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Long Shot is a production of McClatchy Studios
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and I Heart Radio. Previously
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on Return Man, It
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is coming to Duncan a real threat.
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You have such a great speed witness he
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could break one of a close game, and you
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went, I want to jafter. Guys
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on the team we run working on the day and don't
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just extra money. You know, they look like we were
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so we were trying to make a living of like by war.
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How can you tell black people to be non
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violently and at the same time condone
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the sinning of white killers as
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well? What are you gonna call this book? Speedy?
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From the cotton fields to Glory? He
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would have done some good things
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in life. I
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was told repeatedly during my reporting that
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Jim Duncan could be quite friendly and generous.
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And you've been led eight kids, got
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going out having been raised in poverty,
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he knew how it felt to go hungry. You
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got the blowing it with what
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you got to do. But
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in all the time I've looked into Jim's life, I've
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been struck by how few people said they
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really knew him that well. I
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just remember you, the lanky cup guy, and
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I do remember being a good guy. H
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Jeff Beaver was the quarterback for the Capitol
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Colts team Jim played on. That
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always seemed a little odd. It's
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a word that came up more than once during interviews
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with his former teammates. Yeah. Ways,
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but I just thought, everybody, you know,
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we all got a long way and
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him on a great way by Jim
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Duncan. As long as he did what he needed
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to do in the field, that's all I was interested in. Eddie
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Hinton was the cultural receiver who faced Jim
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every day in practice. That
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didn't make sense to me, But you know who
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was out of Saint Yeah you thinking, Yeah
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for the next day look out
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at the Kansas City forty nine yard
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line. I knew that Jim had had
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some personal problems, but hey, we all Bill
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Curry was the cold center and team captain
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during Jim's time in Baltimore.
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Really good NFL team. You don't have a bunch
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of really well adjusted Sunday school guys.
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But no one knew just how far Jim
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would fall. Jim had some problems,
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but I didn't remember what they were, and I
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did not get involved. From
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the Herald, McClatchy studios and I
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Heart Radio, this is return man.
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I'm brought McCormick and this is part three
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The Burden nine.
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He's Robs O'Brien. That
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one offseason, Jim's life changed dramatically
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off the field. Over the
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summer, he visited a friend from his college
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days named Lawrence Acker. Duke
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Acker as he was known. Your
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name had come up as a friend of his and wondered
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if he had like a little while to talk about him.
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Acker is in his seventies now and lives
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down in Greenville, South Carolina, not far
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from Lancaster. How did you guys meet?
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Was it in Greenville? You know what I'm talking about? Right?
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Did you call him butch maybe? Or a speedy
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He declined to lend his voice to this podcast,
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but he told me that Jim was a devoted and committed
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friend. He said that even with all
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his football success, Jim turned his attention
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to life outside of sports. He
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and Acker decided they would finance a South
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Carolina franchise of a popular whig
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store Jim had seen in Baltimore. Duke
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knew two women in Greenville he thought would be perfect
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to run the business. So the plan was for
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the women to go to Baltimore for a little while to
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learn the ropes at the store. Then
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they'd returned to open the new franchise in Greenville.
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I found a couple more photos that I
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thought, even one a seat, and I actually emailed
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these two this morning. One
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of those women was twenty year old Alice Marie
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Young, and over time Jim
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began to look at her as more than just a business partner.
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Maryland State has Um had a yearbook
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online that was like, I think
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a sophomore year, so it was younger there. I
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thought it was a great picture him though. Alice
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declined to lend her voice to this podcast,
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but we sat down together multiple times in the
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lobby of a hotel near Greenville, and
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we spoke there for nearly four hours. This
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is a Monday night football broadcast
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from like nineteen and seventy was on
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YouTube. They showed like who he was
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matched up against. I just stopped it
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and took a picture that was interesting. Alice
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is in her seventies now and still lives near
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Greenville. It's the hometown she thought
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she'd be going back to during the fall of seventy
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one after the training in Baltimore was
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finished, But once she got to Charmed
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City, Jim called an audible. He
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lived in Sutton Place in Baltimore. Um
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nice place, looted. Jim
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asked her to stay and move in with him at his Sutton
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Place apartment in Baltimore. The
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two had only known each other for a few months,
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so it may have been an impulsive thing for Jim
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to ask, but Alice was just as
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taken with him and happy to be impulsive
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right back. By
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that fall of seventy one, a new NFL
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season was underway. Jim made
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plenty of money with the Colts, so Alice didn't
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have to work. She waited there in Baltimore
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for Jim to come home from practices and road games.
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One of the things that I've learned about him is that
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he compartmentalized his life. But
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even a love struck twenty year old couldn't help.
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But notice Jim had a funny way of keeping
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her in the dark. Being the time that it
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was, it was easier for him to keep things to
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himself. You guys nowadays
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would have face time, text email.
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Whatever. Whatever
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his issues, it may not have helped that Jim season
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began with sky high expectations. The
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second alright, Jim Duncan, that's the right quarterback
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and immediately fell to earth coming
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up Hart Jim Ducan from his right cornerback
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position. Jim missed almost
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the entire preseason with an ankle injury and
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never seemed to fully recover. Lambs
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trailing to Botall Jim.
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He started the first three games that year, but
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by November Jim was clearly struggling.
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He looked lost trying to cover an l A Ram
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receiver in this Monday night game going
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touchdown. Duncan is complaining
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it was out of bounds. Duncan is complaining
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because he wasn't covering. A
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news story from that year said Jim was beaten
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in one on one coverage six times
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during a close loss to the Cleveland Browns. Jim
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told the reporter quote, after
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that, all the lines started coming together.
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Another alarming story from that season was reported
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by the Philadelphia Inquirer. One
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of Jim's teammates, Roy Hilton, told
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the Inquirer that the two got into an argument
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over a card game that turned into
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a fist fight, which was surprising enough
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for a guy who was said to be so likable. Hilton
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told the paper that Jim left the room after getting
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punched, and when Hilton left soon
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after Jim was waiting for him outside
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with a loaded gun. The
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Inquirer wrote that other Colts players took
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the gun from Jim before anything happened. No
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one I interviewed for this podcast could confirm
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that happened. And Hilton has passed away.
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But I asked Upton Bell about it. He's
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the Colts executive who helped draft both
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players, so he never got
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confirmation from Hilton. Now,
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and I'd asked Eddie Hilton, and by
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Hilton was thought a bullshitter. Yeah, Hilton
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was a man of few words. If Hilton seven,
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I believe it. If
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true, it would mean that by late nineteen
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seventy one, Jim was in a dangerous
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place. We'll
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be right back. Throughout
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the rest of Jim's Ugly V Football
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season, Alice remembers his behavior
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at home becoming increasingly odd.
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Sometimes it was little things like the two
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sets of curtains he insisted on using to
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keep the bedroom pitch black. But
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Alice told me that sometimes the episodes
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were more frightening. It's another one of
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those things that, as much as
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you want to get into it, did he like become
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like abusing? She told me, Jim
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was never abusive, but that he would sometimes
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grab her with a fire in his eyes that came
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out of nowhere. Clearly,
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the Colts noticed it too late.
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That nineteen season, team
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executives told Jim they were sending him to
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a doctor to be tested for something
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that could explain his looking lost on the field
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and his erratic behavior off of it. I talked
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to a ct expert at UM Southern
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count and you know, there are seven
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year old NFL players that have died that they were
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able to do the autopsy on the brain and they found
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that they had ct Today,
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listeners will recognize similarities between
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Jim's worsening mental state in
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a neurodegenerative disease called chronic
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traumatic encephalopathy or
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CTE.
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Researchers at Boston University examined
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the brains of one hundred and eleven deceased
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NFL players. They found signs
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of the disease ct and a hundred
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and ten. Jim's
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confusion on defense, his impulsiveness
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and aggressiveness at home, even light
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sensitivity. They're all symptoms
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broadly associated with CTE,
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which in recent years has become increasingly associated
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with repeated hits to the head that NFL players
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suffered doc getness, but whoting
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it was auto bounds. Dunt get his complaining
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because he wasn't covering. Since
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we've known that people exposed to many
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concussions developed brain
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changes, and those brain changes
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couldn't lead them to be demented, just like someone
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with Alzheimer's disease, but a
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much younger age. Jeff Viktorov
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is an associate professor of clinical neurology
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at the University of Southern California.
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He wrote a groundbreaking textbook on concussions
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and traumatic en cephalopathy.
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Ten years ago, we knew that NFL
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full players or others who exposed multiple
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concussions during adulthood would
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be at risk for various
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kinds of bad brain change.
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In the last ten years, we now
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know that if a kid started playing football
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before age twelve and
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then joined the NFL, he's
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much more likely to suffer those
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brain changes. What that
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means, if you kind of do the
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math, is that almost
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every boy who plays football
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before age twelve has
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to experience some degree
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of permanent brain damage. High
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school football players typically have five brain
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rattling experiences every season. Damas
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today is cheap, we'll kick it off you're
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guys
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had all
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the Baltimore coach number thirty five Jim
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dum ball game is under way.
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Many of Duncan's former college and proteinmates
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told me horror stories about their own football
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related head injuries. You know they wouldn't
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wear those things like the
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corn field Eddie Hitton, the
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Colts receiver Jim Face in practice, talked
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about getting hit so hard in the game for the
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next few downs. He saw two footballs
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on every play, and the quarterback and throw
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the ball. I saw kiland I've reached and maybe
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always seem granted right one. Jim
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would have been especially vulnerable to head injuries.
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Jim Duncan numb the thirty five vat FO Baltimore.
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He played offense, defense, and special
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teams from childhood through college, so
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he was on the field almost the entire game. In
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the NFL, he was best known for returning
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kickoffs, perhaps the game's most dangerous
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play. They hit the sleep under
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the corner that dot, that's time Doting
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will come out with him. Tackler's
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from the opposing team charged sixty yards at
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full speed to hit him as hard as they
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could. He is beyond the point of five Baltimore's
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wall verst than that at their own by seven
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dog. It's almost guaranteed
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any child or adults
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who rattles his brain enough to say,
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WHOA, I lost it there for a second has
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had an injurious
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impact on the part of the brain that controls
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emotions. Your subject
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may have experienced
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significant changes in an ability
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to understand what
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was threatening and not threatening, what he
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should respond with violent behavior
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too, and all that would
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be a normal and expected
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reaction to multiple concussions.
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No one can say for sure that Jim was
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suffering from CTE. Diagnosing
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that requires preserving the patient's brain
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within twenty four hours of their death, and
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no one did that in Jim's case. CTE
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wasn't even a diagnosable condition until
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the early two thousand's. But in hindsight,
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for Alice, that would explain a lot.
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It's completely reasonable. He was twenty six at
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least, probably played fifteen years and may
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have played, you know, probably around there fifteen years
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of football. A lot of things on your brain
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equipment is rudimentary. It
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pains me that there's no way to prove it, but I really
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feel there, and I mean, you've just given me even
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more She told me quote
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that would explain his actions and the changes
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in him. I've heard from other women who
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have husbands who went through the same things, especially
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when the women say that they couldn't live with them anymore.
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They got to the point that they had to move away
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having gone through a lot of things with Jim.
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That is what I saw. All the evidence
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is there.
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Jim played in eleven games for the Colts
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that seventy one season, but he only
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returned three kicks that year, and he fumbled
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twice. The Colts never got
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an official diagnosis for what they thought was
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wrong with him, at least none that Alice
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heard that off
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season. In early nine, the
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Colts traded Jim to the New Orleans Saints
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for an offensive lineman and draft picks.
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In a few months, Jim would report to training
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camp with the Saints, but in the meantime,
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he and Alice headed back to South Carolina.
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In late January two, Jim
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and Alice moved into one of the bedrooms of
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the house he built in Lancaster. His
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mother, Ellerie Clyburne, lived
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there, along with a handful of Jim's youngest brothers
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and sisters, including Moral United
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Clyburne. Jim's youngest brother, who
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recently had been born, Carl mar
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who came off the bench following Andrew D Johnny
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United. He was the last of Jim's
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seven siblings. In honor of the greatest
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season of Jim's life and the two quarterbacks
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who had helped engineer it, Jim chose
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the name for his youngest brother. There's
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a great failing to the side on the wedding side,
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and that I just set about Jim.
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That Orange Bowl in Miami must have felt
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farther away than ever. And Acker,
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Jim's partner in the whig business, told
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me quote, although I felt like
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I was his best friend, I don't know that I knew
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exactly where his head was all the time. For
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months, the two had forged ahead with trying to
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launch that whig shop. They'd
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renovated a storefront in a Greenville strip
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mall and bought inventory, paying
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for at least half of it with Jim's money. Exactly
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how much was spent is another piece of
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this story without an easy answer. It's
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also not clear Jim's family and friends
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understood what his financial situation really
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was, and that it probably wasn't
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as good as they thought. Defense
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that wait for the Baltimore Colt Jim
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doctor on the right side as a
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taxi squad player in nineteen sixty eight.
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Jim was paid so little he needed a second
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job in the off season. In
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Baltimore, Jim made about fifteen
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thousand dollars a season in nineteen
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sixty nine, nineteen seventy and
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nineteen seventy one. That's
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about a hundred thousand a year in today's dollars.
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Jim also earned a fifteen thousand dollar
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bonus for winning the nineteen seventy Super Bowl,
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So in total, Jim was paid a little more than
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sixty thousand dollars by the Colts, or
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a max of about four hundred thousand in today's
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money. We were
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very free with his money. You know, at
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that time he made like a thousand,
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which was a lot of money. In seven
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one of my early conversations with Jim's
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brother, Elroy, underscored how generous
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Jim was and how much confusion there
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was about his finances. He
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most of the time when he was the daddy,
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you know, all arrest I was. He
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took care of me when I was in
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college. You know, in the
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pro whether Jim
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misled people about his money didn't
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have a firm grasp on it himself or
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was just the subject of wishful thinking. He
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had already bought his mother a house in
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Baltimore. Jim had lived in a high rise on Park
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Avenue and bought a Lincoln Mark three luxury
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car. He'd even given away a prize
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possession for any football player, the championship
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ring each Colt received for winning the nineteen
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seventy Super Bowl. That giant
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fourteen carrot gold ring had a nearly one
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carrot diamond on top, surrounded
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by a white gold horse shoe embedded
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with seven blue sapphires. It was
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probably worth about two thousand dollars at
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the time, and Alice said he just gave it to his aunt.
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I really wonder if he was having money problems,
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because I don't think a Super Bowl ring with disappearance
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about at time.
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It was another way Alice was kept in the dark. He
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was able to keep things from his brother, his
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mom, from you, and I think he carried
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all of it, all of it. Jim
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gave the Lincoln Mark three to Elroy,
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and once Jim and Alice moved back to Lancaster,
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he bought a smaller Canary yellow black top
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VW Bug. But that
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wig business seemed to drag Jim deeper
18:25
into a financial hole. There were
18:27
stories that I found that said he
18:29
had lost a lot of money. Did Jim like invest
18:31
a lot in that company? When
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I asked Acker about how much Jim might have
18:36
lost, he told me, quote, I'm
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not a money type man, so I can't really say
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he lost some money and I lost some money. But
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at one point in Jim
18:46
told a reporter he lost as much as sixty
18:49
dollars in that business, which would have been
18:51
nearly all of his NFL earnings right
18:53
there. I don't want to be accusatory
18:56
or anything. Did I mean, did you keep up with him
18:58
much after the business to work out?
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Or did you guys kind of just go your separate ways. There's
19:03
a long history of pro athletes sinking money
19:05
into failed businesses, often run
19:07
by their friends. But when we spoke,
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Acker clearly disputed any implication
19:12
he might have taken advantage of his friend. He
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told me, quote, I can tell
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you without a doubt, there wasn't a whole lot of money
19:19
lost in the venture. Hell I bought
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as many lunches and dinners as he did we'll
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be back in a moment. For
19:32
James Edward Duncan and Alice Marie Young,
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April Fool's Day two was
19:37
no joke. Alice
19:40
had become one of the few remaining rays of light
19:42
in Jim's life as his football career
19:44
started spiraling. By
19:46
all accounts, Jim lavished gifts
19:48
on his family and friends, maybe Alice
19:51
most of all, and she'll remember the red,
19:53
white and blue dress Jim gave her that spring
19:55
for the rest of her life. That
19:58
April one in Lancaster, they'd row
20:00
from the house Jim had built at the end of Islam
20:02
Street to the courthouse at the center
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of town. Jim and Alice
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had known each other for less than a year. Alice
20:09
was twenty one years old, and Jim's life
20:11
had become a whirlwind. Alice
20:14
told me that just about the only person at the courthouse
20:16
that day was the probate judge. Jim
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hadn't even told her why he'd asked her to wear that
20:21
special dress, or why he'd brought
20:23
her to the courthouse in the first place. Finally,
20:27
Alice told me Jim had simply said,
20:29
we're going to get married today. As
20:32
she remembers it, it wasn't really a question.
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I thought it would have a witness on her living. Alice
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show me their marriage license. The witness
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appears to have been that judge's secretary. Okay,
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Sandra, Yeah, Sandra Estridge
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was your witness. Romantic.
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As rough as the prior NFL season had
20:56
been for Jim with the Colts, according
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to Alice, he was in rush to report to
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the Gulf Coast. So you lived
21:03
in Lancashire, so in seventy two,
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like after you've gotten ready. They
21:08
had been living on a street with Jim's family
21:11
for the previous few months, which would
21:13
put a strain on any couple, but
21:15
Jim's reluctance to play for the Saints, or
21:18
maybe just play football anymore at all, became
21:20
another source of ongoing arguments. Alice
21:24
told me she was far less worried about Jim leaving
21:26
football than she was about the two of them
21:28
making a life together some place other
21:30
than in that family home in Lancaster. But
21:33
for Jim's family, his quitting the game
21:35
would mean the end of those NFL paychecks
21:37
for him and the relatives he'd been supporting.
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Oh yeah, and and you know you think that
21:43
your brother makes four times more than he makes. That's
21:45
a simple misunderstanding. Alice
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told me. She said to Jim, quote, you
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make up your mind what you want to do. Leave
21:53
front of the corner. Duckling will come out whatever.
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It's fine with me, whether you play football or not,
21:58
but let it be your to Asian. The
22:02
storm clouds were engulfing Jim's life
22:05
and the stunning end was approaching for
22:07
more than just his NFL career. And
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I'm part four of Return Man. He
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made something kind of thing with about ideas
22:15
never realized and having money
22:18
would create so many problems.
22:21
They're nothing bad that I could tell you
22:23
about what other than he could
22:25
love one el Ray told
22:27
me that Jim had a kid. Did you
22:29
know that he was dating
22:31
a few of the local white girls.
22:34
It was something that some people were
22:36
obviously threatened by. I'm working
22:38
on a story. Have you got some
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