According to Forbes, pastoring is one of the Top 10 Most Stressful Jobs that exist today. Pastoring isn't easy, and pastors need love, recognition, and support just as much as anybody else.

In honor of Pastor Appreciation Month, Laurie interviews Josh—a pastor himself—about his journey into ministry, his ups and downs as a pastor, and what the relationship between  a pastor and a congregation should look like.

On December 6th, the Billy Graham Center will be hosting a GC2 Summit called Facing Hard Truths and Challenges of Pastoral Ministry. If you like this episode, we encourage you to join us.