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0:55

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0:57

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0:59

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packers Bears in

1:56

a game that could be

1:58

the

1:59

Aaron Rogers against Nathan Peterman.

2:02

We don't know if Justin

2:04

Fields is gonna play in this game.

2:06

That's a that's a big difference. I think

2:08

between say Trevor Simien, who's

2:10

apparently having surgery. And

2:14

someone else, whether it's Tim Boyle and Nathan Peterman,

2:16

you heard Lauren Cox on this show earlier this

2:18

week say,

2:20

Why did

2:21

they sign Tim Boyle so early in

2:23

the week if it were

2:25

a for sure thing that Justin Fields

2:27

was gonna play? That seemed like a reasonable

2:29

question to be asking? I think we

2:31

have to be asking ourselves that question. I don't

2:33

think it matters. The packers are road

2:35

favorites for a reason.

2:39

and it's because this bears defense is terrible.

2:42

Now, I know we went through this with the lions and we're gonna

2:44

talk about some of the coming up in a bit, but

2:47

That's that's the key. Is

2:50

this defense for the Bears cannot stop anybody?

2:52

Now the hacker's defense especially against the run

2:54

has also had its issues? So,

2:57

certainly, if it's just in fields, that's gonna

2:59

add a different element to this

3:01

Chicago offense. Now, the David Bakhtiari

3:03

part of this.

3:04

It

3:07

raises even more questions

3:10

about David future with not because

3:12

he had to have emergency appendectomy surgery.

3:15

That's a weird random one off, presumably

3:17

he will not have to have that

3:20

kind of surgery again, but it is it

3:22

it's just emblematic of

3:25

the kind of experience the packers have had with

3:28

him this season. And

3:30

I was just tweeting

3:32

about how good

3:35

he had been over

3:38

the last three weeks and we hadn't had

3:41

to wonder

3:42

about him. tackles

3:45

without a sack or a QB

3:47

hit allowed. There

3:49

are three of them. Lane

3:51

Johnson, David Bockieri, and Ronnie Stanley.

3:54

He has been one of the best offensive

3:57

tackles in football when he's been on the field.

3:59

But that when he's been on the field has been

4:01

a huge

4:03

caveat

4:04

this season. And

4:07

that raises questions about

4:09

his future.

4:13

Given the money on the contract, given

4:15

the potential savings that the packers

4:17

could see from no longer

4:20

paying that contract, especially if they have

4:22

to continue to pay Aaron Rogers contract.

4:25

Would they release David if

4:27

it meant you know, isolating

4:31

or antagonizing Aaron Rogers?

4:34

These are important questions. Now the out

4:36

in his deal if you if you go to like Spot

4:38

Track. They mentioned

4:40

twenty twenty three after this season

4:42

as an out, but it still means twenty three

4:44

million in dead cap. Not

4:47

great. Now you could post June one

4:49

him and then, you know,

4:51

you spread the cap hit out a little bit.

4:54

that dead cap, it's

4:56

still not great. And and this is

4:58

a this is a really difficult thing because

5:01

he's a beloved Packers.

5:04

And he is a beloved teammate.

5:06

He's a leader on this team. He's one of the best

5:08

players in football at his position

5:11

when he's out there. He's best

5:13

friends with the quarterback. You

5:15

don't want to move on from a guy like that.

5:18

He earned this contract, by

5:20

being arguably the best left tackle

5:22

in football, a premium position, so

5:26

you don't wanna have to move on from someone

5:28

like that. But

5:30

the packers might be in a position to go

5:32

well. If we if

5:34

we don't know game to game day to

5:37

if you can play That creates

5:39

too much uncertainty in our ecosystem and

5:41

we can't have that. I think that's a reasonable

5:43

position for the Packers State. I don't know that that's the one

5:46

that they will take. but it is a reasonable

5:48

one to have. Now, this

5:50

is a great opportunity for

5:52

us to see what Zach Tom has at left

5:54

tackle. You're gonna have Zach Tom and Yogesh Niman.

5:56

And the reason it is a perfect opportunity

5:58

is

5:59

because

6:02

cameras to Packers. This

6:04

is not a good pass rush.

6:07

Like, they have some they have some, I

6:10

don't know, satisfactory interior

6:12

rushes Justin Jones

6:15

can do some things.

6:17

But in terms of air rushes, Travis

6:19

Gibson, Dominate Robinson,

6:23

Taco Charleston off the scrap heap on,

6:25

like, his eighth team in two seasons,

6:28

They just can't create pressure on

6:30

the quarterback, and we saw it against a jets offensive

6:33

line that in past protection is not great.

6:35

It's

6:38

not great.

6:40

So look,

6:44

hi I

6:45

think Packers are gonna be in good position to

6:47

protect in this game. It

6:49

is a great showcase for Zac Tom.

6:52

By the way, perfect time for the biweek?

6:55

Because remember Joe Burrow had

6:57

had off season appendectomy surgery, and

6:59

he missed some time in in Campbell it took him

7:02

a little while to get back.

7:03

It's no lock that that David Octori

7:06

is gonna be back for the Rams, but

7:07

having the extra week

7:09

makes it easier two weeks off

7:11

to recover. I still think there's there's a decent

7:14

chance he hits IR and it's just done for the season.

7:16

and in the much the same way that you have the chance

7:18

to showcase short in love.

7:21

Maybe you have the showcase the chance to showcase

7:24

Zach Tom and much the same way

7:27

that that Jordan Love's play

7:29

could dictate what the packers decide

7:32

the future of Aaron Rogers is. The

7:35

packers could also be looking at Zac

7:37

Tom and saying, well, if

7:39

this guy can play left tackle,

7:41

Then

7:41

maybe it does make sense to find

7:43

a trade partner for David Bakhtiari or

7:46

something so that

7:48

you can save some money and now you have this

7:50

other player, you have this younger core, you're

7:52

going to and that's something you probably only

7:54

do if you're also going to Jordan Love. So

7:56

this young core can grow together, you pay

7:58

Josh Neiman, you have

8:01

Zac Tom, you pay Alvin Jenkins,

8:03

and now you have this excellent core

8:05

on the offensive line. All

8:07

young Packers.

8:10

And then you have Jordan Love

8:12

and you have young receivers, Christian

8:14

Watson, Romeo Dobbs, A. J. Dillon

8:16

in the back field, Aaron Jones in the back field,

8:19

you figure out the tight end position moving forward,

8:22

and you have a great young core.

8:25

It would be nice to have more data

8:28

points on ZacTom. You

8:31

hate that it would have to come at the expense

8:33

of something like this for a guy

8:35

who, as is pointed out in the in the

8:37

YouTube chat, Just can't catch a break.

8:39

I mean, this is brutal after two years

8:42

to be in position where you're finally playing

8:44

and finally doing well, and

8:46

back out there with your guys and to have something

8:48

like this pop up, it's just brutal, but it

8:50

might be. It legitimately

8:53

might be the end of his career in Green Bay.

8:56

It really might be. Like, there's a non

8:59

zero chance because

9:01

in if if he can't be back for the Rams

9:03

game, and

9:04

then you're going join love, why would you put him

9:06

out there? Now

9:08

the answer might be

9:09

that if he's going to

9:12

be released or traded in off season that you

9:14

want them out there with Jordan Love to maximize

9:17

the evaluation points you have on Jordan Love, but it's also

9:19

useful to get some ZacTom data points as well.

9:22

Okay, other injuries to talk about in this game.

9:24

Romeo Doubs a good chance to play in

9:27

this game? You'd love to see it.

9:29

The first time since Christian Watson

9:31

has become a dude that you have Romeo Doubs

9:34

out there, those two guys together, This

9:37

Chicago secondary is in Campbell. Eddie

9:39

Jackson is gone. They have Jalen Johnson

9:41

and a bunch of guys you've never heard of because

9:43

they're not very good. Tyler

9:45

Gordon, Jacan Brisker, will see what the situation

9:48

is with them. And for

9:50

for the packers, this is another great

9:52

opportunity.

9:54

to

9:55

see what the combination

9:59

of Christian Watson and Romeo Dobbs

10:01

can be Joquam

10:04

Risker, by the way, already ruled out in

10:06

this game. Keller Gordon also ruled out.

10:09

Trevor Simeon also ruled out.

10:12

So it's gonna be a patchwork secondary. This

10:14

is gonna be a this is this is a game.

10:16

Unlike the lions like, they played their starters,

10:20

This this offense looks totally different from

10:22

that team. But also this defense

10:24

is I know

10:26

that that lion's defense was statistically

10:29

one of the worst in the league and one of the worst ever,

10:31

but these

10:33

are like AAA players. This is this is a

10:35

college team out there right now. Like,

10:37

their best defensive player right now is Jack Sandborn

10:40

who is a UDFA.

10:42

Outside of Jalen Johnson,

10:45

Gail

10:45

and Johnson is a legit

10:47

high level corner and then everyone else.

10:50

You can't build a defense around one corner.

10:52

Ask

10:52

the packers they're trying.

10:55

And

10:55

then, Deandre Campbell might be back in this

10:57

game. He practiced all week.

11:00

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11:00

sign for him. And

11:02

this is something that we're gonna talk about

11:04

coming up.

11:06

I

11:07

I don't know how much of the the

11:09

momentum Idea

11:11

that I buy late in the season, but

11:13

there is value to getting some continuity

11:15

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11:18

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So

13:51

I

13:53

wanna talk about

13:55

a big picture topic here.

13:57

And I

13:59

wanna try and

14:00

frame it through the lens of this game. So

14:03

for the Packers,

14:04

offensively,

14:07

you want to see this

14:09

this

14:10

run continue they score thirty

14:12

plus against the cowboys. They score thirty against

14:15

the Eagles. And

14:17

it is a really nice

14:19

you know, they they offense didn't look quite as good Tennessee.

14:21

That's a really good defense. This is a really bad defense.

14:25

You should score thirty on this defense.

14:28

Romeo Dobbs is Bakhtiari he's

14:30

back. Even if he's not. Even if it's just

14:32

the receivers you've been trotting out the last couple weeks.

14:34

Even if it's just the same offensive line

14:36

with Zac Tom, The

14:38

jets with

14:39

the

14:40

Mike White,

14:42

not the mike not the white Doubs Mike White,

14:44

just scored thirty on this defense.

14:46

You should score thirty on this defense.

14:48

There

14:50

is value in doing that

14:52

in keeping this rhythm and in creating

14:54

this continuity because number one,

14:57

it's just good for morale. It's just

15:00

good for the team. Number

15:02

two, it's good for

15:05

the perception of the coaches.

15:08

Mad La Flora is going to be the coach next year.

15:12

You want the guys who are sticking around have been

15:14

harping on this all season, to

15:16

have faith especially in your offensive

15:19

coaching staff because Mad La Fluor is an offensive coach.

15:22

And so, you want to continue

15:25

to look great. Now, do I buy into

15:27

this idea of momentum? You finish the season

15:29

strong and that carries over into the next season? I

15:32

don't.

15:33

I don't.

15:34

There's

15:36

no there's no real statistical evidence

15:38

for it.

15:40

And I, you know, I I had some people

15:42

say, hey, look, two thousand six. That

15:44

was a tough season, but at the end of the year, they won

15:46

a couple games that carried over in two thousand seven.

15:49

No. Two thousand seventeen was just better, and they

15:51

played better, and they executed better, and they just

15:54

were better.

15:56

I I just don't I don't see

15:58

a reason to think

15:59

that that has anything to do with finishing

16:02

strong.

16:04

This

16:04

team is gonna look different.

16:05

Adrian

16:08

Amos is not gonna be in the building. Campbell

16:11

Savage could get traded.

16:14

Alma's

16:17

art is he gonna be back?

16:21

Like, this is this is gonna look somewhat different.

16:24

I think

16:26

president Smith is going to be back. I think and

16:28

Jones, they're gonna rework that deal. He

16:30

is he is proven how valuable he

16:32

is to this offense. He will be back

16:34

on a much lower cap number. They can do

16:36

it by spreading out the bonus and all this stuff,

16:39

he's gonna be back. But there

16:41

are going to be some differences and

16:44

they're gonna bring in Packers. And

16:46

so it's all gonna be different enough that any

16:48

momentum that you get is isblunted

16:50

to a point. But

16:53

what you wanna do is create a an

16:55

environment where the players continue

16:58

to believe in the coaches.

17:00

Now,

17:02

defensively. If

17:04

this is Nathan Peterman or

17:06

Tim Boyle or whomever at quarterback

17:09

not Justin Fields,

17:12

then you need to beat the daylights

17:14

out of that guy. Like,

17:16

if this is a game where they scored twenty four

17:19

with Tim Boyle at quarterback.

17:22

That's a big problem and and that

17:24

is the kind of thing that makes you go. If you're

17:26

out on the floor, I mean, look, I said a week

17:28

ago, Joe

17:29

Bears gotta go.

17:30

And there are people even before that

17:32

saying the same thing. If

17:35

you can't get stops against Tim Boyle,

17:38

And a bad supporting cast,

17:40

no Darrel Mooney in this game, Riley

17:43

Reef, injured. Like,

17:47

Vela

17:48

Jones probably gonna be a healthy scratch.

17:51

This

17:52

is a bad offense.

17:55

This is a bad offense. It's

17:57

only made better by the fact that Justin

17:59

Fields is a dynamic runner. And

18:02

so, okay, if that's the case, great.

18:04

Second part of that is, adjusting fields does

18:06

play.

18:09

You

18:09

just got run all over by a quarterback.

18:11

What

18:13

is the adjustment, Joe Barry? You wanna keep your job

18:15

through the end of the season? You gotta figure

18:17

out how to do this. You gotta figure

18:19

what the situation is. You gotta figure out

18:21

how to handle zone read. How to handle QB

18:24

power in these design runs. Now, is Chicago

18:26

going to want to do that? I continue to believe

18:28

that despite the fact that Justin Fields has

18:31

no injury designation. that

18:34

Ryan Poles and Maddie Ruffles and the

18:36

powers of being in Chicago are gonna look at

18:38

this and go, There's

18:40

no upside really for the packers. There's

18:42

no or for the bears. There's really no upside

18:45

against the packers is what I'm trying

18:47

to say. I know it's the packers and

18:49

we wanna beat them, but there's really no upside

18:51

for us in playing Dustin Field because if he gets

18:53

hurt again, that shoulder could be really

18:55

badly injured and we don't wanna deal with that. that's

18:58

really bad for him, for his development, for us

19:00

because they're still trying to get a look at him too.

19:03

They're

19:03

gonna have a top five pick.

19:06

What

19:06

if they love CJ Stroud?

19:08

What if they love Bryce Young? What do they love

19:10

Will Nevis?

19:13

They they need to know that Justin Fields is making

19:15

progress as a pastor, not just a runner. He's

19:19

gotta be out there to do that. So

19:21

are you willing to just say, okay. Well, this one last

19:23

game, that's fine if he's not out there.

19:27

Because then you get in for

19:29

the last four or five games of the Bears, let

19:31

this thing heal, and then you get a better chance to

19:33

evaluate. Not just him, but

19:35

Chase Clay Pool, who's gonna want an

19:37

extension this summer. Equinamey

19:39

is Saint Brown. Is he an actual member

19:41

of this team moving forward? Dante Perez, Byron

19:43

Pringle, Nikhilah Harry? all

19:45

these receivers, you

19:48

wanna get a better read on them. And

19:50

and if he's playing hurt the rest of the year,

19:52

That's

19:54

not ideal.

19:56

So,

19:57

while

19:59

I don't

19:59

buy into the idea of momentum, there are still

20:02

things that you wanna see the progress

20:04

that you wanna see. This is not a team going to the playoffs

20:07

on either side of the field. So

20:10

you wanna see them make some incremental improvements.

20:12

You wanna see some of the guys that you really

20:14

like, or you think you like

20:16

Zach Tom, Romeo Doubs? Like

20:19

Christian Watson is already stacked. He's

20:22

stacked game on game on game.

20:24

So

20:25

it's time to just be fully excited even

20:27

if he has a bad game here or

20:29

there. We have seen what that

20:31

high end

20:32

looks like. And

20:34

then it's just about staying consistent,

20:36

but we've seen him stack when he's the he's the most

20:38

easily. Everyone knows he's the most dynamic guy

20:40

in the field. Three

20:43

straight weeks, he looks like

20:45

one of the scariest receivers in football.

20:47

And

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no one is gonna do that for seventeen weeks.

20:53

But the fact that he's done it and built on

20:55

it as a rookie suggests there

20:57

is incredible upside there and that

20:59

he can be consistent with it. Let's see what

21:02

he looks like with

21:04

Romeo Dobbs. Let's

21:05

see what Romeo Dobbs looks like. Can he put

21:07

together a couple nice weeks here with

21:09

Christian Watson drawing all this attention?

21:13

This is meaningful

21:15

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21:16

Keishan Nixon out there for Campbell Savage.

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win

21:21

a job. Go win a job, Kishan.

21:24

Go win a job. We would love to see it.

21:26

Rudy

21:26

Ford, go go ensure

21:29

you're on this team next year.

21:31

That would be awesome. There's

21:34

still so much that can be decided in

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21:40

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I

23:15

did get a question on Twitter

23:18

about

23:19

Mike Zimmer and whether

23:20

or not he was a viable defensive coordinator candidate.

23:23

I think he is a viable defensive coordinator candidate

23:25

I don't know if it's for the Packers

23:28

kinda chilly relationship between Maleflor

23:30

and Mike Zimmer. I don't know if he'd be down for that. I don't know if

23:32

he wants a coach anymore. There

23:35

are obviously other options out there. Jim Leonard

23:37

is the trending name right now. I think that continues

23:39

to be where I am in terms of my top choice

23:41

for this job that, you know, I

23:43

I don't think Matador has to fire Joe Barry

23:46

for us to believe he's going to fire Joe Barry.

23:49

I don't think he has to fire him in season, I mean.

23:52

And I think, you know, what is it is it a

23:54

lock? Todd Boles is gonna be the coach of the Tampa

23:56

Bay buccaneers next year?

23:57

I

23:59

don't know. I

24:01

don't know.

24:02

There's there's some discussion in

24:04

the chat about Kenny Clark's

24:07

status with the team. Kenny Clark is gonna be on this

24:09

team. He

24:11

he just signed a four year seventy million

24:13

dollar deal It's

24:16

it's twenty million in dead cap.

24:18

If they if they get out of it

24:21

this off season, I just don't see that. Now

24:23

he's got a thirteen million dollar base salary.

24:26

He's got a roster bonus. There's

24:28

wait. They could convert that money into

24:30

cap. He's already got dead on

24:32

the back end twenty five and twenty six are

24:34

dead so you could already

24:36

just push money forward. I assume

24:39

that is what they're going to do.

24:41

the it's

24:42

gonna be fine. He's gonna be on his team. Don't worry

24:44

about it. Alright. I'm a little bit under the weather.

24:47

So we are going to And

24:50

it there, thanks to everyone who hung out with

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