Shelby Treichler (@cactus_to_pine), one of the wonderful makers at Decatur Makers, joins George (@grumpymaker) and Kevin (@kevinarne) for a conversation about life, making, and jumping out of airplanes.

We share our first maker memories, talk about Shelby's role as a props person in the film industry, and how she got into selling products for rock climbers.

If you're a climber, or just want to support an awesome maker, check out Shelby's website: www.cactustopine.com