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just quickly go over the trivia

3:02

question. Trivia question I

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briefly brought up the Oscars and the other show

3:07

that's my other obsession and I

3:09

asked which member of the baseball Hall of

3:11

Fame has two Emmy

3:14

Awards as well as being

3:16

a Hall of Famer as a player two Emmy

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Awards. Now I've got a couple

3:21

people who gave answers that weren't the

3:23

ones that I was necessarily looking for.

3:27

Dingle Fuff says Bob Euchre who is a

3:32

Hall of Fame announcer he very well

3:34

may have two Emmys but I

3:36

was talking about a Hall of Fame

3:38

player. Now Mr.

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Thormeister said

3:43

Frank Thomas won two Emmy Awards for

3:45

analyzing for being an analyst on

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the MLB Network and I believe

3:51

on Fox or maybe it's Turner

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forgive me they bounced around a

3:55

lot. Actually you might be writing

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that I may have this trivia question wrong the answer I was

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looking for was Joe Morgan, Joe

4:01

Morgan, little Joe, won a pair

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of Emmy Awards well-being and a

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broadcaster for ESPN. I was always a fan

4:08

of Joe Morgan. I know not everyone liked

4:10

Joe Morgan because he was not always the

4:13

quickest to embrace analytics

4:15

and everything like that, but I

4:18

thought he was engaging. I like listening to

4:20

him alongside John Miller. May

4:22

Joe Morgan rest in peace. Let's

4:26

talk about the big news obviously happened

4:28

today revolved around

4:31

Garrett Cole with

4:33

the Yankees. Now, there's not

4:35

much to say news-wise. Now,

4:38

if all goes to plan, on

4:40

Wednesday's show, a friend of

4:42

the podcast and the person who brought me into this whole

4:45

lockdown world, Stacey Gauseulias, who is the

4:47

host of the fabulous Lockdown Yankees podcast,

4:51

I texted her. I'm sure I was not

4:53

gloating because I am not a fan of

4:56

injuries. I don't think that that's, I

4:58

want the best players on the field. And

5:03

I can think of few things more

5:05

devastating for a team than if the

5:07

Yankees lost Garrett Cole for any significant

5:10

amount of time. He is the

5:12

best pitcher in the American league, assuming

5:14

that Jacob DeGrom is not healthy and that's

5:16

a pretty safe assumption. And

5:19

if you remove him from this Yankee squad,

5:22

I'm sorry, they're not a playoff team. They're

5:24

not, that means they are a wild card

5:27

contender right now. I do think Baltimore is

5:29

a better team. They won more games last

5:31

year. They improved by getting a legit ace

5:33

at the front of the rotation and they

5:35

have the best farm system in baseball. So

5:37

they're either going to bring up good players

5:39

from the farm or be able to pull

5:41

off a big huge trade now since they

5:44

have an ownership that's willing to pull the

5:46

trigger. I think this is the

5:48

Orioles division to lose. Never

5:50

sleep on Tampa Bay and don't sleep

5:52

on Toronto. I think the

5:54

Yankees are going to be a wild card contender, but

5:56

they need to have Garrett Cole. I'm

5:58

sorry. Cortez is a nice picture,

6:01

but you don't know what he got from him last

6:03

year. Carlos Rondón was fine when

6:05

he was with Chicago and in San Francisco.

6:07

He was garbage last year and he

6:10

could come back or he could be garbage again and they

6:14

dealt away a bunch of

6:17

pitching depth including Michael King who would

6:19

be a very very valuable piece to

6:21

this team right now if he wasn't

6:23

included in the Juan Soto trade. Now

6:25

the Juan Soto trade was essential to

6:28

be made. I don't

6:30

knock the trade. They needed to have

6:32

another bat. Their problem last

6:34

year was their hitting,

6:37

not their pitching. But

6:40

it will become their pitching if you

6:42

take away Garrett Cole for any significant

6:44

amount of time and by that I

6:46

mean even just

6:48

not missing a few starts. I

6:52

say this every game counts

6:54

obviously. The games are gonna be playing in

6:57

Seoul in about two weeks or a week

6:59

and a half are gonna count

7:01

just as the Dodgers and the Pobbits are gonna play

7:03

in Seoul are gonna count just as

7:05

much as any game they play in September. And

7:08

with the American League and nationally playoff

7:11

pictures inevitably gonna be all bunched together.

7:13

If your team like the Yankees every

7:16

single game is gonna

7:18

be one you gotta scratch and claw for. Soto

7:21

would judge, yes, they're gonna score some runs.

7:24

You take Cole out of the squad. Then

7:28

this is a mid to

7:30

low 80 win team and

7:32

I think that Houston

7:36

and Texas are better than them. I think

7:38

Baltimore's better than them. Right now I think

7:40

Tampa's better than them. I would

7:42

pick Toronto ahead of them and all

7:45

right, so you would have the Yankees.

7:47

So how many that's that's three division

7:49

winners. Two wildcard teams

7:52

and so it would be basically the

7:54

Yankees fighting with

7:57

not like Boston's gonna be piddly-fu but the

7:59

Yankees. Yankees fighting with maybe an improved

8:01

Seattle team and any team

8:03

from the central. They

8:08

can't afford to lose their ace. Now

8:10

I'm not going to go too deep

8:13

into what they have to do because

8:15

the MRI hasn't come back yet. So

8:18

the MRI could come back and it's just a little

8:20

sore, you know, you miss a start or two and

8:22

then by mid-April everything will be fine. That's a possibility

8:24

that's sitting right here on the table. But

8:27

the other possibility is wow, bad,

8:29

very bad.

8:34

Now of course,

8:36

you know, Blake Snell,

8:39

the defending Cy Young Award winner is

8:42

available. Of course

8:44

Montgomery, former Yankee is

8:46

available. Dylan Cease is

8:48

available to be traded with the Chicago

8:51

White Sox. But at that point you

8:53

have to wonder how much

8:56

does Cashman and

8:59

Hal Steinbrenner want

9:01

to push, how much do they want to push

9:03

the luxury tax? Because they're right at the cusp

9:05

of it. So if they pay through

9:08

the nose to get Blake Snell in there, the

9:10

luxury tax implication is going to skyrocket. Now

9:14

there was a time when the Yankees said we don't

9:16

care, we got to win something. But

9:19

these aren't that, this isn't that Yankees.

9:22

You know, they aren't going to basically

9:25

pay Blake Snell double and

9:28

that's one of the reasons why they haven't pulled the trigger on this. And

9:31

yes, they would love to get a Dylan

9:33

Cease from the Chicago White Sox. But

9:37

they've already made a bunch of

9:39

giant trades in order

9:41

to bring in for do-go, in order

9:43

to bring in Juan Soto. You create

9:45

a bunch of young pictures and

9:48

you know the White Sox are like, oh, Yankees,

9:51

you want to contend. And you've

9:53

gone all in for Juan Soto, which means

9:55

you have to contend this year. That

9:57

lasts for the sun, the moon, and the stars. for

10:00

Dylan Sees, which

10:03

they don't necessarily have right now. So

10:06

there's a very strong possibility in

10:09

their auditions season for Juan Soto that

10:11

this could be, if Cole misses a

10:13

significant time, not really a playoff

10:16

team. Now, as

10:18

I said, it's not time to hit the panic

10:20

button yet, because we

10:23

don't know the results of the MRI. But take

10:25

a look around baseball. Max Scherzer is

10:28

going to start the season on the injured list. Justin

10:30

Verlander is going to start the season on the injured

10:32

list. Shohei Otani is not going to pitch this year.

10:35

Jacob DeGrom is not

10:38

going to be back for a while.

10:41

And Gioletta

10:43

signs with the Red Sox. He

10:45

has Tommy John surgery. People are

10:47

having injuries left and right. Ace

10:50

pitchers are falling like flies. And when

10:52

you consider that Snell is unsigned, even

10:54

if he signs right now before I

10:56

do my next ad read, you're

10:59

not going to be able to get him from not being

11:02

in spring training to being ready to be

11:04

an ace at the Major League level in

11:06

two or three weeks. Even

11:10

if Cole comes back and it's just going to

11:12

be a quick stint on the injured list, you're

11:15

probably not going to have either Cy Young

11:17

Award winner starting the season on the

11:19

active list. Something has

11:21

to be done. Players

11:24

are bigger, stronger, and faster than

11:26

they ever have been. But pitchers

11:28

are falling like flies. And

11:30

the notion of an ace pitcher is

11:33

a commodity of which there

11:35

are very few. And a lot of

11:37

them are old and have been hanging

11:39

around for a while. What

11:41

can baseball do to fix this

11:43

situation? What can they do

11:46

to make this

11:48

right? Do you

11:50

want anything they can do? I think

11:52

they can turn to an old

11:54

fashioned pitch that has

11:57

fallen out of favor. But I

12:00

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12:02

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was thinking about this today when I was trying to

13:58

figure out how I'm going to handle this

14:00

show. There's a pitcher

14:02

out there who had a very good

14:04

outing in spring training who has

14:06

my attention and should have

14:09

all of baseball's attention. His

14:12

name is Matt Waldron.

14:14

Do you know who Matt Waldron is? He's

14:17

on the thumbnail for

14:19

this particular video. Is

14:21

he an ace pitcher? He's a 27 year

14:24

old pitcher for the San Diego

14:26

Padres. And last year

14:28

he started six games and relieved in

14:30

two others, pitched 41 in

14:32

a third innings and did okay.

14:34

He had a 4.35 ERA, pitched okay. And

14:38

he pitched well the last couple

14:40

of goes at it in spring

14:42

training. He's

14:45

a knuckleballer. He

14:47

throws the knuckleball and will

14:49

probably make the rotation. I was

14:52

thinking about knuckleballers today. There

14:55

aren't a lot of them and they pop up

14:57

from time to time. And knuckleball

15:00

pitchers are kind of, I don't

15:02

know, they're looked as kind of goofy,

15:06

a little flighty, a little

15:08

flaky, and they don't have that sexy pitch.

15:10

They don't have that hundred mile an hour fast

15:13

ball and the curve ball that breaks here

15:15

and there. It doesn't have the big strong

15:17

badass ace stuff when they're up there. They

15:19

stand up there and they throw that little

15:22

butterfly up there. I don't, it's

15:25

difficult to describe what a knuckleball is.

15:27

You hold the ball kind

15:29

of with your fingers bent like this. You kind of push

15:32

the ball up where it doesn't have any

15:34

spin or rotation, which means you could throw

15:37

a wild pitch. You could walk everyone in

15:39

creation or it looks like

15:41

this sort of floating bee up there that

15:44

a batter can swing and miss that because I

15:46

don't know where the heck it's going to be.

15:48

A knuckleball done badly, you're basically throwing a wiffle

15:50

ball pitch to a major league hitter. But

15:53

done well and you see

15:56

pitchers making hitters

15:58

look stupid. Absolutely

16:01

ridiculous. Now Phil

16:03

Negro, arguably the most

16:06

famous and greatest knuckleballer of all time,

16:08

Hall of Famer, whose stats were just

16:10

through the roof, yes he would lose

16:12

20 games, he would win 20 games,

16:14

he would throw an ungodly number of

16:16

innings, and he was

16:18

asked why don't more people throw the knuckleball and

16:21

he was kind of incredulous, he said why do

16:23

more people not throw a hundred miles an hour?

16:25

It's a talent. Yes, but

16:28

it's also something that can be developed. It's

16:30

something that could be taught. It's something that I

16:33

think teams should take a

16:35

good, long, hard look at

16:39

developing knuckleballers. Think about

16:41

some of the knuckle, the quality

16:43

knuckleballers over the years. Something

16:45

that a lot of them have in common are

16:48

two things. They

16:51

have long careers and

16:53

they eat up a ton of innings. When

16:56

you think about like, you know, something

16:58

like I grew up with a Wilbur

17:00

Wood was a knuckleballer

17:02

who pitched for the Chicago White

17:05

Sox in the 60s and

17:07

70s. He was a starter and a

17:09

reliever and there were some years he

17:11

would throw 48 starts. There's some

17:14

years he would throw in

17:17

1972, which was a great year for the

17:19

Chicago White Sox, he led the league

17:21

with 376 and two-thirds innings. 376 innings. 49 starts. He completed 20

17:23

games and wound

17:32

up being a legit Cy Young

17:34

contender there. You know, Nikro,

17:37

as I mentioned, both the brothers

17:39

Phil and Joe Nikro, when Phil

17:41

Nikro started, he played for the

17:44

Milwaukee Braves. When he finished, he

17:46

was with the Atlanta Braves but also pitched with

17:48

the Toronto Blue Jays. He

17:51

was throwing 200-some-odd innings

17:53

when he was a 47-year-old man.

17:56

He was a legit all-star when he was in his

17:58

mid-40s. a ton

18:00

of games he lost a ton of games

18:02

he's among the all-time leaders in strikeouts and

18:04

innings pitched year in and year out

18:07

he would just throw that knuckleball and

18:10

you know some more Tom

18:12

Candiotti lasted a long time Tim

18:14

Wakefield like Tim Wakefield may he

18:16

rest in peace took that

18:18

knuckleball and threw for 19

18:21

years won 200 games

18:23

along the way consistently gave the Red

18:25

Sox tons of innings would he

18:27

get lit up every once in a while sure

18:30

but you knew that

18:33

Wakefield was going to go deep in the

18:35

game and you knew that every single year

18:37

you know you were going to get 25

18:39

to 35 starts or you know 20 to 30 starts I

18:44

should say from Wakefield and sometimes they

18:46

put him out he came out of the bullpen

18:49

sometimes he would start but

18:51

he was reliable you know he wasn't

18:53

always a superstar but you looked off and

18:55

said alright we're gonna 200 innings out of

18:57

the sky you can get a

18:59

you know a more recent Cy

19:02

Young winner in RA Dickey who

19:04

didn't have the super long career that some of

19:06

those other ones have but he wound up pitching

19:08

you know he wound up pitching for a decade

19:10

in the major leagues a little bit more than

19:12

that actually when he got the knuckleball

19:14

down won himself a Cy Young award with the

19:16

Mets going to 233 and two-thirds innings

19:20

in that wonderful 2012 and

19:23

even though he didn't he

19:25

wasn't spectacular for

19:27

the years that he pitched in Toronto he gave

19:30

them innings to he

19:32

first year 224 innings this is 10 years ago okay in

19:34

2013 2014 2015 he's still throwing over 200

19:43

innings a season when

19:45

he's in his mid to late 40s

19:48

because it doesn't put the wear

19:50

and tear on the arm that

19:53

the fastballs do that the curveballs

19:55

do lobbing

19:57

up those knuckleballs all

19:59

of a sudden son, if you have a

20:03

staff of knuckleballers, okay,

20:06

maybe there'll be some days that get lit

20:09

up, but the chances of their arms breaking

20:11

down become significantly

20:13

less. I've

20:15

said that one of the reasons why we don't have

20:18

as many ACEs anymore is economic

20:21

because ACEs command

20:23

the highest salary, and so why not set

20:26

up your pitching staff where you don't need

20:28

an ACE anymore. Your starting pitcher is going

20:30

to be maybe an opener or maybe not

20:32

get through the sixth inning because, oh, you

20:34

know what, come the second time through the

20:37

order, third time through the order, you want

20:39

a new pitcher in there, which means you

20:41

don't pay a pitcher a

20:44

big astronomical fee. If you

20:46

don't believe me, the defending Cy Young Award winner

20:48

is out there and no one's signing him because

20:51

he wants to make huge money, but

20:53

teams know that while he

20:56

is a fine pitcher, paying him like an

20:58

ACE isn't that smart because he's not someone

21:00

who's going to go deep into games. And

21:04

we're seeing that all your top pitchers are

21:06

breaking down. No matter how much you treat

21:09

them like a Faberge egg, you couldn't buffer

21:11

pitchers more than Jacob de Grom and

21:14

Matt Harvey were by the meth, and

21:16

yet they constantly kept breaking down. So

21:19

why not develop those pitchers who

21:21

are the knuckleballers? Why not develop

21:23

a staff of knuckleballers? Yes, it

21:25

supposedly takes time to do, but

21:28

if you're a fledgling team, like

21:30

I don't know the angels who

21:33

just lost their great player and whose farm

21:35

system is ranked 30th out of 30,

21:39

so there's a lot of hope there in Anaheim. Let's

21:41

say we're going to start developing knuckleballers, just

21:45

start developing through our system. Some

21:47

of them are going to make it, some of them not,

21:49

kind of like starting pitchers. The

21:51

Paul Skeins of the world, Paul Skeins could turn out to

21:53

be a great pitcher. He could

21:55

wind up having a career like

21:58

Steven Strasburg, where he's dynamite. when

22:00

he's healthy. Steven Strasburg is probably

22:02

the way aces are gonna be from now on.

22:05

Dynamite when they're healthy, breaking down a lot,

22:07

their peaks are gonna be super high and

22:09

Steven Strasburg's peaks were really high. But there

22:11

was also a lot of years like, yep,

22:14

he's gonna be injured, he's gonna lose a

22:16

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22:19

you have a bunch of pitchers who are gonna give you 250 innings.

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Maybe not all of them are gonna be great, but

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they're gonna be innings. They're gonna,

22:27

and with those innings, you also don't

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have a worn down bullpen. But

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with the knuckleballer, you also

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25:03

knuckleballers mean we're saving arms, but everyone

25:05

wants to throw 99 mile

25:08

per hour fastballs. Yes,

25:12

but not everyone can. And

25:15

if you're throwing those fastballs

25:17

and you're blowing your arm out

25:19

after 15 innings, I think what you'd rather

25:21

do is be on the mound pitching. And

25:24

I'll tell you what the knuckleballers could do. If

25:27

you start developing knuckleballers and

25:29

you have a key part of

25:31

your team that is not a freak of

25:33

nature, it's not a roided up hulking figure

25:36

or someone who could do something with their

25:38

arm that is impossible for anyone else, but

25:41

can strategically throw that

25:43

knuckleball, get those innings, get those

25:45

wins, it can

25:48

reinforce the myth that

25:50

the average fan can make

25:52

it. That the average

25:54

fan could become a big league ball

25:57

player. You can't watch

25:59

a hockey game. game and think an average

26:01

dude can just sort of put on some skates

26:03

and make it to the Stanley Cup

26:05

final. Basketball and football,

26:09

those are like Greek gods and bizarre

26:11

physical specimens. But

26:14

if you ever had a regular everyday

26:16

dude up on

26:18

the mound or regular

26:21

everyday woman on

26:23

the mound hurling up the knuckle balls

26:26

and all of a sudden the fan up there goes,

26:28

name it, that can be me. I'm

26:30

here in Los Angeles County. One

26:33

of the most popular jerseys you still see

26:35

at Dodger Stadium is out of Fernando Valenzuela.

26:37

He hasn't pitched for the Dodgers since 1990.

26:41

But he, because he had this look, he didn't look

26:43

like an athlete. He looked like just a guy. He

26:46

was a little pudgy, he had the messy

26:49

hair, he looked like a guy you'd see

26:51

all around LA. He was a regular dude

26:53

who was up there dominating with that screwball.

26:56

That was one of the reasons why he

26:58

caught the imagination. Yes, he inspired the Mexican

27:00

population, but it wasn't just people of

27:02

Mexican background who fell in love with Fernando. It was

27:04

the entire region that is still in love with him

27:07

because that sense of he's just a regular dude

27:09

who happened to be a major leaguer.

27:12

Well imagine if the pitching position, the guy

27:14

who comes up there or the woman who

27:17

throws 200 to 270 innings, just pushing that up. It's

27:21

not a superstar arm. It's

27:24

not the proverbial nuc La Luch

27:26

that gods came down and turned your arm into

27:29

a thunderbolt from Bull

27:31

Durham. To create

27:33

that illusion of, hey, that could be me. If

27:36

I just worked on my knuckleball, that could

27:38

be me. The whole thing

27:40

that made the rookie with Dennis Quaid,

27:43

which just makes my eyes explode with

27:45

tears when I see it, that sense

27:47

of that everyday person making it, that

27:50

illusion is going to have to become part of the

27:52

game as well. It helps

27:54

save baseball with the sense

27:56

of these are not just pampered millionaires

27:58

who have been gone on. either

28:01

these the Dominican academies or the

28:03

travel leagues no a regular Joe

28:06

or Joanne could make

28:09

the Major League roster if they

28:11

just developed that knuckler and

28:14

don't blow out your arm yeah

28:17

it's sexier to see the hundred

28:19

mile an hour fastball but what's

28:21

even sexier winning the game

28:24

and for people who love offense guess

28:27

what when a knuckleball is a knuckling

28:29

you're basically throwing batting practice the

28:33

knuckleball if it

28:35

takes three four five years

28:37

to develop knuckleball pitchers fine

28:39

it'll be 2029 and you have your team

28:42

full of knuckleballers eaten up innings

28:45

as opposed to what we have now which

28:47

is the aces just absolutely collapsing

28:49

like a house of cards falling

28:52

apart like the Avengers turning into

28:54

that dust at the end of

28:57

Infinity War that's a reference

28:59

my mom won't get but

29:03

give it a shot develop it

29:06

save your arms when you sign

29:08

a player to long-term deal you know they're gonna be around

29:10

for a long term eat up

29:12

those innings don't wear out your bullpen and

29:15

create a world

29:18

where someone out there listen to

29:20

a lockdown podcast and showing up to

29:22

the ballgame think that could be

29:24

me that could be me

29:27

I can't hit the ball out of the ballpark

29:29

I don't have a great huge arm I don't

29:31

have that eye as a hitter to be able

29:33

to hit it into the gap with that you

29:35

know off the charts baseball IQ if I throw

29:38

that knuckle up there I could

29:40

get a ring give

29:43

it some thought some team out

29:45

there I'm looking at you angels I'm

29:48

looking at you Marlins these

29:50

teams that have horrible farm systems and

29:53

are going nowhere in an awful hurry I'm

29:55

looking at you a's fill

29:59

your farm system up with that and give

30:01

it a shot. How could it be worse than

30:03

saying, hey, who are the two defending Cy Young

30:05

winners going into the 2024 season?

30:08

Oh, they're in their street clothes. A

30:12

trivia question today regards

30:15

a knuckleballer named Gene Bearden. Gene

30:18

Bearden, a knuckleballer from the

30:20

1940s, is

30:23

the last person in

30:25

baseball history to

30:27

do what? What

30:31

feat that hasn't been

30:33

accomplished by any pitcher

30:35

that Gene Bearden do in the 1940s,

30:38

knuckleball Gene Bearden do in the

30:40

1940s? Put the answer down here on

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YouTube or locked on MLB pods on

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Twitter or on Instagram. I'm your pal,

30:46

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visible podcast on Instagram, begging

30:50

that we bring back the knuckleball and

30:53

restore baseball sanity.

30:56

This has been locked on MLB. I

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am your host Paul Francis Sullivan. Please

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call me Solly. So

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