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Hey, audio listener, today's show is a little chaotic

0:02

because last minute Alex Rosen, the OG Predator Poacher,

0:04

decided he was going to be on the show

0:06

very grateful and then the Vague, knowing that we

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would be talking about his conversation,

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spirited conversation with Ann Coulter, also made

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spirited between us. So two guests and

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of course we need to let you know

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that Nick DiPallo, I don't know how much

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Sirot, near Amm and

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other areas near the Gaza border. I still

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love that they have a border, we don't.

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The IDF confirmed that the missiles were intercepted

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by a defensive back out of Florida

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State, intercepted by the

1:05

Iron Dome. That was my Nick Dam in high

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DiPallo. That's

1:56

called the Russ Ship. Russ. It's

2:02

a rushed fit because I just found out before

2:04

going on air that we actually have two guests

2:06

today. We have the OG pedophile

2:08

poacher Alex Rosen on the show and

2:10

we also will have Vivek Ramaswamy. So

2:12

I'll bring up the rundown but it's

2:14

not entirely relevant because this will probably

2:16

veer off course quite quickly. We'll

2:19

be talking about the interview with Ann Coulter

2:21

and Vivek. He's Indian. And

2:25

we will be talking about the predator

2:27

catching gone wrong with Bradley Martin and

2:29

Vitaly. You know they did something

2:32

similar to what Alex Rosen

2:34

does in catching pedophiles.

2:37

I'm pro catching pedophiles. My

2:39

problem is I'm anti doing it for clout in a

2:41

way that lets them get off

2:43

scot-free. And so we'll

2:45

be going through these clips and talking. And a really

2:47

good discussion. I mean not that I didn't. I already

2:49

had a lot of respect for Ann Coulter and

2:52

Vivek. Full disclosure I've spent quite a bit

2:54

of time with both of them at different periods of my

2:56

life. But I gained more respect

2:58

or they gained more of my respect. Not

3:00

that they care. They're not sitting there going,

3:02

I hope Steven Crowder respects me. I

3:06

thought it was a good interview even though they talked about

3:08

race and a lot of people will say that it was

3:10

white supremacy. So

3:12

let me ask you what you thought of that interview.

3:16

And another

3:18

question, if it were up to you, what would

3:20

society do with pedophiles? I mean how would

3:22

we execute them? Comment below. At

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over to Rumble. It means that it's not airing on

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YouTube. But it is in fact still on Rumble. There's

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no dump on Rumble. It's a live show. Weekdays

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10am. Every day. Well they may

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not know that if you're not a member of MUG Club. Alright.

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doing well. How are you? I'm

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good. I just want to make sure I get this road on the

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you sir? I'm good. You

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can't feel my gratitude. No I can't you're

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right you're right and I'm grateful for it

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and I deserve it but I'm

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doing good though I had a pretty good day pretty good day

4:22

yesterday am I allowed to... yes the afro

4:24

man because his flight was he was late he was late

4:26

and so you pre-taped

4:31

the show with him. Yes we pre-taped the show

4:33

we kept it very sober

4:37

and yeah got some good fashion advice yes

4:39

some good rapping advice yes you did so

4:42

yeah out rap community I'm coming yeah he's

4:44

coming for you rawr

4:46

you don't necessarily need to watch your sick

4:51

also funny because he has a good sense of humor I don't

4:53

think you will mind this actually happened he was supposed to be

4:55

on the show yesterday afro man first name afro last name

4:57

man and he showed

5:00

up late and we always

5:02

ask people who come in their guests we want to be good hosts what

5:04

is it you would like us to get for you fried

5:07

chicken so

5:09

he showed up late to which we brought his own

5:11

fried chicken in addition to the fried chicken that we

5:13

had prepared for him. Well his plane was delayed to

5:15

be fair. That wasn't his that was not his fault.

5:17

Not at all. To be fair. Do I get it

5:19

maybe he thinks okay they're on top of it they're

5:21

gonna have warm chicken for me I flight delayed now

5:23

the chicken probably gonna be cold. I better get my

5:25

own because I don't want to be rude I

5:28

didn't have to say I know I'll give you something

5:30

else right yeah no that's true it

5:33

doesn't explain the one at

5:35

all just kidding he did not. He asked for fruit

5:37

punch snapple though. That's pretty close. He

5:42

actually did. That's

5:45

more of a palate cleanse from the cult

5:47

45. That actually happened. Yes. All through. And

5:49

you know what was a lot of a

5:51

lot of fun. Gerald got to talk to

5:53

talk with me about faith and I

5:55

was not there because well I

5:57

had a Ridley Scott creature growing up.

6:00

inside of my stomach, but I think I'm mostly

6:02

better now. All right, you got it out. Let's

6:04

move on to this. This is the best gorilla

6:06

training video since the

6:08

Taliban with the monkey bars. Nothing better

6:11

than that. Come

6:14

on. Did you see monkey bars on battlefield?

6:16

Yes, exactly. That was the worst part about

6:18

the war, I'll tell you that. Was the monkey bars?

6:20

Yeah. They just put them up real

6:22

properly. Like those iron crosses on the beaches of Normandy,

6:24

like put up the monkey bars, this is an obstacle.

6:26

The country mostly monkey bars and sand. And the funny

6:28

thing is we Americans are also better at monkey

6:31

bars than the Taliban. That's

6:33

so much better. And they do it all day.

6:35

Send in the CrossFit Brigade. So

6:38

these pro Hamas protesters, of

6:41

course, have been starting trouble across the country, thousands of arrests

6:43

at this point, I believe. It's 2,700. Yeah,

6:45

we have this in the New York Times. 2,700

6:47

arrests on campus since April 18.

6:50

But that's not stopping them

6:53

because these professional pricks at

6:55

Emory University were caught by

6:57

a drone training on how to

7:00

fight the riot police.

7:03

I use the term training very loosely. Is

7:11

this the band practice? Yeah. March.

7:16

Oh, what happened? You got a break in the

7:18

formation. Oh, look at him. I

7:20

half expect him to have like one of those parachutes in the

7:22

school ground. Now

7:25

kiss. It's like Red Rover. Pause,

7:30

pause. Here's the funny thing about that. If you

7:32

look from up top and it will be, we

7:34

will see it again reinforced. There

7:36

clearly was no training before this. I know

7:38

it's sort of a troll play. Oh, they're

7:41

weak and they're silly. But it's true. They

7:43

don't even take a staggered stance. Meaning

7:45

they don't take, it's basic human biology.

7:48

If you watch any sport that exists,

7:50

right? Boxing, wrestling, football, for crying out

7:52

loud, sprinters come off the blocks on

7:54

a staggered stance. Because if you stand

7:56

completely straight, that you stand like this,

7:59

it's saying. Please tip me over.

8:01

All you do is this. Right?

8:03

Just that. It's called a post. Are you familiar with

8:06

leverage? They don't even do this. So

8:08

I don't know how they're preparing for an incoming attack. Please

8:11

let me put myself at such

8:13

a biomechanical disadvantage that it would

8:15

be an impossibility for me to

8:18

do anything other than fall back on

8:20

my skinny ass. Keep playing. Now

8:26

the feet go back. Be like, oh crap. Now watch,

8:28

watch, watch, watch. Oh no,

8:30

they weren't even crouched before. They were

8:32

just standing like, oh, what's going on?

8:34

Oh no, wait, incoming. You had, this

8:37

is a drill. You've watched

8:39

them walking in and they're just standing there

8:41

like, oh wait, maybe I, maybe I should

8:43

put my legs in a position where I

8:45

won't keel over. I hate to give them

8:47

any type of training advice, but um, look,

8:49

and you should never underestimate your

8:52

opponent, but you watching, listening right now,

8:54

yes, you can kick their ass. Keep playing. Now

9:02

the feet go back. You can see it. And

9:06

they supposed to be, um, are those,

9:08

uh, they supposed to be cops? Yeah.

9:10

Yes. I believe so. With

9:12

no strength or. Right. Yeah. No strength or no

9:15

ability or endurance. Also, by the way, in that

9:17

last one, can you just show that last portion,

9:19

that last clip or just freeze frame it? Typically,

9:21

if you go, there's a reason, for

9:23

example, in like mixed martial arts or

9:25

boxing with their shirtless, uh, they put

9:28

Vaseline on their eyes because they want

9:30

to avoid handles and they want to

9:32

avoid abrasions getting cut. So this, can

9:34

you play it? I don't know if, yeah, keep

9:36

it right there, right there. So we want to avoid handles.

9:38

We want to avoid anything. If someone could grab and gain

9:40

leverage, right? It's an unfair advantage. Think of a hockey fight

9:43

that young man or woman. I have no idea. It says,

9:45

give me the poncho. I

9:48

want to be the man with no fighting

9:50

ability. Just grab it anywhere and pull me

9:52

away. Before we go to this, uh, police

9:55

riot, uh, can you guys just all line

9:57

up for your scarves? Yeah. Put on a

9:59

scarf. Scarves. We're also... Pretty sure that's the same

10:01

guy from Finnegan's hit the other day. Yes, it is! Yes! Give

10:04

me the poncho. Of course, I have spacers in

10:06

my ear. And if you could give me the,

10:08

uh, the ox nose ring. I wanna look like

10:10

a yak. So that they could simply drag me

10:12

to the ground with one pinky. I

10:16

love that these guys are really cute. They'll just

10:18

try to do something like this. It

10:20

really is. True. I

10:22

don't know why I like that so much. Because

10:25

it's silly. Uh, let's all go, gagity yak! gagity

10:27

yak! Can't find back. Can't find back. I forgot

10:29

the real reason to want it. Don't talk back.

10:31

Don't talk back. No, gag back. Oh, no, gag.

10:33

Stance. You guys look, okay, I'll do it real

10:35

quick. You guys understand the difference, right? The point

10:37

is this. But you're giving a class here? It's

10:39

just this. If you stand. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. That's fine.

10:42

Guaranteed, if you push me, I have

10:44

to go back. There's nothing that can stop me. This

10:46

is why you just... Look, I know it's crazy. This

10:49

is witchcraft. This. This

10:51

is called a po- Whoa! Hey! Burn

10:53

the van! Anything! Any sport!

10:55

They have no concept of

10:57

remote athletic position They don't.

10:59

Whatsoever. What did they coach

11:02

before this? They said you gotta stand there

11:04

and you gotta push them with your ponchos.

11:06

Well, what are they- Wow. Has any of

11:08

those people ever played a sport? Yeah. In

11:10

their life. I don't think that I saw

11:12

any reports of short stops or- No. Line-backers

11:14

or boxers at the protest. Exactly. Also,

11:17

not only that, Stephen, like... Low

11:19

van wins at that point, too. Yes.

11:21

Like so. Don't just stand there. We

11:23

shall- Oh my gosh! Yes! Just

11:26

go back on your frickin' back. Come

11:28

on! Oh my gosh. Imagine if they'd

11:30

deal with actual civil rights. Like, you

11:32

think these bitches would stand up to

11:34

a fire hose? No. An angry German

11:36

Shepherd? The football team. Somebody's just going

11:38

there. Just destroying them. The pickleball players,

11:40

for crying out loud. They stand no

11:42

chance. Tennis team. Stephen Seagal stands a

11:44

better chance of blocking Ongbek's leg kick

11:47

with one of his one-knuckle punches on

11:49

the thigh. No, don't. Yet you started. No, just as I'd like

11:51

to catch- Oh, geez. Here we go. I

11:54

would love to see like an offensive tackle walking by

11:56

England. Hey,

11:58

you guys want some- some pointers. I

12:01

kind of know how to do this and they're like, I

12:04

think we got it, white boy. Thank you

12:06

very much. Yeah. No jocks allowed. Yeah, bro.

12:08

All right. Thought I'd

12:11

have to cause but... Okay. Not exactly

12:13

Greek culture with those folks. Hey, none of this happens

12:15

by the way we have from the Vacon. We have

12:17

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12:19

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12:43

entire lineup. Anything else? No? No? Good.

12:45

Okay. And Coulter and Vivek.

12:48

They sat down and talked about

12:51

a lot yesterday but namely immigration. And

12:54

of course, you're seeing people now discussing how

12:56

this was racist. I don't care.

12:59

If you listen to the whole interview, they

13:01

both make pretty good points. I'm curious as

13:04

to who you think made the better points

13:06

or with whom you think you line up more. Comment

13:08

below. I think

13:10

that Ann Coulter did a good job of articulating her points without

13:14

giving much room for people to simply say that she's a

13:16

racist. I think that race

13:19

does or ethnicity I should say matters to

13:21

a degree. And I think that some of

13:23

her points were incorrect and I think that

13:25

Vivek made some good points but maybe didn't

13:28

articulate them as clearly as

13:30

you would have liked which is why he'll be on the

13:32

show in just a short while here,

13:34

about 15 minutes to clarify that. But that brings

13:36

us to this week's installment of It's Kind

13:38

of Eye on India and It's Kind of

13:40

Flying V. Flying V on

13:42

India. Flying V! Flying

13:47

V! And

14:00

then saying, well, that's not true or is there anywhere I

14:02

can find that? So we tried

14:04

to aggregate the points that maybe some

14:06

people found contentious or felt

14:08

as though they needed more research and we

14:11

will make all those references available to you

14:13

as we do every day. Click the link

14:15

in the description, lidowithcredder.com. It started off with

14:17

Coulter telling Vivek that she agreed with him

14:19

but could never vote for him and this

14:22

is something that Coulter does. She'll say something

14:24

that maybe would offend someone, obviously not Vivek,

14:26

to then make her point which was quite

14:28

valid. So Ann, thanks for coming

14:30

on and I'm looking forward to our conversation

14:32

today. Me too. Thanks

14:34

for having me. That was a fantastic opening

14:37

monologue. I too am

14:39

a fan of yours. I'm going to make a

14:41

point of disagreeing with you so that it will be

14:43

fun. You are

14:45

so bright and articulate and I guess I

14:47

can call you articulate since you're not an

14:49

American black. Can't say that about me. It's

14:51

derogatory. And that was a great opening segment.

14:57

Lots of things to talk about there. Oh and I

14:59

agree with many, many things you said during, in

15:02

fact, probably more than most other

15:04

candidates when you were running

15:06

for president but I still would not have voted

15:08

for you because

15:11

you're an Indian. We'll get back to that.

15:14

And it's directly related to what you were just

15:16

talking about. You know, the thing about nationalism, you're

15:18

totally right, it is like to use the

15:20

word nationalism. Oh, Hitler is Hitler. And

15:25

you know, Hitler had soup. That

15:27

doesn't mean we shouldn't have soup.

15:29

Okay, so a couple of things

15:32

here. First, I do very much appreciate that

15:34

Ann Coulter has discovered an early

15:36

YouTube home studio circa 2009. That's

15:39

true. A Yeti Mike in blue bed sheet. But then she

15:41

wore blue. She's going to

15:43

blue screen herself out to just be ahead. She-

15:49

I also like soup. Yes, I do like soup.

15:51

Hitler's still bad. Hitler's still bad. Okay,

15:53

Hitler's still bad. Okay. I don't know

15:55

if Pol Pot likes soup. I hope they didn't like soup. Come

15:57

on. Don't ruin it for everybody. It could have been Pol Co-

16:00

Cauldron. We

16:02

can edit that out. That's

16:04

right. We can't. Now

16:06

it's live. So they

16:08

were kind of arguing. Here's one thing that

16:10

I think people miss. She was sort of

16:12

making the case that American values

16:15

are inherently tied to ethnicity and Vivek believes that

16:17

American ideals are separate from ethnicity. Both

16:19

of them are correct in that American ideals

16:21

here, the Constitution, the liberty of the, sorry,

16:24

the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, life,

16:26

liberty, pursuit of happiness, it's

16:28

not exclusive to any ethnicity, right? It's

16:30

not mentioned. What

16:32

Ann Coulter is saying, and she's also correct, is

16:34

that ethnicity is a

16:37

very strong indicator as to

16:39

whether people will understand

16:41

those ideals. She's not saying it's

16:43

because of ethnicity, but statistically, it's

16:46

very difficult to get around the

16:48

fact that you do see clusters,

16:51

right? You do see these vectors on a graph

16:53

of, okay, these ethnicities or people from these areas

16:55

of the world tend to

16:57

reject the American ideals as per

16:59

the Constitution and the Bill of

17:01

Rights. Does that make sense?

17:03

She is saying she'll say it in a

17:06

way that people find incendiary. It's a metric

17:08

that is important. Yeah. And I

17:10

think Vivek brought some really good points into kind of counter some

17:12

portions of what she was saying, but

17:14

I think the problem that most people are going to have is that

17:16

they're going to watch that clip alone. Exactly. And

17:18

they're not going to go and watch the rest of what I think was a 30, 45

17:20

minute interview. I can't remember

17:22

exactly how long it was. Right. And they

17:24

just do a better job of kind of laying out

17:26

the point of saying, I'm not going to vote for

17:29

you because you're Indian. So that sounds bad on its

17:31

surface. I think it sounds like... I heard that. I

17:34

was like, well, well, hold on. Because he's Indian. What

17:36

are you talking about? Well, it depends on his driving

17:38

record. That's my opinion. And the stickers. Do you have

17:40

the stickers or not? Yes. A

17:42

hop driver. So she's a bit as an important metric, I

17:44

would say. And that's the problem with social media. Look, when

17:46

we used to do, when I would do videos on YouTube,

17:48

there was no Instagram or TikTok where someone else would simply

17:50

rip 10 seconds and make a bunch of money off

17:52

of it. So there's a difference between

17:55

using these platforms as a tool versus starting

17:57

off with, how do I get

17:59

attention? How do I get attention? clout. Nothing these two

18:01

were doing that. I'm saying other people who stir this

18:03

up are doing that and then you have some viewers

18:05

who may not understand the context. So let's go to

18:07

the first point that they discussed to clarify this and

18:10

it's centered around the idea that immigrants

18:13

don't always understand American values. It's true.

18:16

Lots of our very best immigrants

18:18

just do not understand the Second

18:20

Amendment. They do not get the

18:22

First Amendment and to take polls

18:24

of them, you know,

18:26

should you have a right to bear arms?

18:29

Should hate speech be

18:31

banned? And it's noticeable

18:33

that large percentages of

18:35

immigrants and children of

18:38

immigrants really don't

18:40

get that. And I think that

18:42

is the point of having natural

18:44

born citizen only for president. This

18:47

is a really delicate thing we have,

18:49

this freedom to bear arms

18:51

and there being no such

18:53

thing as hate speech. And

18:55

it's just an additional little

18:57

safeguard. Now, of

19:00

course you would say, well, that's not because of their race

19:02

or ethnicity. That is true. Statistically,

19:04

however, it is important

19:06

to recognize the fact that,

19:09

for example, Hispanic Republicans, meaning

19:11

Hispanics here who, of course, legal

19:13

immigrants, these are the stats we're

19:15

using, references are available publicly. Hispanic

19:17

Republicans are three times as likely

19:19

to support gun control measures compared

19:21

to non-Hispanic Republicans. And half

19:24

of immigrants actually view themselves as more

19:26

global citizens than American citizens.

19:29

That is a statistical reality. Now, there is an

19:31

exception. If you dive into those, often Cuban Americans,

19:33

that's the big difference between people fleeing

19:35

a government that has persecuted

19:37

them, that they wish they

19:39

could have fought off, they wish they could

19:41

have overthrown. So they tend

19:44

to have a deep respect and revere the

19:46

First Amendment and a better understanding of the

19:48

Second Amendment. Now, we'll get into some stats

19:50

on Hispanic Republicans later because some of Ann

19:53

Coulter's talking points were entirely relevant until

19:55

the map shift from Donald Trump.

19:58

Yeah. And I understand the point that she's... she's making

20:00

there, but don't the voters get to ask those

20:02

questions? Just because somebody doesn't

20:04

like, you could say that about Democrats

20:06

running today that they don't agree with the first amendment

20:08

as it is written, as it has been in, you

20:10

know, kind of in place for the entirety of our

20:12

existence. They don't agree with the second amendment. They don't

20:15

believe that everybody has the right to a firearm. That

20:17

should not be a disqualifying thing to run.

20:19

It should be a disqualifying thing to get elected.

20:23

Then everybody gets to make that decision for themselves,

20:25

no matter who holds the point of view, a

20:27

seventh generation WASP or somebody... But

20:29

you're just a generation. They are three times... Hispanic Republicans are

20:32

three times more likely and that is because many of them

20:34

are first... She's

20:36

right on the outcome as far as, look,

20:38

the problem is a lot of people coming

20:41

from other countries, particularly, for example, Hispanics or

20:43

African migrants or certainly the Middle East, they've

20:46

had enough generationally to get this right and

20:48

a lot of the time they don't. Not

20:51

because of their race, but it is a reality and a big part

20:53

of that comes in effect by the

20:55

fact that they're surrounded by other like-minded people. It's

20:59

a new thing for them. Coming to a new country from

21:01

another place. Yes. You know,

21:03

it's not only the amendments to the Constitution,

21:05

they misunderstand. It's like our culture, movies, music,

21:07

which by the way, to be fair, I

21:10

recently learned that I get

21:12

confused by it too when I did my

21:14

last screen test. Oh no, we have one?

21:16

Yeah, it was auditioned for the remake of

21:18

The Village. Okay. Yeah. Hey,

21:21

sorry I'm late. Is there still time to

21:23

audition? Sorry, the

21:25

main roles have all been filled. Still

21:27

auditioning for people for The Village, if you want to try.

21:30

Oh, The Village people. Yeah, just

21:33

give me a sec. Is that okay? Yes? One

21:35

sec. What

21:38

is this? I'm one of The

21:40

Village people. That is not what

21:42

we had in mind. Oh, okay.

21:45

No problem. I'll be right back. No,

21:47

I don't think... I'm all wet. I

21:49

mean, I'm all set. What

21:51

are you supposed to be? What?

21:54

I'm another one of The Village people. No, you're

21:56

not getting it. You're not supposed

21:58

to... If I send you a... out again. Are

22:01

you going to come back in a costume? I

22:06

guess he's not interested. Let's bring

22:08

in the next. Hey, sorry, sorry

22:10

I'm late. The feathers are weighing me down. Get

22:14

out. Get the hell out. No

22:16

more screen tests. Wow. Here's another

22:18

point that they discussed. Nope, had

22:21

enough swings at that. Point

22:23

number two that they discuss here. And

22:25

Ann Coulter is making the point that a lot

22:27

of people who come from authoritarian governments, even if

22:29

they are legal immigrants. And this is

22:32

a valid discussion to have. I think we can all

22:34

agree illegal immigration, send them back, build

22:36

a wall, of course. Then you

22:38

also have the luxury of selecting, if you

22:40

are the belle of the ball, which

22:42

immigrants you want in your

22:44

country. I believe that that is

22:46

a valid discussion to have. And she makes the case

22:48

that people who come from countries where they have been

22:50

bossed around by their government and have accepted it are

22:53

more easily bossed around here

22:56

and are more easily swayed

22:58

by authoritarian arguments, big government

23:00

arguments, than natural born citizens.

23:03

It isn't really true that the

23:06

seventh generation wasps are voting

23:08

worse than the immigrants. One

23:11

of the problems with

23:13

the immigrants we've been taking in, actually

23:16

probably any immigrant, is definitely 90% of

23:19

legal immigrants come from the third world. True.

23:24

They're used to authoritarian governments. They

23:26

block votes. And

23:28

every four years, I have to hear about

23:31

how, no, I think we're going to take the

23:33

Hispanic vote this year. I think

23:35

we're going to get the Asian vote.

23:37

No, you're not Republicans. Every

23:39

election is decided by slight movements

23:41

of the white vote. Now, the fact that

23:43

the white vote is that

23:46

close, yeah, OK, I hate 50% of

23:48

them. But they are the ones

23:50

who change their mind and

23:53

look at the different candidates. It's

23:55

much more easy to boss around people who

23:57

have come from an authoritarian culture. So

24:00

that premise, the last phrase, that's

24:02

true. I can tell you this

24:04

with Canadian American immigrants. I have friends who are Canadian

24:06

who are here and they still don't understand the second

24:08

amendment. And during COVID they were the

24:11

most willing participants in the experiment. That is true.

24:13

And those people of course were white. As

24:15

far as the Hispanic vote, she

24:17

was correct until recently under Donald Trump. And

24:19

let me provide some statistics for you here

24:22

because this is in fact something that can

24:24

be quantified. Let's use

24:26

an example like Arizona. She says, decided only by

24:28

these, these small margins in

24:31

white American votes. No, that's

24:33

just not the case anymore. That is

24:35

factually incorrect. So for example, in Arizona,

24:37

the Hispanic voting population is 1.19 million

24:40

people. Okay.

24:43

Donald Trump lost president Trump by 10,000 votes

24:45

approximately, 10,500 give or take, okay. In

24:49

Arizona, he had 37% of the Hispanic vote.

24:53

Okay. 37% of the Hispanic vote.

24:55

Now in nationwide polling, Donald

24:57

Trump actually wins the Hispanic vote. But

25:00

specifically if we go to more specific

25:02

in Arizona and it oscillates. But

25:04

the lowest that we find is president

25:07

Trump now getting 46% of the votes. So

25:09

we had, okay. 10,000 votes decided it.

25:13

37% of Hispanics voted for Trump in 2020. If

25:16

46% of the Hispanic vote

25:18

in Arizona vote for

25:20

Trump, that's 107,000 more votes than 2020. He

25:24

lost by 10,000. That nine

25:27

point swing, 107,000 more votes in Arizona, boom, wins Arizona. We

25:31

could go, we've gone through States before. You can

25:33

do it in Georgia. You can do it in

25:35

places even like Pennsylvania. If you look at the,

25:37

the, the margins with the black

25:40

vote, with all immigrant votes. Yeah. What she said

25:42

was correct until the fundamental shift

25:44

that has taken place in the last two years.

25:47

I say that bringing tidings of great joy. Yeah.

25:49

He's bringing also that when we talked to, we

25:51

talked about Afro man, we talked to him about

25:53

this, he's bringing the black community along with him

25:55

in a very large way, significant way. I would,

25:57

he's not going to ever win. a

26:00

majority of it, but he doesn't have to. You

26:02

just make some moves, like what you just talked about there was a 9% change in

26:04

the Hispanic vote. That

26:07

was it. You don't have to change it by miles, you

26:09

just change it a little bit and Democrats

26:11

have a very hard time winning elections. Now that

26:13

has to happen at the voting booth. So we

26:15

have to see that, but he's doing

26:18

a great job there. So I'm not sure why Ann

26:20

Coulter's not seeing that and also saying, hey, that's great,

26:22

that's improvement and just focusing on the white vote because

26:25

that for me can get into like, okay, we're just going to get

26:27

rid of the black vote, the Hispanic vote, the Asian vote, the Hispanic

26:29

vote, anybody else vote, let's just focus on white people. People

26:31

can very easily attack you there. I think

26:33

what she's saying, and I think there might

26:36

have been some miscommunication here, she's saying, and

26:38

I agree with this, don't pander to minority

26:40

votes that won't have as big of an impact.

26:42

For example, remember Michael, what up steal, that he had his

26:44

blog, what up, what was the RNC, I don't remember

26:47

the RNC chairman, I don't remember what he

26:49

was. He was in some position of authority

26:51

and it was a pandering like, hey, yo

26:54

dark skinned kids, I'm one of you, what's

26:56

happening? And they were like, no, absolutely not.

26:59

The ideals of the constitution, the

27:01

ideals of, of course,

27:03

the Bill of Rights should apply to,

27:06

should be, I should say, attractive to everybody.

27:10

They're not always attractive to everybody depending on

27:12

the culture from which they're

27:14

coming right now if they're first generation

27:16

immigrants. So it's a valid point, don't

27:19

pander, but you don't want to solely

27:21

focus on the white vote because that

27:23

would simply be to leave many, many, many, many votes

27:26

in the table. Toolman, I want to, since we'll have

27:28

the Vacon, I want to go to point

27:30

number four, I want to use that clip and we'll use

27:32

number three because I'd like to discuss that with him, but

27:34

we'll present it to you right now as key

27:36

point number three. And

27:39

this is very interesting because a lot of people didn't know this,

27:41

we've talked about it here on this program.

27:43

And by the way, Ann Coulter reiterates the point that

27:45

not only I've made for years now, but Thomas Sowell

27:47

made before any of us to be clear, the founder

27:49

of the feast. And he was, if

27:51

you haven't read it, if you haven't read his articles

27:53

on this or American Rednecks is one

27:55

of my favorite, please

27:57

do consider it. She makes this point that.

28:00

immigration now is very, very

28:02

different fundamentally than it was

28:04

before we had the modern welfare state

28:06

and an interesting tidbit on the Statue

28:08

of Liberty fact-checked true.

28:11

We have certainly deployed troops

28:14

and money and

28:17

aid and pamphlets and voice of

28:19

America around the globe trying

28:22

to get other countries to adopt this

28:24

country's ideals. And

28:27

yet, no other country has

28:30

really been able to do it. The

28:32

closest you have is Australia, Canada. They

28:34

were never going to become us. So

28:36

there does seem to be some

28:38

mystery secret sauce by giving these

28:41

ideals to Anglo-Saxons or at least

28:43

a culture that is dominated

28:45

by Anglo-Saxons. I don't

28:48

know if that's the clip, I believe it's clip Ellis

28:50

Liberty that you should have. Okay, here we go. Yes,

28:52

in there. Basically, at any

28:54

point from, I don't know, 1632 up until 1965, if

28:56

you couldn't make it,

29:00

you went home or you starved

29:02

to death. There was no warm bath

29:04

of welfare benefits this would be sunk

29:06

into. And most people don't know

29:08

this, but about 30% of the

29:10

prized Ellis Island immigrants went

29:12

home. 60%

29:14

of Southern Italian immigrants

29:17

went home. So that's how

29:19

without having any laws or having to

29:21

pick this one or that one, we

29:24

just naturally got the best the world

29:26

had to offer. We were skimming the

29:28

creams. You're absolutely right. Yes, these are

29:30

ideals accessible to anyone. The Statue of

29:33

Liberty, the genuine purpose of the Statue

29:35

of Liberty, not what socialist Emma Lazarus

29:38

slapped on it 50 years later.

29:40

That poem has nothing to do with why France

29:43

gave us the Statue of Liberty. It's supposed to

29:45

be liberty lighting the world. All

29:47

of that is correct. So the stats, for example,

29:50

31% of the Ellis Island immigrants returned to their

29:52

country of origin will provide those references for you.

29:55

And yes, the Statue of Liberty was meant

29:57

to symbolize specifically freedom from slavery. Of

29:59

course, not for open borders. And for those of you

30:01

who did not know, yes, it was a socialist named

30:04

Emma Lazarus, uh, who had that poem

30:06

put on the statue 20 years later

30:08

after the statue was built. And before I

30:11

give you some points here to undergird that,

30:13

I think it's quite important to put this

30:15

in context. We are now not

30:18

at a point where this administration or

30:20

our government is talking about bringing in

30:22

the best and brightest or even, you

30:24

know, a skill based immigration policy. We

30:27

have a former vice president Biden regime

30:29

wanting to bring in military male

30:31

aged Palestinian refugees to this

30:33

country with nothing to offer.

30:35

We are so far off

30:37

the beam today. The statue

30:39

of Liberty would be completely

30:41

unrecognizable. Oh,

31:00

but the point is, is very important.

31:02

A lot of people don't know this,

31:04

that immigrants, many of them came from

31:06

countries where as Ann Coulter has described,

31:08

uh, they experienced certainly much more of

31:10

an authoritative government and they were promised

31:12

more security. There are plenty of people

31:14

who will give up their Liberty, uh,

31:16

for some false sense of security. Now

31:19

those people back then had a

31:21

choice. Come here to the

31:23

United States, uh, where you incur all risk.

31:25

But you bet you have the benefit of

31:27

freedom or go back to your country

31:29

of origin where you do not have that freedom,

31:31

but maybe it's a little bit safer. It's the

31:34

same reason that most people work as employees versus

31:36

starting a business with their own savings account. You

31:38

have that choice to make. We have now removed

31:40

the risk. That's what is so different. We have

31:42

removed the risk where people are incentivized to come

31:44

to the country. Black, white,

31:46

yellow, red, black, yellow,

31:48

white, they're all precious in a site. It's a racist

31:50

song for Jesus. That song, Jesus loves the children. I

31:52

know it's just not, it is, but

31:55

now people can come to this country with no

31:57

education, with no skill set. receive

32:00

welfare benefits, and they're incentivized to

32:02

stay. That is a huge

32:05

difference, and I do believe that we are

32:07

at the point where immigration policies, just like

32:09

any other country, should be based on some

32:11

kind of merit. You want to come here?

32:13

That's not enough. Everyone wants to

32:15

come here, and certainly everyone would want to come

32:17

here if they can benefit from social

32:20

safety nets that exist in the United States to

32:22

which they are not paying in. Who wouldn't want

32:24

to come here? Very, very different dynamic than, you

32:26

want to come here? Okay, fine. You start paying

32:29

taxes, and you're not eligible for any

32:31

of these social welfare benefits until

32:33

an allotted portion of time has taken place, and

32:35

you have paid in. Yeah, it's very, very different.

32:37

It's like a vesting period, but by the way,

32:39

it shouldn't be harder to get into Notre Dame

32:41

than it is to get into the United States.

32:43

Like, we have screening processes for this. You

32:45

want the Cream of the Crop students to come in? We

32:48

have a screening process for that. I wasn't aware, by the

32:50

way, of how many people left, how many

32:52

people went back home and couldn't make it.

32:54

And tying these things together, I think, is

32:56

very helpful for me, especially, to

32:58

say the welfare policies made it

33:00

to where they didn't have to go back. Right.

33:03

The people that couldn't hack it just

33:05

got to stay and live off of everybody else. Right. And that's

33:07

the thing that really is destroying the country right now. So I

33:09

know that we had Vivek actually in the chair, so I'll let

33:12

you guys go back to that, but we'll come back and talk

33:14

about a few of these points with him. But you're wrong. It's

33:16

not that it's not the way it... What did I say? By

33:18

the way, it should be harder to get into the United States

33:21

than Notre Dame. It should be equally hard. It should

33:23

be... No, I said it should be harder. It shouldn't

33:25

be easier to get into the United States

33:27

than Notre Dame. Oh, I thought you were saying that it's

33:29

too hard to get in the US right now. No, I'm...

33:31

No. Okay, good. We agree. We shouldn't screen more for a

33:33

college. I thought you'd turn into a filthy pink o'Connell. I

33:36

wouldn't do that. I was very shocked. I can tell you

33:38

how much of an Aliti is because he was able to

33:40

get in. Yeah, it really hurt his knee. I

33:44

got a free education, so that's true. You did. You did. But

33:48

you got a free education along with

33:51

pondering... What? Along

33:53

with pondering pain of the dreams

33:55

that were. That's okay. You

33:57

got a degree. All right. Let's

34:00

have him come in, the

34:02

Flying V himself, Vivek Ramaswami.

34:05

Vivek! Vivek,

34:10

always good to have you. Can you hear me? See

34:12

me, sir. I can. Vivek

34:15

Ramaswami. It's just the usual spelling. I don't

34:17

care. The reason why... I think

34:19

it's because I'm Indian. Yes, that's exactly right. That is absolutely right.

34:25

By the way, I do appreciate, though, that

34:27

you have a studio where we can see

34:29

you and it's not a blue shirt on

34:31

a blue background where you look like the

34:33

floating Homer head in the Japanese commercials. This

34:35

looks... It only took me a

34:37

year of running for president to figure some of these things

34:39

out. Yes, that's true. That's at the top of the learnings

34:41

from the last year. And

34:43

before we cover this, look, this interview, of course,

34:46

is picked up steam. Where's

34:48

the best place for people to go to the

34:50

original source and watch it, what

34:52

you have put out there to the public? Apple,

34:55

Spotify, YouTube, name it.

34:58

Those three, wherever you get your podcasts, as they say, go get it.

35:01

The funny thing is this was supposed to be

35:03

the relaunch of a podcast I started during the

35:06

presidential campaign. And the whole point

35:08

for me is, and this is the point of the campaign, and

35:10

this was part of I took a little bit of a break.

35:12

Now I just relaunch this podcast, is to start

35:14

to have the kinds of debates, even within

35:16

the right, that we don't actually have, intellectual

35:19

debates. And so I thought a fun one

35:21

to start with is, you know, there's the

35:23

N word and you're not supposed to say

35:25

it. Nationalism is what I'm referring to. Oh,

35:28

you caught me. I thought he's not

35:30

going to say the N word. Indians

35:33

don't have a word past. Nationalism. No,

35:35

an Indian can absolutely say nationalist.

35:37

Non-white nationalist is what

35:39

some have called me. But

35:42

I think that was an interesting discussion about what it means

35:44

to be a nationalist. And so I thought, you know,

35:46

let's get somebody who has actually thought deeply about this

35:49

and cultures on that list. And so this is

35:51

the first episode of the relaunch

35:53

podcast that kind of started during the presidential

35:55

campaign. And what do

35:57

you know? She starts with a... A

36:00

wake-up call, a dose of coffee, say, but she

36:02

was honest. Saying she couldn't have voted

36:04

for me even though she agreed with everything I said

36:06

because I'm an Indian, which I thought set up for

36:09

actually a really interesting conversation that

36:11

followed. I think it was. I

36:13

would like to roll one clip. So if you

36:15

can say the N-word nationalist, I guess that would

36:17

make members of Congress House nationalists. So we're burning

36:19

down that trail here. I

36:21

want to show this clip

36:23

because I think it's

36:26

the case about running for president now. I

36:28

mean, members of the House, they're actually not. Actually

36:34

most people are very afraid of the N-word nationalists,

36:36

right? So if only we could have gotten there,

36:38

that might have been interesting. No, you're

36:40

right. You know what? You're right.

36:43

It's the actual people on the ground out there doing the

36:45

work who are nationalists, field nationalists. So

36:47

the point that I wanted to discuss here

36:49

is you made a – and I think that

36:51

I agree with you. I agree with almost everything

36:53

that you both said, but I'd like

36:55

to give you the chance to clarify this because I

36:58

think that some wires have gotten crossed with people who

37:00

watch this. When we talked

37:02

about how the right shouldn't be reactionary

37:04

and then let me just kind

37:07

of take a moment to explain what

37:10

my perspective is on it and then give you

37:12

the floor. So let's run the clip here real

37:15

quickly. We might have even in what I may

37:17

call our wing, if I may take that liberty

37:19

of the future conservative movement, one

37:22

that is accidentally defined by

37:25

the threat we're reacting to

37:27

rather than affirmatively defined

37:29

on our own terms, right?

37:33

Individual family, nation, and God serving

37:36

as the alternative vision to race, gender, sexuality,

37:38

and climate. And I think it's a hard

37:40

thing to do. My definition of American identity

37:42

has nothing to do with what

37:44

that person has to say. It's going

37:47

to be independent and stand regardless of it.

37:49

And I just worry – we've had such

37:51

a candid conversation and I'll just close in

37:53

candor. I worry that a little bit of

37:55

even a deep, thoughtful, philosophically grounded

37:58

and committed person like your vision –

38:00

of our national identity may itself be

38:03

in part a projection of a response guided by

38:05

people who hate this country who should have nothing

38:07

to do with defining what a person like you

38:10

believes it means to be a citizen of

38:12

this nation. Okay, so really quickly, my perspective here,

38:14

and we're going to have Alex Rosen on one

38:16

of the original predator poachers,

38:19

which has now unfortunately been copycatted by other people

38:21

looking for social media clout. I

38:23

agree with the idea that you shouldn't

38:26

give more credence, for example, reacting to

38:28

some crazy blue haired person who has

38:30

no influence, right? Though

38:32

it's funny. I think though

38:34

this idea of not being reactionary, I

38:37

don't see conservatism or pushing back

38:39

as reactionary. I see it

38:41

as a reaffirming of the Constitution and

38:43

the Bill of Rights. And I would

38:45

agree with you if we

38:48

didn't have to deal with the fact that these

38:51

people who are radical leftists, the entire DNC are

38:53

in positions of power in all of our established

38:55

institutions. And so sometimes I will see people say,

38:57

well, why are you being reactionary? Well, no, no,

38:59

hold on a second. I'm bringing people back to

39:02

the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, to

39:04

which you were reactionary in the 1960s. It

39:06

was always that, you changed it, and now you

39:08

have states with abortion up until nine months and

39:11

after birth. So I sometimes have an issue

39:13

with, or I should say that I'm reticent

39:15

to go with the premise because then people

39:17

box you in where one side is only talking

39:20

about ideas and the other side is shooting airs at

39:22

them. Yes, so

39:24

I do believe with you, and

39:27

I think it's the only presidential candidate to actually say

39:29

this, that we are in the middle of a war

39:31

in this country. But

39:33

I think to win a war, you have to both know

39:35

who you're defeating and what you're

39:37

fighting for. Okay? And so

39:39

the conversation was just to understand who

39:42

you're talking to here. I mean, I've started

39:44

businesses to compete head on with BlackRock State

39:46

Street Vanguard. I wrote the book Woke Inc.

39:48

before anybody in this country, certainly on the

39:50

right, had heard the word woke. So

39:52

I do think it's important. And I say this

39:54

is a matter of self reflection, Steve, is that

39:56

I have been reactionary for much of the last

39:59

four years. something wrong with that

40:01

so long as it doesn't blind you

40:04

from actually remembering what you're

40:06

fighting for and that came up in the

40:08

conversation with Ann Coulter because I think she

40:10

said something that in her heart of

40:12

heart she probably at least a

40:15

version of her from before wouldn't actually believe

40:17

in but for the current environment in

40:19

this country which is that she couldn't vote for

40:21

me because of my ethnic heritage I

40:23

think that the thing I challenged her with is

40:25

to say that you know what if we didn't

40:28

have open-border policies in this country we had

40:30

a rational immigration policy like the one you just

40:32

described and I agree with you wholeheartedly in that

40:34

last monologue if we didn't have self-hatred permeating every

40:36

institution in this country from our universities to

40:38

our capital markets to a corporate America to our

40:41

media if we actually had a revival of national

40:43

pride in this country if English was the

40:45

sole national language in this country if we

40:47

actually ended birthright citizenship for the people who

40:49

broke the law to come here illegally to

40:51

have anchor babies against that backdrop I

40:54

don't think an culture would tell me to my face I

40:56

don't think she would even believe it that she couldn't vote

40:58

for me because I was of Indian heritage and so what

41:00

that has done I believe and I think it's beginning to

41:02

happen and I think this is the stuff of how nations

41:04

end is that the

41:06

reactionary impulse takes over the

41:09

very thing you were gonna fight for in the

41:11

first place and I think that's where we actually

41:13

are not because there's some other noble external standard

41:16

to be measured against because we fail to fight

41:18

for the very thing we cared about getting into

41:20

this arena for in the first place right I

41:22

mean why the heck did I run for president

41:24

why are you doing what you're doing why am

41:26

I doing and what why on earth am I

41:28

starting a podcast right now I don't need to

41:30

make more money I don't need a business but

41:32

I'm doing it because I think we need to

41:34

have certain conversations especially on the right yeah that

41:37

we're not having in one of those conversations and

41:39

I think it's relevant this year in particular I

41:42

think the reason we didn't have a red wave in 2022

41:45

is not because of abortion it's not because of Donald Trump it's

41:48

because Republicans fell into this trap criticizing

41:50

the radical Biden agenda and I've done that

41:52

you've done that but it gets stale after

41:55

a while really I mean Biden gives us

41:57

an endless list of things to criticize We

42:00

did not have an alternative vision that

42:02

we actually stand for. I'm not talking

42:04

about metaphysics and philosophy. I'm talking about

42:06

actual affirmative policies that we stand for

42:09

standing for merit, standing for free speech,

42:11

standing for the rule of law, standing

42:13

for actually making sure that people, bureaucrats, we

42:16

never elected aren't the ones running government. That's

42:18

a vision. Those are things to stand for, but

42:21

sitting around criticizing the radical Biden agenda

42:23

or the progressive on

42:25

their own terms is, is

42:27

fine. It's important. It's necessary, but we can't do it

42:29

at the expense of forgetting what we're fighting for. And

42:32

I think that's the mistake that and may have made

42:34

though. I respect a lot of what she said. I

42:36

think she's thoughtful person. I

42:39

think that that's may have clouded her own judgment, which is

42:41

what I sort of called her out into little exchange that

42:43

we have in my mind. And I agree

42:45

with you on that. I mean, we're about to have

42:47

Alex Rosen on, you know, I don't know if you

42:49

saw this Bradley Martin and Vitaly, they did this thing

42:51

where they tried to confront a pedophile, right? And the

42:54

problem is they did in a way where it may

42:56

let this pedophile off Scott free. Where's Alex Rosen, who

42:58

we've worked with has put hundreds of them behind bars

43:00

by doing his due diligence and the different approach. And

43:03

I will sort of personalize this. For example, and I

43:05

was just a comedian and actor until

43:07

you to where I had a, for example,

43:10

very familiar, the blue bed sheet behind me back in 2008, 2009,

43:12

where I would hear my friend

43:14

saying assault weapons, assault weapons, assault weapons. And I thought, wait

43:17

a second, they don't even know what that means. So

43:19

I can use these tools at my

43:21

disposal now, social media, YouTube was new

43:23

to do a top five myths about

43:25

the assault weapons ban. Use the tool

43:27

to shine up, to draw attention to

43:29

an important issue versus right now someone

43:31

just going, look, slow-mo shot on a

43:33

gun range by a woman with large breasts.

43:35

It's like, well, if your only goal is

43:37

clout and attention, this is no longer a

43:40

tool. The end game is attention. The end

43:42

game is controversy as opposed to using it

43:44

as a tool. But I do think it's

43:46

very necessary to cut through. Uh, in other

43:48

words, if there was no reaction at all,

43:50

I mean, we were just watching CNN all

43:52

day for the last several days. It's been

43:54

about the political persecution of Donald Trump and

43:57

the sham trials, but then taking it to

43:59

like what you say. Instead, concrete policies, I really like what

44:01

you just said about a national language because I'm

44:03

going to pull a coulter here a little bit.

44:08

I think you would agree with me because

44:10

you both mentioned that people from different countries

44:12

tend to, I use the term ghettoized,

44:14

create these enclaves where they don't...

44:17

And I will tell you, in Texas, that has happened with

44:19

a lot of Indian immigrants. Now, I

44:21

don't mean as far as crime, I don't mean

44:23

as far as not paying taxes, but as far

44:25

as many not speaking English and

44:28

whole neighborhoods where it is entirely

44:30

Indian, including Indian markets

44:32

where you will go as an American, say,

44:34

this doesn't feel like the United States of

44:36

America anymore. Have you noticed that with this

44:38

wave of obviously a record number of Indian

44:40

immigrants to the United States for tech jobs

44:42

and is solving that a

44:45

national language? Like you said, English, starting with you're like

44:48

everybody else. You have to get in line and you

44:50

have to follow here. Yeah, I

44:52

mean, I think most of the peers who I'm next

44:54

to, and this is just not a deflection of what

44:56

you said, it's just true, is I feel like most

44:58

people I'm surrounded by don't know how to speak English

45:00

either. Well, yeah. I think a lot of immigrants don't

45:02

know how to speak English. And I think that somebody

45:04

who tries to speak the language that was bequeathed to

45:06

us, it's a

45:09

deeper point. I'm not offering that as a quip. No, it's

45:11

true. I think a lot of what

45:13

we... You have a lot of self-hatred of this country

45:15

from immigrants who travel to this country who then are

45:18

critical of this country, who then actually are taking advantage

45:20

of this country without actually pledging allegiance to the flag.

45:23

And you got sixth and seventh generation of some

45:25

girl who, of a kid, of a guy who grew up

45:27

on the Upper East Side, now moves to Brooklyn, thinks she's

45:29

a hippie and shows up at a Hamas protest and says

45:32

the same thing. So I think that that

45:34

is a deeper issue in our country where if we're

45:36

just playing whack-a-mole, look, no

45:38

one's more hardline on illegal mass migration than me

45:40

and no one's more hardline in believing that the

45:42

sole purpose of immigration policy in the United States

45:45

needs to be to advance the interest of US citizens who are

45:47

already here. I hate

45:49

reciting standard talking points. They bore me. But

45:51

here's a fun one that nobody I don't think has cited, but it's

45:53

a fact. 12%

45:56

of the nation of Sierra Leone. Country

45:59

of 8 million people. talking about 950,000 people have applied

46:01

for a green card. So this isn't just

46:03

the illegal migration issue. It's the source of

46:05

magnitude of demand of if we did have

46:07

open borders, this is what's going to become

46:09

of our country. But Steve, I

46:12

think the thing that bothers me is why the hell am

46:14

I the only person in the Republican Party who

46:16

has the guts to say English should be our

46:19

national language? I know why am I the only

46:21

person who can actually offer legal argument for why

46:23

we should be able to end birthright citizenship without

46:25

a constitutional amendment? And so the irony to me

46:27

is I can answer that. It's

46:30

because of the color of your skin. And

46:32

I don't mean you are inoculated, you know,

46:34

for someone who looks like she's straight from

46:36

the... I disagree with that. I'm

46:38

going to be back at you, Steve, I'm going

46:40

to hit you hard for that. That is because

46:42

the rest of you are freaking lazy. And the

46:45

conservative movement has grown lazy. Cowards. People in this

46:47

country have common sense. What we really lack is

46:49

courage. So I'm not going to buy some BS

46:51

that's like my last name or my skin color

46:53

insulates me. Think about it, I had to step

46:55

down to my people. No, but that's the perception.

46:57

You have balls, but other people won't criticize you.

47:00

But we'll just level it. We're having some fun

47:02

here. I stepped down from my seat by CEO

47:04

of a company, multi-billion dollar company that I founded,

47:06

let a CEO built it from scratch, wasn't born

47:09

into money and had a choice to do what

47:11

every other biotech CEO was doing in the wake

47:13

of George Floyd, chose not to do it, did

47:15

not issue a statement in favor of BLM to

47:17

save in this country involves some measure of sacrifice.

47:20

Yeah. So to somebody, I get this from white

47:22

friends all the time, good hearted people. It's like,

47:24

I love that you can say it cause I

47:26

can't. My answer is bullshit. You're just a coward.

47:29

Stand up and actually say it. Stand for your actual

47:31

convictions. Cause if you can't stand for your convictions, you don't have

47:33

any at all. But the issue is no one else does say

47:35

it. Right. We say it on this show, right? And then we

47:37

take the arrows. Let me give you a very clear example. I

47:40

come from Quebec and the reason is the Republican party. Why aren't

47:46

they saying it? I am giving you your answer. That is the

47:48

answer. It's not, it's not, we need to know hold

47:51

on. Let me finish here. This is important in Quebec

47:53

and this goes to Ann Coulter's point. The only people

47:55

who feel they can't say it because they've been told

47:57

they can't say it are wasps in this country. Quebec,

48:00

they created language laws. They had the language

48:02

police to enforce it. And by the way,

48:04

this was copied across the world. This was

48:06

copied across the world. They said, oh wow,

48:08

we can do this because we want to

48:10

preserve a culture, French, namely French European culture,

48:12

right, Acadian culture in Quebec. And they created

48:14

these language laws, which by the

48:16

way were discriminatory against English speaking Canadians.

48:19

No one has a problem with it

48:21

any way except in white United States

48:23

of America because they've been told they can't. Now, I

48:25

don't subscribe to that, but I will tell you this,

48:27

my frustration is everyone in the

48:29

Republican party say for you and maybe Donald

48:31

Trump, it's a white guilt thing. They

48:33

feel they can't say English because people say, do you mean white? And

48:35

they go, no, no, no, no. And they're pussies.

48:39

Yeah, absolutely. You want to know what,

48:41

you know, the one nation that's spoken in

48:43

other country loan language has spoken in India.

48:45

It's English. So why can we worry about

48:47

that in the United States of America when

48:50

actually that creates coherence in our nation. And

48:52

so here's, here's what I'll say is no

48:54

excuses for anybody anymore. If you have your

48:57

own convictions, speak your mind in the open,

48:59

actually start standing for it. Don't assume it's

49:01

somebody else's responsibility and don't make excuses for

49:03

yourself for not doing it either. Now I'm

49:05

going to make two points here relating to ethnic

49:07

pride and nationalism. Look, I

49:10

didn't want, it's weird that every other

49:12

ethnicity other than the white ethnicity can

49:14

take pride in their ethnic heritage. But

49:17

with white people or people of a wasp right

49:19

or whatever take just pride, not denigration of anybody

49:22

else, but pride in their own ethnic heritage. Sure.

49:24

That's the embraces. I think that's weird. But

49:26

I think it's insufficient to just stop there. I

49:29

think what we're actually missing is

49:31

why doesn't everybody actually start taking

49:33

pride in the American civic heritage?

49:36

Right. So this is the way I don't want

49:38

to say, I think it's right. The reactionary

49:40

point is to make an observation that's

49:42

true. It's super bizarre and weird and

49:44

hypocritical and illogical and inconsistent for every

49:46

ethnicity except for one subset of ethnicities

49:49

based on the shade of your tan,

49:51

which if it's light shade of your

49:53

tan, you can't actually take pride in

49:55

your own ethnic heritage. Now I

49:57

think that's weird. And I think it's wrong. But

50:00

then if we go the direction of just letting

50:02

that reaction guide us and say, yeah, I want

50:04

white pride and somebody else, I want black pride.

50:06

Actually we're missing the whole point, which is we

50:08

should have a shared conviction in American pride, which

50:10

is what we've lost. And so that's, I think,

50:13

what I see in the conservative movement right now,

50:15

Steven, is I think the left, say

50:17

what you will about them. They will

50:19

offer a coherent vision, right? There's oppressors and

50:21

oppressed. They're good at offering a state of

50:23

emergency, whether it's the end of COVID-19 or

50:26

climate change. If you don't get it right

50:28

by then we're done. And

50:30

we have fallen into the trap of just stopping.

50:32

We need some of this to light the spark.

50:34

It's a means to an end, as you said, but

50:37

we fall into the trap of just making this as

50:39

an end in ourself to play whack-a-mole against the other

50:41

side versus remembering what we're fighting

50:43

for. And it's what's represented by that flag

50:46

behind you and the flag behind me. Yes.

50:48

And I think that, that conservative movement has

50:50

grown lazy. And unless we learn

50:52

from that, I worry we're going to have the red wave that never

50:54

came in 2024, just like we did

50:56

in 2022. And that's not up to the left. That's up

50:58

to us. I completely

51:01

agree with the, when you talk about the reactionary right,

51:03

to be clear, people who actually say we should only

51:05

have white migrants. So to give you an example, I

51:07

would take 20 Cuban American

51:09

and Cuban migrants here who are actually

51:12

fleeing right. A persecuted government versus

51:14

one Swedish socialist. But here, let me

51:17

give you the issue here

51:19

that I think a lot of people on

51:21

the right are missing. I'll just start

51:24

spouting off some, some titles here. The

51:27

American history of white supremacy, patriarchy

51:29

and the establishment of Western civilization. I've just

51:31

named you Ivy league courses where we're using

51:33

pride in the American ideals and every single

51:36

major school and media outlet, these kids are

51:38

being bombarded with. That flag means white supremacy,

51:40

guys, the constitution, bunch of white

51:42

guys. And so that's why people feel the need

51:44

to say, huh, it's not because it's white, but

51:46

also they weren't bad because they were white and

51:48

they spent much time on it. But the left

51:50

says American ideals are bad because of white. That's

51:52

what they say. And it's unfortunate. The left, the

51:55

left narrative is garbage here on this, but I

51:57

think that here, I'll just give you an example and

51:59

close. And this is why I'm bothering to relaunch

52:02

this podcast. And

52:04

actually, I don't take up a project if

52:06

I'm not serious about it. It's like

52:10

an analogy, but it's a related point where I'll hear

52:12

about so many people on our side preaching

52:15

about the importance of teaching our kids history. And then

52:17

when I talk to them, they actually don't

52:19

know very much about our history. And

52:21

we can talk about how we defend it like

52:23

hell against the fact that Thomas Jefferson was a

52:25

slaveholder. He's my favorite president. I love Thomas

52:28

Jefferson, TJ is the man. But they don't even

52:30

know that John Adams was an abolitionist

52:32

or that John Quincy Adams, his son, actually

52:34

was the only US president to go back

52:36

to the US Congress after serving as US

52:38

president for the cause of fighting for abolition,

52:41

violated the gag rule by saying the word slavery,

52:43

uses his own trial to actually make the case

52:45

against the gag rule, gets it abolished, or that

52:48

Abraham Lincoln was the person who actually carried him

52:50

out of the Congress floor when he died getting

52:52

a stroke in the middle of a speech on

52:54

the Congress floor. These are

52:56

great stories of American history. And I just

52:58

use that as an example where most conservatives

53:00

I talk to, well,

53:02

we believe in our founding and we're not teaching

53:05

our history anymore, have no clue about that story

53:07

of American history. And so for me, I think

53:10

our side has grown lazy. And I think that you're right. I'm

53:12

not just going to call that out. It's part

53:14

of what I'm trying to do on this podcast is

53:16

get into the content beyond this. If you

53:19

want standard conservative talking points, there's a lot of place to

53:21

go. And like, I just get sick of saying what other

53:23

people are saying. But if you want to

53:25

cover ground that other people haven't covered, that's why I

53:27

launched this thing. The first one with Ann Coulter we

53:29

put out yesterday in Apple, Spotify,

53:31

whatever it is, I'd encourage people to listen.

53:33

I'm not in this as a business. That's

53:35

not my principal objective. If I want

53:37

to make money, there's other ways to do it. But I do

53:39

think we need to elevate the quality of

53:42

conversation in this country and particularly on

53:44

the right. So anyway, I

53:46

love coming on with you because we get to do that.

53:48

It's one of these rare spaces and you keep doing what

53:50

you're doing and I'll come back

53:52

soon. Absolutely. And of course, John Hancock was

53:54

not an adult film star. Most Americans need

53:56

to learn that. We appreciate Vivek. Thank you,

53:58

brother. I appreciate it. the testicular fortitude to

54:01

say these things and the ability to articulate

54:03

it well. I think you've moved a

54:05

lot of people towards your position. We appreciate

54:07

it, brother. Be well. Thank

54:10

you, man. Take care. To

54:16

be clear, there is an adult film actor named John Hancock, but

54:18

it's a different one. Wait, what? I

54:20

know him. Yeah. Yeah, this guy's

54:22

great, man. He's great. He got fired

54:24

up. I stand by it, though. There's some inoculation. There's a

54:26

reason that it's not just him. Herman Kane was that way.

54:29

Ben Carson, they went after him. It's

54:31

one of those things that it's white

54:33

guilt from a lot of people on the right where

54:35

they feel they can't say national language because the left

54:38

says, do you mean white? No,

54:40

I mean a language. I mean a

54:42

language. There are other white languages and there are plenty

54:44

of people who speak English who are not white. But

54:47

it does have to be addressed because it's

54:49

not just the politicians who are afraid. It's

54:51

everyone on campus who is afraid, these students.

54:54

It's people who come out to these live shows to say, I

54:56

work in tech and I can't talk about this. They

54:59

need to be emboldened by people like

55:01

the vacant. That's why we do what we do

55:03

and we appreciate your support. We wouldn't

55:05

be able to do it. Yeah, and

55:07

I think it's right. People need to be more courageous. Take

55:10

more risks. I've been taking more risks

55:12

myself. I actually did another screen test

55:14

recently. If you don't mind, I'd like to show you

55:17

that one, too. What is the screen test? It's

55:20

a sequel to Napoleon Dynamite. Oh, I love

55:22

that movie. Yeah. Tim,

55:24

go ahead and roll it. No. What?

55:27

What do you mean no? I

55:30

mean, no. We already did one. I

55:33

think. No, play the clip. Play

55:36

the damn clip. What are you doing? No, screw you. I don't

55:38

want to play the damn Napoleon. Hey, you want to play the

55:40

movie? Yeah. Yeah, all right. Let's

55:42

go ahead. Let's go ahead. Let's what?

55:44

What? Guys? Let's hold on.

55:46

What? Oh my gosh. What? Hey, hey.

55:49

Play the clip, Tim. Yeah. I

55:52

don't. That

55:55

stuff is terrible. This

56:01

is a problem. Go

56:03

for Pangroat! Yeah, I don't know

56:05

how it will home. Okay guys,

56:07

look break it up, we're on

56:09

air. Come on, come on. We're

56:12

on air. Sorry

56:15

Gerald. You

56:17

guys okay? Are

56:20

you alright? Has anyone hurt? My shoulder

56:23

is a little sore. It's not because of Josh or anything.

56:26

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is basically a novelty item. I took the whole teacher thing

57:18

you gave me at once. It was a really bad idea.

57:21

Sure, it wasn't a great idea. But you took the whole

57:23

thing? I should probably read instructions. I was

57:25

like, that's not a lot. I

57:27

know we're running a little bit behind but do

57:29

we have Mr. Rosen? Okay,

57:31

so before that, let me just bring

57:34

this up here and this is

57:36

the difference like I was talking

57:38

with Vivek about. Bradley Martin and

57:40

Vitaly, they're sort of, would you

57:42

call them podcast hosts, influencers, content

57:45

creators, streamers? They

57:48

went out and sort of did their own version of predator

57:51

catching, you know, pedophile hunting, whatever term you

57:53

want to use. And you

57:55

see this a lot where someone comes up with an

57:57

idea, takes the risk, does it properly, and other people...

58:00

Good thing to catch pedophiles, we're all

58:02

on board. Yeah, pedophiles the head. My

58:04

only wiggle room there is how to

58:06

execute pedophiles if they're actual child molesters.

58:08

The problem is when people do

58:11

it improperly and that may let

58:13

these actual sex offenders walk free. Due

58:16

diligence matters using platforms

58:18

and social media and

58:20

new media to use that term anymore as

58:23

a tool to draw attention to

58:25

a person. That's one thing, simply

58:28

trying to get attention or

58:31

chasing clout, that's how you make mistakes

58:33

and unfortunately it can sometimes do more

58:35

harm than good. So this week you

58:38

had these streamers Bradley Martin Batali went

58:40

viral after catching this

58:43

screenwriter and I'm glad that a light

58:45

has been shined on it. Herschel

58:47

Weingrad I believe is his name in

58:49

this predator sting after which the

58:52

man will probably walk free. You know how old

58:54

she is? I didn't ask for her, she was 23. 23,

58:57

is that what the conversation looked like? 23

58:59

on a dating site. Yeah,

59:02

23 on a dating site. How

59:05

old is she? I have no idea. Lila how old

59:07

are you? I'm

59:11

sorry, she was 23 on a

59:13

dating site. All we've done is saw

59:15

her. She didn't tell you how old she was? She

59:17

did. She did, how old is she? She said she

59:19

was 16. Where you going? I

59:22

heard a piece I'm going to go. Okay, have a seat. Have

59:24

a seat. Wow, I'll sit with

59:26

you. I'll eat pizza with you. We're just having pizza, right?

59:28

First mistake right there. Right here. I don't

59:30

know, whoa, excuse me sir, excuse me. You said you wanted a second

59:32

mistake right there. So you're a pedophile trying to meet a 15 year

59:34

old, oh s***, I'm sorry it's not a boy, it's

59:42

a girl. Whoa. Yeah

59:45

you are. No I'm not sure. Wait.

59:49

You need to hear

59:51

on you. You need to hear on the clown. Alright,

59:56

here we go, here we go. Yeah,

1:00:01

yeah, I'm gonna say. What are you

1:00:03

doing? I'm like, we can't grab him. Yeah.

1:00:08

You can't grab him. You

1:00:10

can't do that. Let him go.

1:00:14

What are you guys doing? You tried

1:00:16

to be a 15 year old. So, again, really,

1:00:18

if, and I don't have all the evidence, and that's part

1:00:20

of the issue, but I'm going to as soon as this is true,

1:00:22

if this guy did this, of course, it's unbelievably scummy, and I hope

1:00:24

he gets his comeuppance. There were

1:00:27

some receipts missing, doesn't mean they don't exist. Potential

1:00:30

legal hurdles to overcome. False imprisonment

1:00:32

by not allowing him to leave. It's

1:00:35

possible, I'm saying, potential legal hurdles

1:00:37

to overcome. Possible, for

1:00:39

example, battery, because later saying you

1:00:41

can't touch him, will be a problem. And then, you know,

1:00:44

you can't touch him. You can't touch him. You

1:00:47

can't touch him. You already

1:00:49

did. Touch him at

1:00:51

the restaurant, blasting with powder. And

1:00:53

by the way, it's not lost on me that entertainment is a valuable

1:00:55

tool, and it should be used. I get it. Not

1:00:59

at the cost of what is required to accomplish

1:01:01

the goal. So, I don't know if the goal here

1:01:03

is to actually bring justice to pedophiles or if it's

1:01:05

clicks. Clicks

1:01:10

can serve as a valuable tool, pressure to draw

1:01:12

attention to the information. And then, them

1:01:14

have to face justice. But if you

1:01:16

take action in a way that actually may undercut

1:01:18

the goal, okay, you got clicks, but

1:01:21

he may walk. And

1:01:24

I think that's an important distinction to make because we really

1:01:26

work with some people here who do a lot of great work, and

1:01:29

it takes a lot of time. We

1:01:31

have things at the undercover unit they're working on right now. Months. Months.

1:01:35

Let me give you a couple of examples. Just

1:01:37

really quickly to understand the difference, and I want to

1:01:39

bring on the question here. Let me give

1:01:41

you a couple of examples. Just really quickly to understand the difference, and

1:01:43

I want to bring on the OG of

1:01:45

Predator Poachers, Alex Rosen. It's

1:01:47

the difference of, I use the gun example because

1:01:50

that was something, a big thing. YouTube was just, it was people,

1:01:53

it was just this proliferation of

1:01:55

anti-gun videos, assault weapons ban, videos

1:01:57

on gun statistics that were used in the past.

1:02:00

were incorrect, I thought, you know what, I

1:02:02

can use this platform to do top

1:02:04

five myths about assault weapons or top

1:02:06

five myths about the AR-15. The

1:02:08

clicks were effectively a representation

1:02:11

of people being educated which was the

1:02:13

goal and hopefully entertained. It's the difference

1:02:15

between proper strength training, for example, trying

1:02:18

to get people healthier, using social

1:02:20

media to actually provide tools. This

1:02:22

is how you lift. This is a good way

1:02:24

to eat. This is a routine that you can

1:02:27

get into versus steroids in a filter on

1:02:29

Instagram so that you can sell things

1:02:32

that you don't even use. If the

1:02:34

end goal is just look at me, you don't

1:02:36

tell people that you're taking steroids and you're adding

1:02:38

a filter and you're telling them it came from

1:02:40

some kind of green tea, now

1:02:42

you are simply pursuing clicks in the

1:02:44

name of clout rather than using these

1:02:47

platforms to provide people valuable tools. Comment

1:02:49

below. Does that make sense? I see

1:02:51

that as a huge shift and I've

1:02:53

experienced it here where

1:02:55

it can be difficult to get people to

1:02:57

go and watch the entire context of a

1:02:59

program and I do think that that matters.

1:03:01

Here to talk about this thing specifically and

1:03:03

what maybe has gone wrong, the OG

1:03:05

predator poacher, friend of the show,

1:03:07

Alex Rosen. Mr.

1:03:14

Rosen, before, hold on a second, I

1:03:16

want to let people know where to

1:03:18

find you. They can find you on

1:03:20

X at ifightforkids, Ppoachers Live and of

1:03:22

course on locals, predatorpoachers.com. Sorry,

1:03:26

predatorpoachers.locals.com. Alex,

1:03:28

thanks for being here brother. I appreciate it.

1:03:30

Yeah, thanks for having me on. Absolutely. I saw

1:03:32

you were saying something when the stinger came in.

1:03:35

Was there something that I missed? Please tell me.

1:03:37

Oh, no. I was just saying like, how's it

1:03:39

going? Oh, okay. I thought you were making fun

1:03:41

of one of our mothers which is also acceptable.

1:03:43

So, let me ask you this. What

1:03:45

was your first thought when you were

1:03:47

watching this video which has since gone viral? Well,

1:03:50

the first thought is I'm just glad that Hollywood

1:03:52

producer is exposed. I mean, we

1:03:54

all say that, oh, Hollywood's full

1:03:56

of pedos but I mean, clearly

1:03:58

there's something going on with that guy just

1:04:01

out in the open doing that but you

1:04:03

know kind of the thing with those

1:04:05

types of stings it was probably done the same

1:04:07

day like he was that that a lady was

1:04:09

probably texting him the same exact day they met

1:04:11

and I don't even know how much sexual talk

1:04:13

was in the messages at all like just saying

1:04:16

I just wanted to meet her and this and

1:04:18

that of course they never just want

1:04:20

to meet of course he wants more no guy

1:04:22

meets a lady off a dating app underage or

1:04:24

not to just meet but I

1:04:26

think in the messages there probably wasn't enough said

1:04:28

to get him arrested and that's just gonna make

1:04:30

him more careful the next time that's really gonna

1:04:33

make him not say anything sexual to the next

1:04:35

thing or whatever pops up next so

1:04:37

I think he's gonna walk free and that's the

1:04:39

unfortunate part about it but the good part is

1:04:41

everybody knows who he is now yes I do

1:04:43

think that's a great thing is for it to

1:04:45

be exposed but there would be a way to

1:04:47

do it properly for example the way that you

1:04:49

do it where you make a stick would in

1:04:52

other words if you were doing this would it

1:04:54

be give it a little more time so that

1:04:56

you have verifiable proof of messages that would stand

1:04:58

up in court and and do

1:05:00

your due diligence oh 100% agree

1:05:02

so I'll bring up this guy named Fred Hendricks who he caught if

1:05:04

you want to find that video on rumbles his predator poachers

1:05:07

Eugene's type it in the video will come up that

1:05:10

guy was a sex offender he was talking to

1:05:12

us for nine months would never get sexual with

1:05:14

us then finally to an eight-year-old girl he says

1:05:16

one sexual thing and it was enough and we

1:05:19

go and confirm about it he gets a three

1:05:21

year sentence but in that video where we're talking

1:05:23

to him he admits to molesting his niece and

1:05:25

he never got in trouble for that he went

1:05:28

to jail for molesting his daughter and now Maricopa

1:05:30

County in Phoenix has extradited him from Oregon to

1:05:32

Phoenix and they charged him with touching his niece

1:05:34

now because he said that to us on camera

1:05:37

so instead of getting three years in prison he's

1:05:39

facing the rest of his life now so it's

1:05:41

really important that you make sure the

1:05:43

video is good as well because if they could admit

1:05:45

to an array of crimes that would just not be

1:05:47

in the messages whether it's sexual or not right

1:05:50

do you see this as someone who's

1:05:52

been doing this for a long time do you

1:05:54

see this as a potential problem in the future

1:05:56

this proliferation as far as you know these people

1:05:58

now being more prudent because of lazy work

1:06:01

and making it harder to catch them.

1:06:03

Because honestly, I'm surprised that anyone texts

1:06:05

those things anymore, like on to

1:06:07

catch a predator. I'm like, you've seen the show. Yeah,

1:06:12

no, I think

1:06:15

there's gonna be so many pedos and

1:06:17

chomos regardless, but I will say, in

1:06:19

places like LA County where people versus

1:06:21

Preds and CCU have done great work

1:06:23

getting a lot of these people arrested,

1:06:25

LA County can now just group us

1:06:27

in with people like

1:06:29

Vitaly doing it not exactly the right way to

1:06:32

get them arrested. We've had that problem in places

1:06:34

like North Carolina where groups come in and they

1:06:36

just kinda screw it up, and then we get

1:06:38

a guy in North Carolina who admits to buying

1:06:40

child pornography of infants and toddlers and nothing happens

1:06:42

to him because they don't even wanna touch anything

1:06:45

with it now. So that's kinda what I worry

1:06:47

about with that. Do you think

1:06:49

there's a way to, of course,

1:06:51

correct that going forward? Because the work you do is very

1:06:53

important, and the reason it's so important is because unfortunately, our

1:06:56

members of law enforcement haven't seemed to make it

1:06:58

a priority that they need to, so it requires

1:07:00

people like you. I 100% agree. Yeah,

1:07:03

I mean, when we started doing this in 2019, I

1:07:05

mean, we were just screwing around to Walmart just shouting

1:07:07

at the pedos too. I mean, we definitely didn't come

1:07:10

into it doing it the correct way. So

1:07:12

I hope they do course correct, and I hope they

1:07:14

see the bigger picture. Like, if these people walk free,

1:07:17

they will go out and harm a child, and unfortunately,

1:07:19

it's happened. We have 11 arrests

1:07:22

in the state of Virginia on 12 catches, and

1:07:24

the 12th catch, they did not get arrested. They

1:07:27

decided to not charge him for whatever reason,

1:07:29

and he went to go rape a girl

1:07:31

in Idaho when he moved back there. So it's

1:07:34

important to get them arrested the first time. Yeah,

1:07:36

I can imagine. And we have that, by the way, we

1:07:39

have to deal with that on a different scale, but certainly,

1:07:41

actually no, with the undercover unit, for

1:07:43

example, the National Manifesto, Chippewa Falls, where we

1:07:45

know that it could get clicks if we

1:07:47

go out faster, if you

1:07:50

basically glorify it in a way that is less than

1:07:52

accurate, but sometimes the truth needs to be enough, and

1:07:54

the process needs to be included. There's no reason you

1:07:56

can't do both. Make it entertaining, and

1:07:58

also make... Sure

1:08:00

that the legal consequences are a

1:08:02

portion. Yeah, I mean it really quick I

1:08:05

Alex so do you think that the goal based

1:08:07

on what we saw was basically just exposure into

1:08:09

to be able to try to make it? I

1:08:12

don't know make it sting a little bit for this guy

1:08:14

But not necessarily get him put in jail because it seems

1:08:16

like they immediately started off by doing things that potentially could

1:08:19

give them legal troubles Yeah,

1:08:21

I don't think the intent of that

1:08:23

sting was to put that guy in jail I don't think

1:08:25

the intent of any of the stings that they do is to

1:08:27

put him in jail Like if you're shaving their eyebrows and stuff

1:08:29

like that Obviously you're doing it

1:08:31

with it with the knowledge that hey This guy's not gonna go

1:08:33

to jail and maybe they think it's gonna scare the pedo into

1:08:35

not doing it again But I can tell you if we're doing

1:08:37

this for five years They absolutely do it

1:08:39

again the amount of sex hunters that we've caught

1:08:42

that have just just been fresh out of prison

1:08:44

The amount of people that we've caught twice it

1:08:46

will even when they're on bail after they get

1:08:48

arrested by us the first time They will do

1:08:50

the shit again. So there's no teaching them a

1:08:52

lesson that doesn't exist. Is that why your shirt?

1:08:54

I can't see what the bottom would say but

1:08:56

dead pedophiles is it society? Dead

1:08:59

pedophiles cannot reoffend red You

1:09:05

know these guys are gonna go out and do it again

1:09:08

really quickly what and without getting being

1:09:10

explicit What do you need to see in the

1:09:12

communication to be able to have somebody get arrested

1:09:14

just in case these guys out there? Don't know

1:09:16

this and they're doing the you know

1:09:18

the pedophile stuff and they're doing these things But they're

1:09:21

not getting any actual arrest. Nothing is actually changing. What

1:09:23

do the cops need to see in those messages?

1:09:26

Well in California, for example If

1:09:29

that predator would have just sent a penis picture to who he thought

1:09:31

was a minor That would be enough to

1:09:33

charge him arranging to meet a minor under sexual

1:09:35

pretenses That would be enough to charge in every

1:09:37

state though meeting who he believed to be a

1:09:39

minor off the internet just under No

1:09:41

sexual pretenses expressed. That's not illegal in any

1:09:43

state. And I mean that's definitely an issue

1:09:45

but That's just the case. So they

1:09:48

would there definitely would need to be like a solicitation

1:09:50

of a sexual act it can't just be kissing it

1:09:52

has to be like Anything from a

1:09:54

hand job to all the way. So Right

1:09:57

as you might. Also a concern that I have is.

1:10:00

If we get into culture of know receipts provided

1:10:02

arm and a to take our word for things

1:10:04

then you could also slender people who aren't pedophiles.

1:10:07

Right now there was a public has use if

1:10:09

what if some guy saying I just came to

1:10:11

actually have pizza. Or with my niece

1:10:13

And actually all right it can all be

1:10:15

tossed into that same loss is with never

1:10:17

actually seen the the explicit material or at

1:10:19

least some verification of it. He

1:10:22

algebra said agree. I mean you could test and actual

1:10:24

patios and then throw in somebody have a personal vendetta

1:10:26

against nobody will tell the difference. right? And

1:10:29

that assuming that seen him and we've seen

1:10:31

that with said the me to air with

1:10:33

their actual monsters right Actual sexual deviants I

1:10:35

guess you determine then some people who just

1:10:37

had a bad date and that's why I

1:10:39

am always just little bit cautious. when Isis

1:10:41

and nobody hates pedophiles are more than I

1:10:43

do. I believe in the Russia you know

1:10:45

they were all pedophile should commit suicide by

1:10:47

stabbing themselves thirty six times in the back.

1:10:49

I set of policies of. I

1:10:52

know that we have gone our lights are so

1:10:54

I appreciate you are making the times on as

1:10:56

if anything else that you want to add or

1:10:58

what you're working on. And where people can can find you

1:11:00

and support you. but I prefer the inside. Yeah.

1:11:02

For sure. So we got a guy on the

1:11:04

west coast right now who. Ah,

1:11:06

I'm at my decoys whole. We set me up

1:11:08

a failure or mess. So Hannah, you're watching this.

1:11:11

As quietly as possible as I can say

1:11:13

or go after sell for this bus. Only

1:11:15

some I suppose as a dad have a

1:11:17

nine year old kid and we ever got

1:11:20

an arrest in Indiana cause of it he

1:11:22

was. He came into the hotel room or

1:11:24

he advised us into the hotel room, me

1:11:26

my de quoi daughter and and one of

1:11:28

our subscribers playing the wife and he on

1:11:30

the hot might said yeah molested my daughter

1:11:32

this in that and then we drop the

1:11:34

hammer on him. He got arrested for child

1:11:36

pornography and an attempt to child molestation. Joking

1:11:38

A wasn't a rumble Predator Poachers Marion M

1:11:40

A R I O N. but

1:11:42

so we have another guy similar situation i'm

1:11:44

playing his dad and a misguides presses or

1:11:47

that he's bi curious and then it so

1:11:49

much equal she's texting as be pretty much

1:11:51

sadness and say see saying that like all

1:11:53

bring lubricant and it spreads or sell me

1:11:55

to get my butt already so fake you

1:11:58

hannah for that Well,

1:12:01

let me ask you, there's no time

1:12:03

like the present. Is it ready? You

1:12:08

know, I've never been in that situation before, but

1:12:10

you know, I mean, I've never thought I'd lose my virginity

1:12:13

twice, but here we go. There you go. Hey,

1:12:15

look, sometimes you have to take

1:12:17

one for the team and you'll really make it stick after

1:12:19

he makes it stick. Or not stick. All

1:12:21

right. The best place for people to watch you?

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If you all want to go watch a video we just dropped right now.

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1:12:29

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1:12:31

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1:12:33

rest of his life in prison right now. Just

1:12:35

type in predator poachers on rumble. It's the latest

1:12:37

video. Go check that video out. He is a

1:12:39

scumbag. Yes, I agree

1:12:41

wholeheartedly. Mr. Alex Rosen,

1:12:43

the OG. We appreciate it, brother. Be well.

1:12:46

Yeah. Thank you all so much.

1:12:49

Take care. What a fun guy.

1:12:53

I hope he's ready. I love that

1:12:55

guy. Both guests today. The vague and Alex

1:12:57

Rosen. It was good. I love those guys. It

1:13:00

was a lot of fun and none of this of course happens without

1:13:02

you. That's kind of the theme today

1:13:04

is courage. Alex Rosen stepped out. Takes a lot

1:13:06

of courage. Takes a lot of work to do what

1:13:08

he does. Support him.

1:13:10

And the vague. Speaking on some things

1:13:12

that a lot of people are afraid to discuss. It is a

1:13:14

good question. Why do you think that very few other people in

1:13:17

the Republican Party, I think it's important to notice there's

1:13:19

a difference between that and people out there doing this

1:13:21

kind of work. I certainly wouldn't consider someone like an

1:13:23

Alex Rosen to be gutless.

1:13:25

Or anyone here in this room. But yeah,

1:13:28

there is a disconnect between what

1:13:30

we do and not only the RNC but a lot of

1:13:32

the conservative, I would even say media movement out there. It

1:13:34

does seem like they've been a little bit neutered. So we

1:13:36

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to say something there. Yeah, really quick before we go, we're

1:13:52

working on trying to get the day to be able to

1:13:54

do the spaces tonight to talk a little bit more about

1:13:56

the end culture thing with me and with Ginger

1:13:59

Snap. The see if we can kind of dive into

1:14:01

because I think. Thank. You guys have. One.

1:14:03

Of them better conversations about the stuff that

1:14:05

I've seen and more that needs to happen.

1:14:08

So. Var check us out on social media will see

1:14:10

as you more in junior our as you follow the

1:14:12

vague I think you'll probably be hosting if we do

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