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1:52

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1:54

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Randall, Alex, the news came down today from

3:05

Adrian Woznerowski officially out for the season. In

3:08

case people missed it, because we came out

3:10

a little late, just because we were initially

3:12

going to do an episode today. I spent

3:15

40 minutes earlier today, breaking down my opinion

3:17

on it. I'm sure I'll have more

3:19

thoughts once you go. I'm a little

3:21

talked out. What was your initial reaction

3:23

to that bit of bad

3:26

news? Obviously,

3:30

disappointed, not

3:34

in Julius, just in the situation. Frustrated,

3:39

I guess. I'm sure he's

3:41

frustrated too. I'm sure that

3:44

it wasn't an easy pill for

3:46

him to swallow clearly or else they wouldn't

3:48

have gone this long trying to get

3:50

things together for him. I

3:55

was really hoping that he would be able to

3:57

give it a go. I always figured that there was a chance. that

4:00

he would give it a go and then he

4:02

might get five minutes into a game and

4:04

then go, nope, I don't think

4:06

this is going to work because I mean, we see the type

4:09

of games that the Knicks are involved in

4:11

lately and it seems like the officiating and

4:13

Knicks games is turning into just

4:15

like pure dogfight all the time.

4:18

And you know, we see the

4:20

giant scratches that like defense Shenzo and Hartenstein

4:22

and everybody else are getting on their arms

4:24

and you know, just the sheer amount of

4:26

physicality that goes on in your average Knicks

4:29

game and you know, having a

4:31

bum shoulder, even if it's your off shoulder and

4:33

trying to go up for rebounds and stuff. I

4:35

mean, guys are going to be getting in there

4:37

and you know, whether they want to admit it

4:39

or not, people would probably be, you know, sort

4:41

of trying to go a little harder against Julius

4:43

Randall, just to test that shoulder out and you

4:45

know, see if you could potentially get him out

4:48

of the game or whatever. You know,

4:51

particularly if you run into certain teams that

4:53

play a little dirtier. So, you

4:56

know, in a way, Miami, I'm coming

5:00

out the cold. Sorry.

5:03

But yeah, I don't know. I guess, I

5:05

guess in the end, you know, I'm glad that

5:08

he's doing what's right for his health for his career. He still

5:10

has a lot of his prime left. I

5:12

know it's disappointing from a fan perspective that

5:15

his last two years, which I would say are probably

5:17

the best two years of his career, you know,

5:20

it's how well he's played last year. And then this

5:22

year, I think he was cruising for another all NBA

5:24

selection potentially was, you know,

5:27

all star for a second time in a row or

5:29

third time in four years. Like,

5:32

I don't know. I mean, I, I wish

5:34

that he would have gotten a chance to sort of redeem

5:36

for the two playoff appearances. They've had one

5:38

in 2021 where, you know, clearly he

5:42

just kind of got outmatched by the fact that like he

5:44

was the only guy that was cooking

5:46

on that next team that made the surprise

5:48

four seed. And then last year, you know,

5:50

comes in coming off of an ankle injury, re-injures

5:53

that ankle and clearly was never the same

5:55

after that gets surgery like three days after the

5:57

playoffs are over. So clearly that was

5:59

a huge issue. during last playoffs and then this

6:02

year isn't able to make it all the way back.

6:04

Yeah, I don't know. I

6:06

think my main thing first was I

6:08

just felt sorry for the guy.

6:10

I feel sorry for the team and I feel sorry

6:12

for us for fans. But mostly I feel sorry for

6:14

Julius Randall. I think that he

6:16

really adjusted well

6:19

to absorb

6:21

the blow of a really, really bad start to

6:23

this year. And if this

6:25

were two years ago and it was 20, 22 to 23, or I'm

6:27

sorry, 20,

6:30

21 to 22, he would have, we saw he

6:32

folded in real time during that season and

6:37

just regressed into bad habits and had the

6:39

thumbs down with the fans and blah,

6:41

blah, blah, and the whole thing. This

6:44

year, he absorbed all of it. He came

6:46

back better and I think was putting together

6:48

a better year than he even had

6:50

last year before he went down when

6:53

he took it from the value of the

6:56

quality of basketball that he was playing at the time that he went

6:58

down. So yeah, I feel

7:00

bad for him. I hope he makes full recovery. I

7:03

assume it's probably a torn labrum or something, which is gonna

7:05

be about a four to six month recovery. So he should

7:08

be ready to go by next season or

7:10

maybe miss his first week or two or something like that,

7:12

which will be no huge loss in

7:15

the grand scheme of things. So yeah,

7:18

I just hope you have a good surgery and a

7:20

speedy recovery at this point. Yeah,

7:22

I mean, you think back to that 2022 offseason

7:24

and how much

7:26

work he put in both physically and

7:28

mentally to bounce back from that.

7:30

Because I mean, the

7:32

first season, we can just run through the

7:35

full timeline. The first season was a disaster.

7:37

The second season was amazing and then it

7:39

ended in disaster. The third season again was

7:41

a disaster. And

7:44

he folded during that

7:46

season to your point, but then he didn't

7:48

fold last year. He was incredible.

7:50

He turned into one of the best three point shooters in basketball.

7:52

He balanced the inside and outside game. And I'm

7:54

sure he felt going into that playoffs or going

7:56

into the last couple games of the season before

7:59

he turned the game. ankle like, all right,

8:01

I'm ready. And like, and I have Jalen Brunson

8:03

to actually take pressure off me. Like I have

8:05

Josh Hart, I have Emmanuel quickly. I have RJ

8:07

Barrett, like I'm, I'm ready to roll. And it

8:10

was this heroic run for the Knicks.

8:12

Um, and, and kind of a peak

8:14

that we hadn't seen this team hit

8:16

since at least 12, 13,

8:18

but that team kind of went out a

8:21

little sad while this team went out like,

8:23

like a great gunslinger, like firing every last

8:25

one of their bullets. Um,

8:28

and Julius, like there was this weird dichotomy. It was

8:30

like, all right, that was a great run. But like,

8:32

again, we were, we spent all off season saying like,

8:34

all right, wasn't the ankle or was it Julius? And

8:36

we, we didn't really know. And like there were all

8:38

the reporting we got to be in the air was

8:40

like, no, like that, like the ankle was like incredibly

8:42

bad. Um, and

8:44

then this year to like even take another step. And

8:46

I, I talked about it a lot on the earlier

8:48

pod, but just in terms of his, his

8:50

processing, um, like rediscovering his inside

8:53

game. And I think maximizing his

8:55

physicality in a way that he

8:57

probably never has. And combining that

8:59

was just a greater understanding of

9:01

the game. And then OGN and

9:03

OB, I think was, was a skeleton key for

9:05

him. And it's a shame that what we got

9:07

14 games of that. And I don't

9:09

think at least at this point, we haven't gotten to

9:12

see the ceiling of that pairing, but like it was,

9:14

it was the first time as a Nick, he had three

9:16

shooters around him, but he was used to RJ Barrett and

9:18

no one guarding him. Mitchell Robinson and no one guarding him

9:20

and playing in just about the toughest

9:22

environment he could be in 2024 from

9:25

a spacing perspective and still excelling. Like it

9:27

makes you think that there's another level for

9:29

him to go to. And to your point

9:31

on him, like, like it being

9:33

a long shot that he was going to come

9:36

back this year. I mean, we, we, we heard

9:38

like earlier in the day, like Chris Haynes reporting

9:40

that Julie's re injured the shoulder, like, like going

9:42

up against like, what, like, like a bag earlier

9:45

this year and just, and just taking a

9:47

hit, um, from a pad, excuse me. Um,

9:49

and he was back to square one. Like

9:51

he, like his main move this year is

9:53

using that right arm as a battering

9:55

ram. Like, how is it going to go? Like in retrospect,

9:57

like I feel a little foolish for thinking like, This

10:00

this is realistic, but you know what corny and Begley

10:02

who's about as reliable on this stuff as it gets

10:04

like the Knicks thought It was realistic as of a

10:06

few weeks ago that he was gonna come back So

10:09

it's a shame feel awful for him

10:11

But I mean the second he suffered that injury

10:13

like I I think I've said it a ton

10:15

on this pod Like the odds of him coming

10:17

back at full strength just seemed like just seem

10:20

minuscule and I'm happy that he's

10:22

not gonna risk Like anything permanent on it

10:25

Yeah, I mean, I think that's the main thing and it's the

10:27

same thing was like the OG on an OB right now It's

10:29

like the Knicks are in

10:31

this position where they're probably about to make

10:33

a long-term investment into both of these guys

10:35

potentially like Julius Randall

10:37

is eligible for a extension. I

10:39

believe this coming offseason as well

10:41

as Jalen Brunson they could

10:43

start negotiating on that then and They

10:46

very well might sign You

10:48

know matching extensions if they really like playing with each

10:50

other that much, you know, like he's

10:53

got a lot Ahead of him, you

10:55

know as far as like the the prime of

10:57

his career He's really just starting to hit it right now

10:59

and has hopefully another three four years of it

11:01

left before you know any

11:03

sort of decline starts in like his 30s and

11:06

then you know same thing with Ojana no be like

11:08

he's got His greatest earning potential

11:10

of his career coming up this this very offseason

11:12

and you know He's looking for a new contract

11:14

and I don't fault the Knicks for like I

11:16

don't follow him if he wants to you know

11:19

Make sure that he's totally good and I don't

11:21

fault the Knicks for wanting to protect their

11:23

investment that they traded to their their You

11:26

know young pieces for to bring here

11:28

and hopefully compete for a championship. So, you

11:30

know, it's all about perspective It would have been nice

11:32

to be able to try to compete for that championship

11:35

this year And I think

11:37

that becomes much less likely now and

11:39

maybe we can kind of lead off the next segment just a

11:41

little bit You know, I have a little bit of a griping

11:44

to do with how the coverage

11:46

was of Randall's injury today from

11:49

some of the local guys, but in

11:52

addition to that, you know, I think we could talk a

11:54

little bit about like Where

11:56

is this team's ceiling? You

11:59

know, is there? Are they still potentially a

12:01

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12:03

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the media coverage first? I think in terms

14:28

of what the new ceiling

14:30

of this team in this game was representative that

14:32

in a world where there's a healthy OG and

14:34

a nobie, I've said this way too much on

14:36

this podcast, but knock on every piece of wood

14:39

in your house and maybe some other houses and

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maybe stroll through Central Park and hit as many

14:43

trees as you can with a healthy OG and

14:45

a nobie, the ceiling of this team is still

14:47

pretty high and may even ultimately be the conference

14:50

finals. But Alex, if you wanted to

14:52

wrap up on how you felt about the coverage.

14:55

Yeah, you know, I think it

14:57

was just an overall annoyance with

15:00

the fact that this news came out and

15:02

then to see that some of

15:04

the people on the beat were nitpicking

15:06

about like, oh,

15:08

like Tibbs lied to us.

15:10

He said that he was progressing or

15:12

whatever. And like the Knicks were saying

15:15

that he wasn't doing contact. And yet

15:17

now there's this report that he did

15:19

do contact once and it like flared

15:21

up the injury. And that's why he never

15:23

came back. Like, I don't know, man, I

15:26

just don't know what these people expect. And you

15:28

know, I saw some of this out of like fans and

15:30

stuff too, a little bit, you know, on like Twitter and

15:32

whatever, just being like, oh, the

15:34

Knicks didn't tell us what was up and blah, blah, blah. And

15:36

I've seen the same thing with the OG on a nobie stuff

15:38

where it's like, I just want

15:40

more, you know, medical information about what's going

15:43

on. And I'm like, I don't

15:45

know, man, I think they've done all

15:47

right. Like I think the Knicks staff has been

15:49

proactive enough for the most part.

15:52

They've been like, they've been

15:54

good about not bringing guys back until they

15:56

feel reasonably sure that

15:58

they can compete at a high level. level and if it

16:01

shows that they're not competing at high level, they

16:03

pull them again and get them ready

16:05

to compete at a high level. And I

16:07

just think it was kind of stupid to nitpick

16:09

over like, Oh, well, Julius is

16:11

now saying that he did one contact drone, it didn't do well.

16:13

So that means that the Knicks were being dishonest again. And this

16:15

is going to be, you know, just another

16:18

one of those things that gets brought up like by

16:20

the beat all summer about like, well,

16:22

this is why we need to talk to Leon Rose

16:24

like every week or whatever, because he would definitely spill

16:26

the beans on all this. And it's like, I just

16:28

don't see that happening at all. So

16:31

yeah, I found that to be a little a little

16:33

annoying today, just at the overall coverage, it's like, Nick's

16:36

fans are just trying to like be sad and

16:38

stuff. And then there's people just going out there

16:40

just being like, whoa, but if

16:43

I had known this like two weeks ago, then

16:45

like, you know, whatever, it's like, well, we would

16:48

have been sad regardless, it doesn't really matter. Like

16:50

the update is the update, you know, whatever, like

16:52

he's getting his surgery. Anyway,

16:55

but so to move to the

16:57

the other question of potential ceiling, and this is

16:59

probably a good way to segue into the

17:02

talk of this game, which is a rousing

17:04

comeback against the Kings here

17:06

120 to 109 against the Kings,

17:09

I will say like if the Knicks do I'm with

17:11

you, like the Knicks managed to get OG back. I

17:14

think there's enough depth on this team. You know,

17:17

obviously, you would love to have a Julius Randall. And

17:19

maybe that's your difference of being a dark horse like

17:21

finals team versus being like a dark horse. I don't

17:24

know, second round conference finals kind of

17:26

team. But regardless, this

17:29

team still just I mean, they play their butts

17:31

off every game. Every time the team

17:33

thinks that they have the Knicks like against the ropes,

17:35

and they can sort of like let off the gas

17:37

a little bit. The Knicks rip off like a few

17:40

steals or whatever they hit a couple threes. Josh

17:42

Hart gets out and transition. And that was really the story

17:44

of this game. He ends with

17:46

a Knicks career high 31 points,

17:50

nine boards, eight assists, another near triple double

17:52

with 30 points to his name. And,

17:54

you know, I think if you add OG on

17:56

an OB to this mix, things

17:59

will be looking pretty good. for the Knicks still. I

18:01

mean, you could then throw out a starting lineup

18:03

where I wonder at this

18:05

point if you would replace Josh

18:07

Hart in the starting lineup with O'Gee Ananobi

18:10

and keep Deuce and D'Vincenzo out there since

18:12

Deuce has been so good. Start with your

18:14

best foot forward on defense, but I don't

18:16

know. There's a lot of different machinations that

18:18

can happen with these lineups. And

18:20

I think the Knicks kind of have a situation

18:23

where they still have a really good team here if

18:25

they're able to get O'Gee Ananobi back and possibly a

18:28

team that can

18:30

make some weird noise in the playoffs. Yeah.

18:32

And we kind of talked about this when

18:35

we had XJ on. It was

18:37

kind of getting into like this was a

18:39

controversial idea at the time, is

18:41

still a controversial idea. But like

18:43

will we get evidence, sans Julius

18:45

Randall, that the Knicks might be

18:48

better replacing him with like a

18:50

two-way high level shooting wing, who

18:52

I at the time presented as

18:54

Paul George, who was not likely

18:56

to be available then because the

18:58

Clippers were like maybe just starting

19:00

to play poorly, but still look

19:02

like a finals contenders now that the Clippers

19:04

are looking like a team that could flame out

19:06

in the first round. And yes, it feels a

19:08

little gross to talk about trading Julius

19:10

like when he's like totally laid his body on the

19:12

line for this team, brought them back from the dead.

19:14

But it is sort of our

19:17

job to have those conversations because the

19:19

Knicks have been extraordinarily good with Jealan

19:22

Brunson and O'Gee Ananobi on the floor and no

19:24

Julius Randall on the floor this year. I mean

19:26

coming before he came back for those three games,

19:29

like I haven't checked it since I should maybe

19:31

I will tomorrow. They were something like plus 45

19:33

per a hundred possessions and it granted in a

19:35

relatively small sample size, but they were much better

19:37

in fact with Brunson and Ananobi than Brunson Randall

19:40

and Ananobi. And what that told me was all

19:42

right. Like Brunson plus spacing like

19:44

is a recipe for incredible success. Brunson plus

19:46

spacing plus defense, I should say. And we

19:48

got some early evidence of that Alex in

19:51

the playoffs last year where they scored the

19:53

ball exceptionally well when Jealan Brunson was on

19:55

the floor and you just had Quentin Grimes

19:58

out there. I mean then they were. disaster

20:00

even when Bronson was on the floor

20:02

but if RJ and Hart were out

20:04

there because in the playoffs as extraordinarily

20:06

good as Jalen Bronson is if he's

20:08

your only option and you

20:10

can just like I

20:12

think shrink the floor around him by not

20:15

having to guard certain Knicks on the perimeter

20:17

you're in trouble and also

20:19

if there's just no one else who's a bailout option

20:21

for Jalen Bronson you're in trouble we saw that against

20:23

the heat over and over again as RJ Barrett kind

20:25

of faltered a bit as an offensive force that series

20:27

went on Julius was nowhere close to 100% this

20:30

Knicks offense bogged down and I guess

20:32

my question to you is and my

20:34

question just for the world is like

20:36

is this team different from

20:38

that and obviously OG helps a lot as someone

20:41

who's a big-time shooter and someone who like not

20:43

to a Julius Randall extent but can kind of

20:45

create his own shot Dante can sort of create

20:47

his own shot Hart is maybe a little bit

20:49

better at that deuce is better than Grimes offensively

20:52

and like seems to be a better shooter um

20:55

will this hold up under the glare

20:57

of the postseason because I think when

20:59

things slow down you need someone who

21:01

can just go get buckets can just

21:03

go make tough shots that was Julius

21:05

Randall ideally that would be Bojan Bogdanovich

21:07

he might just not be good enough defensively

21:09

to justify that kind of time all that is

21:11

a long-winded way of saying Alex this offense is

21:13

not faltered without Julius will that change in the

21:16

playoffs and and maybe you get into tonight's game

21:18

a little bit in terms of getting some answers

21:20

on that yeah and you

21:22

know I think I

21:24

think I'm with you like they do still maybe

21:26

need that other presence that can just

21:29

go get you a bucket and I

21:31

still think it's Bogdanovich honestly and I

21:33

thought in this game he did a good job of

21:36

proving like hey maybe I'm worth putting a

21:38

few more minutes into like I think he's

21:40

made some sort of well not

21:43

the smartest plays you know he hasn't made that

21:45

like you know the best plays

21:47

every single time he's out there which you

21:50

know will lead to getting benched under Tibbs a

21:52

lot of the time if he feels like you're

21:54

turning the ball over unnecessarily or anything but I

21:56

thought for the most part he he played

21:58

a solid game provided the offensive punch that

22:00

this team needed a couple of

22:02

times when Brunson was on the bench. And

22:05

it just and

22:07

especially like in the first half when the Knicks were behind, like he

22:09

was kind of one of the only guys that could score for a

22:12

minute there. So I feel

22:14

like he might be the key and we sort of

22:17

thought he was the key when they brought him over

22:19

from Detroit, like back when that trade first went down,

22:21

we were like, Oh, well, this,

22:24

this is good of an injury, you know, insurance

22:26

policy on Randall as you can get potentially, because

22:28

this is like a bona fide 20 point

22:31

per game score that you could throw out there. I still

22:34

think I think they just unfortunately need on an

22:36

OB back to try

22:38

that, because I do really think that there is a

22:40

world where you could play a lineup of like, Bronson,

22:44

Dante, Bogdanovich,

22:46

OG, and then either I heart or Mitch. I

22:49

was gonna ask, could you could you see

22:51

them ever closing with that? Like, it's just

22:53

so tough for me to imagine Tibbs going

22:55

with bogey over hard. But honestly, like in

22:57

certain matchups, like that's what I would close

22:59

with, because you have enough offense, and you're

23:01

kind of just hoping like between OG and

23:03

Hardenstein or OG and Mitch, like you have

23:05

enough defense to insulate too bad

23:07

defenders. Yeah, and and you'd have Dante

23:09

who's like an above average, or you could throw deuce

23:11

out there. I mean, if deuce is having a good

23:13

game, you know, potentially throw him out there have three

23:16

really good defenders on the floor. I

23:18

think you could I think that could work. I mean,

23:20

I don't know, but maybe I'm idealistic. And

23:24

I just love slow paced

23:26

methodical old man offense from Bogdanovich.

23:28

But I think it could work.

23:30

I think we should we should table this

23:33

for just a sec though. But we still

23:35

have not really given Josh

23:37

Hard as flowers yet in this game. And

23:40

we haven't talked about Jalen Bronson at all 35 points

23:43

11 assists Dante Di Vincenzo 21

23:45

points, five boards in this game

23:47

five three pointers made to continue his

23:50

amazing three point shooting seasons. There's lots

23:52

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26:20

Alex, it was a shame that the

26:23

Julius Randall news came out

26:25

today because this game was worthy

26:27

of a classic Alex and Gavin

26:29

55 minute podcast

26:31

where we maybe get yelled at by our

26:33

bosses after and it would have

26:35

been worth it. Who knows maybe it'll still happen. We got

26:38

time here. But this was

26:40

a gutty, gutty, gutty win for

26:42

your New York Knicks. The

26:44

Kings came out on fire with some like

26:47

and the Kings as much as the Knicks

26:49

are desperate to maneuver in the East. The

26:51

Kings are currently in the play in out

26:53

west. That is like an

26:55

insane race and they were mad

26:57

after the Knicks held them to their lowest point

27:00

total at home in the last two seasons since

27:02

the start of this era and they came out

27:04

just kicking the Knicks butt up and down the

27:06

court. It got up to 35 to 20 on

27:08

a transition pull up three for De'Aaron Fox who

27:10

had like fire shooting out of his butt. I've

27:12

said butt way too many times. I gotta talk

27:14

to my therapist about that. Maybe I'm better help.

27:18

And there was seven of nine from

27:20

three in the first quarter. The

27:22

Knicks at the same point were just one

27:24

for six. It was

27:26

a disastrous start. I was mad because Tom

27:28

Vibido was playing Precious Achewah and Mitchell Robinson

27:31

out there which I know worked the first

27:33

game against the Raptors. I am not a

27:35

fan of it. I just think that is

27:37

a spacing disaster

27:39

masterclass from Tom Vibido.

27:42

If you play those two, particularly without Jalen Brunson,

27:45

you're just not going to score points consistently. It

27:47

got all the way up to a 21 point

27:49

lead for the Kings. Trey Lyles was hot. Daveon

27:52

Mitchell was hot. The Knicks backcourt in the first

27:54

half. 38 points. 14 to 28 from two. 8

27:57

to 10 from three. Keon Ellis,

27:59

I didn't know. who he was until he

28:01

was on my fantasy basketball team two weeks ago

28:03

when I got desperate. He was making everything. A

28:05

16-2 Knicks run, got them back into it after

28:08

they were 21. Big up

28:10

taking defense, big up taking rebounding, got Jaylen Hart and

28:12

Ihart back on the floor, carried over into the second

28:14

half. The Knicks were forcing a bunch of turnovers. But

28:16

Alex, every time the Knicks got close, like they would

28:18

cut it to either six, five, or four, the Kings

28:21

just seemed to make a shot and just felt like

28:23

one of those games where the Knicks were going to

28:25

run out of gas and you're going to say, all

28:27

right, this is just a horrific stretch. I

28:29

might not have even showed up to do the

28:32

show tonight. And yet the ever resilient Knicks found

28:34

a way. It combined 87 points

28:36

and 20 assists for the Villanova trio. And

28:38

we got to start off talking about Josh

28:40

Hart. Yeah. I mean, I thought that

28:42

he was just the catalyst for

28:44

the team in this one. I mean, really

28:47

I think the biggest stretch was there

28:49

was a stretch in, I want to say

28:51

it was the third or early fourth quarter where

28:54

it seemed like every possession was Josh

28:57

just getting out and transition. And you

28:59

know, it was just one time he

29:01

sprays it out to Dante in the corner. Another

29:03

time he takes it straight into the TCD finishes

29:06

with a nice easy layup. Another time kicks

29:08

it out to Jaylen Brunson. It's like, he

29:11

just had his best like

29:14

sense of what to do with the

29:16

ball in this game. Like he was

29:18

the best possible version of himself where

29:21

he was making the right call on what

29:23

shots to take. He was making the right call on

29:25

what passes to make. And really

29:27

a lot of it just had to do

29:29

with that transition. You know, the pushing and

29:32

transition, the, you know, getting the

29:34

break started, understanding like, Hey,

29:36

conventional means aren't necessarily working right now. Like

29:38

the Kings were sending, especially early, they were sending

29:40

a lot at Jaylen Brunson. Like they were

29:42

sending a lot of double coverages. You

29:44

know, they're trying to trap him like right

29:46

at the center court line, you know, before

29:48

he could get over and, you know, get

29:50

the offense going. They put

29:52

Key on Ellis on him, who's a solid defender

29:55

and has been really proving himself lately. If not

29:57

him, they had Davion Mitchell on him. really

30:00

good defender. Like they were trying to throw

30:03

different looks at him and, you know, make him

30:05

uncomfortable all night. So you needed someone else to

30:07

kind of like step up a bit. And,

30:09

you know, look, Brunson also stepped up himself. He had

30:11

35 points and like, really

30:14

killed it to end this game and put this game

30:16

on ice for the Knicks. But Hart

30:18

was the one that sort of like dragged

30:20

them back, you know, that like the car

30:22

was breaking down and Hart just like grabbed

30:25

a rope and pulled it up the hill, you know, until

30:28

they reached a point where they could just put

30:30

it in neutral and cruise to victory,

30:32

you know. Damn, that was really good.

30:35

I was good. I was really impressed because I don't have a

30:37

driver's license. So I was like, I couldn't have done that one.

30:39

That was that was an Alex exclusive. There we go. Luckily,

30:42

I've never had to pull a car up a hill. I

30:45

guess I guess that technically I'm more qualified to

30:47

do that than actually drive a car. So maybe

30:49

I should have got an analogy. But yeah, at

30:51

any rate, I think Josh Hart deserves all

30:53

the credit for this win. I mean, you know, just for being

30:56

the one that got the Knicks back into this and, you

30:58

know, not only was it the, the, you

31:00

know, the, the getting out in transition, but

31:02

like the defense was good too. We had

31:04

a couple of key steals that led to

31:07

transition opportunities. Just

31:09

everything that he was doing was honestly perfect in

31:11

this game. And he did

31:13

all of it without taking a single three,

31:15

which is maybe the craziest thing

31:17

because often his best games are when he finally just

31:19

decides to start pulling from three. And

31:21

yet in this one, he just did it by pacing

31:24

things out by making good passes,

31:26

by getting all the way to the hoop

31:28

and by unleashing his mid range game, which

31:30

at its best is deadly

31:32

at its worst is super ugly. But in

31:34

this game was super deadly. So yeah,

31:37

just a really awesome game for Josh Hart all around.

31:40

Yeah, I thought, and this is weird to say in

31:42

a game where he doesn't shoot at three, but it

31:44

felt like maybe his most confident game I've seen him

31:46

play all season or in the mix from it. Like

31:48

he was just so aggressive from

31:50

the get go and, and, and

31:52

maybe like to go back to

31:54

his quote earlier this week, where he sort of told us

31:56

about Julius Randall before we officially knew about Julius Randall, and

31:59

hopefully was not. actually telling us about O.G.

32:01

and a no before we actually know about O.G.

32:03

and a no be, but like it felt like

32:05

he was like, all right, like Julius is out.

32:07

OGs out like it's Jalen's team, but after him,

32:10

like this is my team and I'm, I'm ready

32:12

for it like, like that first assist he had

32:14

to Isaiah Hardenstein, where he was just kind of

32:16

thriving left at the last second, kind of like,

32:19

like pinned his head back and just whipped it to

32:21

I heart under the basket. That was

32:23

really nice. Um, like was had a couple

32:25

of different pump fakes for blow bys and dunks

32:27

or layups in the first quarter. Um, just some

32:29

incredible pushes. Like you referenced this one, but that

32:31

past to diva and Chenzo, one of his better

32:34

transition pass of the year, we just sucked in

32:36

the defense. It is ability to like at the

32:38

last second. It's almost like a Derek Jeter s

32:40

throw. I know. I know you don't love that

32:42

reference. Alex, sorry. Um, to just like spray it

32:44

out to the perimeter to diva. That was, that

32:46

was beautiful. Like had a nasty up and under

32:48

and one to start the fourth. Like it was

32:51

Brunson to I heart to heart cutting through the

32:53

rim. Those guys had a bunch of just like

32:55

three man sequences that were great. Um, just tough

32:57

shot making like hitting insane turnaround jumper with the

32:59

shock clock dwindling, that was, that was at a

33:01

point where he had five straight points as part

33:03

of a 13 oh run for the Knicks. That

33:05

one made it one or two to 95 and

33:08

then just over and over again in the fourth.

33:10

I thought this was so smart. I, I, I

33:12

want, I, I didn't see the quotes after the

33:14

game. I don't know. This is Tom Fibido's call.

33:16

Jalen Brunson's call or hearts call, but just having

33:18

heart screen for Brunson. They were trapping Brunson just

33:20

like they did the first game over and over

33:22

again. And you could have Brunson at 13 points

33:24

in the fourth quarter. Mike Brown was like, not today,

33:27

my friend and literally anyone else. And like, all right,

33:29

we're going to Josh Hard is cooking right now and

33:31

heart just over and over again, like took that easy

33:33

four or five foot push shot right out of Isaiah

33:35

Hardenstein's book, made it again and again. Um, it just

33:37

felt like the Knicks couldn't miss in the fourth quarter.

33:39

At one point they hit 10 straight shots. There's a

33:41

lot of Josh hard, but it's also a lot of

33:43

Jalen Brunson. Yeah. And Brunson

33:45

himself had a fantastic game as well. I

33:48

mean, I don't know. I kind of feel

33:51

like I'm starting to almost run out of things to save

33:53

on him on an, on a night to night basis, because

33:55

we just go over all of it so often, but like,

33:58

you know, such a ho hum 35. five

34:00

points and 11 assists from him. Like the

34:03

scoring was just fantastic. I thought that really,

34:06

what I liked the most out of him in this game was

34:08

that he did a good job of identifying. I

34:11

mean, this is nothing new for him again, but

34:13

like did a really good job of

34:15

identifying, the Kings trying multiple things to try to

34:17

get in his head and not

34:19

letting any of them affect him. They're

34:22

trying to trap him at the

34:24

mid court line sometimes. And then throwing the

34:27

doubles at him. And then sometimes just putting

34:29

really good single coverage on him and making

34:31

him adjust to that. He

34:35

just pulled out every move that he has and

34:37

managed to get all the way inside. And that's probably

34:40

the one place where you could sort of take advantage

34:42

of this Kings team. And I thought he was smart

34:44

to exploit that. And

34:47

the whole team was honestly, was the ability

34:49

to get inside on this team. Like they

34:51

don't have that strong, the

34:53

super strong defensive presence on the inside,

34:56

the Knicks have with like Hartenstein or Mitchell or whatever.

34:59

Sabonis is fantastic obviously, and having

35:01

a really, really great year and

35:04

maybe should be all NBA. But

35:07

like, I mean, he's just not like

35:09

a big time defensive anchor. And I

35:11

think it was smarter than Knicks to

35:13

kind of exploit that throughout this game,

35:16

including Jalen Brunson. So

35:18

yeah, the

35:20

man continues to boggle the mind, but

35:23

had just another fantastic game in

35:25

a long list of them this year. Yeah, I

35:27

mean, to your point, like I wrote in my

35:29

notes and I highlighted it to just to tell

35:31

everyone how stupid I am. I wrote like halfway

35:33

through, doesn't seem like himself not having much of

35:35

an impact on offense. And even

35:37

the fourth quarter, we had 13 points. Like

35:41

the one shot that really stood out to me

35:43

was the deep three over a double team to make

35:45

it 105 95. Like that

35:48

was just a gutty shot. Like him saying

35:50

to De'Aaron Fox, I thought

35:52

clearly outplayed him through three quarters. Like I'm

35:54

here, like I'm the best point guard in

35:56

this game. Let's go. Like none of it

35:58

felt that hard in the. fourth quarter, like

36:00

we've seen games this year, like where, like the way I

36:02

was raises, like you see the effort from him, like, you

36:05

didn't really feel like that. Like he had that, that

36:07

slick, like blindside steal and some bonus where he let

36:09

Davion fly by and then got a jam. That was

36:11

nice. Like some really nice finishes. Like got the, and

36:13

one to, to finally give the Knicks a lead after

36:16

they were down 95 94. Um, and, and,

36:18

and that was the same point they were against the heat

36:20

yesterday. Instead of falling off after the big comeback, like that

36:23

was kind of the inflection point to me in this game.

36:25

Like it was, it was, I think literally the same scores

36:27

against the heat. They had to come back by even more

36:29

points. Like, were they going to fall off again or were

36:31

they going to find another gear? And Jalen said like, just

36:33

like not tonight and gotten an and one there, like

36:36

a one on one on key analysis at a

36:38

running banker, I got a huge steal to set

36:40

up another back at like basket, a lefty like

36:42

runner after crossing away from a double team, like

36:45

in that a transition layup, like it

36:47

just didn't look that hard. And that's

36:49

a testament to how good Jalen Brunson

36:52

is at this point. Um,

36:54

before we go to do so, like, I just

36:56

wanted to echo you on bogey because um, you

36:58

weren't on the last one, Alex, but like, I

37:00

thought that heat game was, was maybe the best

37:03

game he played as a Nick. Like I know, I

37:05

know the, was it the Wizards or the Rock? It

37:07

was the Rockets game where he was just scalding hot, but

37:09

in terms of stakes, like, like, especially because he'd been

37:11

so bad and it felt like Tim was on the

37:13

brink of being like, all right, this just isn't working.

37:15

Like I'm not even going to play this guy in

37:17

the playoffs and just the big shots.

37:19

And I mean, when the Knicks got down by 19,

37:22

he immediately ripped off five straight points. Like he paid

37:24

off, um, like a great like

37:26

Devo deuce sequence. Um, that sounds like Devo

37:28

taking a crap, um, by hitting a huge

37:30

three, um, to open the fourth quarter. Um,

37:32

and then like him and Mitch, like already

37:34

like a little bit of chemistry, like I've

37:36

been Mitch D H O hit like a

37:38

nice side step, like pause, Mitty jumper, like

37:40

early in the fourth to again, cut the

37:42

lead down a little. Like I love the

37:45

lineup. Like the Knicks went with the start

37:47

the fourth. It was deuce Dante,

37:50

Bojan Mitch. And I'm trying, maybe heart was

37:52

the fit. It might've been all the starters,

37:54

but Bojan, instead of Brunson, like I,

37:57

I dug that. I hope the Knicks can get back to that. I

37:59

think if they get OJ. G back they'll be able to

38:01

go to that a little bit more but insulating

38:03

him with like tertiary offense and the two Robinson

38:05

like That feels like a lineup designed to

38:07

make bogey sing and I like

38:09

second straight game Like he's looking like someone who should

38:12

play playoff minutes for the Knicks Alex I don't know

38:14

like what was there one or two guys you wanted

38:16

to wrap up on Yeah,

38:18

I mean we should probably just shout out

38:20

Dante DiVincenzo his usual brand of excellent shooting

38:23

21 points five and nine from three.

38:26

I Thought that he had a I

38:28

mean look he just did what he does best I

38:30

like it I like his game best when he's mostly

38:33

just taking those spot-up shots and just lacing them

38:35

because like You know that

38:37

that's what you need out of him And you

38:39

know, it's good to see that he was just

38:42

doing that pretty much the whole game I thought

38:44

deuce did a really nice job like it started

38:46

off really cold but recovered nicely and it with

38:48

12 points Four boards three assists. I

38:50

thought what was most impressive was that and they

38:52

misspoke on this I take on the TNT broadcast

38:54

I think they called it his fifth foul, but

38:57

he got his fourth foul early in the

38:59

third quarter and then Played

39:03

most of the rest of the game I mean

39:06

played 43 minutes once again

39:08

in this game played most

39:10

the rest of the game guarding De'Aaron

39:12

Fox and not fouling him Which

39:15

is very impressive, you know, and

39:17

and I just liked that out of

39:19

deuce I like that he is a Smart

39:21

enough defender to know when to take chances and when to

39:23

just lay off and just do the best you can Given

39:26

a tough situation and I thought it

39:28

was in that way sort of a statement game for him Yeah,

39:32

I I was impressed with Dante as well Like just

39:34

just a few plays that really I mean hit two

39:36

big threes in that a no run after it felt

39:38

like the Kings We're gonna run it like the Kings

39:40

got it right at the start of the second half

39:42

to 68 54

39:45

it was kind of a disastrous start to the second half and then

39:48

he helped drag the Knicks back in it there Brunson

39:51

had a nice deal of just tapping

39:53

a pass forward and then Dante through

39:56

this just ridiculous like 40 foot underhand

39:59

pass on a rope to Josh Hart

40:01

for a dunk. Like I feel like like for

40:03

the NBA, that's just not a crazy pass, but

40:06

for anyone who's played pickup their whole life, like

40:08

and understands how big an NBA court is relative

40:10

to most pickup courts, like, you know, that's just

40:12

ridiculous and like he just, he just made it

40:15

look so easy. And then one of my favorite

40:17

shots of the season for him was him just

40:19

putting Sasha Vazenkov in, in a blender and then

40:21

nailing a step back three to tie it at

40:24

84. Right after that,

40:26

three free throws for the lead had like

40:28

a nasty up and under off of Jalen

40:30

Brunson inbounds like later on in the fourth, like his finishing

40:32

is there so much better and like that five game stretch

40:34

we put a 27 a game is clear he's more confident

40:36

in now. I wasn't as high on Deuce. I didn't think

40:38

it was a great game for him. I mean, Darren fought

40:41

like at times he played really good defense, but Fox was

40:43

just cooking him a little bit. I

40:45

continue to be well,

40:47

first of all, shout out to Isaiah Hardin great

40:49

passing game, like it's basically three assists, like right

40:51

to start this game. That was awesome. I

40:54

want to finish up on Mitch because I continue

40:57

to be sort of fascinated watching him where it's

40:59

clear, like the timing, the rhythm just isn't

41:01

quite there. The free throw shooting

41:03

is just disastrous and I don't,

41:05

I don't totally know what happened with

41:08

that Alex. Like, if you remember, like remember his,

41:10

um, his first season in the league,

41:12

like and obviously he didn't, he didn't play like

41:15

a ton, but he played 66 games that year

41:17

shot, shoot free throws a game. He came into

41:19

the NBA as a 60% free throw shooter and

41:21

literally every single year it's gotten worse, 56.8, 49.1,

41:23

48.6, 48.4 all the way down to 37 this

41:25

year. And

41:30

I wish someone could explain that to

41:32

me because that is like, there's

41:34

a world where like they're playing precious at you over him

41:36

and that'd be a shame. But you could see the impact

41:38

his offensive remounting made. You could see the impact

41:41

he had at the rim on De'Aaron Fox. Like

41:43

at one point, the bonus got spooked because they

41:45

put Mitch in for Hartenstein when some others are

41:47

just going at Hartenstein. So that's, that's going to

41:49

be one of the biggest things I'm watching the

41:51

rest of the season. Yeah,

41:53

I don't know. I don't know what it is that

41:55

makes him not shoot free throws well. If it's just

41:57

like a pressure thing, if it's a. like

42:00

I don't know, but yeah, I'm with you.

42:02

I mean it's it's never gets

42:06

Never seems to get better It seems like you know

42:08

You'll go through like a week where it seems like

42:10

Mitch sort of is getting it or even half of

42:12

the game You know where he'll shoot like three or

42:14

four and you're like remember that have him like he

42:16

made the or was it a heat Where he made

42:18

four in a row 10? Yeah, I'm like that Yeah

42:21

so I mean you see occasional stretches where it looks like

42:23

it works and the form looks good and whatever and then

42:26

He'll just go back to just climbing it off back rim

42:28

every single time and they use that seems to be the

42:30

spot most of the Time is it will climb it off

42:32

the back room there. I don't know But

42:35

yeah, I'm with you like this, you know,

42:37

he's still figuring things out and obviously he's you know

42:40

Just getting back from like another absence, you know,

42:42

so like Things are

42:44

still clearly a little shaky with the ankle and whatever

42:47

I'm willing to give it at least another week and just

42:49

see if he keeps, you know getting acclimated But I certainly

42:52

would love to see the free throw shooting get better I

42:54

just don't think it's gonna happen at this point and I

42:57

think basically all it does to me is just solidify

42:59

that Like Isaiah Hartenstein is gonna be the guy Starting

43:02

and closing playoff games at this point. Mitch is probably gonna

43:04

come in and spell him for 15 to 20 minutes and

43:09

You know what? That's fine. Like there's still potential

43:11

for him to do more like next year potentially

43:13

whatever but for now I just think that's

43:15

what makes us seem the best at

43:17

this particular moment in time The

43:20

cabin I think that's all I got unless you had anything

43:22

else to add I think we can wrap up this episode

43:25

of locked on Knicks There's

43:27

chance we might do a

43:29

Saturday morning episode for the the

43:31

Bulls game There's also chance

43:33

we might just save it for Monday So we'll

43:36

kind of play that one by ear if anything

43:38

spectacular happens Maybe we'll put out a Saturday episode.

43:40

Otherwise, we'll probably see you guys early next week

43:43

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