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tragedy and when we talked about buffalo

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you know just an episode or two ago we talked

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about how these are becoming all too

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common these tragedies and it's so tough

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and so frustrating to both acknowledge

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the sanctity of human life and and

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how horrible these things are while also knowing

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that we're going to continue to have this conversation

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if we don't do something about gun reform

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originally in washington and around

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the country in our states and we're going to put

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Robbie. What are we talking trash about this

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week? I think, for the first time in a while, not talking

3:13

about Madison cawthorn. We

3:15

could do, he did, give us something to talk talk I'm

3:18

going to find a way to to make this about

3:20

Madison cawthorn. So

3:22

just bear with me here, but I

3:24

i we're going to start with Donald

3:26

J. Trump senior and

3:29

he has this website called true social,

3:31

which is just going to Twitter competitor. And

3:34

he retweeted something

3:36

that made the news recently. And I we're

3:38

to use this as an opportunity opportunity is talk about this social

3:40

platform. So, there was somebody tweeted

3:43

on his platform. The most powerful

3:45

country in the world falling so fast that

3:47

it makes you rethink. What are the real

3:49

reasons, something.

3:50

So big and powerful can't be destroyed so

3:52

quickly unless the enemy comes from within,

3:54

and then somebody retweeted that saying

3:57

Civil War and then Trump retweeted

3:59

that. So trump is retreating

4:01

stuff on his social platform about

4:03

a civil war what

4:06

do we make this and saucers to give us an opportunity

4:08

to revisit how to social

4:10

do in general

4:11

the i read an article that said this

4:14

is part of the reason that it went from being the number

4:16

one downloaded apps on apple two

4:18

i think lights costed number two

4:20

hundred is that there was i guess a

4:22

three week waiting period to get your account

4:25

and then the guy who wrote about this and got

4:27

his account and and got on three weeks later said

4:29

it was a little bit ghost town as make

4:32

some of the most prominent conservative or not they're

4:34

like tucker carlson is not on their

4:36

been shapiro's not on there and

4:38

there's a lot of bots which

4:41

like you know you kind

4:43

of would expect every because you

4:45

don't just go out apparently and create a social

4:47

media platform currently it's hard to do

4:49

the app is what they're finding and

4:51

it's interesting that like been shapiro

4:54

and tucker carlson are treating it like

4:56

people treat like a new apple products like

4:58

when the apple watch came out and he were like i think

5:01

i'll wait for two point oh like

5:03

that seems to be how people are approaching

5:05

through social so we shouldn't underestimate

5:08

it but i do think it's ok to

5:10

sort of enjoy the fact that it is at

5:12

the moment appears to be a little bit of trump

5:14

just screaming into the void yeah and

5:17

maybe trying to draw more people there by be and

5:19

they and they got some crazy

5:21

stuff a minute talk about civil war

5:24

and while i think like is retreating

5:26

are quote tweet of like a south american

5:28

dictator i believe so his own ah

5:31

yes so it's it's

5:33

kind of what you would expect yeah what

5:35

i do think it is encouraging

5:38

i guess that not a lot of people have been

5:40

like okay on when are under this it also made

5:42

me think about how like the

5:44

idea of trump coming back to twitter and

5:46

that kind of thing i'd since has been bandied about

5:48

recently seen what he shares

5:50

and what he tweets untrue social is

5:52

social reminder to me of would have relief

5:55

it was when was when no longer allowed

5:57

on twitter or facebook and how that his

6:00

games in a significant way

6:02

the discourse of the country we don't

6:04

have to constantly talk about the awful thing that

6:06

he just said yeah i'm i'm of

6:08

two minds of this i agree that it's it's encouraging

6:11

that this hasn't done super well but it's also

6:14

early enough that trump has been

6:16

has you never count this guy out you know and

6:18

i think he

6:19

could be doing his rallies in the lead up to the twenty

6:21

twenty election time people applaud their phones

6:24

and download this thing i think it you

6:27

, he could resurrect the saying it certainly doesn't

6:29

look great right now it is actually reminds me

6:31

though of there's another social

6:33

media platform has been in the news we didn't i wasn't

6:35

planned ask you about this but why not a sudden

6:37

trash last week you on musk

6:40

tweeted something in the middle of the week about

6:42

how he's now only voting republican

6:45

and it he had previously been saying

6:47

you know he's kind of a moderate and the party shifted

6:50

the democrats shifted more to the last and i

6:52

think you can accounting himself as like a

6:54

kind of an eclectic figure sick

6:56

man this sick man timing and then eat when

6:59

he tweeted that out he said something like democratic

7:01

hatchet men or whatever gonna be coming after

7:03

me i might have as part of my brain which

7:05

probably your brain went through to which is doesn't

7:07

feel accidental and it wasn't the

7:09

next day i think it came out there

7:12

few years ago he had settled

7:14

acclaim from somebody

7:16

who is a board one of his private chats i think

7:18

was a misuse who claimed that he made

7:21

unwanted sexual advances in any paid

7:23

out a two hundred fifty thousand dollars settlement

7:25

there so it seems he must have been contacted

7:27

by this reporter and was like my

7:29

move here is going to be to

7:31

say i'm a republican and

7:34

it's such an interesting choice it's

7:37

first decision was to declare for the

7:39

republican party when faced with the sexual

7:42

impropriety claim

7:43

yeah when i wonder is was it like i'm

7:45

going to make it seem as if this is why

7:47

this accusation came out because

7:50

the other option is he's just going well i guess

7:52

i'm a republican now because that's the party

7:54

that won't turn on me for this

7:56

rented this is okay yes sir

7:58

i guess it could be a little bit of both know

8:00

what i think it points to is the

8:02

sort of approach of

8:05

the right at the moment is really

8:07

what are you against or more who's

8:09

against you right yes it's not

8:11

like what are you for it's who's

8:13

against you and to be fair like

8:15

there's an element of this on both sides of our politics

8:18

unfortunately right now but it it does seem like

8:20

everybody is defined by who opposes

8:22

them which is why you see us constantly

8:25

worrying about people retreating to

8:27

the right and even though they don't assume agree with

8:29

them on policy but because they feel

8:31

like

8:32

they're being opposed whether it's so for instance their

8:34

entire strategy across the country like with the

8:36

average voter we talked about this is let's

8:39

make white men feel like they're not welcome

8:41

in the democratic party in the democratic party as enlightened

8:43

this with the right argues so therefore they

8:45

must be republicans even if they like agree

8:47

with the democrats on everything was do the

8:49

same thing with people who don't live

8:51

in cities so that's their move

8:53

and so i guess that's what they're trying to do with

8:56

notable figures like musk to my and

8:58

it's working yeah somebody tweeted

9:00

something to the effect as you know the democratic

9:02

party so powerful that they are you not

9:04

gotten a time machine and for see you in

9:07

twenty eighteen to sign a settlement

9:09

with this person like as if the democratic party

9:11

had anything to do with this

9:13

incident on a plane out know what happened on

9:15

his plane and the reporting around it

9:18

is like a second person accounts

9:20

as a friend that's speaking on that

9:22

person's be asked i think you're so much to be learned

9:25

about this i don't i don't want to get out in front of the facts

9:27

but it so notable that the he

9:29

feels like the republican party is the place you

9:31

go when you're faced with something like this and

9:33

in part because they're the party like you saw the way

9:35

they handle with trump right and the multiple claims

9:37

against him that's the place you go if you

9:39

want people have your back

9:41

the so i'm a pretty substantial

9:43

move for a person who is

9:45

trying to acquire what is your

9:47

social media but is basically one

9:50

of the most powerful media companies

9:52

in a world right like he's in the process

9:54

of trying to become the owner of twitter and

9:57

you would think with that and he is pretty

9:59

well try to position himself as this

10:02

it like put himself in a place

10:04

where he's was to be this new for arbiter

10:06

right like us his whole thing like i

10:08

want to get rid of the bots which he claims

10:10

are are rampant and and i want to just have

10:13

a free speech approach where we just let anybody

10:15

it's so i don't think he

10:17

planned for part of that roll out

10:19

for part of the messing messaging to be i'm

10:21

now going to declare which political party

10:23

i'm a member of my it's debt that was

10:25

not in the plans for this

10:28

period and it goes to show you how

10:31

personality driven so much of the stuff is

10:33

this is a guy who up until now had

10:35

dedicated his life to fighting climate

10:37

change by creating

10:40

electric cars were and now he's like

10:42

a i'm with the party that opposes

10:45

that it every step and then went on favour brought

10:47

that up he was like well this administration

10:50

hasn't really been very good to tesla

10:52

it's like a double thing i did like one i don't

10:54

like the way i've been treated by the left to my

10:57

excuse for abandoning the cause

10:59

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i think a lot of this is that are trying to personalize

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monsieur for the average voter yeah and nevermind

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well let's bring it back to madison carter

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and i promise you this connection here is so you're

13:54

trump is tweeting this civil

13:56

war stuff rape or costs

13:58

or and lost his election as we've covered i

14:01

accept all the apologies from everybody

14:03

who went your way in that debate

14:05

we won't go over it but day he

14:07

said after the election he said quote i'm on a mission

14:09

now to expose those who say and promise

14:12

one thing and yet legislate and work

14:14

towards another self profiteering

14:16

global a school it's time

14:19

for the rise of the new right it's time

14:21

for dark mega to truly take

14:23

command and i mention this because

14:25

the seems related to the civil war stuff like

14:27

this dark mega what do you think

14:29

he means by this and i

14:32

think weber said it last week that we

14:34

weren't during the last of best and costs

14:36

are in that person's crack we still have

14:38

a mineralize

14:39

he appears to be coining a terms

14:42

yeah which is notable and

14:44

like a super scary one i mean

14:46

like day this is like some

14:48

sith lord type stuff the

14:50

i don't know dark maga means like really really

14:53

awful and pernicious maga or if

14:55

it means like out in like in

14:57

the shadows my are both the

14:59

you know is is at the same time are so i gave

15:02

his mapping out his path to remain politically

15:05

relevant yeah yeah

15:08

like a i think it's worth watching

15:10

a we could guess like what is dark

15:12

margaret i mean it's like it's not in the

15:14

basement it's like in a sub level

15:16

basement it's like one level down route

15:19

i'm not sure

15:21

this is the i think that they're you're starting

15:23

to see with both trump's civil war

15:25

tweet and this comment by costs

15:27

or and if we talk to enough people

15:29

who are like on the sort of intellectual

15:32

like pseudo intellectual friends of

15:34

the republican party which is not so friends anymore

15:36

of the said if trump wins you're

15:39

my dad is always like keeping tabs on

15:41

these ideas for years from him a lot there's

15:43

this guy named michael and time who wrote

15:45

an essay before the twenty sixteen election and

15:47

he made it in a a metaphor the flight

15:49

ninety three metaphor that i think is

15:52

very popular on the right which essentially what

15:54

he was saying where were the choices seamlessness

15:56

like we as a country are

15:58

the equivalent of the path and years on

16:00

flight ninety three which is the flight that was

16:02

headed i think for the white house and then the passengers

16:05

in a rush of control the plane and and one

16:07

up going down before it reached by us any same

16:09

we need to do storm the cockpit

16:11

and russell control from the liberals are destroying

16:14

society said so any basis saying any

16:16

means necessary to wrestle control a cop

16:18

is what he was saying as trump as imperfect

16:20

a vessel as years and our methods

16:23

as imperfect as they are they're justified

16:26

in the name of this larger cause which is to take

16:28

our country back right and i think that

16:30

kind of thinking is becoming more and more mainstream

16:33

on the right like this idea that any means

16:35

necessary are ,

16:38

and we're seeing it all across the board

16:40

like near time said a great this is a

16:42

execute good segue into the news of the week which

16:44

is there's like a million different

16:47

things going on at once that are all part of the same

16:49

stories new york times had york times about how

16:51

this all this activity happening in the state legislatures

16:54

around the country to decertify

16:57

the election results from twenty twenty

16:59

prepare to steal the election moving

17:01

forward make it harder for people

17:03

to vote etc and just how

17:06

close we got to catastrophe before and

17:08

how poorly set up we are moving

17:10

forward but then we also had to pennsylvania results

17:12

were dug mass yeah no one last

17:15

week and he's you know somebody who is

17:17

a big proponent of the big lie was at

17:19

ten years sex and is

17:21

the of the person who would be a pointing the secretary of state

17:24

in pennsylvania to patrol the elections

17:26

uses explicitly about

17:28

ceiling the election future the

17:30

role within candidate for governor in pennsylvania aren't

17:33

to me this you know for all

17:35

the talk about madison draw thorns you know

17:37

to me that the story of the week is doug mascherano

17:40

he is a known election deny are gradually

17:42

it sounded the stop the steel rally on january

17:44

six he was pictured up on the capitol

17:47

grounds that day he's openly

17:49

talked about how he plans to handle all

17:51

the twenty twenty four election was watch

17:54

the governor i i get the point

17:56

the secretary state and i have

17:58

a voting reform minded ignore

18:00

it is that been traveling the nation and

18:02

as voting for extremely well individual

18:04

has agreed to be my secretary state i'm going to have

18:06

a force a team around that individual that

18:09

that's a really good i'm voting reform or

18:11

as governor i get to decertify any

18:13

or all the scenes in the state law beasley i have

18:16

my eyes on that several the counties that had machines

18:18

that i believe it or compromise

18:20

you have all that going on and then you have

18:22

conservatives continuing to flirt with

18:25

the of the hungarian leader viktor orban

18:27

which i know you been fascinated by

18:29

feedback has made it's way to europe

18:31

for the very first time the conservative conference

18:34

is underway in hungary partnering with

18:36

a government that many people feel as backsliding

18:38

on democracy the country's president viktor

18:41

orban is included as a seat or

18:43

speaker in his speech he pushed

18:45

for conservative take over so cbs

18:47

news correspondent adamant yeah because he is

18:49

in hungary on reporting trophies

18:51

also the of one of the few western

18:53

journalists will gain access to the conference

18:56

on t describe with the seems like for their and who's

18:58

in attendance yeah

19:00

so you know it's really interesting seen as

19:02

i as i walked through the halls with a conference

19:04

i i hear mostly hungarian been spoken

19:06

it's and every now and again and your that distinct

19:08

american accented english and in talking

19:11

to these attendance as you like i could

19:13

be at any conservative gathering in

19:15

the us because to talk is all

19:17

about of genders yard see

19:20

castle culture are being censored

19:22

onset platforms and of course the

19:24

elite liberal media faces as decide

19:27

you have an ill liberal democracies seems to

19:29

be a fantasy of republicans

19:31

i don't even know what my question is other than like how

19:33

freaked out are you about this and what we do

19:36

though i think this two things happening

19:38

simultaneously that are scary the

19:41

first thing is what we've we've mentioned this before

19:43

that there's an international a struggle

19:46

going on between authoritarianism

19:48

and democracy rights and

19:50

is playing out in places like hungary it's why

19:53

don't more see pack went to hungary

19:55

and did a bunch of anti semitic

19:57

stuff for new supposedly for

19:59

republic or bribes so to speak

20:01

but it's really just hey we're part of the

20:03

far right movement internationally and this is

20:05

a place where this far right authoritarian movement

20:07

has taken hold though

20:09

that's the first pieces like what's going on

20:11

in america was not started by trump it was

20:14

not started by sarah palin

20:16

ernie that it is the exact

20:18

same thing happening around the world which

20:20

is there's a struggle for between authoritarianism

20:22

and democracy and this is our version of

20:24

it that's the first thing but the second thing which

20:26

is making it worse and and making

20:28

it happen faster here is the

20:30

existence of of gerrymandering and the

20:32

way that our elections are done because we basically

20:35

have to separate politics

20:37

going on in this country right it's not just

20:39

two parties we have a competition

20:41

to lead the republican party and a competition

20:43

to lead the democratic party and when you have severe

20:46

gerrymandering like we have it both and state

20:48

legislatures and in congress you

20:50

have a system it really doesn't

20:53

cause these two parties after fight

20:55

one another very often all it be like

20:57

if there was only a world

20:59

series every four years and

21:02

most years you just had a champion of the american

21:04

league in a champion of the national league and the never played each

21:06

other rights that's what's going on in american

21:09

politics and so you have this

21:11

movement sweeping across the world and

21:13

then same time in america you're very little

21:15

incentive to do anything but train get as far

21:17

to the right or as far to the left as possible

21:20

mostly as far to the rights and

21:22

so that's why like this part

21:24

of this conversation started with madison caught

21:26

earns reaction of losing his primary biggest

21:28

remember when he goes to dark

21:31

mega has to rise that's because

21:33

he just lost a primary and his

21:35

instinct is how much further right

21:37

can i go so when we look at what's going on

21:40

in state legislatures with

21:42

people embracing the big lie and i guarantee

21:44

you it is a lot of people who don't truly

21:46

believe the big i they feel that they have

21:48

to because tonight that's what politics is

21:50

it's how do you get to the top of this right wing

21:53

extravaganza and that's super dangerous

21:55

i just saw news this morning that as as

21:57

democratic super pac already dropping six

21:59

million

22:00

his rate of ads against mess around or so

22:02

it looks like people are taking this seriously

22:04

and we're going to quickly get overwhelmed

22:07

by the amount of mascherano like figures

22:09

you emerged from these primaries and i think my

22:12

advice the audiences pick a couple states

22:14

they have as much as you can say candidates

22:16

for me like this is the number one issue

22:18

is like when i'm rank ordering like

22:21

candidates i'm most concerned about it's people who

22:23

have anything to do with elections are

22:25

the people i'm people i'm

22:28

my time and money for and that's right

22:30

mess around was really concerning yell resort

22:32

about a swing states that was razor

22:34

thin you would have knowledge the legislative

22:36

control that a governor has but also the electoral

22:38

control that's about as important

22:41

race as any in this country

22:43

just to give people an idea of mistakes just

22:45

shapiro the attorney general who's the democratic

22:48

candidate for governor there who would if he wins

22:50

obviously appointed secretary of state has

22:52

committed to appoint somebody who is promoting rights

22:55

but like just give me an idea like the currents

22:57

interim secretary of state appointed

22:59

in pennsylvania right now is lee

23:02

chapman who is an alum

23:04

of let america vote and was when america votes policy

23:06

director so i that's the level of swing

23:09

you can go from you can go from a secretary of

23:11

state's who was policy director for

23:13

let america vote to whatever

23:16

the heck must around or would or

23:18

would which would be the policy

23:20

director for never let america vote

23:22

i guess

23:23

well i think it's worth mentioning also that they

23:25

are reaping what they sewed on the right

23:27

right now another race that has been called

23:29

yet as of this recording is doctor

23:31

oz vs mccormick in

23:34

pennsylvania trump is urging eyes

23:36

to declare victory this is true

23:39

quote he says it makes it much harder for them

23:41

to cheat with about that they just happened

23:43

to find so essentially what we're starting to see

23:45

and we i think we had talked about this while

23:47

ago that when you start do

23:49

a good amazing elections essential

23:51

going to play out and democrats versus republicans

23:54

races is gonna happen and republican presumably

23:56

races and when neither of you take seriously

23:58

the franchise chaos is gonna

24:00

ensue you have mccormick

24:03

now and situation of know i'm a proponent

24:05

of the big lie a big sub theory

24:07

of which is that absentee ballots and

24:09

vote by mail or somehow illegitimate now he's

24:11

asking for those votes to be counted

24:14

the little bit of justice but also like kind

24:16

of concerning lettuces gonna be pretty standard

24:18

now where these people

24:21

don't accept the results of election whoever is losing

24:24

is gonna line whoever is slightly

24:26

ahead on election day just i declare

24:28

victory and said if anything happens after election

24:30

day is illegitimate this is illegitimate playbook

24:33

as gonna get worse and worse and worse these

24:35

deny er zur actually in the position of counting

24:37

the votes as well tell something

24:40

fresh look for to you know

24:42

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well let's get to voicemail

26:47

a friend ravi this might

26:49

not going to say my friends as people might

26:51

figure out who i am but i'm a small

26:54

town the size town bank manager

26:57

and , how

26:59

i should address address situation

27:01

for some for when pilot

27:05

fifty five house or flat guy there

27:09

are paid very little they hate recovered

27:11

and plan is to be further

27:13

from the first and , don't know what

27:15

the fate of these people when they want to in my

27:17

cubicle and start spewing their their

27:20

news right wing right and

27:23

i've done everything i can get a pride flag

27:25

on my desk is black lives matter sticker

27:27

on my car see seeking get a clue but

27:29

they don't some just wonder if

27:31

maybe you guys are some sage advice on

27:34

how i might the factory

27:36

people in try to bring him around my point

27:38

the topic of our cats

27:41

from an undisclosed location jason

27:45

props to make from combinator witness

27:47

protection as this question i don't my

27:49

instincts is that this is a superpower

27:52

make you have a as the like and

27:54

and so i think but i think might realize he

27:56

i think he is an inkling that that might be the case and he's

27:58

like so how do i dude

28:01

the what are your thoughts i don't know if he needs

28:03

to come out heidi i don't know exactly what these people are telling

28:05

him so i don't wanna and

28:07

anyway in doors

28:09

him validating

28:12

hateful ideas side

28:14

or put that us like the sort of

28:16

engagement with those kind of ideas with like

28:18

which party your and i would say like

28:21

for your business is sake sometimes it's good

28:23

for people not to know what your party is

28:26

so i'll try to shut down any

28:28

discussion of stuff you don't

28:30

wanna validate without necessarily

28:33

having any be know what your party as unless

28:35

you feel like you have a sufficient base of democrats

28:37

were you're running you're business that you could survive

28:40

off of that but i yeah maybe i'm just conservative

28:42

on that just cause you you don't wanna like

28:45

we don't want to create a partisan litmus test for your business

28:48

i recommend i disagree and i think it's i think

28:50

mike is can do is to say how do i

28:52

yam use this is an adversary and

28:55

anna and perhaps that's perhaps little bit

28:57

of a result of sounds like mike

28:59

is the bank manager but not the bank owners

29:02

bank sneaky have to like stay at

29:04

i have appeared to be in this position where

29:06

my be of the when some people over and i

29:08

guess i agree like it if

29:11

it if say things that i'd hate for that

29:13

are racist or you know intolerance

29:15

a guy i think you know you should have a zero tolerance

29:17

for that and and in this kind

29:20

away as possible point out of them that you don't

29:22

like that but if they are just saying

29:24

some things like

29:25

building a rapport with you like i think maybe

29:27

you can a let the first couple of pictures

29:29

go by so you can build that report

29:32

and then you know i would kind of kindly

29:34

and i wouldn't even talk about democrat and republican

29:36

like if you're sitting there i'm i'm guessing like if you're

29:38

at a bank and if you're talking about

29:40

the things that people across the desk from a bank manager

29:43

and a banker going to talk about perhaps they're talking about

29:45

taxes or gas prices are you know economic

29:47

stuff inflation maybe to hang

29:49

back a second and then gradually

29:51

introduce alternative ideas

29:54

and alternative theories you know and and

29:56

see what happened see wetlands and

29:58

would test some things out the other thing

30:00

is if you've established a relationship with them i

30:02

would neither stage be and of your counter

30:05

with it i'd be i'd yeah actually you know

30:07

i don't agree i mean i'm a i'm a democrat and

30:09

then on agree and then it but i say hey but you know

30:11

i really appreciate your and be nice about it yeah

30:13

like sometimes the most important thing in a smaller town

30:16

has to be i actually and me this

30:18

person you trust and have been doing business with

30:20

and saying across him for a long time

30:22

i vote this other way

30:24

yeah i'm i guess i'm more conservative

30:26

on this in the sunset also don't know

30:28

this position of the bank gray is

30:30

this a local bag national chain et cetera

30:32

with the policy is i'm always worried about people getting

30:34

fired for this kind of stuff and maybe it's the educator

30:37

and me is so many of our listeners

30:39

think they know this context that in the educational

30:41

setting like letting your politics

30:44

our in this environment in a small town

30:46

have a conservative environment could be career

30:48

suicide sometimes so i

30:50

just like i like our listeners to stay employed

30:53

and persuasive at the same time where

30:55

i'd are just make to make that judgment call the

30:57

i you're right he wants to so i

30:59

shouldn't stop

31:01

did you get the discretion to rewrite guy

31:03

i'm not telling you where i'm from but he

31:05

also says like it irritates make the people look

31:07

at him at think he's a republican so what

31:10

are some fun things that might could do

31:12

to avoid that i mean you could grow your hair out but

31:14

he my i'm not sure that that would do i would say

31:16

like get a tattoo but again i anymore

31:18

i'm not sure that that that and do it

31:21

the a kid rock is a republican and

31:23

he has tattoos and long hair and right

31:26

right so i mean i think i figure

31:29

at the point where your you you

31:31

have to make decisions about my political flair

31:33

like every everywhere and stickers on our

31:35

person you know i mean you can always just

31:37

go with i got biden

31:39

that you get a majority fifty four said

31:41

yes the prague one of the progress once

31:43

yeah because they're so that's kind of people are like an

31:45

ally progress and then they're like oh i know

31:47

mike mike reiss progress right

31:52

hey iranians a sense decision as

31:54

a calling from falling city utah i'm

31:57

calling because my republican partner

32:00

the conversations he on the i'm afraid about fear

32:02

teach it was very inquisitive

32:05

is very civil and i hung

32:07

up thinking he says me to call him

32:09

majority fifty four and my sisters

32:11

this i am in my thirties and

32:14

, this day i have never been able to figure out my father

32:16

he is a total and make that he

32:19

voted his first election in nineteen seventy

32:21

two when he voted for richard nixon i

32:24

don't think he's ever voted for a democrat since

32:26

or less in the lesson for that matter matter

32:29

on the flip side of that the to facets

32:31

of his identity that he clings to

32:33

most ardently or that he's that massive

32:35

deadhead and he would be very proud

32:38

the man everyday of his career i'm

32:40

proud he says he's

32:42

a different animal altogether and i love

32:44

my dad i think if you really great on the south i

32:47

guess this is this i need

32:49

you to help me figure out how do i convince

32:51

a man who's a democrat and everything but

32:53

name that he's actually a democrat

32:55

to some degree said

32:56

the guy on we should give it a try it like we should

32:59

really try to convince him is a democrat on

33:01

air

33:02

yes first rising star with yes we

33:04

can start is like strategy planning

33:07

for our approach here first

33:09

thing ruin it i would win as he's like let's

33:12

talk about

33:13

why you spent your entire career in

33:15

a union and what you feel like it did

33:17

or you ain't keeping in mind that he

33:20

may have some complaints about the union

33:22

as well like anybody would who's

33:24

had a lifelong relationship with anything right

33:27

yeah i think there's something about the state

33:29

of utah that i find very promising

33:31

for these types of conversations like up with had

33:33

spencer the governor of utah on

33:36

i don't presume to know if this person is mormon

33:38

or not but this something about the

33:41

mormon community you try this spills

33:43

over into arizona to where i think there

33:45

is a lot of data to suggest that the

33:47

reason why democrats have been making inroads

33:50

in arizona is because that mormon

33:52

community as a whole has

33:54

some misgivings about trump

33:56

and way he carries himself though

33:59

it sounds like the i did you do your dad

34:01

is like out really good guy

34:03

and i think that's always a starting point of a conversation

34:05

is like personal ethics before anything

34:08

else is a good place to be like or it do

34:10

you want the vote for somebody

34:12

invalidate somebody who is carries

34:15

themselves and aware that is anathema

34:17

to who you are yeah

34:19

we had a good set the fact that he's

34:21

been voting republican since nineteen seventy two

34:23

which means that that is just

34:25

as much a part of his idea who he is

34:28

as being a deadhead being a union member

34:30

being your father like

34:32

you know now obviously as important but

34:34

it's in there in the same way and you have to recognize

34:37

that and so in order to get someone

34:39

to change a part of how they identify

34:41

themselves to themselves you have

34:43

to make that square with a lot

34:45

of other

34:46

cheaters of themselves that they already see right

34:49

so it's right to start with

34:51

their the union piece for instance but it's

34:53

i think it's important to go back to like their values

34:55

so like if we have mine i would want to ask him a lot

34:57

of questions about like you know ethics

35:00

and what he sees is right and wrong and the choices he

35:02

makes and life so that he eventually the idea

35:04

and this i think is is the only pursue

35:07

it is for the person to conclude oh

35:09

actually my identity

35:11

and my idea of myself hasn't changed but the

35:13

way i'm describing it in the wham affiliating

35:15

and has changed this when she goes to the whole

35:18

like they've changed you have

35:20

right and i think we invite him on the are

35:22

both you should come on just like our wisconsin

35:24

episode i think that's a good model and snow

35:27

maybe were not explicitly frame as like hey we're trying

35:29

to convince year democrat more eco me understand

35:31

how you arrived they are politics and possessing

35:34

of were like hey we're trying to convince you if

35:36

i were him i'd be like

35:38

i'm gonna come on and i'm gonna drop some road

35:40

bucks immediately you know where you

35:42

going to be defensive so we get to take the approach

35:44

we've talked about this and recent episodes

35:46

with to be curious yeah maybe her commitment

35:49

where republicans is and you never know it's past

35:51

do anything as well probably not but

35:53

there are listener

35:55

that are going to let me like oh you are

35:57

one ravi they can manifest this

36:00

my conservative so save

36:02

the tweets i would see them anyway because i want

36:04

log on for a couple weeks but i get

36:06

the joke reviews not a republican

36:08

he's just click here to average joe's

36:11

like well and and any by

36:13

simply devil's advocate i'm a loyal democrat

36:15

who you know it like sir engaged

36:17

in the dialectic

36:22

the guy my question is

36:25

, how the safety

36:27

that he specifically the

36:30

christian faith new the more specifically the

36:32

evangelical community folks

36:34

who are

36:36

consider reporting on the first part of your movement

36:39

is kind of are voting for progress tag

36:41

movement some how can

36:43

we engage post inwardly

36:46

to our community that has been vastly

36:48

misrepresented and my my opinion but you know

36:50

you see if he said what evangelical people's

36:53

assumptions probably point

36:55

to oh so you're a camper i'm

36:58

, how can we are any thoughts about

37:00

how we can all help inwardly

37:03

a that community think

37:05

more about voting progressively and are

37:07

not way and then how can we also

37:09

speak outwardly you know and kind

37:12

of i guess reclaim i dunno free

37:14

claims the right word but any though there

37:16

are if you personally have opinions

37:18

or thoughts i would love to hear and and i'm anyway

37:21

thanks so much for your work you're doing really

37:23

really doing important stuff and you're educating guys

37:25

like me to and think more critically

37:27

and more critically more openly about

37:30

a about life take care of the best buy

37:32

there you

37:34

grab with the church or the

37:36

i don't think it was an evangelical church but you grow

37:38

so you take a stab at this

37:41

you know i think like what's confounding i

37:44

think is or at least confusing

37:46

about the room for the role of religion

37:48

and society is that it seems to be focused

37:50

on one issue of abortion rate

37:53

and i think what's frustrating for

37:55

democrats is that you

37:58

are often feel like trump

38:00

and a republican party their policies

38:02

and away they carry themselves contradict

38:04

so much else if we're talking about

38:07

christianity and the evangelical

38:09

church that it's like how do you convince somebody

38:11

who believes strongly that abortion

38:14

is wrong and when they believe it's

38:16

wrong it's not like a trivial matters to them

38:18

right how do you convince them who

38:22

you know way that against other things

38:25

the and i'm like how do i bring evidence

38:27

to a discussion that his faith based

38:29

great somebody is just will claim this is

38:31

what they believe that oh my god i

38:34

don't know evidence is nestle gonna walk you

38:36

down now let's i guess my answer is like i don't

38:38

know destroyed a trophy answer is

38:40

will talk about the death penalty talk about

38:42

his personal conduct talk about how we

38:44

treat the poor ghz example

38:47

about know how we treat the downtrodden

38:49

and how on christian the way the republican

38:51

party talks about people living in poverty

38:53

is but i just don't feel like that's enough

38:55

i feel like this question was structured

38:57

and way it is instructive like

39:00

he's saying first how do i

39:02

do this internally within the

39:04

evangelical community and then second how

39:06

do i had do we do this aimed

39:09

message was at the evangelical community

39:11

and i think that that is the right way to

39:13

think about it because no matter how

39:15

great your messaging to the evangelical

39:18

community or to any faith based community may be

39:20

if there's no natural home

39:22

within that community for that set

39:24

of beliefs no sense that oh this

39:27

there are others among my group that believe

39:29

this then it's multitudes

39:32

harder to actually convince people so

39:34

i think the answer is is that you have

39:36

to start by finding even

39:38

if they're very few in number finding the other

39:40

like minded people

39:41

within your community and you need to be

39:43

loud and you need to let other people in your

39:46

community maybe it's just in your congregation

39:48

to start with know that you're there so

39:50

whatever you may call it evangelicals

39:52

for or whatever or just even if you're just

39:54

on social media altogether

39:56

taking pictures of yourselves and all your friends

39:59

from your church see

40:00

in your at you know a a progressive

40:02

event that you have to create

40:04

a safe place with in

40:06

your world for any other messages

40:09

to get in otherwise they're just going to bounce

40:11

off the force field because people are going to be like that's

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not a thing that people like me

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do but if they see it they go oh

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that's the thing

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there are people like me who believe this

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okay well i guess i should think about that for a sec

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what you're saying is something

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for people who are trying to create a sub community

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on any is right not just religion not

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to see the job of community but you know creating

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sub communities that think the way

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you do but that reflects the larger

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values of that community that's it disagree

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playbook i like that

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the gotta find other deadhead union

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members from utah the who happened

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to be progressive

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and you gotta have a couple of them over for dinner to meet

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your dad you know like that's

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that's how you gotta do it

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i programming or slash road to the midterms

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or you've been seeing these fights over the country

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over what the district lines are going to look

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like all these redistricting gerrymandering face

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in the courts the republicans

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in kansas right across the state line for

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me have really got out of their way

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to try and win extra seats by

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drawing lines that are completely unfair but

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that doesn't mean that series david's the representative

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for the third district a democrat in

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kansas at doesn't still have a real

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shot because she is an incredible fighter

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has been a great member of congress and people

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just really like her here she's got

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an incredible personal story as i would

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encourage you to look her up but either way she's a

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incumbents democratic member of congress

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who they are trying to draw lines

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to defeat her because they can't defeat or otherwise but

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she can still beat them sorry encouraged everybody to go

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check out cerise david's and her

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reelection in by to kinda city suburbs

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space with the third district of kansas heard

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we get into some voice mails this week next

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week he could be yours and yours and for we could could be yours

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update at some point to the audience my dad is still running

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for state senate and his opponent

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the democrat incumbent is now running

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for the congressional seat so my dad doesn't

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actually have open food or kind of open

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see a but he's taking it so seriously

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he's going to paris for two weeks in the middle of your

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life or your

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