As coronavirus infection rates continue to rise and more local lockdowns are put in place, more and more people are fed up with the prospect of further lockdown restrictions being imposed. Is now the time to stop complying with covid security and just give up? We've all done our bit! What lessons have we learned from the first wave of infections, and can those lessons help us combat the second wave? Professors Hugh Koch and Craig Jackson discuss what longer term changes are looming for us. An upbeat Hugh tries to cheer a grumpy Craig, while they talk about cancelling Christmas and how it could be good news for Turkey farmers.