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2:23

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2:25

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2:29

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2:41

now man we into safeties

2:43

and it's been a rather you know I guess

2:45

when you compare the 2022

2:48

class and the 2023 class right everyone

2:50

talked about the 2023 class not being

2:54

as talented but

2:55

DP where are you as far as

2:57

safeties and the importance of their role because I feel

2:59

like sometimes and I've mentioned

3:01

it on this podcast right like linebackers were

3:04

kind of like the running backs of you know this

3:06

you know to where they're devalued and I

3:08

would say safeties are not far behind

3:11

like it seems like it's a cornerback

3:13

and edge discussion when it comes to defenses

3:15

right but nobody talks about

3:17

safeties as much or you don't like I think

3:20

about the days and you know

3:22

I'm not rambling but I just the start came to me

3:25

remember when it was like Ed Palomar

3:27

and Brian Dawkins and these

3:30

guys were not only good players but they

3:32

were the face of your you know they had

3:34

the opportunity to be the face of the organization they were

3:37

faces of defenses right and

3:39

if we go through the NFL DP is not

3:41

that many situations where safeties

3:45

are the face right of an entire

3:47

defense I just want to ask you what are

3:49

you with the value of the safety position

3:52

and you know just drafting these guys and the different

3:55

roles

3:55

that they play and everything like this man

3:59

I value them higher

4:02

than most Keith. And it's because of the fact

4:04

that the versatility that we're starting, that we have

4:07

begun to see over the past couple of seasons,

4:09

past couple of years in drafts of

4:11

that, which we talked about during the 2023 lead up to the draft,

4:16

just the evolution of the safety position, right? Like

4:19

it's, you're not gonna find the Ed Reed

4:21

no more. Earl Thomas, those single

4:23

high guys that's gonna sit on top of the roof, cover

4:26

one type, you know, type of guys who have that sideline

4:29

sideline range, because nowadays there's

4:31

a lot of,

4:31

a lot of these safeties are

4:34

guys who have cornerback experience.

4:37

Some of them are undersized linebackers

4:39

that they just, that have the athleticism to

4:41

move back in the back end of the defense

4:43

and not have to play right up in the line of scrimmage.

4:46

Well, for me, the value is just

4:48

being able to do different things structurally

4:51

as a defense, right? When you have a

4:54

Bryant branch. It's crazy because

4:56

you think about Jamal Adams in the NFL and

4:59

people like the normal fan, because

5:01

he's not this like high in coverage

5:04

safety. They tend to hate on

5:06

Jamal, but I'm like when Jamal

5:08

is healthy, he's

5:09

one of the most impactful safeties

5:12

in the NFL, because he can blitz,

5:15

he stuffs to run. And he may not

5:17

be this man to man cover guy

5:19

that you throw into the nickel and tell him to

5:21

defend the Justin Jep, well, I'm not throwing many,

5:23

I'm not throwing many safety. But

5:28

you don't have to put them in

5:30

that situation. You may not

5:32

feel comfortable with it, like him against some of these slot

5:34

receivers, but you know what you can do? You can drop them off

5:36

in the coverage. It's crazy because

5:38

you even talked about those older names, Troy Paul,

5:40

you think about Troy Paul, Marlow and stuff, but

5:42

think about Cam Chancellor.

5:44

Cam Chancellor wasn't man to man defending

5:46

Robert Calc. That's

5:49

kind of my point, BP, is that and that's

5:51

where you could compare it to the running backs, right? The

5:54

running backs, we asked them to do more,

5:56

because the running backs in the 90s, it was

5:59

run straight forward.

5:59

30 times a game, right? Like, yeah,

6:02

and then now we're asking,

6:03

hey, can you pass

6:05

pro? Can you catch the ball out of the backfield?

6:08

Now can you line in the slot where I receive a

6:10

position and be a threat there, right?

6:12

So we're asking them to do more of the running backs

6:15

and then devalue them. And I think it's the same

6:17

thing for the safeties, right? Like Brian Dawkins

6:19

and Troy Palamalu, and you know, you talked

6:21

about Cam Chancellor and we continue

6:23

to just rattle off, you know, safety names,

6:26

but these were guys that were, you know, kind

6:28

of put your feet at 12 yards, play

6:31

downhill, run the alley and blow everything up.

6:33

Now

6:33

we're at the position to where we're like, okay,

6:36

well, can he play in the slot, right? Can

6:38

he play nickel? Can he cover? Can

6:40

he play 20 yards off the ball and

6:42

cover sideline to sideline? Like, you know, we're asking

6:44

them to do more,

6:45

but it seems as though the value

6:47

of the safety has gone down maybe

6:50

from a perception perspective. And

6:52

maybe it's because we're asking them to do

6:54

so much that we're not

6:56

really sure what skillset,

6:58

you know, like there's no complete safety

7:01

anymore. And maybe that's what

7:03

it is, but I just kind of had that thought.

7:05

No, and Keith, like when

7:07

you look at the 2024 class potentially,

7:10

the first guy that comes to mind is

7:12

Clemson safety, you know, when you're talking about, you know, people

7:14

know, well, DP Keith, who's safety

7:16

one?

7:17

And now for me, I think the leading

7:19

candidate is Andrew MacCuba for Clemson,

7:22

six foot 185 that can play

7:24

on the roof. He's athletic, but he can walk

7:26

down into the box, be a box defender, helping

7:28

to run game, as well as line up in the nickel

7:30

in the slot and cover wide

7:33

receivers and tight ends. Like his

7:35

coverage instincts is really good. Like I said, good

7:38

athlete. And that's what the NFL is looking for nowadays.

7:40

But I'm gonna tell you something. It's a cold world, Keith.

7:43

It's a cold world. And the reason why I say that,

7:45

because there's a guy at Utah, I ain't

7:47

talking about J. Cole, shout out to J.

7:49

Cole. Cole Bishop,

7:51

man, six to two,

7:54

almost two 10, room at the right

7:56

run, you know, in the four or five range.

7:58

But one thing I think about.

8:01

like we talked about with Jamal Adams, Jamal Adams

8:03

and stuff, and you see this with a lot of other safeties. When

8:06

I went and looked at his snap share key to

8:08

see just kind of where

8:09

you'd all put this kid, bro,

8:12

he was everywhere.

8:13

Two over 200 snaps in the slot, over

8:16

a hundred snaps at free safety. And

8:18

most majority of his snaps, 346 of his snaps were as a box defender.

8:23

He's physical, he's aggressive, he could really

8:25

help in the run game, but then he also

8:27

can drop off in the overhang and

8:29

then the nickel and cover as well. And then

8:31

I think you might know something

8:33

about this kid

8:35

over at Miami.

8:36

And I'm gonna tell you the first thing that popped off when

8:38

I looked him up, cause I remember somebody bringing

8:40

him up to me and it was his size. I

8:44

watched a little stuff, a little bit of tape on him.

8:46

James Williams, 6'5", bro, 225.

8:51

Like you don't hear that at safety

8:53

like that. 6'5", almost 230 pounds. And

8:59

he plays a lot in the box.

9:00

Yeah, so DP, that is to my

9:03

point, right? I want to jump

9:05

into James Williams, but I feel like that's gonna be another five

9:07

minute conversation. So what I wanna do is,

9:09

man, I wanna transition, man, into

9:11

our next segment so we can really spend time because not

9:14

only does Miami have one safety, they have two

9:16

safeties, very different

9:18

in body types, right? I don't think you could get more

9:20

polar opposite in body types,

9:22

but I think there's gonna continue to push this safety

9:25

conversation along, but then also continue

9:27

to introduce names, right? And the guy we're gonna talk

9:29

about is James Williams.

9:30

So coming up next, man, we're gonna talk about safety.

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9:38

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Williams, and you said that he has a running mate

11:21

over at the U, as

11:24

they, I'm turning the camera, the U. I

11:27

don't know if they're back or not, but I heard that they got some talents

11:29

and safeties over there.

11:30

Yeah, man, with the U, we just need to let the U be

11:33

the U until they're back, because

11:35

everybody want them back, right? Like me included myself,

11:37

we watch those ESPN 30 for 30s, and

11:40

you just remember those teams with Ed Reed and

11:42

Andre Johnson, and I mean, we can keep on

11:44

going, right? So you really want them back, but

11:46

we're going to allow them to come back in

11:49

silence, and we'll wait till they're

11:51

back to talk about their back. Oh, but yeah, man, so

11:53

these two safeties, James Williams, 6'5", 230, and DP, this

11:56

is what I was talking about with the

11:59

safety position.

11:59

right? Because usually, and we're

12:02

talking about profiling guys, like when you're six, five,

12:04

two, thirty, you're not playing 12,

12:06

15 yards off the ball and being

12:09

sideline to sideline. You're a box guy, right? Now

12:11

the question is with James Williams is, okay,

12:14

what is he going to do? Is this going to be a pass

12:16

rushing

12:17

hybrid outside linebacker

12:19

who quote unquote plays at the safety position?

12:22

Or is this a guy that you're going to ask to cover

12:24

in the nickel? You know what I'm saying? Or is he just

12:27

a true strong safety like Cam

12:29

Chancellor? So that's why, you know, when you

12:31

watch my, I do remember, I do remember James Williams

12:33

because there was a lot of hype about this guy,

12:35

right? I think he played at American Heritage, same

12:38

school with

12:40

Patrick Surton and I

12:42

think Tyson Campbell. They continually just roll

12:45

out top guys, Dallas Turner,

12:47

who's the edge rusher for Alabama. So

12:49

they continue to just push out guys. I

12:52

think he played at American Heritage, but yeah, just six,

12:54

and you wonder, okay, where are we going to put this guy? Because

12:57

the conversation, let's go back to this,

12:59

right? Much like Isaiah Simmons, you know, another

13:02

six, four, 230 pound

13:04

football player that plays multiple

13:06

positions, but where does he play? And then ultimately

13:09

we say they're, you know,

13:10

safety linebacker, hybrid

13:12

type football players. So I would ask you,

13:14

BP, what the James Williams conversation was

13:16

like, where do you project this skillset?

13:19

And I don't know if you've got any type of eyes on him, able

13:21

to see him. I watch

13:23

minimal parts of him throughout

13:26

last year, you know, throughout the season and stuff. And this

13:28

is an impact football player. The range

13:30

is there, the athleticism is there. It's

13:33

just a matter of, okay, when we talk about

13:35

the safety position and defining it, it's

13:37

like, what is James Williams going to be and how's

13:39

he going to fit in that role?

13:41

Yeah, for what he does for Miami

13:43

is interesting because he's very versatile in terms

13:45

of his alignment. We'll watch him against Clemson

13:47

and against North Carolina when I was studying

13:50

Drake May. And I said the first leg you talked

13:52

about, the size, the 6'5", 224, it stands

13:54

out. He shows up on, he

13:56

stands out like a sore thumb, like on tape.

13:59

two years because you could tell and

14:02

they move them around guys like you know, you know,

14:04

I look at, you know, just looking at the numbers here 285

14:06

snaps in the box, 235 snaps playing

14:09

as

14:11

a free strong safety at the top

14:14

and 105 snaps in the slot. So

14:16

to your point, Keith, he wasn't relied

14:18

heavily as a nickel defender. And

14:20

I think that's it wouldn't be the best

14:23

usage of them. Truthfully is to put them in the

14:25

nickel because with that heightened

14:27

that Frank is he's a bulky kid

14:29

too. Nice strong dense frame.

14:32

And typically what comes with that Keith is a little restricted

14:34

movements in the lower half in the, in the, in the hips,

14:37

the hips might have some, some stiffness and some

14:39

tightness as well as the footwork, be able to transition

14:41

if he's playing man to man coverage against

14:44

a slot, a receiver in the slot that

14:46

knows how to

14:48

use release packages and head fakes

14:50

and movements that can get him off his spot

14:53

and really force him to have

14:55

to turn and transition at a quicker

14:57

rate than he's accustomed to. That's just not

14:59

playing at your, your God, the best at the best position.

15:02

So I think playing them as like a, a

15:04

big,

15:05

you think about, um, what's

15:07

it Calduck, Calduck, right? And

15:10

how he's used for the new England Patriots.

15:12

So he does play some nickel, right? Does play in

15:15

the backend when they need him to as well. But then what

15:17

do they do? They also play kind of some three safety

15:19

sets where you can pull a linebacker

15:22

off the field. And when a guy like James Williams,

15:24

who's almost 200, he looks like

15:26

a linebacker. He's got the same size and frame

15:29

as some of the prototypical NFL linebackers.

15:31

Now, I mean, we looked at Clemson's linebacker

15:35

Trenton

15:35

Simpson, right? Like

15:37

matter of fact, never just Trenton, but Jeremiah

15:39

Trotter, who we talked about, you know, on yesterday's

15:41

episode, Jeremiah Trotter Jr. is like six,

15:44

six foot

15:45

two 30. And then his running make,

15:48

uh, uh, Carter is six

15:51

one two 25.

15:53

Doran James Williams got both of those guys.

15:57

I think that's when you look at a man you use.

15:59

him closer to the box.

16:01

You want to see if he can, with

16:04

that size, you've got to hope that he could cover

16:06

tight ends. Maybe not the Travis Kelceys

16:08

of the world, where he moves like a receiver,

16:10

but be physical with a George

16:13

Kittle or a Darren Waller or

16:15

some of these other bigger body tight

16:18

hands in the league. You want to hope that he can

16:20

play and fill that role, Keith.

16:23

Yeah, no, I agree, man. So look, let's transition

16:25

because we talked about the teammate, right? And I know everybody wants

16:27

to hear about him. The teammate

16:29

is Cameron Kinches, man. We talk about all

16:32

the different sizes. So

16:34

we go from 6' 5", 230, right? And

16:37

now we at 5' 11", 200. So

16:39

it could very well be 5', 10", 195, right? Total

16:42

different player. But when you talk about production, there's

16:44

a guy that had six interceptions last

16:47

year. Three of those came via Georgia Tech,

16:49

I think. And then one was Bethune

16:51

Kookman, I think. One was North Carolina.

16:54

I can't remember who the other one was against. So

16:56

he has proven production,

16:58

making plays on a football. So this is your guy

17:01

when we talk about, OK, what is the safety position?

17:04

That's why this conversation comes up because we just

17:06

talked about James Williams playing that

17:08

hybrid linebacker role close to the line

17:11

of scrimmage, things like that. Then now we're going

17:13

to talk about Cameron Kinches, who I'm going

17:15

to show if you put. I haven't looked at the snapshot. But if

17:17

you look at it, I'm going to show you're going to see more

17:20

deeper alignments, right? This guy is probably going to play

17:22

more free safety, some strong

17:24

safety, a little nickel, but a lot of his

17:26

position or alignment is probably the free safety

17:29

position. This is a guy that's going to roam. And

17:32

if he has six interceptions, he has two things.

17:34

He has ball tracking ability,

17:36

and he has instincts. And that's what

17:39

it shows for me, right? Like he can do both

17:41

of those things. And just throughout time,

17:44

in this conversation with Cameron

17:46

Kinches, I think it may lend

17:48

itself towards kind of like

17:50

Christopher Smith from Georgia this past

17:52

year, because Christopher Smith was not a very

17:55

big guy. But there was

17:57

production there. You liked the way he played the

17:59

game.

17:59

it was the size and athleticism

18:02

that affected his draft stock overall.

18:05

So I wonder if that's going to come

18:07

into play for Cameron Kinches. I still

18:09

have to do the deep dive on him, but I just think

18:11

we just be talking about surface level conversations

18:14

and conducting people, introducing people

18:16

to the lockdown family. I think

18:18

Cameron Kinches is gonna be interesting to

18:20

see how this thing folds out for him.

18:23

No, 100% give to your point, over 400

18:26

snaps at free safety.

18:28

He plays right, he plays up top

18:30

a lot more than his counterpart,

18:33

James Williams does Keith. And

18:35

like you said, I like the Chris, the invoking Chris

18:37

Smith's name. Smaller guy could

18:40

cover like a corner at times

18:42

as a corner back, background. I'm

18:44

excited to watch Kinches when

18:46

we get the cross checks for TDN. Because

18:49

like I said, six interceptions, that's nothing to sneeze

18:51

at, even though three came in one game. But like

18:53

I said, the ball tracking ability, the instincts

18:56

and then not just the ball, but to catch

18:58

it. What's the phrase, what's

19:00

the old saying about DBs, DBs

19:02

or wire receivers that can't catch? Well, it seems like this

19:04

young man can actually catch the football. So

19:07

I'm excited to see him, Keith. And I wanna bring up one

19:09

last name before we transition to our final segment. Jalen

19:11

Catalon, and Keith, this is the, I'm

19:14

gonna label him as Mr. Forgotten,

19:17

because coming into last summer, he

19:19

was one of the better safeties coming

19:21

into the 2023 draft class, right?

19:24

You know, at least that what, 5'10", 195, but

19:27

what's

19:29

the first thing we all talked about when we watched

19:32

him?

19:32

He's physical, one of the heaviest,

19:34

we talked about Devin Witherspoon being a heavy

19:37

hitter. I don't think there was any DB that

19:39

hit harder than Jalen Catalon. It

19:41

was like- No, no, no,

19:43

this guy had, and I hate to

19:45

invoke this name because we're talking about like an all

19:47

time great, knockback

19:49

guy, but when we talk about a guy's shoulder and stature,

19:52

5'8", 210 pounds, you

19:54

couldn't help but think of Bob Sanderson. Yeah,

19:57

there we go. And just

19:59

knock people.

19:59

out and that's what Jelen Cattelaw did. Now

20:02

listen, to our listeners, that part, while

20:05

it's front, it's affected Jelen, right? Because

20:07

he's been injured. He's had some shoulder injuries

20:09

and that's why DP, when you talk about the forgotten

20:12

one, right? Like it's what they say, the best ability

20:14

is availability and Jelen just hasn't

20:16

been available. So seeing him at Texas,

20:19

right? Back in his hometown state, because he played his

20:21

initial college football at

20:24

Arkansas, transferred to Texas. So seeing

20:26

him healthy and hopefully he can get through an entire

20:28

year and you're talking about those big time hits and everything

20:31

else. This will be fun to see where

20:33

Jelen goes throughout the rest of the year. But

20:36

this is a guy that we've both seen. We know

20:38

what he brings. He can be a physical

20:40

enforcer for that Texas defense, but it is

20:42

a matter of him staying healthy

20:44

and him being able to be available

20:47

for all the games. The DP, man, look, that wraps

20:49

up three more intriguing names, right? Guys

20:51

with different play styles,

20:54

varying body types, right? And

20:56

just their approach to the game and what they offer.

20:58

You have an interception master.

21:00

You have a hybrid 6'5'

21:02

linebacker and then you got a safety that runs

21:05

alley. So that's what we're talking about, man. We continue to talk about how

21:07

safety's, man, it's just not one

21:09

mode anymore. But coming up next, man, we want to

21:11

just continue to go down this path, right?

21:14

And we have more intriguing names, names that's kind

21:16

of flying under the radar. But like

21:18

we know, man, you get your hands on the football a couple

21:20

of times, your draft stock elevates. So we want to

21:22

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is just time to wake up a little bit. That alarm

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clock is buzzing right now with a couple

22:37

of names that I want to invoke.

22:39

And

22:39

Keith, I think he's in your region. I

22:42

think you have Ole Miss for us at

22:44

TDN,

22:45

but I've watched this kid for the past two years. I

22:48

see him young, safety that started

22:51

his career, I believe, at Iowa State

22:53

in the Big 12. For

22:57

me, one of the first things that really stood

22:59

out for me when I remember studying him, I thought

23:02

he was coming out a year or two ago,

23:04

was the instincts. A guy that could play

23:07

single high, but have the diagnosing

23:09

skills to rerun versus pass, but not

23:11

only read it and decipher

23:14

it, but do it quickly, quick enough

23:16

to where there's reps of him coming from 12

23:18

to 15 yards back

23:21

and meeting the running back at the line of scrimmage.

23:24

That's just a vision, the eye discipline. Not

23:26

really getting fooled by all the eye candy

23:29

that we see, especially the college level.

23:30

You got guys shifting. I just

23:32

watched Brock Bowers in total,

23:35

and Todd Munkin

23:36

is annoying. The stuff that he was doing

23:39

offensively for Georgia, all the motions, they

23:41

come out in the 11 personnel, 10 personnel,

23:44

and they go spread. It's like, bro, why do

23:46

you motion so much pre-snap, but it's

23:48

just to cause chaos? I see him

23:50

young. He wasn't the guy that

23:52

bit on a lot of that when he was at Iowa

23:54

State. I didn't get a chance to watch a lot of them after

23:56

he transferred the Ole Miss, but he was a

23:59

firm tackler.

23:59

a secure tackler. He also

24:02

would cover in the nickel as well. This is a

24:04

name that I think that everyone

24:06

really should keep their eyes on because he's a

24:08

talented kid.

24:09

Yeah, no, I agree, man. I agree. Look, and I'm

24:12

going to throw out another name we see down there on

24:14

the screw load. Lathan Marissa,

24:16

this is somebody that, and we probably could have put him in

24:18

segment one or segment two, somebody

24:21

that

24:22

everyone thought was going to come out last year. So we're

24:24

pretty familiar with him in the draft community

24:27

as far as his skill set and what he offers. The

24:29

question is this, can he continue to elevate his

24:31

draft stock? And I think so, man. There's a

24:33

reason why he came back right now. He'd be the

24:35

leader of that defense. And for Latham, it was

24:38

more so just consistency. There

24:40

were flash, high level plays, but

24:42

then there was also those players where it was like he missed.

24:45

We're like, oh, come on, man. Right when we want

24:47

to put you in that tier one, you

24:49

have to tier one involves being

24:51

consistent in what you do

24:52

also. It's not your ability to make

24:54

that one play, it's ability to consistently make

24:57

the play. And I think that's what it is with

24:59

Latham. So I'm excited to see how he develops,

25:01

man. And this is a guy that he's going to profile

25:03

as a free safety, a strong safety, a nickel

25:05

player, somebody in a box. I'm

25:08

excited because he has good, good

25:10

measurables when you're talking about being 6'1", 200 pounds. That's

25:14

ideal size for safety.

25:17

And you know how you say they typically put out

25:19

good defensive backs. So I want to see

25:21

how Latham Ransom is

25:22

going to profile going into this year. There's

25:24

a reason why he came back. And I hope that

25:26

reason, a big part of

25:29

that allows him to improve on

25:31

some of the things that he needs to improve on, and

25:33

then he's able to roll from there.

25:35

No, 100%. He had 15 missed tackles last

25:37

year, man. And I think when you look

25:39

at it, just the theme of it is the more

25:41

you can do with the come down playing safety, 266 snaps

25:44

in the box, 190 snaps at free safety, 129 at

25:50

the slot corner position in the nickel. So

25:52

he does a lot of different things and moves around a

25:55

whole lot. And I was watching some JT

25:57

Tuma Loa.

25:59

No, I didn't say that last name correctly,

26:02

but the defensive end for Ohio State and

26:04

ransom showcase he popped a few times

26:06

for me for both good and bad reasons and

26:09

inconsistency you talk about, especially as a tackler,

26:11

he is a kind of more physical. So

26:13

he wants to deliver big hits,

26:16

but that also leads to some poor technique

26:18

and just miss tackle. So, somebody

26:21

I'm keeping an eye on with him, because he's

26:23

got the size 6'1, 205 pounds, good athlete, like I said, especially

26:28

playing in the box and being kind of a big one

26:30

of those hybrid nickel defenders. And he's got

26:32

the size to potentially match up

26:34

with those tight ends Keith at the

26:37

next level because at the end of the

26:39

day, that's what you really want from safety

26:41

nowadays. You want guys to be able to

26:44

have the size and the ability to match

26:46

up in the nickel

26:49

against these big body tight ends who are just essentially

26:51

bigger receivers. But Keith,

26:53

another name that came to mind

26:55

in terms of size, 6'2 10 was

26:58

Kenny Logan over at Kenny Logan Junior

27:00

at Kansas, man. And a guy that, like I

27:02

said, you continue to talk about versatility and

27:05

how they use these safeties, man. 300, almost 400

27:07

snaps at free safety, almost 180 snaps at the

27:09

slot defender

27:12

position and almost 290 snaps in the box. So

27:15

a guy that can do a little bit of everything, I do

27:17

have some questions regarding his speed. Does

27:20

he have that speed to consistently play on

27:22

the roof at the very top of the defense? But

27:24

a guy that can be a physical hitter, he clearly

27:26

can be, he can move them around because his

27:29

pursuit and his pursuit and chase angles.

27:32

I'm gonna tell you what kind of remind me of a little bit, JL

27:34

Skinner

27:35

in terms of a guy that just like hunts down when

27:37

he hunts the ball. He's a, he shows good range

27:40

in terms of sideline to sideline in the box

27:42

region. Like I said, trying to play sideline to sideline

27:44

from deep safeties, a little different ask

27:46

in terms of speed as you know, you

27:48

know what I mean? Being over there, DBU, LSU,

27:51

you're told all the time you were there. But,

27:53

but now I'm interested to see

27:56

what he's gonna be able to do. Cuz you know over there Kansas

27:58

is a big 12 and we know.

27:59

know what the big 12 likes to do.

28:01

They can swing that thing. They're going to slow that ball all over

28:03

the field. So I'm

28:05

interested. I think Kansas is in our

28:07

boy Ryan Fowler's region. So I'm

28:10

interested to see when he gets to Kenny Logan

28:12

Jr. And then when I get a chance to get my eyes

28:14

on him as well to really break

28:16

down this tape and see what he fully, what his

28:18

full skillset is. But guys, as always, that's

28:20

our safety introduction to

28:23

the 2024 Scout Summer Scouting series

28:26

guys. And I think that's pretty much it for us now.

28:29

I think we're all awake. We

28:31

do

28:31

have, you know, tap into us tomorrow. We

28:33

can get into those details and get into tackles. Because

28:36

there's some intriguing guys and some interesting prospects

28:39

in the Interior Defense of Line group that

28:41

we could definitely tap into and really give

28:43

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29:02

not so much rank, but break down the names and give

29:04

you names for the Interior Defense of Line group because

29:07

at the end of the day, you're always gonna need those big boys in

29:09

the middle. Because the trench warfare is where games are

29:11

won and lost at all levels of

29:13

football. So in terms of Twitter, you can

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