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Miami. Season has been inconsistent and affairs

1:15

are equally toward about the team's chances of

1:18

being a legitimate poses a threat or the

1:20

he truly cooked good Jimmy Butler. Save them

1:22

once again. so many questions and that nearly

1:25

up answers the report. The Heat's post season

1:27

chances on trial today as we lay on

1:29

our arguments both. or that gets Miami, the

1:31

playoff mock trial or today's episode of Locked

1:34

On He. You Are

1:36

Locked On Heat Your daily

1:38

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Thirteen. Every day.

1:51

Or I welcome the one on. During

1:56

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2:00

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2:02

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2:04

Day Gotta fun show for you

2:07

today! Renewal: Mock trial to determine

2:09

whether or not the heat are

2:11

contenders. David. You're going to

2:13

present the position that the heat are contenders.

2:15

I'm in a present. The argument: That. They

2:17

are not contenders because I guess I'm the

2:19

cynical one. On the show will

2:22

start with are opening arguments then we're

2:24

going to get to or evidence will

2:26

present or different points of evidence. And.

2:29

Then we're going to end, of course with

2:31

closing arguments and finally a ruling before we

2:33

begin just to set the table really quick,

2:35

the heat. Or thirty seven and thirty one

2:37

they've dropped the eighth and East they have

2:39

less than a twenty three percent chance of

2:42

climbing out of the play and tournament and

2:44

getting a top succeed according to baseball references

2:46

playoff tracker. Are. They hadn't beaten a

2:48

team with a five hundred record or better

2:50

since February Twenty six. And. They are

2:53

dealing with injuries. The Jimmy Butler Tyler

2:55

hero Kevin Love legally of It's and

2:57

apparently now Duncan Robinson with a bad

2:59

back. And. They're all of this. With.

3:01

Just fourteen games to go.

3:04

so. I. Guess I'm the

3:06

prosecution in this month trial. You're.

3:08

Defending miami status as a

3:10

legit contender. I. Guess I'm process.

3:12

I'm putting them on the stand. and I

3:15

guess I'm poking holes in their contending status

3:17

here. So. You googled it

3:19

right before we started. I suppose the prosecution

3:21

goes first. Now. I.

3:24

Wanna go for a. Fist. Fight. We can

3:26

do a virtual coin flip if you like but either

3:28

way I think he they have your argument. I

3:31

think. I. Think people are torn right now.

3:33

I think this is basically I said it

3:35

is our opening statement. You know I think

3:37

a lot of people are torn. even every

3:39

episode we do it seems like there's a

3:41

even makes almost like now this game means

3:44

nothing or yeah this is fine as it's

3:46

it's indicative of how good the he is

3:48

and then you have to say that many

3:50

people say and I don't think all those

3:52

people are your necessarily heat fans. ah the

3:54

other a few people probably coming in from

3:56

some other fan bases while the lead com

3:59

it's but the. Interesting how many people come

4:01

back to say the exact opposite you know that

4:03

does seem scope it would ever gonna have to

4:05

begin with, etc etc. So. It's

4:07

a it's an interesting exercise I think the

4:09

kind of lay out an argument he he

4:12

everybody's free to make whatever judgment they may

4:14

want, but I'm curious to hear how based

4:16

on our respective arguments with or not people

4:18

will get. Disagree. Or agree.

4:20

We did put it out on interpol to and

4:23

will reveal with the results to the twitter polling

4:25

or sort of a a jury with acts with

4:27

with no power because you and I rule. The.

4:29

Show with Iron Fist ourselves that we say goes

4:31

it's this is more like a Judge Judy type

4:34

trial where it doesn't really go to a judge

4:36

or jury but ugly like. Never watched an episode

4:38

a Judge Judy? Can you believe it? Ah

4:40

yeah. Familiar with the I'm familiar

4:43

with every. Cell. Is simply with

4:45

her work of his you started they can't make

4:47

a comeback on social media like old clips of

4:49

her stuff is like a in my algorithm. I

4:51

don't know the I have that just because I

4:53

watched her when I was like home sick from

4:55

school and that was sort of it. but. Alum.

4:57

let's me. robots. The people's court. Ah,

5:00

I don't I was watching Judge Judy. Okay,

5:03

murmur. Of under the opening

5:05

arguments here. Got. Our I

5:07

am the Prosecution poking holes

5:09

in Miami's. Status.

5:12

As a contender, here's where here we

5:14

go with opening Statement: The Nineteen Ninety

5:16

Five Houston Rockets. The. Nineteen

5:18

Sixty Nine Boston Celtics. The.

5:20

Twenty Twenty. Miami. Heat.

5:24

Little. All these teams have in common. They

5:27

got to the N B A finals in

5:29

those seasons as a lower seed. And.

5:31

Then did diddly squat. The.

5:34

Very next year. Those. Ninety Ninety

5:36

Five, Houston Rockets. The six he admitted to

5:38

the N B A finals. Congratulations those Houston

5:40

Rockets They lost in the second round pretty

5:43

swiftly the very next season. And nineteen, Sixty

5:45

Nine Boston Celtics. Made. The playoffs

5:47

of the foresee. miss the playoffs the

5:49

very next season. The Twenty Twenty Miami

5:51

Heat we can all remember. Me:

5:53

The Envy files as the fifth seed in

5:55

the East. Got. Swept in the first

5:57

round. The. Very next year. Know.

6:00

The team that has ever made the

6:02

finals as worse than number four seed

6:04

is ever returned. To. The Finals.

6:06

In the very next season. And

6:09

here we have the Twenty Twenty

6:11

Four Miami Heat. So similar. To.

6:13

Those twenty twenty he that remember. And.

6:17

They are not going to be the exception. They.

6:20

Were the eighth seed last year. And. Where

6:22

the first eighth seed ever. To. Make it

6:24

to the N B A finals and as

6:26

in as standard length regular season. sorry those

6:28

nineties. next doesn't count. Put forty

6:31

games and here. They.

6:33

Lost the Denver Nuggets, the and revolvers remember.

6:36

And even as the eighth seed were

6:38

talking about it like to seeds worse

6:40

than the worst see that we're talking

6:42

about previously the Ninety Ninety Five, Houston

6:44

Rockets. And. Even that team gonna get out

6:46

a second round. This.

6:48

Team is back. To. Being a

6:51

plane team again this year, more likely

6:53

than not with fourteen games list there

6:55

is. There was no historical precedent for

6:58

the team last year. To. Make

7:00

the run that dead. And because

7:02

of that, there's even less of a historical

7:04

precedent. For. The team to do it. Twice

7:06

more. To. Do it twice in a row I

7:08

should say. Past. Performance

7:11

does not dictate current performance or

7:13

future performance. We never look at

7:15

a team based on what they

7:17

did your previous and apply those

7:19

things to what that team can

7:21

do. This. Season. And

7:24

just because the heat haven't proven it yet, does

7:26

not mean that they are going to prove it

7:28

in the future. Maybe like every other team in

7:30

the and be a we take what we see

7:32

in front of us. And. We believe that

7:34

to be what is true. And not

7:37

some imaginary thing that we thing can happen.

7:39

Or. Even something that did happen. With.

7:42

A different team in a different league.

7:44

A year ago. With. Different

7:46

competition and different factors and

7:48

different variables. I. Think the

7:50

team in front of us is simply the team

7:52

in front of us. and I will present my

7:54

evidence as to why even this year's team does

7:57

not have the upside that last year's team did.

8:00

I'll. Do that my in when my present my evidence

8:02

later on. But. Right now. I.

8:05

Think this the idea of this team did

8:07

it once before. As a reason

8:09

that the steam could do it again. Bears.

8:12

Absolutely no fruit and should be thrown out the

8:14

door. right? What? Right away? As.

8:16

Any sort of reason why they could do it again. And.

8:19

By closing arguments, I don't know if that's how it works

8:21

in court. But I

8:23

don't buy failure been. Ltd

8:27

to say thank you for that

8:30

They can you judge a A

8:32

that's a big you Judge Judy?

8:34

I'm a yield my time to

8:37

hope for the defense. I don't

8:39

know You get your turn or.

8:42

Her. Play the job and

8:44

a the listening audience. I think it's fitting that

8:46

is just a few days we'll be celebrating alleys

8:48

as we measure our yearly calendar the beginning of

8:51

a new season spring. It's a type of rebirth

8:53

of putting away your winter coats for a few

8:55

more months of seeing the first few blades of

8:57

grass poke through your were the crowd, the snow

8:59

outside your door or if you live in Miami

9:02

it really doesn't mean anything at all except the

9:04

your prior to be seeing more mosquitoes and you

9:06

did over the last you much for the Miami

9:08

Heat. Spring. Begins a little bit

9:10

later, but all the same significance when mid

9:12

April rolls around. There's. Another save.

9:15

These games matter and that the matter

9:17

because they are what really define. It.

9:19

Suddenly the Jimmy Butler has learned over the years

9:21

of their be A career now that he's made

9:24

his money and establish his brand. No. One

9:26

gives a damn if you beat the Boston

9:28

Celtics, November or if you lose the Washington

9:30

Wizards in March. but we all remember Jimmy

9:32

Butler having put on one of the most

9:35

incredible displays of basketball artistry that we've ever

9:37

seen. in October. Twenty Twenty complete it's reference

9:39

when the robot in a dark place and

9:41

no one knew what was going to happen

9:43

next. Hunched over the tables next the makeshift

9:46

courts and they were little bubble giving it

9:48

is all. Because. That's what he came

9:50

to my able to do and two years later,

9:52

he did the same thing, just falling short of

9:54

reaching the finals for a second time in three

9:57

seasons. And then again, just last year

9:59

when no one. That Miami could possibly do

10:01

it again. While. They did. Because.

10:03

They are the Miami Heat because they are

10:05

inevitable because you can always count on them

10:08

to show up. Like spring. No.

10:10

Matter how dark and bleak the winner a regular

10:12

season could be Life and the Miami Heat find

10:14

a way. They can. Get.

10:18

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10:20

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Continuing. With our mock Miami Heat

13:22

trial or the Miami Heat contenders were

13:25

trying to figure it out here. We

13:27

already started with are opening arguments the

13:29

but I like how. Poetic.

13:31

Yours was. And. I I

13:33

like the the imagery of spring. Colleague

13:36

that it was scripted and well thought out

13:38

whereas mine was just basically what I have

13:40

been saying. The whole time of

13:42

it's over the last month. With. A little

13:44

bit of historical. I did some research at least. A

13:47

yoga is if you did look up

13:49

the earth is so I I I

13:51

say com. I think it's

13:53

kind of the basis for any argument when you're looking

13:56

at the Miami Heat. And. What they've

13:58

able to accomplish over the last four years. You

14:01

know even the were out opposing sides of that's right

14:03

now is technically for the sake of the show In

14:05

this episode. You. Know mine kind

14:07

of. My argument is basically. Less.

14:11

Rooted. And something. Realistic.

14:14

Or are tangible interpret will be senior. What

14:16

we seen over the course of the first

14:18

three have any games at? Yeah, I mean

14:20

M M? Maybe fact reality? That's exactly right.

14:22

It's as if you see seventy games. They.

14:25

Provided a sample. Of what

14:27

this he is capable of. Some good,

14:29

some bad, Mostly. Inconsistent and

14:31

mostly hurt and which is why.

14:34

My. Idea that they can be

14:36

still be contenders are can be still

14:38

viewed as contenders is because I believe

14:40

in what they're capable of so will

14:42

a that out So. Ah, How

14:44

many points as evidenced you have? I have a

14:46

B and C year which I think again is

14:49

how you do in court. You know I think

14:51

gently Evans A of it's Be In Nc and

14:53

yeah let's fight. The. Sign of that three

14:55

three point two years I can play area so

14:57

loudly do lake. so we. Instead.

15:00

Of just. Doing. All of our evidence

15:02

right away as a presentation. Let's just do

15:04

like Wow. Exhibit A Wow. Changing the rules

15:06

of the American legal system on his part

15:09

I will really isn't I don't know how

15:11

it works. yes he never voted on route

15:13

drop of a for like I don't watch

15:15

tv Okay ah what we are all our

15:18

as evidence ago A B C I A

15:20

L ne I thought about everybody goes with

15:22

her every the jurors are looking each other,

15:24

shaking her head and more. interesting in terms

15:27

of the podcast format though. Because.

15:29

Of boring So the to go see

15:32

more interesting if we rotated evidence A

15:34

I think that maybe more interesting We

15:36

almost went like ah, lifestyle or ah

15:39

I will evidence I'll go with my

15:41

first. Point. of that when it was a

15:43

tv show. Now they are very loves his and

15:45

are like a private special crimes unit or in

15:47

in the middle the and be a season I

15:49

watched basketball I don't love the I don't watch

15:51

it I don't want to live any not apply

15:53

have the we we halfway through Love is Blind

15:55

are insanely our yesterday I don't know what that

15:57

is Love is blind reunion. It

16:00

might have a reunion. I respect your original. Oh man.

16:02

When I heard of a lot there's lots and in

16:05

a gym in Chelsea I still am. Figure out what's

16:07

go out that we're going at work and eight we're

16:09

going to get there the night before other games start

16:11

up on Tuesday night. While we do that, I'm gonna

16:13

present evidence A and then if you feel like you

16:15

have a good counterpoint to it than you go in.

16:18

if not, then I'll just continue which has to fair

16:20

enough evidence. My evidence A is what I am calling

16:22

it. I don't know. Again, if that's correct. It's

16:25

it's something that I presented before, but I'm gonna go

16:27

little bit deeper. Miami. They. Are three

16:29

and eighteen against teams the top ten point differential

16:32

the season. I repeated that stat because it's worth

16:34

repeating and I'm it again now because hey, those

16:36

are the teams that you're gonna play in the

16:38

playoffs. The good teams lose, the ones that make

16:41

the postseason younger to beat up on the Detroit

16:43

Pistons like you have over the last three games.

16:45

Miami's last three wins or all over the Pistons.

16:48

The. Pistons are not going to make the playoffs so

16:50

you don't get the eat up those cupcake teams

16:52

anymore. you access to beat the good teams which

16:54

is something that he struggled with. Not only are

16:56

they struggled to beat the good teams this year,

16:58

they have struggled to beat the teams that they're

17:00

probably going to play in the first round. This.

17:03

Year if they enter the. Play. As

17:05

the eighth seed, they don't play the Boston Celtics.

17:08

Peter. Oh, and three against the Celtics.

17:10

This. Season and if he fans want to

17:12

say that. The. Heat Live Rent Free

17:15

and Boston's Head and that they own. They

17:17

have Boston number. Okay,

17:19

You beat them in the finals and seven in the

17:21

Eastern Conference finals and seven games. Last year. And.

17:24

The Heat loss to the Boston Celtics in

17:26

seven games and Eastern Conference finals the year

17:28

before so I don't think anybody has anybody

17:30

number that their five hundred against each other

17:32

into seven game series in the conference finals

17:34

Over the last two years, one year they

17:36

were the one seed and one year they

17:38

were the easy Though it's I even like

17:40

the Heat upset them in these in. It

17:43

was like an upset in the first year when the

17:45

last seven games. so I don't think that there's I

17:47

think that that's a little. I think that's overstated. And.

17:49

Also the Boston Celtics. Are. Different team

17:52

this year and so the my meat. So.

17:54

Oh, entering at the Celtics in the course, the

17:56

regular season they're wanting to against the Milwaukee Bucks,

17:58

they are only one in. The against the Cleveland

18:00

Cavaliers who were the three seed right now of Miami

18:03

ends up in the succeed That's who they would play

18:05

in the first round. Stolen. Goods: There's

18:07

a chance at least mathematically that Miami

18:09

could get the number succeed so they

18:11

are combined to. And. Six.

18:14

Against the three teams that they could face

18:16

in the first round of the playoffs, That's.

18:18

Not good enough to beat a team

18:20

in a series. So. That's my. That's

18:23

Exhibit A in terms of my evidence. Do

18:25

you have a counterpoint to that within your

18:27

evidence findings? Or should I move on to

18:29

Exhibit B? Car. Or you

18:31

don't have our you're gonna like per faded out there

18:33

for a little bit. I was a really big hats

18:35

or other you go have you could get out by

18:37

our negativity a tiger exhibit. Variants.

18:40

Was very much in Miami's favor last year. With three

18:42

point shooting, they were the worst, one of the worst

18:44

three point shooting teams in the league. In the regular

18:47

season, we were all expecting a positive regression to the

18:49

mean at some point. And it that

18:51

indeed happened. It happened at the best

18:53

possible moment in the playoffs for god

18:55

sakes and it fuel their run to

18:58

the N B A finals. That.

19:00

Variants does not exist for the Miami Heat

19:02

team this year, the Miami Heat, or in

19:04

the upper half the league in terms of

19:06

three point shooting percentage. Very good three point

19:08

shooter shooting team. By all accounts, there's not

19:11

going to be any sort of major snap

19:13

back regression to the mean happening at any

19:15

point. For this, he team. That.

19:17

They can rely on so variances live

19:19

in a factor. For. This

19:21

team. Ah, and. Even

19:23

if it. If there were

19:25

something in terms of variants, I think

19:27

it could be health. Write. Something I

19:30

pointed out on yesterday's episode. If there was something

19:32

that could snap into place at the right time

19:34

for Miami, maybe it's that they all miraculously get

19:36

healthy for the first time all season at the

19:38

right time this season. But I would also argue

19:40

in the small sample that we see in Miami's

19:42

three best players on the floor Jimmy Butler damaged

19:45

by on how the hero that team. Those.

19:47

Lineups of a net rating of plus five

19:49

point seven or outscoring teams by five point

19:51

seven points For Warner Brothers, it's good. It's

19:53

at it as a good at a good

19:55

clip. Dives I saw that was like wow

19:57

that's really encouraging. Then I compare that to

19:59

some the line of of the to the

20:01

best teams in the league at least in

20:03

the regular season. Denver's best lineup plus thirteen

20:06

point three Oklahoma City starting lineup plus eight

20:08

point three Minnesota's starting lineup plus nine point

20:10

one Milwaukee starting lineup. With. Chris Middleton in

20:12

it. Plus. Fifteen Point Three.

20:14

Those lineups. Crush.

20:16

Miami's best lineups so my name is best

20:18

lineup with it's best players. One Lp don't

20:20

even compare to the lineups of the teams

20:22

that have had their players all year and

20:24

have developed that chemistry. so I don't think

20:26

that variants is gonna be much in Miami

20:28

favorite either. And the my third point the

20:30

sort of related to the second point exhibit

20:32

see the competition. That. They are going to

20:35

be dealing with in the Eastern Conference is

20:37

just so much better than it was last

20:39

year. Boston's net rating last year plus six

20:41

point seven Boffins that reading this year plus

20:43

eleven point nine The Walk is net rating

20:45

last year plus three point four this year

20:47

plus or point three New York's net rating

20:50

last year, plus two point eight their net

20:52

rating this year, plus four point five. Cleveland's.

20:55

Net rating last year plus five point six this

20:57

year plus four point two. They're the only team

20:59

that entire group that has gone. Down.

21:01

Even if you start diving to the

21:03

numbers and some specific combinations. There's.

21:06

Ways that Cleveland can actually be up So.

21:09

My. My three points. They're. Not

21:11

going against a top competition the top topic at

21:13

the top down to competition is even better than

21:15

it was last year when they made their run.

21:17

And the thing that help them make their run

21:19

in terms of a variable is not a variable

21:21

that is that are disposable there's disposal. This.

21:24

Playoff Run. Potentially. There's my

21:26

argument, David. At the event

21:29

they relate argument their own. You

21:31

know her again. it's is it

21:33

so hard to. Figure. Out

21:35

Exactly What? Miami? Is

21:38

based on what we've seen from his team

21:40

and that's the face of your argument. You

21:42

know is that that they were they might

21:44

just be very good, but there's always the

21:46

possibility of it and that's kind of what

21:48

I'm looking to. As far as evidence I

21:50

don't have such as a collaborative. Again, I

21:52

don't. I don't have statistical habits are you

21:54

cannot. Possibly you're trying to, You're trying to.

21:57

Appeal. To. The jury's.

22:00

Motions and they're in the heart. A guy that

22:02

that's why that are going. It is a you've

22:04

got. You've got three points that appeal to the

22:06

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24:26

Was. Just jump right into your. Evidence.

24:29

Well my evidence is basically right

24:31

person. exhibit if you will is

24:33

Jimmy Butler you pointed out to

24:35

the Twenty Twenty One. Playoffs.

24:39

And of course that was as

24:41

everybody has conveniently forgotten, a really

24:43

terrible season. Where that only was

24:45

a truncated season, it was extremely

24:47

condensed stably two games and too

24:49

much less time. We see now.

24:52

Even. Over the course of a regularly

24:54

scheduled spaced out schedule, player still missing

24:56

time due to injury and everything off

24:59

Now imagine playing seventy two games in

25:01

less time to this regular season has

25:03

been allotted for and not only on

25:06

top of that, dealing with the fear

25:08

of social unrest dealing with Kobe, dealing

25:10

with a pandemic in full swing, not

25:12

being able see your family, friends, coaches,

25:15

fans, But. Same way that you

25:17

regularly do as it and be a player

25:19

though the it's not an insulated area like

25:22

the Orlando Bubble. It's. Much.

25:24

More wide open and much more scary as a

25:26

result. And not only that, but getting

25:28

the occasional wake up call from a T

25:30

More and be a personnel official at three

25:33

o'clock in the morning to try and get

25:35

a sample a you know to the test

25:37

you would or not you can even play

25:39

the next day Guys missing time. Mario Chalmers

25:41

out of the league for years getting it's

25:43

in their contract. So. That you know

25:45

he can feel it because you just need

25:47

a body. At that point that was the

25:49

Twenty Twenty one regular season. So if you're

25:51

looking at were Jimmy has failed where he

25:53

was stupidly locked it publicly i'm not privately

25:56

where he should have that, then that is

25:58

your evidence right there that. Everything

26:00

else have we seen from to be bothered with

26:02

the exception of that one terrible horrible see the

26:04

the shouldn't even have been played is that Jimmy

26:06

Butler over the last four years has been the

26:09

best buy a player that you could possibly get.

26:11

That Steph Curry that Jayson Tatum or jail of

26:13

Ran or anybody else is Jimmy Butler. And.

26:15

Jimmy Butler has a way of making this

26:18

team. Achieve the impossible. And given

26:20

that that's why I believe this team is

26:22

capable of reaching another level. So that's one

26:24

thing the other exhibit exhibit A be, if

26:27

you will, is that I think this team

26:29

is lacking up your own argument states that

26:31

if there is a barren Cb, take into

26:33

consideration it's it's it's team has been unhealthy.

26:36

Why? Because they're playing it safely. An argument

26:38

that we made many times reports wisely not

26:40

to safely, but wisely because it does it

26:42

matter what happens in March. As frustrating as

26:45

it is a fan and even as difficult

26:47

as it could be for a medium. Member

26:49

to cover a team that doesn't seem to care as much

26:51

but the regular season. It does it really.

26:53

Ultimately, Marissa, you want to avoid a player but it's

26:56

not. Guess what? He can fight your way out of

26:58

it because that's what the he does and so if

27:00

they're healthy at the right time, And. That

27:02

the expectation is that you're sitting at the games

27:04

down. Kevin Love can afford to sit out these

27:06

games at age thirty five because they don't matter.

27:08

But in a month from now when they do,

27:10

they'll be out the for Jimmy Butler deter. Tell.

27:13

Our hero at so bigger question mark with the

27:15

expectation is that he'll be available and of so.

27:18

The. Team will be healthy at just the

27:20

right time when other teams are dealing

27:22

with.of and Mitchell missing time Khris Middleton

27:25

missing types etc Players up and down

27:27

Linus missing time. Because. They've

27:29

gone through the for. Eighty two game

27:31

season. With the idea that those games

27:33

matter, we gotta play them, were playing

27:35

for millions of dollars, etc. The heat

27:38

will be resident the right time and

27:40

as result the heat will be exhibit

27:42

see. Better. This is a

27:44

team that's better that they've been in years past,

27:46

just as other teams in Eastern Conference reprieve. Maybe

27:48

the record doesn't reflect that, but as because of

27:50

other mitigating factors are deeper, they've got more. Players.

27:53

That can contribute at a higher level and

27:55

I think we just haven't seen it all

27:57

tied together at the right time. And that's

28:00

the expectation for the playoffs is is that

28:02

you're going to be able to see a

28:04

team that's led by Jimmy Butler that's healthy

28:06

or that's deeper. Know they've been in the

28:08

past and give it all those different X

28:10

factors. and I haven't even mentioned the possibility

28:12

of Erik Spoelstra. Coaching this team

28:14

to another level that will be seen

28:16

during the regular season and taking away

28:19

whatever strong factors are the our own

28:21

favor of from an opponent opposing team.

28:24

That's. Why You're Miami Heat are

28:26

still and remain legitimate title contenders.

28:29

right? So that's the evidence We've

28:31

had opening arguments in our evidence

28:33

presented. Now. Will go to

28:36

are closing arguments which I.

28:39

Would. Imagine would be hearing the evidence that the

28:41

other person presented and then trying to poke

28:43

holes Net evidence of. Ago. My closing

28:45

arguments and and will get to our final ruling

28:47

Your my closing argument is simply the as I

28:49

hear everything that you just said about Jimmy Butler

28:51

and air exposure. In fact, I agree with you

28:53

better for Stress Expos Restore coach very much in

28:55

his prime. He was the most dominant person on

28:57

the Eastern Conference side of the bracket last year

28:59

and it's why my him heat is why the

29:01

heat and up in the finals maybe even more

29:03

of a reason And the he ended up in

29:05

the finals and Jimmy Butler who after tweaking the

29:07

ankle halfway to the next series just wasn't the

29:10

same player. After. That between

29:12

spell and Jimmy's dominant. Basically.

29:14

Series and a half. And in the

29:16

three point shooting, that's what got my m there. They

29:18

still have Erik Spoelstra. I would argue they don't have

29:21

a major part of that formula anymore. They.

29:23

Don't have that version of Jimmy Butler. He

29:25

has thirty four years old. I

29:27

know that people think that he doesn't care about

29:29

the regular season that is saving himself. I'm telling

29:31

you, I don't know what saving yourself looks like.

29:34

But. I do know it doesn't look at

29:36

just whipping lay ups that you got to

29:38

in the first place. I do know that

29:40

it's not just I'm not going to jump

29:43

very high right now because I'm saving this

29:45

jump for the playoffs. There's real troubling statistical

29:47

evidence for Jimmy Butler's decline at the age

29:49

of thirty four, which should be expected. This.

29:52

Routing numbers by the room have gotten lower. He's

29:54

not dunking as much. Even the free throw attempts

29:56

have been on and off this year and I

29:59

don't want to hear about though the the shading.

30:01

That's not part of it, right? You don't go

30:03

because the officiating from nine and a half hour.

30:05

Nine point nine feet. What free throw attempts to

30:07

for. Before. He got hurt. The

30:09

injuries seem cylinder longer would Jimmy Butler

30:11

then they have even in the past.

30:14

I. Don't know that we can count on

30:16

Jimmy Butler to do what he did in the

30:18

past again after he had done what he's done

30:21

in the past so many times. I think because

30:23

he's had to do so many times. It actually,

30:25

weirdly, In. An inverse way. Affects.

30:28

Him not being able do it again cause it's just

30:30

so much wear and tear on the body. That's.

30:33

Built up from past year so that's my that will

30:35

be my counter argument to your evidence. What about you.

30:38

Or I did that. I have a prepared statement

30:40

for my coronary were little guy. Imagine how I'd

30:42

like to read it out, but I'd also like

30:44

to suggest something a little different. and maybe we're

30:46

changing again the rules of the legal system here.

30:48

Because I don't know that either of us. Are

30:51

equipped to offer a quarter court judgment So

30:53

I were opposed to people if they've gone

30:56

this far in the shower right now that

30:58

they should suggests. The. Winner of

31:00

this or that that a winner been idle

31:02

like of competing necessarily But just what argument

31:05

they found to be more convincing And our

31:07

comments and him and comments on on twitter

31:09

the the social media engage the people there

31:11

them with really what we're representing our and

31:13

the voice of the fandom. hear the voice

31:15

of a different aspect of he fandom you

31:18

know the one It a little bit lesser

31:20

or more bleak perhaps in a more skeptical

31:22

of a miami says rosie. Less.

31:24

Yes, sacrifices. Less. Island

31:26

or less I'm living I

31:29

nancy world Yes If you.

31:34

Are an argument then our area where she certainly

31:36

laid out a convincing argument. I know you're going

31:38

to have only a convincing argument even before you.

31:40

actually that an interesting argument. There's no denying that

31:42

Vi Average Path is a difficult one but that

31:45

again this isn't a team that has ever side

31:47

away from difficult to your challenges and I don't

31:49

expect as this year to be any different. Of

31:51

course that isn't to say that I know Miami

31:54

will get to the finals again or the Jimmy

31:56

will become Michael Jordan or the title here will

31:58

shoot fifty percent from three point. No

32:00

one else, and that's a mighty applies to

32:02

Boston or Milwaukee or New York. Life is

32:05

unpredictable and basketball is no different. Here we

32:07

are in mid March and when the biggest

32:09

sporting events of the country Dnc Double A

32:11

tournament is attested to it, that men and

32:14

women find a way to win. Despite the

32:16

rankings and the history of a topnotch the

32:18

N B A for all of it's professionalism

32:20

is no different. A team with decades of

32:22

winning and talk traffic's can still be beat.

32:25

That history does it matter? The games have

32:27

to be plate and players no matter the

32:29

regular season. Success or their draft pedigreed

32:31

or the individual accolades still come

32:34

up short. Light is unpredictable because

32:36

people are unpredictable. Shots don't fall,

32:38

mistakes are made. The games have

32:40

to be played because the outcome

32:42

is never guaranteed. And that's why

32:44

we watch. That's why we enjoy

32:46

sports. That's what makes basketball so

32:48

great. And that's why the Miami

32:50

Heat have a chance. And sometimes

32:52

because no matter how unlikely, David.

32:55

Beats Goliath Thank you very much. Or

32:58

a. Ah, I'm now time for

33:00

the ruling. We've heard the opening statement,

33:02

the evidence, the closing arguments. Ah, I'm.

33:06

Closing. Statements. Potato.

33:10

I guess it comes down to you and me, but I'm going

33:12

to go to somebody's got to the poll first. So.

33:14

We pulled locked on he listens on a

33:16

twitter account for we started recording. Do.

33:18

You still believe that the He can make a bleak a

33:21

D playoff run. Sixty. Three

33:23

and a half. Percent. Of you.

33:26

Said. Yes, You. Do believe

33:28

that he he can make a deep playoff run.

33:30

So. An overwhelming pretty. I was actually

33:32

surprised coming off of a loss to

33:35

Philadelphia. How many people said yes? You.

33:37

Have the same basis can be fickle. But. That

33:39

of that speech to the belief of this fan base and

33:42

I'm proud of you guys! David.

33:45

That I swear you at all with my argument. Now

33:48

now I've not really that big for lack

33:50

of it's. He. Know. He.

33:53

Truisms. Or even now effectively elated,

33:55

I just. I. Saw think

33:57

that. No matter what. Like. We're

34:00

looking at last your schedule and have

34:02

feel like this conversation is almost verbatim,

34:04

something that we talk about many may

34:06

times. All. Of last year.

34:08

I think you are very consistent saying

34:10

this see might just be very good

34:13

at going into the regulars into the

34:15

post season and going to the playoffs

34:17

and the plan tournament. Excuse me. And.

34:19

Be like I don't know what the hell's going to happen.

34:22

I remember and I'll say this again like

34:24

I had been very positive about the team.

34:26

Almost all your loss a going into the

34:28

play in tournaments. I was in much

34:30

of a believer either. I didn't think at

34:32

that point the be able to get past

34:34

Atlanta that a good be a look at

34:36

pass Chicago I'm was almost got a rooting

34:38

for it Like this team just salt and

34:40

looked tired, tired of one another, tired of

34:42

making the effort, tired of trying and then

34:45

something happens and again that's. For.

34:47

Our our little statistical evidence there is

34:49

the kind of back that up. I

34:51

still believe. In. The ability

34:54

for a team to do the unpredictable

34:56

and that's what makes sports so good.

34:58

You know so far as much as

35:00

of a a good statistical based. He.

35:03

An argument you might have made. People.

35:06

Are still people? and you can't Just you can't break

35:08

it down to just the numbers as much as you'd

35:10

like. I. Thought.

35:13

I. Presented a great argument, Full.

35:15

Of facts. And

35:18

reasons. And. Objective

35:20

Objective it he. And.

35:22

Historical. Precedent.

35:25

And I thought you basically play to

35:28

the emotions and I thought your case

35:30

wasn't very good. I. Had. To.

35:32

Be honest, I. Just

35:34

like. Emotional evidence that doesn't work for

35:36

me, like just appealing to the heart. Appealing

35:38

to my fandom like it's just like you

35:41

said, I'm the cynical fan. the track and

35:43

it's not gonna work on me. That's not.

35:45

That's not the arguing for me. I want

35:47

I want data points. I want reason. Ah,

35:50

And he didn't really present a whole lot of that. That.

35:52

Said. The.

35:54

American quit is t man I

35:56

just I can exploit you back

35:58

and. Yeah, man, I

36:00

know that they haven't been a good team in

36:02

almost a month. I know that they don't have

36:05

a single statement when all season I know that

36:07

the Eastern Conference is going to be. Harder

36:10

than it was last year. And.

36:13

Yet if you really really asked me what

36:15

I what less what do you think is

36:17

gonna happen. And. Enough. I just gave

36:19

you a point blank answer and any interview and anything

36:21

I do. I thought we want ads. I don't think

36:23

the seems very good. I don't really see the evidence

36:25

as to why this team is good. Everybody's going to

36:27

tell you that if you can't count the Miami heat

36:29

out, nobody will tell me why I can count the

36:31

Miami heat in. right? Threat.

36:36

But. In that but if you really really ask

36:39

me. In. A sober moment. And like

36:41

a tracker. Really? truth the moment. Maybe

36:44

that is over moment. I think I might be

36:46

that of yeah maybe actually a little bit less

36:48

is a silver moment I got league. Still believe

36:50

in this team. Ah,

36:52

the answer's yes and I can't A and I

36:54

hate it. I hate it because they haven't given

36:56

me a reason to believe all season long and

36:58

I think that's why the season has been so

37:00

frustrating. A Good: I just want them to give

37:02

me a reason to believe instead of just blind

37:04

belief, which is what we feel like we're acting

37:06

on now. but I still do. But I think

37:08

Erik Spoelstra is by far the best coach in

37:10

the league. I think there is. A.

37:12

Way for Jimmy Butler to turn it back on.

37:15

And. I've seen enough from this. Team

37:18

that when Jimmy is going. And.

37:21

If. He can get back to in all and

37:23

be a level adding ban is better than he

37:25

was last year i think Duncan Oh certainly as

37:27

Caleb is now with playoff experience you have the

37:29

addition of Jaime Hackers junior. Ah, Be

37:32

a terrorist your I think is an upgrade over

37:34

there point guard situation. Last year. Like

37:36

there's ways you could talk yourself into it. And.

37:38

I'm going to just keep on talking myself into it.

37:40

and when the he are playing. Boston.

37:42

Milwaukee or Cleveland in the first round of the

37:45

playoffs. I don't a woman a pic

37:47

because I tend to be a little more cynical

37:49

in my choices. I think epic against the every

37:51

round last year or they did it and they

37:53

made it all where the finals so that. I

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