The #Love4Real podcast is a Living Well Marriage production. This is real talk about our expectations of marriage versus the reality of it.

This podcast is for you if you need encouragement, inspiration & practical info to help you experience your happily ever after.

Hosted by Daniel & Kendra Tillman and Dennis & Angela Bullock

Marriage counseling isn't just for newlyweds and couples in crisis. It helps prevent and overcome dysfunction. It's a tool to strengthen a healthy relationship. This is the second episode in a series on normalizing marriage therapy as a tool for happy marriages. We will be interviewing therapists, counselors and coaches who specialize in helping couples relate to each other. In this episode we continue our discussion about how marriage counselors or other third party mediators help you and your spouse hear each other.

To Go or Not to Go to Therapy: What's at risk for couples? Is marriage counseling necessary and biblical? These are some of the questions we're asking our guest for this episode: Vickie Diemert.

Vicki is the director of counseling at Redemption Church in Mesa, Arizona and the author of When Help Heals.  She has been a biblically based counselor for over a decade and has a masters degree in counseling from the University of Minnesota with a degree in Family Social Sciences. Vickie began counseling classes from CCEF (Christian Counseling Education Foundation). The classes shifted her paradigm on how  she viewed and related to God and His Word. After finishing all 3 certificate levels, she decided to continue on and graduated from Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in 2015 with a Masters in Biblical Counseling.  She has been counseling and teaching and training ever since. You can hear Vicki exploring the dynamics of relationships from a biblical perspective with her co-hosts on the Talking to Humans podcast.

SYMBIS Saving Your Marriage Before It Starts (SYMBIS) is a comprehensive marriage program designed specifically for today's couples by a couple. First published in 1995, and continually revised and updated, SYMBIS has become the gold standard in marriage preparation.

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