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To the official podcast of the Love Times Two Project. Change the culture and

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the politics will follow. Hey, welcome back to the podcast. Today is part two of a very important discussion

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on a 2024 poll that really gives us some deep insights into where the culture

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is going on the abortion issue.

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Thanks for tuning in and let's dive right on into part two of this discussion.

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Now, when we move forward to another part of this poll, and we look at whether

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the respondents to this feel that tax dollars should be used to support abortion in the United States.

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What we find here is that gap is narrowing down significantly.

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In 2015, for example, 68% of respondents to this poll strongly opposed using

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tax dollars to support abortion, 28% supported. That's a 40% gap.

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Fast forward to 2024, and only 53% oppose and 46% support using tax dollars to pay for abortion.

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That's gone from a 40-point gap in 2015.

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In nine years, that's dropped to a seven-point gap in the whole question of

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whether or not tax dollars should support abortion.

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So again, it should be very alarming that we're seeing that type of trending that's happening.

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Now, this polling also asks, Ask, would you support or oppose or strongly oppose

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using tax dollars to support abortions in other countries?

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So this is really all this is always interesting to me. This is a really interesting question.

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Now, in 2017, 83% opposed using tax dollars to support abortions in other country, 14% supported.

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There was a 69 point gap between those two positions.

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This should be alarming to us. Again, another alarming stat from this poll that's

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plunged down to 67 percent opposed, but now 30 percent support.

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That's only a 37 point gap. So the difference between those who would oppose or support using our tax dollars

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to pay for abortions overseas, that gap is narrowing as well.

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Well. So what's the trend here? You see these gaps narrowing everywhere on the question of abortion,

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and that's not a positive cultural trend. There's no way you can slice it to make it look positive, just to be honest with you.

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So this is very troubling. And actually, I applaud this Marist poll for just

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being brutally honest with the data that it's seeing here, which is another

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reason why you can trust the integrity of this poll.

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I mean, if this were a poll they didn't want you to see, you would never see

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these numbers. But it's very, very troubling. And I would also say that there's.

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There's a high level of hypocrisy, let's just face it, that Americans,

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by a much larger percentage, don't want abortion tax dollars to be used to support

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abortion overseas, but a smaller percentage opposes it using those tax dollars at home.

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So I'm sure there's a fiscal equation to that, but whatever it might be,

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there's a big difference between using those tax dollars here or using those tax dollars overseas.

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So the next issue that's being addressed here is the issue of conscience objections

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to performing And the question is, do you think doctors, nurses or other health

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care professionals who have religious objections to abortion,

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but practice where abortion is legal should be or should or should not be legally

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required? Let's interject. I mean, that's the way to ask the question. I would say forced to perform abortion.

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So 66% said that they should not be forced to be participants in an abortion.

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33% of respondents said they should be forced to participate in an abortion.

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Now, is it just me, or do you find that really stunning and unsettling that

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one-third of Americans responding to this poll say that health care workers,

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talking to you, doctors, nurses,

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other health care professionals, 33% of Americans believe you as a health care

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worker should be forced against your conscience to participate in taking a human life?

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I personally find that really staggering. green. Now, when we look at this,

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it's important to note that in 2022, the numbers were even worse because in

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2022, actually in June of 2022, what happened in June of 2022?

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It was the Dobbs decision out of Mississippi that overturned Roe versus Wade.

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At that point in time, 53% said it should not be required, but 41% said it should be required.

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53 to 41 in 2022 has improved the 66 to to 33 in 2024.

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Now, just how do we filter that? How do we look at that and make sense of that

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shift just in two years period of time?

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Well, again, you have to remember what is the cataclysmic news in 2022.

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It was the reversal of Roe versus Wade, which led to media hysteria that there

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would not be any type of general health care service available.

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And I say health care service because that is how the culture shifted dramatically

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from abortion being known as

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the killing of a human life to becoming reproductive, quote, health care.

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So that whole health care attack that came in the wake of the Dobbs decision

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moved a lot of people to think, well, sure, women should be allowed to have health care.

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So we should force doctors to provide, quote, health care.

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The shine on that apple has worn off since 2022, clearly from this poll.

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But again, we'll just leave this by saying it's still disturbing.

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That you have one-third of Americans apparently wanting to force doctors and

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nurses to participate in the taking of a human life.

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Now we're going to move on to what this poll calls medication abortions,

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and I call it chemical abortions quite often.

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Different terms are used interchangeably for it, the abortion pill, so forth.

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The question was, do you think someone that's receiving a prescription for an

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abortion pill, should an in-person visit be required, or should they be be allowed

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just to receive it without an in-person visit.

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In this poll, it shows 61% of Americans believe it should be required.

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38% said that it should not be required.

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This is a huge issue that we'll have to really keep a close eye on.

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I'm sure the Marist poll will as we go forward, especially with the rise of

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chemical abortifacients, the mail order,

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both from legal and illegal sources, and in some of the changes that are happening

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in federal policy on abortion drugs Now, this next question deals with Down syndrome.

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Do you strongly support, oppose, or strongly oppose abortion because the child

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will be born with Down syndrome?

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You want to have something in this poll that breaks your heart.

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This is it right here. In 2024, in this new poll, 58% oppose aborting a baby

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solely because of Down syndrome, but 39% support that. That's an 18-point gap.

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It's down from a 47% gap just as recently as 2021.

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In 2021, 69% of respondents to this poll opposed aborting a baby solely because

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that baby has Down syndrome compared to 22% who supported it.

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That has now dropped to only 58% opposing while those who would support it.

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Abortion of a baby for no other reason than that the baby has Down syndrome

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has risen to 39%. Very disturbing data that we see there.

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Next question was asked on the abortion on the basis of gender or sex.

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Do you support or oppose an abortion solely because of the child's gender or sex? Very interesting.

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Remember, we just talked about Down syndrome, 58% opposed targeting a baby because of Down syndrome.

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But when you move to gender or sex, now 86% oppose.

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Well, what's the difference between 58% who would oppose a Down syndrome targeted

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abortion versus 86% who would oppose a sex selection abortion?

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Well, there's a whole lot of stuff we could say about that.

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But I think one of the heartbreaking things on this, again, is to say the increased

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lack of perceived value of a baby with Down syndrome.

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We should be alarmed that this compassion for children with Down syndrome is

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seemingly drifting away. That's what we have when we look at the sex selection question on this.

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And then we had a question here towards the end on this Marist poll.

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Do you support or oppose pregnancy resource centers, which are places that do

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not perform abortions, but instead offer support to people during their pregnancy

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and after the baby is born?

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83% support pregnancy resource centers. Hey, that's great. Here's what troubles me.

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Who are these 16% that would oppose a center because they support women and babies?

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Well, we know why. I mean, that's a rhetorical question.

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You know that. The answer is that these 16% who oppose these pregnancy resource

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centers, they oppose them because these centers that are referenced here do

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not refer to or do abortions at their centers.

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How sad is that, that 16% of respondents are so entrenched in an abortion ideology

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that they would oppose a center that reaches out and provides resources and

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assistance to moms and babies at most times at no cost to them as well.

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Hey, we're going to wrap it up by looking at this last big question.

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And I think this is the big question that are the polling point,

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I guess we could say, that we can take great encouragement from.

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Really, this deals with core mission of what we've always talked about with

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Love Times 2, and that is loving and caring for every mom and every baby, no matter what.

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The poll asked, which statement comes closer to your view?

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It is possible to have laws which protect both the health and well-being of

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a woman and the life of the unborn child.

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Or it is necessary for laws to choose to protect one and not the other.

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So you see what they're saying here. Can we, as a culture, as a society, can we actually come together and have a

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law that really protects and shows compassion for pregnant moms and protects unborn babies?

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Or does it have to be abortion unrestricted any reason or abortion restricted

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for six months or whatever, all those other things? Does it have to be one or the other?

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Or can we actually protect both? both? Can we love them both?

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Can we show love times two for moms and babies?

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Here's the great news. And I hope you're encouraged by this,

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even though you're probably discouraged by a lot of these other stats.

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The good news is 86% of respondents said, yes, laws can protect both the pregnant mother and the baby.

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And only 13% said, no, laws must choose between one or the other.

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And the fascinating thing about this is this is the one question on this entire

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poll poll that, at least from my first few go-rounds through this and looking at the charts,

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when we look at the trending on everything as it's been asked about the abortion

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issue by the Marist poll going way back to 2009,

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maybe even prior to that, but 2009 is the most recent that they asked this question,

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this has remained almost consistent throughout the entire time that they've done this poll.

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Consistently, 80% plus of those who have responded to this poll,

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dipped a little bit in the upper 70s, but for the most part, 80% plus since 2009,

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even to January of 2024, agree that we can find laws that provide care and compassion

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for pregnant mothers and at the same time protect the life of unborn children.

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So the question that we have to address is how do we get there?

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Because the culture will still support it. That's what this is saying.

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The culture will still support it. The abortion issue is presented in black

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and white, us versus them, liberal versus conservative, whatever.

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We draw all these lines, but this one question peels back the layers and it

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shows the possibility of the path forward of loving every mom and every baby,

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including every unborn baby, no matter what.

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But that is the future that we have to work towards.

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