0:00

I don't know about you guys, but it

0:02

is raining so much. Like

0:04

I should have planned ahead and

0:07

created some sort of a machine to

0:09

print money from rain because I would

0:12

be so rich. I'm

0:14

working on one that makes snow into cash. That's

0:18

what I'm working on right now.

0:21

It's funny, we're right in between. We have snow on

0:23

the ground, but it's raining, so it's kind of washing

0:25

away the snow, which makes for

0:27

a mess. Yeah, yeah.

0:30

Now every time my dogs go outside, they come

0:33

back in just completely covered, just from walking. Like

0:35

they're not, you know. Yeah, that's my least favorite

0:38

part of the rain. But I do like the

0:40

rain. We've had a day and a half so

0:42

far and another day and a half ahead of

0:44

just 100% solid all the

0:47

time rain, which is actually really nice to

0:49

listen to, but it's kind of a mess. It's

0:52

like a winter wonderland outside right now. Mm.

0:56

That sounds cooler than rain. It's

0:58

pretty, but I mean, I could use a break.

1:00

We had severe, severe cold

1:02

here. It was in the

1:05

single digits for about four or five days in

1:07

a row, and that was pretty brutal. Thankfully,

1:10

I didn't have any freezing pipes because we

1:12

upgraded the heating system here last year, me and my

1:14

friend Mo. And it

1:16

made it through, he texted me.

1:18

He says, like, how's the heating system in this weather? Because

1:21

he put it in. I said, so far,

1:23

so good. We didn't

1:25

have any major problems. But

1:27

it is a test of your will,

1:30

living and working through. And right in the

1:32

middle of it, in my most recent video,

1:34

you could see the heater going

1:37

in the background. My most recent video,

1:40

the week I worked on the six pack holder, it

1:43

was when it was in the single digits in the teens, and

1:46

my propane ran out in

1:48

my black barn where I work most of the time now.

1:51

The reason I work in the black barn the most

1:53

is partly because it's convenient, but most often because it's

1:55

warm. I don't work at the other shop anymore as

1:58

much as it becomes storage. There's

2:00

no good heating system them. So.

2:02

I worked all week long and a single digits in the

2:05

barn with no heat. But it wasn't

2:07

so bad because it's a big giant slab

2:09

floor, the floors forty by seventy and then

2:11

it's there. It's it's the radiant floor. So

2:13

even though it the he goes away it

2:15

still is maintains a if it was like

2:18

another for five days. Everything would

2:20

have equalizer would have stayed. Would

2:22

have been twenty inside twenty outside but

2:24

it is stay around thirty five degrees

2:26

inside. Well to was. Sixteen

2:29

outside. But.

2:31

I got propane. The truck showed up

2:33

early on Monday morning. Than. An

2:36

hour just to overcompensate. I turned it all

2:38

the way up to like ninety degree cease

2:40

and desist necessary. And I was in their

2:42

last night and I was a wall I

2:45

can and you're at a profane again know

2:47

I caught off the floor, caught up the

2:49

floor as the heating element the caught up

2:51

and I walked in and I immediately. Open

2:54

the phone and turned. It sounds as it's

2:56

on the computer and a turn down the

2:58

heat down to sixty five and so. I'll

3:01

be much of a walk is it from the house to the barn.

3:04

Five hundred seat. And.

3:07

I I I. It's like the old days and I

3:09

live in the city. Is

3:11

really that's about seven hundred seats. Been the

3:13

old days I would always. Welcome.

3:16

The run up and down the stairs on

3:18

third floor because that was my exercise Passively

3:20

is a despot everywhere so I would always.

3:23

Run up and down the says if I needed something. And

3:26

I did that fifty times a day. and.

3:29

Now every time I walk out my backyard

3:31

I have my golf cart, the Polaris and

3:33

my friend of mine as can finally take

3:36

the quad to there are now I always

3:38

walk I always thought okay oh is walk

3:40

back of what's because it's sit in a

3:42

quiet as sit on snow ago started it

3:44

starts like you know eight out of ten

3:46

times and then am I the armed forces

3:49

us So I just walked back and forth

3:51

all day long. So. Here's

3:53

what you to do in that span of

3:55

seven hundred feet you should build. Like.

3:57

Out. Sawtooth. Sense.

4:00

stairs. So you go up five stairs and then

4:02

down five and then up five all the way.

4:04

So you're getting a

4:06

stair workout but just in a really

4:08

dumb way. I'm still doing the Peloton.

4:10

We're going to talk about

4:12

burnout but to prevent burnout on the Peloton, I

4:14

was doing it every single night for the first

4:17

six months and then obviously travel

4:19

and stuff started interrupting that flow. Well,

4:21

it really felt like the first three months because when

4:24

spring came, that's when things really got busy. So

4:27

now I do it every other night regardless

4:30

of what's happening. So last night was my Peloton night.

4:32

So tonight I have the night off. Tomorrow night, no

4:34

matter what's happening, I got to get a Peloton. I

4:36

always say, oh, the house of Peloton ride. That's

4:39

what I tell my friends and family like, can you use such

4:41

and such? I'm like, well, I owe the house of Peloton ride

4:43

tonight. So I don't know if I can at least do that

4:45

and then I can do that. So tonight

4:48

I'm off. So it is

4:50

nice to, it's a nice way to

4:52

temper that, but I'm always welcome back and forth. I

4:55

think I might use for

4:57

the Peloton. Yeah. You got the clip. Yeah. So

5:01

we have a soul cycle and

5:04

we have the special shoes. It was the

5:06

original Peloton. It is so

5:09

difficult to get in and out of the

5:12

clips. I can watch the videos

5:14

and I still, I still almost like fall. I

5:16

still feel like I'm going to fall

5:18

every time I go to get out of the, I'm

5:21

like, I sit there and I go, okay, I got my,

5:23

I can do it really good with my left foot, but

5:25

my right foot, I don't, I don't have

5:27

the muscles that twist your ankle in the right direction.

5:29

I have to, I can kick my

5:31

left foot out always. And then I swing my, my

5:33

leg off the seat. And while I'm turning my body

5:35

in space, that's how I click out of the right

5:37

one. Every time I kind of got a little system

5:40

now, but every once in a

5:42

while I'm like, I have to get off this bike. As soon as

5:44

I'm done, I have to get off and I try and click out

5:47

really quick with my right foot. It just doesn't work. I'm

5:50

like, I do like that. When

5:52

I was growing up, I rode mountain bikes a lot

5:55

and I always saw those like professional mountain bikers in

5:57

like the spandex and everything. They always had those clip

5:59

shoes. And I never even tried

6:01

them because I was like there's no way I would be able

6:03

to get my feet out of those to get My feet on

6:05

the ground when I need to and which means I will fall

6:08

over and be stuck under my bike in the woods I don't

6:10

think so. I just don't want to deal with it never

6:14

even tried them but I

6:17

uh, so speaking of exercise, I

6:19

don't know if I told you guys I hurt

6:21

my back again or something over Christmas break and

6:25

Actually, I didn't really hurt my back I think

6:27

what happened was a rib popped out of place.

6:29

Have you ever had this happen to you? No

6:32

second time it's happened to me a rib

6:35

like it just feels

6:37

like somebody reached in and got a rib

6:39

and like Twisted it or tucked

6:41

it under another one or something. This is really

6:43

like it's not You

6:45

know like that. So I This

6:48

happened right after Christmas and I found some

6:50

stretches where you can like bend the opposite

6:53

Way and it spreads your rib cage enough for everything

6:55

to kind of realign the way it's supposed to sounds

6:57

gross But it's you know, it's just a stretch

7:00

So it immediately got better but

7:02

not better You

7:06

know 10% better and Until

7:08

about the end of last week. It's

7:11

been sore Just feeling

7:13

this kind of dull almost like I ran

7:15

into a table like a sharp edge into

7:17

your rib cage like that kind of dull

7:20

just And

7:22

so because of that I didn't

7:24

run for the first well,

7:27

this two days ago was a persona ran

7:29

this year, which is super weird for me

7:31

as someone who's been for

7:33

the running for the last 16

7:36

plus years like I started right before my kids

7:39

were born I've

7:41

run pretty much the longest

7:43

time I've taken off was about a week and a

7:45

half and This

7:47

was a solid three weeks of

7:50

no exercise at all. No yoga. No

7:52

running. No anything Actually

7:55

didn't feel terrible and

7:58

Didn't gain any weight or anything anything, but

8:01

getting back to running this Monday felt

8:04

so good. It was a

8:06

treadmill and it was like, you know,

8:09

not like fun, but it

8:11

just felt really good to get back to it. And I didn't

8:13

realize how much I actually missed just

8:15

the physicality of doing something like that.

8:19

So even after we record today, I'm a little

8:21

bit anxious to go run. Like I'm looking forward

8:24

to getting on the treadmill. Just

8:26

kind of weird, but kind of cool. I've

8:29

already closed my exercise ring for the day. Whoa,

8:32

like not even nine 30. I

8:36

have a pretty strict routine now every

8:38

morning. You're

8:41

walking? Is that your walk or is this

8:43

something else? Well, usually I walk. Usually

8:46

I walk for 30 minutes in the morning, but

8:49

it's been real sloppy and icy. So

8:51

I've been substituting that for

8:53

the elliptical. And then I

8:55

will do a 10 to 15 minute

8:58

walk after lunch and then a 10

9:00

to 15 minute walk after dinner. No,

9:02

and sometimes a little bit of weights,

9:04

but nothing, no cardio, no, no intense

9:06

stuff. I've been doing

9:08

intermittent fasting since July. I'm

9:11

down 10 pounds over that, over

9:13

that period. And

9:16

it's just, and it's pretty

9:19

low effort. Maintenance. Yeah,

9:21

it's just maintenance. Yeah. That's

9:24

good. You know, it would be a

9:26

funny video is to

9:28

take a Peloton or an elliptical and

9:31

be like, you

9:33

know, I use this for inside during

9:35

the winter because it's so gross outside.

9:37

And now that the weather's better, I

9:40

want to start doing this outside. So you

9:42

build a contraption that is driven by a

9:44

Peloton. So you're still sitting on the Peloton

9:47

that's on like a four wheel car and

9:49

going down the street. You

9:51

could just fly a bike, but that's, you know, but

9:54

do it like deadpan. Like this is the

9:56

only way I'm going to get this exercise.

9:58

Right. Regular bikes don't exist. We

10:00

have this, our house has

10:03

this extra room. It was

10:05

an addition the previous owners put on there so we

10:07

it's our theater room and the

10:09

pool table that I inherited is in there

10:12

and it's also the place for all the

10:14

exercise equipment is. So we have a rowing

10:16

machine, we have the soul cycle and we

10:18

have an elliptical and there's a few weights

10:21

and stuff and there

10:24

is no excuse for me to

10:26

not exercise except I, my brain

10:28

does not comprehend the rowing machine.

10:31

You don't row, I don't know

10:33

if you guys have ever done the rowing machine but

10:35

there's a certain order of operations. My

10:38

brain can't get the operations in the

10:40

right order and I'm doing two things

10:42

at the same time instead of like a one two three four

10:45

and I just I gave up on it and

10:48

I was like I'll come back to it and

10:50

I've never come back to it. Kelly you did it.

10:53

But I just I feel

10:55

so dumb for not being able to figure

10:57

out the rowing machine. Is

11:00

it water in it? No it's but but there is a

11:06

like you use my my head my brain

11:08

says you do these two things at the

11:10

same time but the trainer on the big

11:12

screen that's on the thing is like no

11:14

you one two three four and

11:16

I don't know I

11:19

don't know why I can build complex

11:21

woodworking projects but I can't use a

11:23

simple piece of exercise equipment. That's

11:28

funny. Well what have you guys been

11:31

up to other than exercising? I've been

11:33

working on that I just did that six-pack holder out of

11:35

leather which was a pretty

11:37

challenging project. Speaking of six-packs. Yeah

11:40

working my way towards actually

11:42

having a six-pack. It's a

11:44

six-pack of wine. Andrew Alexander

11:46

over the over the winter

11:49

break he sent me from a friend's house he's

11:51

like look what my friend has I want one of these make

11:53

me one and I said actually that's

11:55

a really good project for January because I owe that

11:57

all it takes to get Jimmy dressed to make you

11:59

something Well, you guys make me one.

12:01

I don't know if Andrew's got a good collection of

12:03

tools. So when he said how much money, how much

12:05

money, I just said just send me a gift. So

12:08

I said I've been doing a lot of trades with

12:10

people lately. Even some of the fans are like,

12:12

could you give me one of these or could you send me one of

12:14

those? And I was like, what do you have that's of equal value? Just

12:16

send it to me. Don't even show me. Just

12:18

send me something cool. That's of equal value in your

12:20

opinion. And that's, I haven't gotten, I mean, I just

12:22

started. In your opinion. No, seriously,

12:25

that's the caveat I would take advantage

12:27

of. These concrete blocks are so valuable.

12:29

I'm going to mail them to Jimmy.

12:31

Sorry, Andrew. Go ahead. No,

12:34

so I haven't actually fulfilled

12:37

any of those complete exchanges yet, but we'll say,

12:39

I'll tell you if anybody sends me a concrete

12:41

block. But so

12:44

I made the six-pack hole that was challenging in the way

12:47

that, and Weaver asked

12:49

me to make something out of

12:51

this thick quarter-inch leather for making

12:53

harnesses. It's just crazy. It's like wood. It's

12:56

so thick. If

12:58

you know anything about ounces, it's 15 to

13:01

16-ounce leather, which is just about

13:03

a quarter-inch, sometimes over a quarter-inch. And

13:05

I used the table saws and woodworking tools to

13:08

cut this up. And the

13:10

project came out good. And

13:13

the one that Andrew sent was all stitched

13:15

together. This one, I was like, there's

13:17

no way I could stitch this leather reasonably. I did

13:19

put two stitches in it. And

13:21

I said, oh, my light just went off. I did put

13:23

two stitches in it. And I said, that's it. I'm not

13:25

putting any more stitches in this. The rest

13:27

of the whole thing was riveted. So

13:30

I riveted the whole thing together. And it

13:32

came out really nice. It was a really, really,

13:34

really, really good project. And the video is doing

13:36

well, which is surprising because leather videos never do

13:38

well for me. But

13:41

it's not about that. It's about making

13:43

cool stuff. Hold on. My

13:46

light is out. Anyway, so I'm happy with

13:48

that project. That project turned out good. Oh,

13:50

there's my light. It got turned down a little bit.

13:56

Now I'm working on making...

14:00

50 whiskey boxes. So I don't know if either of you

14:02

guys saw my paint, my, my

14:07

Instagram last night, I started working on

14:09

50, making 50 boxes is a lot.

14:13

I worked all night yesterday and

14:16

I'm only up to 35 and I'm not done. I'm

14:18

just making like the first step. So

14:21

today I'm going to spend, I'm going to spend the first part

14:23

of the day in the workshop making the next 15 to

14:25

add. I'm doing it in phases and

14:28

I'm showing a little bit on, on Instagram and

14:33

I'm making a video of this, but it's not the type

14:35

of video. I'm not, we talked about

14:37

this before we started, but I've been, I'm going to devote a

14:39

lot more time to my Patreon and I'm going

14:42

to put videos on Patreon that I

14:44

know would never perform or are redundant

14:46

to my repertoire of things I've made

14:48

several times before. So

14:51

this is going to be a Patreon exclusive.

14:54

So, but I will show clips

14:56

of it here and there. And what's

14:58

good about me doing exclusive videos for Patreon, I

15:00

could then make it a reel for public. So

15:03

I have a full video on Patreon and then a

15:05

reel for everywhere else. And then I

15:07

did one of those so far and it seems like

15:09

it's working out and it's a nice compromise for

15:12

videos that otherwise wouldn't make a good YouTube

15:14

video where we'd expect to get a hundred

15:16

thousand views. But there's still good

15:18

content in the right, in the right, in

15:21

the right setting. Um, I have a

15:23

question to jump back just a bit

15:25

to the leather. So the whole like ounces

15:28

of leather, I assume that

15:30

is the weight of the leather thickness

15:33

over a certain square

15:36

inch or something. How's that calculated? How, what

15:38

does that mean? That's funny.

15:40

I have no idea how it happens, but I'll

15:42

tell you what I did. Uh, I'm

15:44

still trying to figure out my lamp here. I

15:47

did speak to, we had

15:49

a meeting at Weaver and they're like, how could you, how

15:51

could we improve what we're doing? And they said, one way

15:53

to improve what you're doing is give out

15:57

sample rings of

15:59

what. ounces are because nobody understands what an

16:01

ounce is. And I said, I

16:04

know you guys do it because it's tradition. And

16:06

I'm sure you would never get the whole industry

16:08

to change that to millimeters.

16:11

I said, but you've got to figure

16:13

out a way or put a chart up

16:15

on the website that says, ounces is this,

16:17

and it equates to this. And

16:21

they thought that was a good idea. I don't think they've done it yet. But

16:24

I'm sure there's a chart online,

16:26

if you Google it, what translates to what.

16:28

I think ounces is just an

16:30

ancient industry term. I talked about it in

16:33

my recent video about

16:35

the six pack holder. I did a voiceover video

16:37

for public consumption. And I

16:40

said, there are certain things in the leather business that

16:42

are just steeped in tradition. And nobody thought to change.

16:44

And nobody thinks to change them at all because it's

16:46

just the way it is. It's

16:49

like the Freemasons. There's certain traditions of

16:51

things you just do. You don't question

16:53

it. And I talked about using

16:55

a head knife. A head knife is that

16:57

ancient thing that looks like it's from a

16:59

surgeon from the 15th century.

17:02

It's like a half moon knife. And

17:06

I joked, I said, I don't understand why

17:08

people still use a head knife. It's a

17:10

completely useless tool, in my personal opinion. I

17:12

see people using a head knife on all

17:14

these hipster leather videos. And in my

17:16

opinion, they're using it simply just because that's the knife

17:18

that's meant to, that that was how it was done.

17:21

I said, a head knife does not compare to just

17:23

a utility knife, in my opinion. And

17:26

a few people responded to saying, I 100% agree

17:28

with you. I tried using a head knife. It

17:30

is an ancient tool that is completely useless. Now

17:33

there's much better solutions to this tool. And so

17:35

that being said, I think ounces is another thing

17:37

that's just, it might have something to do

17:39

with the tannery. Like use this many

17:41

ounces to make this much thickness. And so that's

17:44

why. And that's probably what

17:46

it's a holdover. But

17:48

just look up a chart online. And when

17:50

I say ounces, you translate it to what

17:53

it is in millimeters. For instance,

17:55

when I did the, I had

17:57

the leather bag pattern that I've shared with a couple of

17:59

people. And it's

18:02

in millimeters. Tim, my friend

18:04

Tim set it up. And so 10 ounces

18:06

is four to four and a half millimeters. This

18:10

way we know how wide to make the holes for the step to happen

18:12

in the slot. So, anyway.

18:14

I was looking at a chart, so I just verified that.

18:16

You were right. Yeah. It's four.

18:19

But I found a chart that just has,

18:22

it's just a grid that one

18:24

ounce is a 64th of an inch or

18:26

0.4 millimeters. And it's just

18:29

a linear. Yep. One

18:31

is this, two is this, three is this. And

18:33

there's another listing here for irons. I

18:36

guess that's another measurement there.

18:39

So one ounce is 0.75 irons. So

18:43

somebody out there making a pair of shoes with a

18:45

head knife. And

18:47

measured in iron. Give

18:49

me the two iron leather. Yeah.

18:52

Wait, we're in Brooklyn. What do you want? That's

18:56

interesting. I learned that

18:59

we don't know the answer to that question. Cool. Yeah.

19:02

There must be word origins out there about it. Yeah. Tell

19:04

us next week. Yeah.

19:07

So that was a good project. It was fun. Making

19:09

a podcast. Come for the wining. Stay

19:12

for the knowledge. When

19:17

I say wining, it's just sometimes

19:19

this is a good place to talk

19:22

about our issues. Yeah,

19:24

absolutely. So I

19:26

am making a record player stand for the

19:28

other house. I

19:31

bought a record player and it's

19:33

got the amp built into it and

19:35

it comes with a set of speakers and

19:38

it looks like it's made out of walnut, but it's

19:40

some sort of veneer. And

19:43

it's like a, for the rental house,

19:45

I want the stereo system to be

19:47

as simple as possible. So I didn't

19:50

want a record player and an amplifier

19:53

and then another. So it's all in

19:55

one. And so I'm

19:57

making a stand for it and I'm trying to.

20:00

to do something that's a little bit

20:02

different, so there's no 90 degree angles

20:04

on this thing anywhere. It's all, it's

20:06

like two

20:08

trapezoids stacked on top of each

20:10

other with a small end of

20:12

one, like

20:15

an upside down trapezoid on a right side

20:17

up trapezoid. So it has like a weird

20:19

shape. And then the

20:22

records in the middle of the trapezoid

20:24

will naturally fall on the edges. I

20:26

don't know if this is making sense

20:28

at all. And where

20:30

I wanted to do no 90

20:33

degree angles and then one

20:36

inch thick. And they don't make one

20:38

inch thick plywood, or they don't sell one inch thick

20:40

plywood where I am at. So I

20:42

laminated some sheets of plywood together. And

20:45

so far it's working out and it's

20:47

coming out really nice. But angles really

20:49

really confused me. So the,

20:55

some angles I can set the blade to

20:57

that particular angle and just cut it. But

21:00

some angles are too steep, like a 35 or 36 degree angle

21:02

is my table saw blade

21:06

doesn't go that far. So then you got to

21:08

run the board upright and

21:10

run it through the blade. Oh

21:12

yeah. And I just

21:16

like every single cut, I'm like taking

21:18

a step and just kind of like

21:21

taking a step back and just like, am I doing

21:23

this right? Am I? Traxor is a good solution for

21:26

that. I did a project once for a client where

21:28

it was like hexagonal boxes. Yeah. And they were kind

21:30

of long and deep. And I, I used

21:32

the Traxor for it. It was pretty successful with

21:35

Domino's. I

21:37

was able to figure it out. It was definitely

21:39

something I anticipated messing up, but

21:41

I figured it out. So

21:45

far I haven't made any mistakes and I've

21:47

been preparing myself for all these mistakes because

21:49

of all the stupid angles. But so far

21:51

it's coming out really good. The, I've been

21:54

told, Maybe you guys can confirm

21:56

or deny this, but to laminate plywood to

21:58

get thicker, She

22:00

the plywood You can use wood glue

22:02

as even though that is plywood that

22:04

wood glue the most in a wood

22:06

glue going to cause a to to

22:08

torpor potato chip. As.

22:11

I have unlimited plywood together with Nevada

22:14

and there are using it's ladder they

22:16

seem to work against each other's they

22:18

can. There's like a

22:20

forum called saw Mill Creek or something like that

22:23

and people like you can use wood glue. Because.

22:26

It will fill cause it to work

22:28

and people are talking about it will.

22:30

What are they recommend contacting us? Contact

22:32

Cement Amp. Yeah so it seems like

22:34

a safer option but yeah had luck

22:37

doing it before. From

22:39

because I needed the because the middle

22:41

part of this other the soccer player

22:43

stance is see through for the records

22:46

are going to be so I need

22:48

of wanna on the outside and the

22:50

inside and so I had three quarter

22:52

inch would wanna plywood lemonade a with

22:54

quarter inch. Which. Supposed.

22:57

To add up to to an end

22:59

split we all know that three quarter

23:01

and wanna play would is not three

23:03

quarter minutes. but anyways of it. Point

23:06

nine three or I says my point

23:08

seven days he learns since emissions. But.

23:11

It's all but it's our canal get used

23:13

or the back. Impressed! So I'm a new

23:15

lemonade. Everything together. And

23:19

school. by amid table.

23:22

For. A video that was on Make

23:24

Magazines channel. Years. Ago.

23:26

Like I even know when that was. And.

23:30

The whole thing was. Us

23:32

It's a slab sitting on play a

23:34

plywood base and plywood base is to

23:37

pieces of three quarter and slimane Together.

23:40

And. As the really nice I would say that

23:42

lines and the answer or intentional enough see

23:44

and and big. Six. Strip.

23:48

Adding is still up in my living room and

23:50

have never had any issues with it. Bending.

23:52

But I wonder does it does are wide

23:54

pieces so it's probably. Are

23:58

no eighteen by. 24

24:00

or something the pieces so I wonder

24:02

if the size of the piece You

24:05

know if it's smaller. Yeah has more

24:09

likelihood of well, I

24:11

think the though if I

24:13

believe if it's gonna warp It's gonna warp

24:15

right away right away during the drying process

24:17

because they say if you're going to Veneer

24:20

wood you have to veneer wood on both

24:22

sides That way when

24:24

that glue dries it's an even hole

24:26

on each side even if it's plywood

24:29

I've been told I haven't done any

24:31

experience myself, but yeah

24:34

Jimmy you're muted. I know I yeah I always

24:37

paint both sides of anything I paint that's plywood

24:39

or even otherwise just to make sure they get

24:41

the same treatment And the wood might react to

24:43

kind of even it out So

24:47

whatever it is it is it is seems

24:49

likely that you would have to handle both

24:52

sides the same way Typically

24:56

I did not know that Oh,

25:00

yeah, I see the picture that you sent of that that

25:02

school is not at all how I I had

25:04

a picture the other way but that this makes more

25:06

sense because when the records are fanning you can flip

25:09

through them and see him. Yeah, yeah, and

25:12

It's a little different than to my

25:14

normal style and I wanted to Come

25:17

up with something. So just a little bit

25:20

more visually striking. Maybe it'll make

25:22

for a better thumbnail Maybe it'll push

25:24

me into a new design phase.

25:26

We'll see Pretty

25:32

So me this last week the video that's

25:34

coming out this weekend, hopefully assuming

25:37

all goes well is Did I

25:39

tell you about the? safety

25:41

deposit boxes I had Mm-hmm.

25:44

No. Okay. Well a couple years ago. I

25:47

was at a Garage sale

25:49

and this guy had a stack

25:52

of safety deposit boxes with no locks on them

25:54

or anything it was just these the boxes and

25:56

I Don't know how

25:59

they're all shaped but the ones that I

26:01

got are 22 inches long, different

26:04

dimensions on the other two. So some of them are

26:06

wide, some of them are tall, some of them are

26:08

like this, so really skinny. Depends on how much cash

26:10

you need to hide. Whoa,

26:12

did you see the heart thing? Yeah. Yeah.

26:15

It does the thumbs up and it does

26:17

the heart thing. Only for you. It's

26:20

only, oh, I tried to turn this off.

26:22

That's so silly. Yeah, mine doesn't work at

26:25

all. It does. Yeah. But I

26:27

do love you guys. Anyway, people

26:30

who are listening have no idea what's happening. Sorry.

26:32

Anyway, back to it. So I got

26:35

all these safety deposit boxes of different

26:37

sizes and they've

26:39

been in my garage for two or three

26:41

years. I keep thinking like they're cool old

26:44

thing. I gotta do something with them. I

26:46

almost threw them away and Jenny was like, you

26:48

gotta come up with something. I was

26:51

gonna donate them. She was like, you can't just get rid of

26:53

those. You gotta use them for something. So I spent all this

26:55

time trying to come up with a

26:58

thing I can build to put them in and all

27:00

this. And I ended up, as

27:02

I was sitting there frustrated thinking about it, I was sitting

27:04

next to my workbench looking at the end of the workbench

27:06

going, there's a big area right

27:08

there that I've never used for anything. And

27:11

it turns out that it's the exact same depth

27:13

as the safety deposit boxes.

27:15

And it turns out that I have just enough

27:17

to fill this space. Anyway, so

27:20

I ended up building a really simple like

27:23

shelving unit to stick in the end

27:25

of the workbench that

27:27

all of these safety deposit boxes can go

27:30

in and because

27:32

of their format, I

27:35

couldn't really figure out what to use them for. And

27:38

so I ended up thinking a

27:40

lot about storage and like accessibility and how do you

27:42

get to the things you need and what would you

27:44

need to store in something like this. And

27:47

so I basically it

27:49

became consumable storage, stuff that I

27:51

don't need daily, but I need to be able to

27:53

get to it when I need to get like hot

27:55

glue or popsicle sticks or, you know, so I have

27:58

some of those things out for. I

28:01

need it right now. But then when I

28:03

go through those two glue sticks, I

28:06

can just pull out this big long drawer, pop it on

28:08

the bench, and I've got 1,000 glue sticks right

28:11

there. So it was funny because it

28:13

was kind of a, I just

28:15

wanna use these pieces, and I don't

28:17

really have a good reason to use these pieces, but then

28:20

by sticking with it, and by keeping

28:23

trying to come up with something, I

28:26

ended up finding what became

28:28

a really useful solution that

28:31

I wouldn't have needed to find otherwise, I think.

28:34

And so it was kind of cool. Like I got to the

28:36

end of it, I'm like, wow, this works

28:39

and looks pretty cool, and I took

28:41

advantage of a thing, and you know.

28:44

So it was kind of neat getting to the end of it and

28:46

being happy with, and I don't know that it's

28:48

that interesting, but I tried

28:50

to voice the video in,

28:54

how do we decide what to make? There's

28:57

a lot of criteria that we

28:59

can set for ourselves, like having to use a thing,

29:01

or having a space that you need to put something,

29:04

and then how do you work from

29:06

that criteria out to deciding what's worth

29:08

making and what's not, and stuff, so.

29:11

It's a lot of talking while I'm making stuff, hopefully

29:13

that won't annoy people, because I've been getting a lot

29:15

of, less talking, more

29:17

making, definitely, in videos, but whatever.

29:20

This gives me hope for that two inch by 12

29:22

inch piece of Bubinga that I've been saving for 15

29:24

years. Yeah. Just

29:28

look for a place to stick it in your workbench. Yeah,

29:30

yeah. So

29:33

I did that in, it'll be out soon.

29:35

You remind me, I bought it

29:38

over 10 years ago from a guy

29:40

up here nearby, it was a quick buy, because it was just done,

29:42

it was only like 50 bucks, but it's

29:45

about a five feet wide by six feet high

29:48

thing you would see behind a hotel

29:52

concierge desk where they'd be like, oh you have

29:55

mail, sir, and you turn around to the cubby

29:57

hole and give the mail. I'm

30:00

a Navy office in the US Navy. Like

30:02

I said, it was a US Navy mailbox for a grid,

30:06

and each grid is maybe 10 inches wide by

30:08

four inches high, and I bought it

30:10

to make drawers, so the whole thing would be, it's a

30:12

well-made grid made out of some, it

30:14

was like high-end, it's old school 1940s furniture, and

30:18

I was gonna make a box to fit in each cubby hole,

30:20

and I keep moving it around in my shop, and I was

30:22

like, one of these days, I gotta turn that, I gotta do

30:25

that video, and I just started really

30:27

thinking about it the other day, and

30:29

you have drawers, you needed a cabinet for

30:31

it. I have a cabinet that needs drawers,

30:33

so we should talk. No,

30:36

I'm good, I'm good. You

30:39

just made 50 boxes, or 35 boxes, now

30:41

you're gonna have to make like, how many

30:43

ever boxes to go inside? Oh yeah, these are a

30:46

little bit simpler though, because the ones I'm making for

30:48

the whiskey company are all gonna have hinges and locks,

30:51

yeah, it's a lot, every face is gonna get

30:53

etched with the brand logo, it's a lot. I

30:56

have to figure out a way to secure the bottle inside, so it might

30:58

have like a little belt with a snap, a little leather belt with a

31:00

snap. Spray foam.

31:03

Yeah, that would be nice, it was a one-way trip. Fill

31:07

it up. Well,

31:10

we did kinda have a topic. Jimmy,

31:14

you wanna take that? Yeah, I had a podcast

31:16

this week, I did a podcast on weld.com,

31:18

I was interviewed, it went

31:20

well, I don't know when it'll be out, but I'll promote it, but

31:23

besides that, in the conversation, the gentleman asked

31:25

me, how do I

31:27

feel about burnout? And I never really was

31:29

confronted with the question, I passively watch everybody

31:31

else talk about it, and I never stop

31:33

and think about myself being burnt out. And

31:36

in that moment, I started answering the question,

31:39

I started to realize, I guess

31:41

I've experienced burnout with client work,

31:43

and I started to realize, and

31:46

I'm opening the topic to you guys as well, I

31:49

think people get burnt out because they're not happy with the

31:51

work they're doing, because I've worked endless

31:54

hours and enjoyed what

31:56

I'm doing, and

31:58

I never really experienced burnout. I

32:01

always grovel about TV business. It's really the business

32:03

I grovel about. In the moment when I'm actually

32:05

working on a TV show with a crew and

32:07

everybody, it's endless amounts of hours of

32:09

work. But it's so much fun. It's

32:12

a privileged job. So I never would

32:14

experience burnout even working on NBC like some of those

32:16

days were really long and there was a lot of

32:19

stressful situations with the contestants making sure they get their

32:21

work in time. And you know everybody has to, even

32:23

though it's a fantasy world, everybody still has to meet

32:25

the deadline and get stuff done. So there is a

32:27

stress. It's

32:30

fun. So we've worked extended hours

32:32

and extended labor and stuff. And

32:36

in my own life with my YouTube videos where

32:38

I work and

32:42

you work extra long hours and

32:44

then you bring all the footage into your computer and

32:46

then you work extra long hours editing these

32:48

last couple of weeks, I've pumped out a lot of content in

32:50

the last couple of weeks and I

32:52

found myself sitting at my computer sleeping. Like I

32:55

wake up and I'm like oh, okay, let me

32:57

back to work. That's happened

32:59

to me a few times. Even last night I

33:01

was editing at about 2.30, 3

33:03

in the morning and my

33:05

head just went straight down and I was like okay,

33:07

time to go to bed. I

33:10

was conscious of like somebody stepped

33:12

on the air hose and my whole body just went,

33:15

okay, time to go to bed. But I

33:17

don't consider that burnout because I like editing

33:19

and Dave, I know you like editing, I

33:21

like trying to find the story

33:23

and try and make the, you

33:26

know, put what you together and find the

33:28

artfulness in it. So I don't experience, I

33:30

haven't really experienced burnout in this YouTube

33:34

content creation world. I have

33:36

with client work and the difference is that I

33:39

wasn't happy dealing with a

33:41

client who was not appreciative

33:43

or just flat out difficult to

33:45

work for. I

33:47

find myself committed to a really

33:49

in-depth, complicated job that I'm

33:52

getting underpaid for. I can't complain

33:54

about it because I committed, we're in a contract and

33:57

the client's

33:59

just nuts. appreciative of anything I

34:01

do. So there have been

34:03

jobs like that where I experience

34:06

I guess what would be burnout but

34:08

I guess it's really just flat out frustration. So

34:11

I don't know I never really experienced burnout

34:13

in this content creation world because I enjoy

34:16

what I do. There are

34:18

moments that are stress-aware. For instance I

34:21

filmed the whole commercial for noom or gnome. I

34:23

still don't know what it's called. I

34:26

filmed the whole commercial I called one afternoon and

34:28

I said to Robert go I'm done with my

34:30

gnome commercially goes gnome it's called gnome.

34:32

I'm like what he goes yeah yeah somebody my

34:34

family did it's called gnome. I'm like wait I'm

34:36

probably same reversing things I don't know which is

34:38

the right way to say it but

34:41

I went back and I looked at a bunch of ads

34:43

and I said the name wrong 55 times in the ad

34:46

and I had to go and reshoot the whole ad before

34:49

I even submitted it for its first approval because I

34:51

knew that would be the immediate yeah yeah you got

34:53

to say the brand name correctly about that. So

34:57

there are moments like that but even that instead of

34:59

you know I worked two hours shooting the video then

35:01

I had to work two hours shooting it again. That's

35:04

nothing it's not like loading plywood you

35:07

know for you know thousands of dollars is

35:09

what they would pay so

35:11

even that's a privilege so I have to remind myself

35:13

of like I'm in a privileged setting even

35:16

this is frustrating it's not it doesn't equate

35:18

to burnout to me so I'm just opening this

35:20

for you guys. Well

35:24

I don't think

35:26

I've like anytime I

35:28

feel like I'm getting

35:30

close to burnout I'll change something

35:33

up I kind of like trick myself into

35:36

re-energizing myself into enjoying what

35:38

I'm what I'm doing I

35:40

think there's been the whole

35:42

rash of these well-known

35:44

youtubers retiring or saying they're

35:47

gonna slow down and

35:50

I wonder if part of that

35:52

is because and I've heard

35:54

other gurus talk about this but

35:57

as a creator being

35:59

a creator doesn't scale the same

36:02

way as manufacturing

36:04

a product. Like

36:06

you're manufacturing a product and it's doing

36:08

well, you just grow your team,

36:10

you make more of that. You innovate, you come out

36:12

with a version too and you keep doing that. But

36:15

as a creator person, you

36:18

can't just scale yourself.

36:21

So you build, so all these

36:23

youtubers, they build teams and

36:26

then all of a sudden you're a manager.

36:28

And I'm not the first one, like lots

36:30

of these gurus will talk about this. And

36:32

so you're not doing the thing that you

36:34

were originally doing. And I've always... Oh I

36:37

sent you guys that video from Marques Brownlee.

36:39

Okay, okay. Marques, I think

36:41

Marques talked about that. Yeah,

36:43

it was a recent video.

36:47

And I've always been afraid of

36:50

scaling and growing the team because

36:52

I really enjoy the

36:54

freedom. I think

36:56

I enjoy, I enjoy the idea of

36:59

doing what I want to do. The

37:01

moment I have three or

37:03

four full-time employees, and this is not a

37:05

diss on you at all Bob, this is

37:07

just my own experience. But the moment I've

37:09

ever... The moment I have employees is

37:12

the moment I have to have structure

37:14

and a schedule. And everybody's

37:16

doing this and I have to worry about other

37:18

people. And I've always been afraid of that. So

37:20

I've just kept it me and

37:23

then a part-time camera person.

37:25

And I think that has prevented

37:28

me from reaching

37:30

that burnout. Of course I hit bottlenecks and I

37:32

want to do more or I get tired of

37:35

a certain thing. And I

37:37

find these little ways to trick myself into really

37:39

enjoying it. Like a new camera comes out and

37:41

I get so excited, you know, every three or

37:44

four years buying a new camera. Now I'm energized.

37:46

It's like being a musician and you get a

37:48

new guitar and you write ten new songs right

37:50

away. A new

37:52

tool comes out or I just I

37:54

rearrange things. I just do my... Or

37:57

I've changed up my style quite a

37:59

few times. and the way I present

38:01

videos. And then I think that has stunted

38:03

my growth, which is maybe why I haven't

38:06

grown as much as other people, but it

38:08

also re-energizes me every time I kind of

38:10

find a new way of making these videos.

38:13

So I trick myself into avoiding that

38:17

feeling of burning out. Yeah,

38:22

absolutely. I mean, I have a

38:24

lot of personal experience with all of

38:26

this stuff right here. David's frozen, I

38:28

hope he didn't cut you off. You froze. So

38:34

like for anybody that hasn't seen

38:36

the videos that have been coming out the last couple

38:38

of weeks, there have been quite a few people. Tom

38:41

Scott was one, Matt Pat, and

38:43

there's been some other ones that have

38:46

just come out and said like, I'm tired,

38:48

I don't really wanna continue this kind of

38:50

either pace. They wanna change what

38:52

they're doing, how quickly they're doing it, things

38:55

like that. And they're people that have been doing it for

38:57

a very long time. One

39:00

of the best videos I've seen, and

39:02

I think they're all like heartfelt, I'm

39:05

just, I'm trying to be okay. And

39:07

this is what I have to do, and I'm

39:09

just letting you know. They're not like, boo-hoo me,

39:12

I have this awesome job. It's not that,

39:14

it's just, I think people are beginning to

39:17

realize that there's more to life than

39:19

this. And

39:22

one of the best ones I've seen is

39:24

from Caleb from DSLR Shooter. He

39:27

did a video that I

39:29

think was super well articulated about

39:31

the struggle of growth versus

39:35

happiness and

39:37

pace and stuff. He just had some really

39:39

good things to say in it. And I

39:43

went through this whole thing that is

39:45

now pretty, it's

39:47

coming out in a lot of videos, I went through all this about

39:50

five months ago, four or five months ago. And

39:55

I've kind of talked about it on here, I guess,

39:57

but we had a whole team of people. It

40:00

just got to be financially too much

40:02

for me to... I

40:04

was too worried about providing

40:07

money for them to have

40:09

jobs and that ruined my

40:13

taste for pretty much everything else. And I think the reason

40:15

that that happens, and this is kind of what Marquez was

40:17

saying in his video, which was, you

40:21

start as a creative person, you start with

40:23

this core thing. I want to do this

40:25

core thing. To

40:27

be able to do that core thing past a certain

40:29

point, then you have to start adding in more hands

40:31

and more hearts and more brains, and you have to

40:34

add the stuff for it to

40:36

grow past that. But then

40:38

you have to manage those hands and

40:40

hearts and brains, and they cost money

40:42

and they take attention. And

40:44

some people love that part of it. Some people are

40:47

really good at that part of it. Some

40:52

people feel that

40:54

it's necessary, but it's not sustainable.

40:57

Or alongside that

40:59

whole thing, the industry

41:01

changes and YouTube changes and the

41:04

number of views change and the advertising

41:06

budgets change. And all those things can happen at the

41:08

same time. So everybody has this unique situation of how

41:11

they feel versus what's going on in the world at

41:13

the time and all this stuff. I

41:17

think Marquez said it really

41:19

well in that you

41:21

have a core thing and the

41:24

growth, like you're saying, is not

41:26

the same. The

41:28

scale is not the same as

41:30

within other industries. And

41:32

that's a really weird hurdle to get over

41:34

or decide if you need to get over or not.

41:37

And so for me, back to

41:39

what you were saying, Jimmy. I

41:42

definitely burnt out like a

41:44

year ago. Like hardcore,

41:48

I think I'm a decent actor. So I probably did

41:50

a pretty good job of not letting everybody know how

41:53

badly I was burnt out and how badly I felt.

41:56

But I felt really bad about

41:58

a year ago for about a year. And

42:02

eventually that – I

42:05

must say, to interrupt you, I must say I could

42:07

tell when we spoke sometimes you were very stressed out,

42:09

but you hold your cards close to

42:11

the chest. That's just the type of person you are and

42:13

I respect that, but I could tell there was times where

42:16

you seemed like you were going to break and you held it together.

42:20

Well, I broke for sure. But I

42:22

mean not in public. Yeah. Right. But

42:25

I think the point of all

42:27

that stuff – and you're right, I do hold that stuff

42:30

close to my chest and I don't even want to talk

42:32

about it right now. I feel uncomfortable even exposing that and

42:35

I don't want to sound whiny. I don't want to sound like any of that stuff. But

42:38

I'm making the correlation between I know what

42:40

that feeling is and that

42:42

burnout is not – like

42:44

you're saying to me, it's not the work. It's

42:47

not that core making things. It's

42:49

the emotional and stressful mental. It's the mental.

42:51

It's the stuff around that. It's the managing

42:53

the people and feeling guilty about can

42:56

I continue to provide this opportunity for people

42:58

and what if I let them down and

43:00

all this others and the bills and all

43:02

these other things. And

43:04

so in the last few months,

43:07

my team moved on or doing other things. It's

43:09

just me and Forbie now. And

43:13

this sounds negative towards the team

43:15

and it's not in any way

43:17

whatsoever. But them leaving on

43:19

moving on to other things was

43:22

the best possible thing that could have happened

43:24

to my heart and my brain. Because

43:27

not only is the requirement on me less – It's

43:36

actually given me so much – the freedom that

43:38

you're talking about David, that freedom to pivot and

43:41

that freedom to just like I don't know, I

43:43

just want to do this thing. I

43:45

feel that again for the first time in years to

43:51

take time to spend

43:55

time on things that I'm

43:58

interested in today that I wasn't interested yesterday. and

44:00

I won't be interested tomorrow, so to take this moment

44:02

and do that thing because I care about doing it,

44:05

that's there again. And

44:08

even to go back

44:11

to what you were saying about the Patreon thing

44:13

at the beginning, doing videos that don't, you know

44:15

we're not going to perform as well, the pressure

44:17

now on me is like, they don't have

44:19

to perform as well. I can do

44:21

a video about an aquarium hood that two

44:23

people are going to care about, but I

44:25

can do it because this

44:27

thing doesn't have to pay a bunch of salaries. I

44:31

must admit Bob, you know, it's refreshing too

44:33

to watch you pop up on Instagram much

44:35

more often in a much more personable in

44:37

the camera way. It's

44:40

like, oh, there's Bob. Like before you

44:42

were kind of almost like, you know, in a junior

44:44

CEO fashion, it's like you come out from behind the

44:46

curtain when they need you. But

44:48

now you're front and center on Instagram. I

44:50

must admit as a fan, it's very refreshing

44:52

to see that. And I can

44:54

see that you're obviously definitely you're

44:57

definitely enjoying it more. Yeah,

44:59

and I think the burnout thing

45:01

and the pressure thing and the

45:04

overwhelm thing, all that stuff is,

45:07

I felt it

45:09

and I understand like I

45:13

have empathy for other people who have felt

45:15

it in different ways. And so

45:17

like watching Caleb's

45:19

video that I was talking about, like

45:22

I just felt everything he was saying the

45:24

whole time about this not

45:26

being what life is about and about managing,

45:31

you know, work is not life. Work is work

45:33

is work. It's not life. And

45:36

the life should be the priority. And

45:38

a lot of us, whether we know it or

45:40

not, have gotten that really mixed up just because

45:43

of the way the world is. And it

45:46

was refreshing to hear him say, I'm choosing

45:48

to live my life and I'm going to

45:50

work. But work serves

45:52

the family. The family doesn't serve work. And

45:54

I was like, oh, and he also

45:56

said something really cool, which I talked about on

45:58

Instagram. He

46:01

mentioned deprofessionalizing his job.

46:04

And I thought that was a really great

46:06

way to say what I was feeling, the

46:08

joy that I was beginning to feel again

46:11

about like, this doesn't have to be a

46:13

professional thing, it doesn't have to have layers

46:15

and management and like structure all the time.

46:19

Like we started this because we were people in

46:21

garages who just wanted to make stuff and it

46:23

was fun and there were no stakes. And

46:27

it's still a job, job is work,

46:29

work is hard, that's gonna be there

46:31

but like it doesn't have to be

46:33

super professional and the way he said

46:35

it, I was just like, yeah, like

46:37

let's let that go. Or

46:39

not, if you're into like professionalizing things

46:41

but man, that felt good to hear.

46:44

I was gonna say that is exactly what I've felt

46:46

this week in the patrons that follow me, probably

46:48

get a sense of that. Of the

46:52

pretense of making sure things are really polished and

46:54

this and that and one of my

46:56

more recent videos on Patreon, well, I've only started a

46:58

week ago but one of the videos

47:00

I posted on Patreon, I stop in the middle and

47:03

just talk to the camera and I'm like, I went

47:05

for hunting for material. I was like, this is

47:07

behind the scenes, this is typically what I do, I'm like, I need a piece

47:09

of metal and I need a piece of wood. Let me

47:11

go look at my old storage unit which I never go in anymore. And

47:15

that felt so refreshing and kinda new because I don't,

47:17

like I would like, oh, I can't put this in

47:19

the middle of a very fast paced video, people aren't

47:21

gonna appreciate this. Patreon,

47:24

the stakes are much lower. It's much more

47:26

of like 100 people hanging out,

47:28

not 100,000 people hanging out. And

47:32

you don't feel like you're gonna get judged

47:34

as much. And so I believe that alleviation

47:38

of that pretense in

47:40

my Patreon approach, it

47:42

might leak back into YouTube a little bit, a

47:46

little bit. And so

47:49

it's rejuvenating, it's reviving in a way.

47:51

It's really nice, like I said, what

47:53

I'm gonna do on Patreon in a way feels like the

47:56

beginning of YouTube where I could make a video about me

47:58

putting a clip on a key and then, you know, you

48:00

know, gets 100,000 views. It's

48:02

really not about the view count, but what I meant

48:04

to say really more importantly is that people appreciate it

48:08

and not pandering to the

48:10

algorithm. I might only, the videos I put up are only

48:12

gonna get hundreds of views if that much, but

48:15

it doesn't matter because it's more about hanging

48:17

out with my friends and having fun and

48:20

getting support from you. I think that feeling right there

48:22

is something that we, maybe

48:25

you and I are just now finding again

48:28

in for different ways and different reasons, but

48:30

it's something that we can all proactively

48:34

create. So like,

48:41

I think I talked about this, I talked about this somewhere. I

48:44

did a video not too long ago and as soon

48:46

as the video went out, I saw the subscriber number,

48:48

you know, that has that graph that shows your subscriber

48:50

and it went negative, like 24. In

48:54

the first hour, it went like to negative 24. So

48:58

I looked at that and I'm like, oh, well, okay.

49:00

I guess I know what those people think of me.

49:03

And then over the next two days, it

49:05

went up and it

49:07

went up to positive two or something.

49:10

Not a big number. But

49:12

after that, I thought about those people and

49:14

basically what I had done is I made

49:17

a video that was interesting to me. I

49:19

put it out there and it pruned the

49:21

audience. Not pruned, that's the wrong word. It

49:25

reformed the audience, yeah, cold

49:28

maybe, by a

49:30

few people, got

49:32

rid of people who are not into today, Bob,

49:35

and it brought in slightly

49:37

more people who are into today, Bob.

49:39

And if you do that on every

49:41

video, you are constantly recycling the

49:43

people who are just not into what you do. And

49:45

there's no problem with that. There's no reason, it's not

49:47

a bad thing. It's a good thing because

49:50

then you're replacing them with people who

49:52

like today you, what you're doing, what

49:54

you're interested in, what you're willing to

49:56

put on camera today. And

49:59

that's awesome. And so it actually feels good when

50:01

I see that number go down as long as it comes

50:04

back a little bit Because I

50:06

know that I'm refining. That's the word.

50:08

It's not calling refining the audience Yeah,

50:11

you go to today the things that

50:13

excite me today and today

50:15

Bob We could name for the show and

50:18

we can do that we can

50:20

actively decide I'm

50:22

not gonna try to be the

50:25

YouTube thing that I'm supposed to be to

50:27

get views or Be

50:30

popular whatever the metric is that you're looking

50:32

You can say I'm gonna do the thing that I really

50:34

enjoy knowing that it's gonna hurt a little bit for a

50:36

little while But I'm refining

50:39

the people Even if that

50:41

number goes down you're still refining the people that

50:43

like what you do today and And

50:47

that just leads you toward a path

50:50

of being able to do what you like You

50:52

know what I mean? You don't have to there's

50:54

no pretense. You have to keep up and there's no like Pattern

50:58

that you have to maintain That's

51:01

really freeing and that feeling has given me

51:03

the thing that you're talking about that has

51:05

given me that in the last couple of

51:07

months It's just like I'm enjoying this and

51:09

the ideas that I'm coming up with the

51:12

vetting process is not like is This

51:16

gonna work. It's am

51:18

I gonna enjoy it and can I tweak it

51:20

enough to like make it visible to

51:22

people? But the

51:24

projects on my list are

51:27

not out there They're

51:29

not Colin Furs style. They're

51:31

not bigger better crazier. They

51:34

are I think this would look cool I'm

51:36

gonna do yeah, I want to build

51:38

this thing for my wife I'm gonna build it and then try

51:40

to make it look nice so people are interested in it but

51:43

that the list the potential list

51:45

is changing in

51:47

a way that I really like so Yeah,

51:50

all of this like people quitting and stuff

51:52

I guess to wrap up my long diatribe

51:54

I'm I feel it and

51:57

I also Am beginning to be on the other

51:59

side of it And so there's hope, I

52:01

think, for the people who are trying to

52:03

reorganize how they do their life and their

52:05

work in this place. I

52:08

think... Done. One

52:10

of the things that keeps me going and keeps

52:12

me energized is I haven't accomplished what I want

52:14

to accomplish yet. When

52:16

I worked at the newspaper, there was nowhere

52:19

for me to go. I did everything that I wanted

52:21

to do. So I moved on. And

52:23

then I went to work at

52:25

this ad agency. And I

52:28

became a decent

52:32

web developer at the time. But then I

52:34

hit that ceiling. There was nowhere else for

52:36

me to go within that company. And then

52:38

I became the YouTuber that

52:40

I am now. And

52:43

my goals, I haven't accomplished them yet. Like

52:45

I want to finish up this house. I

52:47

want to work

52:52

on the art stuff that I've been

52:54

talking about for years. And so I

52:56

don't want to... I'm

52:59

not ready to retire. I'm not ready to quit.

53:01

I'm not burning out because there's still things I'm

53:03

trying to reach for. And I think that's what

53:06

keeps me going. What happens after

53:08

I reach those goals? I don't know. But

53:10

right now, there is no plan B. If

53:13

I quit, there's nothing else that I can do. I don't have

53:15

a product. I don't teach

53:17

classes. So this

53:19

is what I have to do right now. Are

53:24

you beginning to think about what that fallback

53:26

is? Yeah, for

53:28

sure. I've been thinking about that for

53:30

a while. And so there's the investments.

53:33

I want to work with this rental

53:35

house. This rental house eventually is just

53:37

going to be a house that we

53:39

rent out. And once that's

53:41

paid off, we're going to buy

53:43

another house. That's

53:45

kind of like the backup plan is become a

53:47

real estate mogul. But

53:52

there's other things. I wish I had a product.

53:55

I wish I had a thing that I could sell.

53:57

But right now, it's not something that I want to.

54:00

focus on because it would

54:02

take attention away from the things that I enjoy.

54:05

Like I'm just me and I

54:08

really enjoy making the videos. I enjoy

54:10

the editing, I enjoy the filming. I

54:12

really like, I enjoy

54:16

figuring out what works on YouTube for

54:18

right now. I enjoy trying to figure that out,

54:20

trying to find that hook. And

54:24

I've seen a change in your videos recently where

54:26

you're talking more about, it's less about the thing

54:28

that we're making and it's more about the

54:31

process. And I like seeing

54:33

you talk about that on camera a lot

54:35

more. We've all evolved.

54:38

Like Jimmy used to not talk in his videos at

54:40

all. And then you talk

54:42

all the way through and I'm like,

54:44

man, I have such a greater understanding

54:46

of what's involved in this. That's

54:52

the fun part of the change. That's

54:55

the other reason why I talk a lot in every video

54:57

now. That's why I wanted to make Patreon

54:59

even more because Patreon was only my

55:01

voiceover videos. And if you're paying

55:04

to see me on Patreon, do voiceover videos but then

55:06

I'm doing it publicly, I felt like it's kind of

55:08

devaluing it. So that's why now I'm just going to

55:10

do exclusive stuff on Patreon that won't appear anywhere else.

55:13

But being able to talk is

55:15

more freeing, honestly. I'm

55:17

getting non-English speaking people still watching the

55:19

videos because I try and tell the

55:22

story. Every time

55:24

I render a video, I render it without a

55:26

voiceover and still shop sounds and then I render

55:28

it with a voiceover. And

55:31

for stuff that needs better understanding and when I'm

55:33

kind of selling a product or a brand like

55:35

Weaver, I think it's more important to do

55:37

the voiceover. When

55:39

it's appropriate, sometimes things don't need it and I

55:41

make that decision when I'm in the edit. To

55:48

jump back, whoa, my headphones went into voice

55:50

mode and now I sound all muted or

55:52

whatever it's called. To

55:55

jump back just a second, David, you were talking

55:57

about having a backup

55:59

plan and everything. One of the things that I've

56:01

realized in this last few months,

56:03

I've cut down on the number of videos per

56:06

month. That's

56:08

been really beneficial to me in multiple

56:11

ways. One,

56:14

I was able to do that because the

56:16

overhead went down with fewer salaries, then the

56:19

overhead was lower so we didn't have to

56:21

make as much, which meant I could make

56:23

more time to make each video, which gave

56:25

me more time in life and more time

56:27

to make them. That's

56:29

a good thing. That

56:34

margin that was created by doing that has

56:38

also given me time

56:40

to begin to think

56:42

more about backup plans and exit

56:45

strategies and the stuff that's inevitable.

56:47

None of us are going to be doing this forever. Whereas

56:51

before making a video every

56:54

week, I just was constantly

56:57

checking a box and onto the next thing. Checking

56:59

a box and onto the next thing. Now I

57:02

can work on something and then take a couple of

57:04

days and be like, okay, well now I can actually

57:07

think about that book that I've been wanting

57:09

to write, the one I've been talking about

57:11

for five years. Now I

57:13

can actually plan this next

57:17

new channel that I want to create. This

57:20

stuff that was always just like, well, I'll get to it

57:23

one of these days, but right now this treadmill is just

57:25

keeping me going and I don't have

57:27

time to think. Now

57:29

I've got time to think. Man, is

57:31

it cool to just be able to sit down

57:33

and not feel like I have to be super

57:35

productive. I can think. I can

57:38

plan. I can come up with an

57:40

idea. I can move

57:42

something forward just a little bit. This

57:46

week and next week, I

57:48

have started scheduling a little bit of

57:50

time in. The thing that we

57:52

talked about doing that we haven't done about music, I've

57:55

started scheduling a little bit of time to work

57:58

on book ideas that I've had. I

58:00

have always been like a two sentence idea.

58:03

Now I wanna outline them and get it to a

58:05

point to where I can start pitching these, this series

58:07

of books that I wanna do. Because

58:10

that's a thing that now

58:12

I have time to do and I would have time

58:14

to think about, but I would also have time

58:16

to actually write and time to produce while

58:19

still doing the videos at the pace that I'm currently doing

58:21

them. So I'm

58:24

finding all sorts of benefits to

58:26

this pace change and just

58:28

the way things have changed. And

58:32

one I didn't really expect is long

58:36

term planning, is being able to do some of

58:38

that stuff now. But

58:41

to breathe a little bit, you're not running. Yeah, yeah,

58:44

that's nice. That's good. I'm not

58:47

gonna put as much pressure on myself as well to

58:49

put a video out every seven days. Yeah.

58:52

I'm gonna take time where appropriate. If I need a week

58:54

off, I'm gonna do it. Yeah. It

58:58

feels good to do that. It feels good

59:00

to, I mean,

59:02

not to not produce anything, but it feels good

59:05

to have the freedom to not produce if that's

59:07

what you need to do. Yeah. And

59:09

by the way, when I say I take a week off,

59:11

I'm not just sitting around waiting for the next week to

59:13

make a video. I'm doing it right. You know, the things

59:15

managing all the properties and doing stuff. Yeah.

59:20

So there's a bunch of these videos that we

59:22

were talking about of people like changing or quitting

59:24

or whatever. You can go find all

59:26

those. I am gonna

59:28

put one from Caleb from DSLR Shooter. I'm

59:31

gonna put that one as my pick for

59:33

the week just because

59:35

I think he says things

59:37

well. And if

59:40

you're interested in seeing his take on the whole thing. And

59:42

I had a conversation with him. I've never really talked to

59:44

him. Had a conversation with him

59:47

after watching his video over like a DM. And

59:52

it's really interesting hearing about

59:57

somebody else that I don't really have any

59:59

experience with. being in a very similar

1:00:01

place and prioritizing similar things and talking

1:00:04

about creators holding

1:00:07

each other accountable for

1:00:10

the kind of life that we want to have

1:00:12

and not falling into the, not

1:00:15

letting each other fall into the trap of like, oh

1:00:17

no, I gotta just start working again a whole bunch,

1:00:19

you know, and that's kind

1:00:21

of a neat thing that I didn't expect to hear,

1:00:23

so. You

1:00:26

guys, any other thoughts on this? I

1:00:30

mean, I totally understand how privileged

1:00:33

this all is. Like, this

1:00:35

is the

1:00:37

dream job. This is what I

1:00:39

wanna do and it's been,

1:00:45

it's probably so weird to hear somebody

1:00:48

that you think is living

1:00:51

the dream life and having their dream job say,

1:00:54

I wanna quit, this is stressing me out. But,

1:00:58

so I understand how

1:01:00

privileged we are. One

1:01:02

of the things I've been doing lately is

1:01:05

over the last couple months, my

1:01:09

morning walks, my 30 minute

1:01:11

walks, no headphones, no phone,

1:01:14

just me and my thoughts. And

1:01:17

I've been sticking with that and then

1:01:19

on January 1st, I deleted all the

1:01:21

social media from my phone, even YouTube

1:01:24

Studio from my phone. And

1:01:26

I feel detached.

1:01:30

I don't post on Instagram anymore

1:01:32

because it's so much harder to post on Instagram now. And

1:01:37

Twitter's just, Twitter's just dead. So

1:01:39

I am enjoying

1:01:41

being detached from everything.

1:01:44

And I just- You were so active on Twitter. What's

1:01:47

that? You were so

1:01:49

active on Twitter. Yeah, well, you're good at

1:01:51

it. Some things have happened to

1:01:54

Twitter that made us

1:01:56

less vulnerable. about

1:02:00

it last week like you would get notifications

1:02:02

for things that you don't even care about

1:02:04

like come on exactly yeah it's

1:02:07

a I just feel better at being able to think

1:02:09

a little bit more I I've

1:02:12

stopped listening to

1:02:15

audiobooks even though I still have my

1:02:17

audiobook subscription I'm probably gonna get back

1:02:19

into that but I don't listen to

1:02:21

podcasts I don't listen to audiobooks for

1:02:24

the time being I don't I'm not

1:02:26

I don't even check my messages

1:02:28

or email until after I get

1:02:30

my 30 minute walk in

1:02:32

and then I do a little 10

1:02:34

minute meditation exercise then and

1:02:37

then I take my shower then I can check

1:02:39

my email then I can see if there's anything

1:02:42

going on and on Facebook or

1:02:44

whatever and I just feel so much

1:02:47

better I don't know how long it's gonna

1:02:49

last because I do kind of miss

1:02:53

seeing what's what's going on but for right now

1:02:55

I feel better just being able to think and

1:02:57

have a little bit more time to think yeah

1:03:02

for sure you're

1:03:05

talking about being grateful for the job

1:03:07

like I am as well and

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it's not lost on me how many people want to

1:03:11

do what we do one

1:03:13

of the videos I don't remember who said it one

1:03:16

of the people said a dream

1:03:18

job is still a job and

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I thought that was a pretty cool way to say like yes

1:03:23

it is a dream job but

1:03:25

yes it is still a lot of work and so

1:03:28

any work is work right but

1:03:31

I agree it's not lost on me how weird

1:03:34

and interesting and unique it is

1:03:36

to do what we do that's

1:03:38

pretty cool any

1:03:41

parting thoughts on the topic Jimmy I was gonna

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say one good thing about doing this is that

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we are in control and as you

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go down a certain path you start

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realizing this is not fun you

1:03:52

could change course and Bob you did it in a

1:03:54

drastic way and you

1:03:57

survived It's

1:04:00

not the worst thing in the world. It just reinvigorates everybody

1:04:02

involved and has an opportunity to do something new

1:04:04

and fun. And that's one

1:04:06

thing I gotta remember, even though they

1:04:09

say this is a job, you're not stuck in

1:04:11

a job. You can always change it. So

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I'm happy. Like I said, I

1:04:17

just temper my work routine and

1:04:19

the people I work with. I

1:04:23

try and snip those little V's

1:04:26

off early as possible by just

1:04:29

not answering certain people back. A

1:04:33

lot of times it's just because I'm busy. A lot of times

1:04:35

it's a very conscious decision, but if

1:04:38

you're waiting for me to call you back, it's most likely because

1:04:40

I'm busy. You're not one of those people. But

1:04:45

we can make choices in our life. We can do whatever we want.

1:04:48

That was very diplomatic. Real

1:04:52

quick, before we wrap the show up, last

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week I think

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we had a really interesting conversation. And

1:04:58

we got a surprising amount of

1:05:00

feedback. A lot of good feedback. After

1:05:03

last week's show on Twitter a little bit. I don't

1:05:05

go on there very often, but I did go on

1:05:07

and see a few of the things. We got a

1:05:09

bunch of messages and comments on Patreon about

1:05:13

the topic, but then also about the poll

1:05:16

free Patreon member thing that was explained to

1:05:18

me from some different people,

1:05:20

and that was cool. We also had quite

1:05:22

a few people jump on to

1:05:25

join our Patreon for the show because

1:05:27

of that, or maybe not because of that, in the

1:05:29

last week. But

1:05:31

anyway, thank you for the feedback

1:05:33

to everybody. I don't always respond

1:05:36

to every comment or every message that we get,

1:05:38

but I do forward them all to the other

1:05:40

guys. So all three of us see them and

1:05:42

stuff. Thank you. Good stuff. A

1:05:44

lot of times. Really good stuff. Yeah,

1:05:46

so thank you for all that response.

1:05:48

That was really cool. Speaking

1:05:52

of Patreon, I gotta

1:05:54

thank our Patreon supporters because they're awesome.

1:05:57

We did have quite a few people jump on. since

1:06:00

last week, so welcome and thank you

1:06:02

for the support. And those people

1:06:04

get the after show, which I don't know what we're gonna talk

1:06:06

about this week. We'll see. But

1:06:10

we'll do that right after the show, and it's a

1:06:13

separate feed for all the new people. It's a separate

1:06:15

podcast feed that you can get the URL for that

1:06:17

on Patreon, so go to your Patreon. You can see

1:06:19

it in the top right corner, I believe. But

1:06:22

big thanks to everybody over there that helps us out.

1:06:25

Our top supporters sticking around

1:06:27

have been for a long time. Big

1:06:30

thanks to Crabtree Creative, Michael Menedjian, Warren

1:06:32

Works, The New Janky Workshop, Scott at

1:06:34

Dad It Yourself DIY, Sean Beckner, Odin

1:06:36

Leather Goods, Rich at Low End Designs,

1:06:38

Chad's Custom Creations, Chad from

1:06:40

ManCrafting, Works by Solos, Al,

1:06:43

Solos, sorry, Bernie, Works by

1:06:45

Solo, Albers Woodworks, and

1:06:47

Corey Ward. But also people

1:06:49

like Max King of Camp Arrowhead.

1:06:53

Another one of our supporters. Oh yeah. Thank

1:06:57

you all, seriously. We

1:07:00

appreciate it. And if you wanna join that crew, you

1:07:02

wanna get the after show, go to make, no, don't,

1:07:04

go to patreon.com/making

1:07:07

it and

1:07:09

join up, or don't. That's

1:07:11

okay too. Thank you. Thank you. Glad

1:07:14

you're here. And I wanna thank all my new patrons. I've

1:07:16

had a lot of new patrons this week, so thank you everybody for

1:07:18

jumping in. And that's all I'll say about that. I've actually

1:07:20

had quite a few this last week as well, so thank you to them. Thank

1:07:23

you even more than Jimmy thanked you. How

1:07:25

about that? You're

1:07:27

better at it. My

1:07:30

pick, I already said, is Caleb's video

1:07:34

from DSLR Shooter, so I'm done with my

1:07:36

choice. What do you guys have to recommend

1:07:38

this week? I would recommend Marquez, the video

1:07:40

about talking about YouTube and YouTube as

1:07:42

a job. I don't even remember what the title is,

1:07:44

but it's YouTube-centric.

1:07:48

On quitting YouTube. That's it. Not

1:07:50

I'm quitting, on quitting, is what he said.

1:07:54

Check it out. My

1:07:56

pick is, I

1:07:59

had a pick. and I'm like I think I talked

1:08:01

about this a couple weeks ago. Did I talk about the

1:08:03

Tim Ferriss drumming video? Yeah

1:08:06

that was gonna be my pick.

1:08:08

So my backup is it's called

1:08:10

inside the Thomas Moser workshop. So

1:08:14

Thomas Moser is

1:08:16

this furniture company. It's

1:08:19

high-end furniture and so like

1:08:21

each piece is starting

1:08:23

at $4,000 and like books their

1:08:26

way up and we've seen them

1:08:28

in fancy catalogs whatever

1:08:31

and they have a YouTube account

1:08:33

and on one of their videos

1:08:35

it is inside the Thomas Moser

1:08:37

workshop and it's just

1:08:39

really cool to see how

1:08:41

high-end furniture is made. It's

1:08:45

handmade furniture but it's handmade on

1:08:47

a production scale like it's it's

1:08:49

really cool so that

1:08:51

is my pick and if you are

1:08:53

looking for inspiration you should

1:08:55

check out some of their work because it's it's

1:08:57

pretty phenomenal. Hmm

1:09:01

yeah I've never seen that channel before. That's cool. Awesome

1:09:05

well thanks for listening to

1:09:07

us everybody and thanks for

1:09:10

being here and thank you

1:09:12

thank you. Thank you everybody. Love

1:09:14

you.