0:01

So we've talked for a little bit

0:03

before we started recording and I didn't say anything because

0:05

I wanted to call you out on

0:07

the recording. Okay. Yeah,

0:10

I had a feeling you were talking to me. Yeah,

0:12

because you drove through my

0:15

town, past my

0:17

town, just north

0:20

and had lunch with two of my

0:22

friends and didn't even call me. Didn't

0:24

even let me know. You

0:26

invited me? I

0:28

was not invited. I

0:33

drove past your house at like midnight, so

0:36

I didn't think you'd want me knocking on

0:38

your door at midnight and asking you how

0:40

come your truck isn't running. Oh,

0:45

no, we drove through late, late, late at night. We

0:47

came from Atlanta and we left Atlanta late because we

0:49

thought, ah, it's only six hours.

0:53

It's not 15 or 18. And so we drove

0:55

through, we checked in into Louisville at like 1 a.m. And

0:58

that was pretty scary because Louisville seems like it, like

1:00

I felt like I was on the set of Omega

1:02

Man, the first one from the 70s. Did

1:05

you ever go into Louisville, like downtown? Yeah.

1:09

Yeah, it's scary. I didn't

1:11

think my truck was going to be there when I came out from

1:13

checking in and they did

1:16

have a parking lot, thankfully. And I, the first night

1:18

I just stared at my truck from the window of

1:20

the hotel room the entire time, hoping

1:23

it would be there when I woke up. When I finally,

1:25

the first night, that means you were in Louisville for two

1:27

nights and you still didn't call me? Yeah,

1:29

that's right. I didn't call you. Oh,

1:31

my gosh. No, the first date. This

1:33

podcast is over. I am offended. No,

1:36

after a couple of

1:38

days of maker camp,

1:40

workbench camp con work,

1:44

workbench camp con at the hotel, I was

1:47

just spent, Rachel was spent. I

1:50

was just fudging out and wandering around. And then that night

1:52

we went to dinner with the other guys from Bullet, because

1:54

it was a Bullet Bourbon event in Louisville. And

1:56

then the next day I went to

1:58

meet the guys at first build I went

2:01

and said hi to some of the guys Colin and Tim

2:04

and Josh was there of course and then Anthony

2:06

came and we went to Mexican restaurant at

2:08

about noon and while we

2:11

were eating I got the message from my

2:13

guy Bobby who's like you got to be

2:15

in Shelbyville by three. And

2:17

so that meant I had to get Rachel's scooper up,

2:19

get everybody ready, get everything ready and

2:22

shoot out to Shelbyville on

2:25

Tuesday and do all that and

2:27

the event went really well. It was

2:29

a simple thing I made lots of boxes,

2:32

the whiskey boxes and I also made lots

2:34

of coasters and they're introducing

2:36

a new mall liquor and this was

2:38

they had two shifts

2:40

of about 50 people each

2:43

and each one of these people are our

2:45

versions of what we do, influencers and

2:48

bloggers for the liquor industry.

2:50

A couple of the guys I ended up chatting

2:52

with at that event have millions of followers, it's

2:54

crazy. I'm like oh yeah I got how many

2:56

I got on Instagram, it's like a million two I think and

2:59

a couple of these guys videotaped me. What

3:03

I was there for was I brought a set of

3:05

monogram stamps and I stamped the

3:08

coasters, the leather coasters that I made. So

3:11

if you wanted your initials I stamped your initials

3:13

or maybe a short word or something and

3:15

some people took some as gifts

3:18

for colleagues and family and

3:20

they got into it. I didn't think it would be a big deal

3:22

but a lot of people did get into it and they filmed me

3:24

stamping their coasters and giving

3:26

them to them and

3:29

the event was good. So

3:32

all night on, was that Monday night?

3:34

I can't remember, yeah all night on Monday night hanging out with

3:36

the crew and then all night on Tuesday night and then yesterday

3:39

morning at 9 o'clock I

3:41

left and

3:43

then I was going to blow off chops with

3:45

Chris only because we were just running short on

3:47

time and then he sent me his address and

3:49

I was like I'm never going

3:51

to pass by here ever again so I swung in and we hung

3:54

out with him for about a half hour, videotaped

3:56

a couple of little vlog interviews and

3:58

then boogie and got home. home at about

4:00

2 a.m. so that what

4:02

should I have emailed you my address is that way

4:05

the great thing was he sent photos to us it's almost like hey

4:07

check this out

4:11

I'm in your area not with you here's some

4:13

photos from lunch from the

4:15

table like it wasn't even like two days

4:17

later oh I forgot to send you guys

4:20

these look where I am right now and you're

4:22

not honestly Bob out

4:24

of respect I just let you have

4:26

your space you like your spacing a

4:28

lot going on yeah but I like you too

4:30

next time you come through

4:32

here yeah please let's just have

4:34

lunch or something well you said

4:37

wave from the car that's what you said a couple

4:39

of fans welcome you like did you

4:42

did you wave to Bob when you drove passes

4:44

I did yeah

4:46

67 that goes north up from there I was like

4:48

six six five yeah when we got

4:50

kind of about 30 miles south of Louisville I

4:52

waved and I figured maybe Bob will see this

4:56

well I didn't because I was asleep yeah

4:59

well I mean to be fair I've

5:02

never been to your house and you have

5:04

been to my house so alright so the

5:06

the scales are unbalanced at this point

5:08

yeah yeah you gotta come to work bench

5:11

con camp outdoor hangout okay

5:13

I'm sober Jimmy camp

5:15

yep yeah Jimmy can't what's funny is

5:17

a lot of people in the a

5:20

lot of people at work bench con

5:23

assume even even some of the heavy hitters I

5:25

was talking to like the the guys

5:27

that you know have dinner by themselves without any fans

5:31

some of those guys Bob's laughing there's

5:33

a group of guys that have dinner

5:35

no fans so a bunch of those

5:37

guys thought that workbench con was

5:41

sorry a lot of those guys thought

5:43

that maker camp was exclusively me and

5:46

it's not workbench workbench

5:50

sure maker

5:53

camp is in my

5:55

neighborhood I'm not partners in it I

5:58

don't take anything from it I simply Simply just help

6:00

promote it because it's here and it

6:02

brings business to the town and all my

6:05

friends come to town So that's the benefit I get out

6:07

of it Is that all my friends come to town for

6:09

one day a year and I don't have to travel far

6:11

to what is now turning out to be one of the

6:13

most fun events that takes place and Austin

6:16

Handel who owns whose family owns the

6:18

Blackthorn Resort Austin is the main point

6:21

man for and the

6:23

in the creator of Workbench

6:27

camp That

6:30

last one was a joke. Maker camp. Yeah,

6:33

I know and Austin was at WorkbenchCon

6:35

Austin came just to just

6:37

brush up and say hi to people because at

6:39

this point Austin's a big part of what what

6:41

happens in the Maker community as far as gatherings

6:45

And he came to just meet sponsors and

6:47

people and fans and people that come to

6:49

the event Just to get

6:51

a vibe for what else is going on him

6:53

and Kristen are friendly They've they've collaborated on a

6:55

couple of concepts Oh, they've talked about a couple

6:57

of concepts for potential collaborations and Kristen comes to

7:01

Maker bench camp every year Workbench

7:06

It'd be funny, but I just I Think

7:09

coming to me to leave be Mmm,

7:12

Kat's kill Kristen has come to cats come out and

7:14

make the camp and enjoyed the festivity She she has

7:16

a lot of fun. She did a little blacksmith thing.

7:19

So we you know, all the different things that take place

7:23

cool Well, Jimmy you

7:25

can take a nap take a nap

7:27

and then David What

7:33

you been doing David this

7:35

every year I take this particular week

7:37

off and don't do a whole lot

7:39

so I So

7:43

today is would be my dad's birthday

7:45

and then tomorrow would be the anniversary

7:47

of his death and so Typically

7:50

every year I use

7:52

this week in that film Get

7:55

my taxes ready. So I have to go through and

7:57

categorize different transactions

8:00

and stuff and hand that

8:02

off to my tax guy and then I'll make

8:04

the trip to my hometown and and It's

8:08

one of those things. I just kind

8:10

of drive around visit old places and Yeah,

8:14

so I'm not really so I didn't do any work

8:16

this week but

8:18

I'm getting ready to for

8:21

next week, I'm gonna start making some skateboards

8:23

and and Yeah,

8:26

spoiler alert my pick of the week

8:29

is this website called skate CAD and

8:31

it is phenomenal You

8:34

it's a 3d skateboard modeling

8:38

app you can use the free version

8:41

and you can you

8:45

can spit out different types of boards and Then

8:48

you can make adjustments to all those all

8:50

kinds of crazy adjustments and not only does

8:52

it spit out a 3d model For the

8:54

board it spits out a

8:56

3d model for the mold So

8:58

if you are doing a press you'll

9:01

get the male female mold If

9:03

you're doing a vacuum press, you just need the male part

9:05

it is It's

9:08

phenomenal Yeah,

9:11

cool, so I I

9:15

Went and I bought I bought a

9:17

month of the pro version. I also bought Consultation

9:21

session with the guy that that runs

9:23

it You can use the free version

9:25

you can get everything you want out of the free version

9:29

But I wanted to so I had a one-on-one

9:31

with the guy yesterday Just

9:33

because I'm like hey, I'm not a skateboarder

9:36

But I like the all the art and

9:38

culture of skateboarding and I want to make

9:40

some That are just purely art

9:42

for hanging on the wall and

9:44

he kind of walked me through some Some

9:48

things some things I should know for vacuum

9:50

pressing and Things like that

9:52

So I'm getting ready to do that and the skateboard that I'm making

9:55

The art is all going to be like a

9:57

marketry veneer type thing and so preparing

10:00

myself for that. But it is, it's

10:04

a really really cool website. I

10:06

had no idea this existed. And

10:08

then I came across a couple really cool

10:10

YouTube channels where, I

10:13

mean, I knew that people make

10:15

skateboards but it's really cool

10:17

to see people make the different types of

10:19

skateboards and how and there's

10:21

many ways of going about it whether you've

10:24

got fancy tools or you don't have fancy

10:26

tools. And

10:28

then I've also

10:30

got, I forgot about fingerboard

10:34

and handboards which are miniature versions and you can

10:36

apply all the same technique. So I'm really into

10:38

this right now. I'm taking a bunch of notes

10:40

getting ready to do this and I don't have

10:42

my, I'm gonna make 10 of them that

10:45

I hope to, I bought

10:48

enough veneers to do 11. I'm

10:50

hoping I can get 10 out of there.

10:52

Maybe one one screw up and

10:57

hoping to have 10 different ones that

10:59

I could possibly sell and I haven't quite

11:02

figured out what the design is gonna be.

11:05

I'm thinking maybe all 10 if they were

11:07

together would be one piece of art that

11:09

would flow between them but then sell them

11:11

individually or might do 10

11:13

different ones. We'll see. But that's what I'm

11:15

working on now to start shooting next week.

11:19

Cool. Man, that sounds pretty

11:21

awesome. That website looks really cool. It's

11:27

just phenomenal that some dude just

11:30

made this website. It's like

11:32

Fusion 360 buffer

11:35

skateboards. And waste the

11:37

blur. Very specific. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. It's

11:39

so cool. Can I tell

11:41

you guys a story about handboards? Yeah. You

11:43

know, you were talking about handboards. I've

11:45

never been heard of a handboard. When I was a teacher in

11:47

the 90s at the School of

11:49

Visual Arts, one of my students, his name is Isao Andrews. You

11:52

can look him up. Isao now,

11:54

he's a successful fine

11:57

art painter. But Isao is a

11:59

skater. from like a skater, skater

12:02

culture and I think he might even be from LA,

12:04

I'm not sure. But he came to

12:06

me and said I have an idea. He

12:08

said a lot of guys are doing this but I, he goes I

12:10

started doing it on my own and then I see other people doing

12:12

it. He makes these little tiny skateboards

12:14

for his hands and he does all the kickflips and

12:16

does all the tricks and he made a little environment

12:18

for them. And he says do

12:21

you think I could sell this into the toy business? And I

12:23

said I don't know, I'll get you some meetings. So I gave

12:25

him some contacts and he was able to

12:27

sell it that to

12:29

Tech Deck I think was the name of the company in

12:33

the 90s. So the very first handboards were

12:36

from ESO, my student in

12:38

the 90s. And then it became a huge

12:41

category and I said to him, I said

12:44

to him do you still

12:47

get paid? And he said no, he goes they

12:49

just stopped paying me and I called up and

12:51

they're like you got paid enough, something like that.

12:54

But he did make several, I think he kind

12:56

of implied he made several thousands of dollars. And

12:59

another thing, this is just a little bit more of a

13:01

heartwarming story. I haven't talked to him

13:03

in years and now he lives near me. He lives in

13:05

Hudson and he reached out to me and he said, he

13:07

goes hey can we get together? And we did and he

13:09

had something heavy on his heart. I didn't know what it

13:11

was. And he says I want to talk to you.

13:14

He goes I always feel, I feel bad

13:16

that I thought you were mad at me

13:18

because when I did the Tech Deck thing

13:21

and I skated out

13:23

because I thought that you wanted money and there

13:25

was a miscommunication and I thought you were upset

13:27

with me. And he and I

13:30

had like a tearful hug and I said I didn't

13:32

think about that at all. And

13:34

he just miscommunicated that, he just misunderstood

13:36

that. And not for one second did

13:38

I want any money from him at all. And so we

13:40

had a nice hug and we reconnected over

13:42

that and so it was

13:44

a sweet moment. But sometimes people think

13:47

one thing and it's not even a

13:49

thing at all and years go by.

13:51

And then you connect and it

13:53

never was what you thought it was. It was nothing. That's

13:56

really cool that he reached out to

13:59

like Set the level and

14:01

like yeah, yeah, cuz I mean he was like

14:03

what did you know the most he probably made

14:05

I don't even know I mean 75

14:09

50 grand you know to a student that's a huge amount of

14:11

money like what I'm not gonna take that from I wasn't even

14:13

thinking that I just made the connection for him me and my

14:15

brother actually made the connection for him and that was it and

14:19

We lost touch, but he thought that I was mad at him, but I

14:21

was never met he saw I'm not mad at you You know that he

14:23

knows that by now But

14:26

anyway, he was the first person that That

14:29

had anything to do with those hand boards now.

14:31

They're everywhere. It's a complete category of toys So

14:34

there you go. Yeah, it's funny.

14:36

I've I've seen the finger boards before Yeah,

14:39

I've never ever heard of a hand board

14:41

and now I'm looking them up and yeah

14:43

There's a ton of them and it's like

14:45

a midriding right eyes. They're yeah like 11

14:47

inch. Yeah, that's in there That's

14:50

pretty wild This whole thing

14:53

started like I've always I've

14:56

always been I've had skateboards. I could

14:58

never do any anything but just ride

15:00

on it I've I've always

15:02

hung out with the skaters and then I've

15:05

always kind of wanted to make one and

15:07

I'm like well maybe Someday,

15:09

I'll do that and then I'll just do it for

15:11

art and then a few months ago Eames

15:14

as in Ray and Charles Eames

15:17

they're Whatever's

15:20

left like there's there's still an Eames Company

15:24

they teamed up with somebody else to

15:26

do custom boards. And so they have

15:28

there was this line of skateboards

15:31

released that look like the Eames lounge

15:33

chair and that had Those

15:36

colors mixed in there and I

15:38

was just like man I would love to have one

15:40

of those hanging on the wall. It just looks so

15:42

cool and you know, it's pretty

15:45

expensive so I never I never got one and then

15:49

Another channel that I follow ten hundred

15:51

just did a skateboard painting video Last

15:54

week or the week before and I

15:56

was like, you know what? I'm

15:58

gonna finally do this And so then I

16:01

just went down the whole rabbit hole of

16:03

collecting information, watching videos. I've got a book

16:05

called The Handmade Skateboard that was put out

16:07

by the same publisher that did my books.

16:09

And here

16:11

we are, it's like, it's my

16:13

current obsession right now. I

16:17

think that guy. Matt

16:19

Berger. That guy sent me, yeah, Matt Berger, he

16:21

sent me. Yep,

16:24

that's the book, yeah. Yeah. Or

16:28

maybe he didn't send it, but like his publisher, for

16:30

some reason, I've had that for a really long time.

16:32

It's got a quote by Nick Offerman on the front

16:35

of it too. Yeah. What

16:37

does it say anyway? It

16:39

says, I skateboard a lot. No, it says, this

16:42

elucidating treatise will elevate your

16:45

skateboard shop skills. That's

16:47

a total Nick Offerman thing to

16:49

say. Yep. So I think

16:51

between the three of us though, Bob, you

16:54

probably have the most skateboarding

16:56

experience, right? Yeah,

16:59

I mean a little bit. I don't know how much you

17:02

guys skated, but. Done, I skated

17:04

never. I

17:06

skated a little bit when I was younger. I

17:08

was mostly a roller blade guy in college. I

17:11

was gonna roller blades. And when I

17:13

was in middle school, or. Yeah, middle school I

17:15

guess. That was like the heyday, that was

17:18

the big streetscape, you know, kind

17:20

of era when it started. And I

17:23

remember my parents didn't wanna buy me a skateboard. And

17:27

all my friends who were all the skaters,

17:29

all had, you know, they would break boards

17:31

all the time and they would get new

17:33

boards and whatever. And, excuse me, since I

17:35

didn't have one, I

17:38

remember one day after school, my friend Brian

17:40

showed up with a board. And

17:42

they had taken all of the parts. They

17:45

took somebody's old deck that was still usable,

17:47

but pretty busted up. They took somebody else's

17:49

trucks that were, had been replaced, somebody else's

17:51

wheels, somebody else's bearing. And they built

17:53

me a used

17:55

skateboard out of all their old parts and

17:59

gave it to me that I could go skate with them.

18:02

And I remember it was Martinez,

18:05

that's a guy, right? Skater guy? Martinez

18:08

board. It was a board

18:10

that is a famous board. And I remember

18:12

it was trashed, it still worked, but it

18:14

was very used. So

18:18

I had this skateboard for a little

18:20

while and I skated with them for

18:22

a year or so and then people

18:25

at that age just start going in different directions

18:27

and stuff. So I kind of

18:29

stopped skating with them. It's

18:32

funny though, because over the years when I was

18:34

in college, at the end of college, or maybe

18:36

even after, my buddy

18:39

Adams and I, who used to

18:41

rollerblade all the time, we were just one night

18:43

like, hey, we should buy skateboards, we should start

18:45

skating. Yeah, that'd be cool, yeah. Like one of

18:47

those late night things. So we

18:50

started skating and I started learning

18:52

how to actually do things.

18:55

I remember I landed a kick flip for the

18:57

first time and I was just like, what, that's

18:59

so cool. And then maybe an

19:01

hour later I rolled my ankle and it hopped

19:03

really loud. And

19:06

that was the end of my skating career. So

19:09

to this day, that was 25 years

19:13

ago or something. I don't know, it was a long

19:15

time ago. To this day, at the end of the

19:17

day, I can wiggle my ankle, my right ankle a

19:19

little bit. After I've been standing

19:21

on it all day, I can wiggle it and it pops

19:23

in the exact same way that I did that night. And

19:25

I remember that. It doesn't hurt, it's just like something

19:28

changed that night. I hope

19:30

the editor puts in a little popping sound right there. But

19:35

about six months ago, maybe not even that long,

19:38

my second oldest boy,

19:40

he's in middle school and he was

19:42

like, he's skateboarded a

19:44

little bit but he doesn't know how to do anything,

19:47

he just likes to ride it around in the driveway.

19:50

He was like, I think I wanna get a

19:52

new skateboard. And I'm like, well, we've done this before, you've bought

19:54

a board, you don't really use it, whatever, and he's like, well,

19:56

I'm gonna buy it with my own money and I don't want

19:58

like a cheap one. I wanna, I wanna. like an actual

20:01

skateboard that I can learn how to do tricks on. Like,

20:04

alright man, so we started looking at boards

20:06

to try to see what was the standard

20:08

now and what is like a, you know,

20:10

not a Walmart special, but like a legit

20:12

skateboard with good bearings and stuff. And

20:16

so, like he does,

20:18

he got a new board, he bought

20:21

a helmet, and just

20:24

like started watching videos about how to ollie,

20:26

and went out and started learning how to

20:28

ollie, and then he started learning how to

20:30

shove it. And so he put all of

20:32

this time into learning these, kind

20:34

of the basic stuff for two

20:36

weeks or so, and then just like didn't

20:39

touch it again. So

20:41

we have a really nice Tony Hawk skateboard and

20:43

a really nice helmet, and you know,

20:46

I'm not gonna say that. But it's there,

20:48

maybe he'll pick it up again? Yeah, yeah, he probably will.

20:51

As a kid, you see one thing

20:53

on television or in a movie, and you're like,

20:55

that was cool, I want to go do that.

20:57

And you'll see some skater on there, and he'll

20:59

be back at it. Oh,

21:02

yeah, I mean, I had that, you know,

21:04

Rad, I watched the movie Rad so many

21:06

times, it was like, now I'm

21:08

a BMX guy, you know, and then gleaming the

21:10

cube and then now I'm a skateboard guy. Hell

21:13

track. Yeah. So I

21:15

love Rad. It's one of my favorite movies.

21:17

I usually have like a some movie playing

21:19

in the background in my videos. And

21:21

it's kind of like a fun little thing where people are commenting

21:24

on the movie trying to guess what it is.

21:26

I had Rad playing once. That's one of my

21:28

childhood favorites. Yeah. That

21:31

was one that I rented from the video

21:33

store a lot, like, you know, probably

21:36

10 or 15 times. Go on

21:38

Friday night, you know, you got to get there early enough

21:40

to pick out the good movie before everybody else ran there.

21:43

Is Robert De Niro in it? No, no.

21:46

Josh Brolin's in that, right? I'm just joking.

21:49

I never even heard the movie before. You've

21:52

never heard of Rad? Man, yeah. It was

21:54

a skating movie? Yeah, it was a BMX

21:56

movie. So the thing about Rad is it

21:58

didn't have distribution for... like 25 years

22:02

or something like that. So you could, so back

22:04

in VHS days you could run it and

22:07

of course we copied everything that we

22:09

rented back then so I've seen it a million

22:11

times and then I

22:14

think throughout like the most of the

22:16

2000s you couldn't get it legally anywhere

22:18

but you could you could find versions

22:20

of it and then just

22:23

I think maybe two or three years

22:26

ago it finally got distributed and now I own

22:28

a digital copy of it so you can you

22:30

can now watch it legally if you want to. Nice.

22:34

Josh Brolin was not in that. What movie am I

22:36

thinking of from that? Is

22:39

there Thrasher? Maybe I'm just goon. Oh

22:42

maybe this

22:44

is not important but I really want

22:46

to figure it out. Our child knows

22:48

they're very important. Oh yeah you're right

22:50

it's Thrashen. Thrashen. Thrashen. I said Thrasher.

22:52

Thrashen. Josh Brolin's gonna be

22:55

on SNL this week in case anybody cares.

22:59

We went to see Dune too last night and

23:02

he's in that. Oh that's why he's

23:04

gonna be in the public media format.

23:06

He's a menacing dude.

23:09

I don't know what he's like

23:11

in real life but as an actor like he he can really kind

23:14

of scary but anyway it was

23:16

a good movie. The

23:19

skateboard thing is really cool. I'm looking forward to seeing what you

23:21

do with that. Thank you. Yeah the

23:23

great thing is like if you

23:25

just look at a skateboard you think oh two

23:27

bends on the end but it's got a compound

23:29

bend because the edges are all bent up too

23:32

so this is my first time doing a compound

23:34

bend. So

23:36

did you you might have said this already are you doing

23:38

the the press or the vacuum?

23:41

I'm gonna do the vacuum. I don't have

23:43

the bottle jacks for the press but there are other ways

23:45

to do it but I'm gonna do I'm gonna do a

23:47

vacuum. Yeah when

23:50

I did mine a long time

23:52

ago I used I think it was the same vacuum

23:54

bag that you use before the rocket one.

23:57

Yeah it worked great like it was. It

24:00

worked not perfectly but

24:02

really well for the first attempt when

24:05

I did like the foam Mold

24:07

I had a pink foam and yep CNC

24:10

it and stuff Yeah,

24:12

that was really cool. That was one company. Well Let's

24:15

see. What have I been up to? I

24:18

finished the ping pong table member. I was telling

24:21

you about the yeah convertible ping

24:23

pong table. It's cool Like it

24:25

does it work well, it does work.

24:27

Well, I got done with it I was

24:29

by myself, you know and I got

24:31

done with it got the top mounted and everything and Kind

24:34

of off-camera ran through the transformation

24:37

and stood back and had

24:39

like this. Oh Wow,

24:41

yeah feeling I haven't had in a really long time.

24:43

Yeah, it was a really cool the

24:46

base opens, you know expands so

24:48

it gets longer but then There's

24:52

Just a weird thing about the tabletop being

24:55

centered on a base that can expand You

24:57

want it? anyway so I had to

24:59

come up with a way to make the tabletop

25:02

slide on top of a base that expanded and

25:04

so you have The tabletop does

25:07

the or the bottom does this and then

25:09

the tabletop is mounted to one of those

25:11

things But can slide back and forth within

25:13

a certain range so that you can center

25:15

the tabletop in both orientations And

25:17

it's really simple to do it's like just a track that

25:19

I Screwed in on

25:22

the underside of it. So it's a

25:24

little table. Does the tabletop become level

25:26

across the net? Yes So

25:29

the net is an adult. It's like you clip it to

25:32

the table It

25:34

turned out really cool. I was really excited about it and Kids

25:37

came home and saw it after school and be like

25:39

whoa Cuz it looks like a mini ping pong table

25:42

when it's flipped in half. It's just half

25:44

and So we

25:46

were joking about putting the net up across

25:48

a half table and playing like mini pong

25:50

You know where you have like two feet

25:52

of table that you can play across and

25:54

stuff Anyway, so I was working on

25:56

that. I got it as a regulation. What is the regulation

25:58

ping pong table? It is is four

26:02

and a half wide by nine feet long. Oh,

26:05

yeah, that's pretty.

26:07

So when it folds in half, it's

26:10

basically a square table. It's

26:12

not exactly square, but basically

26:15

square. And so it's

26:17

really getting the overhang, being able to slide

26:19

the top around was a

26:21

later addition, but it was so that when it's

26:23

in half form, we

26:26

can get people sitting up on all sides of

26:28

it because it's a perfect size for playing my

26:31

board games, big board games.

26:33

It's a lot of space. Everybody has space in front of

26:35

them. So it's a ping pong

26:37

table. It's also a gaming table. It's

26:40

got storage built into the underneath part that

26:42

you can access from the outside, even though

26:44

it moves and yeah, it's

26:46

pretty cool. So

26:48

I worked on that and that's done now, but

26:51

I was curious if you guys have

26:53

run into this and maybe this is just

26:57

right now, I don't know. Excuse

27:00

me. I

27:02

usually can stay pretty

27:05

well focused on a few things.

27:09

If I have two projects that I'm

27:11

working on, I can say I'm gonna switch

27:13

focus to this one thing and get some

27:15

stuff done on it and

27:17

make progress. And

27:20

then I can switch gears to something else. I can't

27:22

go back and forth a whole lot, but I

27:25

can stay focused pretty well. In the last

27:27

few weeks, and especially this week, I

27:29

find myself just getting

27:32

really distracted by just any

27:37

number of things. And I

27:39

know a lot of people struggle with that on a regular

27:41

basis, so I know it's not a new

27:43

thing, but for me, it's kind of a new thing and

27:45

it's weird. I realized a couple days

27:47

ago, I was telling Forbe this last night, I

27:50

was sitting right here at the computer and

27:53

I was answering email stuff. And in

27:55

it, I woke up, like how

27:57

did I get here? I don't even

27:59

remember. Coming into the office, I don't remember

28:01

sitting down, I don't remember why I'm at the computer. I

28:04

was in the shop just a minute ago and I

28:06

came in here for something and then got distracted by

28:08

something and then sat down and then did something and

28:10

then got distracted by something and got, you know. And

28:14

it was really strange because that's kind of

28:16

a new thing for me. Is

28:18

there something in the future that

28:21

you're either excited about or

28:23

scared of that's on your mind?

28:29

Hmm. That is usually

28:31

the thing that's... All of those? Yeah.

28:37

I can find... I find myself getting

28:40

to that point when I'm really excited

28:42

about something, whether

28:44

it's work or not or really... or

28:48

the opposite side of that, just

28:50

afraid or scared or worried and

28:54

then all of a sudden like, oh

28:56

yeah, how did I get here? I'm in my car.

28:59

I'm now... I've at my

29:01

destination. I don't remember getting here. That's

29:03

scary. What was I thinking about the whole time?

29:07

Yeah. I guess it's like your brain is just

29:10

distracted enough but your motor skills kind of take

29:12

over and you're just doing

29:14

something. How many times do you open up...

29:16

This happens to me a lot. You open

29:18

up Instagram to look up somebody specific, to

29:20

try and communicate with them because now Instagram

29:22

has become sort of an email service for

29:24

a lot of us. And you open

29:27

up Instagram to talk to somebody specifically and then you just

29:29

start scrolling and then 10 minutes go by and you can't

29:31

even remember who you went to talk to and

29:33

you got to go back a few steps to

29:36

try and jog your memory to be like, oh yeah, I wanted

29:38

to ask him about this and then

29:40

you go back in and it happens again. Yeah.

29:42

What's happening? That does

29:44

happen to me like on the phone. I think

29:47

this was surprising because

29:49

I physically didn't remember how I

29:51

got here. You

29:53

know? And my mind

29:55

was thinking, oh, I need to go to the office to

29:57

get something and then I walked in here and probably saw

29:59

a notification. And then like oh check the notification.

30:01

Oh, it's okay cool. Oh look there's new email

30:03

I'll do you know and it was just one

30:05

thing after another But it

30:07

I didn't complete the task that I started to do so it

30:09

was like I had this unfinished kind

30:11

of spinning plate that I Hadn't

30:14

you know grabbed? It

30:17

was really strange and it's happened a couple

30:19

of times recently so what I did yesterday I

30:23

Started you know the since we recorded

30:25

on a different day this week my Wednesday morning is

30:28

usually this and so yesterday I had it kind

30:30

of free and so I My

30:33

day was starting and I was like I

30:35

don't I don't want to be distracted And I think part

30:37

of it might be because I know in my

30:40

head that there's all of these things that

30:42

are undone there's a Huge

30:44

mess in the shop from doing the ping-pong table There's a

30:46

bunch of stuff that I've been meaning to move around just

30:49

to get it out of the way There's a bunch of

30:51

stuff that needs to be thrown away You know this big

30:53

long list of these are outstanding tasks

30:55

in my brain that are taking up space that

30:57

are on my shoulder and

31:00

so in An

31:03

attempt to try to like get rid of some of that

31:05

and be able to focus I was like okay I'm gonna

31:07

take an hour I'm gonna set a

31:09

timer from 9 to 10 this morning, and I'm

31:11

just gonna clean them I pick one thing to

31:13

do, and I'm not gonna work.

31:16

I'm not gonna look at my computer I'm not gonna

31:18

put my phone down Turn

31:20

on some music, and I just cleaned the shop for an

31:22

hour and eventually I looked at

31:24

my watch And it

31:26

was like it had only been like 45

31:28

minutes or something hadn't even been the full hour And I'd

31:30

gotten all this stuff cleaned up and put away and just

31:32

tools put back where they needed to be and it wasn't

31:34

done But I made

31:37

so much progress on a single task by

31:40

just Putting down

31:42

the distraction stuff and

31:44

saying this has an end time I'm

31:47

gonna do this for an hour and no more and at

31:49

that hour I'll decide whether I want to do more of

31:51

it or do something else And

31:54

it was really productive to do it that way And

31:57

I don't know that I can do that all the

32:00

time, but for some reason and stuff like those outstanding

32:02

tasks, like cleaning and organizing and stuff like that. I

32:04

think I'm gonna start trying to put in, maybe

32:07

not every day of the week, but put in a couple

32:09

of days a week, 30 minutes,

32:12

an hour upfront, first thing to

32:14

clear the mental load a little bit

32:17

so that I can then be less

32:19

distracted throughout the day. That's my attempt,

32:21

you know? Because

32:23

I think a lot of it is just outstanding

32:26

tasks that are not important enough to

32:28

take priority but are still taking up

32:30

some brain space. Yeah,

32:33

every morning I go for a 30 minute walk.

32:36

No phone, no headphones, just a walk. And

32:39

I'm not getting anything done

32:41

except I'm clearing head space. I'm just

32:43

setting the tone for the day to

32:45

not think. I gotta start doing that,

32:48

that sounds like a good idea. I

32:50

should say I use

32:52

that time to think and it's

32:54

that part of the day where there's

32:57

no screen in front of me, there's

32:59

no podcast, there's no book, there's nothing in

33:02

my ear. And

33:04

it's just me and what

33:06

I'm thinking about what I'm gonna do for the day.

33:09

But there's usually no agenda. Sometimes I don't even think

33:11

about the day, sometimes I just think about random stuff

33:13

or I'm just looking at trees in the sky or

33:15

whatever. It's just clearing

33:18

out the toxins in my brain. Yeah,

33:21

I think oftentimes I forget to charge

33:23

my headphones when I go for a run and so

33:25

then I don't have music or audio

33:28

books or whatever. And

33:30

usually when that happens, unless

33:32

I have something really pressing that

33:35

I need to think about, I

33:37

will try to actively not think about anything which is

33:39

kind of a weird thing to do. But I'm

33:43

not gonna try to solve anything on this

33:45

run. I'm just gonna go and let my

33:47

mind see where it goes but I'm gonna

33:49

try not to plan or organize

33:52

in my brain or make, whatever. And

33:56

that's kind of hard for me to do but I think

33:59

it's been beneficial the time. that I just let

34:01

my mind wander without

34:03

kind of an agenda, you know, or anything

34:05

to accomplish. But anyway,

34:09

in cleaning the shop yesterday,

34:11

it started

34:14

setting off, I

34:16

didn't really, I didn't put this together until just now, it

34:19

started setting off a bunch of, oh,

34:22

well, you know what would be cool right

34:24

here is a way to not have this mess in the

34:27

future and a way to organize

34:29

these materials are like, man, I have way too

34:31

much of this stuff. I don't need this. Like

34:34

I haven't used this stuff since I've moved here,

34:36

like almost seven years ago. Why do I still

34:38

have these materials just taking up space? It was

34:40

a lot of that kind of stuff that I

34:43

don't think I would have paid attention to if I

34:45

was still holding that task out as like, I'll get

34:47

to it one of these days. So

34:49

I think it was really productive, not only from cleaning,

34:51

but also kind of taking inventory of

34:53

what I have in the

34:56

shop and a whole half of the

34:58

shop needs to be kind of

35:01

gutted and just like cleared out throw

35:03

away most of it, and

35:05

then figure out what needs to go back and

35:07

what doesn't need to go back and what, what

35:10

empty space could be used in another way and actually got

35:12

a really cool idea I'm not going to give away now,

35:15

but about

35:20

like storage in a

35:22

compressible way in the shop, which

35:24

I think it's going to be really cool. So yeah,

35:28

it was, it was beneficial. And I think

35:30

it was all a result of finding

35:32

myself so distracted that I didn't know

35:34

what was happening. I'm like,

35:37

I got to do something about this because that's not cool. It's

35:39

a huge waste of time, you know, to like, just, I

35:42

don't know when I sat down. I don't know how long I've

35:44

been sitting here. I don't know how many emails I just got

35:46

through. That's a waste of time.

35:49

That could be way more useful or just not

35:52

on purpose. You know, it could be

35:54

not useful on purpose. And I think

35:56

that's beneficial as well. The storage in

35:58

a compressible way reminded me of the

36:00

80s commercials of like the clothes hangers

36:02

where you put all your clothes on

36:04

the hanger and then um then

36:08

it it um oh

36:10

yeah hang it down like it's down yeah it

36:13

pivots down so it just has one part that

36:15

hangs on the on the hook and then all

36:17

the clothes compress does that

36:19

thing still exist i'm

36:21

sure it does wait what does that say that again

36:23

uh i'm not good at explaining the mechanics of it

36:25

so let's say it's a clothes hanger but it say

36:27

it has 10 10 10

36:30

hooks for 10 different garments right and

36:33

then they're all kind of hinged together

36:35

so you got oh it's on one

36:37

rod and so they they fall down

36:39

and then one rod hangs on the

36:42

yeah that's like a way to carry a

36:44

whole bunch on one piece of material on

36:46

one piece of steel for instance yeah so

36:50

i just went to look that up because i was

36:52

going to just show to send a picture to jimmy in case he didn't

36:55

understand and hang

36:59

on sorry rabbit

37:01

holes no no

37:03

i mean simone's hanger pop

37:05

up well simone's hanger yeah

37:09

where is it okay

37:12

so i'm trying to find okay so hers

37:14

is on kickstarter but

37:16

the first thing that came up when i

37:19

i searched for collapsible hanger is

37:21

a timu ad for that same

37:23

hanger that she designed she

37:26

got ripped off so quickly is

37:29

she making it yet i

37:32

don't know well i mean the

37:34

it looks like the kickstarter is

37:36

probably over so i would imagine she's i don't

37:38

know if they're out or not but and

37:41

it you know it's not exactly the same but it's the same

37:43

idea yeah it's slightly

37:46

different man that's so lame

37:48

yeah and

37:50

yeah i mean they're selling them for like three

37:52

bucks a piece i guarantee she's not selling for

37:55

three bucks a piece paid sense yeah

37:57

timu it seems like it's like a virus that's just every

38:00

everywhere every single time you open an app it's like the first

38:02

thing you see. I mean

38:05

you know luckily she will still be able

38:07

to sell them I think

38:11

I'm finding that a lot where like anything

38:13

you make is gonna be made cheaper faster

38:16

probably before you somewhere else

38:20

but there I

38:22

think there's still gonna be the audience that

38:24

doesn't necessarily want the cheaper version they want

38:26

your version or they're

38:29

like don't trust the

38:32

cheapest version of something you know which is

38:34

really smart so

38:36

I think she'll still be okay but that's a bummer. Anyway,

38:40

coat hangers huh? It's

38:42

a really interesting conversation we're having today about skateboards

38:44

and coat hangers. So

38:47

anyway that's what I've been up to this

38:50

week and we did kind

38:52

of have a topic which

38:54

I don't know how we transition into that other

38:56

than just go into it. Jimmy, you asked a

38:58

question before we started. Well I was just joking

39:00

about money and we say how much is enough

39:02

and I always when it comes to money obviously

39:04

more is better but I always felt that I

39:06

was being successful if all my bills were paid.

39:09

If I didn't if I wasn't carrying thousands

39:12

of dollars in credit card debt which I don't carry anymore

39:14

when we first met I used to always carry tons of

39:16

credit card debt and that's all paid off now I don't

39:18

have any of it I never had to go bankrupt

39:21

but what is when is enough enough

39:24

and in the life balance you

39:28

could make a lot a lot of money there's

39:30

ways of making more money you know when people

39:32

complain about having money Howard my partner and I

39:34

always say work harder or come up with a

39:36

cool idea that pays a lot with less effort

39:39

and those are the two ways to make money

39:41

just work harder or whatever it is you're good at and

39:45

try and get more clients or income or come

39:48

up with a cool idea like a bendable

39:50

hanger whatever that might be and but

39:52

how much is it when is enough enough

39:54

for my bills are paid I still have a little

39:56

bit of money to play with to either make some

39:58

creative thing or to go. buy some interesting

40:01

thing to inspire me even further. I

40:04

always felt like that was enough. Some

40:06

people are driven to be multimillionaires and

40:09

they have to constantly keep reinvesting. You know,

40:11

there's a lot of this talk at Workbench

40:13

Con about tax this and

40:15

tax shelters and like I just zone

40:18

out. So I'm like, you know what, I'm

40:20

happy. I don't have to get into the minutia of all this

40:22

stuff. Everything's okay. So

40:24

for me, enough is enough because you kind of

40:26

get caught up in that conversation. You're like, wait,

40:28

am I doing enough? Am I, you

40:30

know, I do I need a tax shelter? I don't even care.

40:32

That's why I pay somebody to do it for me. And I

40:34

don't even ever talk to him and I don't care. And I

40:37

got plenty of money and I got all my things to pay for. And

40:39

then someone's talking about, you know, well,

40:41

if you do this little tax cheat and I'm just like,

40:45

when is when is enough enough? And

40:47

then when it comes to subscribers and clicks and

40:49

when is enough enough? And

40:52

I was

40:54

having this conversation with Rachel in the drive home last night

40:56

where it's if

40:58

I post something because it's really something I really

41:00

feel is cool. And I just

41:02

post it randomly throughout the day versus

41:05

posting every day or every other day at a

41:07

specific time so that enough people can see it.

41:12

You think is is is it

41:14

enough to just put it out there if it doesn't get picked

41:16

up by the wave and the algorithm, but it's something you feel

41:18

cool about. And at least there's several people that you're closest to

41:20

will look at it and go, oh, I'm really inspired by that.

41:23

I don't know what the

41:25

answer is, but I

41:27

tend to almost feel like

41:29

I'm happy. I certainly would like to have

41:31

more money to play with, but

41:36

I feel like enough is enough at this

41:38

point for me. And the people that are

41:40

constantly chasing the dragon and going for the

41:42

numbers and the numbers and the numbers and,

41:44

you know, it's part of that because I

41:47

can't get any better. Maybe I don't know. Maybe

41:49

I'm making an excuse. I don't

41:51

know. I'm not sitting here. You

41:53

know, I'm not sitting here in a wet diaper

41:55

being like, I guess it's good. I'm

41:58

just wondering just it was just kind of a. Philosophical

42:00

question when is enough enough? Well, I

42:02

think even that response to it like is that

42:04

because I can't do any better I think

42:07

that is that is like a I Think

42:14

that's a response to the pressure

42:17

of you should be doing more Yeah,

42:21

and then and then your natural reaction is

42:23

maybe I can't and maybe so maybe that's

42:25

why I'm I'm okay with How

42:28

things are at this moment? Yeah, but

42:30

I think that's wrong. I think Yeah

42:34

I've talked a little bit about the

42:36

last couple of years for me and how I've

42:39

changed a lot of my Responsibility

42:43

level and How much

42:45

I want to accomplish and one of the big things

42:47

over the last year and a half for me was

42:52

Deciding realizing and

42:54

then deciding that I just need to

42:56

do fewer things Just

42:59

in general, you know not and it's not

43:01

like do a worse job at anything Not

43:04

that I need to cut things out of my

43:06

life, but I just need to do fewer things

43:08

better Yeah, that's part of

43:11

that. I'm taking this year as well. Yeah,

43:13

and I think part of that is coming to

43:15

terms with I Mean

43:17

I can do a bunch of things

43:20

poorly with the intent of making more

43:22

money or trying to build like an

43:24

empire Or having you know with

43:27

to some unknown financial end But

43:31

like I'm gonna be miserable all the way

43:33

there and that It just

43:36

that's not Not

43:38

even remotely worth that

43:41

kind of effort to me, you know Yeah,

43:44

and I think what I found in trying

43:46

to make that decision and this is me

43:48

personally obviously, everybody's not gonna be the same

43:50

but over the last

43:52

six months or so I have been Happier

43:57

more relaxed enjoying my work content

44:02

way more than I was in

44:04

the last maybe

44:07

10 years? I don't know. I don't even know when to

44:09

put a time on it. But letting

44:12

go of that feeling that you

44:15

have to be doing more because the

44:17

bottom might fall out or because everybody

44:20

else is or because that's just what

44:22

we do in our job. Those

44:25

are terrible reasons to do anything. You

44:27

can't live in fear of things

44:29

that you can't

44:31

control. You cannot keep

44:33

up with other people because other people

44:35

have entirely different businesses and lifestyles and

44:38

personal choices and family situations. There's so

44:40

many variables in any comparison that you

44:42

try to make to anybody else in

44:44

your job. It doesn't make

44:46

sense to try to keep up with them. It's

44:49

not realistic. So if you can take that

44:51

pressure off of yourself of keeping up with

44:53

people, then

44:55

you get to decide what do I actually want

44:58

for me? Not relative to

45:00

other people. What do I actually want for

45:02

me? Then you can a

45:04

little bit more easily decide what is enough. Is

45:07

it security? Is it a million dollars? Is

45:09

it ten million dollars? Is it not

45:12

having to live month to month? Is it having

45:15

enough food tomorrow? You know what I mean? You

45:18

get to decide that for yourself. I think it's a

45:23

fantastic question for anybody to

45:25

ask if for

45:27

nothing else to start to separate what you

45:29

actually want out of your time and out

45:31

of your life and out of your weeks

45:35

versus what everybody else is doing in

45:37

theirs. So

45:40

this is something that I've... Don't go to

45:43

work bench co. This is something I've struggled

45:48

with recently. Not

45:50

as far as money but

45:52

of what I do. And so over

45:56

the last year

45:58

and a half, I've taken some

46:00

pretty extensive courses with these YouTube

46:02

gurus and learn like

46:04

oh like this is how you find good

46:07

ideas, and this is how you execute and

46:11

Some of those ideas worked really

46:14

Really well like we were talking about team. I

46:16

made a team move video. I bought team ripoff

46:18

team move products on And

46:21

made a video about it that video It's

46:24

got over a million views and then I bought

46:26

all the one tools and that videos got you

46:29

know I have a million views and they're

46:31

spectacle videos and they

46:34

work tool reviews

46:36

tool comparison videos they work and

46:38

something I realized recently is I

46:43

Don't like making them. I don't it feels

46:45

like I'm eating a candy bar when I

46:47

make them. It's satisfying to get the views

46:51

but when I go to look

46:53

at like if I go to my

46:55

my channel page and I look at and

46:58

I videos by

47:01

Latest I'm like I'm

47:03

not proud of everything here like I'm sort

47:05

of embarrassed by some of them and I

47:10

so I've gone through this change Mentally

47:13

recently of like I want

47:15

to focus more on making crazy stuff and

47:18

sometimes making crazy stuff doesn't get the views

47:21

that the spectacle videos do I'm

47:25

gonna figure out how to make that work because

47:29

Whether I get 50,000 views or a

47:31

half a million views. I'm gonna be

47:33

okay so

47:36

the So

47:39

the stereo stand I think was kind of

47:41

like this is we're starting with the stereo

47:43

stand we're gonna do things outside the box

47:45

and then we

47:48

made the the 10-board

47:50

or Cabinet

47:52

thing with no corners and now I'm doing

47:55

the skateboard thing I really want to focus

47:57

on being more creative and maybe I I'm

47:59

hiding the art pieces

48:01

behind tutorials. So the skateboard video is

48:03

probably going to be a why

48:06

you need a vacuum press in your shop and

48:08

we're gonna go over why this is my

48:11

favorite clamp in the world and then

48:13

we're gonna put it to use and then I'm gonna make what I

48:16

want to make so I can feel good about what I want to

48:18

do and so I

48:21

can't say that I won't do tool

48:23

comparisons and tool review videos in the

48:25

future because sometimes

48:28

they're easy to make and sometimes it's

48:32

easy money, but for right now I really

48:34

want to focus on the creative stuff and

48:37

that's just kind of where I'm at mentally. Yeah,

48:40

I mean that makes total sense too. You know,

48:42

I think you take those two things you got

48:44

like tool reviews or whatever the kind of generic

48:47

non-heart video, you know that you could make anybody could

48:50

make and then you have the thing that you really

48:52

care about. It is absolutely

48:54

reasonable to think I

48:56

have to do these so that I can do these. One

49:00

pays for the other and that's

49:02

how most jobs work. Yeah, I don't think that's a bad

49:04

thing. You know what I mean? but

49:06

I I think

49:10

probably the is it enough mentality

49:13

comes in where like I'm gonna avoid making

49:15

the art stuff because I could replace that

49:18

video with another tool review review

49:20

video and it's gonna make twice as much money and like that's

49:22

money and I could get more money and then I could put

49:24

more money into more money and then I you know, so Obviously

49:28

we all have to pay bills. We have

49:30

to take sponsorships. It's the exact same thing,

49:32

right? You have to do something you wouldn't

49:34

naturally do because it pays for the thing

49:36

that you would naturally do. And

49:39

I don't think that's even something to

49:41

like consider as as

49:44

a negative thing but the

49:47

end result the the

49:50

final outcome of your

49:52

efforts is Is

49:54

that gonna satisfy you? Is

49:57

that gonna be something that you're gonna be able to stop at the

49:59

end of the day? the day and be like, yeah, cool,

50:02

I'm done for today. Or is it

50:04

just, I'm never gonna have enough, I'm never

50:06

gonna be able to make enough videos, have

50:09

enough views, you know,

50:11

or why can't I have

50:14

as much as other people have? And

50:16

I mean, to be perfectly honest

50:18

and transparent here, when I look at some of

50:20

the other people who've been doing

50:22

YouTube stuff that we do, a lot

50:25

less time than what we do, and they

50:27

get like 10X, 20X views for

50:31

kind of similar content, I'm like, my

50:33

first reaction is naturally, like, what in

50:36

the, why can't I get that? And

50:38

then I'm like, wait a minute, we're

50:41

different people with different audiences. Any

50:44

similarities are accidental and

50:46

pretty slim. They

50:48

are different people and good for them that they

50:50

get that. That doesn't mean that I need to

50:52

get that too. And it doesn't say

50:54

anything bad about me that I don't get those kinds

50:57

of views. I

50:59

think being able to realize that

51:01

those are different things is difficult, but pretty

51:04

important, you know, to separate that out. Because

51:07

like you said, David, if you do

51:10

something that you actually really enjoy and

51:13

the views are not there, you

51:15

still got to do it. And if

51:18

that's your goal, then like that's enough, right? You've

51:20

got to do the thing, and if you can

51:23

pay your bills along the way, awesome. That's

51:26

great. But I think it's

51:28

a struggle. I mean, even looking, you know, this

51:32

is one of those situations where like the three of

51:34

our lives are different. When I look at my kids

51:37

and I think about, you

51:39

know, their futures and their

51:42

college cost, and even

51:45

like right now, being able to do all the

51:47

things for them and with them that we want

51:49

to do, it's expensive. It costs a lot of

51:51

money to put four

51:54

people into the world and set them up for the

51:56

best you can set them up for. And

51:58

so a lot of my, My perspective

52:01

of is it enough is can

52:04

I be stable enough for them to have

52:07

the life that I want them to have? Can

52:10

I make enough to provide for them the things

52:13

I want to provide for them? That's

52:16

not any different than like a spouse or family

52:19

members or anything. You're providing for someone that's

52:21

the same thing. But

52:23

that does add in a whole other level of I can

52:27

do things for me but I also have to do things for

52:29

them. And

52:31

sometimes that means I'm

52:33

not going to work myself to death. I'm not going to take

52:35

on sponsorship so that I don't believe in or anything like that.

52:39

Enough for me is security

52:42

and provision. And

52:44

so those are the priorities that I have when I'm making

52:46

decisions about the things that I do and how much of

52:48

it I do. Can I

52:50

provide provision? Can I provide security

52:52

to a point for

52:55

my family and for myself and for my

52:57

employees? So there's

53:00

a lot that goes into answering

53:03

that question and obviously it's

53:05

different for everybody. But I

53:07

know for me over the last year or so trying

53:12

to answer that question for myself

53:14

has been eye-opening and really beneficial

53:16

and I think has set

53:19

my life in a better direction. Being

53:23

enough is enough. What you have is

53:27

instead of chasing the dragon. Sometimes

53:29

enough is too much. I

53:32

mean it's really easy to

53:34

get caught up and think that you have to have

53:37

or the things that you thought you had to have actually

53:40

are weighing you down. That's

53:44

why I'm not buying cars this year. Your

53:48

truck collection is weighing you down. I went to go

53:50

trade in my truck a couple weeks ago and I

53:52

went in and we did the financing and

53:54

everything and I was just like what's

53:57

the point? I really need to just scale back.

54:00

And I didn't I was gonna trade in my 2018 for

54:03

a new truck for a suburban I

54:05

still want that but now is not a good time to do it.

54:07

I need to get a little bit more I

54:09

need to basically just cut the budget a little bit.

54:11

That's just because I'm I Find

54:14

myself overextending because I'm too casual about buying

54:16

things I'm not in any trouble,

54:18

but I would be if I keep going this casual

54:20

about things So

54:24

looking at it easy to happen Yeah, that's

54:26

crazy to happen when you have like a good you

54:28

know good season and you're like, oh, yeah Yeah money

54:30

does yeah It's

54:32

funny in the toy business we watch so

54:35

many toy companies rise and fall and

54:37

when they rise the first thing they do is they get like

54:39

the posh office so that they show them at the toy center

54:41

and My

54:43

brother always said you'll notice a toy company starting to

54:46

have problems when they stop giving away free drinks And

54:49

you go to the office and they said oh you want to

54:51

sell it? What do you want you want to you want to

54:53

sell to what you want a coffee? And then you go like

54:55

after like you have the meetings with them over the course of

54:57

like a year and they're like Yeah, we don't have anything to

54:59

drink if you want to get send somebody down to get you

55:01

coffee Yeah, cuz they like shut the kitchen

55:03

down That's

55:05

when the the accountants thoughts are real and it

55:07

ends like do we need to buy five cases

55:10

of soda a week? Let's not do that. Let's

55:12

not keep everything all the snacks

55:14

around and It's really

55:16

funny because It's a

55:19

thing when they stop stacking the fridge. That's

55:21

when they start tightening the belt So

55:24

before I get there, I don't want to have to

55:26

stop biting waters and soda for the house so

55:31

If I come to visit you and you don't offer me

55:33

something to drink I'm gonna yes The milk

55:35

one's right across the way if you want to go get

55:37

it. I'll be right here Bob You shouldn't go visit him.

55:39

You should drive by Hang

55:41

out with his friends in the neighborhood Send

55:43

them photos and then we should go

55:46

see Derek. Yeah Derek

55:48

would love for you to come see him. Oh Man,

55:52

he would love that. He had a really good. I love it.

55:54

He had a really really good time with the

55:56

Jaco He said he didn't

55:58

expect to have so much of it And

56:00

he wanted to give Jaco space. Jaco

56:02

is a very complicated, exotic animal. He

56:05

really is. And

56:09

I mean that in the best way. And

56:12

Derek said they had a really nice time together.

56:14

A lot of inspiration going both ways. That's

56:19

how Derek put up the movie. If

56:21

you see Derek's Instagram, he put up a movie of him

56:24

making an old sort of railroad camp lamp into

56:26

an LED. And the ad-rapper, the LED Jaco helped

56:28

him with that video. Jaco I think shot that

56:31

whole video for him. Just to give him some

56:33

lessons on film editing. Cool.

56:37

I didn't see that. I didn't. I don't think I realized that Jaco

56:39

shot it. Cool.

56:42

Well any other thoughts on this

56:44

topic from you guys? I talked a whole lot and I'm sorry

56:47

for that. Yeah, no. I'm gonna,

56:49

enough is enough. I used to

56:51

think that, well it really started during the pandemic. I was putting a video

56:53

out every single week. And I'm not doing

56:55

that now. I'm gonna wait until I have something really good to put out. And

56:58

if it happens to be two, three weeks in a row,

57:00

that's fine. But if it's not, then I'm gonna be okay

57:02

with that. You know, I felt at least rushed to produce

57:04

something every single week. Just because I

57:06

developed that schedule. But

57:08

now I'm gonna put out quality of a quantity. I'm gonna

57:10

try that. Occasionally I might

57:13

have an interesting video that just pops up and I'm gonna

57:15

publish that. But here it

57:17

is several weeks now since I published my

57:19

last video. Because of travel and whatnot. But

57:22

I got a few ideas I'm gonna start working on this weekend. And

57:25

I'm not gonna rush to finish them by next weekend if

57:27

they're finished. One of them is finished, one of them is

57:29

finished. That's

57:31

how I'm gonna take this year. I

57:35

think, final thoughts for

57:37

myself. Me giving myself advices. It's okay

57:39

to change your mind all the

57:41

time. And feel this way

57:44

about it today. Maybe I'll feel different about

57:46

it tomorrow. That's cool. Go

57:49

with the flow. Yeah, absolutely.

57:53

Right on. Cool. Well, I'm gonna thank

57:56

our Patreon supporters. Because

57:58

no matter how many times we change their mind, They're

58:00

still here and that's awesome. Big

58:03

thanks to them for being

58:05

supporters. We do have

58:07

people come and go, but there's always people there

58:09

to support the show and we

58:12

are very, very grateful for that. The

58:15

top supporters over there, been around for

58:17

a long time. Crabtree Creative, Michael Monegin,

58:19

Warren Works, Jeff at the New Janky

58:22

Workshop, Scott at Dadit Yourself DIY, Sean

58:24

Beckner, Odin Leathergoods. Sean

58:26

sent me something recently, he was

58:28

helping me. I can't remember. Thank

58:30

you Sean for the message that you sent. I can't think of what

58:32

it was at this moment, but thank you. Richard

58:36

Lohan Designs, Chad's Custom Creations, Chad

58:38

for Mancrafting, Works by Solo, Alberswood

58:40

Works, Corey Ward and Nick

58:42

Ryan. But also people

58:45

like Kevin

58:47

Eller. Thank you Kevin. I

58:50

met the New Janky Workshop at WorkbenchCon. It was

58:52

such a lovely couple. That was so nice. Thank

58:55

you guys. I was on a

58:57

call with them one time for, I

58:59

like to make stuff on Patreon as well. Very

59:02

nice guy.

59:05

Do you have anything to recommend?

59:09

Dave, you go first. I'm going

59:11

to go with the website SkateCAD, which

59:14

is fantastic. And then

59:16

their actual website is called Open

59:18

Source Skateboards. And

59:20

same with their YouTube channel. When

59:22

I say they, it's basically it's one

59:25

dude from what I understand. Open

59:31

Source Skateboards. That's such an amazing

59:33

concept. And

59:36

it just makes me so happy that there's

59:38

somebody out there doing this to help other

59:40

people get into this. That's

59:44

very cool. Well at WorkbenchCon, there

59:46

was me and Izzy were there and

59:48

Steve Ramsey was there. And somebody pulled us together and

59:50

said let's do a picture for the guys that have

59:53

10 plus years. And that

59:55

was us three. But also Chops with Chris

59:57

was there as well. And for some reason.

1:00:00

And Chris wasn't near us and he didn't

1:00:02

get in the picture. But Chris

1:00:04

has been on as long as Steve Ramsey, 16 years. So

1:00:08

shout out to Chris from Chops with Chris.

1:00:10

If you don't know Chris, he's doing a

1:00:12

lot of ASMR, is it ASMR videos? Is

1:00:14

that the sound? He says he's

1:00:17

doing well with making videos with just the audio

1:00:19

of the saws. And a lot of people

1:00:21

tuning in. So check out Chops with

1:00:23

Chris who does everything by hand, no electric.

1:00:25

In a little interview I do with him,

1:00:27

I joke around. I say he's

1:00:29

making tools. And I said, how do you

1:00:31

make a drill press or a mechanical

1:00:34

lathe, all pedal powered, without

1:00:38

a lathe, without a south bend lathe, for

1:00:40

instance, to make collets and mandrels. And he

1:00:42

goes, bite your tongue, I never use electric

1:00:44

for anything. So he's making tools with

1:00:48

pedal powered tools, making other tools for

1:00:50

pedal powered tools. So

1:00:52

check out, if you don't know Chris, he's one of

1:00:54

the OGs. He always wears a yellow Notre

1:00:56

Dame shirt because he played on Notre Dame. Oh

1:00:59

did he? I didn't know that. I thought he went

1:01:01

to the school. No, no, he was in this little

1:01:04

interview. There's some things I don't want to show because

1:01:06

it shows his full name and everything. But

1:01:08

because that's a secret, he doesn't want

1:01:11

anybody to know that. But I saw

1:01:13

all his memorabilia. He's got

1:01:15

a beautiful setup of his

1:01:17

memorabilia from his days at Notre Dame in 89. Wasn't

1:01:20

Chris part of a podcast many years

1:01:22

ago? I don't. Was

1:01:24

he? I don't know. I don't even remember. I

1:01:28

can't think of the name of it. I think it was with Tom

1:01:31

and... Shoot.

1:01:35

It'll come to me later. And I could be totally wrong.

1:01:37

I have a terrible memory, but I'm pretty sure you have

1:01:39

podcasts way before we had a podcast. Hmm.

1:01:42

Oh, maybe. Yeah. That's right. Because I said to him,

1:01:44

I go, I know you've been here longer than me.

1:01:46

I've been at it for about 12 or 13 years.

1:01:49

I said, how long you been at? I thought he was going to say 14 years. He

1:01:52

says, no, I started right when YouTube started. That's when I started.

1:01:54

He said, just started making videos right there and then 2006. So

1:01:58

he said, maybe right there. out, just right after

1:02:01

that. I got my

1:02:03

channel in 2006, but I didn't do anything

1:02:05

with it until 2010 or 2011. 2011

1:02:07

is when I started playing with it. I

1:02:11

just secured my name because I was doing a TV show at

1:02:13

the time and they're like, make sure no one tells your name

1:02:15

on this new thing called YouTube. So I

1:02:17

just parked my name. Well

1:02:21

mine is a very

1:02:24

different kind of video, and it's four and a

1:02:26

half hours long. Cool.

1:02:29

It is an intro to DaVinci

1:02:32

Resolve. So it's an online course,

1:02:34

a free four and a

1:02:36

half hour pretty deep dive.

1:02:38

I haven't watched it all yet, but getting

1:02:40

somebody started. What is DaVinci Resolve?

1:02:42

So it's a video editing software, free

1:02:45

video editing software, which is incredibly

1:02:48

powerful. We used Final

1:02:51

Cut for a really long time, and over

1:02:53

the last year, a half, two years maybe

1:02:56

we've been switching over

1:02:59

to Resolve. I mean

1:03:02

it's a different workflow, but it's really powerful.

1:03:04

They use it for lots

1:03:06

of feature films and stuff like that. But

1:03:09

the fact that there's a free version of it that is basically

1:03:12

fully featured for the entire process of making

1:03:14

a feature film, I think is one of

1:03:17

the big things. Running

1:03:23

from one to another of any editing suite

1:03:25

is hard because you have muscle memory and

1:03:27

you have shortcuts and all that type of

1:03:29

stuff. So this guy

1:03:31

named Casey Ferris has a channel

1:03:33

that's all about, I

1:03:35

think it's all Resolve stuff. It may just be video stuff

1:03:38

in general, but he does a lot of Resolve

1:03:41

videos and he just put out last

1:03:43

week a four and a half hour

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master class. So

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you can just learn it for free, which is pretty

1:03:49

awesome. So if

1:03:52

you're looking to get into it,

1:03:54

that's a good place to start. And if

1:03:56

you don't want to watch the four and a half hour version, he

1:03:58

has a bunch of individual tutorials as well. I'm

1:04:01

just going to put a little warning because it came up

1:04:03

at workbench con. Some guys

1:04:05

are using catfishing, they're catfishing and they're

1:04:07

using free something for DaVinci

1:04:10

Resolve and that's how Matthias got hooked. So

1:04:12

you've got to be careful. If you're a

1:04:15

creator and you're out there and someone says, hey, would

1:04:17

you do an advertisement or would you be interested in

1:04:19

promoting DaVinci Resolve? Be careful. That

1:04:22

could be the catfishing guys because that's how

1:04:24

Matthias got hooked and that's how my friend

1:04:27

over at That Works, Matt

1:04:29

Stagmer got hooked. That's how I get hooked from

1:04:31

DaVinci Resolve. Interesting. So just

1:04:33

be careful. Don't click on any links. If

1:04:35

they want you an advertising with you, just

1:04:37

say email me or call me. Don't

1:04:40

click on anything. Just write back and say if this is

1:04:42

a real thing, email me or call me directly and we'll

1:04:44

talk about it. So we can get around it. I've

1:04:47

actually gotten that email before now

1:04:50

that I'm thinking about it. Yep,

1:04:53

I have. Huh, interesting. I knew it

1:04:55

was a good one. What is the email front? I think

1:04:57

it was locked in. Is it like xyzpdq.cz.hl?

1:04:59

Yeah, something like that. I can't find it now. I

1:05:01

just had it. It just infected your

1:05:04

life. Yeah,

1:05:15

it's one of those .pz something. You

1:05:20

guys were here while I was away this week.

1:05:22

I got an email that says we

1:05:25

need you on the Joe Rogan podcast. It's like,

1:05:27

oh, interesting. It's what I clicked on. It's

1:05:30

not the . . . it says Joe Rogan. It says a whole

1:05:32

paragraph about who Joe Rogan is, if nobody knows who he is. And

1:05:35

then it's like, we're going to do a Facebook Live session,

1:05:37

which you pick your session. Joe

1:05:39

loves you. He loves what you do. Pick a session so

1:05:41

you can talk to him live on Facebook. And there's

1:05:43

like seven things to click on, like dates. And

1:05:46

I write back, I'm like, this is really cool. Who's Joe Rogan?

1:05:48

So I got into a little conversation with him. We're going back

1:05:50

and forth. He's like, great. We're going to give you the 13th

1:05:52

of March at this time. Just click it to lock it in.

1:05:55

And I was like, great. I'm going to be there. Awesome. And

1:05:57

I said, what should I wear? And they're right back. But

1:06:00

I just really need to lock you and just click this

1:06:02

link right here. It's like, great, I'll see you there. And

1:06:06

then this morning I get the email back. It just says, just

1:06:08

following up, need to know that you're going to lock it in.

1:06:10

And I say, great, I'll see you there. I

1:06:12

haven't clicked on anything. I'm just baiting them. I'm a

1:06:14

little nervous to even open the email again. But

1:06:18

that was just before we started. I said, great, I'll see

1:06:20

you then. And they're trying to get

1:06:22

me to click on to like secure my space in

1:06:24

the calendar. Just

1:06:27

log in with your social security number. Cool.

1:06:32

Well, I guess that's it. Unless you

1:06:34

guys got anything. Another good therapy session.

1:06:36

Yeah. Yeah, enough is

1:06:38

enough. Enough is enough. It is. Thanks

1:06:41

for listening everybody. We'll see you next time. Love you.

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Love you. Love you. Love you. Love

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you. Love you.