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What's up everybody, welcome back to another

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episode of Lights Out.

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Today we're covering a case that just recently

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came to a final

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conclusion. Taylor Coronado,

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which you can later change her last name to

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Shabizness. We've covered

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a lot of monsters on Lights Out and at this

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point I'm really not shocked by

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how evil people can be. On February

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12th, 2020, Taylor took a selfie

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with her phone. On the phone screen

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she had

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a picture of Jeffrey Dahmer on it. I

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will pray that you

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meet the same fate as your idolistic

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Jeffrey Dahmer.

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So have a good life, shit business. She

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noticed a misplaced 5-gallon bucket.

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It was covered by a towel. Taylor lifted

0:49

the towel up and looked inside. In

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the bottom of the bucket,

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she saw Shad's decapitated

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head.

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Lights Out, everybody.

1:12

What's up everybody,

1:14

welcome back to another episode of Lights

1:17

Out. I'm your host

1:19

Josh and I'm joined in this haunted

1:22

studio by my co-host Austin. Hey

1:24

man, how's it going? I'm living

1:27

man, living. Good. I'm

1:29

your host and producer Daniel. What's up man?

1:32

What's up guys? Today we're covering a case

1:34

that just recently came to

1:37

a final conclusion and

1:40

with the right

1:41

punishment. We've covered a lot

1:44

of monsters on Lights Out and at this point

1:46

I'm really not shocked by

1:48

how evil people can be. Yeah, we've

1:50

seen it all here. Pretty much. I

1:53

can't think of any other type of evil

1:55

that's out there that we have not covered

1:58

one way or another.

1:59

But today we're covering a female

2:02

monster who

2:05

used a lot of drugs and that definitely plays

2:07

a huge part in this

2:10

case. However, I do

2:12

think there are some other elements to this that

2:14

play into the horrific murder

2:17

that she committed. And

2:21

man, this one, this

2:23

one is wild. The

2:25

interrogation footage, the police

2:27

body cam footage of finding the victim's body

2:29

is just,

2:31

it's on a whole nother level.

2:34

This occurred in 2022 and you've probably seen it, especially

2:36

if you're from Wisconsin.

2:39

You've probably heard of the Taylor business

2:42

case and Shad Therion,

2:46

but it is a very, very tragic story.

2:49

So we're going to be diving into that here in just

2:51

a moment. I did want to thank everybody out there

2:54

who voted for our

2:56

show in the Signal Awards, which is a podcast

3:01

award ceremony, I guess. We're recording

3:03

this on Monday, October 9th, and we're going to be

3:05

finding out the results on whether or not we won

3:08

a Signal Award tomorrow,

3:10

Tuesday, October 10th. So we

3:12

will post, I'll post a comment on

3:16

YouTube to let you guys know if we want

3:18

or not. But I just want to thank everybody who took the time to

3:20

go and vote for the show. We were voted

3:22

top three paranormal shows

3:24

that submitted to the Signal Awards. So

3:26

at the very least we'll win third place. I'm hoping for

3:29

first place, of course. And then we, there's

3:31

also the People's Choice Award, which

3:33

is what you guys voted for, for best

3:35

paranormal podcasts. So I'm crossing my

3:37

fingers. I'm hoping we, we

3:40

bring home the dub. Yeah. Because

3:43

we work very hard here at Lights Out to bring you this

3:45

content.

3:47

And it's about time that

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we get recognized

3:51

for our hard work

3:52

and for our amazing audience

3:54

out there that listens to us day in,

3:56

day out. We really appreciate all of

3:58

you for helping us. take

4:00

lights out to where it's gone and

4:03

beyond. We have so much more plans especially

4:05

going into the next couple weeks with the Halloween

4:08

episode coming up which will be very fun.

4:10

I think you'll enjoy it quite a bit but

4:15

so much to look forward to. With

4:17

that being said we're just gonna go on and dive right in

4:19

today because there's a lot of ground to cover. There's

4:21

a lot of clips in this one which I think you'll

4:24

find

4:25

very intriguing. So we're

4:28

gonna start this story by talking

4:30

about the victim in this case Mr.

4:33

Shad Rock Therian who's

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born in Green Bay Wisconsin on September 7th 1997

4:37

to Tara Packenek and Michael

4:40

Therian. He grew up with two sisters

4:43

and a brother in the Green Bay area, Bill

4:45

Packers.

4:46

As a child he went to Howard Swamico

4:49

schools and in his teens he went

4:51

to Bayport High. He never finished

4:53

his schooling though and he later dropped out in 2015

4:55

but he was able to find work in the family business

4:58

with his father and grandfather. His

5:00

family described him as a kind and compassionate

5:03

soul. He loved games, camping,

5:05

and spending time with his family. He

5:07

also had a passion for music and he was

5:09

a talented artist who enjoyed wood carving.

5:13

But while in high school he dated a girl he had known

5:15

since middle school named Taylor Coronado

5:19

which she would later change her last name to Shabizness

5:22

which I still haven't been able

5:24

to understand why. Why that name. That's

5:28

really the only word for it. When

5:31

they began dating Shad's father Michael noted that

5:33

Taylor was quote-unquote polite.

5:36

Polite girl at the time I guess. The

5:38

romance was short-lived and they broke up after dating

5:41

for less than two years but they remained friends.

5:44

Now Taylor was born Taylor Denise

5:46

Coronado in Evanston Illinois

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and she was born on November 23rd 1997. Her parents were named

5:53

Arturo and Marla Coronado and

5:55

she grew up with a younger brother named AJ. Together

5:58

they lived in the Chicago area until... Taylor was in fourth

6:00

grade. Her father said when Taylor was

6:03

young, she was a quote unquote normal girl

6:05

who liked volleyball. The family

6:08

then moved to Green Bay, Wisconsin for her father's

6:10

work when she was 12 years old. But

6:12

she later lived with her paternal grandparents in Texas

6:15

for some time before eventually moving

6:17

back to Green Bay with her parents.

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As far as we know, her childhood was mostly

6:23

stable, but the early death of her mother

6:26

started a downward spiral in Taylor's life.

6:29

On May 20th, 2009, her 41 year old mother Marla passed

6:33

away from cirrhosis and complications

6:35

from alcoholism. Taylor

6:37

was only 11 at the time. The

6:39

family had known she was ill, but the moment of her

6:41

death was unexpected. Her father

6:44

Arturo and Marla had spent the previous night

6:46

together watching a movie and everything

6:48

seemed fine, but by the next morning, Marla

6:51

had passed away while sleeping next

6:53

to her husband. The rest of the Coronado

6:55

struggled to cope with Marla's death and

6:58

around this time, Taylor began having problems

7:00

in school. There was an incident

7:02

where she stole a classmate's instrument,

7:05

but to her father, you know, this is a regular kid

7:07

who got into some harmless trouble from time to

7:09

time, but at some point she

7:11

did receive mental health treatment to address

7:14

behavioral issues while in seventh grade.

7:16

Taylor's father Arturo took her to Nicolette

7:19

Psychiatric Center in Green Bay. And

7:21

as he put it, quote, she

7:23

wasn't acting like herself. She

7:26

was prescribed medication after her visit, but

7:28

did not continue to take the medication.

7:32

Her father had also remarried while Taylor was still

7:34

in school, which caused tension at home. And

7:36

when Taylor began dating Shad in high school, her behavior

7:39

only got worse. By her senior

7:41

year, she was expelled from the school

7:43

due to fighting. She ended up moving in

7:45

with her grandparents in Texas once again, and

7:48

she finished her schooling in 2016

7:50

at Catula High School. Then

7:53

she moved back in with her father. She

7:55

later enrolled in Grand Canyon University in Phoenix

7:57

for a short time, studying electronics

7:59

and computer. but she quickly dropped out.

8:02

In her free time, she made trinkets and knickknacks

8:04

out of beads and sold them online. Then

8:06

she found work as a machine operator at Saputo

8:09

Cheese in 2018. She

8:11

was employed there for around two years or so, but

8:13

on February 11, 2020, she left her job. Three

8:16

days later on Valentine's Day, she married her first

8:19

husband, Warren Edwin, Shabow.

8:23

So you kind of see where she business might come from.

8:26

Over the years, Edwin had several run-ins

8:28

with the law. The charges included

8:30

armed burglary, two counts of theft

8:32

as a party to the crime, disorderly

8:35

conduct, resisting an officer, possession,

8:37

and domestic abuse. The couple

8:39

soon started using the last name, Shabizniz

8:42

instead of Shabow, and they got

8:44

each other's names tattooed on their necks.

8:47

Early on in their relationship, they both began

8:50

abusing methamphetamines

8:52

pretty heavily. Taylor had also started

8:55

smoking marijuana by age 12 and

8:57

cocaine and meth by age 18. It

8:59

eventually got to the point that by 22 years old, Taylor

9:02

was abusing meth up to 10 times

9:04

a day. That's quite a bit

9:06

of meth. That's an incredible amount. So

9:08

meth, I mean, we don't have to get into it too

9:11

much, but this is a big player in this case.

9:14

Meth, as most of us know, it's cheap, it's

9:16

inexpensive, it's highly addictive. Here's

9:19

a quote from Dr. Sherry Fandry, who

9:22

is the lead of the Manitoba Addictions Knowledge

9:24

Exchange Center. She said, quote,

9:27

it has the biggest impact of any

9:29

stimulant drug on the reward and pleasure

9:31

system in the brain. Wow. It's

9:34

basically been described as the best feeling

9:36

you've ever had in your life

9:39

multiplied by 100.

9:41

And supposedly the crash, the come down,

9:44

is the worst you've ever felt multiplied by 100,

9:47

down to levels of suicidal depression.

9:50

So imagine abusing methamphetamine 10

9:53

times a day. The ups and

9:55

downs. You were going to your highest highs and

9:57

your lowest lows within a day.

10:00

which is insane to think about. Recovering

10:04

addicts have explained that while on the

10:06

drug, you're basically willing to do

10:08

anything without considering how it affects others,

10:10

which this will obviously

10:13

play into this case here. Well,

10:15

it really puts you into a different reality.

10:18

Yeah. It seems like. You're just not on the same plane

10:21

as someone who's sober, or

10:23

even, I mean, even someone just high on a different drug.

10:25

You're just on a different plane of reality. A

10:29

minority of users also experience

10:31

drug-induced psychosis, which is terrifying.

10:33

It includes visual hallucinations,

10:36

disorientation and memory problems,

10:39

long-term use, which is at

10:41

play here with Taylor, in

10:43

high doses. It's been connected to neurodegeneration

10:47

in the brain. The effects are similar to

10:49

something like they equate it to a stroke

10:52

or physical trauma to your brain. Wow.

10:54

Just think about that for a hot second. Yeah.

10:58

This also isn't even mentioning substitutions

11:00

or additions that might be thrown in. People

11:03

cut the drugs with certain things. Sometimes

11:05

maybe they dilute it and they don't realize

11:07

they're getting a batch that's not diluted, so

11:09

they're doing a bigger dose. And

11:13

things like fentanyl can be added to it, which

11:15

is a whole nother beast in the

11:17

past decade or so. That's been a huge

11:19

problem with meth users and a lot

11:21

of overdoses due to fentanyl.

11:24

So, I mean, suffice

11:26

it to say, meth is a terrible

11:28

drug. You shouldn't do it. It's

11:31

very powerful too. Yeah. Long-term

11:33

effects in high doses just do

11:35

terrible things to your brain and you will

11:37

lose yourself to it. And it like deteriorates

11:40

your body. Yeah. You ever

11:42

see somebody who abuses methamphetamine

11:45

for a period of time? I mean, it just

11:47

completely like, it's crazy. Crazy

11:49

enough, the first time I ever experienced that,

11:52

I was late night, I was watching adults swim

11:55

and they did a, it was a

11:57

Squidbillies episode. Oh, weird. amphetamine

12:00

they were joking about meth labs and stuff but

12:03

then they did a short PSA at the end of the

12:05

episode because they realized like hey we know we're

12:07

joking about this but this is also a serious issue

12:09

and they showed all those images of people

12:11

it's like three years after using

12:14

meth and like their teeth are gone

12:16

their skin is just totally dry

12:19

and wrinkly and stuff they look like they aged 20

12:21

years. Yeah yeah it's

12:23

really a terrible drug. So

12:26

together Taylor and Warren really

12:29

enabled each other's addictions and after

12:31

only four months of marriage police were called to their

12:33

neighborhood. Taylor was found wandering

12:36

incoherently throughout the neighborhood knocking

12:39

on doors until neighbors called the police. When

12:41

officers approached they asked Taylor what she was doing and

12:44

she said she wasn't sure and told

12:46

them that she was currently on a quote unquote

12:48

different planet. So that tells you right

12:50

there just the mind state of

12:53

somebody on meth. Officers

12:55

also noticed track marks on her arms and she admitted to recently

12:58

using drugs. As officers asked more

13:00

questions Taylor became irritated and walked

13:02

away from police straight into oncoming

13:04

traffic. The officer grabbed her and got

13:06

her to safety while another officer searched the county's

13:08

database in a squad car for more

13:11

information on Taylor. And as they

13:13

waited Taylor began saying some strange things

13:15

like asking officer in the squad car if

13:17

they were taking a shit

13:19

and she kept trying to walk into oncoming

13:21

traffic.

13:22

When the officer stopped her again Taylor began kicking

13:25

them. Another officer came to assist

13:27

and subdue her and Taylor fought back until

13:29

they pinned her on the ground. Once

13:31

they got control of her they arrested her and charged

13:33

her with battery on an officer and resisting

13:36

obstructing police officer. But

13:38

she was soon released on bond and

13:41

only two months later Taylor was once again in trouble

13:43

with the law. While in her car

13:45

an officer tried to pull her over for speeding

13:47

but Taylor decided to take off in a high speed chase

13:50

which happens quite a bit. She

13:52

ran several red lights and barely missed a

13:54

cyclist. She then evaded a police

13:56

pit maneuver and fled to a parking lot near her

13:58

father's house. As Taylor ran from

14:00

the vehicle, officers were able to arrest her,

14:03

and after searching her vehicle they found meth, a

14:05

syringe, an elastic band, and cotton balls.

14:08

Several more charges at that point were added to her,

14:11

a rap sheet including fleeing, eluding

14:13

an officer, resisting obstructing an officer,

14:15

bail jumping, and possession of drug paraphernalia.

14:18

She was then released on bond again, which is crazy

14:21

she was able to bond out after these are

14:23

pretty serious charges. At this

14:25

time she was required to wear an ankle monitor

14:28

and a pharma check drug use detection

14:30

sweat patch. So

14:32

the reason she's getting released on bond,

14:35

even though these are serious charges, is I'm assuming

14:37

because this was the height of COVID-19.

14:40

This is a time when

14:42

they were having, they were struggling keeping

14:44

inmates in jails and prisons and

14:46

they also were threatened with litigation

14:49

if they didn't control that to some degree.

14:52

So a lot of people were just using

14:54

these ankle monitoring systems or drug

14:57

use detection systems to sweat. So

14:59

this is in kind of like keeping the jails for the violent

15:02

crimes. Yeah, exactly. It's a drug

15:04

user. They know they're going to reoffend

15:06

rather than lock them up, savor

15:09

them for the more violent offenders is

15:12

my suspicion. So ankle

15:14

monitoring and drug detection

15:16

patches became way more common around

15:18

this time. An ankle monitor

15:20

typically tracks someone's location with GPS.

15:23

That's about it. Some do other things, but in

15:26

this case it was just GPS tracking. The

15:28

sweat patch that was mentioned is a,

15:31

that's the pharma check drug use detection

15:33

sweat patch.

15:35

That is a drug testing system that you place on

15:37

your arm. You keep there to monitor

15:39

any evidence of drugs through your sweat.

15:42

Now they claim that these are highly accurate,

15:44

can't be tampered with, etc,

15:45

etc.

15:47

Of course, every monitoring

15:49

system will claim that, but we

15:52

know that there's a lot of controversy with

15:54

these mechanisms,

15:56

especially the ankle monitoring

15:59

system, which we'll see probably problems with in this

16:01

case several times and

16:03

the accuracy and reliability of these devices

16:06

has always been come into question. Unfortunately,

16:09

these devices were just the

16:12

alternative to backing

16:14

people in jails and prisons during COVID-19.

16:17

So this

16:17

was the alternative that we were kind of left

16:20

with. And so Taylor was just a part of this.

16:23

A few months after Taylor's arrest, her husband

16:25

Warren was also arrested on November 13th, 2020 during

16:29

a traffic incident. Ash Wabanon

16:31

police discovered 46 grams

16:33

of meth and after searching his phone

16:35

police found evidence of Warren being connected to

16:38

a large drug ring. He later pled

16:40

guilty to possession with intent to deliver

16:42

and was sentenced to a little less than four years

16:44

in prison. On social media, Warren

16:46

had changed his profile picture to his own mugshot

16:49

and later claimed that he was framed.

16:52

Taylor also defended her husband on social media

16:54

while he was in prison. Not long after

16:57

she ended up breaking the monitoring rules in

16:59

January 2021 after she removed the

17:01

device from her ankle. She was caught

17:04

and forced to wear the monitor again, but

17:06

only a month later she was caught removing the device

17:09

again. And around this time Taylor also

17:11

realized she was pregnant, supposedly

17:13

with Warren's child. Court documents

17:15

later claim the child was Warren's, but the timeframe

17:18

doesn't really add up. It isn't clear

17:20

if Warren is the biological father and

17:22

the newborn would later take on Taylor's maiden

17:24

name, Coronado. In

17:27

June 2021 Taylor was scheduled for a court appearance

17:29

for the charges against her, but she never showed up.

17:32

A warrant was put out for arrest, but she showed up to court

17:34

a few days later. The warrant was cancelled

17:37

and she was allowed to stay out of jail on bond.

17:40

Two months later Taylor pled no contest to fleeing

17:42

or eluding an officer, resisting obstructing

17:44

an officer and battery against an officer and

17:47

all other charges were dropped. She

17:49

was given three years probation and three months in jail,

17:52

which was later reduced to house arrest with

17:54

an ankle monitor. In October 2021

17:57

after her house arrest was over Taylor traveled

17:59

to Texas to be with her paternal grandparents.

18:02

And while there she gave birth to a son she

18:04

named Mateo Coronado. Child

18:07

protective services soon took the baby, but

18:09

a month later Taylor's grandparents in Texas took

18:11

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So over these next few months, Taylor's behavior

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20:36

her child was recently taken away from her.

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20:43

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20:46

is just her online activity. So

20:49

she continued to talk about her loyalty to her

20:51

incarcerated husband through social

20:53

media posts. One post said, quote,

20:56

I have an eight in two weeks. His

20:58

bond money comes first. But

21:01

by January 2022, something had happened. Their

21:05

relationship had quickly fallen apart. One

21:08

post read, double-cross my loyalty.

21:11

That's one thing you'll never get back. Let's

21:13

play. I'm assuming

21:15

he cheated somehow.

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Yeah, I'm not exactly sure. Three

21:20

days later after that post, she posted, quote,

21:23

I got hitched to show them my commitment,

21:25

loyalty, and dedication to them that

21:28

I was never gonna be how I used to be.

21:31

Then they turn around and fuck on me. There's

21:33

no way I'll ever go into another

21:35

relationship. Hashtag can't

21:38

trust no one. And

21:41

her last post that we know of came

21:43

that same day and said, quote, went off

21:45

and told an addict I'll never stop buying

21:47

you dope so I could sit back, watch

21:50

you die. And it's not really clear

21:52

who exactly she's referencing in this post,

21:55

but

21:55

an underlying sense

21:58

of violence there, I would say.

22:00

Around the same time too, she began searching

22:03

things about Jeffrey Dahmer online.

22:07

Everyone kind of searches about Jeffrey Dahmer.

22:09

He's one of the biggest names in crime, right?

22:12

But she was searching strange things like Jeffrey

22:14

Dahmer, Jeff Boyardee, which

22:17

is a meme mashup of Jeffrey Dahmer

22:19

and Chef Boyardee, Jeffrey

22:21

Dahmer's butt, and Jeffrey

22:23

Dahmer walking all sexy into

22:25

court. So these are literal Google

22:28

searches. Those are her Google searches,

22:30

which were later acquired by

22:33

investigators. So one

22:35

thing that I can think of for why she

22:37

might be searching this at this time period, again, this

22:39

is 2022. The Netflix

22:42

show. The Netflix show came out. Exactly. So

22:44

there was a ton of buzz around it. And I assume

22:47

she probably watched the Netflix show

22:49

and then wanted to know more or found

22:52

it. For sure. That's

22:54

good to note too. But then on February 12th, 2020,

22:57

Taylor took a selfie with her phone,

22:59

which is this cringe. And

23:04

on the phone, she had a picture of Jeffrey

23:06

Dahmer on it. You can see it. It

23:08

looks like she's kind of laying down and the

23:11

phone's resting by her face and she's smiling with

23:14

just an old picture of Jeffrey Dahmer. That's very creepy.

23:17

Super weird. And only 10 days later, Taylor

23:19

would go from a no-name meth addict

23:21

on house arrest to one of the most

23:24

infamous killers of 2022. Yeah.

23:27

So caution. This is where things

23:30

go really bad and become

23:33

very graphic. After

23:35

the relationship with her husband fell apart, Taylor

23:37

reconnected with her high school ex-boyfriend,

23:39

Shad Therian. On the

23:41

night of February 22nd, 2022, Shad decided to stay

23:44

at his mother Tara Pakenick's house on Stony

23:47

Brook Lane. Usually Shad

23:49

lived with his father, but he would occasionally go over to

23:51

his mother's place to eat and do laundry.

23:54

Taylor borrowed her roommate's van and picked Shad up

23:56

around 9.30 pm that night. She

23:58

was with another friend, Al. Xander Ganon, who

24:00

went by AJ, whom they both knew from

24:03

school. The three of them bought drugs before

24:05

heading to Taylor's apartment on Eastman Avenue.

24:08

She was living with a 53-year-old man named

24:10

Scott Thomas, and the plan was to hang out

24:12

at the apartment that night and smoke weed and

24:15

do some meth. A little past midnight,

24:18

Taylor gave Shad a haircut and took a picture

24:20

of him on her phone. AJ later

24:22

reported that everything seemed fine while they were hanging

24:24

out, and he left soon after. Taylor

24:26

and Shad then took Trasadone together.

24:29

So here's another drug at play. Trasadone

24:32

is a prescription sedative and an antidepressant

24:35

that can be used recreationally. Its

24:37

street name is called Sleep

24:39

Easy. It doesn't

24:41

cause euphoria, but it produces this

24:44

relaxing, calming effect, and a

24:46

lot of people who take it often take

24:48

it with other drugs to increase that effect.

24:51

The common ones are alcohol, ecstasy,

24:54

and you can guess it, methamphetamine. It's

24:57

also important to note that by now,

25:00

Taylor has marijuana, meth, and

25:03

Trasadone in her system. Possibly

25:05

more that we don't know of, but that is the

25:07

concoction that she's dealing with chemically

25:10

at this point in the

25:12

night. So as we move into the next

25:15

events that happen, that is important to keep

25:17

in mind is that she's clearly

25:20

very, very high on

25:21

multiple drugs and substances. So

25:24

in the early morning hours of February 23rd, both

25:26

Taylor and Shad drove Scott's van back to his

25:28

mother's house and went downstairs to the basement.

25:32

Neither of them saw or spoke to Tara or her

25:34

boyfriend who were in the house. Tara

25:37

assumed that both her son and Taylor were home

25:39

because she heard Taylor's voice and saw the van on the

25:41

street. Around 2.30am,

25:43

Tara woke up to the storm door on the side of the house

25:46

slamming shut. This door was right

25:48

at the top of the basement stairs, so

25:50

Tara figured it was Taylor leaving the house.

25:53

And a few moments later she heard the van's engine

25:55

starting out on the street and driving away.

25:58

After getting out of bed, Tara noticed that the basement was closed. light

26:00

was on, which was fairly odd. So

26:02

she went downstairs to see what was going on, thinking her

26:04

son Shad might have left it on. When

26:07

she went down there, she didn't see him at first, so she

26:09

figured he had left with Taylor. But

26:11

just before heading back upstairs, she

26:14

noticed a misplaced 5 gallon bucket

26:16

on the floor beside the bottom of the basement

26:19

stairs. It was covered by a

26:21

towel. Out of curiosity,

26:23

Tara lifted the towel up and looked inside.

26:27

And in the bottom of the bucket, resting

26:29

in a pool of blood, she

26:32

saw Shad's decapitated head.

26:35

I can't even imagine, I mean

26:37

it was probably just surreal

26:40

in that moment, it was just like I'm not seeing what I'm actually

26:42

seeing here. Tara

26:45

then ran back upstairs and woke up her

26:47

boyfriend, Steve Hendricks.

26:49

When she told him what she had found,

26:51

he didn't believe her, so he went downstairs

26:53

and had to look for himself.

26:56

And as he looked down into the bloody mess, he could have processed

26:58

what he had seen.

27:00

He couldn't tell exactly what was inside the bucket,

27:02

but Tara promised him that it

27:04

was her son's head. That's

27:07

when they called the non-emergency number.

27:10

It's weird that they called the non-emergency number, I

27:12

would be calling 911. Yeah, that's an

27:14

interesting point to bring up. He

27:17

was still in denial, Tara's boyfriend.

27:19

So they didn't want to like overreact

27:21

because there was something else. He still thought,

27:23

which you'll hear in the phone call, he still kind of

27:25

thought that maybe she was just going through

27:28

something and he didn't really know.

27:30

He went down and looked in the bucket and we'll see later

27:33

in some clips of the trial. He

27:35

looked down and he thought it was like an animal

27:38

parts or something. He saw the hair and he

27:40

did see the head, but I don't know, it's kind of

27:42

one of those things where you just can't process what

27:44

the hell you're seeing. I can imagine. Because it's so

27:46

horrific, right? That would be the last thing

27:48

that you would think you would be seeing. Right,

27:51

yeah, no problem. I understand how

27:53

you think such as a dead animal

27:55

in there or something. Right, yeah, so that's

27:57

why they called the non-emergency number because

27:59

he was... still kind of in denial about it. He

28:01

thought his girlfriend was having some sort of

28:03

episode. Let's listen

28:06

to some of the audio from that call.

28:09

I

28:30

don't know what's happening.

28:50

He's

29:00

claiming it has five. Oh,

29:02

is he? He's 25.

29:09

Is he missing or? No,

29:11

he was here yesterday with

29:13

some check and then now it says nobody's

29:16

here. And she came

29:18

up to use the restroom a couple of times. And

29:22

they call and they call about. She's saying that

29:24

she hears the phone down there too. Okay,

29:26

is she with you right now? Yes,

29:29

I won't. She's not there. She's going to

29:31

freak out. I don't know what to do. Okay,

29:34

alright. She's down there.

29:36

And you said you went down there, correct?

29:39

Yeah, I lifted it whole, but

29:41

I can't. I can't see very well, but I can't.

29:44

So there's something in the

29:46

bucket. There's someone

29:48

in the bucket.

29:50

Okay.

29:54

She might lift again. I don't know

29:56

what to help him.

29:59

Do you think that? I

30:02

think that she has with the owner. Don't

30:04

put them down, welcome. I mean, I

30:06

can't. I call them. She's a real freak dog

30:09

and can't take any off. Can

30:13

I contact her? Yes, you

30:15

can. Hello. Hi,

30:18

Tara. So do you have something going on? Pray

30:20

positive my son had his in a bucket.

30:24

I know, but maybe he's like, what

30:26

makes you think that?

30:28

I want to take a bucket. When

30:30

did she see?

30:32

Except when I told you. Okay.

30:35

Where's the

30:37

where's the rest of the body at? No,

30:41

I am. Okay.

30:45

When's the last time you saw your son? Well,

30:50

I had 21 days, so I

30:53

picked up some of the guys

30:55

on the list.

30:57

And, you know, he normally stayed

30:59

here. He was staying here for a few days. He

31:02

was here a couple

31:04

of hours. Then he left

31:06

with Taylor. And

31:08

then the first family.

31:11

Taylor. Who's that?

31:15

What's the last time you saw him?

31:18

Well, he left with her. No

31:22

one was stable. He came back. I

31:25

believed he was at one of your meetings

31:28

Monday night. And

31:33

I think I slept all day yesterday.

31:36

So I received him on

31:38

the night, physically. I

31:41

thought they were sleeping all day. I

31:44

was going to the

31:44

little island just three

31:47

two days. And he's

31:49

concerned. What do you mean?

31:53

You know what I mean? And

31:55

then I hurt

31:58

my door. And

32:00

her

32:01

minivan started

32:03

and I went downstairs, I looked at the bathroom,

32:05

the light cloud in the basement. I

32:07

heard the mop and I looked around from

32:10

there. And then

32:12

when I turned around, I came back upstairs and I was upside

32:15

down the bucket. How old were you? And

32:17

I'm like, oh great, that's my dad out here all

32:19

day yesterday. I was picked up in the bucket. And

32:22

I looked and I was like, isn't that bucket?

32:24

What

32:24

is your son's name? Like,

32:27

back there?

32:29

It's really kind of a bizarre call. Yeah,

32:32

isn't it? Because clearly

32:34

the dispatchers, things

32:37

that they're just making this up or hallucinating

32:39

or he's like, he

32:41

can't even wrap his head around this. Right, which I almost

32:44

don't even blame him. Someone calls you and

32:46

they're like, I think I found my son's head in the bucket.

32:49

It just sounds insane.

32:52

But yeah,

32:53

he does treat her kind of strangely. If

32:55

that is

32:58

coming out of someone's mouth, you probably should send somebody

33:00

to go check in on them whether or not it's true.

33:03

Just to make sure they're okay. Because I mean, that'd be

33:06

a serious hallucination. Yeah,

33:08

which I think even in we'll be watching

33:10

one of the body cam, uh, footages

33:13

from when they go down and discover it,

33:15

uh, you can hear

33:17

one of the officers radio

33:19

in and he calls off, you know, how they

33:21

have all their list of codes. Yeah. I looked

33:23

at one of the codes he mentions and he's like, this is not

33:26

a mental health checkup. Because

33:28

we thought it initially was just a word

33:31

for the, um, his mother.

33:33

But yeah, they realized it was actually serious.

33:37

Yeah. At 3 37 a.m.

33:40

two police officers showed up at their house. They walked

33:42

into the side door from the driveway and

33:44

there was still doubt that Tara had actually found her

33:47

son severed head in her basement, but the two

33:49

officers would soon find out. Sadly,

33:52

she wasn't lying.

33:53

Here's some of that body cam footage.

34:00

I'm sorry. Oh.

34:04

Oh. Did

34:18

you both see this? I opened

34:20

the tunnel. I picked up the tunnel and I drove

34:22

it down. What the fuck did it mean? She

34:26

like to say the top of my face and go,

34:28

hey, how did you fucking put it? Okay,

34:31

we'll stay with those two hours, we'll see. Yeah.

34:35

We're going to go right there. A lot

34:37

of lights, a lot of crackers, or something. Mm-hmm. I

34:41

don't know. You know, I just

34:43

keep quiet.

34:56

Good. Good. Why?

35:03

Why don't you go over there and follow our

35:05

fucking line?

35:08

This is great. Oh, no, please.

35:12

Mm-hmm.

35:22

This is all right. Listen.

35:27

Okay. Hold on, please.

35:34

That's

35:38

not right. That's

35:42

not right. Oh,

35:45

I guess. 4-F1

35:47

to VHSM.

35:57

I know you're busy over there, but... This

36:00

is actually what it's gonna be. It's not gonna be a 961 thing

36:03

or 96 thing. So,

36:06

where are you gonna see it?

36:08

So, those who are listening, they basically just went down

36:10

in the basement and they're kind

36:12

of in disbelief. They have to check the bucket several

36:15

times because even they can't really wrap their head around

36:17

what's in there. That's pretty evident

36:20

just by how calm they're

36:22

being in the situation. I mean, it's,

36:24

I mean, I'm sure it's not something they see every day. They

36:26

definitely see gruesome

36:29

crime scenes, but every day you find

36:31

somebody's severed head in a bucket. Right. So,

36:35

as they're down there kind of looking around

36:37

the basement, they're doing their best not to disturb the

36:39

crime scene. And, you know, they made the right call,

36:41

you know, get the higher ups involved,

36:43

get more units out there to secure the crime scene because

36:46

that's what it is at this point. And

36:48

they also noticed what looked like pieces of human

36:50

flesh and blood on the floor near the mattress.

36:53

After looking in the bucket one last time to confirm

36:56

what they were seeing that it was a human head

36:58

inside, the officers secured the scene.

37:01

Meanwhile, a few officers were sent over to Taylor's apartment

37:03

since Shad's mother confirmed that Taylor was the

37:05

last person seen with her son. At

37:08

around 5.11 a.m., officers arrived

37:10

at the apartment. They spotted the van in

37:12

the parking lot of the apartment complex and searched

37:14

it with flashlights from the outside. The

37:16

inside was filled with junk, including a crock-pot

37:19

box. They didn't know this then, but

37:21

Shad severed left leg and both

37:23

sides were inside that box. Near

37:26

the front of the car, they noticed a bloody footprint in

37:28

the snow. As they stood near the car, the

37:30

van unlocked. Taylor had actually been washing

37:33

them from her apartment building and she unlocked

37:35

the car with her key fob. She

37:37

then came outside the front door of her apartment building

37:40

and when one of the officers asked if she knew why they

37:42

were there, she said she thought they were

37:44

there for a warrant for her arrest and

37:46

then admitted to removing her ankle monitor

37:49

again. While they handcuffed her,

37:51

they also noticed that she had blood

37:53

on her hands. They kept

37:55

Taylor on the stairs outside of her apartment while they

37:57

went into search. They found the door open. apartment

38:00

open and inside investigators discovered several

38:03

cell phones, marijuana, and three syringes stuck

38:05

together with an unknown substance.

38:08

Blood that would later be identified as shads was also

38:10

discovered on Taylor's apartment door and

38:12

light switch, including the bloody footprint

38:15

they had previously found outside.

38:18

Taylor's roommate Scott Thomason came outside

38:20

where they arrested him and took both of them to

38:22

the police station. While at the station,

38:24

they photographed the blood and the injuries on Taylor's

38:26

hands and they also found blood on her clothing

38:28

which was later confirmed to be shads. She

38:31

changed into a yellow jumpsuit before detectives

38:33

brought her into an interview room where they asked

38:35

her some questions. After they read

38:37

off her rights, they questioned her for about six hours

38:40

with a few breaks in between. Taylor

38:42

was surprisingly cooperative and calm

38:44

throughout the interviews. When they first asked

38:46

her what had happened, she said she didn't know. She

38:49

just claimed that she had quote unquote blacked out.

38:52

She told them how she and shad have been using meth,

38:54

which she called quote the shit

38:57

that she also admitted that once they got back to shad's

38:59

mom's house, he put a choke chain

39:02

around his neck so she could choke

39:04

him, which they had done before. Here's

39:08

some different interview clips we'd

39:10

like you to see.

39:12

Just a forewarning the audio isn't great,

39:15

so we'll put subtitles underneath to

39:18

help you follow along.

39:28

Have you used what we call props in

39:30

the past? Yes.

39:32

What? One

39:34

thing, dill bill? Dads or

39:36

rope chain or unroll error

39:38

rate?

39:40

Um

39:42

yeah, I

39:45

showed the dill bill in ads and

39:48

all. In

39:49

the past or just recently?

39:52

When you're in zag wash, when you put the hot on

39:54

the bed, yeah. The

40:00

shingles are on the snacking, so I choked on

40:02

them. Then you

40:04

just realized that he was going to die or what? I'm

40:08

just like, shit.

40:10

I think I went a little too far. I

40:12

was like, I was black and I was doing alright. And

40:15

you're like, aw. And then I was

40:17

like, I'm on my shade very purple and fuck. I'm

40:19

like, I don't know if he's fucking good or

40:21

he's

40:22

good. But then when I woke

40:24

up, like, no, during the black, I'm

40:26

like, shit. Like, he was

40:28

coughing on blood on me. I

40:31

don't know. I just said I'm gone. How are you? I'm

40:34

having trouble. You

40:37

mean the company said that when you were talking

40:39

to your cough on blood, you were kind of like, well,

40:42

going as far as I'm going to keep going. Did

40:44

you realize that by continuing that,

40:46

that we told?

40:48

Oh, yeah. Because I felt bad. Because

40:51

I'm like, damn, he's going to be using that. I'm just like,

40:53

man, it's up to you. So

40:55

you realize that by continuing that, you

40:57

mean that you may actually feel it.

40:59

He was, I swear to God, he was

41:01

telling me just like, it's

41:03

all on my phone. And I did.

41:06

Oh, come on.

41:09

Oh. So your child

41:11

went back to Sharon's mom's

41:13

house. How did you

41:15

get it? Was that

41:17

anybody home?

41:19

I was.

41:22

What? I'm telling you, it was.

41:26

Okay. Was

41:29

anybody home? Did you encounter anybody?

41:32

I understand. His mom was here. Here.

41:36

Here. Is that your mom's name? Yes.

41:39

Damn. I

41:41

can't believe I left that. I'm

41:45

always going to look at you. I

41:47

got you there. So

41:49

we're going to take the hits on. All

41:51

right. Do you like that?

41:54

I like

41:54

that. I like that. I like that. I

41:57

like that. I like that.

41:59

I like that. Yeah,

42:00

she just did it by too and what would I do

42:02

with the body parts?

42:11

So

42:14

it's like um yeah It's

42:20

absolutely the basement out again,

42:24

and um, I know I forgot the head, I

42:26

wanted the head Did you bring

42:28

anything with me? It's in the

42:30

van. What? In the van.

42:38

I think it's a foot. A leg. A

42:40

leg maybe. I'm

42:42

like under real and then like you

42:45

know she's looking on the face like I got

42:47

a baby. I

42:49

got a baby and that's what I did. So it's gonna

42:55

be, it's gonna be a foot or

42:57

a leg in the van.

42:59

And then um,

43:02

yeah. What did you do with the head?

43:03

I forgot I was out in the van for a long time.

43:06

Well you do with the head. But hey I put it

43:08

in that bucket. That's black puppy. Black bucket?

43:11

With um, slime down top. Okay.

43:14

Uh, I mean we're just, we're just leaving.

43:18

Lees ahead? Head's still

43:20

in the bucket. It's right by the stairs.

43:23

By the stairs? But

43:30

when did you see it?

43:33

You know cutting up his body. I

43:35

don't know like almost right away I was sucking

43:37

and cutting down the center. I

43:40

want to help the rest of his body parts. Did that take all

43:42

day? Did you?

43:48

Did it take a long time to go up?

43:50

Yeah it was just like I was nodding down. I

43:53

can see you're kind of sitting and cutting

43:55

on in and out. Got you kicking any of the joints?

43:58

Should've, I feel like it was gross.

44:00

Do you remember the

44:04

daylight at all? Yeah,

44:07

when I looked at the window and I think the daylight. Was

44:14

the body together still there? Yeah,

44:16

it was still there. I

44:18

had a phone call for that throughout with my

44:20

phone.

44:22

So it took a while to cut

44:24

the rest of the body out?

44:27

All messed up too. So,

44:30

thank you. I

44:34

grind it on, I put the dick in his

44:36

eyes. You grind it on?

44:38

Yeah, I grind it on.

44:40

Did you ever put his person here with

44:42

you either?

44:44

What did you say about him?

44:48

Yeah, if he can be ordered to

44:51

perform to all of him, what

44:53

kind of house do you use that? Yeah, no,

44:56

no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It

44:59

was just like that. It was part of a lot of the

45:01

house to put things on. Yeah. Okay.

45:10

And was that part of playing with him or? That

45:13

is part of playing with him. That is part of playing with

45:15

him.

45:16

Did you? Actually, I was just a mess.

45:19

I was just ever in a mess. I was doing too.

45:22

It was so vile. It was just so vile.

45:25

Yeah. God. The

45:27

way she's so... She's just talking about

45:29

it so nonchalantly too. Yeah. It's disgusting.

45:32

She's

45:33

talking about how she should have done more drugs

45:35

during it too. It's just like, what?

45:38

What is going through your mind right now? So

45:41

it's obvious too that by the next morning when

45:43

this interrogation is taking place, she's like,

45:45

come off the drugs at that point. At least off

45:47

the high of them. This was a controversial

45:50

point in the trial. The

45:52

defense made the argument that

45:54

she's still on drugs during these interviews.

45:57

Because it's in her system. But it is, I mean,

45:59

this has been... quite a while after,

46:01

and the interview process did

46:04

take like six hours, so

46:06

there's argument both ways if

46:09

she's still under the influence or not. I don't

46:11

know, that seems like a weak argument to me. I mean, she's

46:13

very lucid, and for

46:15

somebody who claims to have blacked out, she

46:18

clearly remembers everything that she did down to

46:20

the details. Yeah, the judge uses

46:22

that exact terminology, lucid, during

46:24

that. So it's like, even if she is on

46:27

drugs, she's still very coherent and lucid

46:29

and knows what she's saying, right? But

46:32

because there was a lot of back and forth, if you wanna go

46:34

check out the footage of the interviews,

46:37

help yourself, it's very long, there's a lot of footage,

46:39

so we just took some of the core elements,

46:42

but I'll basically sum up her confession

46:45

in chronological order just to help everybody

46:47

out. She's basically reenacting

46:49

Jeffrey Dahmer. Yes, yeah, exactly.

46:53

And the fact that she wanted the head, too, isn't that

46:55

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46:57

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48:43

So Chad and

48:46

Taylor, they went down

48:48

to his mother's basement to hook up. They

48:51

put a dog's choke chain around

48:53

Chad's neck while she choked him and performed

48:55

sexual acts. Once she started to

48:57

see that he was dying, she claimed

49:00

that she found it satisfying, so she continued

49:02

to choke him. He even tried

49:04

to resist and fight back at one point, but

49:06

she kept on choking him. She admitted

49:09

that she was excited because she could feel his heartbeat

49:11

slowing, and it took about three to five

49:14

minutes to kill Chad. She

49:16

then sexually assaulted his body,

49:19

performing oral sex and using the dildo

49:21

on him, she claims, all while

49:23

mutilating his corpse as well. She

49:26

then used a blue storage container that she

49:28

had found in the basement to collect the blood

49:30

as she dismembered the body with several

49:32

kitchen knives that she had found upstairs.

49:35

If you remember when they made

49:38

that phone call to police, they even mentioned that she

49:40

had come upstairs a few times because they

49:42

thought she was using the restroom, but it

49:44

was more likely that she was grabbing the

49:47

kitchen knives to dismember Chad's

49:49

body.

49:50

She then emptied the blood down the basement drain,

49:53

which was near a shower. While dismembering

49:55

the rest of the body, she claimed she had dozed off

49:58

several times from the drug use. but

50:00

still continued to perform sexual acts.

50:04

She then used bags and boxes around the basement

50:06

and she found to store his body parts in.

50:08

The plan was to bring all the body parts with her

50:11

but somewhere along the way she

50:14

became quote lazy and paranoid

50:16

she said and she forgot

50:18

the head. She placed Chad's head

50:20

in the bucket to save it for later but

50:24

she only in the end she only ended up taking his

50:26

left leg, his left thigh

50:28

and his right thigh that she stored

50:31

in that crock pot box that the police

50:33

even saw in the back of her van or

50:35

her roommate's van. And this entire

50:38

time she most likely had meth

50:40

weed and tresidone in her system and

50:42

like I said earlier there's still some arguments

50:44

whether she was under the influence or not during

50:47

these police interviews but I

50:49

think we can both agree on she's very lucid. Sounds

50:52

like she knows what she's saying. She sounds

50:55

maybe a bit stupid but she

50:59

doesn't sound incoherent. No

51:01

and she's having emotional reactions

51:03

to them. Definitely not in remorseful way.

51:06

But she's like laughing and

51:08

acting like she enjoyed it. Yeah

51:11

she's bummed that she forgot the body parts.

51:13

She was like oh I forgot that like she's

51:15

bummed about that so very sick.

51:19

But after the interview Taylor was taken to the hospital

51:21

to get stitches for self-inflicted wounds on

51:23

her hands where she accidentally cut herself while

51:26

dismembering Chad. Back at the station

51:28

she answered a few more questions to confirm

51:30

what she had previously told them and

51:32

then the officers told her she was going to jail which

51:35

somehow surprised her. In

51:37

response to her surprise a detective then

51:40

asked her a hypothetical question.

51:42

He asked that shouldn't a person

51:44

who murdered and dismembered someone go to

51:46

jail and Taylor responded oh fuck

51:49

yeah yeah that shit is fucked

51:51

up so like I don't even know like

51:54

goddamn. During the

51:56

interviews investigators were searching for shad's remains

51:58

in the basement of his mother's house. Blood

52:00

stains were found on a pillow, the mattress,

52:02

and underneath the bed where it looked like it had been cleaned

52:05

up. They also found blood near the shower

52:07

drain, which also had signs of cleaning. Near

52:10

a Pac-Man arcade machine, investigators found

52:12

a dog choke collar, and inside a box

52:14

and a wood cabinet against the wall, they found a flesh-covered

52:17

dildo. The dildo was later tested

52:19

for Shad's DNA, but the results came back inconclusive.

52:23

After searching through the 5 gallon bucket, they discovered that

52:25

Shad's head and blood weren't the only things inside.

52:28

There

52:28

was also a kitchen steak knife, a pocket

52:30

knife,

52:31

a jelly rancher, a metal nail, a

52:33

shaving razor, and Shad's

52:36

genitals. Detectives also found

52:38

body parts inside a pink and black underarm

52:40

or backpack, and some of the parts were wrapped

52:42

in plastic shopping bags, but others

52:45

weren't. They also found body parts in a

52:47

blue storage bin on the floor covered with a

52:49

blanket and clothes. Inside

52:51

was a carving knife and several organs.

52:54

Shad's upper torso, along with his arms that were still

52:56

attached, were also found inside the storage

52:58

bin. Other body parts were also found

53:00

in a blue duffel bag on a dresser in the basement.

53:04

Beside the bag were bloody Lysol wipes that looked like they

53:06

had been used to clean up the crime scene, and next

53:08

to the wipes were three kitchen knives.

53:11

One of the kitchen knives had once been serrated,

53:13

but it was now dull. The paring knife

53:15

was bent, and the steak knife's tip was

53:18

broken. The metal tip was later

53:20

found inside one of the body parts, and

53:22

on the same dresser, they found another dog

53:24

choke chain. Beside it was a glass

53:26

pipe and a bag with 21 grams of meth

53:28

inside. When medical examiner

53:30

Dr. Vincent Trincheta later inspected

53:33

the head, he noticed physical signs of strangulation,

53:35

including injury to the neck muscles and

53:38

blood vessels in the face. There

53:40

were also chain impressions found on the tongue. As

53:42

for the torso, he discovered the backwoods flayed

53:45

and deflashed. The skin and muscles

53:47

were so damaged that the rib cage was visible.

53:49

The only things that investigators couldn't find were

53:52

both thighs and the left leg. So

53:54

now they continued their search in the van Taylor

53:56

had been driving, which was now impounded at

53:59

the police garage. It

54:01

didn't take them very long after searching again that

54:03

they immediately discovered both of

54:05

Shad's thighs and his left leg inside that

54:08

crock pot box in the passenger seat.

54:11

On March 1st, 2022 they charged

54:13

Taylor with first degree murder, third degree

54:15

sexual assault, and mutilating a corpse. After

54:18

being charged she had a bond hearing and requested

54:20

a lawyer. It was mentioned that she had previously

54:22

removed her ankle monitor and she was a potential

54:24

flight risk to Texas where her son

54:26

was, so she was being held on the $2 million

54:29

cash bond. She was then

54:31

given the choice of two public defense attorneys,

54:33

Quinn Jolly and Heather Richmond. Quinn

54:36

quickly requested a competency evaluation

54:38

for Taylor since she struggled with choosing a lawyer and

54:41

understanding in the court processes. Judge

54:43

Thomas Walsh later approved her competency

54:45

evaluation. Heather Richmond later

54:47

dropped out of the case and Quinn Jolly was left as Taylor's

54:50

only option for a defense attorney. At

54:52

a mental health facility Taylor was evaluated by a

54:54

state psychologist and she was deemed competent

54:57

to stand trial. But this was

54:59

only the beginning of several more evaluations

55:01

that Taylor would need over the next several months.

55:04

Another psychiatrist, chosen by the defense acknowledged

55:06

that Taylor had substance abuse problems but

55:08

also agreed that she was competent.

55:12

Defense attorneys then tried to have Taylor's statements at the time

55:14

of her arrest thrown out arguing

55:16

that she was still under the influence of drugs at the time.

55:19

They also tried to get the sexual assault charges dropped

55:21

arguing that the deceased had already had his genitals

55:24

dismembered but the judge denied

55:26

the motion. Several more hearings were

55:28

held over the next several months but even

55:30

while incarcerated Taylor's dreams

55:32

behavior stayed the same. During

55:34

one hearing a judge announced that he would push back Taylor's

55:37

trial date. Taylor then stood

55:39

up and attacked her own defense

55:41

attorney. Luckily her hands

55:43

were handcuffed but she was able to throw an elbow

55:46

several times. A sheriff's deputy

55:48

then wrestled her to the ground with some help and

55:51

they even had to evacuate the courtroom

55:53

soon after. risk

56:00

was I guess she had gotten her foot inside

56:03

the sheriff's belt

56:05

like where possibly where his holster was

56:08

so

56:08

some

56:09

think that she was actually trying to go for

56:11

its firearm or something like that so it

56:14

was actually a big issue yeah

56:16

she's just unhinged

56:19

right and this is when she's sober

56:21

right as far as we know this is when she's

56:24

sober and you think

56:26

it's a an attempt to try

56:28

and seem insane that's a great

56:30

point yep that's exactly what I thought too just

56:32

randomly freak out mm-hmm it's

56:35

a good show I mean this poor defense

56:37

attorney I mean he's like hell man I'm trying

56:39

to help you and you're over here attacking me right and

56:42

soon after this he was removed as

56:45

her attorney and replaced by Christopher Froehleek

56:48

her trial was later set to begin in July 2023 and the defense

56:51

argued that Taylor deserved another competency

56:53

hearing since the last one was eight months ago and

56:56

the murder had occurred more than a year ago another

56:59

competency hearing was granted by Judge Thomas Walsh

57:01

the defense appointed forensic psychologist dr.

57:04

Diane Litton tried to interview Taylor

57:06

three times but she refused to talk and

57:09

at one point during one of those evaluations

57:11

Taylor even threw a plastic chair

57:13

at her but after months Diane

57:15

was finally able to sit down and speak with her she

57:18

later testified that Taylor quote-unquote showed

57:20

signs of an active psychotic disorder

57:23

and was not confident for trial but

57:25

then a court ordered psychologist dr. Matthew

57:28

Seibel testified that Taylor was confident

57:31

which this is like so confusing why

57:33

are they going back and forth yeah I think

57:35

the defense is really trying to get

57:37

her they're just like keep sending them in

57:39

until somebody says that she's not competent

57:42

in syndrome I mean what other strategy

57:44

do they have in this yeah other

57:46

than so clearly she's guilty so I think they're just

57:48

grasping for this this is their last

57:51

shot but luckily

57:53

the court finally proceeded

57:55

with jury selection and

57:57

moved forward with the trial

57:59

Taylor's trial began on July 24th, 2023

58:03

and she submitted two pleas of not guilty

58:05

and not guilty by reason of mental

58:07

disease or defect. We're

58:09

going to go ahead and play some moments from the trial because

58:12

this is a pretty extensive

58:14

trial so we just found some sort

58:17

of highlight clips from it to show you to

58:19

kind of give you a good sense of what

58:21

that was like.

58:24

That's how she put it. I found my son's head in

58:26

a bucket.

58:27

So I'm dumbfounded. Didn't

58:31

believe her. Thought

58:34

she was having a mental

58:37

issue or something. She'd go downstairs

58:40

and see what the hell she's talking about and

58:43

I can't see anything. So we

58:47

go back upstairs and contemplate what the

58:49

heck to do.

58:51

So I guess what do you do

58:53

specifically when you go downstairs?

58:55

I went to the basement and

58:58

observed the bucket that she said

59:01

but I don't know. My mind blocked it out

59:03

about how I seen this like hair

59:06

like an animal or something. I didn't know what the heck.

59:09

So this next one is the medical

59:12

examiner testimony.

59:14

Had you ever seen anything like this before in your

59:16

experience?

59:18

I have seen mutilation

59:21

but nothing to this

59:23

extent before. Ever saw a head

59:25

in a bucket, correct? Correct.

59:28

After you looked at the bucket and the contents

59:30

of the bucket, did you pronounce death then or? Yes.

59:34

What was the time of death? I would

59:36

have to check my report. Was

59:38

it sometime after 11am? Yes.

59:43

Did you know of any other concerns

59:46

that were in the basement after you looked at the bucket?

59:49

I was notified

59:51

that

59:53

they suspected that they were human remains in

59:55

other receptacles or

59:58

other containers within the basement.

1:00:01

So

1:00:01

this next clip is

1:00:03

a this just shows you how

1:00:05

on a hinge Taylor is she

1:00:07

actually starts laughing during this one

1:00:10

while Alexander Gannon is testifying.

1:00:14

Basically I went over to the apartments

1:00:17

and when

1:00:22

specifically when I got

1:00:24

there I was we

1:00:26

were just chilling

1:00:27

chopping it up

1:00:29

like how we always do

1:00:31

and

1:00:33

basically

1:00:34

I

1:00:36

was like Taylor

1:00:39

was thinking asking like do you want to hang out

1:00:41

with Shad? She was asking me like

1:00:44

for consent to hang out with Shad like

1:00:46

to bring him over and I was like yeah that's fine

1:00:48

that's cool.

1:00:50

And so

1:00:52

could I stop you right there I'm sorry I just have

1:00:54

a quick question. So when

1:00:57

you were said you were at the apartment which

1:00:59

apartment is this? The Eastman

1:01:01

the Meadowview East apartments. Is that kind

1:01:04

of where you thought Taylor was staying or whose

1:01:06

apartment was it? It was all it

1:01:09

was the same apartments that

1:01:13

I lived there

1:01:15

so it

1:01:18

was like

1:01:20

I'm sorry what? Sure so

1:01:22

the apartment is on Eastman that you're talking about?

1:01:25

Yeah okay and I'm sorry I interrupted

1:01:27

you were with

1:01:29

Taylor and then she brought up hanging out with Shad.

1:01:33

I don't know a strange choice of words

1:01:35

he says chopping it up as in like hanging

1:01:38

out and I don't know if he was trying to get a rise

1:01:40

out of her or something because he almost I've

1:01:42

seen that clip like three times by now but

1:01:44

he almost kind of looks over at her like

1:01:47

yeah smirking a little bit when he says that

1:01:49

it's like they clearly Taylor thought it was funny. This

1:01:54

next one's detective David Graff's

1:01:56

testimony he was also

1:01:58

the main interrogator.

1:01:59

that we saw earlier.

1:02:02

Yes, she stated that she used knives

1:02:05

that she obtained from the kitchen of the residence.

1:02:08

Was she able to describe

1:02:10

to you where those knives would be located in the basement?

1:02:13

Yes, she described that the knives would be

1:02:16

in the same package

1:02:18

or the bags that

1:02:20

the body parts were also located.

1:02:22

And again, is that consistent with what investigators

1:02:25

were finding unseen? Yes.

1:02:28

In addition to the dismemberment, did

1:02:30

Ms. Shabizniz discuss

1:02:32

with you anything else that she did with Chad's

1:02:35

body after she had killed him?

1:02:36

Yes, she did. And what was that?

1:02:39

She described how she had

1:02:41

sexual contact with the body

1:02:44

in terms of playing

1:02:48

with his penis.

1:02:49

Also, she described that she had a

1:02:52

dildo that she placed into

1:02:55

Chad's mouth and to his

1:02:57

anus. And that she

1:02:59

also

1:03:01

had cuddled the body.

1:03:03

Did she discuss performing oral sex

1:03:05

on Chad? That's correct. Did

1:03:08

she indicate about how long she had

1:03:11

cuddled or played with Chad's body? She

1:03:15

indicated that it was

1:03:18

not exactly to call how long of a period

1:03:21

of time, but there was a period of time, I believe,

1:03:25

shortly before and

1:03:28

or after the start

1:03:30

of dismemberment. Did

1:03:34

she discuss with you what her intention

1:03:36

was with respect to Chad's head? One

1:03:40

of the first things that she did say was that she

1:03:43

did like the head and that

1:03:45

it was her intent

1:03:47

to take the head as well

1:03:50

as the genitalia that was in the bucket with

1:03:53

her. That's why she specifically

1:03:55

placed those items in the bucket. But

1:03:58

she did mention that she. had

1:04:01

left the bucket by

1:04:03

the stairs

1:04:06

and I don't know if she intentionally wanted

1:04:09

to do that but there was talk that there was

1:04:11

her intent to take the head and the

1:04:13

John Taylor with her.

1:04:15

So moving on we're gonna play a clip of Taylor's

1:04:18

father

1:04:19

Arturo

1:04:20

testifying. To give a little context

1:04:23

you'll see that her father is in

1:04:26

an orange jumpsuit and handcuffs. Just

1:04:29

a note he was incarcerated

1:04:31

in 2018 after he was found guilty

1:04:33

of second-degree sexual assault of a child

1:04:36

under the age of 16 and he was sentenced

1:04:38

to 12 years in prison and 18 years of supervision. So

1:04:44

before the baby was born

1:04:46

was she placed

1:04:49

at Nicolay Psychiatric Center?

1:04:52

Before the baby was born? Yeah.

1:04:55

Possibly. Did you see

1:04:57

her at the Nicolay Psychiatric

1:04:59

Center? Oh yeah I'm sorry it's just

1:05:02

so much going on. It's through Brown County. Yeah I

1:05:04

went to take her there myself

1:05:07

actually. Okay. Why did you take her there? She

1:05:09

just wasn't in the right state of mind. Was

1:05:12

she suicidal?

1:05:13

I

1:05:14

probably. Was she psychotic?

1:05:18

I don't think this one has the ability to

1:05:20

answer that question. Rephrase

1:05:23

the question. Okay. Was she experiencing

1:05:28

like hallucination? She just yeah she wasn't

1:05:30

she was not in a right state of mind at all. So

1:05:33

I feared that she would hurt herself so that's why I

1:05:35

took her out. We both agreed. We both went there

1:05:37

together and tried to get

1:05:39

help and then

1:05:41

ended up releasing

1:05:45

her and she came home and that

1:05:48

was about it. Okay. Was she

1:05:50

prescribed some medications and things like that? She

1:05:54

was at that evening no

1:05:58

but yeah she has been on so. medications

1:06:00

that she didn't she'd never like taking

1:06:02

those pills I mean they kind of

1:06:04

mess her up even worse and they caused

1:06:07

her to hallucinate or cause her to have I

1:06:09

think it all started with a seracol

1:06:11

that was taken you know back you

1:06:13

know I don't understand

1:06:16

too much about those prescription drugs

1:06:18

but they never agreed with her at all and

1:06:21

do you know the other medications that she was

1:06:24

asked to take ADHD

1:06:27

at her own I believe anything

1:06:31

about held held all I don't

1:06:33

know but I know she was prescribed some

1:06:35

stuff but I don't know the names did

1:06:38

you talk to some of the doctors

1:06:40

or psychiatrists at the Nicolay psychiatric

1:06:43

facility I'm gonna object I

1:06:46

think this witness can offer his observations

1:06:48

and the facts that he's aware of from what

1:06:51

he observed a mission business with

1:06:53

respect to what he learned from doctors

1:06:55

about her mental health conditions we have

1:06:57

professionals who are going to answer questions based

1:06:59

on them on the records those people are better

1:07:02

to answer those questions the information

1:07:04

he received from doctors is here say it's

1:07:07

not here say I didn't ask what they said I just

1:07:09

asked if you talked to the doctor jar here so

1:07:12

the question that's pending isn't asking

1:07:14

for hearsay I think the objection was

1:07:16

made because it sounds like that's where we're headed so

1:07:20

you can answer the question that was just asked and

1:07:22

then I'll just indicate mr. Fairlake that

1:07:24

objection is probably coming if you go the

1:07:27

next step but the question that's pending

1:07:29

can be answered so I think the question was

1:07:31

did you talk to anybody at Nicolay I

1:07:34

did ask another question

1:07:36

okay

1:07:39

did Taylor look Taylor live with you in

1:07:42

in Green Bay for a while for a little bit yeah

1:07:44

was that in 2021 or what year was it I

1:07:46

believe so yeah but again speaking

1:07:49

to them and you know her being an adult

1:07:52

they really

1:07:54

even be an author weren't allowed to

1:07:56

disclose anything right

1:07:59

you know

1:07:59

sure

1:07:59

When she lived with

1:08:02

you, sir, what address did she

1:08:04

live with you at? 1130 Moraine Way. And

1:08:08

how long did she live with you? Just a

1:08:10

few months. Did you

1:08:12

ever come to a point where you didn't

1:08:14

want her to stay there anymore because her behaviors

1:08:17

were getting worse or

1:08:19

her mental status was

1:08:21

getting worse? No, I love my daughter.

1:08:24

So I do whatever it takes to help her out. Did

1:08:28

you ever review any of her records

1:08:31

at all? Objection. I

1:08:33

don't think he can testify the content. Again,

1:08:35

I think it's the same objection. He

1:08:38

can answer whether you reviewed them. He can't

1:08:40

answer anything about the content of the records. Your Honor,

1:08:42

what they're trying to do is they're trying to anticipate

1:08:45

an objection. They know this one is not an

1:08:47

objectionable one, in my opinion. And

1:08:50

any good parent, when you go to the doctor, you're

1:08:52

going to talk with the physician or

1:08:54

the psychologist or whoever it is about

1:08:58

the status of your child. So I'm just asking

1:09:00

that. It's not like I didn't try. I try to

1:09:02

talk with her. Wait. So

1:09:05

I'm going to overrule the objection

1:09:07

at this point and the question

1:09:09

can be asked. Mr. Freilich,

1:09:11

why don't you ask it again so that the witness has

1:09:13

it in his mind? Okay, Your Honor. Kind of

1:09:15

forgot, so hopefully the... If you reviewed some

1:09:17

of the records of your daughter, did

1:09:20

you review any of the records? Like at

1:09:22

the facility? Yes. Again,

1:09:26

she was an adult at the time and I can't, you

1:09:29

know. Yeah, she was. She

1:09:32

was. Okay. When

1:09:34

she was living at

1:09:36

your house, sir, on Moraine Way, was

1:09:39

she ever experiencing or experiencing

1:09:43

any hallucinations or anything like that? Yeah.

1:09:48

Can you tell me about that? Just

1:09:51

know that she wasn't in the right frame of mind, you know. She's

1:09:53

going to kind of see things. She'd like to walk around

1:09:56

and, you know, we take a walk, the

1:09:58

cemetery, just right down the street.

1:09:59

But she

1:10:03

just needed, you know, just to kind of get out and

1:10:06

walk around and I guess

1:10:09

ease her mind.

1:10:12

You'd see a lot of objections being thrown

1:10:15

when they want to talk about her mental health

1:10:17

with people who aren't professionals, you know, which I

1:10:19

think is interesting. And

1:10:21

also this is a good reflection of... Well,

1:10:25

again, I think her defense

1:10:27

attorney is really trying to, you

1:10:31

know, point out that

1:10:34

she's been mentally ill for a long time. And

1:10:37

it's pretty serious,

1:10:39

especially based on the drug she's been prescribed.

1:10:43

So I think he's really...I mean, he's clearly leaning into

1:10:45

that defense for her. And

1:10:47

at the same time, it's kind of a reflection

1:10:49

of how little her dad

1:10:52

knew about what was going on. Who

1:10:55

knows? I can't really say

1:10:57

how little he was involved with it.

1:11:00

But it sounds like...I don't

1:11:03

know. He's

1:11:05

just like, oh, she wasn't in the right frame

1:11:07

of mind. And that's the extent of his

1:11:09

understanding. I can

1:11:11

get that

1:11:12

just from...I've

1:11:13

never even met the woman, but I can know that

1:11:15

she's not in the right frame of mind for a lot of this.

1:11:18

Even just sitting here, like

1:11:20

even just watching her sit there, you

1:11:22

can kind of see she's making these weird

1:11:25

smirks and she seems a little

1:11:27

dazed and stuff. But yeah,

1:11:30

it seems like he just didn't know what was going

1:11:32

on. So I wonder if her support system through

1:11:34

her family wasn't that great either. This

1:11:37

last one, this

1:11:39

is about her drug

1:11:41

use, especially with her husband. And

1:11:43

this is also her father speaking.

1:11:48

Yeah, and she was doing really well there too until

1:11:51

her boyfriend slash

1:11:53

husband

1:11:54

got out of jail. That turned everything

1:11:56

upside down. In part

1:11:58

because of the methamphetamine use.

1:11:59

right? Yep.

1:12:01

So Taylor was doing pretty

1:12:03

well and then she started using the drugs. No

1:12:10

further questions. Pretty bad drug too. Anything

1:12:13

on that Mr. Freilich?

1:12:16

What was the drug? Meth,

1:12:19

heroin, whatever else. I don't know.

1:12:24

No. I don't know. The kid was already

1:12:26

doing that shit before and just

1:12:31

a fucking loser and he got my daughter involved in that shit.

1:12:34

Thank you sir.

1:12:36

Nothing else. So

1:12:39

after only a three-day trial and 30

1:12:41

minutes of deliberation, the jury

1:12:43

found Taylor's business

1:12:45

guilty on all counts.

1:12:48

So for the next phase, it was the responsibility

1:12:51

phase of the trial and a defense psychologist

1:12:53

claimed that she business was not criminally

1:12:55

responsible for her actions because she had

1:12:58

a severe bipolar disorder. He

1:13:00

also argued that this disorder rendered

1:13:02

her unable to appreciate the wrongfulness

1:13:05

of her actions and deprived her

1:13:07

of volitional control. But

1:13:11

two court-appointed psychologists who

1:13:13

testified for the state said her actions were

1:13:15

fueled by drugs which made her ineligible

1:13:17

for the insanity plea under Wisconsin's

1:13:20

definition of a mental disease

1:13:22

or defect. They also

1:13:24

referenced her acts of one

1:13:26

dismembering Shad's body and cleaning the

1:13:28

basement crime scene as evidence

1:13:30

that she knew what she was doing was wrong. I agree

1:13:33

with that. I think that does show

1:13:35

she knows I got to hide this. I got to

1:13:37

clean it up. Right. Yep.

1:13:40

There was evidence you know by the mattress,

1:13:42

there was also evidence of cleaning near the

1:13:44

shower drain. The Lysol wipes. Yep. The

1:13:46

Lysol wipes that were there that were used.

1:13:49

Taylor's attorney argued that the drugs may

1:13:52

have compounded her psychosis and there was enough

1:13:54

evidence that she suffered from a long-standing disorder

1:13:56

affecting her actions.

1:13:59

talking about,

1:14:01

which seems to be the angle that the defense was trying

1:14:03

to dig their heels into. But in the

1:14:05

end, after the jury deliberated

1:14:08

for an hour, they returned a

1:14:10

unanimous verdict that Taylor did not have

1:14:12

a mental disease or defect at the time of the murder

1:14:14

that impacted her knowing right from

1:14:17

wrong. And so

1:14:19

then she went on to her sentencing. Well,

1:14:23

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1:15:34

On September 26, 2023, she appeared in court for her sentencing. She'd

1:15:39

actually spit on inmates during her time

1:15:41

in jail. So in this footage, you're about

1:15:43

to see she's wearing a spit guard

1:15:45

in court. To try and not

1:15:47

get Taylor the maximum sentence, Taylor's attorney

1:15:49

brought forth two of Taylor's family

1:15:52

members to make final statements, Taylor's grandmother

1:15:54

who is in the process of adopting Taylor's son,

1:15:57

and Taylor's father who is currently incarcerated.

1:16:00

Taylor's father emphasized that her behavior was affected

1:16:02

by drug abuse and that the system

1:16:04

had failed her. The defense also brought

1:16:07

a toxicologist James O'Donnell

1:16:09

to the stand to explain how excessive drug abuse

1:16:12

affected Taylor of the years and on the

1:16:14

night of the murder. Let's

1:16:16

take a look at those clips.

1:16:19

Methamphetamine is highly addictive, is

1:16:21

that fair? Extremely highly

1:16:23

addictive for one of the most addictive drugs

1:16:25

that we know.

1:16:31

Based on your training and experience and

1:16:33

knowledge, can

1:16:36

methamphetamine use cause

1:16:39

hallucinations, visual or

1:16:42

auditory?

1:16:43

Yes, both the form,

1:16:46

it's taken cause

1:16:48

a form of drug-induced psychosis.

1:16:52

What is psychosis?

1:16:53

Psychosis, the easiest way to describe

1:16:55

it is a loss of touch with the

1:16:58

reality.

1:16:59

Delusion?

1:17:00

Delusions includes

1:17:03

hallucinations,

1:17:07

just the loss of touch. What

1:17:10

they do makes no sense. What

1:17:12

they say makes no sense.

1:17:15

They're not reasoned with.

1:17:19

To use an old term, they're out of it. Just

1:17:22

before she was sentenced, there were two

1:17:24

impact statements made by the court. Here

1:17:27

are two clips. One is of Shad's

1:17:29

uncle and the other one is Shad's

1:17:31

father who are both speaking to

1:17:34

Taylor.

1:17:36

Taylor, I just wanted to say that

1:17:38

I forgive

1:17:41

you for what you've done to my son. Yeah,

1:17:49

he made a bad choice and

1:17:51

now you have to live with it.

1:17:55

You know, I'm gonna miss Shad. He

1:17:58

was a wonderful child too. growing

1:18:00

up just mild mannered and just happy

1:18:03

and and I

1:18:05

know he made a bad choice and and

1:18:09

like I said I forgive you and and I'm gonna

1:18:14

ask just if you can you know if she can

1:18:16

see the streets again sometime you know it

1:18:19

may not be soon but

1:18:23

I believe I believe everybody

1:18:27

makes bad choices and maybe not to the scale

1:18:30

but I

1:18:33

think there's a lot of hope for you I think

1:18:36

you know you can make use of your time and be a better

1:18:38

person and

1:18:42

do great things yet you know so it

1:18:48

does no good for me to hate you you know I

1:18:53

know I know you got a heart I know you got

1:18:55

a mind and

1:18:59

I wish you no harm and I hope

1:19:01

things I hope

1:19:03

things go well for you that's

1:19:07

all I got to say.

1:19:09

Wow,

1:19:10

isn't that incredible? Wow,

1:19:13

that is that takes a lot of of guts

1:19:17

to get there and have that mindset.

1:19:21

It's so powerful not letting hate

1:19:23

and anger consume you like that he seems pretty

1:19:26

level-headed and I think I

1:19:28

do think it's wishful thinking though yeah

1:19:30

I'm not understands with good

1:19:33

intent but I don't I

1:19:35

don't I don't see any bit of remorse

1:19:38

in her eyes at all yeah I don't I wouldn't want

1:19:40

to see her back out of I wouldn't either but

1:19:42

I do like the sentiment and

1:19:44

just that level of Zen that

1:19:46

he holds because I couldn't imagine

1:19:49

the thoughts that would be going through my brain

1:19:51

if I were in his shoes I don't think I could ever get

1:19:53

to that and this this

1:19:55

next sentiment through Shad's

1:19:57

uncle I think a lot of people will also rest

1:19:59

me with.

1:20:02

Basically just wanted to say that there's no

1:20:05

excuse for

1:20:06

what you've done. I don't care if it's drugs

1:20:09

or upbringing. You know,

1:20:12

we all go through hard times growing up

1:20:15

at least a majority of us have. You

1:20:19

have the opportunity to change that. You

1:20:21

have the opportunity to, you know, see

1:20:23

that you have a problem.

1:20:26

There's, you know, I better recover and you live over

1:20:28

three years. In

1:20:31

AA, I drank for 41 years.

1:20:34

I realized I had a problem.

1:20:39

So there's just

1:20:41

basically to me, you took an easy

1:20:43

way out. That's all. You

1:20:46

get the most

1:20:47

cowardly weakest language that

1:20:49

you can do possibly.

1:20:52

You meet a person in school,

1:20:55

you say, is your friend, you become friends, you

1:20:58

got the girlfriend, boyfriend, others.

1:21:01

Gain is trust. The

1:21:03

innocent person that's very kind would

1:21:06

do anything for you. And

1:21:08

I believe you use that

1:21:11

and you have this plan.

1:21:12

It took your opportunity when you did. There's

1:21:15

no excuse, you know, I don't see it no

1:21:17

other way. You take

1:21:20

advantage of someone's kindness like that.

1:21:24

That's like the most

1:21:25

stuck poop can make thin women feel

1:21:27

plus sized to have the best

1:21:29

stuff with your life. You don't need fiber. Right.

1:21:31

Don't

1:21:32

have to sit in some fucking

1:21:34

house. YouTube really doesn't know how to curate

1:21:37

their heads. You go back a little bit.

1:21:44

If I had your someone's kindness like

1:21:46

that, that's

1:21:48

what the most irritating thing can

1:21:52

you get the notice of the letter, they trust you

1:21:54

and then you do that. Say that

1:21:57

you say that you're a friend, you're his friend.

1:21:59

You said that.

1:21:59

statements, it's like,

1:22:01

man. But

1:22:04

you know, I

1:22:06

walked into a program and it's free. You

1:22:09

know, you can go to hell and it's free all

1:22:11

over the place there's help. And

1:22:14

it doesn't cost a dime, you know.

1:22:18

It's either, and the first thing they tell you,

1:22:20

you know, you want to continue doing what you're doing.

1:22:23

It's going to be jails, institution or death.

1:22:27

And you chose that path and you chose the wrong

1:22:29

path.

1:22:30

They sit here talking about being rehabilitated.

1:22:35

Is Shadd's mother going

1:22:37

to ever rehabilitate from this?

1:22:39

No, but you can go to an institution, you can

1:22:41

go to a prison and I didn't

1:22:43

really keep it belated. But

1:22:46

I don't see no reason why you have parole

1:22:48

after the doctor had just mentioned

1:22:51

once you have so much damage that it's irreversible,

1:22:55

you know, survival. Don't

1:22:58

make no sense to me even to have the option

1:23:00

of parole to come back and again

1:23:03

someone's trust like that again. Because

1:23:05

that is like the lowest thing

1:23:08

you could do. You know

1:23:10

what I mean? I just don't understand that.

1:23:13

And the biggest thing is, you know, it,

1:23:17

like I said, you know, the help is free.

1:23:19

It's there. You chose

1:23:21

not to take, you know, I'm sure you knew you had

1:23:23

a problem,

1:23:25

you know,

1:23:26

you can't blame it on childhood. You

1:23:29

know, there's help out there. And if you

1:23:31

take the path to go and get the help, you

1:23:34

wouldn't be in this situation right now. None of us

1:23:36

would be in this situation. But to take the cowardly

1:23:38

path that you did and to

1:23:40

make other people suffer because you

1:23:42

were suffering is

1:23:45

pretty shit. So

1:23:47

that damn killer ship

1:23:49

business fits you well. Now

1:23:52

I'm not a praying band, but

1:23:55

after Judge Walsh's sentences

1:23:58

today, I will

1:23:59

pray that

1:24:01

you meet the same fate as your relationship

1:24:08

business.

1:24:10

I have to say I've resonated more with

1:24:13

Chad's uncle there. Yeah, I

1:24:15

maybe I'm, you know, maybe

1:24:17

that says something about

1:24:18

my character but

1:24:20

I think cathartically I that

1:24:23

resonates more with me but I wish I

1:24:25

could tap into whatever his

1:24:27

dad was getting on.

1:24:31

Again, I don't think any of us can really

1:24:33

say one way or another unless we're in that situation.

1:24:36

Yeah, we would feel so it's just all speculative

1:24:38

but yeah, true.

1:24:40

I just,

1:24:41

you know, from this side, I just couldn't see myself,

1:24:44

especially

1:24:45

with somebody like her

1:24:47

wanting to forgive them.

1:24:49

Yeah, then again, I don't know how

1:24:52

how

1:24:53

you would mentally process that and

1:24:55

how you'd be able to move past it if you didn't forgive.

1:24:58

Yeah, I know.

1:25:01

There's the old Catholic coming through here but

1:25:03

forgiveness like they always said that forgiveness

1:25:06

which who knows maybe his father was

1:25:08

a Catholic Christian man but

1:25:10

they do say forgiveness is more about healing

1:25:13

yourself and it is saying

1:25:16

that everything's okay. You know,

1:25:19

it's not okay, but I forgive

1:25:21

you so that I can heal on my

1:25:23

own personal journey. So maybe

1:25:26

it's more like that but yeah, I have this

1:25:29

case is so rancid.

1:25:33

I can't even I still can't wrap my head around

1:25:35

it and I don't know that

1:25:38

would be so tough to come to terms

1:25:40

with forgiving her but we'll

1:25:42

see in the sentencing will the

1:25:45

judge is interesting in the game because

1:25:47

he's a very soft spoken

1:25:49

judge. Yeah, he is. He seems intelligent

1:25:51

though. I like the way he speaks. He really seems

1:25:54

to have like processed everything that happened

1:25:56

in this case when he goes and makes

1:25:59

his judgment.

1:25:59

statement or Taylor's sentence.

1:26:03

He did ask her if she

1:26:05

wanted to address the

1:26:07

court and she declined, which

1:26:10

to me that says a lot about the person. In

1:26:13

Judge Walsh's final statement, he believed that

1:26:15

Taylor had family members who loved her and

1:26:17

that she truly loved her son and

1:26:19

that her drug use had severely

1:26:21

impacted her life.

1:26:23

I

1:26:24

haven't heard a lot of judges speak

1:26:28

the way that Judge Walsh does. So

1:26:30

let's hear from

1:26:32

Judge Walsh.

1:26:34

I was a little bit

1:26:37

put off by a statement that I read

1:26:39

in the Presentance Investigation Report, frankly

1:26:41

from her father. He

1:26:44

said on page 17 of that report, I feel

1:26:47

like the system could have helped Taylor and

1:26:49

kind of failed her as well.

1:26:52

And I reflected on that because it's

1:26:55

difficult to understand who people refer

1:26:57

to when they say the system fails people.

1:27:00

I'm not going to lie. I'm

1:27:04

pretty exhausted. To

1:27:07

understand who people refer

1:27:09

to when they say

1:27:10

the system fails people. Because

1:27:13

you know what, it's not the job of the system to raise

1:27:16

people's children. The system tries

1:27:18

to do that. The system is not

1:27:20

perfect. Like our fight against methamphetamine is

1:27:22

not perfect, but we carry the fight on. People

1:27:25

in our community get into the system,

1:27:28

be that the court system or the

1:27:30

system dealing with child protection. Really

1:27:33

I think what they're referring to, I don't know,

1:27:35

but it seems to be the government. The government

1:27:38

needs to come in and do more to

1:27:40

take care of people who have gone astray. And I'm

1:27:42

not

1:27:42

sure that that's the case.

1:27:45

Nonetheless, attempts are made. Attempts

1:27:48

are being made in this courthouse every day and

1:27:50

to suggest that somehow it's

1:27:52

the system that failed. It

1:27:55

always surprises me a little bit when people come

1:27:57

into court, they're coming in

1:27:59

and they're orange jumpsuit and

1:28:02

chains to suggest that it's

1:28:04

the system that's failed my daughter. There's

1:28:07

a certain irony in that. There really is. It

1:28:11

disturbed me when I read that piece. Not

1:28:13

so sure it's really relevant to

1:28:15

what should

1:28:19

happen to Miss Shabizzniz, but it was relevant

1:28:21

to what I heard from this

1:28:23

witness here today because I think

1:28:26

the system does the best it can. It's

1:28:28

imperfect and

1:28:30

it has very much to do with the

1:28:32

amount of resources that the public

1:28:35

wants to put into the system. Those

1:28:38

resources are finite. But

1:28:41

as I say, in this building, the

1:28:43

system is doing everything it can

1:28:45

to fight drug use with all of our treatment

1:28:48

courts, with everything we do, to

1:28:50

try to help push back

1:28:53

the plague of drug use

1:28:55

that's occurred and that we've heard so much

1:28:57

about in this case. So

1:29:01

I read

1:29:03

that statement. I heard from Miss

1:29:06

Shabizzniz's father. He

1:29:09

is coming in here to

1:29:12

talk about his daughter who's

1:29:14

also going through the system. And I couldn't help

1:29:16

but think of everything I heard about Miss Shabizzniz's

1:29:19

son because it seems to be

1:29:21

a cycle. It seems to be just a circle. It's

1:29:23

coming around again so

1:29:25

that if he ever finds himself in the situation

1:29:28

that his mother finds himself in, where

1:29:32

she's the only one he's got left to come in and speak

1:29:34

for him, again

1:29:37

I guess it's the system that's done something, but

1:29:40

it all starts frankly at somebody's

1:29:43

home and what they have to offer

1:29:45

to their children. And

1:29:48

so anyways, I reflect on that. But

1:29:50

I'm also convinced that no one is

1:29:52

responsible for where

1:29:55

they come from. But you are

1:29:57

responsible for where you're going. A

1:30:00

lot of tragedy that has occurred in Ms.

1:30:02

Shabizis' life, there really is. I've

1:30:05

already reflected on some of that. And

1:30:07

it almost seems as if you could apply

1:30:10

the phrase, she never had a chance

1:30:12

to

1:30:14

Ms. Shabizis.

1:30:16

But

1:30:18

as I said, you're not responsible for

1:30:21

where you come from, but you are responsible

1:30:24

for the choices you make about where you're going.

1:30:28

But all of those things I reflect on when I consider

1:30:30

the character of this defendant. Next

1:30:33

I move on to the gravity of the offense.

1:30:36

And I sit in this chair

1:30:38

often and I address situations where

1:30:41

people have lost their lives or

1:30:44

people have been violated terribly.

1:30:49

And I always indicate that really

1:30:51

the offense, the offense in this case, can't

1:30:53

be overstated. And

1:30:56

that seems very appropriate to say that in most

1:30:58

cases when there's

1:31:00

been such a death or a violation.

1:31:03

But in this case it seems different.

1:31:06

In this case, you

1:31:08

seem to run out of superlatives when

1:31:10

describing what happened in this case. You really

1:31:13

do. The list of superlatives don't

1:31:15

seem to measure up to what you

1:31:17

see, what you hear about. And

1:31:20

what we heard about in the trial, this

1:31:24

crime offends human

1:31:26

decency, it offends human

1:31:29

dignity, and it offends the human community. It

1:31:31

really does. When someone

1:31:33

loses their life needlessly, it's tragic.

1:31:36

It really is. It's

1:31:38

tragic for family, friends, and community.

1:31:42

When life is taken from

1:31:44

a person in the fashion that

1:31:46

it was in this case, where

1:31:49

the victim's remains are cut up

1:31:51

and packaged in containers, it's

1:31:53

difficult to identify a human nature

1:31:55

in those activities. It really is. It's

1:31:59

very troubling. It's

1:32:01

difficult to recognize the general belonging

1:32:04

that most people have for their community. It's

1:32:06

difficult to recognize community in anything

1:32:08

that happened in this case. This

1:32:11

is a small community that we live in where

1:32:16

the web of relationships almost,

1:32:18

you know, encompass everyone who lives

1:32:21

here such that people look out for each other and care

1:32:26

when something bad happens to one

1:32:28

of our members. And in a broader sense,

1:32:32

the community we exist in is the human community,

1:32:34

as I've reflected on. And these actions

1:32:36

are foreign to all of that community. And

1:32:40

they shock the community beyond the ability

1:32:42

to adequately express in

1:32:45

words. They really do. And

1:32:49

that's the gravity of this events. That is

1:32:51

the gravity of this events. There

1:32:53

aren't superlatives for it. There aren't really

1:32:55

words for it. You can get a

1:32:57

sense of it. You can

1:32:59

get a sense of it, a feel for it. But

1:33:02

there's no really way to express the gravity

1:33:04

of this events. It's

1:33:06

the decision of this court and the judgment of

1:33:08

the law that this should

1:33:10

be sentenced as follows. Has

1:33:13

to, in 22 CF 363,

1:33:18

count one, that's the first degree intentional homicide

1:33:20

as a repeater. It's a class A felony. It's

1:33:23

going to impose life imprisonment without

1:33:25

the possibility of extended supervision. I

1:33:27

believe that's appropriate in light of findings

1:33:30

that I've already made. As

1:33:32

far as count two, mutilation

1:33:34

of a corpse as a repeater, a class F felony,

1:33:37

I'm going to adopt the recommendation of the pre-sentence

1:33:39

investigation writer. 7.5 years

1:33:42

of initial confinement followed by 4 years of extended

1:33:44

supervision. That'll be consecutive to count one.

1:33:48

As far as count three

1:33:50

third degree sexual assault as a repeater,

1:33:53

class G felony. I'm

1:33:56

going to impose three years of initial confinement

1:33:58

followed by four years of extended supervision

1:34:00

that will be consecutive to count two and count

1:34:03

one. As

1:34:05

far as the revocation cases, we're going

1:34:07

to impose one year of incarceration

1:34:09

on each of those counts, those will run concurrent

1:34:12

to the other offenses. I've reviewed, as

1:34:15

I've indicated, I've reviewed both of the pre-cities investigation

1:34:17

reports. There's certainly valuable things in them. I'm

1:34:21

going to, as conditions of supervision,

1:34:23

I'm going to require no contact with the victim's

1:34:26

family. Find

1:34:29

absolute sobriety, complete SOT

1:34:32

assessment and treatment follow through, obtain

1:34:34

and maintain full-time employment. To

1:34:37

the extent there's every supervision, GPS monitoring,

1:34:40

I'm going to require an AOD assessment follow

1:34:42

through, psychological evaluation

1:34:45

and follow through. The recommendations

1:34:47

that are contained in the pre-sentence investigation

1:34:50

reports submitted by the defense indicates

1:34:53

or suggests that there be services engaged

1:34:55

in for substance abuse and

1:34:58

other mental health issues. That's

1:35:00

a reasonable suggestion. I

1:35:02

think I've encompassed it in the recommendations that I've

1:35:04

made, which is there needs to be a compass evaluation

1:35:07

and follow through

1:35:07

with any

1:35:09

treatment recommendations that are proposed. Again,

1:35:11

an AOD assessment and follow through and psychological

1:35:14

evaluation so that Mr. Chib business can

1:35:17

get the help that she needs while

1:35:19

she serves the sentence.

1:35:25

I can't really argue with that sentence.

1:35:26

I don't know if you

1:35:28

can. No. I think that's the...

1:35:31

There's no death penalty in Wisconsin,

1:35:33

so I think that's about as serious

1:35:37

of a punishment as you can hand out.

1:35:40

I liked how he basically

1:35:42

described the gravity of the crime as

1:35:45

in you can't even describe it.

1:35:48

It's so abhorrent that you can't

1:35:50

even find the words for it. I

1:35:53

think that definitely resonated with

1:35:55

me. She

1:36:00

is appealing her sentence. Oh,

1:36:02

is she? Of course she is. Yeah, I mean, they

1:36:04

always do. Yeah.

1:36:07

What?

1:36:08

Yeah. I hope after

1:36:10

everything that her child, Mateo,

1:36:13

is in good hands with her grandparents, hopefully.

1:36:16

Yeah, the grandmother is full custody,

1:36:18

which is good. And

1:36:20

then Taylor did get married

1:36:23

in 2020 to her husband, Warren.

1:36:29

Shabow. Shabow. Shabow.

1:36:32

We're in business now. And so they're still together.

1:36:34

Still going strong, I guess. And he's in prison as

1:36:36

well. And he posted some on Facebook

1:36:39

about how he's like, you know, he's

1:36:41

always going to support her and that

1:36:43

he was framed and that

1:36:45

when he gets out, he's got business to follow up with.

1:36:48

So I don't know what that means exactly. But

1:36:50

he stands behind her, supports her no matter

1:36:52

what. Seems like they were

1:36:55

made for each other. Yep, sure does. But

1:36:58

yeah, that is the case

1:37:00

of Taylor's business and Shattherian.

1:37:03

Let us know your thoughts. I

1:37:05

know this is a heavy one for sure. So

1:37:07

I don't have a whole lot of things

1:37:11

to wrap up with. Daniel,

1:37:13

you got any comments? My

1:37:16

mom told me you have nothing nice to say. Don't say anything

1:37:18

at all. That's kind of how I

1:37:20

feel right now. I know. Like there's

1:37:22

really no way to ask. Other

1:37:25

than parrot what Shat's uncle

1:37:27

said, really. Yeah. You know, if you

1:37:29

look up to Jeffrey Dahmer so

1:37:31

much, that to me is like one of the most disturbing

1:37:34

parts of this is that she

1:37:36

was clearly obsessed with him.

1:37:39

I can't help but think that

1:37:42

the actions that she did were somehow

1:37:44

inspired by him. I think so. You don't

1:37:46

think she would have done this regardless?

1:37:49

I don't know if she would take it to the level that she did without

1:37:53

knowing what Jeffrey Dahmer did. Yeah, certainly

1:37:55

seemed inspired by it. It just is weird that

1:37:58

it all happened around the same time. that she

1:38:00

was Googling him and perhaps watching

1:38:02

the Netflix show and all that. She

1:38:05

goes and does exactly what Dahmer

1:38:08

would have done. It's just

1:38:10

sick, disgusting. She's

1:38:13

right where she needs to be. So I'm

1:38:15

glad they caught her very quickly after

1:38:18

that crime. I wish baby the... I

1:38:21

understand like COVID was at play here

1:38:23

with her being on the ankle monitor

1:38:25

and whatnot. And I

1:38:28

think a lot of people at the time were taking

1:38:30

advantage of that as well. And I think Taylor knew

1:38:32

that

1:38:32

she could get away with a lot of stuff by

1:38:35

taking advantage of that, not going to jail or

1:38:37

anything. Yeah. There's probably

1:38:39

a number of times that

1:38:41

she should have been incarcerated and perhaps

1:38:43

it would have

1:38:44

prevented this

1:38:47

whole crime from ever happening. But then

1:38:49

again, it

1:38:50

may have happened eventually. Right. So

1:38:52

it's hard to

1:38:55

say. But yeah, we're going to go ahead and wrap up things there.

1:38:57

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