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Welcome to Loremen, a podcast about local

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legends and obscure curiosities from days of

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yore. I'm James Shakeshaft. And I, on

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the other hand, am Alistair Beckett King.

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Alistair, are you ready for a spooky

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haunting at the end of a history

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lesson? Hunt me up, baby! Wait, wait,

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wait. History lesson? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

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This is the story of the hanging

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judge of Lyme Regis. Hmm.

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And just for context, at the very

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start, just before we started recording, I

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was bragging to you about how good

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a dad I was. I wonder if

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that'll come up in the episode. Have

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a listen. And then something spooky happened.

1:00

I've just heard the kids coming out of their bedroom,

1:02

though, which is, I'm going to need to be the

1:04

exact opposite of a fun killer and tell them to

1:06

go to bed right now. Go and shout at your

1:08

children and then come back and tell me your story

1:11

about what a good dad you are. Yes, I will.

1:13

Maybe in the edit we could add in some

1:15

sound effects of doors slamming and stomping and shouting

1:18

here to make James seem like more of a

1:20

tyrant. Okay, turns out I've got a ghost. Oh,

1:22

it was just a little ghost. Yeah, it was

1:24

just a little ghost. There was clearly the noise

1:26

of children getting out of their bed and sneaking

1:28

downstairs, going to bedroom, fast asleep. Classic.

1:31

Classic ghost move. If I were you,

1:33

James, I would avoid opening a reflective

1:35

bathroom mirror cupboard. Oh, I can open

1:37

it. All I like is closing it.

1:39

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the closing moment.

1:41

That's what you want to watch out

1:43

for, the close. Well, Alistair, weirdly enough,

1:45

I didn't bring you here to talk

1:47

about the discovery that I'm the father

1:49

to a ghost. I actually brought you

1:51

here for an almost history lesson. Are

1:53

you ready for it? I

1:55

almost am, yeah. Okay. Well, the

1:57

reason I've been so daddying recently is because I've been a

1:59

ghost. the other weekend we went

2:02

down to Lime Regis, which is a

2:04

coastal town in Devon, and

2:06

as I refer to the county in

2:08

my head now, Next Dorset. It's the county

2:10

next door to Dorset. I was so taken

2:13

with that bit of wordplay, which I think

2:15

I've done on the podcast before, it sort

2:17

of become what I call Devon in my

2:19

head now, so much so. I bet the

2:21

people of Devon love that. Well, I said

2:23

it out loud and someone went, what? And

2:25

I realized what I'd said and I had

2:27

to just say, oh, I heard it on

2:29

a podcast. I

2:33

just had to hope they didn't ask me which one.

2:36

And then look it up and realize the podcast you

2:38

were talking about was a podcast you do that you

2:40

were plugging in the stealthiest way possible. Yeah. Yikes.

2:43

But no, fortunately, I managed to bite

2:46

my tongue before I said it out

2:48

loud. But no, Lime Regis, Next Dorset,

2:50

one of the main reasons it's famous

2:52

in recent times is it's the home

2:54

of the mother of paleontology, Mary Anning.

2:57

She's the mother of paleontology. She's the

2:59

mother of all paleontology. She's a

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great big paleontology. She found

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all the ichthyosaurs on the

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beach down in Lime Regis and loads

3:08

of ammonite. There's some of your wet

3:10

dinosaurs, right? Yeah, they're the ones, basically,

3:12

they look like dolphins wearing monocles. Monocles?

3:15

Yeah, they've got really intricate eye bones,

3:17

which makes them look like they've got

3:19

monocles in. Oh, gosh,

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dolphins. Nooty dolphins with longer

3:23

noses. They're actually of

3:26

the Crystal Palace dinosaurs. They're one of

3:28

the only ones that's actually halfway accurate.

3:30

Okay, I can picture them now, yeah.

3:32

Because she found so many well-preserved ones

3:34

in the cliffs on the beach and

3:36

so on in, well, just

3:39

offline Regis. And she also found

3:41

loads of ammonites. So ammonites, make sure I'm

3:43

visualizing this correctly because it is an audio

3:45

medium. Ammonites are the

3:47

big spirally ones. They are.

3:49

Right? It used to be known, I think

3:52

we talked about this in one of the Sunil

3:54

episodes, as stone snakes because

3:56

people thought they'd been

3:59

turned to stone. by and old. Yeah, or they, when a

4:01

saint like drove the snakes out of England,

4:03

they turned them

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to stone and chucked them just

4:10

off the cliffs at the beach. They

4:12

thought they stone-bearded them. Yes,

4:16

exactly. That's not what happened at all. They

4:18

just petrified and turned to stone slowly. Yes,

4:20

ages ago. Is petrified the wrong way? Oh,

4:22

well. I'm not going to go paleontology, so

4:24

I don't know.

4:27

No. And that was what we were looking for

4:29

as a family. We went fossil hunting because I'm

4:31

a cool dad. It was my wife's idea. I

4:33

can't take credit for that. I love fossil hunting.

4:35

Oh, yes. Because they really, the fossil can't really

4:37

fight back in any way at all. Yeah.

4:40

It's strongly tipped in your favor. It is

4:42

the least dangerous game. You don't even need

4:44

a beagle. Or

4:46

a beagle. They're very similar sounding words, considering

4:48

they work together. Yeah. You don't want to

4:50

get them mixed up. No, you can blow

4:52

down a beagle. No, you need to bring

4:54

some mouthwash. I

4:57

imagine that mouthwash. They definitely make a

5:00

noise. We

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did. We, by the way, we found some cool

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fossils and there's loads, loads

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of them. The other other reason

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lime Regis is famous is because

5:13

of the Monmouth rebellion, AKA the

5:15

Pitchfork rebellion, AKA the revolt of

5:17

the West, AKA the West country

5:19

rebellion. Now, Alastair, is this like

5:22

one of those folk bands that

5:24

keep cycling through members? No,

5:28

no, not this time. This is

5:30

like that historical event. It's a

5:32

historical event. It's from 1685,

5:36

which was around the time that the Royal family

5:38

was like a band cycling

5:40

through new members with different differing

5:42

levels of popularity. Now, I

5:45

like the sound of Pitchfork rebellion already

5:47

on board with these guys. Is this

5:50

finally the peasants standing up for their

5:52

rights and demanding their

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due and hopefully poking some

5:56

landowners in a three pronged

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manner? No. Oh,

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it's not that. It's Charles II's

6:03

bastard son being annoyed that his

6:05

uncle became king. Ahhh.

6:08

Yeah. And who gets caught in the middle? The

6:11

pitchfork wielding peasantry, as always. Yep.

6:13

Doing the dirty work for someone's

6:15

nephew. Yeah. Or something. It was

6:18

the Duke of Monmouth. That's where

6:20

the name the Monmouth Rebellion comes

6:22

from, which is the most famous

6:24

name. Ducky Mons. James

6:26

Scott, the Duke of Monmouth, who was Charles

6:29

II's illegitimate son, and

6:33

he wanted the throne. But when Charles II died,

6:35

it went over to James II. James II, James

6:39

Electric Boogaloo. He was

6:41

also called James, but he wasn't happy with

6:44

it being a different James. He was a

6:46

different James, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking as a

6:48

James, we're not all the same. We're not

6:50

half of the James community. Yes.

6:52

We're not all exactly the

6:54

same. There is Jimmy, Jamie,

6:56

and the simple Jim. Where

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were we? Monmouth. The Duke

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of Monmouth. He'd been banished

7:03

to the Dutch Republic,

7:05

along with some co-conspirators after the 1683

7:07

Rye House Plot. Now, is that R-Y-E,

7:13

or was it just a little bit

7:15

arch? It was R-Y-E. Which kind of

7:17

rye? It was a place. It was

7:20

simply a place. It wasn't a house with

7:22

an attitude. Okay. All right.

7:24

I don't see this flying with the

7:27

execs. I think we need this house to

7:29

be a little bit more radical and a bit more in your

7:31

face. What

7:33

it was was an attempt to assassinate

7:36

James and Charles, the brothers, because Charles

7:38

had already sort of named his successor

7:40

as being James II, his

7:42

brother. The Rye House

7:44

Plot was headed up by, amongst others,

7:46

the Duke of Monmouth. The plan

7:49

was to ambush them on the way

7:51

back from watching the horse races at

7:53

New Market. That was foiled, because 10

7:55

days before the plan was supposed to

7:58

happen, New Market burned down. Oh,

8:00

lucky. Which is not

8:02

the usual method of foiling an

8:05

assassination plot. And it's weirdly both

8:07

exciting and boring at the same

8:09

time. So yeah, but anyway, the

8:11

plot got discovered and a bunch

8:13

of people got banished to the

8:15

Dutch Republic, including other

8:17

co-conspirators such as Edward Norton.

8:20

Oh yeah, Bruce Banner. Yep,

8:22

one of the Hulks. Probably

8:25

his best known role. Yep. And

8:27

others were executed, including William Russell.

8:29

Yeah, the playwright. William Willie. Yes.

8:32

I know. From the musical. Is

8:35

it the Brothers One? Blood Brothers. Yes.

8:38

So that was back in 1683. And

8:41

then on the 11th of June

8:43

1685, the Duke of Monmouth landed

8:45

at Lime Regis, planning to take

8:47

control of the area and then

8:49

march on London. And he did

8:52

quite well. He was proclaimed king

8:54

in Taunton. I think it

8:56

was king. Okay, you take what you can

8:58

get. I've gigged in Taunton, you know, they're

9:00

not easy to win over those people, so

9:02

fair play to the lad. Yeah. And

9:05

to repeat the joke that we did when

9:07

we had the folks from Lex Education on

9:09

about Taunton, I thought it smelled bad on

9:11

the outside. It's a Star Wars reference. It

9:14

was very good. It was a star. Did

9:16

that go over well? Did that go over

9:19

well with the Lex Education folks? Or was

9:21

it widely misunderstood at the time? I think

9:23

it was just me and Ron

9:25

that got it, to be honest, at

9:27

the time. Well, you can't keep referencing these

9:29

obscure outhouse films and expecting us to know

9:32

what you're talking about. That is true. Just

9:35

do more of Willie Russell musicals and

9:37

the works of Edward Norton. So this

9:39

period of time was called the Duke

9:42

King Days because of the Duke. The

9:44

Duke King Days. The Duke King Days.

9:46

Yeah, he's a tough guy. He's like,

9:48

I'm the king of Taunton. In Taunton,

9:51

they call me king. They call me

9:53

the king of Taunton. I'm

9:55

maybe a Duke, but I'm a king. in

10:00

the land of calm. Put up your dukes and the

10:02

king of Taunton. Yeah, he's a

10:04

tough guy. Well, this lasted six weeks. I

10:06

mean, snirrer that if you want, Jones, but

10:08

we haven't been king at all. So

10:11

being king for six weeks is pretty impressive.

10:14

Even in Taunton. I reckon we could

10:16

become king of Taunton for the summer

10:18

holidays. Oh, okay. All right. It lasted

10:20

about six weeks. Locals sided with the

10:23

rebellion and they fought a series of

10:25

skirmishes, which culminated in a massive defeat

10:27

at the Battle of Sedgemore. The

10:30

government army was commanded by the

10:32

Earl of Favechim and John Churchill.

10:34

Yes, that Churchill. Related to the

10:36

famous dog. Yes. Well,

10:38

John Churchill was the son of a

10:40

Winston Churchill, but not that one. Not

10:43

a time traveling that one. No, of

10:45

course not. He was son of Winston

10:47

Churchill Classic, as I think the history book referred

10:49

to him. I'm surprised because I've always thought of

10:51

Winston Churchill as the kind of person who would

10:53

travel back in time to have sex with his

10:56

relatives. Well, speaking

10:58

of having sex with your relatives, that

11:00

Winston Churchill, the Winston Churchill

11:03

Classic, their descendants obviously

11:06

includes new Winston Churchill

11:08

on one side, but

11:10

he's also sired the

11:12

Spencer side, which includes

11:14

Queen Elizabeth II, Illistric

11:17

Boogaloo, and Charles III,

11:19

of course. Yeah. But

11:21

hold on. Isn't that the surname? It's a

11:23

little dinosaur name. A little? A

11:25

little Queen of Hearts we like to call

11:27

Lady Diana. So they were related to each

11:29

other. This, geez, this must be the

11:31

first time that's happened in the aristocracy, since in

11:33

the Europe. Oh,

11:36

I'm embarrassing for them. I have

11:38

some chins to show you from

11:40

Spain that might change your

11:43

mind. Yeah, the Spanish listeners are trying to do

11:45

a chinny wreck on, but the aristocratic ones can't.

11:48

That's all they can wreck on. They can

11:50

only wreck on things. I

11:53

pronounced chinny wreck on in a really weird

11:55

way there. We

11:57

said itchy chin in the northeast. any

12:00

reckon we went no we would say

12:02

yeah we'd say itchy chin chin you

12:04

reckon Jimmy Hill a beard and

12:06

itchy beard yeah and just

12:08

if you were ever telling a story and

12:10

someone even even if they're just wiping away

12:13

a fly they've touched their chin you'd be

12:15

like no it's true it's actually true there

12:18

were a lot of chin fly would do

12:20

a whole it would draw a whole sort

12:22

of goatee with his hands oh yeah

12:25

and then and then pluck out a single

12:27

imaginary hair very

12:30

you realize he didn't believe

12:32

you you'd gone too far yeah that

12:34

was the story is over oh that's

12:36

nice the other version was like it

12:38

would be you know just your classic

12:41

index and thumb on either side

12:43

of the chin drawn down and

12:45

then extended beyond the

12:49

chin to imagine a very long

12:51

pointy and the longer and pointier

12:53

and in fact curled up that

12:55

bit that imaginary beard was reflected

12:57

the tallness of the tail all

12:59

curled like an Aladdin shoe yes

13:02

yeah yeah but anyway back to

13:04

the battle of search more place

13:06

in a place near Bridgewater which

13:08

has cropped up in the pod before I think

13:10

a man kicked her hair that he

13:13

thought was a witch I mean that

13:15

probably happened in a lot of places

13:17

we've talked about but this specific place

13:19

that this happened was called Western Zoe

13:21

land who which sounds imaginary but it

13:23

is a real place how's it spelled

13:26

W E S T O N Z O Y L

13:28

A N D Oh

13:31

West on Zoe land Western Zoe land

13:33

yeah it's got a Z in which

13:36

is always fun in a place name

13:38

this is in contention for being the

13:40

last battle on British soil but some

13:43

people would disagree most of them are

13:45

Scottish or Jacobite but

13:48

ultimately Monmouth did manage to escape the

13:50

battle disguised as a peasant he was

13:53

caught in a ditch with a pocket

13:55

full of peas and apparently what do

13:57

you mean caught with a pocket

14:00

full of peas. He had a pocket full of

14:02

peas. He was starving and he just managed to

14:04

get some peas from the field and then he

14:06

hid in a ditch and then someone

14:08

saw him and he was... He was scanning his

14:11

peas. It was his terrified eyes that gave him

14:13

away. He popped a

14:15

pf of pea into his mouth.

14:17

Yeah. It's him. It's him.

14:19

It's the one that they're looking for.

14:21

I don't know why they'd have that

14:24

accent. Not real near me. They're looking

14:26

for. It'd be him or you're

14:28

right. He's got a pocket full of peas. Well,

14:30

you must be. Hold on mate. Is that the

14:32

King of Torren over there with a pocket full

14:34

of peas? I believe it must be. You pay

14:37

for those peas mate. You can pay for the

14:39

peas. He's coming in the field and taking the

14:41

peas. He is taking the peas. Yeah.

14:43

Take it here. I've made that to

14:45

a good point. I'm not quite sure

14:47

how many farmers there were in that

14:49

scene. There are a number of very

14:51

similar sounding farmers with quite unusual accents.

14:53

They've all got a similar point of

14:55

view. Repes. They're

14:58

all weirdly surprised to see peas.

15:00

And yeah, this defeat led to

15:03

the bloodiest eyes.

15:05

I'm sick of

15:08

these. It's the bloodiest eyes

15:10

is led by judge Jeffries, AKA

15:13

the hanging judge. Now he

15:15

sounds like a wrestler. He sounds like

15:17

a WWE wrestler. It's judge Jeffries. You

15:19

know, because it's strutting in wide

15:22

angle lens crowd going wild. It's

15:25

hanging judge Jeffries and

15:28

his assistant bloody as eyes

15:30

is. Yeah. He's

15:32

got a Paul Bearer vibe. I don't know if you remember

15:34

at 80s WWF enough

15:36

to remember Paul Bearer. Was there

15:38

someone called Paul Bearer? He was

15:40

the sidekick of Undertaker. The Undertaker.

15:42

Right. Very good. It was kind of before

15:45

the 90s when it got

15:47

quite extreme, when it was quite silly,

15:49

but they had characters. And

15:51

yeah, the Undertaker had like an assistant,

15:53

like a few of them had assistant

15:56

when it was like panto, but with

15:58

serious injuries happening. Yes, exactly. Like

16:00

Royd, literally Royded up pantomime. But

16:03

yes, the bloodier size is, Judge

16:06

Jeffries, his court travelled

16:08

around the West Country. A steel chair. Yes,

16:12

he brought his own steel chair to

16:14

the events. Yeah, his court travelled around

16:16

the West Country and that

16:18

1,400 prisoners were sentenced or dealt with.

16:20

300 were hanged, most

16:23

of them being also drawn and

16:25

quartered and gibbited. Wow, that is

16:27

an incredibly high figure for both

16:30

of those. Eight to 850 were transported

16:32

to the colonies, basically

16:37

into slavery, and most

16:39

of the rest died of jail fever,

16:41

which is typhus. Is that the same

16:43

as typhus? Right, not just

16:45

being very enthusiastic about jail. No, they

16:47

were very enthusiastic. Bad sanitary conditions. Yeah,

16:49

it was grim in there. I don't

16:52

like the sound of this guy. No,

16:55

Judge Jeffries, he was a real wrong-on.

16:57

Now, can we do a post-credits montage?

17:00

Or is it probably at the end of the

17:02

film? You know the one, I mean. It's got

17:04

a picture of them laughing and then it sort

17:06

of freezes and goes into black and white and

17:08

text comes up on the screen. I love finding

17:10

out what happened to people after the film ended

17:13

in the form of text. Yeah. Bring

17:15

that back. So yeah, Winston Churchill

17:17

classic, sired. A

17:19

bloodline that included new Winston Churchill,

17:22

Queen Lizzie II, Charles III, Lady

17:24

Diane, Duke of Monmouth. Lady Diane.

17:26

He was beheaded. No one calls

17:29

for that. Carry

17:31

on, carry on. Some

17:33

people might if they're inaccurate. Yeah, Duke of

17:35

Monmouth, you know, found in the ditch with

17:37

the pocket full of peas. Ditch peas, yeah.

17:40

He was beheaded in the Tower of London

17:42

on July 15th after

17:44

many blows of the axe. And

17:46

it was Jack Ketch who did it, who you'll

17:49

remember from the Punch and Judy audience. Oh yes,

17:51

of course. Eyewitness said it took

17:53

about seven or eight blows to behead him.

17:56

The Tower of London website says five.

17:58

They're probably trying to protect. reputation.

18:00

Jack Ketch, not a

18:02

Nazgai. He's

18:05

everywhere by the time they're finished. James

18:08

II, on hearing William of Orange, was on

18:10

his way to invade in 1688, so only

18:12

three years later,

18:15

he fled and through the

18:17

great seal of the realm in the Thames, that's

18:19

a wax seal I need to specify. An animal.

18:21

No, because that would have bloomin' loved it. Yeah,

18:23

exactly, but take to it like a duck to

18:25

water. Or a seal to water. A seal to

18:28

a river. A rare rabbit to a briar patch.

18:30

Yes, but he tried to run away

18:32

to France. A seal would have been like, you fool,

18:34

now my bow is greater than ever.

18:38

He ultimately ran away to France. He was

18:40

kind of allowed to escape. And the next

18:42

one in the post-credit montage is Judge Jefferies,

18:45

hanging Judge Jefferies. He was made Lord

18:47

Chancellor by James II in 1685.

18:50

Obviously that only lasted three years

18:52

because when James fled, Judge Jefferies

18:54

also had to flee and he

18:56

was ultimately captured in a pub

18:58

in Whopping. And the pub's now

19:00

called the Town of Ramsgate, which

19:02

is confusing for a pub name. That's

19:04

really confusing. But it's not the most

19:06

confusing pub name. Another confusing pub name

19:08

crops up in this story. It's half

19:11

a mile away, also in Whopping,

19:13

and it was one of Judge Jefferies'

19:15

favourite pubs because you could drink a

19:18

pint and look at the gibbited pirate

19:20

hanging from Execution Dock on the other

19:22

side of the river. And

19:25

that pub was called the Prospects of

19:27

Whitby. It's like Daggerfall. I don't know

19:29

if you know of the Elder Scrolls

19:31

2 Daggerfall. No. But it

19:33

had a very large procedurally generated, or

19:36

as we called it in those days,

19:38

random map. And I think,

19:40

I don't know, I think they got confused

19:42

between the list of pub names and town

19:44

names. So they had towns with

19:46

names like pubs and in that town there would

19:49

have been a pub named like a town. A

19:52

pub called like Western

19:55

Zoiland, Milton Regis. In a

19:57

town called, you know, the

19:59

Millazines. arms. Just really confusing. Oh,

20:02

that is very confusing. Really confusing.

20:04

The prospect of Whitby though, it sounds

20:07

like it's named after a concept. Like

20:09

you'd have a pub called The Idea

20:11

of Scumthorpe. The

20:15

Threat of Carlisle. Judge Jeffries was taken to

20:17

the Tower of London where we died. Not

20:19

a pub. Not a pub. A bit of

20:21

a tower. And tourist attraction now. And he

20:23

died around 1692, probably

20:25

in a lot of pain from a kidney infection.

20:27

Oh dear. Oh well, but then

20:29

we didn't like him. No, he's the bloody Azizis

20:32

guy. Really awful. Oh, and a freeze frame

20:34

on the person that discovered Monmouth in the

20:36

ditch. As sizes. As sizes. Yeah, yeah. And

20:38

a freeze frame. What was the farmer who

20:40

discovered him on the ditch? Yeah, a freeze

20:42

frame on them. He's back in it. Yeah.

20:45

Their family fell into decay

20:47

and according to

20:50

a letter written by the Earl of Shaftesbury in 1787,

20:52

their house has fallen down and it was

20:56

with the greatest difficulty that anyone could be

20:59

made to inhabit it. So there's sort of

21:01

a bit of a curse there on them. And

21:04

then it's like the post post credits bit, because this

21:06

is the ghosts. Because there's ghosts.

21:09

Okay. So like if you

21:11

wait past that to see if there's

21:13

a little teaser. Yes. Past the credits.

21:15

So back in the jury, we've already

21:17

done grips and best boys and catering

21:19

back during the bloody Azizis in

21:22

Lyme Regis, 12 were

21:24

condemned to be hanged. And the

21:26

night before the hangings hanging Judge

21:28

Jeffries stayed at the great

21:30

house, which stood on Broad Street. And

21:33

they say to this day,

21:35

his ghost still haunts the

21:37

spot gnawing on a bloody

21:40

bone. Ooh, dog. Yeah.

21:42

And there's loads of tales of Judge

21:45

Jeffries around the area because he was

21:47

such a so hard, a rottor. And

21:50

in Sedgemore battlefield that is meant

21:52

to be haunted. And according to

21:54

friend of the show, folk promise

21:56

and legends of Britain readers

21:58

digest edition. Even today,

22:00

the 1970s, the cruelty

22:03

of that battle and its bloody

22:05

aftermath haunt the memory of the

22:07

West Country. The bitter spirits of

22:09

slaughtered rebels are said to hang

22:12

as balls of light over the

22:14

battlefield, and strange shadows flip silently

22:16

towards the River Carey, where they

22:18

disappear. And there's ghost horsemen with

22:20

cloaks flying in the wind, ghostly

22:23

troopers, and even Monmouth himself, fleeing

22:25

through the Sedgemore lanes. And

22:28

in the late 19th century,

22:30

a farmer, you can do the voice,

22:33

I'll give you the line, he

22:36

said he heard on the moor, someone

22:38

he took to be drunk, shouting, come

22:40

over and fight. Well, on the moor,

22:42

someone like, don't be drunk, saying, come

22:45

over and fight. That's very good. He

22:47

was standing at some distance, that farmer. Yeah,

22:49

he was still in the field. I tried

22:51

to imply he was one field over. So

22:54

there was one of Monmouth's followers, was renowned

22:56

as being really good at running, and he

22:58

was promised his life if he could outrun

23:00

a horse. So he was

23:02

tied to a horse and raced across

23:04

Somerset. And the horse did actually tire

23:06

before he did, but his captors broke

23:08

their promise and hanged him anyway. Oh,

23:12

yeah. His ghost haunts near Western

23:14

Zoiland. You can hear the sound

23:16

of running feet and pounding hooves.

23:19

I should think he'd be pretty annoying. John

23:21

Plumlee, the Lord of Locking Manor, fled and

23:23

hid probably in one of those little false

23:26

cupboards that we've talked about before, but his

23:28

dog gave him away and he

23:30

was hanged. Did he take the dog in with him? No.

23:33

And his wife picked the dog up

23:35

and plunged to her death in the

23:37

locking well. And her ghost, still carrying

23:39

the dog, is sent to haunt the

23:42

distracts. He posted the dog died as

23:44

well. Where the dogs was a snitch?

23:47

Fair enough. Yeah, fair enough. Fair enough.

23:49

Snitches don't get treats. Yeah.

23:52

So that's, it got

23:54

spooky in the end. It started off with the history

23:56

leopard. Very spooky, yeah. And a load of ghosts. That

23:58

running ghost though, that's pretty. spooky. That is

24:01

good yeah. Well think up

24:03

the next time you're enjoying a pocket

24:05

full of peas. Count your

24:07

blessing. Yeah, or gnawing on a bloody

24:09

bone. Or plunging into

24:13

a well clasping a dog. Yeah,

24:16

or being grasped up by your dog. Yeah, think

24:18

on. Think on. So are

24:20

you ready to score? Yes.

24:23

The story of the hanging judge

24:25

ghost. Given that

24:27

we're doing the scoring and we've just talked

24:29

about the ghost I'm gonna start with supernatural.

24:31

Okay, well. Hmm. Well, that's the location of

24:33

one of the ghosts. You

24:35

got me there. Okay, so that's one point already. Just

24:37

for a ghost a ghost you fell into. Well, there

24:40

were loads of them. There were absolutely loads

24:42

of ghosts but they were not evenly spread

24:45

throughout the story. You

24:47

put them all in right at the end. Like

24:49

a little bit of chocolate at the end of

24:51

a cornetto. Yeah, that's great, isn't it? That's

24:53

a good bit. It's the best bit

24:55

of a cornetto. Yeah. It stops the

24:57

ice cream leaking out. It has a

25:00

practical purpose as well. I stopped too

25:02

much fact-sleeking into this podcast. Alright.

25:04

I'm inclined to give you a four there, I

25:09

think. Not

25:11

even little ghosts and mum with with

25:13

a pocket full of ghost peas. A

25:15

ghost pocket full of ghost peas. Ghostly

25:17

peas. Now they'd be frozen peas wrapped

25:20

around the cornetto. Yeah,

25:22

no, that's not so good. So stick

25:24

them at four? Fine. I'll stick with four,

25:27

thank you. Yes. Okay, then. In which case

25:29

I'm gonna say my next

25:31

category which is naming. Western's

25:34

oil and. Western's oil and.

25:36

Great. Hanging Judge Judy. Great

25:39

name. William of Orange. That

25:41

was just briefly mentioned. We

25:43

haven't mentioned

25:46

him. The famously uncrunked, traversal

25:48

but hilariously named historical figure William of

25:50

Orange. He was, he was Mar I

25:52

think he was Charles. This his mum

25:54

was Charles the first daughter or something

25:57

like that. That was his claim to

25:59

the throne. Mmm, the duking

26:01

days the king of Taunton

26:03

king of Taunton. Yeah, great

26:05

king of Taunton The the

26:08

bloody the bloodiest sizes

26:10

these is no I'm

26:14

sure I'm sorry. This is

26:16

a size is because it's a sigh in there

26:18

because it's not as fun as it should be

26:21

bloodiest sizes the

26:24

Rye House plot It's

26:31

a sly five I think it's not one

26:33

of it's not one of the ones where

26:35

it It's full of absurd

26:37

names, but there's a whole whoa whoa

26:39

whoa whoa whoa whoa Alistair I think you've

26:41

forgotten the town of whopping with the

26:43

pubs the town of Ramsgate and The

26:46

prospect of Whitby well had already given you

26:48

a five well I just wanted to say

26:50

that it was a it was a good

26:52

five as you it was a solid solid

26:54

five as you proclaimed before Why

26:56

aren't there capital numbers because that would

26:59

that should be one? I don't remember

27:01

saying that but okay It's a capital

27:03

five. Maybe I read into it the

27:05

idea that you're proclaiming it or lamenting

27:07

it But you did say that such

27:09

thing as capital numbers. Well, they should be maybe you

27:11

just said they should be and you know What you're

27:14

right? I was right. I was right don't

27:16

remember saying it but very wise my

27:18

next category is bloodiest

27:20

sizes They

27:23

were they weren't they just a

27:25

pink egg We've

27:27

we've sort of teased the the hanging judge

27:29

He's kind of cropped up as a bit

27:31

part in some of the other West Country

27:33

tales that we've talked on But

27:36

he's really he's really come into his

27:38

own here. Oh, yeah, I like courtroom

27:40

drama Mm-hmm, but these are whenever you

27:42

hear about the assizes. It's always like

27:45

testimony from a goat. It's always some

27:48

drunken aristocrats getting

27:50

away with murder It

27:53

makes me I normally don't want I want to

27:55

sort of Atticus Finch character, but

27:57

there never is it's always it's

27:59

just Eruption yeah all the way

28:01

to the top and and locals yeah

28:03

getting getting killed It was although in

28:06

this case the the you know the

28:08

ringleader did not get away with it

28:10

He was on the edge into the

28:13

Tower of London Hmm

28:15

with somewhere between five and seven blows

28:17

of the axe. Oh, yeah. Yes Yeah,

28:20

and that is pretty bloody that must

28:22

have been bloody yeah, and all of

28:24

the people okay the people hanged Would

28:27

not have any of them were drawn

28:29

and quartered and we both know you

28:31

you cannot Reasonably quarter someone

28:33

without making a bit of a mess no

28:36

you cannot do that humanely no So

28:39

it's a it's a five out of five

28:41

such Bloodiest sizes I was gonna say the

28:43

ghost was also gnawing on a bloody bow

28:45

It's a five out of five for blood

28:48

deus sizes blood deus sizes I

28:50

think the final category just just

28:52

has to be my

28:55

dadness Really my dadness

28:57

my dad okay, okay, your dadness

28:59

my a dad killer which sounds

29:02

more more like Dracula Yeah,

29:04

you're great. Obviously a great dad good lab.

29:06

Yeah Fossils

29:09

knows all about history sort of

29:11

no not like it like 90%

29:13

correct Grubby history grotty history yeah

29:16

the cool stuff But yeah, then

29:18

the stuff with all the headings

29:20

and peas and everything buckets full

29:22

of peas And

29:24

it turns out I've got a ghost child it

29:26

seems and yeah, and you even looking

29:28

after a ghost so yes I think it'll be

29:30

kind of rude for me to give you less

29:33

than a five yeah For

29:35

being a dad yeah, it would be it

29:37

was just that I don't have faith in

29:39

you I has been quite a highly scored

29:41

episode of this yeah, and it's all about

29:43

four Mmm. Yeah, I could do better could

29:45

probably do that. Could you okay? Well, I

29:47

think a five out of five for that

29:49

I mean look there's so many world's best

29:52

dads mugs out there. I've got to you've

29:54

got to I've got to I Can't

29:57

be accurate Kenneth. No, but only be one

29:59

of those if that was accurate.

30:01

I'm going to say four room for improvement.

30:03

Spend more time with the living instead of

30:05

running out after a ghost. Just

30:11

a quick sidebar. If

30:13

you are doing the last post, do

30:17

make sure it's a natural bugle. It's

30:19

very disrespectful to do the last post

30:21

on a bugle. But it

30:23

would sound a little something. It

30:26

can't be good for the bugle. It can't

30:28

be good for the player. It

30:31

can't be good for the

30:45

player. Everybody loses,

30:48

up to you. I'm

30:53

going to say, thank you very much to our editor Joe for doing

30:55

the editing there. Lovely stuff.

31:05

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31:07

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