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news today that we start with is

1:52

Kinsey Suamate's initial role

1:54

walking in. We're not going to

1:57

learn much from rookie minicamp or from most

1:59

of the OTAs. until the mandatory veteran

2:01

minicamp, where everybody will actually be

2:03

there. I don't know that an offensive

2:05

lineman or even a defensive lineman at this point, he's going

2:07

to show us enough to get a feel.

2:10

But I'm still excited about it. I want to

2:12

see him out there. He seems like

2:14

a very energetic kid from his personality, and I

2:16

know he can move well. So I

2:18

want to see kick-step work. I want

2:20

to see him obviously working against air

2:23

because he's not going to get hit a lot. That's

2:25

perfectly fine with me. I want to give him that

2:27

acclimation period. I'm excited about what

2:29

that will look like for him so he can come

2:31

in and start competing. The

2:34

only thing in my mind that

2:37

could really come out of this

2:39

weekend, which starts tomorrow, we'll

2:41

see the rookie minicamp starting tomorrow, is

2:44

going to be if he takes any snaps

2:46

at any position other than left tackle.

2:49

If they have him work as a right

2:51

tackle, how many snaps do they have him

2:53

work as a right tackle? That's the only

2:55

thing that really would be something that I

2:57

think would be newsworthy coming out of this

2:59

minicamp, personally. I'm

3:02

not going to say he can't get any snaps at right tackle,

3:04

but if it's 50-50 or even 40% right

3:06

tackle, I

3:10

think that says more than maybe

3:12

we would expect. I think he's going

3:15

to get closer to 75-80, if

3:17

not 90% left tackle snaps, just because

3:19

I do think that they want him to

3:22

focus on that and that's the plan for

3:25

him. Yeah, I

3:27

think it is coming here in battle

3:29

with Wagnier for left, and

3:31

the loser will become the swing tackle because

3:33

we know they both can play on both

3:36

sides. You have a very good point about

3:38

do they have him take right-handed snaps right

3:40

now, just to see what he can

3:42

do, probably. There's going to be an extended evaluation. You

3:44

can get a lot from a 30 visit, and

3:47

clearly the drills would combine, et cetera. But

3:49

until you're on the practice field with Andy Heck,

3:51

and you are working on exactly what he wants

3:53

you to do and how he wants you to

3:55

do it, there's always a little bit

3:57

of question. So That's a very good point.

4:00

Very good Point. I. Don't

4:02

think that they plan on making

4:04

him. Move. To

4:06

write. Would. A given some exposure

4:08

to see what he got, that be my opinion.

4:10

But I expect to be a battle from the

4:12

get go with wanting more. Is that how you

4:14

see it as well ours? You expect some different.

4:17

Know I do think that that's the way this is

4:19

gonna go. I do think the he's going to be

4:21

badly money more than I do think that they want

4:24

him to one that that's already left. Have a job.

4:27

Is just gonna be that will be of.

4:29

My whole point was that would be the

4:31

only thing is throw me off from this

4:33

weekend as if we hear he's taking half

4:35

of the stamps over right tackle and they

4:37

have some undrafted free agent running at left

4:39

tackle for some of it. Ah I don't

4:42

expect that that's going to happen but. That's.

4:44

The only thing I'm all really be looking at when

4:46

it comes to him. I think when you look at

4:49

everything else yeah he's gonna we're gonna stick Step is

4:51

going to work on all the different things that liming

4:53

can do to still not really gonna get anything until

4:55

you really get a feel for what they're doing. And.

4:58

Training camp a mean even the know

5:00

to gays and in veteran many champion

5:02

are really gonna get anything. Because.

5:05

They don't have the pads on, they can only

5:07

do so much easier early lock up in really

5:09

take anybody to the ground and and finish through

5:11

on box and that just it makes a really

5:13

hard to really get much from. This.

5:16

Next up these next couple months at the

5:18

office y position. Death.

5:20

The it does make it difficult so I think

5:22

it's about. Wrote executed

5:24

of drills and one is got a

5:26

clear advantage there over the rookie. We'll

5:29

see how to a go but I

5:31

think it's saw. It's kind of like

5:33

the warm up right now. the battle

5:35

will be camping and like you said,

5:37

nothing can really be decided until you

5:39

get in those one and ones in

5:41

camp in full pads and actually have

5:43

some may try to clobber. yeah. Yeah

5:46

in the thing that I think to really

5:48

stand out as if you end up seeing

5:50

deeply be the guy that starting when veterans

5:52

show up or in O T A's. If

5:55

he's already able to take that step, that

5:57

really means something. Because.

5:59

Annulled. They're good at bottom in their just because

6:01

they drafted him. In. The second round.

6:04

So. To. Me. As

6:06

a matter of he would have to show

6:08

that he has a didn't have a grasp

6:10

on the playbook. Which. Sounds

6:12

funny to see a when we're talking about offered

6:14

civil. I'm in right now. Ah,

6:17

Il just a couple days removed from the

6:19

draft, but. That's. Really what it comes

6:21

down to Can he be in the right spot? Is

6:23

he going to hit the is he gonna be trying

6:25

to take out the right blocker or sorry that have

6:28

the right or defender? When he is he oh doing

6:30

whatever he was be doing and on all he snaps

6:32

that's going to be the big thing. How does it

6:34

handle that. Will. Know a lot more

6:37

I think. probably just from how to

6:39

refs go when the veterans are there.

6:43

Yeah. It's it's gotta com that way

6:45

and it's gonna be a progression on

6:47

in terms of. Who. When

6:49

where and what the battle is the to be

6:51

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8:27

as well Starting with Kingsley and

8:30

I'm gonna have to come up. I might just call it start calling

8:33

him. So I don't know I have to shorten

8:35

something to make it make sense and be

8:37

able to speak it consistently So I'm gonna

8:39

do that But I'm really

8:41

intrigued because I thought one is so showed

8:44

some prowess in the run game I do like coming off

8:46

the ball I think Kingsley's got

8:48

a little bit more athleticism to him generally

8:50

and he can run block as well So

8:53

I don't see that as much of a

8:55

determining factor as some people

8:57

wanted to be In terms

8:59

of who ends up being starting left tackle

9:01

for this particular season so for me it

9:03

all comes down to your past sets and

9:06

how you're able to not only be

9:08

spatially aware of where Joe

9:11

toonies replacement is because let's be frank Joe

9:14

probably isn't gonna participate in no TAs We

9:16

don't have that for certain, but that's my expectation when

9:18

it comes to camp. He might not be out there

9:20

as well We'll see where he's at. But

9:23

you got to be aware of him, but you

9:25

got to be aware of the quarterback and again

9:27

Morris One it has

9:29

the advantage having played with my homes But

9:32

I think Kingsley's a little bit more fleet of foot

9:34

and a little bit cleaner Especially if they asked

9:37

him to start take taking vertical sets I

9:39

think the 45 to vertical sets is where the battle

9:41

for this position is really gonna be It's

9:45

gonna be fun to watch I will say this

9:48

the thing in you see you mentioned it already

9:50

the thing that it's Wanya has going over Kingsley

9:52

right now is one he's played

9:54

with moms and you can watch all the film

9:56

you want It's going to

9:58

be. It's going to be different. These are getting

10:00

into games, rest are getting into a

10:02

training camp, live practices even though you're

10:04

not getting the quarterback. Ah is can

10:06

be even different when you get into

10:09

preseason games regular season games because the

10:11

reality is that my home's doesn't. This

10:13

really do drops the way than normal

10:15

quarterback does so you're gonna have to

10:17

just what you do to be able

10:19

to keep people away from him. In

10:21

one of the things I loved about

10:23

assume of the his conversation right after

10:25

the draft was he said he knew

10:27

he gets a pattern of Islam touch

10:29

you. I love. That thought process. Ah,

10:32

A and I think that that's a great

10:34

for him to have but the reality is

10:36

the he's got of realize that it's going

10:38

to be different blocking for my homes and

10:40

will be anybody else on this roster or

10:42

anybody's ever played with before because Muh Holmes's

10:44

drawbacks are so different in he holds the

10:47

ball for so much longer than most jeebies

10:49

will. Find

10:51

you have a very good point there. It

10:53

makes me crazy lunatic. Last guy who said

10:56

that was are they around and that we

10:58

didn't turn out to be the case so

11:00

I wouldn't be making that quote anymore if

11:02

I were Kingsley. My, that's all right. He

11:04

does come down to getting the feel for.

11:07

that's probably where. I. Want to see

11:09

as much time right now I as they start

11:11

rookie minicamp we you don't have one him or

11:13

three than that his neck. Where. He can

11:15

get wrapped with moms or not, it doesn't matter

11:18

which side it's on to meet right now because

11:20

I think you get some benefit from both. So

11:22

like you said, if they're gonna flip flop I'm

11:24

It's gotta be with my homes. They.

11:27

Can't do it right this moment but during that the

11:29

next session out he has I believe the first time

11:31

that most of the on the field. With.

11:34

Him. So. Get through your

11:36

rookie camp teacher feet under you like kind

11:38

of get the lay of the land over

11:40

locker room is in the privacy of all

11:42

kinds of but then like as soon as

11:44

possible to can you get refs with him

11:46

consistently to get that feel. That's probably the

11:48

number one thing that I think we'll go

11:50

through the season and will eventually decide. Who.

11:52

Wins a plane more of the starting left tackle

11:54

snaps. Between. He and want

11:56

to mars. Would.

11:59

Ask you a question. They were. I.

12:03

I struggle with this question in my mind.

12:06

Is. It a wasted second round pick if

12:08

he is the swing tackle this year. Nor.

12:11

Is it or or can you look at it

12:13

is wasted. Second round there are a third round

12:15

pick for wanting more mean a swing tackle. This

12:17

year. I. Mean know you can take

12:20

either direction. I

12:22

wouldn't say either for them are wasted because

12:24

for this very specific reason attrition, the real

12:26

thing in the Nfl. If. You're

12:28

going to have some time when you need your swing

12:31

tackle the place of either of them. Take that role

12:33

that's good. Like right now, we've talked most of the

12:35

off season about adding gonna miss me back to this

12:37

room and we're gonna talk about the O line room

12:39

here in depth in a minute. To

12:42

bite of the right now they still could. Yes

12:44

there could be immense or but I don't think

12:46

at this point did you bring him into be

12:49

a starter? I. Think at this point

12:51

he is meant to be a backup and you

12:53

want one of these guys to be your swing

12:55

and one of these guys to be your starter

12:57

and he's there to support them. That would be

12:59

the way that I would do it Now, because

13:01

What you just mentioned a second Anna. Third, Significant.

13:04

Draft cap of you gotta get on the Field

13:06

one he i thought I was a good leaves

13:08

in some things to be. New. Desired.

13:12

Out on the field last year skill, he gave you

13:14

some stats. I expect we'll be able to do that

13:16

even if he doesn't win the job outright, so neither

13:18

of them would be a wasted picked to me. I.

13:21

Think that your prep preparing and you're in

13:23

depth and you're able to get on the

13:25

field. And go through a little bit of

13:27

attrition. The. Seems played. Twenty.

13:29

Plus games again another year and a

13:31

row, right? it's it's that much more

13:33

than gotta have it for the long

13:35

run. And. There's talk

13:37

about a be in eighty games next season so

13:40

we'll see whether or not I goes anywhere but

13:42

you making you make a great boy. I mean

13:44

I and I'm not trying to say i think

13:46

it's a waste of pig. I guess I'm just

13:48

looking at it from the perspective of you're using

13:50

all this draft capital on your office of line

13:53

in a got him into this for your wishing

13:55

you're hoping the one of those guys doesn't play

13:57

because. You.

13:59

Know. You want tailored be out either? Scopes you're

14:01

you're gonna have one of those guys the hope

14:04

it isn't going to be playing very much and

14:06

puts the i think it's so worth it. I

14:08

mean you look at what the gave up for.

14:10

I mean they drafted the gang in the third

14:12

round and never ended up working out. He got

14:14

injured you, he never was able to to work

14:16

out and that's things. But

14:18

the reality of playing for Barney

14:20

and Fellows, there's one. there's going

14:22

be. Injuries to a different players

14:24

get better at different rates. So

14:26

just because if Tingley doesn't win

14:28

it this you doesn't necessarily mean

14:30

he couldn't win it next year.

14:33

Ah, There's lots of different things that

14:35

can happen in. One of the things

14:37

that Geoff Schwartz actually miss in this.

14:40

One of the biggest things it's things these

14:42

got get figured out as is gonna get

14:45

his footwork for your eyes, going to get

14:47

his hands figured out. his technique A gotta

14:49

stay down. So the big question is how

14:51

big of an impact how quickly have an

14:53

impact to Andy Heck have on on. Saw

14:56

a multiyear. This. Season. That's.

14:58

Going to be the real t to whether or not

15:00

he's gonna be the starter is how quickly he can

15:02

advance in improve on the things that he struggled with

15:05

in college. Agreed,

15:07

and that's gotta com rather quickly.

15:10

Because. There is some concern in the

15:12

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16:44

we're talking about the

16:47

rookie Kingsley Sumantia his conceptual

16:51

battle with Juan Yemora second year player

16:54

the same position. But that's not all

16:56

that's going on here. I do think there is

16:58

a distinct possibility as we've had zero update on

17:01

the injury to Joe Tuni that

17:03

someone's going to have to fill in

17:05

there until this draft. The

17:07

only interior player they had on the roster that

17:10

could have filled in was

17:12

Mike Caliendo. Not something I'm

17:15

terribly happy about. Kudos

17:17

to Mike for making it this far. When he

17:19

was able to play last year, I was not

17:21

happy. So that was

17:23

a concern. At this point, you

17:25

drafted two other guys. We're going to talk about them coming

17:27

up in the next couple of weeks folks in

17:30

Hunter Norzat and CJ Hanson. Also

17:33

have to be considered is probably not the best option

17:35

to fill in for Joe

17:37

Tuni if he has to miss time. Now, hopefully

17:40

Joe's fine and had his repair and he's all

17:42

good to go. But if he's not say

17:45

he has to miss a few games to start

17:47

the season. I postulate to

17:49

you, I would start

17:52

Sumantia even though I haven't seen him practice with

17:54

chiefs yet at left tackle and I would move

17:56

Wanyang to left guard. That's

17:58

what I would do. Do you think

18:00

that that's a consideration that the Chiefs have to look

18:02

at? And would we know that from an OTA practice

18:05

trying to get a look at that as well? It's

18:10

an interesting postulation. I

18:13

think that when you look at this, it's a question

18:15

of who do you feel like can take

18:17

that guard position and be better at it? And

18:20

yes, you have to worry about left tackle. But

18:22

the question to me when you start looking at

18:24

the left tackle position is, who do

18:26

you think is going to be the better player when the season

18:28

starts? And who do you think the better player will be at

18:30

the end of the season? Because I think that could be two

18:33

different answers. I

18:35

do think that there's a situation where you could look at it

18:37

and say, maybe Juanita Morris is

18:39

better now. But it's

18:42

a question of, if you watch what happens

18:44

in rookie minicamp with Kingsley, and you see

18:46

how he progresses through OTAs, and you see

18:49

how he progresses through training camp, is

18:51

he progressing enough to where you think even if

18:53

he's not better than Juanita right now, he will

18:55

be better than him by the end of the

18:57

season. And it's worth getting him the reps, even

19:00

if it's a little bit of a downgrade. And

19:03

if that's the case, then yeah, I think

19:05

you have to consider Morris as your left guard.

19:08

Whether or not that's really going to happen, we'll

19:10

see. I still think personally that they would probably

19:13

go with Hunter Norzad, but it's

19:16

possible that they would look at something else. And

19:18

it's also possible they signed a couple undrafted guys.

19:21

It's really hard when it comes to offensive linemen

19:23

to know who's going to be able to step

19:25

in and do something that you weren't expecting. And

19:28

while I think that you're probably right, like

19:30

Morris would be one of those guys that

19:32

they would look to, I

19:34

think that that's also asking a lot of Morris. Because

19:37

at that point, you're

19:39

asking Juanita to

19:41

be your backup or your starting guard.

19:44

Who's going to be your swing tackle?

19:46

I mean, in that instance, you'd have to probably bring

19:49

somebody else in. I don't think you want that guy

19:51

to be Lucas D'Ane. I just don't

19:53

feel like that's a smart choice. That's

19:56

a fair point. And Nying is kind of

19:58

the guy that's on the outside. outside looking in right

20:01

here if they were to

20:03

bring in another veteran whether it's Donovan or

20:05

somebody else gets caught this preseason or whatever

20:09

It's Lucas that I think is on the losing

20:11

end of that stick But you have a good

20:13

point you keep him right now for depth no

20:15

matter what so you have four tackles on the

20:17

active roster Do you think that Godric

20:19

can come back in? I don't know Do

20:21

you think that undracked free agents and

20:24

Nick Forest and Ethan Driscoll could push?

20:26

I don't think so, but it

20:28

is asking a lot and so really it is come

20:31

down to playing your best five Probably

20:33

means you're playing both of your

20:35

possible left tackles Maybe

20:38

or maybe what they look at is they get to

20:40

a point where they figure out maybe Joe Tooney's not

20:42

gonna be healthy for the first part of the season

20:44

and maybe they make a trade Or

20:47

maybe they bring in another offensive lineman or offensive

20:49

guard to step in and play that position if

20:51

they don't think that One of the

20:53

guys they just drafted did it can do it but

20:55

to me I get why

20:57

you're asking about Wonye But to me, I don't

20:59

think that you want him practicing and playing at

21:01

guard When if he's

21:04

not gonna be the starter at tackle He's he needs

21:06

reps at both left tackle and right tackle to be

21:08

ready to be a swing guy To

21:10

me, that's the way it looks like like I don't

21:12

think he's been in the like if he had been

21:14

in the NFL for two Or three seasons for maybe

21:16

four seasons. I'd feel better about that.

21:19

But being in the NFL for one season I don't think

21:21

that you really want him to be a starter at guard

21:24

and then think maybe he could step in and be your

21:26

Your swing tackle if something happened. I mean, I think that's

21:29

putting him in a bad position so

21:31

I think that you would try to you know,

21:33

work up, you know, a norzad or His

21:38

hands and sorry as it was the other one Or

21:42

maybe you look at somewhere somewhere else. I'm sure that there's

21:44

gonna be somebody out there that's gonna be getting cut But

21:48

all that's conjecture right now cuz we don't know what's going on

21:50

with Joe Tuni and I hope he's gonna be healthy But

21:53

it is a big question because all

21:55

it takes is one hit the wrong way if he

21:57

hasn't been if he's not you

22:00

really need him to be, that's why

22:02

you don't want to rush that back. You want, and

22:04

in some ways it actually works to the chief's advantage

22:07

to put a guy like Norsat in and just see if he

22:09

can run a left guard. Just move

22:11

him there for right now and see if he can run and

22:13

do that. Because at that point you

22:15

have an idea of what you already have at that

22:17

position if Tuni isn't going to

22:20

be able to play. I

22:23

think that's the biggest battle because if I

22:25

know Andy Reed and Andy Heck, they probably want to

22:27

go with the veteran in Cagliano just because he's a

22:29

veteran and not put another rookie out

22:32

there, right? I hope that that's

22:34

not the case. That's going to be the secondary battle

22:36

that we haven't discussed here specifically today because we're talking

22:38

about Kingsley in the left tackle spot. But that's going

22:40

to be a battle as well. Who do

22:42

you think comes out on top of it? That's what we'd

22:45

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22:55

for you coming next week as well

22:57

as a continued breakdown, looking at the

22:59

other draft picks and what their roles

23:01

should be to begin

23:03

and where they could end up. So we're

23:06

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23:08

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23:12

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