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1:24

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1:26

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1:29

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1:32

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1:34

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1:36

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1:38

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1:41

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1:43

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1:45

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1:47

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1:54

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1:56

Dellingpole and my very good friend,

1:58

Mr. Toby Young. Toby's

2:00

I am utterly bereft.

2:04

What what's what's happened? It's

2:07

the end of the hunting season. Mhmm. I

2:10

had I had my last hunt

2:12

on Saturday -- Right.

2:14

-- and it was a

2:17

a fitting end to the season. We

2:19

had a field, that's the number

2:21

of riders following the hunt. Or

2:24

I think it was hundred and fifty three or a

2:26

hundred and fifty four, which

2:28

is a lot. mean,

2:30

very rarely to hunt, get that many

2:32

people. I think maybe some of the think

2:34

the both that possibly gets that, but but

2:36

most of them

2:37

And you you weren't follow it. You were in the kind

2:39

of you were you were part of the hunt and being

2:41

followed where you whoever got the term No. No. No.

2:43

You got terminology wrong. The the field

2:46

are all the riders that what

2:48

you are is a mounted spectator. The hunt

2:50

is just the body of the huntsman and the Woodberson.

2:53

Right. Very small number of people. But

2:55

the the field are the people on horseback

2:57

who follow in their

2:59

black coats or their red coats or

3:01

whatever. Right. Right. And You

3:04

have a red coat or a black coat, James. A

3:06

black coat. But you know what? Even

3:08

if I were entitled to a red

3:10

coat, I think I'd probably still

3:12

wear black. A night black. And

3:15

reds a bit. It's a bit in

3:17

your face. Right. The the

3:19

the reason that you you wear red,

3:21

really, is so that you can be

3:23

seen. So for example, if you're the field

3:25

master and everyone has to follow

3:27

you, then clearly it's quite important that

3:29

you you be you you

3:31

stick

3:32

out. Good everyone else. I think think black is

3:34

black or or navy blue is is

3:36

is good. But it's kind of odd that you would you would

3:38

reject red on the that it's

3:40

a bit in your face and yet being

3:42

atop a horse with a black

3:45

tailcoat on were in white jobbers

3:47

shouting tallying. Green. That's green.

3:49

Green. Green jobbers. You look at

3:50

that one. That's not even right now. That's quite That's

3:52

very, very in

3:55

in predictable. Well, I I think you wanna

3:57

you wanna kind of blend in.

3:59

I think understated is is

4:01

good. But it doesn't it doesn't

4:03

sound very

4:04

It was it was particularly it

4:06

was particularly exciting for me because

4:09

I broke my my

4:11

hedge juju. The the this time last

4:14

year, III

4:16

jumped ahead.

4:17

Woke. Woke. Something else didn't you? No.

4:18

No. No. No. That's h's okay. Okay. I jumped ahead

4:21

rubber badly and and came

4:23

off. And my horse my horse

4:25

ran off. And when he came back, when he

4:27

was retrieved for me, my loose

4:29

horse. I found that my

4:32

Saddle Flask, which had previously

4:34

been full of the finest aged

4:36

slow gin, had been drunk almost

4:39

dry by the by the lads who retrieved

4:41

the horse. The so it was not only

4:43

humiliating, but it was also kind of depressing

4:46

falling off a hedge. And and and and thereafter,

4:48

I was I didn't do any more hedges

4:50

that day. I was all nervous and and stuff.

4:52

And this this day, I knew there were gonna be

4:54

hedges. And I knew that somehow I

4:57

had to face my demons. And

4:59

so I saw this hedge approaching and I

5:01

and I thought, oh, bloody. I I so

5:03

didn't want to do this. It was it was a hedge. It

5:06

was going down the slope, so you had to

5:08

take it, sort of going going

5:10

up across across the slope.

5:12

And then I heard somebody else say, oh, well, it's

5:15

you know, it's it's it's not as

5:17

it it's perfectly doable.

5:19

You're managed. And I thought, well, I I'm gonna manage

5:21

too. So what you've gotta do? With

5:24

a hedge. You kick on and

5:27

you you hope the horse

5:29

the horse has enough momentum

5:31

and enough desire. To go over

5:33

the hedge. And you kind of leave your leave

5:35

your your horse to make to make up its mind.

5:39

But you've got a lot of time. You've got a long

5:41

runner a lot of time in which to see the hedge

5:43

getting bigger and bigger and bigger as you get

5:45

closer and a lot of time to

5:47

get quite quite nervous. And

5:51

I have to say it is the most exciting

5:53

thing about hunting. It is like

5:55

when you're when you're sort of milling

5:57

around and then you

6:00

see a head ahead ahead of you and you realize

6:02

that this is where where you're going and the

6:04

fieldmaster leads you forward

6:06

and the horses suddenly pick up

6:08

speed and that you can feel this

6:11

this sort of excitement spreading

6:14

across it across the hunt. It's like being in the

6:16

cavalry charge. And you all

6:18

hurl yourselves at this hedge unless

6:20

you wanna go

6:21

round, of course. But, I mean, the new hedge But

6:22

you don't have to take turns. You sort of you're

6:24

all jumping this hedge more or less. That's

6:27

the good thing about hedges. That's where we like

6:29

hedges because it's the last it it

6:32

it some people say that that

6:34

the hunting died at in the

6:36

early twentieth century when when

6:40

there was a lot more wire you

6:43

know, pick there was a lot less

6:46

country to hunt and so on. But

6:49

and because in the old days, you could take their own line.

6:51

You did you you didn't follow a fieldmaster. You just

6:53

went wherever you wherever you could to get

6:55

over. And yeah.

6:57

So with a hedge, you can all

7:00

jump over in in line abreast

7:02

or pretty much. And and you you

7:04

you take your own line, and it's very

7:06

exciting because as you

7:08

can imagine, you spend more time airborne because

7:11

a hedge is wider than a fence.

7:12

And Anyway,

7:16

it's it's great. I did seven hedges.

7:18

Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. You're

7:20

now a hedge master.

7:23

Yeah. And and and at the when

7:25

you've done it, you you you you come right at

7:27

the other side and and you're still alive.

7:29

And you you look at the person

7:32

next to you who who like

7:34

us not as this attractive girl.

7:37

And and you say, wow. How cool was

7:39

that? And she goes, yeah. Yeah. I

7:41

said,

7:41

it's

7:42

it's great. It really is. Flirting

7:44

on horseback. Thank you, Lee James.

7:47

Well, III had in my

7:49

own way very exciting experience. I

7:51

I was a guest of one

7:53

of the senior executives at

7:55

Queen's Park Rangers football club

7:58

at the club on Saturday. So I was invited

8:00

to the executive dining

8:02

room and then the director's

8:05

box to watch the game QPRV Birmingham,

8:09

a must win game which we, of course, went on

8:12

to lose. But and

8:14

I and I thought, are they you

8:16

know, is this senior exec sizing me

8:18

up? As a potential board member. And

8:20

I have to say, gents, I wouldn't mind

8:23

being on the board of QPR. And

8:26

So I thought, well, I'll take Caroline with

8:28

me. Because he said you can bring a guest and it could

8:30

have taken one of my teenage sons. I thought,

8:32

no. I'll take my wife's, you know, get

8:35

her to wear a nice dress and I

8:37

can count on her to be charming and

8:39

funny and generally create

8:41

a favorable impression. So, you know, enhance

8:44

my prospects of being punched

8:47

to join the board. And but it

8:49

it quickly dawned on me, James. I'd pro been there for about

8:51

thirty seconds if I was not being sized up

8:53

as a potential board member. I think this

8:55

executive had just read one

8:57

of my spectator pieces about being a QPR

9:00

fan and and had thought it would be

9:02

nice to to invite me, you know, to

9:04

keep me on side. And I'm, you know, I'm

9:06

not too mean about the club when I write about them for

9:08

for the spectators. Anyway, it was it was

9:10

very nice. It was very nice kind of being in the

9:12

dining room. I sat next to Les

9:14

Ferdinand

9:15

footballing legend director of

9:17

football at a QPR. He's

9:19

no he's no Matt Latus here. think

9:23

he got it. None none of them are Mattus

9:25

here. Mattus here. It's the only football that

9:27

counts. Because he's the only one that stood out. All the

9:29

rest just a bunch of cowards.

9:31

Well, obviously, IIII

9:34

don't concur. Sorry. Why not?

9:36

Why don't you? Because actually

9:39

Les Ferdinand spoke out against

9:42

the taking of the knee at

9:44

the very beginning during the

9:46

height of the BLM in Broglio. He said it was

9:48

a pointless piece of virtue signaling

9:50

wasn't gonna reduce racism in football

9:53

one. I Iota, and as far as he was concerned,

9:55

there was waste of time, which was quite courageous

9:57

I thought at the time. Bear with you on CubicJobs.

10:00

I don't know. But

10:02

I don't know I mean, I think I mean, Matt Leticia

10:05

may be, you know, one

10:07

of the few ex footballers to publicly

10:10

speak out against mRNA

10:12

vaccines. But I think quite a few footballers haven't

10:15

taken them. Yeah. There

10:17

there seems to be quite a lot of evidence quite

10:19

if you haven't taken

10:20

them. I think a month And some clubs I

10:23

think I've heard. Some clubs haven't haven't

10:25

maintained it. Yeah. Which which would have given

10:27

them a massive competitive advantage over

10:29

those that that have. Because, I mean, if

10:31

it if it if it seems at the GB job,

10:33

there would have been hamstrung, weren't they? Whereas,

10:35

if if if they're all they're all clean,

10:38

they're not gonna get myocarditis stuff, which

10:40

is quite an advantage not having myocarditis

10:42

as a as a young man running about a football

10:44

pitch.

10:45

Yeah. Well, I I don't know if perhaps that

10:47

that that I don't know if that's entered into their calculations

10:49

or whether it's just been the reluctance of some of the

10:51

for us to actually take the jab, which has meant

10:54

that, you know, they haven't imposed vaccine

10:56

mandates in their clubs. But anyway so

10:58

I don't think that Cizia is entirely alone in being a

11:00

vaccine skeptic, but he may be

11:02

he may be one of the few, if not the only footballer,

11:05

too, probably, a pickup of others.

11:07

Anyway, so that was my weekend. It

11:09

was, you know, depressing that we we went

11:11

on to lose one

11:12

nil, but very nice to watch. But do you reckon?

11:14

That's a sports.

11:15

I mean, do you do you think you have a chance of being

11:17

made a director? No. It

11:20

was all a fantasy.

11:21

Do you think that you have a bigger chance?

11:24

Are you more likely to be a director of QPR

11:27

or to get elevated if

11:29

that's the the word to the House

11:31

of Lords? I think they're equally

11:34

distant prospects, James, but I think

11:36

if I am elevated the House of Lords, my

11:38

chances of being made a director of QPR

11:41

will definitely go

11:42

up, particularly if I'm Lord Jung at Acton.

11:45

Can I just say that I think it would

11:47

be the best thing for you? If

11:50

you got made a director of QPR

11:52

because it might take away your

11:55

desire to chase after the

11:57

the Of a place in

11:59

the lords. You might feel that you'd

12:01

you'd I'd made it. Knowing you, you wouldn't

12:03

actually want you because you are quite ambitious. You

12:05

do you you do quite like you

12:07

do want to become part of the

12:08

establishment.

12:09

I want every Baubles on terrarium going,

12:12

James. But

12:13

do you know the things you have to do to get those ball

12:15

balls? I

12:15

know. III that that that that that's

12:18

that's very much Adrenaclofen, we have to take

12:20

before you get Yeah. I don't know.

12:22

Yeah. Ramp. Yeah. I wouldn't I really wouldn't

12:24

get

12:24

there, but

12:25

Quite a dirty dirty nose as well. Yeah.

12:27

Stick

12:27

stick stick to QPR. Yeah. I think

12:29

I probably probably the process

12:32

of becoming a director of QPR is ultimately

12:34

less demeaning, less humiliating than

12:36

what you need to go through to become member

12:38

of the House of Lord.

12:40

Yeah. Well, should should we have an ad and then kick

12:42

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which, yeah, we

14:54

should talk about Ted Lasso actually in little

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15:01

that Donald Trump may be arrested

15:04

tomorrow. I thought that was quite an interesting story.

15:07

I'm sure you're all across it, but for

15:09

the sake of our our English listeners

15:11

who may not be across this story. So

15:14

Trump may be arrested

15:16

tomorrow over allegations

15:19

that he paid a hundred and thirty thousand dollars

15:21

in hush money to stormy

15:24

Daniels with whom he

15:26

allegedly had an affair, I think,

15:28

in well, before his presidential

15:30

bid in twenty sixteen,

15:32

his reelection know

15:34

his his first presidential bid. And

15:37

the reason he may be

15:39

arrested in connection with this payment is not

15:41

because paying hush money to porn

15:43

stars is itself against the law.

15:46

But because it it it might

15:48

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15:51

campaign contribution and therefore might

15:53

be a breach of campaign

15:56

finance laws. And Michael

15:58

Cohen, then Trump's personal lawyer

16:00

who arranged the payment supposedly, plead

16:03

guilty to violating campaign finance

16:05

laws in twenty eighteen and went a jail.

16:08

So the attorney general of

16:10

the state of New York is

16:13

hoping to I

16:15

think secure an indictment so he can arrest

16:18

Donald Trump tomorrow. But in order to be arrested,

16:20

Donald Trump will have to give himself

16:22

up in New York.

16:25

And it may be that he just decides to

16:27

remain at Mar a Lago, which is

16:29

in the state of Florida, in which case the New

16:31

York District attorney would have to try

16:33

and extradite Donald Trump

16:35

from the state of Florida, and that would be in the hands

16:38

of Ron DeSantis Trump's

16:40

main rival at the moment for the

16:42

Republican candidacy. So

16:45

that could get quite interesting. And

16:47

Trump, of course, has told

16:49

his his supporters to

16:51

protest if he is arrested. And

16:53

there's been there's been rumors swirling probably

16:56

more within your social

16:58

media feeds the mind, but rumors swirling

17:00

that this is all a set up much like

17:04

January the sixth. And if

17:07

people do protest, there will be kind

17:09

of fifth columnists there stirring

17:12

up Baubles, so they'll all end up in

17:14

jail, and there'll be

17:16

even more suppression of dissent on

17:19

social media and in the mainstream

17:20

media. Anyway, what's your take on that, James? No.

17:22

In in myself because we don't care. Not we're just not

17:24

interested. It's it's just just theatre.

17:27

Not not not interested. Maybe

17:29

we would Trump fans once but now we think he's

17:31

just just slightly

17:34

less bad member

17:36

of the of the corrupt establishment. Right.

17:40

So I I don't I don't I don't buy into any

17:42

of this stormy Daniel's stuff. I mean, the the the

17:45

the nonsense about the what

17:47

was it? The K

17:50

GB prostitutes urinating on him

17:52

or something. I mean, it was all cooked up by yeah.

17:54

It was all cooked up by MI6 for

17:57

for one on behalf of Hillary Clinton

18:00

and that law firm

18:03

in DC. I just think it's

18:05

just silly. It's designed to distract us from

18:07

from far far worse things happening in

18:09

the world. On that comment point,

18:12

James, I don't know if I ever told you this, but I

18:14

may have said this already on London calling in than

18:16

past. But supposedly, the

18:18

story was that there were these sort of unbelievably

18:21

kind of supermodel standard

18:23

attract of Russian

18:26

spies at these various

18:28

international hotels in Moscow trying

18:30

to honey trap, unsuspecting

18:33

politicians into bed

18:36

so they could then photograph them and they'd have some

18:38

compliment on

18:38

them. And then they'd be, you know Is

18:40

that

18:41

way we want to join the lords? Well, they don't want to join

18:43

the ladies and gentlemen. I thought I thought it would be great

18:45

great kind of stunt to do for kind of like a

18:47

lab mag, like, kind of GQ or Esquire

18:50

is because I look look look like William

18:53

Hague, former leader of the conservative

18:55

party, former foreign secretary still, you

18:57

know, a gray eminence

18:59

in the conservative party now in the

19:01

House of Lords. I could go to

19:03

I could check-in to, you know, on the

19:05

tail of some international British delegation

19:08

check-in to, you know, the international hotel

19:10

in Moscow pretend to

19:12

be Lord Hague. And

19:15

just loiter at the barn wait to be honey

19:17

trap by one of these supermodel Oh.

19:20

And then write a very amusing piece about how,

19:22

you know, I I basically had the time of

19:24

my life

19:26

and actually had to break it during the morning that

19:28

was case of missed my day. This problem is

19:31

changed. I think you're about fifteen years

19:33

too late. You obviously haven't looked at these so

19:35

called lads maxed

19:36

recently. The ones you've

19:37

seen, so So painfully woke now.

19:39

The idea of a so a GQ or

19:41

esquire cover is now

19:44

Lewis Hamilton wearing a dress.

19:47

That's that's the kind of stuff they're into. They're

19:49

not interested in in I went

19:51

to a war zone and almost got my

19:53

bollocks shot off or or I'm

19:55

I'm down I'm down to kilo

19:58

with the with the similar car tail.

20:00

Those drawers don't run anymore. It's about

20:03

how I how I changed my sex by

20:05

Toby Young or my

20:06

gender, whatever. You know, that that so

20:08

you Actually, you're right. I I wrote a piece

20:10

for GQ. I think in, like, it

20:12

would have been maybe

20:15

think was published in, like, maybe two

20:17

thousand and one. And it was a

20:19

a reprint of a piece I'd

20:21

done, but which share. Now

20:23

wait a minute. I think

20:24

Yeah. Did GQ refute it? think it might

20:27

have even been too racy for GQ

20:29

James what I what I and it was a reprint

20:31

of piece I'd done for an American landmark, which

20:33

did print it. And the story was

20:35

I dressed up as a lipstick lesbian.

20:38

So I did sort of go on a sort of gender

20:40

bender, but for politically incorrect reasons.

20:42

Yeah. I rest up as a lipstick lesbian

20:44

and did a tour of New York's most

20:46

kind of glamorous lipstick lesbian clubs with

20:48

a view to getting off with a

20:51

lipstick

20:51

lesbian. And the problem was

20:53

that even though I thought I looked very convincing

20:55

and and very attractive, that that certainly

20:58

wasn't the view of the women

21:00

I encountered in the

21:01

You said that Adam's apple? Yeah.

21:03

I I mean, I've got quite feminine legs.

21:06

III you put maybe maybe you could tell. And

21:08

and back in those days, you couldn't kind

21:10

of turn around and accuse an

21:12

attractive lesbian of refusing

21:14

to get off with you. But because you were a man

21:16

dressed as a woman and that she was this was

21:18

the cotton ceiling and she was a transphobe, a

21:20

turf and a bigger for refusing to go home with you.

21:23

Whereas, you know, presumably you could do that now.

21:25

But funny enough, when I then got

21:28

canceled for when

21:31

I was, you know, briefly appointed by

21:33

Theresa May to this new

21:36

regulator. This was brought up by

21:38

Owen Jones and others on

21:40

Sky News as part of the kind of general offense

21:42

archaeology that was done on me. And they were saying I had

21:44

once dressed up as

21:47

a woman in order to

21:49

sexually assault lesbians

21:52

in New York nightclubs.

21:53

That's how they build it. And they said they said if

21:55

if there was an element of deception involved, then

21:57

it was by definition sexual assault

21:59

and I was essentially a sexual predator. Yeah.

22:02

But it but it was it was so disingenuous because

22:04

obviously the point of writing the piece was that

22:06

I crashed and burned, it couldn't persuade any

22:08

of attractive woman to touch me with a bargepole.

22:11

Otherwise, it wouldn't have been remotely

22:12

funny. But anyway, of course, they didn't

22:14

really know it completely. Again with this time.

22:17

I

22:17

think you you are a dangerous sexual predator.

22:20

I thought I might have to call you from now on.

22:22

The danger of sexual predator, Tavy

22:24

Young. Yeah.

22:27

Clearly, there was no predation involved.

22:31

So okay. Here's another

22:33

story, James, that I think you might have some to

22:35

say about, which I don't know if you've seen, but

22:37

in the

22:37

National Assembly in France, a

22:41

law has just, I think, passed its first

22:43

reading which will make it

22:46

illegal for parents to

22:48

share images of their children on

22:50

social media. And I

22:53

wondered whether you'd ever got into trouble. First

22:55

of all, I wondered what you thought about that. Is it

22:57

a kind of encroachment by

22:59

the state on, you know, parental

23:01

responsibility, which is kind of part

23:03

of the attack on the family. Or

23:06

is it actually something quite sensible? Because

23:09

children do need to be protected from their

23:11

mercenary parents trying to get clicks

23:13

and make money from posting cute

23:15

pictures of them kind of trying

23:17

to, you know, cook bagels or whatever

23:19

it might be on Instagram. What's your take

23:21

on it? Well, I've got

23:23

I've got various thoughts on this. It

23:26

reminds me of a time. When

23:28

my kids were about five

23:31

or six, you know, when they sort of they're still

23:34

okay to run around naked in the garden and

23:36

stuff doing whatever would they do and

23:38

if it's in summer. And

23:41

I took some photographs of them

23:43

playing naked badminton with

23:46

their friends. And

23:48

I then took them to or rather

23:51

sent the O'Pair off to the to

23:54

the the the photo place

23:56

to get them developed. And she

23:58

came back and said that they refused to

24:00

develop because they were potentially, you

24:03

know, suspect images. And I

24:05

was thinking, what, how can

24:07

kids holding you're

24:09

clearly holding badminton records,

24:14

playing over badminton net. Playing

24:16

in the garden naked innocently, and there's no sort

24:18

of porn or graphic about these pictures. So I got got

24:20

really really I got really

24:22

paid off because I thought this is the way the sculptures

24:24

everything is becoming incredibly sensorious.

24:29

At the same time, I've noticed

24:32

about this is just an observation

24:34

about social

24:36

media, particularly Twitter.

24:41

That anyone who posts who's

24:43

who's Twitter Avatar, who was Twitter

24:45

picture, shows them with

24:48

their children. With their young

24:50

children or advertises the

24:52

pat that that they are, you know, proud,

24:54

loving dad of -- Yeah. -- of sarah

24:57

and Bad sign usually isn't. It means they

24:59

are a psychopath. They are a really,

25:01

really nasty piece of what anyone who

25:03

talks about their kids is by

25:05

definition a complete wanker. And

25:08

and so on those grounds,

25:11

I think I'm with the French. I think that

25:13

children should be removed from people's

25:16

social media altogether because

25:18

because people who do it are are

25:21

basically evil and should be should

25:23

be right Yes. I'm

25:27

under this new law, I think I could

25:29

be prosecuted for a number

25:31

of violations. III

25:34

sometimes publish pictures of

25:36

me with my teenage boys, two

25:39

of whom are under eighteen now. What? Playing

25:41

Badminton in the new. No, not naked, fully

25:43

clothed at QPR matches. Alright.

25:46

And but, yeah,

25:49

for me, the more relevant accusation,

25:52

I think, is not that I've exploited my

25:54

children's images on social

25:56

media to promote myself. It's that I've written

25:59

about my children in various columns. And

26:01

I used to be able to get away with that

26:03

when they were much younger because, you know, they'd

26:05

bother to read my spectator

26:07

column and none of their friends read it so we'd point

26:10

it out to

26:10

them. But now, you know,

26:12

once they

26:13

reach the age of about thirteen or fourteen,

26:15

if I mention one of in my spectator column.

26:17

Even

26:18

even if it's, I think, quite a flattering white, I have

26:20

them saying something quite funny. They

26:22

get really cross. But then Rachel

26:25

Johnson, Boris'

26:27

sister told them

26:30

that she'd worked she'd come to an arrangement with

26:32

her children when she a prolific

26:34

columnist whereby every time she mentioned

26:37

one of them in one of her columns, she'd have

26:39

to pay them seventy five

26:40

pounds. So now my children assist

26:42

that if I ever mention them, they don't actually mind

26:44

they like it, but I have to compensate

26:47

them by paying them at least seventy five

26:49

pounds, which of course means I never do it.

26:52

Wow. Yeah. I I think

26:54

that's that's good. Yeah. You're you're actually right.

26:56

They they do they do load it. I don't I

26:58

don't write about my

27:00

Well, III wouldn't dare actually. I wouldn't

27:02

dare. No. No. No. I I think once

27:04

they once think once they reach the age of about

27:06

fourteen, it's obviously extremely

27:08

apparent. Us to include pictures

27:10

or write about your children. Yeah.

27:13

Anyway, well, we're we're we're both reasonably

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So James, so I don't

28:38

know if you've been seeing all these memes

28:42

depicting Suwala BRAVEN, who

28:44

is currently I think or at

28:46

least yesterday was in Rwanda,

28:48

where she was in expecting the

28:53

residential compounds where undocumented

28:58

migrants arriving in the UK

29:01

on small boats would be will

29:03

be relocated to once we can sort

29:05

out our problem with the of being

29:07

called a human rights. So she was

29:09

there inspecting these

29:12

residential facilities, which, you know,

29:14

on the face of it looked actually quite

29:16

comfortable. And in one of the pictures,

29:18

she was smiling evidently

29:20

having just shared a joke

29:23

with two people, both

29:25

black on either side of her. And

29:28

the the kind of first level of

29:30

meaning just cut the two black

29:32

people out of the photograph, so it had her smiling

29:35

in front of what was billed as an internment camp,

29:38

making her supposedly look incredibly

29:40

heartless. And then the second level

29:43

was to was to substitute the picture

29:45

of the internment camp in the background for

29:48

a picture of Outfetch. And

29:51

and and that one of those pictures was

29:53

retweeted, I think, by James O'Brien.

29:56

He may have only retweeted the first level of me,

29:58

not the second, not sure. But certainly, a

30:00

lot of people on the left, the very

30:02

same people James. Who got completely

30:05

outraged when Andrew Bridgien

30:07

quoted a cardiologist saying

30:12

that the vaccine rollout was comparable

30:14

to the holocaust. It was a crime against humanity.

30:17

The very people who became absolutely outraged

30:20

at bridging supposed trivialization

30:23

of the holocaust to make a political

30:26

point were absolutely unhesitating.

30:29

In retweeting this meme

30:32

in which swell a

30:34

brief brave woman was depicted laughing

30:36

in front of Auschwitz. I thought that

30:38

was a pretty clear illustration

30:40

of the double standards of the left.

30:44

Yeah. I didn't no. I didn't I didn't

30:46

didn't bind to this this this this Rwanda

30:49

story is another complete distraction. I

30:51

don't believe that that that single

30:53

immigrant is going to end up in

30:55

in Rwanda. I don't think It was ever

30:57

the government's intention to do so. I think I think

31:00

it's a complete non story. It's designed

31:02

to I mean, actually, you you you

31:04

mentioned precisely the sort of reason

31:06

why this non story is appearing

31:08

in our media as a distractors. And you

31:10

you you put your finger on it. Andrew Bridgen,

31:13

I'm surprised you haven't mentioned him yet in the context

31:15

of his extraordinary speech, the delivered

31:17

a couple of days ago. I think it was. It

31:19

must've been just before the weekend. Was waiting

31:22

for you to bring that up to Where where he was in

31:24

a in good. He he's he were he

31:26

finally got himself from German debate

31:28

in which he talked for, what,

31:31

twenty minutes to the house about

31:34

vaccine injuries. And

31:38

you'll have seen the extraordinary scenes where

31:41

the debating chamber was pretty pretty

31:44

sparsley attended anyway. But

31:47

just before Britain stood

31:49

up, the remaining MPs

31:52

were ushered out or were given signals

31:54

to move by an

31:57

m p called Andrew Mitchell, I

32:00

think. He's been

32:02

identified. And Andrew Mitchell has

32:04

a very cozy relationship with

32:06

Gessu of our friend Bill

32:08

Gates. And I

32:11

I know I know people have retweeted a picture

32:13

of him, but, like, plenty of people have taken

32:15

so he may have even, you know, done what one of

32:17

the VIP ticket holders did that

32:20

the the James Peloton at

32:22

the Emmanuel Centre recently and just paid for the

32:24

privilege of having a cell thing with buildings. No.

32:27

The the the the pharmaceutical industry

32:29

has poured poured millions into

32:33

buying off parliament. Andrew

32:36

Mitchell has definitely benefited

32:38

phrase, he's definitely on on at least one of the one

32:41

of these these committees just to trying to

32:43

promote, you know, back in awareness or or

32:45

I forget the exact the exact one, but there's

32:47

no question that that Mitchell is very much

32:49

on the on the Berlin Linde gates

32:52

gravy

32:53

trade. And but but, I mean, the the the

32:55

broader issue is this, though. I'd

32:57

be I'd I'd hesitate for saying that change. That that could

32:59

be I mean, that that that it may not be true.

33:01

I mean, he he may have he may have, you

33:04

know, cooperated with Bill Gates. think he

33:06

was secretary of state for development

33:08

at one

33:08

stage. And he

33:11

may have, you know

33:12

He's been to he's been He's

33:14

not necessarily on the on the bill that indicates

33:16

payroll. I think that's not that we don't know that.

33:19

That

33:19

way, he would have he would have he would have been

33:21

to events

33:24

sponsored by the building Linda Gates

33:26

Foundation. Pushing pushing

33:28

the vaccine, pushing pharmaceutical industry

33:31

into interventions. Pretty much

33:33

all them have. My question

33:35

to you, is how

33:37

you feel about your ongoing support

33:39

for a political system,

33:42

which is now clearly so unfit

33:45

for purpose. That it that it no longer

33:47

believes in in the basics of of

33:50

even the illusion of a demographic process,

33:52

where you've got an important issue, maybe the

33:54

most important issue in politics right

33:56

now, being ignored by

33:58

the entire political class. I mean, how do you

34:01

feel about Andrew Pritchard sorry,

34:03

Andrew Mitchell, driving driving

34:06

MPs out. How do you feel about the fact they were

34:08

they were willing to leave the the the

34:10

debating house is a bit debating chamber

34:13

during this this speech by blue pigeon, which is

34:15

very shortly quite important. It may I

34:17

mean, you you may

34:18

be, you know, adding

34:20

two and two and making five. I mean, it could

34:22

be that Andrew Mitchell was

34:24

ushering people out of the debating chamber

34:26

because, you know, they would a meeting in a

34:28

committee room he wants.

34:29

Oh, do you think so? Do you really believe

34:31

that? Maybe

34:32

friend of his holding a book party

34:34

on the House of Commons Carers? We

34:35

don't know for sure. We were taking the Mick you there.

34:37

You can't you can't

34:39

believe that. You

34:40

can't We don't know for certain that he was

34:43

he was

34:43

Why are you making his participation?

34:45

Well, I

34:46

did I did get

34:47

a presumption of innocence games. I think you you're

34:49

assuming guilt. You're assuming he was doing

34:51

the bidding. When

34:52

does that happen? In parliament. When does

34:54

when does Dean Chaplin turn up chamber

34:56

get clear? Well, it

34:58

it usually is quite empty for these German

35:00

debates. And we saw him, I think, moving moving

35:03

one person on in the clip I saw anyway,

35:05

encouraging one person to leave, but it could be that,

35:08

you know, they they they they had an appointment that was

35:10

supposed to have drink or

35:10

something. I don't know. It's possible, James. I mean,

35:13

you're assuming the worst, but

35:15

we don't know for sure. This is just reasonable.

35:18

But nonetheless James, I do think that

35:22

it's a shame that more people weren't

35:24

in the but to hear what Andrew Bridgien had to

35:26

say. But I think

35:26

We know why it worked. What more scandalous

35:29

James, I think, is the fact that YouTube

35:32

initially put the video up

35:34

on on its platform and then

35:36

removed it. Now they put it back again now,

35:38

and it may well be that it was kind of, you

35:40

know, it triggered some algorithm or

35:43

it was a decision made by someone fairly

35:45

low down the pecking order and it has now gone

35:47

back up and we linked to it in the daily skeptic

35:49

round up this morning. But

35:53

I thought that was more scandalous. And

35:55

I think a taste of the over removal

35:58

we're likely to see if any contentious content

36:00

wants the online safety bill comes law.

36:04

I'm just looking up looking up Andrew

36:08

Bridgien And here he

36:10

is secretary Andrew

36:13

Andrew for Andrew Mitchell. First overseas

36:15

speech given at Carnegie

36:17

Endowment. Washington, Washington,

36:20

D. C.

36:22

And talks about the inspirational work of

36:24

Bill and Melinda Gates. Yeah. Right. Okay?

36:27

I suspect he he certainly gets a lot

36:29

of he doesn't say he just gets travel expenses.

36:33

Right. He seems

36:35

to be very much on the on the

36:37

bandwagon with all this stuff. You to be it

36:39

it just makes you look silly. When you

36:42

say things like, oh, oh, it there was there

36:44

there might have been a perfectly innocent explanation

36:46

for the house being cleared in this

36:48

way. The house wasn't where I mean, the

36:50

house being cleared is slight exaggeration. There

36:52

weren't many people there. And in the video

36:55

I saw Andrew Mitchell was encouraging

36:58

a woman in

37:00

the house of commons to get up and

37:02

leave Andrew Bridges got up and started

37:04

talking. He didn't see him clearing the comments.

37:06

That's nice. Do you think do you think maybe that

37:08

that she had an important headrest appointment

37:11

and and that that was why he was reminding me

37:13

of. Is that is that would that be your explanation? Well,

37:15

one of the reasons there's only number of possibilities

37:17

why might have been doing it. But I think your

37:19

your suggestion that this was completely innocuous

37:21

and unconnected with the speech by

37:24

Andrew Bridgien, who has been ostracized

37:26

by pretty much every MP in parliament,

37:28

apart from Christopher Christopher Chubb.

37:31

And you you say the chamber wasn't

37:33

completely empty. There's only because III believe

37:36

that certain a token number

37:38

of front benches are obliged

37:40

to remain there, including the the gimp,

37:42

the sort of the the the pointlessly

37:45

good looking young man who just spouted

37:47

government policy. III

37:50

I'm genuinely concerned types that

37:52

that at this point, in

37:54

in the the cycle. You are

37:56

still defending the

37:59

government's failure to address vaccine

38:01

injuries in the treatment of Andrew Bridgeline I

38:03

do not get why you are doing this.

38:05

Is it because you you just respect the conservative

38:08

party too much? Or is it because you

38:10

want to be in with these people? I don't This

38:12

is again beyond neutrality that you you

38:15

seem to be in a you're adopting a

38:16

position, which is, I would say, morally

38:18

untenable. One reason one

38:21

reason I I

38:23

I'm reluctant to convict

38:26

Andrew Mitchell of being

38:29

part of a Bill Gates led conspiracy

38:32

to make sure no one heard Andrew

38:34

Bridgien. It's because I don't if you recall,

38:36

but a few years ago, he

38:38

was a accused of calling a

38:40

police officer standing outside

38:42

the gates of Ten Downing Street,

38:45

a pleb. Remember that pleb gate? And

38:48

That was another distraction. Well,

38:50

he he he I don't think it was well, it

38:53

it proved to be a very costly distraction for

38:55

him because he unsuccessfully

38:57

sued someone for Baubles,

39:00

I believe, over that. But I always

39:02

thought he was innocent. I didn't believe

39:04

It it did fit people's kind of, you know, preconceptions

39:07

about the sort of language that kind of

39:09

these kind of tory toffs use

39:11

when addressing ordinary people that

39:14

get in their way. To me, it never had

39:16

the ring of truth. I I always thought he was innocent.

39:18

I mean, immediately, he wasn't able to prove his innocence.

39:21

But but but so I'm I'm I'm slightly reluctant

39:23

to to kind of, you know, charge

39:25

him with something

39:26

else. Perhaps not a serious

39:28

Okay. Okay. But without without without without

39:30

without without being

39:30

possession of the full fact. Having heard your thoughts.

39:32

Wait a second. You are

39:34

using you you are

39:36

now making this about it doesn't

39:39

really matter whether It's just

39:41

a minor detail of the story that Andrew

39:43

Mitchell ushered out the these

39:45

M1s. I think one

39:47

that I saw anyway here. But that

39:50

there's a bigger issue at stake here, which

39:52

is that Andrew Bridgion made

39:55

a speech for twenty minute So

39:57

maybe the most important issue facing

39:59

people in this country. The fact that their government

40:01

has conspired to make them,

40:03

to bully them, to blackmail them, to take it,

40:06

a medical treatment that they did not need,

40:08

which has injured many of them,

40:10

who killed some of them. And

40:12

you are you're saying, well, it's kind

40:14

of okay because

40:16

reasons. I don't know. Why you're not more

40:19

more uncomfortable III think what's happening.

40:21

I think you're you're misunderstanding what are

40:23

point disagreement is, I'm

40:26

not disagreeing that vaccine

40:28

harms is an important national

40:30

issue and deserves

40:33

a lot of attention, including attention

40:35

from the government. And I think in due course, it will.

40:37

It will get there.

40:38

Why not why not now? Well,

40:40

I think think why not now, James. I'm not

40:42

I'm not disagreeing with you about that.

40:44

What I'm disagreeing with you about is don't

40:47

think that there needed to be Bill

40:49

Gates led conspiracy in which

40:52

Andrew Mitchell was a kind of spear carrier

40:54

in order to suppress

40:56

attention, interest in Andrew Bridges'

40:58

speech. I think Have you have

41:01

you heard about have you heard of Gavin? Have

41:03

you heard of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation?

41:05

They are quite active in

41:07

promoting vaccines. They have

41:09

been quite major in the

41:12

so called vaccine rollout. It's not

41:14

Yeah. But but but but there's some random

41:17

random computer geek who

41:19

happens to have been finger with this thing

41:21

in which he has not in which he has nothing to

41:23

do. But I would have thought that that yeah.

41:25

James, but I would have thought that let's suppose

41:27

you're right and that Andrew Mitchell was

41:30

ushering an MP out of the chamber

41:32

because he didn't want Andrew Bridgien

41:34

to get a

41:35

hearing. I don't

41:36

suppose he would have he

41:38

he didn't need to be coaxed

41:40

into doing that. No phone call or email

41:42

from guys would have been necessary. He

41:44

is now a big slippery. Now and

41:47

he's now a big Jason, what what you don't understand

41:49

is that because he because he don't really leave your echo

41:51

chamber very often, but the vast majority of people.

41:54

The vast majority particularly people in

41:56

parliament, ex government ministers,

41:59

senior officials, public health officials,

42:02

senior medics, they're all four square,

42:04

a hundred percent behind the vaccine. Think it was

42:06

a miracle drug. And they're

42:08

very reluctored to change their minds because

42:10

of anchoring bias because they don't wanna look like fools.

42:13

They don't wanna seem like they were complicit in

42:15

in encouraging the public to do something that

42:17

actually as you say many of them didn't need

42:20

and in some cases was harmful. That's

42:23

why No one wants to pay attention

42:25

to Andrew Bridgeline. It's not because they've been enlisted

42:27

in some diabolical conspiracy. It's

42:29

because they made a stupid mistake eighteen

42:32

months ago and are now un willing to to to to

42:34

to to own up to it. I think it's wasn't it well,

42:36

one there was a favorite Mark Twain said

42:38

it's it's far easier to suck at

42:40

someone. Than it is to persuade them that

42:42

they've been suckred. It's basic human

42:44

psychology. You don't need this fanciful,

42:48

incredible, fantastic explanation

42:50

involving Bill Gates and phone calls

42:52

and the w f to explain this sort of

42:54

behavior. And that's why the MSM didn't cover

42:57

Andrew Bridge speech either. That's our point of disagreement,

42:59

not that it's not an important issue. I agree it's an important

43:01

issue and should be debated in parliament.

43:04

The question is why why was his

43:06

speech Why didn't it get much attention?

43:08

Why wasn't it covered in the MSM? Why did Andrew

43:10

Mitchell, if he did, usher that woman out

43:12

of the chambers? Because they're all bought

43:14

into this group

43:16

think about the miraculous quality

43:19

of the vaccine eighteen, twenty four months

43:21

ago. So they have very reluctant to admit they made a mistake

43:23

for a variety of reasons. Now that's that's basic

43:26

human psychology. Doesn't require this

43:28

kind of elaborate, fantastical explanation

43:31

that you're providing. It's a

43:33

shame that that that that

43:35

the completely non conspiratorial nature

43:38

of of Bill Gates is involvement in

43:40

this. I mean, the fact that it's not

43:42

any kind of conspiracy theory. There there

43:44

is an organization called Gabbi.

43:46

Gates has pumped billions

43:49

and some billions into universities,

43:53

Imperial College into

43:56

which of course funded the

43:59

terrible Neil

44:01

Ferguson study, which which which

44:03

raised the scare mungering. It's his

44:05

funded a

44:08

vaccine research that some of the vaccine

44:11

research that led to the creation of the so called

44:13

oxy Oxford vaccine in the AstraZeneca.

44:15

He's pumped money into the telegraph,

44:18

into the Guardian to buy up this this

44:21

to to create this You're you're crediting

44:23

him with the kind of global health security.

44:26

Yeah. James, but but you're crediting him you're

44:28

crediting him with being a thought leader. I'm I'm just

44:30

not commits he is a thought leader. No. No. No. No. He's

44:32

following their lead. He's not he's not getting them

44:34

believe. What I'm saying is that is

44:36

that all this stuff is very much in the public

44:38

domain. So for you for so for you to

44:40

characterize it as this kind of, oh, this

44:42

is a bit of an edge conspiracy theory. Is,

44:45

I would say, disingenuous. But what I'm

44:47

also saying is that it really doesn't matter. I mean,

44:49

I regret having mentioned Bill

44:52

Gates, not because think he's he's not completely

44:54

Germane and and and completely above board

44:56

in this in this story. His involvement is very, very

44:59

clear. But it has enabled you to

45:01

play the game, whereby you go, well,

45:03

I don't think that this this this this man

45:05

in his in his agreeable sweaters

45:07

with his background in the tech industry is

45:10

is some evil mastermind. I think it's

45:12

a good so I I regret

45:14

having enabled you to play that this genuous

45:16

game. I just wanted you to answer me

45:18

the more basic question, which you have. I mean,

45:20

I'm not sure I convinced by your answer, but you have

45:22

answered the question. Why you think it's okay?

45:25

For an MP to appear

45:27

in the House of Commons Chamber and

45:29

make a twenty minute speech, which for

45:31

some really mysterious reason

45:33

even though lots of constituents

45:36

have represented by these these MPs

45:38

have died or lost legs

45:41

or or had life changing in injuries.

45:43

Which you would have thought might be of concern

45:46

of concern to MPs

45:49

representing,

45:50

but you you're you're you're going back to it. I thought

45:52

I cleared up this mister Danny Jones. I thought I

45:54

thought we we cleared this up ten minutes

45:56

ago.

45:56

Why are you back on this? What I'm saying is I'm

45:58

unconvinced by It's the explanation for

46:01

why his speech received so little attention that

46:03

which I'm I'm agreeing. It should've

46:05

got more attention. I'm unconvinced that you

46:07

you don't seem to hear that. That that that that that seems to go

46:09

in one ear and out the other one and say that to you, gentlemen.

46:11

I agree with you. How many times do I have

46:13

to repeat it? I agree with you, his speech

46:16

was important and should have got attention.

46:18

Should have been covered in the mainstream media, the chamber

46:20

should have been full. But the reason it

46:22

wasn't is not because there was some conspiracy

46:25

to suppress the truth about the vaccine.

46:27

It was because all these people have a

46:29

basic psychological motive for suppressing

46:32

the mistake they made

46:33

eighteen, twenty four months ago. That

46:36

that's what we're disagreeing about. It's like you you don't

46:38

I don't think you need to invoke a

46:40

diabolical conspiracy to explain

46:42

why his speech didn't get

46:43

more attention. I can hear you. I can I can

46:45

hear you distortions? Listen, Jason. But

46:48

while we're on subject of -- Yeah. --

46:52

odd behavior by billionaires, I

46:54

don't know if you saw, but you probably think this is a

46:56

distraction too, but it's a sort of odd left

46:58

field distraction. So Rupert Murdoch

47:00

having just, I think, finalized

47:03

his divorce with

47:06

Watsaface, Mick

47:08

Jagger's ex, is now getting

47:10

married again. So it it

47:12

was announced today that he's become engaged

47:15

to a sixty six year old called

47:18

Anne Leslie Smith. He's ninety

47:20

two. I mean, what's going on there? I

47:22

mean, is he kind of is ninety

47:24

two. I mean, how big a driver

47:26

can his libido be at that age? Has he

47:28

discovered some sort of magical turbocharged

47:32

Vieagra, which means he's still

47:34

horny at the age of ninety two and

47:36

therefore just marries a

47:38

succession of kind of attractive

47:40

sixty year olds. Or or is it

47:43

kind of revenge on his kind of ungrateful

47:45

kids? He wants to kind of squander as

47:48

much of his fortune on alimony. So

47:50

he'll just kind of marry and divorce. Marion divorced

47:52

for as long as he possibly can diminish

47:54

his fortune so there's just almost nothing left.

47:57

When they kind of when they they wobble

47:59

over, you know, over his his

48:02

will. I mean, what's going on there? If

48:04

you were a ninety two year old multi

48:06

billionaire, can you imagine

48:08

kind of, you know, divorcing

48:10

and marrying, divorcing and marrying at

48:12

quite the speed that the Rupert Murdoch does?

48:16

I forgot to mention the coolest

48:18

thing about about Saturday at

48:22

the meat at the the the at the beginning

48:24

right at the beginning, I saw this woman

48:27

a woman of a certain age on a on

48:29

a black horse, and she was smoking

48:32

a fag. So I instantly went over it.

48:34

I grabbed it to towards her because the smokers and

48:36

and together and I prescribed a bag

48:38

of her. And it turned

48:40

out she was eighty one. She

48:43

was still hunting at eighty one.

48:45

And if I'm if if I get that

48:47

old, that's what I wanna

48:49

be doing. III don't wanna be shagging

48:52

under, you know, sort of, third,

48:54

fourth, for fifth's wife. I'm I'm perfectly happy

48:56

with the wife I've got. I don't I don't

48:58

need to buy a younger model or whatever, you

49:00

know, marriage is forever. And

49:04

I think it's part of the kind of the sickness

49:07

of of the of the elites. Yeah.

49:09

I mean, you know, you look at look at Mick Jagger.

49:11

That that we we're supposed to

49:13

look up to Mick Jagger as a kind of

49:15

a sort of person we'd like to be.

49:18

He's not. He's just a a sort of filthy

49:20

old man. He's he's just a a pir

49:22

pir pir piranha. And

49:24

I think the same really applies to Murdoch.

49:26

I don't I don't think there's anything attractive or

49:29

desirable about this cereal,

49:31

you know, serial husband

49:33

of of ever younger women. I think it's just

49:36

rather sad.

49:38

To be fair to be

49:40

fair to him. I'm sure you don't see why anyone

49:42

should be, but No. And

49:45

Leslie Smith, is I

49:47

think sixty six. So I think she's

49:49

she's not significantly younger if

49:51

indeed she's at all younger than Jerry

49:54

Hall. The former supermodel

49:56

whom he has just

49:57

So how's how's this? She's sixty six,

49:59

and he's nineteen.

50:00

Ninety two. So there's a it's quite an age gap

50:02

there. But it's pretty much how

50:04

big is that? Twenty six? So that's like

50:06

you and me going for a

50:09

thirty two year

50:10

old, thirty I can't I can't do the

50:12

doesn't

50:13

seem so absurd to

50:14

put it back there. No. No. No. I think

50:16

yeah. No. I think some were, like, twenty twenty

50:19

six twenty what what would it be? Yeah. It was

50:22

so ancient. We can't work it out, but some yeah. Twenty

50:24

six, in my case, yeah, thirty two,

50:26

thirty

50:26

three, something like that.

50:27

Yeah. No. I think that's perfect.

50:29

That that's perfectly acceptable.

50:31

Isn't it James? Or would you think that would be disgusting?

50:36

No. Well, I mean, I don't I don't want

50:38

to knock people with with large

50:40

gaps, you know, in there. I I just think that

50:44

I just think it's a bit it's bit revolting,

50:46

just moving from from

50:48

husband, you know, from from wife to

50:50

wife. Just like Pardon

50:52

me?

50:53

Anyway. Of course.

50:55

Whatever he's smoking Whatever

50:57

he's smoking. wanna smoke some of

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52:16

So James, culture corner.

52:19

Yeah. Yeah. I've There's

52:22

been such a dearth of stuff,

52:24

oh, by the

52:24

way, that that

52:27

Swedish series I I mentioned last

52:29

week. You know, the one yeah. The the playlist.

52:32

Yeah. It did something really

52:34

stupid and quintessentially bloody

52:37

Swedish I thought, which is

52:39

that the the writers of

52:41

the story. I mean, it was it was interesting

52:44

up to up to this point. The

52:46

writers of the story felt compelled

52:49

to invent the this character

52:52

in the life of the the

52:54

founder of Spotify. She didn't

52:56

exist She was a kind

52:58

of AAA

53:01

sort of soul singer. And

53:04

She'd allegedly known the

53:06

founder of what I've learned what his name is now.

53:08

The guy founded Spotify. What is he?

53:12

I don't know. Well, anyway, they

53:14

invented her and then

53:17

they had her launching launching

53:19

a campaign. Which ended

53:21

up being discussed in in congress

53:24

by this kind of Daniel

53:27

Ek. Daniel Ek. By

53:29

this righteous crusading

53:32

democrat in

53:34

in congress. And this stuff

53:36

was all made up. It was just stupid.

53:38

I was really across about that anyway. There's been

53:40

a real dearth of stuff to watch on TV,

53:43

and I've gone back to

53:46

Yellowstone. Okay. Yeah.

53:48

Which stadium? I only I only watch

53:50

season one, which I quite like, but apparently season

53:53

two is by an order of magnitude better

53:55

than season

53:56

one. So I really have gotta get around to watching it.

53:59

Yeah. So it's written

54:01

by this guy called Taylor Sheraton who

54:04

our friend Mark Miller really writes because

54:06

because he sees he

54:09

sees Yellowstone as part of this

54:12

backlash because you know Mark

54:15

thinks that that entertainment moves

54:17

an eleven year cycle. Yes.

54:19

We are now very much in the

54:21

anti work stuff. Yeah. We're at

54:23

the beginning of the next eleven year cycle. The

54:25

last eleven year in the workbench. Which is which

54:27

is why he thinks series like

54:30

like Yellowstone and the one with

54:32

sliced the lone set in a

54:35

a

54:35

Samaritan. Tulsa Tulsa

54:37

King and and and and so Tulsa

54:39

King.

54:39

Yeah. And and and why the highest greatest

54:42

movie of last year was top gun maverick.

54:44

And and exactly. The the sort of mechanism

54:47

is back. But although I

54:49

enjoy yellowstone and and it's it's

54:51

it's fantastic seeing Kevin

54:54

Kosner is this this the

54:57

the guys are bastard that you love him because

54:59

he's Kevin Kosner done. There's there's

55:01

so much mechanism. I love the horses.

55:04

The horse is great, but there is too

55:06

much mechanism in it for

55:07

me. The the men are always fighting with fist

55:10

And it's not a bit it's not a bit the

55:12

the portrait of masculinity is

55:14

quite toxic, isn't

55:15

it? That was my impression from watching season one. It didn't

55:18

do all that nonwoke. That's

55:22

a good point, actually. Yeah.

55:24

I kind of agree with you there. I'm not thinking

55:27

go lads Finally, we are

55:29

being represented fairly on on

55:31

on screen. Yeah. I I look at

55:33

it and I think this is just portographic

55:38

and it's in it and it's violence. It's

55:41

and it's not natural either. It didn't strike me

55:43

as real. That that we're sort

55:45

of being invited into this this this

55:48

man's world, which doesn't strike me as

55:50

as as genuine. It's a it's a kind of

55:53

TV writer's idea of her man's world

55:55

-- Yeah. -- which is not quite the same thing.

55:57

It's almost as it has

55:59

something of Dallas about it. I mean, I think he obviously

56:01

thinks it itself to be much much cleverer

56:03

than Dallas. But that's basically what it

56:05

is. There is something slightly shlocky

56:08

about it. I'm I'm sure I'm gonna have lots

56:10

of lots of yellowstone stuff.

56:12

Yeah. III thought that what was it? The

56:14

the the the the

56:16

daughter played by Kelly, whatever

56:19

she's called. I thought I

56:21

thought she was a very good character

56:23

and she's a brilliant

56:24

actress. The alcoholic Oh, she's

56:26

quite sexy kind of

56:28

She's the best thing in it. The best thing. She's the best thing in

56:30

it. Yeah. I quite like it. But I I I'm

56:33

willing to give it another chance and go

56:35

on to season two. And and also the prequels

56:37

are supposed to be very good too. So as the prequel

56:40

with Helen, Miran, Harrison, four, that's supposed

56:42

to be very good. And there's another prequel too.

56:44

Anyway, I'm willing to buy into the Yellowstone

56:47

franchise, and I'm

56:49

going to definitely watch these in too. didn't

56:51

I thought it was pretty good, but but,

56:53

yeah, I don't buy this idea that it's

56:56

it's part of a kind of anti woke backlash.

56:59

Basically, Kevin Costner's the leader of

57:01

what amounts to a criminal gang, isn't

57:03

he? It it

57:05

is. I I think it's subtle as a Baubles maker.

57:08

It pretends to be something more than

57:10

that and it's not. It's it's almost

57:12

as bad in that terrible

57:15

man, the awful man who wrote pinky blinders.

57:18

Him. The one who's turning, who's

57:20

turning, who's got pip in great

57:22

expectations using the f word.

57:25

I mean, what That's the point. I didn't realize

57:27

it. That's the he's the guy that he he he sort of

57:29

first came

57:31

to prominence when he he

57:33

he wrote he he was the brains

57:35

behind who wants to be a millionaire a

57:37

millionaire. Right? Oh, was he?

57:39

I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Just for carrot.

57:42

Stephen Knight. Stephen Knight. Yeah.

57:44

Yeah. Yeah. He's probably he's a he's

57:46

a hack, but he's he's quite

57:48

good at

57:50

finding the stuff that gets commissioned. He

57:52

did the SAS series and stuff. Yeah.

57:54

And he's he's written on it. He he did he did

57:57

he's telling he he wrote that David Cronenburg

57:59

film about kind of Russian gangsters

58:01

in

58:02

London, which I thought was quite good. Anyway

58:04

I like that

58:05

one. No. Yeah. He's not he he

58:07

can be he can be quite good. Anyway, so

58:09

I saw James like you.

58:11

I've been sort of searching for new and interesting

58:13

things to watch. And so

58:15

rather reluctantly watched

58:18

episode one of season three

58:20

of Ted Lasso. And I thought Ted

58:22

Lasso almost jumped the shark

58:24

in season two. I don't know if you ever bothered

58:26

with season one, but season

58:28

two was was was

58:31

was significantly worse

58:34

than season one and much weaker

58:36

in a kind of really grating, irritating

58:38

way. And season three is even worse.

58:40

So it's just awful. And

58:43

I'm not gonna watch the rest of

58:44

it. I

58:44

watch the rest of it. How does it go? How how does this

58:46

wonutness express itself? Well

58:50

well, I suppose, first of all, the

58:52

figure of Ted Lasso is a kind of

58:54

completely pathetic man.

58:57

He's been left

59:00

by his wife -- Yeah. --

59:02

he's a kind of sentimental

59:04

doting father. He's pushed

59:06

around by his female boss. He's

59:10

a kind of beaten male in the

59:12

locker room. And, you know,

59:14

he's all his problems are supposedly because

59:17

he didn't have a loving enough relationship with

59:19

his own father, and everything is soluble

59:21

by the right kind of therapy. And it's

59:23

a kind of advertisement for It's almost

59:26

like it's almost like a kind of the television

59:29

manifesto that Prince

59:32

William and Prince Harry would have produced to promote

59:34

their idea that all men need

59:36

therapy and that we need to start

59:38

talking about our mental health and that toxic

59:41

masculinity is rooted in the

59:43

stiff upper lip, but not talking

59:45

enough about our feelings and not being able

59:47

to express our feelings or being in touch with them. That's

59:49

the kind the sort of that's the sort of underlying agenda.

59:52

It's all about, you know, the benefits of therapy

59:55

for bottled up men who had difficult

59:57

relation us with their fathers. But

59:59

also the female characters are just unremittingly

1:00:02

awful. So they're constantly

1:00:04

talking about sex and their sexual

1:00:06

needs and a vulgar in

1:00:08

your face way. In one scene in

1:00:11

episode one season three, this

1:00:14

this woman who was the

1:00:16

PR for the football club for Richmond

1:00:18

FC to set up her own PR company. And

1:00:21

at one point, she's in a meeting with her

1:00:23

best friend who's the owner of the football club.

1:00:26

And she just suddenly burst into tears. And it's

1:00:28

like totally unfair what's going on as the best friend, Austin.

1:00:30

It turns out that she scheduled time

1:00:32

for herself to cry because don't you

1:00:34

know all women need time

1:00:36

in the day to have a good cry.

1:00:39

They describe it as an orgasm of the

1:00:41

soul and I guess that's in keeping with the

1:00:43

general theme that whatever fleeting

1:00:45

emotion happens to be flickering

1:00:48

across your psyche has to immediately

1:00:50

be expressed and indulged because

1:00:52

emotional incontinence is a virtue.

1:00:55

So they but yeah. I don't think it's particularly flattering

1:00:57

portrait of kind of modern career women that they

1:00:59

have to kind of make appointments

1:01:02

to cry at their desks. I mean,

1:01:04

good lord. Anyway, it

1:01:06

it it was just ghastly, beyond imagineably

1:01:09

ghastly. And my

1:01:11

wife and I sat there until that's

1:01:13

it. We are categorically giving up

1:01:15

on this program. We're not gonna watch the rest of

1:01:17

it. Well, I'm glad I'm glad you've saved

1:01:19

me because I I did find it it was already

1:01:21

bordering on on the to

1:01:24

to on the two tree for comfort. It

1:01:26

was all it was a so sweet nature.

1:01:29

Like

1:01:29

Yeah. You're right. I it's not far

1:01:32

too sweet. The the kind of corniness of

1:01:34

Ted Lasso and his kind of you know,

1:01:36

his down home, good,

1:01:38

humored, corny, homespun,

1:01:41

forest gump wisdom is

1:01:44

just -- Yeah. -- just It's totally, you know,

1:01:46

outstate it's welcome. It's it's

1:01:49

yeah. Jump the shot. Don't watch it.

1:01:51

Okay? I think that's probably I

1:01:53

didn't have anything more from --

1:01:55

No. -- up to corner. No. Yeah.

1:01:58

I've got I've I've also got I've got to go and

1:02:00

make porridge for, I guess, like a lot of glass, so this

1:02:02

is the chiming is good. Okay. I'll

1:02:05

just do it. So there we are. Okay.

1:02:07

Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Yeah.

1:02:09

I'll have no hon to talk about this. I don't know what

1:02:11

I'm gonna talk about really because it's like, you

1:02:14

know, roll on September.

1:02:18

Well, of course, then the hunting season then

1:02:20

then autumn some hunting as its

1:02:22

name. I think that starts. Yeah. Yeah.

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Okay.

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