0:01

In all of our episodes, what number is this? 440.

0:07

In all of our episodes, did we have a start and

0:09

have absolutely nothing to talk about? Oh

0:12

yeah. But I mean like, and

0:14

it had an unsuccessful... 420 of those episodes probably.

0:16

But it had an unsuccessful episode, I guess is

0:19

really the better question. Oh, oh I see. I

0:22

don't know. I'm sure we've

0:24

had some unsuccessful episodes. Because let us know

0:26

which one's your lead's favorite episode down below.

0:29

Go back and listen to them all. Tell us which one

0:31

you hate. This is typically what happened. Let's come in with

0:33

a good idea, which is probably about one out of five

0:35

episodes we have a good idea to start with. The

0:38

three of us sit here in silence and go, what do you want

0:40

to talk about? And then Bob just goes, let's

0:42

just figure it out. And then we go

0:44

into it. And it always works out. Like we don't have anything

0:46

to talk about before we hit the mic. And

0:48

once you hit the mic, then we have plenty to

0:50

talk about. When it comes to topics, that is. Well,

0:53

it's the thing we spent like 30

0:56

something minutes talking before we hit record.

0:59

Inside baseball. I

1:01

do think this is the first episode where we've all

1:03

worn black. Oh yeah. Oh, look

1:05

at that. Bob, is that

1:08

a big wheel? It's a new theme. It is.

1:10

It's a big wheel like from Tron. Like it's

1:12

all outlined. I've

1:14

seen recently big wheels for humans,

1:17

rather for grown humans. Have you seen that?

1:19

For humans. For

1:22

full size humans. What

1:24

were the original big wheels made for? Rodents.

1:27

Oh. Well,

1:30

I was going to start. You

1:32

had a much better start. I was going to say I'm

1:34

really hungry because I didn't eat

1:36

breakfast and I'm feeling

1:39

it now. And I really should have because it's probably

1:41

going to affect how well I do at coming up

1:43

with something to talk about. Do you guys eat breakfast?

1:46

No, I don't eat until noon. The same with me. That's

1:48

what I've been doing the last few months. Yeah.

1:51

I started to say that, wow, but then I guess I kind of

1:53

do the same thing. So it's not that well.

1:58

Well, maybe we should take a break and I'll go eat. something

2:02

anyway arigas what's what's new

2:05

i'm good i'm good i started a new

2:07

project this week in uh... i

2:10

got another gig from a liquor company and

2:13

making i just showed you guys pictures of

2:15

it but i'm making a little uh... golf

2:17

cart bar trailer which is interesting to get

2:19

pulled behind the golf cart and

2:22

some i'm engineering it from a three

2:25

d illustration the computer

2:27

people within the marketing team over there

2:30

draw up an image everybody

2:32

approves image in the name of the image of your make

2:34

this and so i'm engineering

2:37

all the different aspects of it trying

2:39

to work with what's on the market because it all has

2:42

to be done of course for june first they

2:45

had all of those people you have

2:47

to follow somebody's mock-up that has no

2:49

idea about the reality of building nobody

2:52

ever complains when you think about

2:54

it like think about when you're alone with something and then

2:56

you look at a picture and then you turn away and

2:58

yet you go to find the right after

3:00

you've already looked at the picture anything to

3:02

yourself you might just giving you a vague image of

3:05

that to remember and you go and you go to

3:07

the wood pile and go okay this will be okay

3:10

i'm the guy making it on the most intimately

3:13

involve person with this image in the subject

3:15

and i still can't remember exactly the details

3:17

the spacing this thing i showed you have

3:20

some strips on it i

3:22

looked at it fifty times before

3:24

i really go back and look at it and count how many strips are

3:26

on it and i think six these

3:28

horizontal strips which make up the graphic element on the side

3:30

if there's six of them i don't know if there was

3:33

eight of them i couldn't remember every time i looked at

3:35

it i walk away and i go try and find a

3:37

piece of trim that was the right side i

3:39

finally took a sharpie and laid it all out on

3:41

the wooden side of the the progress

3:43

that i'm up to now so that i

3:45

could look at it from far away and be like that's

3:49

how many strips go on so the point

3:51

of making this is even

3:53

the person who drew it would

3:55

turn away from the drawing that he made and look at it go

3:58

looks just like it in effect I

4:00

could have made several. It's

4:08

on a trailer, it's a bar sitting on a trailer, and

4:11

in their image, they only have the

4:13

critical dimensions of the height of the bar and the

4:15

height of the, there's a secondary bar. So

4:18

one is 42 inches high

4:20

at the max, and the other one is two foot 10

4:22

inches at its max. But

4:25

that doesn't account, doesn't give me a height of

4:27

the trailer itself. So the airspace underneath it is

4:30

variable. So the

4:32

one in the picture seems deeper

4:34

overall, the one I made because of the height

4:36

of the trailer takes still some of the inches

4:38

from the bottom of it. But

4:40

nobody would ever know that. Just

4:43

looking at this drawing, and then they look away from the drawing and

4:45

look at the real thing and they go, wow. I

4:52

think I'm gonna be safe. That's the point. Yeah.

4:55

So I'm doing that. It seems like

4:57

once you have an idea like that

4:59

come out of a marketing

5:02

department, they've already been really

5:04

focused on getting something created.

5:07

And I know most of the marketing people I've worked

5:09

with in the past were like really rigid on, this

5:12

is the idea, this is the one that's

5:14

gonna make us a billion dollars. And if

5:16

you mess with it, you know. Yeah, well,

5:18

you know what would be interesting is when

5:20

the conversation first started in the end of

5:22

February, they sent

5:24

me a CGI image of the same thing. And

5:27

so it's a yellow strip. There's some new branded product

5:30

coming out. It has this branded color yellow. It's like

5:32

a bright yellow. So there's a

5:34

yellow strip and then a negative space,

5:36

a yellow strip, a negative space. So that's the

5:39

decoration on this card. And

5:41

the yellow strip is three

5:43

dimensional. And then the set back strip in between

5:45

in the original drawings was chrome. So it would

5:48

have had evolved been chrome. So like the substructure

5:50

would look like it's chrome with all these elements

5:52

stuck to it. And

5:55

when he sent me the drawing and I had to consider it

5:57

or something, and I'm like, oh, I could buy chrome sheeting. I

5:59

can drag chrome. chrome

6:02

laminate, trying to think how I could do

6:04

this. And then when they finally came

6:06

back to me, when we settled on a price and

6:08

everything, he said, good news. And because I talked him

6:10

into just going with wood, so it's white

6:13

oak, then yellow, then white oak, then yellow. It

6:15

seems more warmer. It also doesn't look really as

6:17

like 80s, kind

6:20

of flashy. It looks more classic,

6:22

which is great because I have tons of white

6:24

oak left over from a project I did last

6:27

summer. So I got the material. I

6:29

have white oak laminate, which I'm going to be able to

6:31

use. So that was a nice welcome

6:34

change that I didn't even ask for. So I was

6:36

all prepared to deal with the chrome, this chrome laminate.

6:39

So they came back with an adjustment. So that's

6:41

the only big adjustment from the

6:43

original drawing, is just to go the finish

6:45

change, which works in my favor because it's

6:48

cheaper and easier to deal with. You

6:50

have something that's super high polished chrome the whole time you're wearing

6:53

like when you're going to scratch it, you don't want to touch

6:55

it. You don't want to leave a fingerprint on it because when

6:57

you do leave a fingerprint on like a chrome laminate, trying

7:00

to get it off, forget it, unless you're buffing the whole

7:02

thing. Even if you just leave

7:04

a greasy human fingerprint on it, just from your

7:06

natural skin oils, to wipe that off.

7:08

And then all of a sudden you wipe it off

7:10

and then you just have a whole little buff spot

7:12

that's all scratched from the towel you just used. I'm

7:17

glad I don't have to deal with that. Yeah.

7:21

Sounds like it. And then what else am I

7:23

working on? I'm going to start.

7:25

I'm doing this guitar stool in the Samalu style.

7:28

I'm going to start that probably tomorrow. The

7:30

graveyard house is moving along. I

7:33

got to do some work on it this week. But

7:36

I am working on a new video for that. A lot

7:38

of people ask me. It might just be a work

7:41

video and then like kind of a reintroduction since it's a

7:43

new season. I

7:45

started talking to an electrical company that might help

7:48

me with a whole electrical grid for the house, which

7:50

is perfect timing because the house has nothing in it

7:52

right now. So it's

7:54

an opportunity to do all this high tech

7:56

stuff like internet

7:59

connection. circuit trees where I can turn on

8:01

the house, turn off the house. My

8:04

friend was telling me this company has... I haven't

8:07

delved too deeply into their product but they came to me and

8:09

they're like, hey would you be interested? This is not sure. So

8:12

they're still working out the details for an influencer program

8:14

because it's new to them. But

8:16

there's a whole situation

8:19

now where you can have your

8:21

circuit board or your switch panel connected to your program

8:23

on your phone. So when you look at it you

8:25

can see what circuits, you can turn them on and

8:27

off from the phone and you can

8:29

see which circuits are drawing what amount of power. So

8:32

you can see... I think I got an email about this.

8:35

What's it called? I don't

8:37

know what that is. My friend told me about that.

8:39

He said that's a new technology and I

8:41

think this company, I don't want to say that loud just

8:43

shit, this company has that technology because

8:45

they're like 3M as far as electrical goes

8:47

when it comes to like vast

8:50

amount of products. I'll

8:55

text you to the name of the company. Yeah,

8:58

I got an email from this one

9:00

company that I didn't have a use

9:03

for it really but they

9:06

had this like some

9:09

sort of a box that you would install

9:13

and then all of your lights,

9:15

all of your light fixtures and

9:17

switches and all that stuff could

9:19

be connected to an Ethernet cable

9:22

but then all of the Ethernet cable went to

9:24

this box. And so it was passing power through

9:26

Ethernet and I'm sure that there were limitations on

9:28

that amount of power and stuff. I didn't really

9:30

look into it that far. But

9:32

it was kind of interesting in that you could basically

9:35

run internet or network

9:37

cable throughout your house as

9:39

the electrical system for

9:42

some things. And

9:44

then because you had that kind of connections,

9:47

they were doing a lot of metering and stuff, the

9:50

same kind of thing. But then you had smart

9:53

connectivity for all of those

9:55

things. It was kind of a weird, it

9:57

seemed like it was a good solution but it was kind of

9:59

a weird way to think about doing electrical

10:02

stuff for me.

10:05

Well, let's see. We're going

10:07

to go deep into the website and see what products we

10:09

can do because we could start from

10:11

zero and when it gets down to switch

10:13

plates, switches, everything

10:15

is placed with supply. So it's

10:18

a big manufacturer of all kinds of crazy stuff.

10:21

So that's another exciting thing. And then there

10:23

was one other thing. Oh, my barn, my

10:25

backyard barn. I'm moving through that.

10:27

I've been working with a company called Steel Lighting. They

10:30

just gave me a bunch of, they make vintage lights

10:32

just like the old style factory hooded

10:34

lights that you see all the time at flea markets and stuff.

10:37

They manufacture those in California.

10:42

So I'm going to be working on a video with them. But

10:44

I got most of the videos in the can. And

10:47

then I don't know what I'm going to do for siding because

10:50

everything is $25,000. Everything

10:52

you do is $25,000. My

10:55

friend David, David who listens to the

10:58

show, David the Mexican Carpenter, he came

11:01

by to visit with his crew. And I

11:04

might have talked David into helping me do

11:06

the siding and building the

11:08

stairwell. So this is a public

11:10

push. David, you got to come back.

11:13

No pressure. Yeah. He

11:16

has a client near here in a big city near

11:18

here. So he goes to that client from time to

11:20

time. He's from Maryland. And

11:22

he texted me and said, hey, I'm in town. I want to

11:24

come visit and see the project. And he did, David

11:27

and his crew did the exterior

11:29

for the barn, the TV show barn. So they

11:31

did that, the windows exterior, the

11:33

cement. So he had a huge hand

11:36

in getting the TV show barn set up

11:38

and built. And he says he's

11:40

probably going to help with the siding and this other thing. So if

11:42

that all works out, that would be fantastic. The

11:46

reason I said the siding is obviously so expensive,

11:48

he has a partnership with somebody and he's trying

11:50

to talk to him into maybe possibly giving me

11:52

the siding or working out a deal. Maybe

11:54

it won't be free, but it won't be a full

11:57

price. So that's exciting. So

12:01

I'm working on a lot of things, always juggling a lot

12:03

of things. Sounds

12:06

like it. Yeah. Yeah, like

12:08

just the day of the week has a different barn to work

12:10

on or a different house, barns,

12:17

bar carts, everything. Well

12:20

David, what about you? I'm not

12:22

filming anything this week. It's kind of like

12:24

a maintenance week, a time to catch up.

12:27

For the last 8, 10

12:29

months I've been going to bed earlier and

12:32

that means less tinkering in the shop

12:34

at night. And

12:36

so I'm behind on a lot of things.

12:39

And so I don't know if you guys have,

12:42

I know Jimmy has a plasma CNC, Bob,

12:44

do you have one too? I

12:47

do. There's a hundred wires.

12:52

The wire management on these things are... It's

12:55

crazy. Yeah, because you have all the

12:58

wires for the CNC, computer wire, power wire, wire

13:00

goes to

13:02

the spindle so it can speak to that. And

13:04

there's like zero effort put into like trying to

13:06

manage them. They're just everywhere. And

13:09

then they're all a different thickness,

13:11

they're all a different length, they all have

13:13

to go to different places. And

13:16

then you know what's crazy too? I did this the other day

13:18

because I'm fixing my... one of my shop bots had a problem

13:20

so they sent me a new driver. I took up the circuit

13:22

board, put the thing on. And then there's a

13:24

bundle of wires and I'm like, oh let me zip tie

13:26

those together to organize them. And then I'm like, it's probably

13:28

going to create some weird static electricity thing which I won't

13:30

be able to figure out for a month. So

13:33

I was like, let me just leave them alone. So I

13:35

didn't bundle this whole... it would have been as thick as

13:37

my thumb bundle of wires. They were all just

13:39

loose inside the cavity. I was like, let me just leave it. I'm

13:41

not going to do it. I don't know. The

13:43

wire management on my Avid is pretty great. So

13:46

I don't know what you guys are complaining about. So

13:51

my plasma CNC, it's a smaller one. It's

13:53

like a 20 by 30 inches. And

13:58

it's in... Kelly's garage and

14:00

its own wheel so it can be pushed out of

14:02

the way So I'm trying to make it so it

14:04

is a little bit mobile because it Where

14:08

it sits it blocks a door to the to

14:10

the porch. So it has to be Wire

14:14

managed and and and least rollable out of

14:16

the way. So I've been doing

14:18

that and then

14:22

Changing on my regular CNC

14:24

the brush has started to go out after

14:26

a few years So I'm changing those and

14:29

then I didn't expect

14:31

this but every year year

14:33

and a half I changed the the

14:35

backdrop in my shop there's a sliding

14:37

wall and they're basically just pocket doors

14:39

on a track and they slide out

14:42

of the way and That access all

14:44

my storage and my shelves behind there

14:46

and it's usually the the backdrop to

14:48

my to my bench earlier

14:51

this year I Re-panel them

14:53

with this cherry paneling and

14:55

it just it doesn't work. It's like the

14:57

same Color

14:59

tone as my skin. It's

15:02

the same color as my workbench

15:05

All the shirts that I wear are like

15:07

earth tone. So my videos there's no contrast

15:10

and it's just it just looks boring

15:12

and So

15:14

me being a visual person. I'm like, okay,

15:16

this has to go So I've been changing

15:18

out that back wall and now instead

15:21

of using doors They're just regular

15:23

doors that are just hanging in a pocket

15:25

track. I got some walnut plywood And

15:28

so that is the new backdrop. So

15:32

I think walnut is more on brand with with

15:34

me. Anyway, so just and at

15:36

all my my planers and

15:39

Joiners all the little cutting heads. They all

15:41

need to be turned. They all have the

15:44

spiral thing. I Just

15:46

it's a it's a it's a week maybe

15:48

two weeks of just not filming and just

15:50

pure maintenance catching up on all the little

15:52

stuff Cool

15:57

so next week I'm probably gonna have another boring answer of

15:59

what I'm working on I'm

16:02

still catching up from last week when I was

16:04

catching it. Yeah. Yeah, the

16:06

way it goes. Well, I

16:08

have been still working

16:10

on the kind of clean room. And

16:13

actually, there's a thing we could talk

16:15

about. I've been calling the room in

16:17

my shop that I'm building that's all the 3D printers

16:19

and the big printer and the computers

16:22

and all this stuff are going to go in there and

16:24

it needs to be dust-free-ish kind of.

16:28

I've been calling it a clean room, and that's a terrible

16:30

name. It's a functional name. It

16:32

needs a name. Name. Do

16:35

you guys have any idea? It's going to look

16:37

spacey and it's going to be cool designed and

16:40

interesting. It needs a name.

16:43

Hmm. Jimmy's

16:46

like texting somebody or something. Did

16:49

you hear anything? Yeah, I did. I'm

16:51

trying to clear off my camera. I'm trying

16:53

to connect it to the app. I

16:56

keep thinking maybe the lab, something like that. I've

16:58

got to come up with a simple… The incubator.

17:02

Somebody else made that. Yeah, something similar

17:04

to that. It's the place where ideas are

17:06

born, kind of. Very

17:09

storm central. What

17:11

about… Maybe something quick, something short. What

17:14

about a phrase from Star Wars? I'm not

17:16

even being sarcastic. Yeah.

17:20

The trash packer. That's it. I also want it to be something that…

17:22

Not a deep cut on something, so that if I say trash packer,

17:24

it would be like, what is that? Is

17:33

that your dumpster room? Is that your garbage can

17:35

room? So it needs

17:38

to be something that kind of sits. We don't have

17:40

to decide right now, but think about it. What

17:43

was the big glow called with the dot in it? What was

17:45

that big thing called? The globe

17:47

with the dot in it. The Death Star? Yeah,

17:49

that's it. The

17:52

globe with the dot in it. The Death Star.

17:54

You can call it that. Yeah. What

17:57

would you call… What

18:01

would you call Darth Vader's underwear? What would you call

18:03

that? I don't know. What would

18:05

you... I'm waiting for the punchline. I don't

18:07

know. I'm brainstorming. I'm blue sky-ing. I'm

18:10

blue sky-ing if I do. I'm just trying to go super deep. Ask,

18:13

ask. All right. Well,

18:15

go ahead and do that while

18:17

I'm talking so we at least know what

18:19

the answer is. So

18:28

basically I've been working on this room still, and

18:31

it needs a name, but I

18:33

got pretty far through the room. The

18:37

video was supposed to be, look, there's

18:39

a blank area. I'm going to build a room and

18:41

make it look cool and fill it up with all

18:43

the stuff. And I've been working on

18:45

it for like two weeks now, or a

18:47

week and a half or something. And there's

18:49

so much to do. There's so much

18:51

to do before I even get to making it look cool.

18:53

And so I think what I'm actually going to do is

18:55

split the video. So it's weird to start

18:58

with one intention and then

19:00

change that intention mid-video. But I

19:02

think it makes more sense to split

19:05

it and have the first video about

19:08

making the space like bare bones ready

19:10

to go. And in the second video,

19:12

give myself time to actually design and

19:15

come up with programming for the lights to do

19:17

cool things and all that stuff. All right. Go

19:19

ahead and tell me what Darth Vader's underwear would

19:21

be called. So the response

19:23

I got from chat GPT was

19:25

Darth Vader's underwear could humorously be

19:28

called dark drawers or

19:30

perhaps the Emperor's new groin guards. It

19:35

doesn't roll up the tongue for a room. It

19:37

does not. It's

19:39

groin guards. But that's what I'm calling

19:41

it. Oh boy. Did

19:45

you get something different, Jimmy? No, I

19:47

didn't try. I don't know how to use that app. I'm too old. Oh

19:53

man. Gosh,

19:57

I kind of want to make that the title for

19:59

the episode. Nah. Anyway,

20:03

so I think I'm gonna split this video into

20:05

two videos, but make the second one more about

20:07

the you know taking

20:09

a blank space and Designing

20:13

it into the thing that you want it

20:15

to be because there's like the functional building

20:17

of walls and wall coverings and ceiling And

20:19

you know lights and electrical and all that

20:21

stuff that I had to do and it's

20:23

a lot but I

20:27

don't want to skip over that to get to design

20:29

that I have to do so quickly that it doesn't

20:31

actually come across You know what I mean? So I

20:34

think I'm gonna split it and There's

20:37

a little bit of a relief in that Because

20:40

now that I decided that and I kind of

20:42

switched gears in the video now I just know

20:44

that my end point is a lot closer for

20:47

this particular chunk of it And

20:49

so it was actually a bit of a

20:51

relief to know that I only have 10 more

20:54

steps instead of 20 more steps to go

20:57

but yesterday I got the a lot

21:00

of the paneling put up I got the lights I

21:03

Get the grid installed on the ceiling for the drop ceiling

21:05

and it's just like this in my office where it's just

21:07

normal drop ceiling but it's all black and

21:10

These lights that I have these big

21:12

light panels look really cool on a

21:14

black ceiling like they they pop out.

21:16

So I've

21:19

got a you know finish putting those in finish the

21:21

paneling on the wall and then I'm gonna paint the

21:23

entire room black So the whole space is gonna get

21:26

really uniform soon And

21:30

so I think it'll look cool just to have have it

21:32

all kind of like a good starting place for the next

21:34

thing That's really what I've

21:36

been doing. That's all I've been doing And

21:41

it's been it's been cool work But I'm ready

21:43

now to move on to the interesting part of

21:45

it you know because I mean like I've framed

21:47

up walls and I've covered them with plywood and

21:49

paneling and Now I've got

21:51

to run a bunch of conduit to do electrical on the outside

21:53

of the walls and stuff like this And so I'm kind of

21:55

ready to move on to the fun That's

22:00

pretty much what I've been doing. But

22:04

we didn't have a topic, but I was looking

22:06

for something to recommend. And I remembered this video

22:08

from last week and the feeling that it gave

22:10

me. And I don't like the feeling. And

22:13

so I think this might actually be a place, something to

22:15

talk about. And

22:18

I'm catching you guys off guard because we didn't

22:20

talk about this. So Colin

22:23

and Samir, you know Colin and Samir?

22:25

They make excellent videos and they

22:27

interview people and stuff like that. They

22:31

put out a video recently called Surviving 24

22:33

Hours with Mark Rober. And

22:36

it's about 17 minutes long. Did you watch this,

22:38

David? I did, yes. Okay,

22:42

so Mark is a friend of mine. We don't know

22:44

each other super well, but we're friends and we text

22:46

and chat and I root for him

22:48

and I'm so glad that he has

22:50

had the success that he has had.

22:52

And so this is my response to

22:55

this is nothing negative towards Mark at

22:57

all. I just wanna make that really

22:59

quick. I watched that video

23:02

and in the video, Colin

23:04

and Samir, he calls them to come

23:06

out to a shoot that he's doing

23:08

and he's talking about how much money

23:10

he's spending on this shoot and how

23:12

that money is justified because he's built

23:14

up Crunch Labs, which is his subscription

23:16

box thing. And he talks about how

23:18

much money it has made and how

23:20

it's exploded in this way that he

23:22

didn't expect. And it's great. It's

23:25

the picture of I'm

23:28

gonna make videos to be able to make

23:30

a product. The product explodes and now the

23:32

videos become the marketing for the product. And

23:34

it's just this thing

23:37

where one steps up which causes the other to

23:39

step up, which causes the other to step

23:41

up. And it's this, both things

23:43

are lifting each other. Again,

23:45

amazing for him, amazing.

23:48

And for the people that he's reaching through this, this

23:52

is also not a pity party thing. I'm

23:55

just telling you my reaction to this. So

23:57

I'm watching this with my friend being successful.

24:00

In our space kind of tangentially in

24:02

our space and the making things there's

24:05

kits there's selling product YouTube all of

24:07

that stuff crossover and

24:09

I watched most of this video and I

24:11

started getting this feeling of Just

24:15

total failure of

24:17

this Wow,

24:20

like I I

24:22

have not accomplished the

24:24

stuff that I wanted to

24:27

accomplish I'm behind. Yes. I'm

24:29

not yet. Yeah, like let me get through the

24:32

my reaction to that was just like in the

24:34

moment Like what am I 10 years?

24:36

I've been doing this for 10 years Look at

24:39

where marks and look at where and I immediately

24:41

went into this comparison thing Yeah, where

24:43

I was like, I mean mark

24:45

was born with more subscribers than I Will

24:48

ever have so it's not it's not at

24:50

all a fair comparison mark is doing great

24:52

and he deserves his success But

24:56

you know, I immediately felt

24:58

without even meaning to this

25:00

comparison That

25:02

I should be further along. I should

25:05

have grown my thing higher

25:08

bigger wider than I actually

25:10

have And I

25:12

know in the last year I've actually taken steps

25:14

back from that growth. I've shrank things down on

25:17

purpose and

25:19

I Just had this

25:21

like really Like

25:24

somebody was stepping on my chest kind of

25:26

feeling just like Man, I

25:28

am behind and I kept saying that

25:31

to myself. I'm I'm behind Okay.

25:34

Now the irony of this is that the day

25:36

before that I was listening to I

25:38

think I've told you guys about this book That I really love

25:41

on becoming a king. Mm-hmm. I've

25:44

listened to this book twice and I am listening to

25:46

it a third time it is a Faith

25:50

based book about being a good steward of the things that

25:52

you have So if you don't believe in the faith stuff

25:54

that I believe in I get that you may not be

25:56

interested But I think there's a lot of wisdom regardless of

25:58

that. There's a lot of wisdom in

26:01

the book about

26:05

using things wisely, stewarding things so

26:07

that you can be trusted with

26:09

more things. That's the premise of

26:11

the whole book. It's like your

26:13

wisdom and your

26:16

careful use of resource and people, and

26:18

not use of people, but the way

26:20

that you manage people and all that

26:22

stuff sets you up to

26:25

be trusted with more

26:27

to take care of. That's the whole idea. And

26:30

so I was listening to that book, and one of

26:33

the things that it talks about

26:35

the day before was that

26:37

our society and

26:41

our failed,

26:44

the people above us

26:46

who have failed us in

26:48

the past and stuff, have

26:50

given us this natural tendency

26:52

to feel like we are not measuring

26:54

up to something that everybody else is

26:57

doing, to feel like we're behind. And

27:00

so I had just read that

27:02

and how that's not true. That's not where

27:04

your worth comes from. That's not where your

27:06

value comes from as a person. And

27:09

in the book, it's talking

27:11

about our value actually

27:14

comes from our creator. And so

27:16

our value, our worth is laid

27:18

on us outside of our own

27:20

actions and stuff. And

27:23

so I just heard this, this

27:25

direct opposition to what I was

27:27

feeling. And

27:29

it took me a good 24 hours to

27:31

really shake off that feeling of like, why

27:34

am I even doing this? I

27:36

have not made progress. I have not moved ahead

27:38

in the way that I feel like I should

27:40

move ahead. And

27:43

then there came a point the next day where

27:46

I just logically thought

27:48

about it, about

27:51

why I felt that way and

27:53

how I am not behind. I'm exactly where I'm supposed

27:55

to be at this point in time. And I was

27:57

in a different place last year and I'll be in

27:59

a different place. place next year, but

28:03

my productivity and my value

28:08

in the addition that I have to the

28:10

world has nothing to do with that stuff.

28:12

It has nothing to do with my accomplishment.

28:16

And it just, I don't know, it was a bunch of stuff kind of

28:18

hit me at the same time and I

28:22

don't blame that video, but even

28:25

looking at the thumbnail gives me a really sour

28:27

feeling right now. And I

28:29

don't know, like we can, we'll

28:32

get to the comparison stuff here in a second. But

28:35

I watched that video and

28:37

I thought of you, Bob, but I thought of you

28:39

in a completely different way. So

28:44

you went, you filmed the video

28:46

with him a couple

28:48

of years ago and I remember you

28:51

saying something about his

28:54

videos were like shot on a phone

28:57

and it was very like low budget

28:59

and just use what you have so

29:01

you can capture the moment. And

29:03

then I watched this video, 24

29:06

hours with Mark Rober, and

29:08

there are production managers. There's a,

29:10

there's like a director.

29:12

There's a whole set of people. There are

29:15

cameras that cost more than my house to shoot this

29:17

video. And all I kept thinking was like, Bob

29:20

gave Mark advice and

29:23

some guidance on shooting videos and

29:25

now a couple years later, look

29:27

where Mark is at. This is

29:29

crazy. And so,

29:34

and I don't,

29:36

that's the takeaway that I took from it. I

29:38

was like, that's so cool that Mark

29:41

is here where he's at now. And

29:44

maybe, maybe, maybe not, but maybe

29:47

Bob had something to do with that

29:49

and that's really cool. I

29:52

took this positive away from the video. Well,

29:54

that's kind, but I don't think that's the truth. I

29:57

don't think he's incredibly intelligent. and

30:00

skilled and really good at

30:04

setting things in motion to get

30:06

somewhere that nobody else has gotten in all

30:08

sorts of ways. So, yeah. Mark is very,

30:10

very, very talented. He's very charismatic too. When

30:13

you meet and talk to him, he's

30:15

on another level. With

30:18

his marketing, with his ability to say

30:20

a sentence, with his

30:22

infectious charisma, every

30:25

once in a while someone comes along and

30:28

he's one of those people that

30:30

just can't seem to do anything that's

30:32

gonna not work. And

30:34

you're absolutely right. And that's one of the

30:37

interesting things about the comparison thing, is he's

30:39

an outlier. Like a way

30:41

outlier. And

30:43

so to compare yourself to an outlier

30:45

like that, even unintentionally,

30:47

is ridiculous. Like it doesn't

30:50

make any sense to take

30:52

a comparison like that and put any stock into

30:54

it. And like I

30:56

mentioned, I didn't mean to. It just, it's head to

30:59

head. Good old reaction. That reaction

31:01

you had is totally human. And I'm not gonna sit

31:03

here and say that's never happened to me. The

31:08

gate opens and we're all in a horse race

31:10

and we're all going down the track. Someone's gonna

31:12

be the far ahead winner, right? And you gotta

31:15

also, you gotta just look at that and think,

31:18

I'll go back a little bit. I got into the toy business in

31:20

1989, 1990. And

31:26

in the toy business, I watched 15

31:28

maybe people become

31:30

multimillionaires that were in

31:32

the same, in the

31:34

same stratosphere as me. And then

31:37

they just blew up with the right

31:39

product, the right marketing, the right team,

31:41

the right this. And every one

31:43

of those people that I watched become millionaires and it could

31:45

have been me, could have been me and my brother, it

31:47

could have been anybody, but it was them and it was

31:49

not me. Every

31:52

one of those people, their lives compounded,

31:54

complicated times thousand. So

31:58

I see people, obviously it's nice to have. money. You know,

32:00

people say, oh, money doesn't buy happiness. I think it

32:02

does. But when

32:05

you're in a situation like

32:09

what Mark is in, you

32:11

could imagine the team he has to deal with. The

32:13

amount of time he's not alone. The amount

32:16

of personal time he doesn't have. He's

32:18

also working with Jimmy Kimmel. They're doing TV

32:20

shows. He's hiring other people. And

32:23

it's exciting. And if you're an A-type personality

32:25

and you enjoy that, that's great. But

32:27

when I see that and I try and put myself in

32:30

that situation, I think, how much free time will I not

32:32

have? How many conversations do I have to have that I

32:34

don't want to have? How many times are I going to

32:36

have to be phony and be like, oh, that's great. I

32:38

love that idea. I hate that idea. I don't want to

32:40

do it. I think of

32:43

myself in that situation. And

32:45

there's a time where I was definitely envious of

32:47

that. But now I think of the

32:50

peace and tranquility that I have. My

32:53

bills are paid. I saw a

32:55

thing that popped up on Instagram the other

32:57

day, this young gentleman was going around a

32:59

promenade somewhere and interviewing old people, everybody that

33:01

looked 70 a plus. Tell

33:04

me what you love about life. Tell me what's

33:07

the meaning of life. And every one of those people said,

33:12

what would you tell your younger self? Don't worry about money.

33:14

It's not as big of a deal as you think. As

33:16

long as your bills are paid and you have health. And

33:18

that's what all those people said. And I kind of already

33:20

started to feel like that at my age,

33:22

57. As long as my

33:24

bills are paid, I'm totally happy. It's when

33:26

the bills can't get paid is when you feel poor. But if

33:28

all the bills are paid and you have a little bit of

33:30

money in the bank, everything's

33:33

good. And you know that money is going to get replaced each

33:35

month, you know you're pretty good. So

33:39

I've gone through it. I've gone through what you're going

33:41

through. And you

33:44

sit back and you think, I've gotten so close.

33:47

We're all going through it now with the low view

33:49

counts and everything else and just the amount of the

33:52

audience has gotten so wide and varied and what the

33:54

audience looks at is so wide and varied. And

33:56

we just have to eke out a living. He

34:02

also had to look at it and try to be inspired by it. He's

34:05

been able to… That's a good point.

34:07

He's also been able to… Like I

34:09

said, when we watched Mark that time,

34:11

he was just so charismatic. He's like

34:13

one in a billion type of

34:15

personalities that comes along. Like, I

34:18

can't even think of a… like

34:21

Brad Pitt or somebody, you know, that's just

34:23

so charming that it doesn't seem like anything

34:25

they could do would ever be anything other

34:27

than welcomed and paid for. It's…

34:31

you just got to look at that and go, how can I get

34:33

a little bit of that? How can I create a

34:35

little bit of that for myself? But

34:37

when I look at it, I think of… I certainly

34:40

want the success, but without… I

34:44

just… I don't want a team around

34:46

me, basically is what I'm saying. I like being

34:48

completely solo. And when you see that the consequences,

34:50

you got bankers, accountants, and this and that. You

34:52

know, I remember when my brother John started getting

34:54

really, really… He started

34:57

like getting into the Illuminati,

34:59

so to speak. I'm kind of joking. But like when he

35:01

got into the Illuminati and he got his $600,000 advance

35:03

from Paramount Pictures,

35:05

he got a money manager, three

35:08

agents at UTA, a

35:12

manager. So now a lawyer, when

35:15

he got $600,000, I think he went home with like $250,000 because so many

35:19

commissions were taken out of it. It's

35:24

just unbelievable once you start getting

35:26

into that stratosphere how there's

35:28

so many little pieces that need to be

35:32

attended to, so many pieces of the puzzle.

35:36

And it's nice to know I get a chunk of money,

35:38

I put it in the bank. I don't have… I

35:41

mean, I have part-time employees, but I don't have a payroll.

35:43

I don't have a… I

35:46

have an agent, but only the money he brings

35:48

me goes to him. I

35:50

make lots of money on my own without my agent,

35:52

so I'm fortunate for that. But

35:55

yeah, the more… It's… Vicki

35:58

said it. More money, more… problems,

36:00

right? I mean... I

36:03

mean, so I think that part of my

36:05

reaction to that was just that I know

36:08

maybe five years ago we had looked

36:10

at creating a kit of

36:12

like stem boxes, like basically the same

36:14

thing as crunch labs and that

36:16

had been a goal of mine for a really long time

36:19

and it was just like a hard thing to get moving

36:21

and I never put enough time into it to really move

36:23

it. You know, and I intentionally

36:26

set that idea aside. I

36:28

decided this is not something I'm going to

36:30

pursue. So it's not

36:32

anybody else. That's not me. I just chose not

36:34

to do it. So I think

36:36

part of my reaction was like, oh man, if I

36:38

had followed that through, but I'm

36:41

not Mark. I'm not in the

36:43

same situation. It wouldn't

36:45

have equaled the same thing. I mean, it could have

36:47

been good or bad in a different way, but it

36:49

would have been the same thing. It's

36:51

just that natural human response

36:54

to, well, I could have, but I didn't. I

36:56

chose not to. And then, you know,

36:58

you fast forward to now and

37:00

the changes that I have intentionally decided

37:03

to make in my life to scale

37:05

things back and to redistribute my time

37:08

really hard to my family and

37:10

to, I mean, that stuff is

37:13

on purpose. That stuff is well

37:16

thought through. And so the

37:18

fact that I live my life now as I live

37:20

my life, it's not

37:22

because I couldn't do something else. It's because I

37:24

chose not to. It's because I chose, I want

37:27

right now to be this way. And

37:29

in five years, it may be a different way. I

37:31

may change, you know, I may grow something up again.

37:33

I may work at Home Depot. I

37:35

don't know. You know,

37:38

it's like I chose to be right where I am. And

37:41

I really didn't like that feeling of

37:45

the comparison because I don't do a whole lot

37:47

of that, but I really felt it. And

37:51

I didn't like feeling it. I

37:53

didn't like putting myself in that comparison place because

37:55

I chose to be here. You know

37:57

what I mean? It's not like boo-hoo, somebody put me here.

38:00

And so it was just

38:03

a weird thing and I'm glad that

38:05

I was able to Step

38:08

away from that feeling enough to be able to logically

38:10

think through it again and be like oh like no

38:12

this is I Don't

38:14

need to feel behind. I don't really need

38:16

to feel like I missed something I Chose

38:20

to be where I am. I chose to

38:22

live my days like I'm living them in

38:25

the last two weekends I have gone out of

38:27

town with my kids for soccer

38:29

tournaments and we have had fun and

38:31

we have Intentionally spent that time together

38:33

and I could have stayed here and worked and let my

38:35

wife do those things But I

38:38

chose to do that which means I also chose

38:40

not to build this gigantic mammoth

38:42

of a business But

38:45

I think I won, you know, I mean like yeah,

38:47

I think I did the right thing there. I uh

38:50

The comparison thing I've it's something I

38:53

struggle I have struggled with and

38:55

I'm struggling now And I

38:57

probably always will you know every

38:59

every guru is gonna say stop comparing yourself

39:02

to to other people but it's it's just

39:04

human nature to see what other people are

39:06

doing within your circle and Somebody's

39:09

always gonna have bigger numbers. I have always

39:12

compared myself to my two podcast mates and

39:15

I've uh and mate and there's been

39:19

a Jealousy a healthy jealousy, but

39:21

I've always and then I'm like, you

39:23

know what I didn't want to

39:25

build a team. I didn't Want

39:28

to have four barns

39:30

full of our tools, right Like

39:34

I'm making it. I am doing what I

39:36

want to do and I've done it my

39:38

way. I've made some Decisions

39:41

that weren't the best But

39:44

I'm still doing what I want to do and

39:46

and and that helps me feel better like okay

39:49

I don't need to compare myself to

39:51

these other people and I've and

39:53

I just went through it again recently So

39:56

I thought I had You

39:58

know this this great idea, this

40:00

original idea of like, we're gonna buy a

40:03

house, we're gonna, it's gonna be a vacation

40:05

house, I'm gonna build every single piece of

40:07

furniture in there, nobody else is doing this,

40:09

this is my thing, I have something I

40:11

can identify with and it's gonna keep me

40:14

busy for the next few years. And

40:16

then another woodworking YouTuber comes along, buys a

40:18

house and says, we're gonna turn it into

40:20

a short term rental, I'm making all the

40:23

furniture in there. And I'm like, what? Are

40:25

you kidding me? That

40:28

was my idea. And then Kelly was just

40:31

like, a good idea is

40:33

a good idea. Who cares? There's

40:35

somebody else is doing that, you know? Yeah.

40:41

Yeah, it's interesting that the comparison thing is

40:43

natural for everybody in all sorts of ways

40:45

and no matter how much we try not

40:47

to do it or decide not to do

40:49

it, it's still gonna happen. But

40:51

I think what I was, what I

40:54

kinda came to the other day is that our

40:56

response to the comparison is what really is the

40:58

thing that we can mature, right? It's the thing

41:00

that we can control. So

41:04

our response to like your

41:06

house thing is, well, does that mean

41:08

I give up on the idea because somebody else

41:10

is already doing it or somebody might do it

41:12

better potentially or a bigger

41:14

house or whatever, you know? There's

41:16

some potential thing or

41:19

do I just see it through and know that

41:22

those two ideas started in the same place

41:24

but they're gonna diverge, they're gonna go to

41:26

different styles of furniture and different houses and

41:29

they may get overwhelmed and sell theirs and then you're the

41:31

one with the house. You know, those

41:33

two ideas can start in the same place and go

41:35

different ways. And like, and

41:38

I've actually been talking to, this

41:40

is not something I was planning on bringing up, but I've been talking to

41:42

a company

41:45

that makes kits more

41:47

recently about co-branding a kit. And

41:52

after watching that video, I'm like, maybe I don't even

41:54

wanna do that. Maybe I was just doing that because

41:56

it was a thing I probably thought I should do

41:58

or it seems like a logic. next step,

42:01

but it's not gonna diverge enough from

42:03

what Mark is doing to be unique

42:06

or to be valuable. You know what I mean? So

42:08

it's kinda, I

42:11

think those ideas need to go in other

42:13

directions, and if

42:15

we let the comparison

42:17

things stop us or

42:20

just break us, then those ideas

42:22

don't have the chance to be

42:25

seen through and get their own

42:27

path. And

42:29

I think for me, downsizing

42:33

the team, getting rid

42:35

of the size, I think,

42:38

I don't know where that's gonna take me, but

42:41

I know that it's already given me a lot of freedom to

42:44

become something in videos to become

42:46

like, to make projects

42:48

that I wouldn't have been able to justify

42:50

otherwise. So I don't really know where that's

42:52

gonna diverge to, but I know that it's

42:56

gonna take me a place that I couldn't have gone before. And

42:59

that's good. Everything is just, it's all, you

43:02

gotta remember, it's all one really long horse

43:04

race, and some people are leading

43:06

the pack now, and some people are on the back of the

43:09

pack, but that always changes.

43:11

It's always gonna change. Mm-hmm. Always

43:14

gonna change. I saw that in the toy business

43:16

where several of

43:18

my contemporaries became very

43:21

wealthy, and then they lost

43:23

an account or retail and

43:25

went and goes out of business, and then all of a sudden, their

43:27

business is cut in half, and then their staff has

43:30

to get cut in half, and then

43:32

all of a sudden it's back to them again, and they're starting a

43:34

company over. And it

43:36

happens. Everything changes. As long as, like

43:38

I said, as long as you have your health and

43:41

your bills are paid, you're rich. That's how I

43:43

changed my thinking in the last 20 years. As

43:46

long as your bills are paid and you're some

43:49

of the, my friend who's not,

43:51

he's not healthy at all. He's

43:53

seven, he didn't take care of himself, now he's

43:55

66 years old, and he's having some really bad

43:57

health complications. He's been in the hospital for two

43:59

weeks. We text every other day. I keep

44:01

checking on him. He's far away, so I can't visit

44:03

him and He

44:06

sent me a whole bunch of complicated problems He's

44:08

having and then I didn't know what to say

44:10

to it. I just wrote back I was like

44:12

well at least you're on the wrong side of

44:14

sorry. We sure on the right side of the

44:16

grass you're on the right Yeah, I said at

44:18

least you're on the right side of the grass

44:20

That's all I could say you know and he's also

44:23

he's very afraid of dying But he

44:25

didn't take care of himself didn't I take care of himself. No

44:27

smokes and You

44:31

know binged using drugs this and that the other

44:33

thing and now here is wishing he took better

44:35

care of himself at 66 years old I

44:40

Don't know why I went down that path, but in general

44:42

if you have your health, and you

44:44

pay your bills You're

44:46

winning Yeah,

44:49

I mean and I don't know that's

44:51

not something This

44:54

is gonna sound really pompous, I'm sorry

44:57

Winning is to me is not even the priority like

45:01

I don't even I Don't

45:05

even care about winning. I don't I don't

45:07

care about being the most popular having the

45:09

biggest numbers From a

45:11

comparison the way not the way I'm using winning is

45:13

kind of like sarcastic. It's like you should be the

45:15

you're still living And you're yeah, yeah, I know but

45:19

I think just in as far as like the

45:21

competition side of Of like

45:23

what we do and like you know the people that

45:25

you See at the store that you

45:27

know people you went to high school with like are you

45:30

comparing? Are you competing with them for

45:32

success and stuff like that? I? Think

45:36

for me. That's not really a It's

45:42

like that the competition is with myself I think

45:44

more than with other people so it's not a

45:46

matter of me keeping up with the Jones's and

45:48

feeling like well I should have what Mark has

45:50

because There's some

45:52

random reason that doesn't make any sense.

45:54

It's more like I

45:56

had a potential Where

45:59

I have potential on a daily

46:01

basis to be productive or to

46:03

reach this thing or to do

46:05

this many push-ups or to run

46:07

this far or whatever. And

46:09

if I don't make the correct

46:11

effort to reach that potential, then I

46:14

am not doing

46:17

enough. I am behind. I

46:19

am not caught up with what I could

46:21

be doing. And that's like totally the wrong way

46:23

to look at everything you do because

46:26

it makes everything you do be not enough.

46:30

And that's not good for any of us to feel that way.

46:34

And of course, I want to strive to do my best

46:36

in things, and I'm never going to get

46:38

all the stuff done that I want to get stuff done. You

46:40

know, I'm like, I'm never going to get where I want to

46:42

be all the time. But that is

46:45

not my value. That is not my contribution.

46:47

That's just me not hitting the benchmarks that

46:49

I set for myself, which may or may

46:51

not be realistic. The

46:54

contribution, the effect you have on people,

46:57

the effect you have on the world, what you can

46:59

offer to people, the value you give, that

47:02

is stuff that is not

47:05

about performance. You know,

47:07

it's not about numbers. It's not about bank

47:09

accounts. It's like, I

47:13

don't know. I just have to remind

47:15

myself on a daily basis that my

47:17

value is not in my productivity. My

47:21

worth has nothing to do with how good I am

47:23

at things. And I think it's the case for all

47:25

of us, but none of us get told that. I

47:28

don't think, you know? So

47:31

that if you're listening, this is me telling you

47:33

that. Your

47:36

worth has nothing to do with how good you are

47:38

at stuff. So

47:40

I got to that from watching a Colin

47:43

and Samir video. So thanks to the two of

47:45

them. For

47:48

taking my Thursday and putting it on its head

47:50

last week. Anyway,

47:55

that's about all I have to say about that

47:57

thing. thoughts

48:00

on the comparison stuff or something

48:02

else entirely from you guys? No,

48:05

like I said, I look at,

48:08

and I've learned, it's been a process to me. I've been

48:10

going through what you're going through since the early 90s

48:12

when I watched certain people become very wealthy. You

48:18

really just have to look at it and say to yourself, it's

48:21

either it's not my turn yet or maybe I don't want

48:23

that or you have to look at it and say, you

48:25

know, that's what something I aspire to. I'm so glad I

48:27

get to know this person up close and personal. I could

48:29

ask him advice and I could, it's

48:33

that kind of thing. That's kind of, I've learned to

48:35

take some time. That's a

48:38

good point. Yeah. But

48:40

to be jealous, you know, could eat you alive. You

48:42

just have to be happy with where you are. And,

48:45

you know, a friend of mine always says, you know,

48:48

you're right where you're supposed to be. You're

48:51

right where you're supposed to be right now. This

48:55

is exactly where you're supposed to be. Yep.

49:01

Take from that what you will. Well,

49:06

my recommendation is not going

49:08

to be that video, but you'd go watch it if you want

49:10

to. It's a really well done video. My

49:13

recommendation is I'm going to go ahead and do mine

49:15

and then I'm going to think of Patreon supporters and

49:17

then you all can do yours. But mine's connected kind

49:19

of. I ran across this

49:22

guy and I think I sent you guys

49:24

the video on Friday. His

49:28

channel is named Andrew. And

49:32

I'm actually going to make sure that that is the name. Yeah.

49:35

His name is Andrew. Andrew Paul is

49:37

his name and his video

49:40

just got served to

49:42

me. You know, it was just like on the

49:44

YouTube homepage. I don't know how I

49:46

got it or whatever. And I watched two

49:49

of them and they're super well

49:51

done. Super well done. The

49:53

first one I watched was called You

49:56

Already Have the Answer and

49:59

it has 8,000. The

50:01

second one was called Just Start and has 208,000 views. And

50:04

so he has a really wide range of

50:08

response to his videos, but they're

50:12

well written, they're cinematic, they're

50:15

well shot. It's just really

50:18

cool. And it's him being a creative

50:20

person, but basically talking about being a

50:22

creative person while creating a video,

50:24

you know? And so one

50:26

of them is, the start

50:28

before you know is really the one you should watch. Start

50:31

before you know how. It's all about like

50:34

just starting. We've talked about it a million times, just

50:36

like doing something even if you don't know where it's

50:38

going to end up going or you don't know how

50:41

it's going to turn out, you don't have to be

50:43

100% prepared and stuff. But

50:45

man, there's a freshness to a lot

50:47

of creators now. They're small

50:49

channels that are coming in and just making, you know,

50:52

they're talking about life and they're talking

50:54

about something they're doing or going through or whatever

50:56

and then they wrap it in this beautiful video

50:58

that's like they know

51:00

what they're doing. Like

51:04

I don't know what I'm doing. When I watch stuff like that, I'm

51:06

like, man, I wish I could make a video look like that, but

51:08

I can't or I haven't. Maybe

51:10

I can. Before you go in, I'm

51:12

going to let you finish, but before you go into

51:14

the Patreon thing, I want to add to

51:16

this if I could. Yeah, go for

51:19

it. So I have not

51:21

watched any of Andrew's videos yet, but

51:23

it looks like something that I would

51:25

totally enjoy and I'm going to dive

51:28

into it later this afternoon. To

51:32

add to this, to find, I think

51:35

to find more videos like this, I have

51:38

been, and we've talked about Jack's

51:41

channel Digital Spaghetti. He

51:43

interviews the most creative people ever.

51:46

Like the last few

51:49

of his interviews is with

51:51

these YouTube creators. I had

51:53

no idea who they were

51:55

and they just have such

51:57

amazing insight into. their

52:00

creations and the way they approach video

52:02

making is just so good and I

52:06

haven't watched Andrew's videos But it looks

52:08

like he would be somebody that Jack

52:10

would interview for his channel So I'm

52:13

going to add to your suggestion

52:15

suggestion And if you if

52:18

you like cinematography if you like the

52:20

way people approach your art digital spaghetti

52:22

is such an amazing channel Yeah,

52:25

it is really good. I've noticed that

52:27

too because I haven't watched him But I've seen his last

52:29

few videos come up and be like oh man I don't

52:31

know who that person is. I must be out of touch.

52:34

That was my yeah, yeah You

52:36

know and that is probably also true, but

52:39

they are lesser known creators. I guess so

52:41

that's cool All

52:44

right, Jimmy, what do you have let's go ahead and

52:46

get the all the recommendations done Dan

52:48

Cortez I'm gonna send you guys his Instagram Dan Cortez

52:50

I never met him personally, but we know a lot

52:52

of the same people in the neighborhood where I used

52:54

to live in the Lower East And

52:57

Dan started he was you know down and

53:00

out had a little rough rough beginning and

53:03

during the pandemic something sparked

53:05

him within him and he started making miniatures

53:07

of the neighborhood and now

53:10

he's he's growing he's a big artist he makes

53:12

miniatures of The

53:14

grit and grime of the Lower East Side

53:17

and Manhattan and he's he's

53:19

blowing up I keep reposting his stuff

53:21

because it's just such an inspirational story

53:23

where he somebody can make something basically

53:26

From nothing and you can see this

53:28

is not Dan Cortez from MTV. That's

53:30

not a very high. Yeah Yeah,

53:36

Dan Cortez he he's a miniature he does

53:38

miniatures, but all like in the graffiti Lower

53:40

East Side gritty, New York style And

53:43

he's a nice guy. We chatted a bit. We have a couple

53:45

friends in common and It's

53:48

amazing to watch what he's done, and he's doing

53:51

he sells these models little mailboxes covered with

53:53

graffiti and Dumpsters and storefronts

53:55

and they're all miniatures

53:57

really really really cool stuff Just

54:01

goes to show you, you can always, you

54:03

can always figure something out if you determine.

54:07

Stuff like that is really cool that somebody, you

54:10

know, they just find this little thing that's

54:12

interesting to them. They make small signs or

54:14

they make, you know, whatever. Like

54:17

the kid that shoots pictures

54:19

of cars, but they're miniature cars. They make them look

54:21

like full size. They find

54:23

some unique little thing

54:26

that is not a, it

54:28

doesn't seem like a marketable thing. It doesn't seem

54:31

like something that is like high appetite

54:33

for it. But they find

54:35

this little thing that's really interesting that they're good at

54:37

and then it just blows up. Like

54:39

people are so into some

54:42

unique little creation by somebody. I

54:44

think it's awesome. I think a lot of it too has to do

54:46

with the passion. Yeah. The

54:49

passion for that. That's like a big,

54:51

that's a big part. That's why he keeps getting clips on the

54:53

news, local news in New York City. And

54:56

it's, I think the people just impressed with his passion. Very

54:59

cool. All right. Well,

55:02

big thanks to our Patreon supporters. They make

55:04

it possible for us to have

55:07

these conversations and just like show

55:10

up every week with nothing to talk about and then

55:12

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55:15

all of them, especially the top supporters. Nick

55:18

Ryan, Corey Ward, Albers Woodworks, Works

55:20

by Solo, Chad from Main Crafting,

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55:25

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55:27

DIY, Jeff at the New Janky Workshop,

55:30

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55:32

Crabtree Creative. And also people

55:35

like Charles Lukey, who

55:37

is another one of our Patreon Patreon

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members. They all

55:42

get the after show. Those people

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that I listed just go like above and

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beyond and help us out even more. But

55:49

everybody over there gets the after show,

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separate podcast feed. And

55:54

we've talked about, last couple of weeks, About

55:56

like numbers going down. and we talked

55:59

about thumbnails. The last week,

56:01

one of the ways that we get

56:03

to continue doing what we do is

56:05

to not have to lean on the

56:08

hope of sponsorship and stuff like that.

56:10

Like. The petri on saying and this

56:12

is not scripted or anything. But.

56:14

Of the Patriots model of direct

56:17

support by people who like the

56:19

thing that you do. Is

56:21

hands down the best way to

56:23

keep that thing happened. So

56:26

big! Thank you to the people who actually make

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sure that it continues to exist. Support.

56:38

it like directly know by

56:40

them. Saying. That they

56:43

told you about the sponsor for co pay

56:45

them so fuckin it's a better way to

56:47

so I'm going on. there are other you

56:49

all of us we're pick on around here

56:51

which is awesome so thank you all for

56:53

that's the suit or of do as. But.

56:55

We each one of us has her own pitcher And to. That

56:58

is true. As if you're

57:00

a climber. Other stuff there say hi. And

57:04

you can eat. It's been four dollars and support

57:06

all the things. Month of August one for each

57:08

of us were always month. And.

57:11

Worthy of hundred the whole affair suggests you

57:13

have or physicists was getting one is if

57:15

those are the to access. My god it

57:18

wasn't just leave. Also Npr were like all

57:20

this is they are we should They would

57:22

tell us on the ice mass. Mike

57:25

again. But seriously the pitcher and thing

57:27

is is awesome for what whoever you

57:30

support, hoover's content. Weird

57:32

little picture miniature thing that you like. Whatever

57:34

they do, support him directly as he was

57:36

asked. You

57:38

can do that here if you want

57:40

to get a peek round, accomplice making

57:43

it and and ticket. Or.

57:45

Don't. Describe you can either or. Either

57:48

one, I went out for nine hundred dollars

57:50

my pick. Guy

57:52

region of this was going to be my original pack

57:54

and then they got sidetracked. What does your spaghetti sauce?

57:56

But I want to go back to my original text

57:58

just because I think it's a. Little relevant.

58:02

So I don't watch. Woodworking,

58:04

the heels I I because.

58:07

I. Got tired of comparing myself, the jealousy

58:09

seen on people being successful. Plus I

58:12

had just in. why I don't want

58:14

to be influence I watch. There's only

58:16

a couple of woodworking videos that I

58:18

will wash my podcast mates and maybe

58:20

one or two other people. but if

58:22

I go to my home page right

58:24

now. It won't

58:26

recommend woodworking in a be music

58:28

in the entertainment it'll be. Cinematic.

58:31

Stuff but. Youtube knows I don't

58:33

watch woodworking videos the doesn't suggest and to me.

58:36

Yesterday. I. Logged

58:38

into one of my other You Tube

58:40

accounts. And. J. Bates

58:42

pasta. And I was

58:44

like oh man oh yeah. I. Miss

58:47

that guy we used to do like a

58:49

little master my this. Is

58:51

a still go And yeah you'll don't know

58:53

we still a mastermind together. J. Bates and

58:55

I had a meet up together. We get

58:57

kicked out of a Dave and Busters one

59:00

time. Of when he

59:02

was living in Michigan. Stories I want to see

59:04

which he beats is up to. I miss that.

59:06

Do it and see. Just. Bought.

59:08

Property and it for this place is

59:11

gonna turn into a Big rats and

59:13

this is gonna be so cool The

59:15

Watts and so I texted i'm on

59:17

my case been a while just wanted

59:20

to say hello and congrats and then

59:22

we had an a nice little conversation

59:24

via text and like that it's do

59:26

and cool stuff and so my other

59:28

recommendation to stay beats. Yeah,

59:31

so what does he? Oh geez with all of us

59:33

for sure. So yeah, You. It's

59:35

interesting because there's a different kind of

59:38

jealousy and jealousy us around the indie?

59:40

maybe? Yes, Towards. J.

59:43

Didn't see have mark on this like

59:45

oh skyrocket thing over here and then

59:47

you have j go and i'm gonna

59:49

build. Property. For my family

59:51

to we're gonna live on it. and

59:53

unlike me and that sounds odd isn't it

59:55

amazing that sounds so guess there's a little

59:58

bit of like the fsf second But

1:00:01

you know good for him. Yeah,

1:00:03

it is it is super cool You

1:00:06

make sure I put him in the show

1:00:08

notes cool All right,

1:00:10

you guys got anything else? Again,

1:00:13

this is like a therapy episode

1:00:18

Yeah, it always is it always cool Thanks

1:00:22

for listening everybody. We appreciate you being here and

1:00:24

we'll catch you next time. Thank you I tell you about the expensive

1:00:27

thing that I'm gonna buy I'm

1:00:29

already jealous. Okay, I'll tell you in the episode