1:31:51

poisonous plants and cyanide in

1:31:53

their search engine histories, which God,

1:31:55

I want to talk about dumb criminals just

1:31:59

blatantly. everything in your

1:32:01

search engine detectives found searches like

1:32:04

Suffocation pills how

1:32:06

to kill your husband Good

1:32:09

God Rachel even researched

1:32:11

to see if they could use a form

1:32:13

of Wiccan magic to kill their family, which

1:32:15

we know Wiccan no results for

1:32:17

that. Yeah, right. There is

1:32:20

none in the end They chose

1:32:22

antifreeze and Diane recruited Rachel to

1:32:24

help her So

1:32:28

what exactly was their eventual goal?

1:32:30

I think we have a good picture

1:32:32

of it now But here's in

1:32:34

Rachel's own words Here's

1:32:37

the eerie goals For

1:32:43

far as dad it was for a little

1:32:45

peaks, okay a little

1:32:48

piece What good Sean

1:32:51

because he was annoying and Wow

1:32:55

Okay Texas

1:32:58

got to be like what the fuck? Sarah

1:33:01

was very noisy very

1:33:03

no the annoying and

1:33:05

they moving the peak look Dead.

1:33:08

Yeah the hell man Heartlet

1:33:16

what was the reason for Brianna? I Kind

1:33:22

of hear like crying Because

1:33:26

I know there's no way in hell I'd be able to take

1:33:28

care of her I Can't

1:33:31

take care of me So

1:33:34

how could I ever take care of her? I Don't

1:33:38

want it to go Oh

1:34:03

You just wanted who to be with you. Brianna.

1:34:12

You just wanted Brianna to be with you. Then

1:34:15

why were you going to kill her though? Because

1:34:20

then I would go with her. Because

1:34:27

I know eventually I'd have to kill

1:34:29

myself. And why is that?

1:34:33

Because then there'd be no point for

1:34:35

me being here if there was nobody else

1:34:37

in the house. Well

1:34:39

what about your mom? Mmm. We

1:34:51

talked about that. And

1:34:57

she basically agreed if I wasn't here,

1:35:00

she would have killed herself a long time ago.

1:35:04

Same goes for me. Mmm.

1:35:11

Does that make any sense at all? No, it kind

1:35:14

of feels like in their minds or whatever

1:35:16

justification, or it's all a lie, who knows.

1:35:19

But there's like this false dichotomy

1:35:21

of either you take care of

1:35:23

people in your family or you

1:35:25

kill them. And like that's

1:35:27

how they've rationalized this entire thing. It's

1:35:32

either you live in misery with

1:35:34

the burdens of your family or you kill

1:35:36

them. And that's mind

1:35:39

blowing to me. So

1:35:42

Rachel was worried about getting caught

1:35:44

and here's a weird response that

1:35:46

she had. Because the detective asked

1:35:48

both Diane and Rachel if they

1:35:50

ever even considered getting caught. Both

1:35:52

of them said not really. And

1:35:55

Rachel, when she thought about getting caught, she

1:35:57

had seen TV court cases. and

1:36:00

didn't want to become one of the people she

1:36:02

had seen on TV. Bazaar

1:36:05

responded. Well that didn't work out. Right. And

1:36:08

she just wanted to be left alone. According

1:36:10

to her, she never discussed the idea of

1:36:12

getting caught with her mother and she never

1:36:14

really thought she would ever get caught. So

1:36:17

they thought they were going to get off scot-free. They

1:36:20

thought they were so smart and so

1:36:22

thought out but really

1:36:24

they're dumb. Yeah. Very dumb.

1:36:27

Both of them. My thoughts too

1:36:30

about their eventual goal is like I

1:36:33

think many things at play here. There's

1:36:36

not another child that they have

1:36:38

to split the money with or spend

1:36:40

money on. Less expenses. Less expenses. Yeah.

1:36:43

Rachel and her mom can live the life that

1:36:45

they always dreamed of. That's

1:36:48

kind of the only thing that makes sense to me really. Yeah. All

1:36:51

the other shit just is I don't know. It

1:36:54

doesn't really have any logic to it. Yeah. It's

1:36:57

just a fine logic in the case honestly. Yeah.

1:37:01

Exactly. So after the confessions, Diane was

1:37:03

charged with two counts of first degree

1:37:05

murder, one count of assault

1:37:07

in the first degree, and one count of

1:37:09

armed criminal action. Rachel was

1:37:11

charged with two counts of second degree murder and

1:37:14

one count of first degree assault. In

1:37:16

2016, Diane took an Alfred plea. Which

1:37:19

again, an Alfred plea is a guilty plea

1:37:21

but the defendant claims innocence and

1:37:24

doesn't admit to the criminal act. The

1:37:26

Alfred plea is a very controversial thing. Which

1:37:31

I understand why because it's like you

1:37:34

get to plead guilty but you basically

1:37:36

are innocent of the act. Yeah.

1:37:39

You're like the evidence is stacked against me

1:37:41

and I know

1:37:44

that they're going to convict me

1:37:47

but somehow I didn't do it.

1:37:49

Right. Right. Somehow

1:37:51

it's better for me. But Diane ended up being sentenced to three

1:37:54

life terms in prison without the chance of parole and

1:37:56

she narrowly avoided the death penalty in

1:37:58

this case. Rachel,

1:40:00

she pled guilty in a deal with

1:40:02

prosecutors agreeing to testify against her mother.

1:40:05

Rachel was sentenced to two life

1:40:07

terms with a chance of parole after

1:40:09

42 and a half years. Of

1:40:12

course, both her and her mother have filed

1:40:14

for appeals and Rachel argued,

1:40:16

quote, When lawyers were appointed, my

1:40:18

fear of men was not accommodated,

1:40:21

leading to miscommunication, coercion

1:40:24

and mental duress. Being

1:40:26

in an interview room alone with a male detective

1:40:29

was like being flayed alive.

1:40:33

Wow. Wow. What

1:40:36

does that stem from your father? Like

1:40:38

what? What does that even come

1:40:40

in? That just sounds like a desperate. I

1:40:43

kind of use just like your mother. Yeah,

1:40:46

they're definitely come from the family. Yeah. Sure.

1:40:49

As for the youngest Brianna, her name has been

1:40:51

changed and she was taken into the foster care system.

1:40:54

Sarah was left with permanent physical and

1:40:57

psychological trauma, but

1:40:59

she has since forgiven her mother. She

1:41:03

actually does it in court. Let's

1:41:06

hear what Sarah had to say. I

1:41:09

tried to be a survivor than

1:41:11

a victim. She not

1:41:13

only took away my dad's

1:41:15

brother, but she took

1:41:17

away my independence. What's

1:41:20

so absolutely messed up

1:41:22

about Sarah

1:41:25

being in court, having

1:41:28

the courage to say these things and

1:41:30

stand before her mother is that

1:41:33

her mother didn't even look at

1:41:35

her, refused to turn around and

1:41:38

look at her own daughter. Sarah

1:41:40

later said, quote, I

1:41:42

am a Christian and I believe forgiveness is the

1:41:44

only way to go. But

1:41:47

even with that forgiveness, she no longer sees

1:41:49

Diana Rachel as her family and her own words.

1:41:52

She thinks of them as killers that hate me. She

1:41:55

will live in assisted living for the rest of her

1:41:57

life due to the effects of

1:41:59

the poisoning. Throughout the years she

1:42:01

has added information about the case to her Facebook

1:42:03

profile, and her banner included a picture

1:42:05

of her father Mark performing with his band, Messing

1:42:08

with Destiny. And

1:42:10

just like Mark, Sarah now has a strong

1:42:13

interest in music, and she

1:42:15

has since picked up playing the bass guitar,

1:42:17

which I'm happy to hear. I'm just so

1:42:19

happy that she survived in this. I

1:42:22

mean, her life has forever changed in many

1:42:25

horrible ways, but I'm glad that

1:42:27

she's trying to create

1:42:32

a happy life for herself, and the best that she

1:42:34

can. And I hope, for

1:42:36

Brianna's sake, that she's doing okay.

1:42:39

But I can't even imagine

1:42:42

having to deal with this. Your

1:42:44

entire family is just fractured

1:42:46

and gone, essentially. But

1:42:50

man, I've

1:42:52

said this before, but it's always, I

1:42:55

don't know, liars, manipulators

1:42:57

terrify me. And

1:43:02

Diane, I think

1:43:04

the thing with Diane is that like

1:43:09

many killers on paper, they seem

1:43:11

it's like, oh, you're just kind of an

1:43:13

average Joe. You go to church. Your

1:43:16

life at home is whatever. People don't

1:43:18

think twice about it from the outside.

1:43:20

Everything's quote normal, but something

1:43:25

seriously, deeply wrong

1:43:28

in this household. And I'm

1:43:30

always curious of what was

1:43:32

really going on for the months

1:43:34

and years that preceded this. We

1:43:40

don't really know who Mark was to a deeper degree.

1:43:45

We just don't really know the family

1:43:47

dynamics that much. And since they're such

1:43:50

liars, it's like you can't really trust

1:43:52

what they have to say about a lot of it. Because

1:43:54

I mean, the big question is how

1:43:56

did this escalate to murder? Yeah. How

1:43:59

did. we get to the point and

1:44:02

was it really just because of the financial

1:44:04

burden and the emotional

1:44:06

burden that

1:44:09

drove Diane to

1:44:11

wanna permanently remove them from

1:44:15

their life but also the rest

1:44:17

of her family's lives? That's

1:44:19

the big question there that

1:44:21

we probably will never know, especially now that

1:44:23

she's like, I'm innocent, I didn't do anything.

1:44:25

Yeah, my son was connected to a drug

1:44:28

ring and stuff. She's

1:44:31

just, I think she's

1:44:33

just a deeply, deeply

1:44:35

selfish, disturbed individual and

1:44:37

it sounds like everybody who's ever come in

1:44:39

contact with her, even outside of the family,

1:44:41

has picked up on that and so they

1:44:44

shape her form. For sure. So it's just, maybe

1:44:46

it's just, and

1:44:48

her daughter seems to be

1:44:50

the same way. So it's just a deeply

1:44:54

rooted, almost genetic thing. This

1:44:58

is just something that has always been there

1:45:00

that manifested itself when

1:45:03

the opportunity arose. Yeah, because, I mean, they

1:45:05

did say, I don't know, this is according

1:45:07

to Diana, obviously, but she did say, she's

1:45:09

like, in their early years, things were really

1:45:12

great. So yeah,

1:45:14

when did it start? Was it

1:45:16

like a really, really slow decline and

1:45:20

then all of a sudden they were like, now's the

1:45:22

time? Was there the straw that

1:45:24

broke the camel's back? I

1:45:27

just, it just seems like we're

1:45:29

missing something. Yeah, or maybe

1:45:31

we just, it's just hard to compartmentalize

1:45:34

because it's just so

1:45:36

crazy to think that someone would do

1:45:38

this, really, for any reason. It's

1:45:40

wild. Yeah, it

1:45:43

just makes no sense whatsoever. I

1:45:46

am glad that they got proper

1:45:49

justice was served, I feel in this case.

1:45:51

Yeah. I think life

1:45:54

in prison without the possibility of parole was

1:45:56

very, very fair

1:45:58

for Diane and what she did. And

1:46:00

I hope she never, that never gets

1:46:03

overturned. Or she gets

1:46:05

a chance of parole somehow. And

1:46:07

I know Rachel, she'll be in, as her

1:46:10

sentence stands now, she'd be in her 60s,

1:46:12

I think. Yeah, I mean her whole life's over. Although

1:46:15

there is always the possibility of her

1:46:18

perling earlier than probably 42

1:46:20

and a half years. Especially through

1:46:22

the appeals process. So we'll have to just see if anything

1:46:26

comes of the appeals process and they're

1:46:28

able to get their sentences reduced or anything like that.

1:46:30

But for the sake of her family,

1:46:32

and for those that were just

1:46:35

murdered, I mean being poisoned to

1:46:37

death just is a

1:46:41

horrible, horrible way to die. I

1:46:43

mean your whole body essentially shuts

1:46:46

down. And your last days are

1:46:48

you just being

1:46:51

tortured basically, being tortured. I

1:46:56

feel just so

1:46:58

bad for Sarah, Brianna, and

1:47:01

obviously Mark and Sean. I mean

1:47:03

Sean, it's like, he didn't

1:47:06

even do anything. He's just being who

1:47:09

he is. Yeah, it's very. And his own

1:47:11

mother is like, nope, I'd

1:47:13

rather you not be here. Yeah, well

1:47:15

you would walk into the bathroom sometimes

1:47:18

just to take craziest excuses for how

1:47:21

she justified these killings. Danny,

1:47:24

any thoughts on this case? Or you feel

1:47:27

like their punishment was

1:47:29

just? I

1:47:32

mean I feel like no punishment is ever gonna be

1:47:34

just. Yeah, it doesn't bring back those relations. As

1:47:37

far as Diane goes, I mean it really seems like a

1:47:39

lot of what she did was to try and save Faith.

1:47:41

I think for the whole reason why she ended up killing

1:47:43

instead of getting a divorce. I think

1:47:45

the divorce would have been financially messy. It

1:47:48

probably would have ruined her good looks

1:47:50

in the church. Absolutely. If she found she

1:47:52

got away with this, it'd be a lot

1:47:54

easier and it's just disgusting. And as far

1:47:57

as Rachel goes, I think she's. is

1:48:00

evil too. I think she's like Austin said, comes

1:48:02

from the same cloth as her mother and I

1:48:05

mean I hope she doesn't get out. I hope she doesn't get paroled

1:48:09

anything. I hope she stays in there and

1:48:11

I hope she fucking ruts really. Amen.

1:48:16

Yeah, I have not much else to say

1:48:18

about this one. My god.

1:48:20

Yeah, just a horrible, horrible

1:48:24

tragedy for this

1:48:26

poor family. But we're

1:48:29

going to go ahead and wrap up today's episode there. Let

1:48:32

us know your thoughts on Diane and Rachel

1:48:34

and what you thought of this case and we'll

1:48:37

catch you guys in the next one and

1:48:40

until then, nice out, everybody.