0:00

Well, how are you guys? What's new? I'm

0:05

doing okay. Okay.

0:08

Doing okay. Doing okay. Those

0:10

are two very different okay's. So we

0:13

have David's okay that's like, smiling, bobbing

0:15

the head. Yeah, I'm okay. I'm good. And

0:17

then Jimmy that's like, hanging his head a

0:19

little bit, keeping his mouth

0:21

closed. That's just because I'm covering up my double chin because

0:23

now that we're filming it, it'll be printed. Okay. No,

0:27

I'm okay. You know, I honestly, somebody sent

0:30

me a thing about somebody doing something that

0:32

they only have the ability to use their

0:34

feet. And I just said, you know, was

0:37

this the message? It was a positive message

0:39

of somebody that only has feet

0:41

and they seem to be born that way. So they

0:43

don't know anything better. But in

0:46

a message back saying, being

0:50

able body is winning in

0:53

general, you know, being able body is just like there,

0:56

but for the grace of God, go, go

0:58

I, right? It's like, it's, it's crazy. And

1:00

you know, the older we get, the

1:03

more you value just being able to get

1:05

up and move around and be healthy. My

1:08

mood is directly. Take that for

1:10

granted. My mood is directly

1:12

affected by what I'm

1:15

working on that particular week or month.

1:17

Like I just finished up something that

1:19

was really satisfying. So I'm like, everything

1:21

is great. You know, the

1:24

shop is coming along. Everything just feels

1:26

really good. I don't care about analytics

1:29

right now or whatever. Everything just feels great.

1:31

And then next week I'll probably have to

1:33

work on something I don't want to work

1:35

on. I'm like, this is stupid. This is,

1:37

this is the end. Why do I

1:39

do this to myself? Why do I do this? Yeah.

1:42

My friend sent me a message. I said, how are you? And

1:44

he's having really complicated

1:47

health issues. And I

1:49

didn't, he sent me everything that was horrible. And I didn't know what

1:51

to say back. I just said, well, at least you're on the right

1:53

side of the grass. And I

1:55

sort of wrote back and he sent back like a

1:57

smiley emoji. But sometimes that's how you

1:59

have to really. just assess things as long as you're on the

2:01

right side of the grass. Yeah. It

2:04

is kind of a cliche thing to

2:06

say, but gratitude

2:09

in, I've found this

2:11

in the last couple of years, gratitude in even

2:13

the smallest ways is

2:16

much bigger than the negative

2:19

stuff in

2:21

the same situation. So like if you

2:23

have piles of negative, piles of hardship,

2:26

just a little bit of gratitude has

2:29

a bigger effect, at least on me, on

2:31

my attitude and on my heart and just the way

2:33

that I think about life and stuff.

2:37

So when I've been going through hard stuff

2:39

in the last couple of years, just taking

2:41

a minute to try to get

2:43

over myself and think

2:45

about something that I have that I don't

2:47

deserve, which is pretty much everything, that

2:50

little bit of gratitude can really shift your

2:52

perspective. It doesn't make the

2:54

hard stuff go away, of course, but it

2:57

can really pull you out of the

3:01

kind of downward spiral of like, well, this is

3:03

bad and this is bad and this is hard

3:05

and that makes this hard and it's

3:08

very easy to fall into. So

3:10

yeah. We're right into

3:12

a seminar. Remembering that you

3:14

have limbs that work and not everybody does

3:16

and that you didn't do anything to deserve

3:19

those limbs. That's

3:21

pretty profound, you know, when you're having

3:23

a hard time. Thank

3:26

you for coming to our TED Talk. We

3:28

will see you next week on the Making

3:31

It Self-Improvement podcast. Just kidding.

3:33

Yeah. It

3:35

is a good thing to remember though, for sure.

3:37

For sure. Yeah. I

3:39

saw this video and it's going to be my pick at

3:41

the end, but and

3:43

I sent it to you guys yesterday and it's called Get

3:45

Over Yourself. And it's by this guy named

3:48

Bo Miles and it

3:50

was one of those, you

3:52

should watch it, anybody should watch it, but especially

3:55

creators because it really does.

3:59

It's a video about. somebody taking a moment

4:01

to step outside of their own burnout

4:04

situation and just like get

4:07

some perspective and watching

4:10

him do that gave me a moment of that yesterday

4:12

and I thought that was really cool. It's

4:15

a good video but we can talk about it more

4:17

later if you want to. David,

4:20

you said you've been working on something. You're excited.

4:22

You're smiling a lot. You said you've been working

4:24

on something. You've been doing that. It's made you

4:26

feel that way. I

4:28

think I mentioned it last week but

4:30

we finished up the mobile table saw

4:32

station for the budget shop. So

4:35

we took a little when

4:37

contractor saw and made

4:39

this just made it

4:41

into the title

4:44

of last week's show the big boy

4:46

saw and I

4:49

bought another mobile base for one

4:51

of the other tools. So that

4:53

other shop doesn't feel like such

4:55

a chore to use now because

4:57

before nothing was in place and

5:00

to do anything over there was a full

5:02

like 45 minutes of moving things around and

5:04

getting things ready. Now it's only 10 minutes

5:06

of moving things on. I still got to

5:08

back a car out. I still have to

5:10

pull out tools. Yeah, it's

5:13

a big improvement. And then

5:16

as I was as things

5:18

were starting to come together I was like

5:21

this there's still a little bit of friction to

5:23

use the shop but it's so

5:25

much better and I decided

5:28

to make another video on my

5:32

fancy shop compared to my

5:34

my garage shop. And

5:37

so I'm finishing up that edit now. So

5:39

I've actually got two videos coming out within

5:41

the next week. And

5:43

it's just we go back and forth between

5:45

the two shops comparing like this is what's

5:48

amazing about this shop. And

5:50

this is what sucks about this shop. This

5:53

you know like why having a bigger

5:55

table saw or why having more spaces.

5:58

I mean it's obvious why I have and these

6:00

things are valuable, but it's cool to

6:03

see the contrast. Because I think I

6:05

have a unique perspective of having

6:07

a big fancy shop, but then going backwards

6:09

and setting up a tiny little one car

6:11

garage shop. And so

6:14

we're finishing up that video right now. Cool.

6:18

Awesome. Yeah, oddly

6:20

enough, I'm going through, I mean, we talked about it,

6:22

compressing my wood shop a little bit, and I still

6:24

have the same stuff. So it's not the same situation

6:26

because I'm not like downgrading the

6:29

tools specifically, but compressing

6:32

the space and having to rethink it a

6:34

little bit for a smaller area is, it

6:36

was actually kind of fun. It's actually kind

6:38

of cool to, yes, I can do

6:40

the same thing in the smaller area. Of course I

6:42

can. You know, not like I have

6:44

to have a certain thing or a certain area.

6:48

Also last night, so

6:51

maybe six months ago, five months

6:53

ago, I got another

6:56

CNC and

6:58

a plasma cutter for the

7:01

CNC. It's a

7:03

whole thing Stepcraft has. And

7:05

I got this

7:07

months ago and I started to

7:10

put it together. And then I

7:12

just got, well, they have a manual

7:14

and the manuals are really good on step by

7:16

step, but then they put out a video series

7:18

of also how to get it all set up.

7:20

And so I started watching the video series and

7:23

then the video series wasn't done. So I stopped

7:25

assembling the thing. Where

7:27

the video stopped. And then-

7:29

That's from the factory. Yeah, yeah.

7:33

And so I lost my momentum

7:35

of putting it all together. And

7:39

so then it just got pushed aside. Then they

7:41

finished the video series and

7:44

it's just taken me months to get back

7:46

into the groove of finishing it together. Cause

7:48

it looked like there was just so many

7:50

other pieces. I was just

7:52

like, this is gonna take forever. I'll just

7:54

set it aside. And so last night I'm

7:56

like, I'm going to finish putting together the

7:58

CNC plasma cutter. And it turns

8:01

out all those extra pieces was for

8:03

other things if you wanted to use the

8:05

CNC as a wood carving machine. And

8:09

it took... Additional accessories? Yeah, it

8:11

took like 45 minutes to finish

8:13

putting the stupid thing together and

8:15

it's been sitting in this

8:17

state for months. You were at like

8:19

step 9 of 10 the whole time?

8:21

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It just looked like

8:23

there was so much more work to do. And so

8:25

now I'm waiting on... I

8:27

need an Ethernet to USB

8:29

adapter so that's coming in the mail today

8:31

so I can hook this thing up to

8:34

the computer. I also have

8:36

to swap out the 220 volts...

8:42

I don't know my electrical terms. The

8:44

plug has a different configuration

8:46

and so I got that recently

8:49

and I just got to cut the power

8:51

and switch it out and I should be plasma

8:54

cutting metal on a CNC machine here real

8:56

soon. Cool. That'll

8:58

be fun. It's a lot of fun. Yeah. So

9:01

I've been looking at bending brakes which one to get

9:03

and I think Eastwood has the one that

9:06

I want that's not too big but

9:09

usable. What are your plans

9:11

with that? With those two things together? Do you

9:13

have stuff in mind? Yeah.

9:17

So one of the

9:19

first things that I want to do

9:22

is I'm creating... This is so

9:24

nerdy. I'm creating

9:26

a groove box station for

9:29

music with different rack

9:33

mountable analog synths and

9:35

a sampler drum machine. And so it's

9:38

almost going to have this arcade style

9:40

and it's all going to be connected

9:42

together in a sequencer. And

9:45

typically you would just take these things and you would

9:47

rack mount them in a rack.

9:50

But I'm going to cut all

9:53

the metal faces so there's going

9:55

to be three different of these

9:59

synths. and they look, they're from three

10:01

different brands, but I want to make

10:03

this uniform look so it's all one

10:05

piece. And that's one

10:08

of the first things that I wanna

10:10

do. I also have a VCR that

10:12

I got that I want to re-face. I

10:16

wanna do wooden sides, but then recut

10:18

the metal face. So these are the

10:20

things that I wanna do with the

10:22

plasma cutters, cutting thin sheet metal

10:24

and re-effacing things, yeah.

10:28

So Jimmy, you have experience here with the

10:30

sheet metal. How much detail is he gonna

10:32

be able to get in

10:34

sheet metal with the plasma cutter? You can

10:36

get really fine cuts if you use thin,

10:38

thin stuff. Really? It's the

10:40

thicker stuff, the focus tends to go away a

10:43

little bit when you're making sharp corners and

10:45

stuff. That is my fear of, I can't

10:47

find a lot of information on cutting really

10:50

thin metal with a plasma cutter. Like

10:53

everything is super easy. It's gonna leave

10:55

a clean cut? Yeah, it

10:57

should, yeah. but

10:59

when it comes to thicker metal, when

11:01

you're cutting, say for instance, 3 1�8 of an

11:03

inch, you're gonna leave a lot of slag behind

11:05

because you're removing all that depth and it leaves

11:07

a lot of goo on both sides of the

11:09

cut. But when you're only cutting, say

11:12

20 gauge or 18 gauge, it

11:15

flies through it, flies. But

11:18

when it comes down to tiny little, it all depends

11:20

on also the nozzle on your cutter if you have

11:22

the right, if you have the appropriate

11:25

amount of, what

11:27

is it, wattage, I don't know, what do

11:30

they call it? Like when the thing has a certain amount

11:32

of wattage, I'm just having a brain fart. An

11:34

80 watt, which I

11:36

think that's a voltage watt. 80 voltage, probably. Yeah,

11:39

so you're gonna use a less voltage for something

11:41

thinner. You make sure you have the appropriate tip

11:44

for your cutter. There's

11:46

a range, like I know in the Flexcut 80, which is

11:48

what I have, when you're cutting up to 80, this

11:51

tip, when you're cutting between up to 60, there's this tip,

11:53

and when you're cutting up to 40, which

11:55

should be the thinnest, you have a different tip. So you gotta make

11:57

sure you have the right tip and the gun so that you'll get

11:59

that. fine, fine cut that you're looking for.

12:02

Gotcha. And every brand is different. This is

12:04

a Lincoln. And

12:06

then in my research for bending brakes, Bob

12:12

had an old video come up that I watched. You

12:14

made a bending brake. Yeah.

12:18

At first, I thought I was going to make

12:20

one because everything either seemed too big or too

12:22

small. But then I found the one on Eastwood

12:24

that has the different size fingers. I'm not sure

12:26

what the terminology is. So you can go via

12:28

box brake. Pull them around, bend up a

12:30

side. So I think I'm going to go with that. That's

12:36

cool. That'll be fun. You got to just

12:38

see what the, since you're going to be in thin, you're going to be

12:40

in the thin range. You should be OK. But

12:42

most bending brakes will only handle 20

12:44

gauge. You

12:47

know, small ones that you would be able to get in the mail

12:49

just because of the stoutness of them. So you just got

12:52

to make sure that whatever you're cutting and what are your

12:54

bending is obviously going to work together. Yeah.

12:58

Cool. That's exciting. That's like, I feel

13:00

like that's a new place

13:03

to go for you. It's a whole

13:05

new thing. And I got a program

13:07

called Sheet Cam. I'm not

13:09

familiar with it at all, but something else I

13:11

got to learn, I guess. It's

13:14

pretty simple. It's probably like Illustrator with

13:16

just straight flat cuts. It's like 2D

13:18

CNC. It's all it is. OK. Yeah,

13:21

I've only used it a couple of times for

13:23

my plasma. But it's pretty straightforward. Cool.

13:29

Jimmy, what have you been doing? I

13:33

did successfully made my bucket that I talked about

13:35

last week. And that's a fun video. And the

13:37

video is doing well, getting some really nice comments

13:40

on that. I don't

13:42

mind to mean to call you out, Dave.

13:44

But you said there's a conversation

13:46

about my table saw usage in that video.

13:50

So my I mean. There's that conversation. And

13:52

I didn't ask you before we started, but

13:54

I'll ask you now. Are

13:56

people roasting me? Or what do they say? So

13:59

I have a question. I actually brought it up over

14:01

on my Discord. I'm like, because I

14:04

knew it would be a great conversation.

14:06

I'm like, and

14:09

I pretended like it was all secret. I'm like,

14:11

just between you and I, what do you guys

14:13

think about Jimmy's freehand cutting on the

14:15

table saw? And then people were like, oh

14:17

my God, I would never do that. Nothing

14:22

bad is said. It was just kind of like, it's

14:25

unknown territory for most people, including

14:28

myself. Well,

14:30

it's, it's, Well, explain what the deal

14:32

is for somebody that, yeah, so

14:36

I freehand cut straight lines on the table. So

14:38

it started down for a really long time, but

14:41

I, I actually even freehand cut a circle

14:43

just to show you, cause it's just a bunch

14:45

of straight cuts when you get down to it. I

14:49

wouldn't do it if there wasn't a riving knife.

14:51

And to be honest, it's like, you see a

14:53

lot of boat builders do it because sometimes you

14:55

have a fair curve and I've actually cut curves

14:57

on the really long shallow curves. As

15:00

long as there's a riving knife on the thing, I wouldn't

15:02

do it without it. Cause they're having the riving knife there prevents

15:04

the kickback on the back of the blade. Cause the front of

15:07

the blade's coming down at 10,000 RPMs and

15:09

the back of the blade's going up at 10,000 RPMs. So

15:11

as soon as you get past the mandrel,

15:14

anything on the back of the blade will shoot up

15:16

in the air. But if there's a riving knife, the

15:18

riving knife keeps that from happening. So if

15:20

you're going to freehand cuts at your own risk, I'm

15:23

not telling you you should do it. That if

15:25

you're going to ride a motorcycle, wear a helmet. If you're

15:27

going to ride a motorcycle, wear a riving knife. That's all

15:29

I'm going to say. I

15:32

didn't say anything. Yeah.

15:37

If you're going to ride a motorcycle, wear a riving knife. And

15:40

if you're going to do wheelies, I should say, if

15:42

you're going to do wheelies, wear a riving knife. So

15:46

I just freehand cut a long shallow angle

15:49

that would have been a setup. So it was a pain

15:51

in the, it would have been a pain to take the

15:53

time to set it up. And I was like, I could

15:55

do this to stay out of the way. If it goes

15:57

bananas, just I have. I

16:00

have reflexes like a cat. I can jump out of the way

16:02

when the blade is spinning. I know I can jump out of

16:04

the way because I've done it before. I'm

16:07

kidding. Don't do what I do. But

16:10

that video is doing okay and it's fun

16:12

and I learned a tremendous amount on that.

16:14

When it comes to blacksmithing, I really thought that

16:17

I was going to have to take this band

16:20

and hammer one side of the band so the

16:22

band would ultimately kind of go like, if you've

16:24

ever seen a coffee

16:27

cup, if you ever cut open a coffee cup, what

16:29

that flat pattern looks like. Now

16:31

imagine the coffee cup is one inch high and

16:33

the coffee cup is 30 inches around. So

16:36

I thought I would have had to make

16:38

that band and pamper it to this long

16:40

arching curve. And then

16:42

just experimenting, I said let me just weld

16:44

the band together. So now I have a

16:46

band that's straight that won't fit on this

16:48

tapered structure. But if

16:51

I take it out to the power hammer and

16:53

just force that angle in it by holding the

16:55

ring, the skew as it went through the dies,

16:57

and that worked perfectly. And even a couple people

16:59

commented, like I never would have expected that to

17:02

work. And I said,

17:04

I didn't either. I just tried it and I expected

17:06

it fully not to be, I figured it was just

17:08

going to make a mess of the ring. But just

17:10

consistent increments through the dies

17:12

and it worked out nearly perfectly and

17:14

it took just five

17:17

minutes to do it right. Which

17:19

I expected to be hammering all evening trying

17:21

to get that taper and the flat piece

17:23

unwelled, unbent up piece. So

17:25

I learned a lot that way. And when

17:28

you get into these things, the only way to really

17:30

learn and figure it out is just go into a

17:32

blind, have a vague idea of what might work, and

17:34

then work your way through the dark until you find

17:36

what works. And then you go, wow, okay, I didn't

17:38

expect that to happen, but now I know I'm that

17:40

much smarter. Look at that and

17:43

I bought, go ahead. Do you

17:45

get nervous or anxious when

17:47

you're filming something for a video about

17:50

doing something that you don't know is going to

17:52

work? Yes,

17:56

but I always make sure that I could

17:58

either do it twice. There was two rings. I

18:00

was like, I got to make the first one. Once I

18:02

make the first one, I'll know better how to make the second one. I even

18:04

said that in the video. But sometimes when

18:06

there's multiples to do and if I completely mess up,

18:09

I screw up one, I'll just put

18:11

that aside and learn what I learned from that

18:13

and then do the second task differently and then

18:15

if that's successful, I'll only put that in the

18:18

video. But now, new

18:20

Jimmy is putting all his mistakes in.

18:22

New Jimmy. I like Jimmy. 2024

18:25

Jimmy is putting in all

18:27

his mistakes and trying to show the full experience.

18:29

It's just to change things up, to reinvent myself

18:31

a little bit. And I'm getting

18:34

a positive response. I've

18:36

always seen one or two comments where it's like, I missed

18:38

the fast stuff. But for the

18:40

most part, everybody's like,

18:42

this is cool. I like seeing you behind the scenes

18:44

and talking. And the reason I

18:46

always reserve talking in public because I was always

18:48

giving that to the Patreon. So I never talk

18:51

to my videos in public, only rarely. And

18:54

now, every video is a free form. I could do what I want.

18:56

I could talk in public and do whatever I want because I was

18:58

basically putting that other stuff behind the paywall. But now,

19:00

behind the paywall, I'm just doing all kinds of fun

19:03

stuff, a lot of behind the scenes stuff. So

19:05

now, I feel like I've been liberated in a

19:07

way, not just

19:10

exclusively putting talking in videos

19:12

behind paywalls. I do them whatever works with

19:14

the video and there's certainly plenty of

19:16

behind the scenes stuff to show on Patreon. And now,

19:19

you're coasting. So, yeah, I'm coasting, right? Yeah.

19:21

The call

19:25

back to what we're going to talk about. So

19:28

another exciting thing this week is I bought a Vanderkook

19:30

press. Did you guys happen to see that reel me

19:32

and Rob did? I bought

19:34

a 1950 something Vanderkook press, which

19:37

is a proof press. And I

19:39

can print 19 by 25 piece

19:41

of paper on it. And

19:43

it's these like old school, you see like the drum just

19:46

rolling and the paper comes out printed on the other side.

19:51

It's nice to be in my shop where I could take

19:54

like the guy who dropped it off is a great guy and

19:56

we were talking. He's like, you know, you can get plates made

19:59

here and get plates made. there and in my mind I'm just

20:01

like I'm just gonna make plates myself on the laser cutter and

20:04

so the first night I got the thing I cut

20:06

a plate just I made this little collage

20:08

of phrases just something I made a long time

20:10

ago but I refined it and

20:13

so I printed that those are going to be available to the

20:15

patrons only and then I have a few other poster ideas and

20:18

I'm gonna make public for everybody and

20:20

that was a lot of fun so that's kind

20:22

of renewed my interest in printing is just

20:24

kicking the dust off of the old machines and

20:26

then getting this new machine and

20:28

then yesterday because of that reel that I put

20:30

out I got

20:32

a message from a college up here and

20:35

the guy is very nice guy we've been chatting all

20:37

week tomorrow I'm going

20:39

to look at a 1900 or it's

20:41

probably a 1880s Washington

20:45

hand press that

20:47

I'm probably gonna buy and

20:50

that's if you guys don't

20:52

know what a hand press is it kind

20:54

of goes back to like the original print

20:56

press by Gutenberg where it's a corkscrew thing

20:58

where you turn the corkscrew and the big

21:00

plate comes down and presses the type but

21:02

every print you do you have to buy

21:04

hand roller it and then stick it

21:06

in and then pull the lever and then pull it out

21:09

and so the hand presses

21:11

were popular from about the 1820s

21:14

to about 1880s and

21:17

I have a Washington hand press that's

21:19

sitting in my yard but it's missing

21:21

all the parts I bought it from

21:23

a junk yard and it's this

21:25

thing guys I'm showing you guys that's the Washington hand

21:27

press that's the one I own that was made in

21:29

the 1860s just

21:31

before the Civil War but it's missing a large

21:33

part to make it work which is something I

21:35

always thought that I would fabricate but

21:38

now I'm going to probably get this

21:40

one you see that Washington hand press

21:42

it's really fully functioning and it's

21:44

at a college up here and

21:47

they give us me for a really good price considering how

21:49

much these things usually go for and

21:51

we haven't negotiated the final price

21:53

yet but the range that they're in is

21:55

much lower than what I would have expected

21:57

it's at least half of what I found

21:59

online line but they just wanted to go to a good

22:01

home. They said if I don't take it, it's just going to

22:04

go in storage and he said it's probably going to get thrown

22:06

out in five years because nobody knows what it is and nobody

22:08

cares what it is. Anyway, so

22:11

that's a Washington hand press I'm

22:13

excited to possibly get and so

22:15

that's my renewed interest in printing is

22:17

exciting. I have a question about that.

22:21

About that press in particular.

22:23

So I know that you like printing

22:28

as a hobby, as a task, as an action to do

22:31

but the other ones, the other presses

22:33

that you have, I feel

22:36

like would be a lot more productive for making

22:38

things to sell than that one. That one seems

22:40

like the way that you describe it seems like

22:42

it would be a lot more labor intensive. So

22:44

is that... Yeah, I'm going backwards

22:46

in time. I mean, so what's the thinking there? Are you

22:48

going to use it for making things

22:50

to sell or is it a set dressing

22:52

piece or like what's the goal? Good

22:55

question. Two things. It's really

22:57

more of a historical... It's

22:59

more of my interest in the historical aspect of it

23:01

and it's cool and I can preserve it and put it

23:03

in the collection that I'm starting and

23:06

it's bigger. It's 20 by 26 so I can

23:09

print 20 by 26 completely underneath

23:12

that platen which would be the biggest poster that

23:14

I could possibly make. I see. Got

23:16

you. And anything else I

23:18

have is smaller than that. Even the new one

23:20

I got is the print surfaces is

23:25

I could put a chase in there that's 25 by

23:28

24 but you can't print on the whole surface.

23:31

So that being said, this

23:33

would be the biggest one I could print on. That's

23:36

not really the... That's not the motivational factor as

23:38

much as the idea of just the historical cool

23:41

factor of it all and the fact

23:43

that it's affordable. Like I said, it's affordable. In

23:46

the after show, I'll tell you the prices. I don't want to

23:48

say that loud because I don't know if the gentleman's listening. Nice

23:52

guy. But we're going to talk tomorrow. Anyway,

23:55

so that's exciting and then the other real exciting

23:57

thing is that yesterday I went back over to...

24:00

the ghost house, so the graveyard house with

24:02

Mike, and we cleaned up the grounds.

24:05

The stonemason started working as soon as the weather

24:08

broke, so the foundation is slowly getting closed up.

24:10

If you see my Instagram today, you'll

24:12

see some of those pictures. I'm

24:14

going to do a reel. I'll post the reel by the

24:17

end of the day of a little bit of progress of

24:19

the house, because so many people are asking. I want to

24:21

just do a reel that just kind of sums up where

24:23

we're at. It's

24:25

exciting. I have one complete wall in, and

24:27

I'm so excited at the end of the day, last night,

24:30

I looked back and I was like, I

24:32

prepped this roof up for

24:34

10 months and I didn't drop it. That

24:37

was my biggest fear, is that I was going to drop the roof. I

24:40

was going to lose a handle on keeping that roof in

24:42

the air. We dug out,

24:44

put a foundation underneath this whole thing, put

24:47

drainage, ripped out everything, put

24:49

everything back, and I didn't

24:51

drop the roof. The whole entire time, with just sticks

24:53

and rocks, I've been able to keep the roof in

24:55

the air. I had somebody say,

24:57

oh, you need to build a steel frame, make

24:59

three big steel H frames, so

25:01

you have plenty of room to work. Bit

25:04

by bit, I was able to put it in there, and the

25:07

whole time, the guys using the excavator and mic and everybody's scratching

25:09

their head going, okay, all

25:12

right, whatever, all right. This isn't

25:14

the greatest idea, but it's your money.

25:18

I hear that a lot. It's your

25:21

money. Looking back last night

25:23

and just looking at the pictures and going, I

25:25

am totally safe. Nothing's

25:27

going to fall. The roof is

25:29

there. It's up. Now

25:31

we're just tweaking the foundation, which

25:33

obviously isn't ... I'm doing

25:36

a stone stack foundation in the way Ken, the stone

25:38

guy, likes to work. We

25:40

put our rim joist in, and

25:43

he likes to stone stack right up to it. Then

25:46

we're going to lift it up like one half of

25:49

an inch with some pry bars and stuff, and then

25:51

he's going to put cement in the last few stones

25:53

and then settle the foundation onto that. That's

25:57

the learning curve that it's fun to watch, Ken, do

25:59

his work. So

26:01

there, that's it, that's my update. And then

26:03

this week's video, I'm going to start working

26:06

on a Maloof style

26:08

stool. I'm working with double

26:10

H boots and they have a showroom. They said a

26:12

lot of guitar players come and hang out in the

26:14

showroom. They have kind of

26:16

like a rock and roll atmosphere. And

26:19

they said maybe you could make us a guitar stool so when people

26:21

come they could sit on the stool and play guitar. So

26:23

I got inspired to make it like a Maloof style

26:26

stool. Whole walnut

26:29

sculpted carved, very organic

26:31

looking. So I'm going to do that and then the top of

26:34

the seat will have some of the logo branding carved

26:36

into it by hand I'm thinking, potentially.

26:39

If I run out of time I'll just throw

26:41

it in the laser. See

26:44

it? One

26:46

of your, I was

26:49

recording an ad spot for the

26:51

Woodworkers Guild of America and I

26:53

was grabbing, oh you did the one too?

26:56

Yeah, that's coming out tomorrow. And

26:58

the funny thing is like I

27:01

have a DVD set from the

27:03

Woodworkers Guild of America from like

27:05

12, 13 years ago or whatever. So

27:07

I talk about that. Like I've been, you know, this

27:09

is how I started my woodworking journey. And

27:13

I'm gathering screenshot

27:16

footage of their website for my

27:18

video spot, my ad read and

27:21

there's some basic techniques, basic table

27:23

saw techniques that I'm using and George is

27:25

a host and then I'm like okay I

27:27

need some advanced stuff too so to appeal

27:30

to that people. And then there's Jimmy Dresta

27:32

cutting circles on the table saw. So

27:35

you're in my video for a brief second. Oh

27:40

cool. You know what, I cut my

27:43

spot and I apologize to everybody that's watched that

27:45

spot. I cut my spot and they left it

27:47

long. And I sent it to them. You

27:49

guys, I figured they were going to

27:52

want to make me edit it anyway so I just

27:54

left it long and I sent it and in about

27:56

10 minutes I got back. This is perfect, thank you.

27:59

Good to go. I'm like, I want to

28:01

see the editor down. I want you to tell me what

28:03

to take out. And

28:06

they're like, perfect. So that's

28:08

it. That's why it feels a little sluggish

28:10

in my spot. So I'm sorry about that.

28:12

It's all good. We proved it that way.

28:15

It's all relevant, though. I mean, it's a

28:17

wood-wringing ad and a wood-wringing video. So it's

28:19

all good. When you

28:21

think about it, if you made a video, if you made

28:23

an ad read and you made it five minutes long, the

28:25

client would look at it and go, that's great. We love

28:27

it. Oh, yeah. And you

28:29

think about it? Yeah, the more, the better, even though

28:31

they know most people. They think everyone's going

28:34

to watch it. So

28:37

yeah. Cool. Well, for

28:39

me, I've been building... This

28:42

week I started building the kind of clean room in

28:44

the shop. And so walls

28:46

are actually up, which is pretty cool to see.

28:50

And I'm pretty happy with... I

28:53

was kind of back and forth on it. It

28:55

seems like a good idea, but there's this unknown

28:57

about building walls and separating my shop into a

28:59

smaller space. And so, you know, part of the

29:01

back of my head, I was like, I don't

29:03

know, maybe this is a bad idea. I'm not

29:05

really sure. But I got the walls framed up

29:08

in place and then can stand back and look at it.

29:10

And I'm like, oh, yeah, this is going to look good.

29:12

And then you go inside this room and I'm like, oh,

29:15

wow, this room is pretty big. So I

29:18

think it's going to work out pretty well. The

29:20

problem, though, is that I

29:22

bit off way more than I can chew

29:24

in two weeks for this video. So

29:28

kind of trying to figure

29:30

out what I can do about that. You need, you

29:32

know, when you make a video, you have

29:34

to have the kind of like payoff at the end. But

29:37

if I try to get to

29:39

that payoff in the amount of time that

29:41

I usually give myself, then

29:44

I'm going to have to skip over some stuff, which is

29:46

what I don't really like to do. And

29:49

so I'm not really sure how to... And

29:51

even if I did skip over stuff, it's still a lot of

29:53

work. So framing walls, putting

29:57

in a drop ceiling, running electrical, which I'm

29:59

not going to But you know I still

30:01

have to do that work and

30:03

then you know painting the

30:05

inside of it adding lights

30:07

and adding all the stuff and getting all the

30:09

stuff up and running and I've

30:12

got big plans for what the room is gonna be

30:15

all the things that are gonna be in there But

30:17

now I'm trying to figure out kind of like what

30:19

the minimum viable product is is there? Oh, is

30:21

there a video within the video like a

30:23

like a particular thing that you did while making

30:26

this video? That could be its own and

30:28

you put that out first to give yourself more

30:30

time to do the the bigger picture thing

30:32

I Think it probably

30:34

is but the context won't be there.

30:36

Mm-hmm. I thought about that like

30:38

so there's a window I'm putting in a

30:41

window that goes front in this room looking

30:43

into the shop or from the shop so that it is

30:45

big and it's like Not

30:49

a square rectangle window. It's curvy

30:51

and it has this kind of

30:54

Trap as a way to shape with curvy corners and

30:56

stuff and It's

31:01

The plan with that is that it's gonna be edge-lit

31:03

acrylic window with like etching on it so I can

31:05

use it as a status Indicator for driven

31:07

by a Arduino and she's like super cool But I

31:09

can't put all that in the video, but then if

31:11

I make a video about that specifically It

31:15

will be in a place that doesn't exist

31:17

yet from the viewer's perspective, so I'm not

31:19

really sure I see How

31:22

to do that yeah, so but

31:24

then if I Yeah,

31:27

if I don't talk about that then I'm

31:29

missing an opportunity to make a cool video

31:32

about this like Indicator

31:34

window it's like status Window

31:37

thing which is really cool,

31:39

so I don't know I'm

31:42

excited about the work, but it is a lot of work and I

31:47

Don't know how I can get it done in

31:49

time and I and I have been building in

31:51

margin for myself So like this is the third

31:53

video Right now that

31:56

is not out yet So I've

31:58

got time that I can I

32:01

can eat into it that time a little bit, but

32:04

then that just gets rid

32:06

of my margin. My

32:09

vacation this summer is gonna need margin, you know,

32:11

stuff like that. So I'm just trying to juggle

32:14

how much work I can put into a single

32:16

video and make it worthwhile and how much I

32:18

should split it. And

32:21

then, just not to be complainy,

32:23

but just as a relative

32:26

point to that, and

32:28

you guys have felt this too, I'm sure, is

32:30

like when you

32:32

have videos for a while

32:34

that you put a lot of work, you put

32:37

the same amount of work into good videos and

32:39

bad videos, performance-wise. And

32:42

so when you have a few that you've put in a

32:44

lot of work on and they don't do great, it

32:47

makes it kind of hard to want to put

32:49

in a whole lot of work into the next

32:51

one when the trend is that

32:54

it's not really gonna do great. It's

32:56

still a lot of work to make a video, even

32:59

if the video is good, it just doesn't get shown. And

33:02

so there's a little bit of that creeping in too,

33:05

and I don't want to have

33:07

to, you know,

33:10

like consider that, and I don't wanna have

33:12

to shortchange videos because like, well, it's probably

33:14

not gonna do well anyway because with that

33:16

attitude, of course it's not gonna do well.

33:19

So I don't wanna do that, but I

33:22

have to be honest and think that there is a little

33:24

bit of that creeping in. When you

33:26

have things that don't really perform for

33:29

a while, you have

33:31

to take it into consideration about the amount of work

33:33

you're putting into something. And

33:37

then that, thinking through that

33:39

and trying to like temper that feeling and

33:41

not let that become too big of a

33:43

thing, it got me thinking more about the

33:46

whole thumbnail and title thing. And

33:49

we weren't planning on talking about this today, but it has

33:51

been on my mind, so I thought I would ask you

33:53

guys. The

33:56

thumbnail and title, everybody knows now,

33:58

is like the biggest thing. For.

34:00

A divorce rate you yearn for. It's.

34:03

And. I. Don't

34:05

know if this is. I.

34:09

Don't know if this is true or not. So.

34:12

This might be my own. Personal.

34:16

Good, bad and an of i feel

34:18

like. The videos that we

34:20

make our good videos, I feel like

34:22

they are entertaining whether you're planning on

34:24

making the thing you're. A.

34:26

See like they don't get shown enough

34:29

to the people who might enjoy them?

34:32

And I think that's because of our

34:35

titles and thumbnails. Are

34:37

just Not. To just not. They're

34:39

They're not. They're not hooky enough. They're

34:41

not said she enough. They're not the

34:43

thing that people. In

34:46

A viewers have a lot of decisions to make and they

34:48

have a lot of content to wade through and choose the

34:50

things that they won. And so

34:52

I don't think we do a great job

34:55

of. Ranking.

34:57

High enough in that like choosing process

35:00

for them. So

35:02

I think that's the truth. All

35:05

of that am. But. I

35:07

don't want to come up with Ted often.

35:09

thumbnails. It's. Not something as good as

35:11

it's not something that I want their lunch you

35:13

will love that game and they love the like

35:15

strategy of it and stuff and I think that's

35:18

great. I just. It's not how

35:20

I work in, it's not on the Ubs. Not good

35:22

at it, you know? I wish I was. I wish

35:24

I wanted to be good at it. But I found

35:26

don't. Care. To be good at it.

35:28

And so I was. Actually I had this. As

35:30

you say, I had to stress know like I

35:32

made a wooden box. It. It

35:35

sounds myself make a wouldn't but it's I set them

35:37

as of a wouldn't bucket. Is Not.

35:40

So. simple as it and that's what i made the

35:42

title of as it msn is the best title and

35:44

what am i going to make a picture of a

35:46

pile of would say a picture the since profit and

35:48

this is what i've always said it would have to

35:50

fix of the fittest thing and then druze help me

35:53

over the over the last year little bit never want

35:55

to overload him with a familiar there since and on

35:57

program as much as it probably should same but it's

35:59

is is is say, we all

36:01

don't want to bother him. He's become the thumbnail

36:04

guru. But what else is there?

36:08

This is a video about me making

36:10

this thing that's in the picture. I

36:14

can't make a picture of me holding my cheeks with my mouth

36:16

open like a piece of wood fell on the floor because it

36:18

wasn't that big of a deal. And

36:20

it seems disingenuous to make

36:22

it seem like I

36:25

almost didn't make it. Right. Sensationalize it to the

36:27

sake of taking something typical. I made this simple

36:29

thing and it wasn't that it was more complicated

36:31

than I thought but I did it. Yeah.

36:34

Okay. And there are ways, you know,

36:36

I mean, like Drew is really good. There's a lot of people

36:39

that are really good at taking a simple thing and coming

36:42

up with a clever way to make it interesting.

36:44

And it's not disingenuous. It's

36:47

marketing. It's clever marketing. I'm not a

36:49

marketer. I don't want to be a

36:51

marketer. And there's this

36:54

weird tension with that I

36:56

have felt for a long time and I'm confronted

36:59

with it now. I want

37:01

to be able to make things and let somebody

37:03

else market it. But I don't know how to

37:06

do that. I don't know how to let somebody

37:08

else make

37:10

up titles and thumbnails or if there's even

37:13

anybody that would do that. I

37:16

mean, I know you can hire people to do thumbnails for you but I

37:18

don't want to look like Mr. Beast. I don't want to look like, I

37:22

don't want that kind of thumbnail. I want interesting,

37:25

like photographic, artistic interesting

37:28

thumbnails. And I don't know

37:31

if there's somebody that does that or not, you know. And

37:34

so anyway, these things have

37:36

all kind of stacked up like, yeah, we're kind of

37:38

ahead but the last few videos, not really done that

37:41

great. How do I get them to do

37:43

great? Oh, I have to work on the titles and thumbnails. Well,

37:45

how do I do that when I'm also trying to build a

37:47

room that's going to take way more time than I thought it

37:49

was going to take? So, you know, they're kind of compounding ideas.

37:51

And so, I

37:54

guess all of that was to just get

37:56

to asking you guys, have

37:58

you thought about... trying

38:01

to find someone to

38:04

either coach you on those

38:07

title and thumbnail things or to do

38:09

them for you or to like

38:12

how do you how do you deal with that? I

38:15

say I talked to Drew a little bit here and

38:17

there. I don't want to bother him and ask him to keep coming

38:19

up with my thumbnails and titles. Yeah, Drew, just

38:21

so you know, this is us subtly saying that we don't want

38:23

to bother you, but we really want you to. Just

38:27

throw that out there. You're listening. I know you're listening, so I'm

38:29

just going to say it out loud. But

38:32

I'm just settling into the fact I told you guys

38:34

I stopped looking at the analytics a couple weeks ago.

38:37

Like even Drew's asking me, he's like, how are your videos doing? I

38:39

was like, I'm not looking. I'm not looking

38:41

because it's not going to change anything. Okay,

38:44

can I interrupt you right there? Okay,

38:48

I love that feeling. I love that idea.

38:50

But it doesn't work. That doesn't

38:53

work because it doesn't work to

38:55

not look at the analytics. We make a living with

38:57

this stuff. I would love to say, screw

38:59

the analytics. Be an artist. Make everything you

39:01

want and you'll find your audience. And I

39:03

think that's ideal. But

39:06

like we got bills to pay. You know, we can't. I'm

39:09

not looking at the analytics because it's

39:11

been a year. I can't figure out

39:13

how to turn the ship. When

39:18

I peaked in 2018 and I was

39:20

like making, I

39:22

was adding tons of subscribers and I was getting tons and

39:25

tons and tons of views. I was getting like five to

39:27

seven million views a month. Now I can't

39:29

even break a million views a month. And I

39:31

don't know what to do to change it. I think the content I'm

39:33

making is good. I personally believe it's

39:35

as good if not better than when I was making back

39:37

then. But Jaco hit me with like a little

39:39

bit of truth. He's like, you're not as relatable as you used

39:42

to be. Now everybody thinks you're a millionaire and you got all

39:44

the tools in the world. You're not as relatable. Jaco said that

39:46

to me and it was a bit of a gut punch. But

39:48

I'm like, I'm evolving. I've

39:50

evolved into the person I wanted to be the

39:53

day I graduated college. And

39:55

I'm okay with this. And

39:58

some people are coming along for the ride. they want to

40:00

come along for the ride? I mean I'm not, I

40:04

feel like I'm still that guy in the lower east side

40:06

scrapping and trying to figure things out. I just have more

40:08

room, you know? Yeah,

40:11

right. But you know when

40:13

Jaco said that he's right. He's like I'm not as relatable so

40:15

I got to keep coming up with new

40:18

fun things that now, now I'm basically I'm a

40:20

rich teacher on YouTube, right? Is that what I

40:22

am? If I'm a rich teacher on YouTube, let

40:25

me be the rich teacher on YouTube. I'm

40:28

not as relatable but you know I always say I'm

40:31

gonna make stuff with things that people don't

40:33

have. That's fine. We watch racing, we watch

40:35

skateboarding, we watch Formula One. I'm never gonna

40:37

own a two million dollar race car. Yeah.

40:40

I watch Formula One racing. So

40:43

the idea of us being able to like

40:45

be exactly relatable to the exact person that's

40:47

gonna do exactly what I do, people

40:50

watch Hollywood movies that cost 50 million dollars

40:52

to make. Does that mean it's

40:55

relatable or it's not relatable? Yeah. I

40:57

think that I think it's a big

40:59

notion in general. The thing was that

41:02

we were relatable. Hollywood movies have never

41:04

been relatable. I've never been relatable. We

41:06

were and now we're not and I can say

41:09

that for myself as well. You know I recognize

41:11

and I've accepted that I'm not relatable to a

41:13

lot of people anymore. That's okay but

41:16

I still want to figure out how to make that sustainable

41:19

for my family, right? You

41:21

know so anyway

41:23

with the title thumbnail thing. David,

41:27

do you have thoughts? You just sent me a video. Yeah.

41:31

I go okay so I do

41:33

enjoy the game but I don't

41:35

love the game, right? I have

41:39

I haven't

41:42

figured it out. It's so hard.

41:44

It is the... What? Right? It

41:46

shows over. Right? The

41:50

packaging for YouTube videos is the

41:52

it's it's the hardest thing

41:55

to do. It's harder than coming up

41:57

with brilliant ideas. It's...

42:00

It really is because it makes or

42:02

break a video. I've got... I

42:08

got thumbnails visually that I'm not

42:10

proud of, but those videos have

42:12

done so well. And even just

42:14

recently, I did the Tambour joint

42:18

thing video, and I hate the

42:20

thumbnail. It's so plain and boring,

42:22

and it doesn't

42:24

represent me as an artist, but

42:27

that video did so well. Then

42:30

the next video of, I did a vacuum press

42:32

video, and I'm holding up a little wine pump

42:34

saying this is my favorite clamp. That video just

42:36

started to take off a couple weeks later. Now

42:39

that video's doing really well. And it's

42:41

not even representative of

42:46

what I want to be

42:48

as a YouTuber, because in

42:51

the Tambour joint video,

42:54

the thumbnail and the title, and

42:56

the beginning part of the video is about this

42:58

crazy joint, which is amazing. But then

43:00

I made this piece of furniture

43:03

with it that I absolutely love. And

43:06

that's what I really wanted to show in the thumbnail.

43:08

And that was the first version of that thumbnail, but

43:10

it didn't work. And then

43:13

the next video is my

43:15

favorite clamp, which is this, I'm

43:17

showing this wine pump. And that

43:20

video is, it's really taken off,

43:23

but the payoff is me making 10 skateboards.

43:25

But I don't even mention the skateboards, the

43:27

art skateboards that I made in the video.

43:29

Cause it's about the thing. It's about trying

43:32

to get people to watch. And I haven't

43:35

figured it out. It's a long way of

43:38

saying I have not figured it out.

43:40

Sometimes I enjoy the game. Sometimes I hate the

43:42

game. I go back and forth. The

43:45

video that I just sent you, this

43:48

guy, he's a consultant. I watch a lot

43:50

of consultant

43:52

videos. I've taken a couple courses

43:55

from some big names, Derleaves and

43:57

Patty Galloway, and it all helps. And

44:00

then a few weeks ago I kind of came

44:02

to the realization that I

44:06

really sometimes I want

44:08

to make videos that I know that aren't going to perform

44:10

well because it makes me feel better about what I do

44:12

and so it's a uh I

44:14

have to go back and forth and I have

44:17

to I want to make sure

44:19

that i'm really loving What i'm doing so

44:21

I can keep doing this, but I also

44:23

have to make these videos

44:26

To get people to watch so i'm trying to trick myself

44:28

and not trick myself But just trying to figure out what's

44:31

the hook in the video that I

44:33

can please both sides of it I haven't figured it

44:35

out What i'm trying to say is

44:37

i haven't figured it out and i'm never going to and that's

44:39

going to be okay It's all

44:41

gonna. It's all gonna be okay Dang

44:43

it. That's why I give up on looking at the

44:46

analytics because What I do is

44:48

make cool things. Yeah Well, at

44:50

least I make cool things for myself, right? I make

44:52

things that I feel are cool and the processes of

44:54

me learning how to do these things And

44:57

I I changed we talked a little bit about reinventing

44:59

ourselves and maybe that was going to be the topic

45:01

today Is that what it's going to be? Oh coasting

45:04

um the idea that we're gonna Hit

45:07

hit the the slipstream and coast we're

45:09

gonna get that spot where we just

45:11

kept money just get foreign end And

45:14

then we're just gonna coast And we

45:16

talked before we started how that never

45:18

happens You know, we like Because

45:21

when jelly smack was the thing and a lot of

45:23

creators including myself was making a lot of money a

45:25

month But it only lasted several months and then it

45:28

just it died off and like but when

45:30

that first big check came in I was like This

45:32

is it This is it. I

45:35

can literally give the middle finger to half the people I have to

45:37

deal with in a day Because this is

45:39

it. I don't have to worry about it I can just

45:41

do my thing and then and then then

45:43

then then then checks diminish diminish diminish and then there's nothing

45:45

and then It's back to zero and then you're like, oh

45:48

no, I i'm glad I didn't give the middle finger

45:50

to half the people I don't want to do it

45:53

Because now I have to deal with them in a day

45:55

and have some for money and work and jobs I do

45:57

a lot of work behind the camera. That doesn't that's that'd

45:59

be a behind the scenes that doesn't necessarily make it

46:01

to YouTube. But this work I

46:03

don't want to do. I mean, I still work for

46:05

the liquor companies. I love those guys. They're the best

46:07

clients in the whole world. I

46:10

have a big job coming. I'll tell them they have to

46:12

show, which hopefully, they gave me one

46:14

price and I basically gave them a double on that

46:16

price. Like, let me go back. And then they came

46:18

back the other day and said, looks like we can

46:20

do that. I said, great. I'll tell you after. But

46:26

there's never a moment where we can coast. And

46:28

you look back at my personal trajectory where I

46:30

started in the Lower East Side and

46:33

then Jaco says, you're unrelatable. I

46:35

obviously made a lot more money in the last couple

46:38

of years. But I was making

46:40

a ton of money in the city. I was making

46:42

a lot of money in the city doing all client

46:44

work. But

46:47

I was constantly on the hamster

46:49

wheel of making sure that that worked. Now I can

46:51

coast a little bit here and there, but I can't

46:53

keep coasting. I have to constantly keep fanning

46:57

the flames and making sure advertisers

47:00

come in and the advertisers that come in, I'm

47:02

like, maybe I don't want to

47:04

do a video game ad. But you know what? Let

47:07

me look at it because they always pay a lot. It's

47:09

kind of like drug dealers. It's like, here you go.

47:11

Here you go. This is 20,000.

47:13

What are you going to do? Let's talk about a stupid

47:15

game that you're never going to play. So

47:20

thank you to Sean Beckner the other day. He posted

47:22

it for me. When I

47:24

see a film, like a struggling

47:26

filmmaker, when I see a filmmaker

47:28

making a video with an ad in it, I

47:31

watch the ad because that's how the filmmaker is

47:33

able to make his films. So thank you Sean

47:35

for that. It was really nice

47:37

of you to say that and publicize that. And so

47:39

I reposted that. So it's,

47:41

I don't

47:43

know. I kind of want to say that. The bottom

47:46

line is there's no easy way to coast. And

47:48

if I look at my future and my trajectory,

47:50

I'm just sticking to what I can do. I

47:53

can make cool things. I can't come up with

47:55

the best title. I can't come up with the

47:57

best image, but people who know, know

47:59

that when they watch watch this video, there's gonna be a

48:01

couple of pearls in it that they can go

48:03

home and improve their own personal stuff. Whether I'm

48:06

rich, whether I'm poor, whether I'm working on a

48:08

machine that no one's ever gonna touch, somebody

48:11

might see that machine and go, I want one of those, I'm

48:13

gonna work to get to that machine. And then they'd come to

48:15

me in a year from now and say, you

48:17

know what, I was in this bad job, you have this $10,000

48:19

machine, and

48:21

I said, I want that machine. So I work to get

48:24

that machine. Thank you for showing me that there's more to

48:26

life than just a shop with

48:29

grandpa's tools. And

48:31

so that's what I'm sticking to. If

48:34

you step back and you look at the

48:36

whole picture, when

48:38

things first started taking off for us,

48:41

there was a lot of

48:43

growth all at one time. And

48:46

it just feels amazing. Like I'm

48:48

able to quit my job, I get to

48:50

do this crazy thing for a living, this

48:52

is absolutely amazing. But

48:55

that growth eventually has to taper

48:58

off. There's only a certain pool

49:00

of people who

49:02

are gonna watch your videos, and it's

49:04

a huge pool, and you're never gonna reach

49:06

the full potential. It

49:10

always feels like I want that feeling

49:12

again of that tremendous growth. That's not gonna

49:14

happen anymore, or maybe it will. We're

49:20

always in the moment, we always think, oh,

49:22

there should always be growth. We

49:25

should always be trying to figure out how to make more

49:27

money, how to get more views, how

49:29

to become a better designer, a better

49:31

furniture maker, and more tools. I

49:35

think anybody who runs their own business is always

49:37

in the mindset of, how

49:39

do I get bigger and better? More

49:41

bigger, better. More bigger, better, yeah. And

49:44

that really messes with your brain.

49:46

And as far as coasting, I

49:51

feel like, I think for

49:53

me, I like the idea

49:55

of coasting more than I

49:57

would actually appreciate coasting. Because...

50:00

I think a lot of creative

50:02

work and good art comes

50:04

from a little bit of a struggle,

50:07

a little bit of a I

50:09

got to push myself more, right? So

50:13

I have a bunch of thoughts. In New York, I

50:15

was going to say quickly, in New York there's a

50:18

graffiti called Comfort Equals Death. Yes. It's

50:20

actually, I think it's an old band. Comfort Equals

50:22

Death, it's like a, it's

50:24

a graffiti you see around the city for like

50:26

the last 40 years. It's a wine glass upside

50:29

down with like an X in it. And that

50:31

means Comfort Equals Death basically. Once you get comfortable,

50:33

you die. But go ahead Bob. Interesting.

50:35

Alright, so I have several thoughts in regard to

50:37

all that stuff. First is

50:40

separation of concerns. So when in

50:42

programming, when you do software development,

50:44

you have to, to

50:46

end up with a good product, you

50:48

have to decide to split things apart

50:50

into logical pathways, into

50:52

logical functions so that this

50:55

thing over here does one thing well.

50:58

This thing over here does one thing well. And

51:02

you never start that way, but you end up

51:04

getting to that because that makes things sustainable. Now

51:06

we don't really do that when we start creating

51:08

content. We do all of it. It's the

51:10

startup mentality of like we do everything. We make

51:13

the thumbnail, we design the thing, we build the

51:15

thing, we shoot the video, we edit the video,

51:17

we make all of it. And

51:20

so as you go along, you start to get help

51:22

maybe with some of those

51:24

things. And you have to decide when

51:27

and what you get help with, right? I've

51:30

accepted the fact that I'm not

51:32

a great graphic designer and I get

51:34

help with that. Forby has been with me since

51:36

the very beginning and he's an amazing designer and he

51:38

does all of that stuff because I know that he

51:40

can do that stuff better than I can. I think

51:44

titles and thumbnails, I might be getting

51:46

to a point to where I'm recognizing

51:48

that that might be better produced

51:51

in somebody else's hands, somebody other than he and I,

51:53

because he and I work on that really well together,

51:55

but it's a struggle for both of us. And

51:58

I wonder... This is me

52:00

wondering out loud, if there's

52:03

somebody that can take that to do

52:05

it better for me so that

52:07

I don't have to try to struggle with 10%

52:12

of my work that makes 90% of

52:14

my work less enjoyable. Because that is the

52:16

truth. I'm struggling with that 10%. And

52:19

this is not meant to be a complaint. This is me

52:22

figuring things out. I wanna do this. I

52:25

want this to work. I want to sustain this

52:27

business. So that's what I'm saying. This is not

52:29

me like, ooh, I gotta make a thumbnail. That's

52:31

not my point. So separation

52:34

of concerns. I

52:36

think it might be worthwhile to

52:38

look at letting somebody who's

52:40

really good at something do it in

52:43

lieu of me struggling with it. That's

52:45

one thing. Second

52:48

thing is in regard to the growth thing

52:50

that you were talking about. I learned in

52:54

a very big way this last year that

52:57

fruit requires seasons. Fruit

53:00

does not grow on trees all year long.

53:02

Fruit grows on trees one season

53:04

a year. And for

53:06

that fruit to grow again the next

53:09

year, it requires a winter where the

53:11

thing dies. Everything falls off. It shuts

53:13

down. Everything gets

53:15

replenished. It starts to get new nutrients. It

53:17

starts to bloom. It builds

53:19

new fruit. That's how it works. That's

53:21

how nature works. And we

53:23

are no different. We cannot be on

53:26

an upward trajectory in

53:28

everything in our life all the time. That's

53:30

not nature. That's not how it works. And accepting

53:32

that has been pretty big for me because when

53:34

I have a low or a hard,

53:37

I'm like, cool, I'm in winter right now. And

53:41

after winter, there's spring. There's

53:44

something to look forward to. This is a step

53:46

towards something else. Different

53:49

kind of fruit, different season of life. It

53:52

requires seasons. And that has been very

53:54

big for me. So the growth

53:57

that we all saw is gone. But

53:59

that doesn't. mean that there's not another

54:01

new fruit on the other side of this

54:03

like valley that we may be finding ourselves

54:05

in or that we will find ourselves in

54:07

next year. The

54:09

other thing, last thing and then I'll shut up, is

54:12

you're talking about the coasting thing and that was what we

54:14

were originally going to talk about was like we

54:18

all naturally I think in

54:20

some way, well for me

54:22

again, I naturally want

54:24

to find a way to coast

54:26

a little bit but I don't want to

54:28

not work, I don't want to not create

54:30

and I think it is more akin to

54:33

running. So when you become

54:35

a runner, when you start trying to get

54:37

healthy, you're like speed, I got

54:39

to do speed, that's how I'm going to lose

54:41

weight, that's how I'm going to become a runner

54:44

and you sprint and you start sprinting and then

54:46

eventually you notice that man my knees hurt so

54:48

I should probably not sprint, I should learn how

54:50

to do a little bit longer distances so that

54:52

my heart is healthy, not my legs as

54:55

much. And so it changes

54:58

from sprinting to distance

55:01

and then eventually you were like yeah I can

55:03

do more distance and you have to change your

55:05

pace at which you're running to be able to

55:08

do more distance. And

55:11

I don't think it's that I want to coast as in

55:13

I want to sit down on the couch and

55:16

just make money and live the rest of my life but

55:18

I have to recognize that I stopped

55:21

sprinting a long time ago and

55:23

I slowed down a little bit and

55:26

I'm doing it longer and

55:28

I have to change the pace at which

55:30

I work and the goals

55:33

that I'm trying to accomplish. It's not about winning

55:35

the race, it's not about being the fastest one,

55:37

it's not about it's not even

55:39

about covering a big distance anymore, it's about

55:41

being able to do it as long as

55:43

possible and this is I'm talking about like

55:45

life not necessarily YouTube, it's

55:48

about sustainability and about like how am I

55:50

going to be able to continue to live

55:52

the life that I want to live long

55:54

term. That means I have to change

55:57

the way that I do things. I had to slow down

55:59

my videos. to change the

56:01

structure of my team. I had to choose

56:03

not to buy all the things that I would

56:06

love to buy and sell things that I don't

56:08

use anymore. And there's all these things

56:10

that have to change so

56:12

that I can continue to run at a new pace

56:14

that I'm running at. And

56:16

I think the

56:19

title thumbnail struggle thing to

56:21

kind of pull it back around is

56:23

one of those, it's one of those

56:25

things that I'm finding is making it

56:28

really frustrating to run. And

56:31

if I can instead of wearing these stupid

56:33

old shoes that I've worn for several years,

56:36

get some new shoes, let somebody else

56:38

do the thing and

56:40

enjoy running. That's kind of like what I'm

56:43

landing at is like, I

56:45

enjoy a very specific thing and I'm good at

56:47

it. I think I

56:49

wanna do that. And I don't wanna

56:51

try to do everything else. And I don't wanna try

56:54

to be a social media person and I don't wanna

56:56

try, I wanna make stuff. And

56:59

I'm sure you guys get these emails of

57:01

like, hey, I'm your title thumbnail

57:03

guy. And then they'll just random

57:06

emails and then they show you

57:08

their portfolio and it's

57:10

like the crazy rainbow colors and

57:12

contrast and like, no,

57:14

that is not my audience. Like if I

57:17

did those things that would not appeal to

57:19

my audience, I would actually lose viewers. So

57:22

I'm sure there are people

57:25

who are experts and

57:28

I'm sure there's somebody out there who

57:31

is perfect for you, but that

57:33

particular person is harder to find

57:35

because you are not marketing to

57:38

teenagers, you're marketing to people in our

57:41

circle. People

57:43

in our circle don't want

57:45

the super MrBeast stuff. Yeah,

57:53

yeah. And I think, you know, what

57:57

the thumbnail style or title

57:59

or hook. or that,

58:01

I don't know, there's gotta

58:03

be a word for that. Whatever that hook thing

58:05

is, the thing that gets somebody's attention, it

58:08

changes, even within our

58:10

audience, our dedicated, we

58:12

love you audience, it's still gonna change,

58:14

their appetite changes. And

58:17

so it is chasing a moving target

58:20

a bit, but I think

58:22

when it comes to paying attention

58:25

to where the target moved, that's

58:27

a skillset, that's an amount of

58:29

effort that, like

58:34

I'm not motivated to make. It's like being a programmer.

58:36

And I'm not, I'm not. You

58:39

can't just learn a programming language and then stop

58:41

learning. You have to keep learning as it evolves,

58:43

yeah. Yep. So

58:46

I think there's other people out there that

58:49

have the appetite for watching

58:51

that target and adjusting

58:53

to where that target is moving at

58:55

any given time. And I

58:57

don't know, I don't have a point other than just

58:59

to voice my frustration with it and like, I

59:02

want it to be better. I want it to

59:04

be well done and I don't think I'm equipped

59:07

to do it well. So

59:10

I guess anybody who's not

59:12

gonna make MrBeast thumbnails

59:16

and titles and doesn't wanna lie

59:18

to audiences but you can make good thumbnails, give

59:21

me a call. If

59:25

that one very specific person is out there, let

59:27

me know. And

59:29

then once you hire that person, I'm

59:31

also gonna hire them as well. Okay, I

59:33

mean they could get full time work for

59:35

sure. Like between all of us, you know.

59:39

In regards to the coasting thing though, I

59:42

have thought a lot about this, about what

59:44

it looks like as we get older and

59:48

choose how much we

59:50

work and how we continue to make

59:52

money, you know, not to

59:54

like become wealthy but just how do

59:56

we make a living as we.

1:00:01

get older, age out of

1:00:03

the YouTube thing, and just

1:00:05

want to have more margin in our

1:00:07

life. And I don't know that that's

1:00:10

coasting as much as it is just

1:00:12

adjusting our our

1:00:14

needs financially and adjusting

1:00:19

where we put our effort. And

1:00:21

I think for me putting

1:00:23

effort into creating videos at

1:00:26

a certain pace for a really long time finally

1:00:29

caught up with me. And so now I'm just trying

1:00:31

to adjust for what the next several years looks like,

1:00:34

you know, as I still

1:00:36

want to make a living. But I gotta

1:00:39

be able to do it

1:00:41

differently. So Jimmy, you're looking to like just

1:00:44

turn off all the cameras and live on a farm and

1:00:46

make your stuff that nobody sees, right? Is

1:00:48

that your goal? What's my long term goal is,

1:00:50

well Howard has always said it, he said my

1:00:52

goal is for you to make videos because you

1:00:54

want to not because you had to. That would

1:00:56

be awesome. You know that's

1:00:58

always the goal. And

1:01:01

so with that mindset involved, every once in a

1:01:03

while I throw an ad in because it's good

1:01:05

money and pays the bills. But

1:01:07

in general, I make

1:01:11

the things that I really want to learn about. For instance,

1:01:14

the barrel and you know this year I haven't

1:01:16

really been explicit about it, but this year it's

1:01:18

been about challenging myself, doing

1:01:21

a few things that I otherwise would more

1:01:23

take a comfortable route. You know I'm not

1:01:26

on the hamster wheel of a video a

1:01:29

week. I'm not doing a video this week.

1:01:32

I'm going to take some time and do this

1:01:34

stool for double H boots and it's Carolina double

1:01:36

H boots. I'm going to do that. Take

1:01:39

some time to do that. Long-term

1:01:44

projects like the house and the barn and a

1:01:46

few other projects around here, I'm going to start

1:01:48

working on a new truck soon. I'm looking for

1:01:50

a new car restoration. I have

1:01:52

a couple of cars in mind. I've always wanted a woody

1:01:54

but they're impossible to find. And

1:01:58

I'm just I really want to just do The

1:02:00

things that inspire me that will

1:02:02

infectiously inspire other people. That's

1:02:05

really kind of the goal. And my goal

1:02:07

has never been to make something that somebody can

1:02:09

home can make exactly the same way. That's why

1:02:11

I've never been good with plans. I've never been

1:02:13

able to sell plans. Because

1:02:15

people see me freestyling something and then

1:02:17

the plans are reverse engineered based off of that. And

1:02:19

then they're like, I don't know.

1:02:21

I don't know why. I'm just bad with plans. Maybe

1:02:23

it's just I'm bad marketing, bad at marketing plans because

1:02:25

my whole thing is like, I just think of

1:02:27

it as I go. And

1:02:31

when it comes to thumbnails and view

1:02:33

counts and stuff, I honestly believe that the stuff

1:02:35

I'm making, whether it gets a thousand views now,

1:02:39

over its lifetime, will get millions of views. And

1:02:42

I like to just continuously make evergreen

1:02:44

content that isn't necessarily attached to any

1:02:46

real current events outside of my own

1:02:48

personal learning. And

1:02:51

I think we have a life, videos will have a life

1:02:53

on YouTube as a start,

1:02:56

but as platforms change

1:02:58

and tastes change, now

1:03:00

we're going with Facebook. Voove is

1:03:02

behind the scenes putting everybody's content on Facebook. And

1:03:04

that's going to have a life and we'll get

1:03:06

some earnings there. I

1:03:09

truly believe that there's more to come,

1:03:11

that this library will be utilized over and over

1:03:14

again. Every once in a while,

1:03:16

some of my highest viewed videos are videos I made 10

1:03:18

years ago. Every

1:03:20

once in a while. And videos

1:03:23

that aren't performing well now will perform

1:03:25

later and do well. It's really also

1:03:27

the legacy of the

1:03:30

education I provide. And there's a lot

1:03:32

to that too. I'm excited

1:03:35

to continuously add bricks to that wall

1:03:37

and look to that library with each

1:03:39

video that I'm proud of.

1:03:41

That's a good way to look. So I'd rather

1:03:44

be more proud of the videos I put out than trying

1:03:46

to chase money. Because I mean, I guess I'm

1:03:48

fortunate in the way that I can make some

1:03:50

phone calls and just get money fabricating stuff. And

1:03:53

there's always loose royalty deals going

1:03:56

on in the background. I

1:04:00

can tell you about it. I

1:04:02

don't know if I should talk about that. Probably can't talk about

1:04:04

that. Never mind that. Edit that up. Now

1:04:07

there's a royalty thing going on. Once it

1:04:09

gets more traction, I'll tell everybody. So

1:04:12

yeah, I just, and

1:04:15

I'm always looking for other ways to

1:04:17

create income. Opportunities

1:04:19

here and there. Yeah. But

1:04:23

who knows? Just trying to keep

1:04:25

your eyes open and just see

1:04:27

creativity sharp. And fun and unique

1:04:29

and interesting for you. I'm

1:04:31

currently listening to this book called, I

1:04:33

think it's called Oversubscribed. And the

1:04:36

author mentions this furniture maker

1:04:39

named David Boucher. And I

1:04:41

never heard of him. And I

1:04:43

looked it up and he's

1:04:46

an older gentleman. But he

1:04:49

makes insanely high-end furniture where

1:04:52

like a table or a cabinet

1:04:55

as a single piece sells

1:04:57

for hundreds of thousands of dollars. So

1:04:59

his like clientele is like super

1:05:02

rich. And I, as I

1:05:05

started, I'm not even a fan of

1:05:08

the style of furniture. It's a little bit

1:05:11

too busy for me. But

1:05:13

I was like, what? That's coasting

1:05:16

for me is maybe

1:05:18

that's a form of coasting for me way

1:05:20

in the future as I'm older. Maybe

1:05:23

I can make high-end furniture

1:05:25

for other people. Just that

1:05:28

one project that you work on

1:05:31

for six months but then pays

1:05:33

your year salary, that sounds absolutely

1:05:35

amazing. I don't know that I'll ever get

1:05:38

there, but that could be a form of coasting for

1:05:40

me in the future. And everything

1:05:42

that I'm doing now is just building up

1:05:44

to get those skills to

1:05:46

do that when I'm older. I

1:05:51

think similarly to that, I keep going back to

1:05:55

like the product thing that

1:05:57

I feel like I've built up enough skills.

1:06:00

and understanding of problem solving

1:06:02

that I should

1:06:05

be able to create a product

1:06:07

that solves a problem for people

1:06:09

that makes something easier. I

1:06:12

feel like I've got all of the stuff around

1:06:15

this little empty spot and

1:06:17

I just don't know what goes in that empty spot. So

1:06:19

close. You're so close.

1:06:21

It's like, it's probably just

1:06:23

a matter of time before everything

1:06:25

just goes, oh, it's there.

1:06:29

Like I got it. Bar powers combined, and it's

1:06:31

like, right, I got it. And

1:06:33

then that can be something that can, like

1:06:36

you're talking about the expensive pieces, that

1:06:38

idea can be something that can fund

1:06:42

long-term. Now I get

1:06:44

to just be creative with no risk

1:06:47

and no having to hamster

1:06:50

wheel it. I don't know. Maybe

1:06:52

I won't ever get there. But I

1:06:55

think that probably is my long-term. I

1:06:58

just have to solve that

1:07:00

problem. I have to find that problem and I

1:07:02

have to solve my problem. Anyway,

1:07:07

any other thoughts on this winding

1:07:09

road of a topic? I

1:07:13

say it, I say it, I say it. I enjoy

1:07:16

just doing what I'm really learning

1:07:18

at and having fun. And

1:07:21

I think the tides will shift eventually.

1:07:24

Every 20 years things come back into fashion. So

1:07:27

I'm waiting until 2028. It'll

1:07:29

be 10 years after my peak. I

1:07:31

think I'm going to come back. So 2028, everything's going

1:07:33

to be great again. No,

1:07:35

everything's great now. When

1:07:39

I look, I made that barrel. I've been wanting to make a

1:07:41

wooden barrel like that for years. And

1:07:44

every time I see them in antique stores, I'm like, I could

1:07:46

make that, but I'm afraid of the angles. It's always what I

1:07:48

said to myself. I'm afraid of the angles. But

1:07:50

now that I have the capabilities of blacksmithing and I'm

1:07:52

able to combine the disciplines

1:07:54

I'm starting to learn more and

1:07:57

more about, there's a certain sense of freedom.

1:08:00

Like I sent you guys pictures of that print press, and

1:08:03

I was discussing with the guy, and

1:08:08

you'll see the one that I, I don't know, maybe I'll

1:08:10

Instagram this, the one that I

1:08:12

own is missing 30% of

1:08:15

the parts that are, I'll

1:08:18

never in a million years find those parts. They're not going

1:08:20

to be on eBay, they're not going to be anywhere. It's one

1:08:22

of these things that they're gone, they're gone forever to history. I'm

1:08:24

going to just have to make them from scratch. And

1:08:27

I can. There's no

1:08:29

way I can't make the rest of that machine by

1:08:31

myself with everything I have. And you

1:08:33

know, that sense of freedom is really becoming more

1:08:35

and more of, like, is

1:08:38

more and more reality. Like, like

1:08:41

yesterday, I was driving in traffic. This is

1:08:43

funny. I was driving in traffic, my truck

1:08:46

that I bought in 2023, big

1:08:48

truck, huge mirrors, the same

1:08:50

truck was coming at me on this skinny country

1:08:52

road, and boom, we hit mirrors.

1:08:55

My mirror slapped shut, his mirror slapped shut. This is

1:08:57

at seven in the morning yesterday. I put my car

1:08:59

in reverse, he puts his car in reverse, we back

1:09:01

up to each other. And I

1:09:04

go, do you have the same truck as me? He goes,

1:09:06

I think so. And we're both looking, and we're like, cool.

1:09:09

I go, is my mirror broken? He goes,

1:09:11

I don't see anything. And I go, yours has a little crack on

1:09:13

it. And he goes, all right. He goes, I don't care if you

1:09:15

don't care. I said, I'm cool. And we fist

1:09:17

bumped, and we drove away. This is yesterday morning. And

1:09:21

I got home and I looked at my mirror.

1:09:23

And I looked at my mirror. And

1:09:27

I looked at my mirror. My mirror has a big

1:09:29

chip in it. Like, you know all new cars now

1:09:31

have like a blinker on the mirror. So the blinker

1:09:33

light on the mirror was chipped. There's a big chip missing

1:09:35

out of it. And I'm like, I'm going

1:09:37

to go to Chevy. They're probably going to charge me for a

1:09:40

whole new side mirror instead of just because there's

1:09:42

one little piece of plastic missing. But

1:09:45

I have the ability though to fill in

1:09:47

that chip of plastic, wet

1:09:49

sand it, polish and grind it in so

1:09:51

it looks like it's fairly not there. And

1:09:55

I'm like, I can fix that. It's a sense of freedom

1:09:57

that most people don't have. Yeah. I'm going to fix it.

1:09:59

And maybe I'll make it into a reel, maybe I'll just

1:10:01

fix it and not say anything. But the

1:10:03

idea that the sense of freedom I

1:10:05

feel now at this age in my life is

1:10:09

I can fix and make anything I want. I

1:10:11

don't have to wait for somebody else. I don't have to. The

1:10:14

other day Rachel and I were talking, she's like, you know what

1:10:16

you need? You need a piece of music to go with you.

1:10:18

I keep using this catch up song from Apple. She's like, I'm

1:10:20

sick of hearing that in every one of your videos.

1:10:24

You got to get somebody to write a piece of music for you. And

1:10:27

I'm thinking to myself, having to deal with a musician

1:10:29

and being like, no, no, no, make it a little

1:10:31

of this. I'll make my own music.

1:10:33

I'll just figure it out myself. All I need is a 30 second loop. I'll

1:10:39

download the keyboard app or something and I'll figure it

1:10:41

out. I'll make my own piece of music.

1:10:43

First step is to buy a new computer that

1:10:45

is your garage bank computer. And

1:10:47

then you just... So

1:10:51

even though we're complaining about algorithms and all this

1:10:54

other stuff, the sense of freedom I feel right

1:10:56

now is unbelievable. We

1:10:58

all should have that sense of freedom. We're all able bodied,

1:11:00

which is obviously one of the most important things. We're

1:11:03

all healthy, thank God. There's been some people in this

1:11:05

community that we lost, like Aaron and some other people.

1:11:09

As long as you're on the right side of the grass, then you can do

1:11:11

stuff. The

1:11:14

amount of skills and knowledge that we've all amassed in

1:11:16

the last 10 years is

1:11:18

unbelievable. And the audience that

1:11:20

follows and participates, the

1:11:23

amount of knowledge is unbelievable, the amount of

1:11:25

knowledge we share. I

1:11:27

remember a time when it was all a secret. It's

1:11:30

crazy. The people in

1:11:32

our circle, when I say our circle, the people

1:11:34

who watch making videos,

1:11:37

the amount of knowledge we've

1:11:39

all gained together just

1:11:42

in the last 10 years has got to be... It's

1:11:46

mind-blowing. We've never had a

1:11:49

shift like this in knowledge, in

1:11:52

human history. That's just bonkers. My

1:11:56

final thought is... I

1:11:59

hope... 10

1:12:03

years from now, I'll probably look

1:12:05

back in 2024 and think, dude,

1:12:08

you were coasting. You were making

1:12:10

what you wanted to do. But

1:12:13

sometimes it really is hard to appreciate the

1:12:15

moment. And I do understand how lucky I

1:12:17

am. I am making art. I am making

1:12:19

pieces of furniture that I love.

1:12:22

And this is all great. And I'll probably

1:12:24

look back at this time period and think, yeah,

1:12:26

you were coasting. It feels like I'm working hard

1:12:28

right now. But

1:12:32

maybe this is coasting. Yeah. Sure.

1:12:35

So there's something that

1:12:37

I always have to remind myself is

1:12:39

when you're in it, you feel like you're running through the sand.

1:12:42

You feel like you're walking in water when you're in

1:12:44

it. But then when you look back

1:12:46

and you think, like,

1:12:48

for instance, my own personal experience, I was in the

1:12:51

city. I was in that sewer-ridden

1:12:53

basement. I never thought I was going to be able

1:12:55

to live upstate full-time. I was

1:12:57

always going to have to be tied to my clients in the

1:12:59

city. And now here it is, seven, eight

1:13:01

years after I moved upstate. And

1:13:04

I have absolutely zero interest in ever going back

1:13:06

to the city. I don't really want

1:13:08

to be near the city. I

1:13:10

am so comfortable up here. But when

1:13:13

I was down there and I thought of the leap to

1:13:15

get up here and the amount of

1:13:17

things I had to move and edit and get

1:13:19

rid of stuff and deal with my landlords, and

1:13:22

it's all so behind me right now. So when you're in

1:13:24

it, you feel like you're literally running

1:13:26

through molasses. But when you look back, you're like,

1:13:29

all I had to do was make that decision and confront it and get

1:13:31

past it. That's it. Yeah,

1:13:34

that's a good point. Well,

1:13:37

one of the reasons that we can do this

1:13:39

show, one of the things that helps us sustain

1:13:42

and this is absolute sincerity

1:13:46

is the people on Patreon that support the show. Absolute

1:13:50

sincerity. So marketing in that, other

1:13:52

than that's a gratitude from all three of

1:13:54

us towards those people for

1:13:56

supporting the show and making it possible. We

1:13:59

are very grateful. grateful for that because this is

1:14:01

something that we can do that

1:14:04

we enjoy. We get to have therapy together and we

1:14:06

get to talk and we get to brainstorm and we

1:14:08

get to complain and we get to do all these

1:14:10

things and it's

1:14:12

because we have the support of the people on

1:14:14

patreon so thank you for all of

1:14:16

that. And the people

1:14:19

that go above and beyond every week

1:14:21

are the same and they're awesome. That's

1:14:23

Nick Ryan, Cory Ward, Albers Woodworks, Works

1:14:25

by Solo, Chad from Man Crafting, Chad's

1:14:27

Custom Creations, Rich at Low and Design,

1:14:30

Odin Leathergoods, Shawn Beckner, Scott at Data

1:14:32

at Yourself DIY, Jeff at the new

1:14:34

yankee new janky workshop sorry Jeff, Warren

1:14:37

Works, Michael Monegin and Cribestree

1:14:39

Creative. But also other

1:14:42

people like Leopold.

1:14:47

Leopold's on the list. That's not Leopold. Leopold

1:14:50

thanks for the support. Appreciate it. Everybody

1:14:53

over there at all different levels gets

1:14:56

the after show which apparently Jimmy has several secret

1:14:58

things he's going to tell us. That's usually what

1:15:00

goes in the after show. It's like extra

1:15:03

secret non-public upcoming that that's the kind

1:15:05

of stuff. I forgot what I was

1:15:07

going to say. I didn't write any

1:15:09

of it. Great. Give me some triggers

1:15:11

to remember. We'll hit the rewind button and yeah we'll

1:15:14

try to figure it out. But after

1:15:16

show is more podcasts, separate podcasts,

1:15:18

us talking another 20 minutes or

1:15:20

whatever. So if you want to

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get that go over to patreon.com/making it. Sign

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up at any level and then in

1:15:27

patreon right there in the top there's a little link to

1:15:29

an RSS feed you can put in your podcast player or

1:15:31

you can listen on patreon. We

1:15:34

also do the after showing video on YouTube

1:15:36

so you get that link

1:15:38

as well so there's lots of options if

1:15:41

you want to support the show. We

1:15:43

had a lot of comments from different

1:15:47

patrons this week actually. Some

1:15:54

people frag asked

1:15:56

if we should have a discord for this

1:15:59

show for people to chat about

1:16:01

episodes. Yeah, never really thought of that. Scallop

1:16:06

Frito. We had a

1:16:08

Reddit at one point, didn't we? We did. Scallop

1:16:10

Frito sent a message while we were recording

1:16:13

asking if we had thought about doing a

1:16:15

live show at OpenSauce, which

1:16:18

we have not thought about that, but I also can't

1:16:20

go because of scheduling conflicts, so

1:16:23

unfortunately not. Anyway, we do get a lot of messages

1:16:25

and we try to, you know, I try to answer

1:16:27

them and pass them along to the guys whenever we

1:16:29

get those, so big thanks to

1:16:31

everybody over on Patreon. Do

1:16:34

you guys have anything to recommend this week? Yes.

1:16:39

The YouTube channel for Popular Science,

1:16:43

it's the YouTube channel is probably a

1:16:45

lot smaller than what you might think. They only have

1:16:47

91,000 subscribers

1:16:51

and I'm gonna call

1:16:53

them my buddy. My buddy Kevin Leber from

1:16:55

Vsauce2 is one of

1:16:57

the new hosts over there and

1:16:59

they are making fantastic videos. He

1:17:04

hosted a video called Why Do We

1:17:06

Put Holes in Our Head? and it goes through the whole

1:17:08

history of cutting holes in people's

1:17:11

heads and where it started

1:17:13

and where we're at now and they

1:17:16

put out a video yesterday where Kevin was one

1:17:18

of the hosts and it was

1:17:21

the first amputee reattachment.

1:17:26

So this kid lost his arm in

1:17:28

a weird train accident and

1:17:31

these doctors didn't know they were gonna be

1:17:33

the first. They just, everything just kind of

1:17:35

happened all, like everything just kind of lined

1:17:37

up in a perfect

1:17:39

moment where like let's just

1:17:41

try this and it worked and

1:17:43

I don't know, they're just really good, well-produced

1:17:46

videos. Popular Science.

1:17:48

I'm gonna

1:17:52

talk about Cornelius, I don't know how to say

1:17:54

his last name, Cornelius

1:17:57

Querring, if you guys haven't seen him or

1:17:59

found out. on Instagram. He is

1:18:01

a shirt clothing maker

1:18:03

and he's an incredible teacher too. He

1:18:05

shows every one of his Instagram posts

1:18:07

is a tip on making shirts

1:18:10

and making clothes and sewing. But

1:18:14

from an expert that has, obviously has

1:18:16

years of experience, practical hands-on

1:18:18

knowledge, so check out Cornelius.

1:18:21

I just posted his Instagram to our chat. Every

1:18:25

time he pops up I think to myself, I gotta take

1:18:27

the time and just go through every one of his videos

1:18:30

because every one of them is knowledge on how to make

1:18:32

clothes. Cool.

1:18:37

Mine is a video I mentioned earlier

1:18:39

by Beau Miles called Get Over Yourself

1:18:41

and short story,

1:18:44

he is beginning to

1:18:46

burn out. He makes really interesting

1:18:48

YouTube videos kind of out there, all

1:18:51

sorts of different stuff but he basically

1:18:54

goes fishing as a way to

1:18:56

decompress and then he's sitting talking to

1:18:58

his camera as he's about to get in the water

1:19:00

and this guy pulls up in a car and says,

1:19:03

are you gonna fish or are you just gonna take pictures of

1:19:05

yourself? And

1:19:07

you can see on his face it like, he

1:19:10

goes, ugh. And

1:19:12

his response is, I'm a bit

1:19:14

of a narcissist. And then it

1:19:17

like sets this whole video in

1:19:19

him reflecting on how making

1:19:21

YouTube videos does give you a lot of

1:19:23

opportunity to think about yourself way more than

1:19:26

you should and about

1:19:29

prioritizing and all this. It's a very good video but

1:19:31

it got me thinking about a lot of the same

1:19:33

stuff because I have thought a lot about narcissism in

1:19:35

regard to what we do and how I

1:19:38

would honestly prefer not to be visible

1:19:42

as much as I am but I have to

1:19:44

make myself be visible for what

1:19:47

I do and that makes me feel like I'm just

1:19:49

trying to show myself off, you know, so there's this

1:19:51

weird kind of back and forth. Anyway, it's a very

1:19:53

good video and he's got

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of because kids next them learn.