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by play broadcaster. And this, this

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was not my favorite performance from

1:39

the New York Knicks. If an understandable one,

1:41

a 113 to a hundred loss to the

1:43

Denver Nuggets, the Knicks got a close lead

1:45

in this game at 12 to two run

1:48

in the fourth quarter to cut the deficit

1:50

to 90 to 88. They

1:52

couldn't tie the game. They could not take the lead. The

1:55

Nuggets end on a 23 to 12 run. close

2:00

things out and this was

2:02

ultimately after three gritty

2:05

wins to start the West Coast

2:07

trip. No OG Ananobi

2:09

in this game. This was not

2:11

only an understandable loss. I would go so far

2:13

as to call it an acceptable loss for the

2:16

New York Knicks. I know no one in that

2:18

locker room believes that. I know Tom Fivita doesn't

2:20

believe that. I know Jaylen Bronson doesn't believe that.

2:22

They probably thought down the stretch of this one

2:24

it was ultimately a winnable game but it was

2:26

one that the Knicks were

2:28

in despite the fact they really

2:30

had no business being in it.

2:33

I talked a lot earlier this

2:35

season about all the different times

2:37

it felt like the Knicks were

2:39

just completely outmatched from a size

2:42

perspective. It felt like that a little bit

2:44

on night one against the Boston Celtics. Their

2:46

second game of the season against the Pelicans.

2:48

I thought it stood out even more where

2:50

the Knicks were just dreadful offensively. Brandon Ingram

2:52

was just raining shots over the top of

2:54

whichever defender was unlucky enough to have a

2:56

try at him. The offensive

2:58

rebounding. The Knicks were getting a taste of

3:00

their own medicine with Yona's found Tunis and

3:03

their front line. It was demoralizing

3:06

for a team that was a

3:08

year off of just bullying the

3:10

Cleveland Cavaliers. All of a sudden,

3:13

Santhobi top and they just felt

3:15

too small. Then they completely corrected

3:17

that in one brilliant trade for

3:20

OG Ananobi. All of a sudden,

3:23

the Knicks were once again back to

3:25

being the bully. Whenever Ananobi has been on

3:27

the court, despite no Mitchell

3:30

Robinson for two-thirds

3:32

of the season now, the

3:34

Knicks have dictated the physicality

3:36

of every game. It's impossible

3:38

not to think back to

3:40

that 38-point win

3:42

over Denver right before the injuries

3:44

started coming in with Randall

3:47

on the court, with Ananobi on the court.

3:49

If that wasn't the apex of

3:52

this next season, it was right around

3:54

that time. I probably would call that

3:56

when the apex of the next season,

3:58

how they just physically dominated

4:00

Denver across the board. And then

4:03

to flash from that to

4:05

today, where there's no Randall, there's

4:08

no Ananobi and Mitchell Robinson is close,

4:10

but he is not quite back yet.

4:13

And it just

4:15

sort of looked like a college team playing a high

4:17

school team and have the A team playing a high

4:20

school team. It was the

4:22

same comparisons I was using earlier in the

4:24

year where you saw Michael Porter Jr. I

4:26

don't know if this was the Nadir of

4:28

his matchup with Dante

4:31

DiVincenzo, but the lob off the backboard

4:33

for the dunk, that had to be

4:35

pretty close. All

4:37

in all in this one,

4:40

MPJ, he finished 13-16 from

4:42

the field, 31 points, and he just looked completely

4:49

unaffected. It was borderline as if

4:51

he wasn't being guarded up there.

4:54

Probably every time he shot, it was with

4:57

a clear line of vision. And you can't

4:59

blame Dante for that. He's what he's giving

5:01

up five, six inches in that matchup for

5:03

a guy who can rise and fire and

5:05

has a high release. But

5:08

that was, that was only the start. I

5:10

mean, the offensive rebounding early in this game

5:13

is the nugget scored their first 10 points

5:15

in the paint. Jamal Murray was doing the

5:17

exact same thing to do. So where he

5:19

was either rating jumpers over him or just

5:21

corralling his own misses and putting it back.

5:23

Jokic, I mean, Precious Achewa, bless

5:25

his heart, had zero chance to get to him.

5:27

The only time they were able to somewhat contain

5:30

Jokic was when

5:32

Isaiah Hartenstein, who was fantastically into that

5:34

in just a sec, was in the ballgame.

5:37

Aaron Gordon was just playing volleyball off

5:39

the rim. It

5:41

was a testament to what makes this

5:43

next team special that despite all that,

5:45

like they were in this ballgame. And

5:48

early on, it was because Jalen Brunson

5:50

and Isaiah Hartenstein were both absolutely

5:52

brilliant. Brunson finished this

5:55

one with 26 points, nine assists,

5:57

two rebounds, Hartenstein 20 8-10

6:01

shooting, 8 rebounds, 3 assists,

6:03

2 blocks, 1 steal,

6:06

awesome across the board. And

6:08

Bronson in particular, his

6:11

ability to string out the double teams,

6:14

the way the Nuggets often play, they've

6:16

added some stylistic diversity into their defense.

6:18

But what they like to do is

6:20

use Nikola Jokic in drop and Bronson

6:22

just expertly was able to string that

6:25

out and then just repeatedly find Isaiah

6:27

Hartenstein in heavy traffic, the Nuggets a

6:29

lot of credit, they cleaned that up

6:31

in the second half and had the

6:33

lowman rotate over and were

6:35

able to muck it up just enough that Bronson

6:38

couldn't really dominate them that way in

6:40

the second half. But in the first

6:42

half, Bronson's passing was

6:44

a sight to behold. I thought despite the 9 assists

6:46

in this game, it's just a crazy number from 7

6:49

of them in the first half. I

6:51

was going to say one of the better passing

6:53

games on the year for Bronson. I'll be a

6:55

little more conservative and say it was one of

6:57

the better passing halves we have seen on the

6:59

season for Jalen Bronson just over and over again.

7:02

Like the speed he's able to get on the ball and

7:04

despite the fact that they were putting a lot of length

7:07

on him and I think counting on that length

7:09

to affect his ability to deliver on those

7:11

passes even if he could see them. I

7:14

mean the one that stood out to me was

7:16

like left wing jumps up, looks middle as if

7:18

he's just going to whip it to the top

7:20

of the perimeter and just fired a laser to

7:22

Hartenstein under the rim for a dunk. And it's

7:25

reminiscent of some of the passes Nikola Jokic throws.

7:27

Of course the difference is Jokic is a 7

7:29

footer and can see over the top while Bronson

7:31

has to jump as high as he possibly can

7:33

in the air, contort himself to a weird angle

7:35

to wrap it around the arms of the defense

7:38

and then laser it. I mean the

7:40

degree of difficulty for Jalen Bronson was

7:43

just ridiculous. There's no other

7:45

way to put it mixed in some nice

7:47

scoring as well. And I heart return the

7:49

favor. They had this beautiful give and go

7:51

in the third quarter where

7:54

he just threaded it between Jokic

7:56

and KCP. Bronson, we've seen

7:58

him. It's kind of

8:00

a new outlet on this Knicks offense

8:03

with Isaiah Hartenstein starting, but I think they're

8:05

going to it more than ever with no

8:07

Randall and no Ananobi because they just need

8:09

more ways to create offense and they need

8:11

ways to create offense without putting a disproportionate

8:13

burden on Jalen Brunson. And

8:15

they found it with Brunson running the

8:17

two man game with Hartenstein and cutting

8:19

off the ball and I heart's ability

8:21

to just find

8:23

these passes that aren't really

8:25

open, but squeeze them

8:28

in anyways. He doesn't get the types of

8:30

passes that in the Kola, Yokich does one

8:32

because Yokich is a one of one and

8:34

is the greatest passing big man of all

8:36

time, but also because Yokich has this incredible

8:38

gravity as a scorer and I heart, despite

8:40

the fact that he had a really nice

8:42

game scoring the basketball, like he's never going

8:45

to draw that kind of attention. Like, and

8:47

he's not going to draw double teams. And

8:50

because of that, the passes have a

8:52

much higher degree of difficulty and he's

8:54

still able to pretty consistently pull them

8:56

off. I want to talk about

8:58

what a hub he has become and how

9:00

that has changed the

9:02

Knicks offense for the better, especially relative to what

9:04

he did early in his career on

9:07

the New York Knicks and a little bit more

9:09

about Jalen Brunson scoring before getting into some other

9:11

guys. So we'll talk about that in just a

9:13

sec here on locked on Knicks. All

9:15

right. So a little bit more on

9:18

Hartenstein and Brunson, um, typical really impressive scoring

9:20

game for Jalen Brunson. I did think he

9:22

faded down the stretch a little bit of

9:25

this one. He didn't quite have the impact

9:27

in the fourth quarter that you'd want. And

9:30

in pursuit of another big

9:32

night, we saw the free throws at such a

9:34

high rate in Portland where he made 15 of

9:36

them. And then we saw the threes going against

9:38

the Kings. Um, last night didn't

9:40

really have either of them two for seven from

9:43

distance, just two for three from the wide. And

9:45

I think in that sense, the Nuggets

9:47

did a nice job of stopping him from

9:49

being hyper efficient. Again, the way they were

9:51

able to guard him is not the way

9:53

you're able to guard him when an Ananobis

9:55

on the court, when a

9:57

Randall's on the court, but it gives.

9:59

gives you an idea of how good

10:02

Jalen Brunson is at this point that

10:04

26 points at nine assists on near

10:06

50% shooting counts

10:09

as keeping him in check. And I think

10:11

Denver, like, especially starting with the second half

10:13

of this game, they gambled like, all right,

10:15

if we, if we throw those doubles at

10:18

him, if we take away the most obvious

10:20

pass to a roller and Isaiah Hartenstein, we're

10:23

going to limit this guy just enough to win this

10:25

ballgame. And that, that is ultimately what they did. Like

10:27

he had, he had some good moments in the second

10:29

half, like that give and go like totally tore up.

10:32

I can't remember his KCP or if it was Reggie

10:34

Jackson on like a behind the back freeze, freeze your

10:36

defender and then stamped

10:39

it with an elbow jumper. Like Brunson was

10:41

great in this game. Like it's no shade

10:43

on Jalen, but they did enough

10:45

against him. And I think that is going to

10:47

be the model for the teams in the playoffs.

10:49

All right. Stop the threes. Don't

10:52

let him live at the line and just force him

10:54

to make a ton of twos. I mean, I think

10:56

even, even what we saw from Boston where they were

10:58

playing drop on him over and over and over again,

11:00

but chasing him over the top with two of the

11:02

best defenders in the league in, in

11:04

Drew Holliday and Derek white, that

11:07

is going to be the model. How many teams can actually execute

11:09

on that? I think very, very few.

11:11

I think Boston and two, a lesser degree

11:13

Denver list of four or five. And again,

11:15

if the outlets are OGN

11:17

and OB and Julius Randall teams are going to

11:19

get punished for that in ways they're not getting

11:22

punished now when those guys

11:24

are unfortunately still

11:26

injured. But I also wanted to talk

11:29

about how Hartenstein, I mean, sought

11:31

out his own offense in this game,

11:33

like aggressively going at Nicole, Yokich, like

11:35

twice for like once drive bump, little

11:38

baby hook had another one where

11:40

he even took like a deeper hook. And,

11:43

and it was, it was like a half reverse

11:46

spin, like jump hook, but it was like five,

11:48

six feet away to show it off. Great touch.

11:50

Had another little push shot in, in pseudo garbage

11:52

time late in the fourth quarter. Had like, this

11:54

was a really subtle play. I don't know if

11:57

you guys know what a Gore top screen is,

11:59

but essentially like of defenders in drop. It's

12:01

where you set an initial pick and roll with

12:03

a point guard and then you sprint in and

12:05

you set another pick on the defender in drop.

12:07

So it's basically one screener, setting two screens on

12:09

a play and then your point guard can just

12:12

snake the dribble, turn back the other way and

12:14

get all the way to the rim. He had

12:16

sort of a pseudo version of that where he

12:18

didn't screen for Bronson initially, but then just sort

12:20

of snuck into the play and got a yokeage

12:22

his way to get Bronson a layup. You'll always

12:24

hear our boss David Locke very famously talking about

12:27

Rudy Gobert's screen assist back when he was on

12:29

the Utah Jazz. I would be interested in seeing

12:31

where I heart's numbers are on that because I just

12:33

think he was a pretty good screener when he came

12:35

into the Knicks. He has turned into a great screener

12:37

and it's just amazing how much offense he's able to

12:39

create for this team and how he's been able to

12:42

keep them afloat when he first came to New York.

12:44

And we all talked about like, oh, we're so excited

12:46

to see him as a passer. We're so excited to

12:48

see him as a passer. And it

12:50

just was not really happening the first 40

12:53

or so games for him as a Nick. And as he

12:55

unlocked that gear as a rebounder and as an aggressor

12:58

around the rim, I think

13:00

it just bought him more time on the court and

13:03

bought him more equity with Tom Thibodeau. And he

13:05

said, all right, why don't we start seeing what

13:07

you can do as a passer, as a playmaker?

13:09

I heart has fully embraced it. I know

13:12

people are not a big fan of my potential.

13:15

They're going to trade in the Robinson this

13:17

offseason theory. And not that that has to

13:19

happen, but it is just hard to imagine

13:22

this team going forward without Isaiah

13:24

Hartenstein as their starting center without having

13:27

playmaking at that position. The other

13:29

guy who had a really encouraging game for

13:31

New York was Alec Birks,

13:33

who we have crapped on to

13:36

Infiniti on this podcast. But at

13:38

18 points, five rebounds, one assist,

13:40

two steals in 21 minutes

13:42

on a relatively efficient five for 11

13:45

from the field, three for six from three, five for seven

13:47

from the line. Probably his best

13:49

game as a Nick.

13:53

I think it was big for him that

13:55

he got two different open threes in

13:57

this ball game, like one to start. And

14:00

another one on like a late, like kind of giving

14:03

go with Jericho Sims where Denver just sort of fell

14:05

asleep and he was wide wide open, but just consistently

14:07

did a good job attacking, getting

14:10

to the foul line like Isaiah Hardenstein, and it

14:12

was a no look when he was

14:14

kind of tip toe on the baseline, cut

14:16

for a layup and that was a

14:18

great, just great awareness by Burch for

14:20

someone who we've accused, I think rightfully

14:22

at times of just sort of playing

14:24

in his own world on

14:26

the Knicks and almost being a separate entity on

14:28

offense to the other four guys on the floor, like

14:30

that was just a great bit of like, all right, my teammate

14:32

needs help, like I'm gonna bail him out and I'm gonna get

14:35

a layup out of it, because I trust him to make that

14:37

play and make that pass. And

14:39

then he was able to like

14:42

lay in the fourth quarter, like really

14:44

nice hesitation, like out of control, close

14:48

out from Christian Brown, beat

14:50

it for a layup. I think that was the

14:52

bucket, if I'm remembering correctly, that cut it to

14:54

90 to 88, capped off that 12 to two

14:56

run that featured him and Bogdanovich on the floor

14:59

and it was not a good game for Bogdanovich, 14

15:02

minutes, just one to five, three points.

15:05

Did have two assists though, and I

15:07

thought honestly, like his plus seven was

15:09

maybe a little bit representative, even though like again,

15:12

he did not shoot the ball well, like the

15:14

only shot he made was in the midst of

15:16

that run, hitting about a 30 foot three, where

15:19

I thought those two were good, was

15:21

just again, figure out a way

15:23

to not like, like

15:26

it's the old LeBron quote, basically, don't stand

15:28

out, fit in, I know that's not the

15:31

quote, but something along those lines, like

15:33

Bogie didn't really force the issue, like consistently

15:35

like made the extra pass, like hitting Deuce

15:38

at one point on the right wing for

15:40

a three pointer and it's a

15:42

simple play, but those

15:45

two playing within flow, I think give them an opportunity

15:47

to contribute to the SNCCS team when they're whole. And

15:49

if they don't play within flow, if they play selfish,

15:52

if they kind of try to do their own pistons

15:54

thing, they're just

15:56

not gonna be a part of this rotation, when

15:58

it's all said and done. And then really, Real quick, cold

16:01

night for Josh Hart, maybe

16:03

exhaustion. I know I got banged up in the

16:05

comments for saying he's exhausted and that he bounced

16:08

back and it was before the Kings game and

16:10

dominated the Kings. What do I know?

16:13

Just two points, one of five shooting,

16:15

three rebounds, one assist. If

16:17

he's tired, he has every right to be. Nothing to

16:19

knock with Josh Hart. Similar with Dante Di

16:22

Vincenzo. Not a terrible game for him.

16:24

Again, he was torched by MPJ. That's

16:26

a ridiculous match for him and not what he should have

16:28

ever had to have. He can't even blame

16:30

Tom Thibito for that because the alternative was starting precious

16:32

to Chua and the defense probably would have been quite a

16:34

bit better. The offense would have been utterly

16:37

nonexistent without the four-out spacing around

16:39

Brunson and Hart's time. It

16:41

was the size that affected them so bad.

16:43

Then the defensive end of the floor would

16:45

have instead, I think, mucked up their offense

16:47

without having four out and without giving Jaylen

16:49

Brunson lanes to attack. So it

16:51

was a screwed if you do, screwed if you don't,

16:54

sort of situation. But

16:57

Di Vincenzo, even though this is a relatively good shooting

16:59

game for him from distance three for eight, I wanted

17:01

to zoom out and just look at his shooting month

17:03

to month. So in February, obviously

17:05

that was the heater form. 22

17:08

points a game, four rebounds, three assists. Shot

17:10

43% from the floor, 37% from three. And

17:15

again, that was an ridiculous volume that month. He was

17:17

taking 19 shots a game. Who would have ever thought

17:19

there would have been an 11-game stretch where Dante would

17:21

take 19 shots a game. 12

17:23

threes per game over that run. So

17:27

pretty good sample size. And before that, obviously he was

17:29

super efficient. Like you zoom back to December, 54% from

17:31

the field, 49% from three. And

17:34

then now to March, nine games in, 37% from

17:37

the field, 34% from three. Counting

17:40

stats are still good. 16, 4, and 4. Not

17:43

super far off from what he was doing

17:45

in February, but the efficiency has just fallen

17:47

off a cliff. And I think it is

17:50

sort of similar to what we were saying with Josh Hart

17:52

when he hit the playoffs last year. It is him carrying

17:55

a load in terms of volume that he has never come

17:57

close to carrying in the NBA. And I

17:59

think in future... seasons, he might be a little bit more

18:01

ready for that. This year it is hitting

18:03

him a little bit and again that is understandable

18:06

and it's just going to be interesting to watch to

18:08

see if on lower volume

18:10

like he can trade that off for

18:12

greater efficiency as the Knicks continue to

18:14

get healthy. But just I'm going to look forward going

18:16

forward. Alright guys, we're going to wrap this one up

18:20

with a little schedule watch, a little standings watch where the

18:22

Knicks are at, where the Cavs are at. If you have

18:24

any questions, feel free to throw them in if we have

18:26

a little extra time. We'll answer them before we wrap up

18:28

on locked on the Knicks. We mentioned

18:30

just getting through that West Coast League and three

18:33

and one is a massive, massive victory

18:35

for the Knicks. I absolutely would have taken two

18:37

and two. I would have understood one and three,

18:39

but by going three and one, they've kept themselves

18:41

in the running for the three seed in the

18:43

East, which they are now two

18:46

games in back of the Cleveland Cavaliers for.

18:48

They're also a half game behind the Orlando

18:50

Magic, who in one of their toughest remaining

18:52

games, knocked out the

18:54

New Orleans Pelicans and have to be

18:56

considered a factor in this race. But

18:58

for today, we're going to focus on

19:00

the Knicks and the Cavs. So the

19:02

Knicks upcoming schedule, plenty of opportunity to

19:05

make up some ground. The Nets, the

19:07

Pistons, the Raptors who have sort of

19:09

given up are sitting, Emmanuel quickly, Scottie

19:11

Barnes continues to be out with an

19:13

injury. RJ Barrett, I'm not 100% sure

19:15

if he is back or will be

19:17

back after the tragic death of his

19:19

younger brother. Of course, best wishes to

19:21

RJ. I don't think we got a chance to mention

19:23

that on the show first and foremost. Hopefully he's back

19:26

for that game and he's holding up as well as

19:28

possible. But that is a relatively easy stretch

19:30

of play for the New York Knicks. Nets,

19:32

Pistons, Raptors. And then you

19:34

get the Spurs on the road, despite the

19:36

way Victor Weman-Yama is playing. And it is

19:38

incredible. That game is not a game. The

19:41

Spurs of late have been exceptional. I've been

19:43

playing not only like a playoff team, but

19:45

like a top 14 with Weman-Yama is on

19:47

the floor. The guy is a

19:49

superstar right now. Like I would I would say

19:51

the way he's played over the last month, probably

19:53

top 20, 15, 20 player

19:55

in the NBA, pretty close to being on par

19:58

with someone like Jalen Brunson already. just

20:00

a rookie who doesn't totally know what he's doing

20:02

yet. So that is extraordinary. That game will be

20:04

a little bit tougher than you think. But Nick's

20:06

ripoff four straight wins there. Oklahoma

20:09

City, Miami, Sacramento, Chicago, let's just be conservative.

20:11

Call that a two and two stretch, that's

20:13

six and two for the Knicks. Let's just

20:15

say loss of the buck, six and three,

20:17

win at the Bulls, seven and three, Celtics

20:19

hopefully tanking, maybe not. We'll call that seven

20:21

and four. You win the last two

20:24

against the Nets and the Bulls, nine

20:26

and four finish for the New York

20:28

Knicks. So they would need the

20:33

Cavs to beat two games under that as

20:35

the Knicks have the tie breakers. So they

20:37

just need to tie the Cavs. Let's call

20:39

it 0-1 at Minnesota. We'll say 1-1 against

20:41

Miami. We'll say they trip up,

20:43

they lose one of the Hornets games, maybe they lose to

20:45

Miami instead, two and two. Sixers,

20:47

they beat the Sixers, they lose to Nuggets, three and

20:50

three, lose to Jazz,

20:52

beat the Suns, or they go one and one in

20:55

those two, four and four. I know, I'm just kind

20:57

of flip-flopping here. I'm going to say two straight losses

20:59

in Los Angeles against two desperate teams and less Donovan

21:01

Mitchell's back to those games. But for now, we're going

21:03

to call that four and six. And then I'm going

21:05

to say they win their last three. So if they

21:07

go seven and six, Knicks go nine and four, that

21:09

would be just enough for the Knicks to get the

21:11

three seed, pending what the Magic do. And the Magic

21:13

have a relatively favorable schedule. So there is a chance

21:16

they have something to say about that. I just don't

21:18

totally trust it. I have a feeling they are going

21:21

to slip up a little bit down the stretch. And

21:23

of course, it's largely contingent on if the

21:25

Knicks are going to be healthy down the

21:27

stretch. And if they get Mitchell Robinson, O.G.

21:29

and a no-be-back, much better stretch of

21:31

nine and four, a much better chance, excuse

21:33

me, of going nine and four. If those guys are

21:36

not back, the Knicks

21:38

would probably feel pretty good about going seven and

21:40

six the rest of the way, setting up a

21:42

four and five with Orlando, and what I think

21:44

would be an immensely winnable series, if

21:46

not a physically strenuous

21:49

one, of course, then you

21:51

are facing down the prospect of dealing with

21:53

Boston the second round. And the Knicks, as

21:55

much as we hate Boston, we

21:57

love New York, don't particularly want that

21:59

smoke. Pedro Sands Alberti says, Tom

22:02

Thibidot for president. You know

22:04

what? I'm with him. It's been

22:06

a great stretch for Tibbs. It's been a great stretch for

22:08

the Knicks despite a tough boss in Denver. So that'll do

22:10

it for today on Lock.Nics. I'm

22:12

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