0:01

We had crazy weather last night. Did you

0:03

guys get hail? I saw some people talking

0:05

about getting hail in the Midwest. If

0:07

we did, I didn't see it. It was

0:10

just really like lots of lightning and

0:12

thunder. Well David,

0:14

Derek Bearey from Viscript

0:16

Garage posted that

0:19

Tennessee was expecting a hail storm and he was nervous

0:21

about his car collection. It was going to get beat

0:23

up because his cars are outside. And he says, well,

0:25

I'm bracing for the worst. But that was nine hours

0:27

ago. I just noticed that post this morning. So I

0:29

was wondering what actually did happen. So you must have

0:31

gotten an edge of it. Yeah,

0:33

it kind of went. It was weird. This

0:35

big swirl of storms that came through St.

0:38

Louis and then in Tennessee

0:40

and went around us. And we got some of it, but it

0:42

mostly like passed.

0:44

It was pretty wild. But

0:47

yesterday they sent all

0:49

the kids home from school an hour early. They

0:51

canceled all the sporting

0:53

and church events at night. And

0:57

then it was nothing for a long time. And then last

0:59

night while we were trying to go to sleep, it was

1:02

just like whipped into a frenzy.

1:04

It was crazy. But we're all good here. There's been

1:06

a lot of weather events. As you said that thunder

1:08

just, thunder is thundering

1:10

out right now. Yeah, we

1:12

didn't get any of that yesterday. Oh,

1:15

that's good. We were supposed to

1:17

have bad weather all week and we keep getting these

1:19

windows of sun, which is nice because I was able

1:21

to work on my stool

1:23

outside. Yeah,

1:25

it's this time of year. It's just at least here. I thunderstorms

1:28

all the time. They pop up and they

1:31

can be pretty bad. This is tornado season

1:33

for us. But

1:36

luckily we're good. What do you guys

1:38

been up to? What's going on? Well,

1:41

I told you guys I would do a PSA.

1:43

I'll do a quick PSA about take care of

1:45

your pets. Because yesterday we were going to start

1:47

the show. This is Thursday morning now. And

1:50

most people know we record Wednesday morning. But

1:52

I was preparing a coffee about 20 minutes before

1:55

we got started. We were set to start and

1:57

I was playing. And my cat came up

1:59

and I started petting. I really showed a big

2:01

hair ball like snuck in a fur. I have five

2:03

cats and I have the five cats, four

2:05

of them a long hair. So I'm constantly contending

2:07

with shaving tree bars

2:09

out of them and whatever they pick up out in

2:11

the yard. And so I went to snip this big

2:13

ball of fur out of a neck that was matted.

2:17

And I snipped and

2:19

snipped with a pair of scissors and I looked back and

2:21

I had snipped more than the

2:23

fur. And I started panicking because

2:25

she didn't seem to panic, but I panicked and

2:27

I put a nice big cut in her skin.

2:30

And that's what I texted you guys. I said, guys, I'm going to show you.

2:32

Well, I got to figure this out. And he said, well, let's just put it

2:34

off. Called the vet

2:36

and brought my cat

2:38

in and they shaped down properly so that

2:40

she's not matted. But they also gave

2:42

her about 20 stitches to the cut that I put in the

2:45

neck with a pair of scissors. So she

2:47

didn't seem to mind. Obviously it needed

2:49

attention, but there was no bleeding. It was just

2:51

the surface of the skin, but it definitely needed

2:53

to be stitched shut. So PSA,

2:55

don't go near your cats with scissors. I

2:58

won't do it anymore. I always thought I was good at it.

3:00

And I've talked a little bit about it on YouTube. I

3:03

mean, on Instagram, because a lot of people are curious about

3:05

my cats, but from now on, I'll just go

3:07

at it with the buzzer. But she's

3:09

okay. She's back now. And I

3:11

just let her outside for the first time. And

3:13

I spent a lot of money to get her fixed. And

3:15

so it's funny. It's like, I opened

3:17

the door to the kitchen like, good luck. Don't

3:20

make me waste my money. You better come back. Yeah.

3:23

Every time you let an outdoor cat out, you're

3:26

just like, this might be the last

3:28

time. Nice knowing you. Yeah.

3:31

So I spent 700, 800 dollars on

3:33

getting her fixed and cleaned up. She hadn't been to

3:36

the doctor in a while. So she needed everything. Vet,

3:39

raves, and oil chains. Oil chains

3:41

and routine maintenance. All the filters,

3:44

yeah. Last time she

3:46

was at the doctor was in the city. So it was a long

3:48

time ago. Anyway, everybody's back

3:50

on track. I'm

3:52

glad to hear that. Do you have a lot of foxes up there?

3:55

Yes, there's foxes and coyotes quite a bit.

3:57

You hear the coyotes all the time. them

4:00

on Instagram when you hear them hooting and hollering out in

4:02

the woods. But I see foxes

4:04

cross the street a lot. The foxes don't

4:06

necessarily bother me and they don't seem to

4:08

get in the coop. I did

4:10

have a coop massacre last March, a year

4:12

ago March, and I lost about

4:14

seven or eight birds in one night. But

4:17

I don't know to what. A lot of people

4:19

have different opinions about what. A

4:22

couple of the birds were only missing their heads and a

4:24

few guys were like, that's definitely a fisher cat, which I've

4:26

never ever heard hear or seen here.

4:29

And I love a couple of the other neighbors were like, definitely

4:31

a raccoon. I've never seen a raccoon on

4:33

my property. They were here, but I've never

4:35

seen one here. So I don't know

4:37

what did it. A couple of the

4:39

birds were left with just no heads, which

4:42

is kind of the Eastern head eater probably

4:44

is what I would say. That's yeah, the

4:46

Eastern, the Eastern, Northeastern head eater. But

4:49

there's no clues. Like you have no idea. I don't have a

4:51

camera set up in the coop. So I would I know. But

4:55

that was because I left the door open. We

4:59

have a lot of foxes here

5:02

in our neighborhood. And

5:04

then there's another coyotes in the area too that

5:06

come they have come into the neighborhood before. But

5:09

none of our animals are outside animals. Our

5:11

next door neighbor has this cat whose

5:13

name boat. I don't know. I don't

5:15

know why there's a cat named boat, but there's a cat named boat.

5:18

And it's an outdoor cat, but it's

5:20

like the neighborhood cat. It's their cat,

5:22

but it sleeps in other people's houses

5:24

and stuff. And like it's really wild.

5:27

But I keep expecting to find parts

5:29

of this cat all over the place

5:31

because he's constantly outside and there are

5:33

constantly larger, more aggressive

5:35

animals like coming

5:37

through all the streets and stuff. It

5:40

would drive me crazy to have like an outdoor

5:42

animal and just like yeah, like

5:44

you're saying, I hope I see you again. Yeah,

5:47

there are times where like a whole day, maybe

5:49

a day and a half will go by and

5:51

he's like, well, I guess we lost Rex. And

5:53

then all of a sudden he just like shows up at

5:55

a window while I'm watching TV and like, oh, hey, come on in.

5:58

Yeah, it's wild. Life

6:01

on the farm. So that was

6:03

my thing. So guys, thanks for pushing it

6:05

today. Besides

6:08

that, I've been making stuff. I've been making my

6:10

walnut stool. I was going to say leather stool.

6:12

But I made my walnut stool, which I'm really

6:14

happy with. You could tell when I'm happy, people

6:16

say, because you always post a lot about it.

6:20

And Bob, by the way, how did your

6:22

vote go? I'm sure nobody was overly concerned

6:24

whether they see it or not. Everyone wants to see

6:26

it. There was actually a lot of feedback on that.

6:29

Go ahead and finish what you're saying. I'll work on

6:31

that. Yeah, no, no. Because when you did

6:33

that, that's what I always do. I'm

6:35

always happy to show what I'm working

6:37

on. And we've talked about this in the past. So

6:39

I'll only get 10,000 views on Instagram, and you hope

6:41

to get 100,000 on YouTube or more.

6:46

So it's a small smattering of people. I'm not going

6:48

to not watch it because they've seen the net result.

6:52

So I ended up getting the stool

6:54

basically done. Today I'm going to give it a couple

6:56

of more coats of finish,

6:59

sanded in between some coats, and

7:01

then attach the seat to the legs. Came

7:03

out kind of chunky. It

7:05

looks a little overweight, but I kind of like it.

7:07

I thought I was going to take a lot more

7:09

weight off of it with the grinders and the sanders.

7:12

But I got to a point where it looks almost – it

7:17

looks like a – pretty historic,

7:19

but like kind of tribal. It has like a nice,

7:21

interesting – Primal? Primal, like –

7:24

Primal, that's the word I'm looking for. It has kind of

7:26

like a primal feel to it. I left it really thick

7:29

and chunky, and the top seat was really thick. And

7:31

I said on my Patreon, I was like, I'm

7:33

going to put a graphic in it. I have to

7:35

because it's a client piece. If

7:38

I don't succeed and I need to redo it, I

7:40

have – the seat's almost two inches,

7:42

two and a half inches thick. I can just

7:44

grind out the engraving and then

7:47

try again. The first one

7:49

was successful, so that worked out good. So

7:51

I got a chance to leave the seat nice and chunky. And

7:55

I'm happy with it. I put up a reel last

7:57

night just showing the final results. I'll put up a

7:59

reel eventually. like a quick process of how I got

8:01

there. But Sam Maloof's

8:03

style and somebody

8:05

asked me, did Sam Maloof make

8:07

a stool? I was like, no, I'm just inspired by him.

8:10

I'm not trying to copy or emulate anything he actually did.

8:12

I don't know if he did make a stool. I'm not

8:14

aware of it. So it's just

8:16

a nod

8:18

to the inspiration, really. I wanted a sculpted stool

8:21

and I'll talk

8:24

a little bit later about the process of getting

8:26

the framework

8:28

and digging into the material.

8:31

But yeah, I'm happy with that. And then I'm working on

8:33

a bar cart for Johnny

8:36

Walker. And this is

8:38

interesting. Every time I do a project for

8:40

the liquor companies, I always learn something new.

8:43

So this time there has to be two taps.

8:45

They're going to, it's for a golf outing and

8:47

there's two particular drinks that people like to drink.

8:49

And then it's going to be a little cooler

8:52

in it with some ice. And so I

8:54

have to, for the first time ever, make

8:57

a tap system with

8:59

a CO2 canister and two five gallon tanks

9:01

to hold liquor, pressurized

9:04

system with taps and all that. So

9:07

those guys sent me to a website

9:09

called Beverage Elements and I bought everything

9:12

I need on Beverage Elements. So

9:14

it's a learning process for me. It's going to be interesting

9:16

to figure out how to connect that. I never knew how

9:19

a tap system works that

9:22

you would see at a bar. But

9:24

this is going to be a stand alone system. No electric

9:26

involved. It's just a CO2 pressure tank. And

9:28

then you have the five gallon tank, which you'd put the

9:30

liquor or beer and whatever you put in it. And

9:33

the CO2 tank pressurizes that and

9:35

there's gauges and hoses and taps

9:38

and stuff. So I'm excited to figure

9:40

all that out. It's

9:43

all coming in the mail probably today. So

9:45

I have to install that into this card

9:47

I made and at the same time give it

9:49

a beautiful finish, which makes me nervous. Perfect

9:53

paint job. It involves the color yellow

9:55

so I have to color some of the elements

9:58

with proper paint and some of the elements. elements

10:00

with like a polyurethane or a

10:02

varnish. It's

10:04

a combination of white

10:07

oak and these yellow elements

10:09

which could either be metal or just really clean

10:11

painted MDF which is probably the direction I'm going

10:13

to go. So

10:16

I'm working on that. So everything's a new challenge. Nice.

10:20

David, what

10:22

are you even up to? So

10:24

no filming this week but I did start

10:26

my acoustic guitar build, something I've been wanting

10:28

to do for years. Oh that's really cool.

10:30

That's what I missed when I tuned in.

10:35

And I, it

10:38

always has just looked crazy

10:40

complicated and a year

10:42

or so ago I tried to take a, I tried

10:45

to get a one on one. There's

10:47

a school about 45

10:49

minutes away. They teach acoustic

10:51

guitar making but you're in a class and

10:54

you use all the

10:56

pre-made jigs and

10:58

I contacted the teacher

11:03

and said, hey can we do a one on one?

11:05

And he said yes and

11:08

then conversation just stopped.

11:11

So apparently he didn't want to do a one

11:13

on one. And so

11:15

I found a course online

11:17

by this guy named Eric

11:20

Shafer and

11:22

so now I just finished the

11:24

jig, the bending jig and

11:27

that's where I'm at. This one's not for

11:29

a video since I'm actually learning from an

11:31

online course and I

11:33

don't know, it's one of those, it's a build

11:35

that I've been kind of scared to do because

11:38

it just looks complicated. That's

11:41

cool. I'm sure it is complicated. I

11:45

thought of making an acoustic guitar to me is

11:47

like, that's just something I'm never

11:49

gonna do. Yeah, I

11:51

took some shortcuts to make it

11:54

a little bit easier. So Stu

11:56

Mack, I bought the plans for

11:58

it from there. Even

12:01

though I'm taking this course, the course

12:03

still recommends you get the plans, which

12:05

is actually a big sheet of paper

12:07

with a full-size actual guitar on there.

12:10

And then I bought wood kits.

12:12

So you buy a kit for the top

12:15

and the back. You buy a kit for

12:17

the sides. What type of wood is it?

12:20

What's that? What is the wood? The

12:22

top of it is spruce. And

12:25

then the sides and the back of mine

12:27

are walnut. Oh,

12:30

wow. Spruce is a common top

12:32

for acoustic guitars. Would

12:34

that be considered the soundboard? Yes.

12:37

Yeah. Yeah. So

12:40

I have no idea how long it's

12:42

going to take me because it's just for fun. So I'm

12:44

just going to take my time and try to do it

12:46

right the first time. Although I'm

12:48

going to keep my expectations low. When

12:51

you see guys make great guitars out of a cigar

12:53

box or a shovel, you know

12:55

you're going to get some results. Yeah.

12:58

I've got a book and I've

13:00

been wanting to do this

13:03

for a while. But I got a book. It's a... I

13:07

don't remember what it's called. Oh, Box

13:09

Makers Guitar. Here it is right here.

13:13

But it's like a book on how to

13:15

make a acoustic guitar. But like stupid simple.

13:17

So it's a box. So there's no bends.

13:19

And I thought I was going to do

13:22

this and try to make a video out

13:24

of that. But I'm going all in and

13:27

doing a regular, regular

13:29

acoustic guitar. That's

13:32

cool. Okay. I'm not trying to change

13:34

your mind. I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I'm

13:36

just bringing up a discussion point. Okay.

13:39

Be clear about that. So

13:41

you said you don't want to make a video

13:44

about this because you bought a course and So

13:47

I get that you don't want to reteach. But

13:50

that's kind of what we all do is we

13:53

learn parts of skills

13:55

from other people and we assemble. I mean, everybody

13:57

does this. You assemble. knowledge

14:00

from different places and

14:02

then you can

14:04

consolidate that down into a very

14:06

specific presentation that's about the

14:08

thing that you are making. Is

14:12

that your justification for doing it? Is

14:16

that it's someone else's like effort

14:18

in creating the course or is it

14:20

just not something you're interested in trying

14:22

to make a video about? So

14:28

I take in a lot of information

14:30

and skills from lots

14:32

of courses and books and

14:35

YouTubes but

14:38

usually when I make a video I'm

14:40

only pulling in little bits and pieces

14:42

or it's like common knowledge and

14:45

woodworking there's many ways to do a

14:47

particular thing and acoustic

14:50

guitar making there's probably many ways to

14:52

do this but I'm following somebody else's

14:54

step by step it's a long process

14:56

of like this is an

14:59

actual thing I'm learning from somebody else

15:01

and so it doesn't it wouldn't feel

15:03

fair to this person where

15:05

if somebody shows me how to cut

15:07

dovetails and I use dovetails in the

15:09

making of a dresser I'm

15:11

okay with you know with

15:14

showing that but this is somebody else's step

15:16

by step beginning to have. You're afraid it

15:18

feels a little like plagiarism a little bit?

15:20

Yeah yeah and so I

15:23

am filming little bits of it for Patreon

15:25

and I suppose in the back of

15:28

my head I'm gonna have all this footage and

15:31

I'm like I could do like a

15:34

classic dresser style and maybe just

15:37

do a compilation when I'm all done

15:41

or use the footage to tell

15:43

a story but not

15:45

actually teach how to make an acoustic guitar maybe

15:47

it'll inspire somebody to get over our head more

15:49

than. Yeah maybe that looks easier

15:52

than I thought maybe I'll take that course too

15:54

so we'll see. Yeah it's more like this I'm

15:56

thinking it's more like a vlog almost in a

15:58

way it's like I'm taking this course. from Joe

16:00

Smith and this is what I learned from Joe

16:02

Smith and Joe Smith doesn't have

16:04

a YouTube video, maybe he doesn't

16:06

have an audience like you and you could open

16:09

him up. Yeah, so we'll see. I'm going

16:11

to collect the footage and we'll see what happens.

16:15

It's funny you mentioned Vlog. That is

16:17

an interesting... Go ahead. It's

16:19

funny he mentioned, Jimmy mentioned Vlog

16:21

because I've been really toying with

16:23

the idea of doing

16:26

more, just kind

16:28

of like talking how I feel

16:30

about a certain thing, just

16:33

because I can't make

16:35

something new every single week or every

16:37

two weeks. It gets... It's

16:40

a lot of pressure and these

16:42

last two weeks I haven't filmed anything and

16:45

I'm just kind of enjoying the time off,

16:47

the time to fix things in the shop

16:49

and I'm like, how can I make

16:53

videos that somebody will still get value

16:55

out of without forcing myself to come

16:59

up with something new every single week and so I've

17:01

been toying with the idea of Vlogs

17:03

in my head but I don't know if I... The

17:06

trick is in our space, they don't work

17:08

very well. So what can I

17:10

do to make that work well? Yeah.

17:14

Yeah, that's a hard question because I thought about

17:16

that. I mean a lot of people have attempted

17:18

that in our space to add some like breathing

17:21

room into their schedules and into

17:23

just the creative process and stuff

17:26

and it is a hard thing especially

17:29

when you've created an audience expectation that this

17:31

is the thing I do. I

17:33

make these things or I run at this pace or

17:35

I whatever and then when you try

17:37

to deviate from that, there's either

17:41

it's a really long tough slog

17:43

or it's a hard break of

17:45

now I do these two things

17:47

instead of this one thing or

17:49

whatever and it's just

17:51

a hard transition. We've all tried stuff like that

17:53

before. But

17:56

I'm with you. Like the

17:58

weekly, biweekly... Coming up with

18:00

another idea, getting

18:03

the necessary knowledge you need and the stuff you

18:05

need to be able to do it and get

18:07

it done in time. And like it's tiring. And

18:13

it's not only tiring, I don't want to

18:15

reach that point of burnout. I don't like,

18:17

I love making stuff. It's

18:20

all I want to do all the time.

18:24

And I want to make sure that feeling doesn't go away. So

18:26

it's like, you know, if you

18:29

like Snickers bars, you don't eat a

18:31

Snickers bar every single day. Otherwise you wouldn't,

18:34

they would, it would lose its... I would. But

18:38

yeah, you know what I'm saying. Yeah.

18:42

Yep. So

18:46

jumping back real quick, we

18:48

skipped over this. Let's

18:51

see, project video from the course was a question.

18:53

Oh yeah. So Jimmy was asking earlier how my

18:56

Instagram poll went. So

18:59

a couple days ago, I was looking

19:03

at Instagram, going through the stories, and

19:06

I don't think she listens and she don't think she'll

19:08

care. So I'm going to just bring up my example.

19:10

I was watching April's stories, April Wolferson. She's

19:13

currently doing, she's

19:16

building like a loft inside her house

19:18

in her living room. It's this really

19:20

big project. And

19:23

she was, she had a bunch

19:25

of stories within like a two day period of

19:29

a lot of what they were doing, how

19:31

they were building this like temporary scaffolding to

19:33

put up a loft floor and then, you

19:35

know, creating LBLs to like, just this whole

19:37

thing. And they're showing it all in

19:39

stories. And then I was

19:41

watching that and I was interested in it. But

19:45

then I switched gears

19:47

and was doing something else. And I went back

19:49

to thinking about if I

19:52

see enough of what she's doing, I wonder

19:54

if I will be motivated or what

19:56

she's planning on leaving out to make

19:58

me motivated to watch. the full YouTube

20:00

video. And

20:02

not everybody has the same endpoint, right? So I

20:05

know that some people Instagram is like that's the

20:07

endpoint for us. And I think for her,

20:09

maybe not can't speak for her. YouTube

20:12

is one of a bigger endpoint than

20:14

Instagram. In my

20:16

mind, it is. And so I

20:18

was just I put up a little

20:20

poll, little, I was asking people what they

20:22

thought if you see a whole bunch of detail

20:24

about a project on Instagram, or

20:26

somewhere else, then are you

20:28

still motivated to watch a full video

20:30

if you've basically seen we've gotten all

20:32

the meat that you need to get

20:35

from that project idea, or if you've

20:37

already seen the reveal, or if you've

20:39

already whatever. And so I put

20:41

up a poll thinking, choose

20:43

one of these two options, and that'll be my

20:45

result. And I can't find that because Instagram, I

20:48

don't know where to find those results anymore,

20:50

they keep changing stuff. But I

20:52

got a whole bunch of messages, in addition

20:55

to people pushing one of the two buttons. So

20:57

most of the messages were most

21:01

of them were I'm more interested in the

21:03

process than the final result. And

21:05

so I will watch both videos because I care

21:08

about the details that you're talking about in the

21:10

two different scenarios. Because you know, you talk in

21:12

like a story, you talk about it in a

21:14

different way at a different depth than you would

21:16

in an edited, prepared

21:18

video. And so the

21:20

majority of the response was, I care

21:23

more about the process than the beauty shots. And

21:25

so I want to see as much as possible

21:27

about the idea. The second most, you

21:31

know, common response was,

21:33

you know,

21:36

and they mentioned you guys a lot,

21:38

I like you guys, I like

21:41

what you do, I don't care if I've seen the

21:43

project, I don't care if the project is something that

21:45

I'm actually going to do, or I'm not interested, I

21:47

want to see you all do a thing. So I'm

21:49

going to watch as much of it as I can

21:51

in both places. That was really nice.

21:55

There were definitely some that said I would like

21:57

I like to see behind the scenes stuff, but

21:59

maybe don't show the end result

22:01

on Instagram so that I'm still motivated to go

22:03

see how it turned out. And

22:07

then there were really just a couple, like one or

22:09

two people that said, if I see

22:12

enough of it, then I'm not gonna go watch the video.

22:15

So it was, I was expecting more of that. I

22:17

was expecting more of if I see enough,

22:19

then I, that I'm good, you know,

22:21

I don't need to go watch a full video and that was not

22:24

the response. A

22:27

lot of people mentioned how, uh, Jimmy,

22:30

how you show a lot of progress,

22:32

you know, with like your leather projects and

22:35

even with the stool, somebody mentioned the stool

22:37

and they were like, I'm still gonna go watch it because I love

22:39

Jimmy and I want to go see what he does. So,

22:42

you know, so it's kind of interesting

22:44

to get that feedback from people because I'm, I'm

22:46

not, I like to hide things

22:48

that, so people don't typically even know what I'm doing. And

22:50

then all of a sudden it's like, poof,

22:53

look what I made here. Are

22:55

you curious how this got made? Then you can watch the

22:57

video. But I realized that

22:59

that's my, that's my, uh,

23:03

I don't know how to say it. Like

23:06

love languages, like, like you, you,

23:08

you feel loved by

23:10

being loved a certain way, but that's not necessarily

23:12

the way that you love other people. I like

23:15

to take content in that way to be surprised.

23:17

Like, whoa, where did that thing come from? How

23:19

did that happen? I want to know more

23:23

than like somebody here's, here's

23:25

what I'm doing. Here's, here's the little bit of this

23:27

might be a stretch, but realize that I'm not, I'm

23:29

not everybody else. This might be a little bit of

23:31

a stretch, but you, you're

23:35

very interested stories for like the sci-fi

23:37

stories, for example, you know, you talk

23:39

about party of

23:41

world as the sci-fi story and the excitement of getting

23:43

to the end of the story. And so that could

23:45

be a little bit of a translated thing where you

23:49

want to show the story. You just wrote, you

23:52

don't want to be giving up the story as you're working

23:54

on it. So it's more,

23:56

it's more of like a, like an illustrated

23:58

novel, so to speak. If you're

24:00

writing an illustrative novel, you wouldn't necessarily want

24:02

to keep talking about all the elements of

24:04

it while you're working on it until

24:07

it's done. Here's I'm finished,

24:09

my edit, my story, all my

24:12

stuff is written and composed. Here it is.

24:15

Take a look. With me, I get very

24:17

excited. If you see me posting a lot, it's because

24:19

I'm excited about the process, because I'm having all this

24:21

little mental discoveries as I work on them.

24:23

Because I'm like, oh wow, that worked. And then I grab my

24:26

phone, I'm like, look what I just did, and it worked. If

24:29

I did this, this happens. And then I

24:31

go, if you do this, this happens. But what really happened behind

24:34

the scenes was like, oh wow, I did that, and that happened?

24:36

And then I go, well, if you do this, this will happen.

24:38

So I sound like I'm really smart. That's

24:40

why I'm always posting a lot of stories. Well,

24:43

I think there's a couple things about me when you bring up

24:45

the story thing. One, I realized

24:47

a long time ago that I love a

24:50

good before and after. I love a good,

24:52

this is how you started,

24:54

and this is where it got to. Just

24:56

a really binary, right next to each other.

24:59

Start, finish thing. And the stuff in between,

25:01

it doesn't show the full story. It

25:03

doesn't show the full transformation. It doesn't show the

25:05

original thing you're starting from either. So I really

25:07

like that. Like

25:10

I noticed when I was a kid, I mean,

25:13

as an adult, I thought back when I was a kid, I

25:16

would take pictures of my room. I used to rearrange my

25:18

room all the time. And I'd change all the furniture, and

25:21

I'd like put a desk on top

25:23

of two other desks, so I'd have a high desk,

25:25

so I could, I don't know, adults were in stuff.

25:28

But I would take pictures

25:30

of the room before I changed anything. I

25:34

don't know why, but I would take a picture of it, and

25:36

then I would get that developed, and then later on, I would

25:38

be able to like hold it up next to the actual room,

25:40

be like, look how different this is. What do you mean by

25:42

that? Get it developed, yeah. So

25:46

there's that, and then I

25:48

had another thought. Man, I don't remember what it was. But,

25:51

so I think it's a big thing for me, and there's no right or

25:53

wrong way to do this. I thought it was just an interesting comparison

25:56

between how people use, you

25:59

know, social media stuff. Oh,

26:01

the other thing that I remembered, we've talked about

26:03

this before. In fact, this was

26:05

gonna be a whole topic, but one of the

26:08

reasons I don't really like to show something mid-project

26:12

in progress is because

26:15

I kinda don't want people's input till it's

26:17

finished. You know what I mean? You

26:21

get something halfway done, they're like, oh, that's gonna

26:23

look great if you paint it red. I'm

26:25

like, I'm not gonna paint it red. Why in the world

26:27

would I paint it red? I don't want that kind of

26:30

insertion into the

26:33

plan that I have usually from

26:35

the general public. So

26:43

I have been working on the

26:46

clean room, whatever

26:48

you wanna call it, the room that I built in the shop. You

26:50

know what I wanna do? Yeah.

26:56

And I got the printers all moved in yesterday, and

26:58

I got that giant printer put together. Yeah.

27:01

Oh yeah, yeah. It's so big. I see you're printing

27:03

a little boat. Yeah,

27:05

the boat is this big. It

27:09

was like the test print that was already loaded onto

27:11

the USB. Sure, I mean, I was just like, hit

27:13

the button. Just to make sure it worked. And

27:17

it is, the printer is so big that I

27:19

got it together and got it pushed in the

27:21

room, in the corner and everything, and kinda stood

27:23

back from it, and I was just like, I

27:25

don't know if this is gonna stay here. I

27:29

don't know why I have this. I'm not really

27:31

sure what I was thinking. It takes up a

27:33

lot of room. It's like a tent. It's

27:36

like a two-person tent. That's

27:38

how big it is. Man. Rope

27:40

it up, rope it to the ceiling, put it on the rope

27:42

and pull it out of the way. I'm gonna say doghouse, but

27:44

it sounds way bigger than a doghouse. It is

27:47

bigger than a doghouse. What is the X-YZ? It

27:50

is, well, it's a meter cubed.

27:52

Oh, okay. That's a lot. Yeah,

27:55

the build volume is not that big, but yeah.

28:00

Anyway, it's wild. I

28:03

do have some plans for it. I

28:05

thought of some good ideas that I

28:07

think will make...that'll take advantage of the size. Not

28:09

necessarily you couldn't do it another way, but it'll just

28:11

make it simpler to have something that big. So, we'll

28:13

see. But I've been...you know, I've got

28:16

all the printers in there now. Today

28:18

I'm moving in my electronics desk and gonna try

28:20

to get that set up. And

28:22

then it's immediately

28:25

moving on to, like, making it look

28:27

like I want it to look. So,

28:29

a lot of...I've got an interesting

28:31

idea that I hope works for

28:34

adding lighting to it in

28:37

a way that's kind of dynamic and sci-fi

28:41

looking. So, we'll see. But

28:45

next week is gonna be a lot of soldering

28:48

and a lot of programming

28:50

and a lot of...let's hope this

28:52

works. Let's

28:54

do a livestream of the programming. Oh,

28:57

yeah. That would be...that would

28:59

be cool. But

29:04

the room itself is interesting. And

29:06

the change that...that side, you

29:08

know, like, I redid the wood shop. I compressed it

29:10

down and got it smaller. And now it's a complete

29:12

mess because I built the room next to it. It's

29:15

really clean and organized and minimal right now.

29:17

So, we have these two spaces that are

29:20

becoming more of what I want them to

29:22

be. And then you have, like, if

29:24

you're standing there looking at those two spaces. Behind

29:26

you is everything else. And

29:29

it's just all the stuff I pulled out of there

29:31

that I had to move out of the way. Stuff that's

29:34

gonna be donated or thrown away or gone through

29:36

or whatever. It's just this mass of...work. It's

29:46

not even interesting. It's just a

29:48

lot to do. It's a lot to go through. And

29:50

so it's kind of a weird spot to be where

29:52

I, you know, turn one direction.

29:55

I'm like, oh, man, this looks really cool. Then

29:57

I turn around, literally standing from the same spot.

29:59

I'm like, ugh. There's so much

30:01

to do and so hard to

30:03

find anything. It's so hard to You

30:06

know to kind of picture how it's gonna

30:08

get cold and

30:10

organized and stuff. Yeah weird

30:12

spot to be in but it's

30:15

just gonna be a lot of You know

30:17

digging in I think what I'm gonna have to do is And

30:20

this kind of goes back to what you're saying David about like the Coming

30:23

up with ideas. I think I'm going to have

30:25

to Finish

30:28

up the room and finish up the

30:31

next project or maybe even two and

30:33

then just kind of turn to face

30:35

that mess and say we're

30:37

gonna work on this until it's out of the

30:39

way because There comes a

30:41

point in my office is like this right now too,

30:43

but there comes a point where things

30:46

get so Overrun and so disorganized that they

30:48

actually make it harder to be creative and

30:50

my office is absolutely like that and the

30:53

shop is beginning to be like that too,

30:55

so It's gonna you know It

30:58

would be worth the effort. I think to really

31:01

dig in and clean it out. So In

31:04

my so Bob when we came to your

31:06

shop a few years ago when you walk

31:09

in from the driveway you

31:11

walk past your office which would be on

31:13

the left and places the family room first

31:15

then your office on the Left and

31:17

then it opens up into the shop now. Could you describe what

31:20

that space looks like now? So

31:22

if you if you're standing in that doorway you

31:24

walk right in to your left Immediate

31:27

left is the wood shop like the table saw is

31:29

still in the same place where it was So the

31:31

wood shop is right there. I think the back corner

31:34

to your Left in

31:37

front of you is now a room and Then

31:40

everything here. Yeah. Yeah,

31:43

and then everything to your right is

31:45

a giant mess So The

31:50

room you made like takes up a corner of the

31:52

overall space I thought it would be split completely in

31:54

half No, it's

31:56

about a quarter. Okay. Yeah, that's

31:59

why I wanted did a describing as I'm picturing the

32:02

right half. That's kind of, isn't there where the

32:04

bridge port is and stuff along that one? Yeah,

32:06

I figured that whole wall was just inside that room.

32:09

No, no, it's the opposite, opposite end of the shop.

32:13

It's cool, like I'm really happy, I think it

32:15

was the right choice, and I'm really happy with

32:18

how the stuff is moving forward, but it

32:21

is one of those things where, you know,

32:23

to, like

32:25

you have to break a lot of eggs to

32:27

make the thing that you wanna make. So there's

32:30

just gonna be a digging out period, I think. So

32:32

it keeps me from doing a lot of things. Is

32:35

that uncomfortable moment? It

32:38

really, I mean, we'll talk a little bit about it in

32:40

the concept of the conversation, but that

32:43

idea of like knowing it needs attention, and

32:46

then I just ignore it and it gets worse, and I ignore it

32:48

and then it gets even more worse. Because

32:50

the idea of breaking those eggs and just

32:52

dealing with that, I have

32:54

a lot of those. You know, we've talked about this a

32:56

lot of times, it's one of those

32:59

things where, and

33:01

maybe this can lead into our topic, it's one

33:03

of those things where you have this task,

33:07

I do this all the time, you have this task

33:09

that you think I have to do this before, x,

33:11

x, x, x, whatever, before all these things can happen.

33:13

I have this task, but I

33:15

can't do it right now. Because I don't quite

33:17

have the time or I'm missing that one thing,

33:19

or I, you know, if I start there, I'm

33:21

not gonna be able to finish today, or so

33:23

you have this thing, and then, like I always

33:25

picture it as I take that thing and I

33:27

set it on my shoulder and it's here, and

33:29

it's like in my way and annoying and heavy.

33:32

It's so I don't forget it, it's right there, and

33:35

then I don't do anything about it. And

33:37

the longer it sits there, the bigger it gets

33:39

and the more I think, man, that's gonna take

33:41

so much time, it's gonna be so hard and

33:43

I don't have all the things. And then eventually,

33:46

when you finally pull that thing off your shoulder

33:48

and you go to do it, it takes five

33:50

minutes and it was easy and it's over with.

33:52

But you've carried around

33:54

this extra mental weight about

33:57

this undone, hard thing.

34:00

and it's made everything

34:02

else hard in the meantime. I do that all

34:04

the time. And you would think you would learn

34:06

a lesson and it

34:08

would apply that to the next thing, but it doesn't

34:10

happen that way. Yeah. So

34:14

there's gotta be some sort of a trigger where

34:17

you can give yourself to be like, nope, I'm gonna do it

34:19

right now. I'm just gonna get it

34:22

over with, I'm gonna do it, jump through it. The

34:24

trick for me is it just needs

34:26

to go on today's to-do list or the

34:28

calendar. If it's written

34:31

somewhere, somehow it makes it

34:33

real. Yeah,

34:36

I could see that. I

34:38

have a couple of to-do lists. I have like,

34:41

oh, today I gotta go pick

34:43

up some stuff and oh, we're

34:45

gonna shoot this. And then I

34:47

have another to-do list that I

34:49

just call looming. Things that are

34:52

just on my shoulders. Loom, loom.

34:54

Yeah, and that just need to

34:56

get done. I have

34:58

a roll of film that I need to develop

35:01

that my mom found. That's on

35:03

my list of looming things. And

35:05

then I gotta change the planar

35:07

blades. I've known for

35:09

weeks that I've had to do these things.

35:13

Now they're on a list and I can see that

35:16

reminder list every day. So

35:19

I built myself a

35:21

to-do list recently in Notion.

35:24

I don't know if we've talked about this or not, but in

35:27

trying to handle this type of stuff

35:29

and prioritize the tasks

35:32

that are immediate, some

35:34

are long-term. I built this list and

35:36

I think it's still gonna continue to

35:38

change, but I

35:41

gave everything a priority. And

35:43

then I can look

35:45

at it in stacks of priority, which is

35:48

really handy. So I have an urgent one,

35:50

which means it's the thing that I should be doing right now.

35:53

There should never be anything on that list for more than

35:55

a day. And then I have

35:57

things that don't have a priority that just end up.

36:00

up like I don't want to forget about them but they're not,

36:02

you know, have to measure some doorway or something. But

36:05

then I've got ongoing things a

36:07

week, a month, and a year and actually have

36:09

a life a hidden lifetime list that I hide

36:12

it from myself on purpose. But

36:15

it's a list of things that I want to do before I

36:17

die. And it's, you

36:19

know, they think they're things I may not do

36:21

and it's not like go to Rome, stuff like

36:23

that. It's like I want to create

36:25

this thing. I want to learn this thing. I want

36:27

to be proficient here. So I've

36:29

got those but then I've got things that need to

36:31

be accomplished in those other categories

36:33

before the year is over, before the month

36:36

is over, before the week is over. And

36:39

those things can slide up

36:42

as, you know, when I get to December,

36:44

everything that's in that year is going to end up in the

36:46

month. And the last week of December, everything that's in the month

36:48

is going to end up in the year. And

36:50

I pull those things over to move them up in priority. It's

36:55

just the same as having it on paper.

36:57

It's just the same as putting things in

37:00

order. But having these like kind of buckets

37:02

of priority that helps me, especially

37:06

the urgent one, it helps me look at that first

37:08

thing every morning and be like, oh, yes, I have

37:10

to send that thing to that guy. You know, so

37:13

I think there's a lot of ways people

37:15

can do stuff like that to kind of take

37:18

those weights off your shoulder, put them somewhere else in

37:20

a way that you can go back and attack them

37:22

in a timely manner. Jimmy,

37:25

you had an idea for the topic, which is

37:28

kind of related to all this. You want

37:31

to take that? Yeah, I was

37:34

my experience this week with

37:36

making that sculpted stool. I

37:39

asked you guys how much thinking versus

37:42

how much doing. And

37:44

the stool I had the project approved

37:46

and I was

37:48

going to make it for the last month. Then

37:51

the people over at Double H asked me to

37:53

push it up a month because they had another

37:55

person making something and they didn't want them to

37:57

compete with each other as far as social media

37:59

goes. And I said, no problem,

38:01

it'll give me more time to think and avoid, which

38:04

is what I used that time for. Avoid.

38:06

Think and avoid. You know, I remember once

38:08

when I first got to the School of

38:11

Visual Arts, I went in the lecture, Richard

38:14

Wilde was the chairperson and he spoke to all of

38:16

us freshmen and he said, he says, as

38:18

artists, one thing we always do is

38:20

we try to avoid the task at hand for

38:22

as long as possible because we

38:24

will dilly-dally around and avoid everything until

38:26

the very last moment until all

38:29

the inspiration and all the worry

38:31

and fear has all boiled over and you got no

38:33

more time to avoid it. I

38:35

think of that all the time because he was so

38:37

right on the money and obviously I grew into that.

38:39

I didn't know that at the time. But

38:43

how much thinking versus doing it? And

38:45

I say this all the time, there's always

38:47

one thing that could keep you from starting

38:49

a project, that fear of getting started. There's

38:51

always one thing and it's maybe you're not

38:53

great at making a

38:55

CNC path or you're not good at it. For

38:58

me, it's always the fourth axis. You don't work with the

39:00

rotational part. That always keeps me from doing that because I

39:02

always think of like, oh, I want to make a gun

39:04

stock or I want to make a totem pole. And then

39:06

I like, oh, but then I got to deal with the

39:08

fourth axis. Let me just do something else. And

39:11

then I still think about it and I still think about it. And

39:13

when it came to making this stool, the

39:15

reason I wasn't starting and the reason I just kept

39:17

thinking and thinking and thinking and trying to re-engineer it,

39:20

the best way to do it would be to use this

39:23

giant chunk of walnut that I had that was five inches

39:25

thick by 15 inches by eight feet. And

39:28

I couldn't possibly waste that beautiful piece of wood

39:30

for this project because this project isn't as important

39:32

as I think it is to start. I got

39:35

to wait for like, to make a pair of

39:37

wooden shoes for a king. That's what I need

39:39

to hold back. Every

39:42

project that you get is not

39:44

important enough to dig into that material.

39:47

I mean, Derek had this conversation recently, like

39:49

we saved these things for this particular project.

39:53

And then you get a great project and you look at

39:55

it and you go, this isn't the important project. This

39:58

isn't important enough to dig into this piece of material. So

40:01

I'm gonna scrap together 400 other

40:03

pieces of scrap and

40:06

make it more difficult for me and add an extra

40:08

seven days worth of work and glue drying time. It

40:11

got down to the point where I was thinking okay if

40:13

I don't use this giant profile of walnut that I have

40:16

what can I use and then I can go to the store I can

40:18

buy a quarter rough

40:21

cut walnut from the saw mill then I

40:23

have to surface it and then glue seven

40:25

pieces together and then let that drying time

40:27

and get glue on everything. I

40:29

honestly think about whenever I got to glue something up I

40:31

think about okay it's gonna get on my

40:33

hands it'll get in my eyebrows for sure it's gonna

40:35

get on the table for sure it's gonna be on

40:37

my eyebrows. I literally stop

40:42

myself from gluing things sometimes because it's gonna be on

40:44

my fingertips it's gonna be here like you know I

40:46

like to just use my hands I don't like use

40:49

a paintbrush I don't want to waste the paintbrush all

40:51

these little things go into gluing something together so I

40:53

was like I could use that piece of wood

40:55

or I can glue up and I hate gluing up but I could

40:57

use a piece of wood but this project isn't important enough this

41:00

is what's been going on in my head and

41:02

then I said blanket

41:04

and I went to the shop blank

41:06

is in bleep I went to the

41:08

shop and I pulled out this piece of

41:10

wood which is also buried so that was another part of it it

41:13

was like I had to move some things to get it out it

41:15

was buried behind a bunch of storage I

41:18

pulled this piece out and I looked at it and I was like okay

41:21

first step I and

41:23

I basically pulled the mummy out of the tomb and now

41:25

the mummy is like in the back of my truck I'm

41:27

like okay now I have

41:29

to bring it to my shop and

41:31

I just stared at it for two days it was like the monolith

41:34

from 2000 Space Odyssey

41:36

and that's in my shop and I'm looking at him like

41:38

I have to actually cut this to get into this the

41:40

legs that I want to make are in there somewhere so

41:42

I vaguely drew them on there this will all be in

41:44

the video and then I'm like alright

41:47

now I have to change all this piece of wood

41:49

I need to cut off 30 inches of this this

41:51

is like sacrilegious like the woods gonna cry when I

41:53

cut it because it's like thought it was gonna be

41:55

a pair of shoes for King it's just gonna be

41:57

a stool for a showroom in Texas I'm sorry So

42:03

I finally dug into it. And then, so then I had

42:05

the stool legs. I

42:09

got what I needed out of it. And then I'm like,

42:11

oh, I got to cut another 15 inches off it to

42:13

make the stretchers, which is the horizontal parts of the stool.

42:15

I'm like, I'm sorry.

42:17

I looked at this piece where I was like, I'm sorry, I got

42:19

to take another piece of you. And I cut that off and made

42:22

that. And then I'm like, I could definitely use

42:24

something else for the seed. I don't need to

42:26

cut into this giant chunk of wood again. Still

42:28

had about half of it left. And

42:31

I was looking at everyone like, I'm sorry,

42:33

I have to take another 15 inches off of

42:35

you. And I went at it with the chainsaw

42:37

and I cut another 15 inches off. But the

42:39

whole time I'm feeling guilty about digging into this

42:41

piece of wood because in my mind, I'm like,

42:43

this project isn't important enough for this piece of

42:45

wood. I'm not gonna honor the

42:48

life of this tree with this project, but in

42:50

actuality, it really is. I'm really, I learned so

42:52

much. I'm really proud of the piece that I

42:54

made. So getting over that

42:56

fear, how much thinking is

42:58

really thinking, how much thinking is really fear. You

43:03

know, Dave, you're nodding, you had a lot of time I

43:05

talk about cutting into this piece of wood and hearing it

43:07

cry. I got so many examples of that. Don't

43:10

waste my life on something useless. I

43:14

don't know, I'll let you guys talk. It's

43:16

the wide boards. Like I have a piece

43:18

of walnut that's like 13 inches wide. And

43:22

they call those, by the way, I've been

43:24

told this because my house has wide plank

43:26

floors. There are certain parts

43:28

of my upstairs flooring that are 24 inches wide. And

43:31

the guy I bought the house from, he was a

43:33

little bit of a historian. He said, those are called

43:35

the King's planks because the widest planks from like the

43:38

sawmills were always saved for like King's projects.

43:40

That makes sense. I don't know how true that is,

43:42

but that's what somebody told me. Maybe the

43:44

audience can look that up again. Yeah,

43:46

and it's just like, oh, like

43:48

it would be so easy for me to use

43:51

this wide board for this project, but

43:53

I only need four inch wide boards. So

43:55

I'm gonna save it. And then it's gonna get

43:57

buried in the pile of wood. And I'm gonna

43:59

go. get more wood and then when

44:01

I finish that project because I got more wood

44:04

I now have more scraps and it's just piling

44:06

on top and I have it

44:09

drives me nuts and every once in a

44:11

while I'll just be like you know what

44:13

we're just gonna use this I'll find another

44:15

wide board sometime and then you might

44:17

never though you just might never you just might never and

44:19

that's that's the

44:21

risk trees are done man

44:23

like no work

44:26

yeah so I might say Rob Rob the

44:28

Rob Rojas who works with me he he's

44:30

like you're not gonna cut that board up

44:32

for this are you he even said it

44:34

to me I'm going through it in turn

44:36

that's that's that's like meant to be a

44:38

whatever so

44:40

I forget type of workbench like a fancy work bench

44:43

and I'm like I don't care about that I'm not

44:45

gonna make a fancy work I'm no

44:47

wood whisperer hey make everything I don't make just

44:49

wood stuff I'm not gonna make a fancy workbench

44:51

with a screw on the end I

44:54

don't care about that anyway that's why that

44:57

I mean both of those examples are you know

44:59

like a an unusual

45:01

piece of wood I mean it's an outlier to

45:03

have a whatever 20 I

45:05

don't know how glad you said that was 15 by

45:07

5 or something like that like that's it that's

45:10

that's an outlier you don't get that very often

45:12

yeah so are both of

45:14

those examples just material

45:16

scarcity is that the thing that actually stops you

45:18

because you know that you're not gonna run into

45:21

another one of those I don't think it's that

45:23

as much as you want to honor this piece

45:25

of material you

45:27

know you know you can always get it right I know I can always

45:29

go to a sawmill or just go online and

45:32

ask for somebody who has a sawmill to get me

45:34

that piece certainly easy enough to replace that but

45:36

I think it's you want to make sure that you're

45:38

making the right choice you want to make sure that

45:40

you're honoring this piece of material that

45:43

you're gonna give it a new life that's gonna

45:45

be worth the time and effort and the sacrifice

45:47

you're making by it was

45:49

anthropomorphizing this piece of wood as if

45:51

it's like a soul or if it's

45:53

a person and I'm

45:55

taking this piece of wood and I'm making sure that it's

45:57

donating its life for a good cause and then I'm gonna

46:00

make it proud. I think that's part of

46:02

it. It's both for me.

46:04

So it's like my grandfather's

46:08

friend who had a

46:10

huge woods and him and his

46:13

son-in-law would cut down these these trees and

46:15

then mill them up and then sell it

46:17

to friends and family. And

46:19

I got a bunch of like really

46:21

cheap absolutely beautiful air dried wood and

46:24

then this guy passed away a couple of years ago. So

46:27

those pieces of wood they

46:29

have there it's a

46:32

little extra special because air dried walnut looks

46:34

a little bit different than kiln dried walnut

46:36

because a lot of the kiln dried is

46:38

steamed so you get more yield. The

46:41

steaming process takes the dark areas of

46:43

the walnut and moves it over

46:45

into the sapwood. And there's

46:47

like there's a slight difference in look. And

46:50

so this air dried stuff it's a

46:52

little bit more more special for

46:54

me because it came from this

46:57

person that there's no

46:59

I'm not gonna get any more wood from this person

47:01

because he passed away. And

47:05

there's a scarcity of that because I'm not gonna

47:08

get any more. I like I'll check Craigslist all

47:10

the time for you know somebody.

47:12

Yeah pieces and

47:14

and then there

47:17

is this this person when

47:20

he was alive I was buying some wood from him and

47:23

he's like oh you're

47:26

gonna love this. I have this piece of some

47:29

sort of pine but there was when this tree

47:31

was growing it had a chain wrapped around it.

47:33

So there's this weird growth in the middle of

47:35

the tree where it was destroyed.

47:41

Hourglass. Yeah and

47:43

he's like you should he

47:45

gave it to me this bit so it's

47:47

like a eight foot long slab with this

47:49

weird shape in the middle and you

47:52

could tell it was this there was a chain around

47:54

this tree and he's like I'm just gonna give you

47:56

this make something cool with it and show

47:58

me. And I was like Okay,

48:00

that was so nice of you and then he

48:02

passed away like a year later and now I'm

48:05

like, okay I still have to make that thing

48:07

cool to honor this person that

48:09

gave me this wood. And so yeah,

48:11

I Don't

48:13

know when I'm gonna do that cool thing Like

48:16

yeah, you know like really good plan

48:18

to do cool things And

48:21

really good pine is hard to find around

48:23

here Like of course you can go to

48:25

the Home Depot or whatever and get crap

48:28

But really good beautiful pine is

48:30

very hard to find around here That's

48:33

what you got to ask yourself. Is it is it I

48:35

have a giant piece of is

48:37

it monkey paw I think a monkey monkey pat

48:39

paw. I think I'm saying it right from Costa

48:42

Rica Costa Rica saw mill game in this piece

48:44

It's called the Costa Rican Mills very

48:46

very sweet guy that runs that

48:48

and he sent it to me. It came through Think

48:52

the Carolinas on its way up to me get

48:54

started the Carolinas and then it comes to whoever

48:56

buys it anyway, I got this giant slab of

48:58

wood and I can cut

49:00

it up and make it into like a sideboard

49:02

or something or sideboard or a table of small

49:04

step Several small tables, but the

49:07

best way to honor it is literally clean

49:09

it. Maybe fill the crack in it

49:11

Maybe not maybe put a bow tie in it. Maybe

49:13

not and just put it on a

49:15

stand It's like what else am

49:17

I gonna do with it? I can mill it up

49:19

and turn it into a bunch of little tiny toilet

49:21

paper holders for a million people But that that won't

49:23

honor this beautiful piece of nature The

49:25

way just trimming it cleaning it sanding it

49:27

and giving it a nice finish and then using it

49:29

as a work table Which my plan

49:32

is to take this giant piece. It's eight feet By

49:35

50 inches wide. No, it's eight eight by

49:37

eight by somewhere around eight by four feet

49:39

I'm gonna square it up clean it and Just

49:43

use it as my leather work studio

49:45

table. I don't know what else to do with it I

49:48

can split it in half and make two skinny tables

49:50

out of it. I mean it doesn't seem seem

49:52

sacrilegious to cut it up Outside

49:55

of just cleaning the edge because it's

49:57

not it's not quite doesn't quite have a natural It

50:00

doesn't quite have a natural edge on it. It's been cut out

50:02

of almost like a crotch of a tree, so

50:04

it doesn't have a live edge on either side. Like none

50:07

of the two sides, neither of the two sides have a

50:09

continuous live edge. It's like interrupted

50:11

by the milling process. So

50:14

I'm just going to cut off what little bit of live edge

50:16

there is and square it. There's

50:18

a big fissure down the middle. I'll leave it just because it

50:20

looks pretty. I don't even know if

50:22

I'll fill it with epoxy. I might just leave it open to the

50:24

air because what difference does it

50:26

make? I

50:29

do this too, so hear me, you're

50:31

not trying to sound like I'm better

50:33

than anybody. I do the same thing with material. But

50:36

when you objectively think about it, listening to

50:38

you all talk about it, the

50:41

objective view of it, it's pretty

50:43

silly that we do that, really.

50:46

You know what I mean? It's like imagine if you

50:48

went out and you picked a handful

50:50

of long grass from your yard and you were like,

50:53

this is long grass. This grass. Gonna

50:56

save it. No longer than all the rest of

50:58

it. And I got to do something really special

51:00

with this dead plant. Weave a

51:03

little tiny basket out of it. But

51:06

at the same time, like I totally, it's

51:10

weird that we do that, but I have

51:12

that same feeling of this

51:14

desk right here is made of

51:16

teak. And these

51:18

were the last teak boards I had from

51:22

getting a whole bunch of teak for a project that a company

51:24

was paying for and I didn't have to pay for it. And

51:26

this was left over and I kept

51:28

these boards for

51:30

like five years just like, it's

51:32

teak. I gotta do something with

51:35

teak, you know? And

51:37

I hemmed and hawed about it

51:39

for a long time and finally it was

51:41

like, well, it's either gonna sit there in

51:43

a stack or I'm gonna do something with

51:45

it. And I eventually got to

51:47

where like, okay, I'll make a desk with it. That is at

51:50

least something that I will get to use every day. It's

51:52

not gonna be in there on the wall anymore. But

51:56

yeah, it's really weird that we feel

51:58

that way about... effectively

52:01

a dead plant just like there's

52:04

another one growing in its place right now

52:10

I think it's really it's the intimidation of looking at you

52:12

when you buy a brand new journal and you want to

52:14

make sure the very first thing you write is so important

52:16

that when they find it when you're dead for a hundred

52:18

years that they'll put it in a museum and

52:22

you it's just that blank page it's

52:24

really making sure that what you write

52:27

is is potent and important

52:29

and something you'll be proud of and Rachel

52:32

was in my studio the other day Rachel's in

52:34

my studio the other day and she found one of my

52:36

notebooks have been churning up because Rob is doing a lot

52:38

of moving things around and these three or four

52:40

notebooks from about ten years ago popped up and Rachel grabbed

52:43

one and opened it up and there was a whole thing

52:45

written I must have I said it must have been sitting

52:47

on an airplane when I wrote that because I don't have

52:49

the time to do that ever and she

52:51

started reading I like I grabbed the book out

52:53

there's nothing salacious in it I'm just embarrassed hearing

52:56

my words talk back and read back to me

52:58

about creativity it was just it was my doing

53:00

something I wrote for my students to read to

53:02

my students but I grabbed that

53:04

I'm like don't read that I'm so embarrassed having

53:07

to hear this back and

53:09

that's you don't want to like take a piece of paper and put

53:11

something you're gonna regret on it yeah

53:14

I had this little it's

53:17

like a dotted journal that

53:20

I used and the point I the

53:22

point of it was to just draw something

53:24

every day like a piece of furniture or

53:26

something to make do something every day

53:29

and I was doing pretty good for a couple months it's

53:32

been a it's been a couple weeks since I've

53:34

actually put an entry in there but the

53:37

first page I did not like what was

53:39

on the first page I tore out the

53:42

first page so and then

53:44

the entries past that are actually

53:46

much better so it just bothered

53:48

me that the first page of

53:50

this the sketchbook was not

53:53

up to what not just

53:55

not up to my standards so I got rid of it and

53:59

I don't know if it was for me or

54:01

if it's for somebody else

54:03

who comes across it but I just didn't like

54:05

it. Hmm.

54:09

I mean, yeah, we do that. We edit ourselves all

54:12

the time. Constantly, that's just another way to do

54:14

it. So talking about

54:16

this, the whole idea of like not

54:19

knowing or putting off something and not starting

54:21

it until you've got the

54:23

right idea, I think the way

54:25

that I find myself doing this more than

54:28

the material side of things, which I absolutely

54:30

have done. But I think I

54:33

do it from like, do

54:35

I have all the problems solved yet?

54:38

I noticed when I was or

54:41

it, there's a threshold

54:44

and I think this is an interesting thing. There's

54:46

a threshold that each of us have with problem

54:48

solving. And

54:51

it's about

54:53

for me, the struggle is how

54:55

much of a, how many of

54:58

the solutions do I have to have solved

55:00

before I actually start? And

55:02

believing that the last 20%

55:05

I can figure out in the moment or the last

55:07

50% I can figure out in the moment or what

55:10

is that like threshold where I'm like, okay, I've got

55:12

enough to go. And I

55:14

felt this doing the building

55:18

this room. Because you know, when I

55:20

thought about it, like from blue

55:23

sky kind of oh, yeah, I'm just gonna, it's

55:26

a room already, I don't have to build anything structural, I'm

55:28

just gonna put up two walls and

55:30

use the two existing walls. So I'm gonna put up two

55:32

walls, there's gonna be a door in it, I

55:35

have to run some electrical around so that

55:37

I have plugs, put lights in the ceiling,

55:39

drop ceiling, I've done that before. Sounds easy

55:41

enough, right? And

55:44

that was my threshold of, yeah,

55:47

that's pretty good. Let's just let's go start

55:49

building some walls. Like

55:51

what a dumb thing to do because there are

55:53

so many minute

55:56

problems, none of which are that

55:58

hard to solve, but there are so many little decisions. decisions

56:00

that have to be made to actually

56:02

do all of those things. And

56:04

so I started, I just went and bought a bunch of two

56:06

by threes. I'm like, yeah, I'll make the wall a two by

56:08

three, so it'll be cheaper. It won't

56:10

take up as much room. Cool. So

56:13

I go and I frame up these walls. And

56:15

then I look at the wall and I'm like, wait a minute. I

56:17

bought a pre-hung door, which is made for a two by

56:19

four wall. And now I have a two by three wall.

56:23

Because I was like, ah, it's like hanging a pre-hung door. It's

56:25

no big deal. You just put some screws in and you're

56:28

good. Dang it. And

56:31

I framed it up without thinking

56:33

about the fact that it has

56:36

to interact with the concrete wall on this side

56:38

and these metal posts on this

56:40

side, which is going to change where the top

56:43

of the thing lies. And that's going to affect

56:45

where the drop ceiling lies because they have

56:47

to be in line with each other. It's

56:50

like downstream decisions that you can't

56:52

make until, or can't really make

56:54

until you've put something

56:56

in place. But I didn't

56:58

even see any of those. I was thinking about

57:01

the big, broad,

57:04

wide choices to be made rather than

57:07

doing that, writing those

57:09

down, and then going, OK,

57:11

if I do that one, what will that cause?

57:13

And I do this a lot. I do a

57:15

lot of, here's some decisions. If

57:18

I make those decisions, what will that cause?

57:20

What will those cause? What will those cause?

57:22

And I went a couple of levels in

57:24

on that. But I realized after I got

57:26

into it that I did not go far

57:28

enough. So I think I jumped the

57:30

gun a little bit on that one. I think I got

57:32

ahead of myself and did not think as far into

57:35

it. And the opposite

57:37

is totally true, probably

57:39

more often, where I

57:41

overthink it, where I think so far

57:43

down into those rabbit holes and into

57:45

the minutia that I'm

57:48

making choices and trying to solve

57:50

problems that probably won't even be there in the

57:52

end. You know what I mean? I

57:54

think and think and think and think. And

57:57

a lot of that stuff kind of

57:59

like. the example of the thing on your shoulder, they're

58:01

not really that big of a deal when you get

58:04

to them, but if you overthink them ahead of time,

58:06

then you're turning them into a big deal. So

58:09

I think for me, the

58:12

bigger hang up is

58:14

like figuring out

58:16

per project, per day, per year of

58:19

my life, where

58:21

is my threshold for I've

58:23

got enough information to take a step? And

58:27

am I comfortable with taking a step,

58:29

not necessarily knowing what the next step's going

58:31

to be? I

58:33

think in general, I'm pretty comfortable with that.

58:35

Yeah, that's what I was describing before

58:38

we started how you

58:40

think and think and think and think on a

58:42

project and you think, okay, I have 75% of

58:45

it saw the hardest parts. You know, that's the one thing

58:47

you kind of chew over the most is the hardest parts,

58:50

or the logistics or the physicality of picking up

58:52

something heavy and moving it through a machine and

58:54

all that stuff you start thinking all that through.

58:58

You're like, okay, I got all

59:00

these hurdles solved. The other hurdles will come to me while

59:02

I'm in the process. And I say it before and I'll

59:04

say it again, the breakthroughs happen

59:07

when you're in the work. So the

59:09

small breakthroughs happen while you're in the work. You can't

59:11

solve every problem. There comes a point where you just

59:13

have to go, let's

59:15

get started. And

59:18

whatever happens, happens. I even said it

59:20

on my Patreon post. I

59:23

was very nervous to start on this project.

59:25

And when I finally did, I just let

59:27

my instinct and my experience run

59:29

the ship. I made some conscious

59:31

decisions on the surface, but I

59:34

let with

59:36

a lot of experience sometimes these

59:38

decisions come to you and it's

59:41

almost unconscious. You don't even make

59:43

that conscious decision. Just

59:46

comes. And that just

59:48

comes also with just muscle memory and practice. I

59:52

think one of the things that I struggle

59:54

with is I feel like every

59:58

new project... should

1:00:00

be better than the last. Oh,

1:00:05

that's funny. I don't really have that. Oh, yeah.

1:00:07

I can get it. Yeah,

1:00:09

you got to keep leveling up every time

1:00:12

you do something. Yeah, and it's because there's

1:00:14

a place that I want to be when

1:00:16

I get older. I want to be this

1:00:18

master craftsman. And so, it's like, well, to

1:00:20

get there, you have to go up every

1:00:23

single project. And if that

1:00:25

project doesn't have that like... Challenge.

1:00:29

Challenge. It feels like I'm

1:00:32

going backwards. And that sets me back a little bit.

1:00:34

And I don't... I

1:00:36

have to get past that. Like, not every project has to

1:00:38

be better than the last. I

1:00:40

certainly challenge myself, but I don't think it has to

1:00:42

be every project. Every once in a while, like... And

1:00:44

I always use the example of me making the casting

1:00:46

that bell and the hurdles I've done

1:00:48

there. There's always once in a while where I'm

1:00:50

like, I have to do

1:00:53

this. Otherwise, I'm going to be a complete failure. I have

1:00:55

to at least try it. I mean,

1:00:57

I think trying to improve every time is a

1:00:59

good... That's a noble thing to do, regardless of

1:01:02

what the end game is. But I think it's

1:01:05

also important to remember that exercise is

1:01:09

about making yourself stronger. But

1:01:11

you can do the same

1:01:14

exercises in repetition to make yourself stronger.

1:01:16

And I think creativity is the same

1:01:18

way where... Like, painters

1:01:20

can paint the same thing 100 times. And

1:01:22

it makes them better painters, not that every

1:01:25

one of those paintings is individual and unique

1:01:27

and like something new

1:01:29

to the world that makes them

1:01:31

a better painter. It's practice, it's exercise.

1:01:34

So I think, you know, you can kind

1:01:37

of let yourself off the hook a little bit in that

1:01:39

not everything has to be... Or

1:01:42

maybe think about it, not everything has to

1:01:44

be a giant leap forward. Right. It

1:01:46

doesn't have to be 10% better. It can be 1% better or

1:01:49

something, you know. But...

1:01:54

And I think I have a hard time with that because I don't do

1:01:57

the same thing on a regular

1:01:59

basis. Which is a choice.

1:02:01

I mean that's on me, but You

1:02:04

know I do I'll make something and then

1:02:06

I won't make another piece of furniture for

1:02:09

a year six months I don't know and so it's

1:02:12

like I'm kind of starting over, you know, I'm not

1:02:14

really leveling up so much

1:02:16

as relearning and That's

1:02:19

not the case with everything But I I don't I

1:02:21

don't hone in on enough to on something enough

1:02:23

to like level it up on

1:02:26

a regular basis Whereas you

1:02:28

know, that's you all I think

1:02:30

both do more of the same things more

1:02:32

often than I do It's like a

1:02:35

few weeks ago. I finished up the stereo

1:02:37

stand which is one of my favorite pieces

1:02:41

But now I need I also need a set

1:02:43

of coasters It feels like I'm just going

1:02:45

backwards like I this thing that took me

1:02:47

three weeks to make now I need to

1:02:49

make coasters and It's and

1:02:53

so then I got into this like

1:02:55

well, let's make some really complicated coasters

1:02:57

how can I make this so complicated

1:03:00

and then I Think

1:03:03

about it. I'm like do I really need to

1:03:05

do that? Can I just cut up some some

1:03:07

wood and just make some posters and then just

1:03:09

joy enjoy the process When

1:03:12

you could look at that from what is the thing that you

1:03:14

want to level up is the thing that you want to level

1:03:17

up there Naturally, you're saying

1:03:19

complexity because that seems like the thing

1:03:21

right making it more complex is gonna

1:03:23

make it better But what if it's leveling

1:03:26

up simplicity? What if it's trying

1:03:29

to figure out how to make the

1:03:31

simplest beautiful coasters or

1:03:35

Ones that pack away or that, you know,

1:03:37

there's another angle that you can kind of

1:03:40

exploit to do this is a challenge Without

1:03:43

it being just more complex just

1:03:45

taking longer just using bigger tools And

1:03:48

at that point you're practicing a different set of

1:03:51

skills. It's not a matter of just can I

1:03:53

would work more, you know Can I sand

1:03:56

harder? It

1:03:58

makes me think like a graphic designer

1:04:01

like you might every

1:04:03

once in a while I follow a lot of graphic design people

1:04:07

on Instagram and every once in a

1:04:09

while something comes across is just so

1:04:12

simple but just absolutely

1:04:15

brilliant and I think

1:04:17

to myself I would have made that way

1:04:19

more complicated than what it needed to be

1:04:22

and finding that the simple thing is sometimes

1:04:25

really really hard. I

1:04:29

think one of the things that we've I think you

1:04:31

and I've talked about this before too but with music

1:04:34

one of the biggest struggles I have with writing

1:04:36

music is restraint and I figured

1:04:38

this out about my long myself a long time

1:04:40

ago from listening to other bands I

1:04:43

have this tendency if I'm gonna make

1:04:45

a rock song the rock song starts here and

1:04:47

it's like this level of intensity and then it's

1:04:49

gonna get bigger and it's gonna swell and it's

1:04:51

gonna drop and

1:04:53

hit and just freight

1:04:56

train to the end and

1:04:58

that is so boring to listen to even though

1:05:00

it's fun to play you know it's like but

1:05:02

for somebody that's like it's

1:05:05

just gravity it's just something getting bigger

1:05:07

and heavier and faster and then it's

1:05:09

done but like restraint

1:05:11

in music it it takes

1:05:13

you right to that swell and then it

1:05:16

pulls you back and then it like takes

1:05:18

in you're almost and then it comes from

1:05:20

like a radio head song so much more

1:05:22

interesting exactly they are so good at restraint

1:05:25

because where I would just take something off the

1:05:27

deep end they're like

1:05:29

let's just put a different song here instead

1:05:31

you know that they do something that's totally

1:05:33

out there but I

1:05:35

think that's an interesting challenge to

1:05:38

say instead of just this kind

1:05:40

of indulgent bigger better more

1:05:45

restraint can be like what can I

1:05:47

do differently what can I what can

1:05:49

I surprise somebody with you know and

1:05:51

for me that's difficult in music but

1:05:54

I think you could apply that to

1:05:56

anything any other

1:05:58

thoughts here we've been talking for a long time No,

1:06:01

I think I got everything I needed to say. Everything

1:06:05

forever? Podcasts is over? We're

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done? Just on this book. Oh, great

1:06:09

way to end it. I was worried about

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you guys have anything to recommend this week?

1:07:25

You're muted, Jimmy. I

1:07:29

knew that. I knew that. I was going to, I'm

1:07:32

going to send you guys. It's somebody I

1:07:34

started following several months ago. She's

1:07:36

a attractive young lady, but her

1:07:39

talents are unbelievable. Her journaling talents. She

1:07:41

is probably one of the best sketch

1:07:43

artists. I was one of the best

1:07:45

sketch artists I follow on Instagram and

1:07:48

she journals all the time. She's an

1:07:50

architect in Scotland and

1:07:53

her last name is Louisa

1:07:56

Schumaloke. I don't know how to say it, but I'll

1:07:58

send it to you. I'll just

1:08:00

send you the screen graph. But

1:08:03

look at her journals and look at

1:08:05

the incredible detail. And the reason

1:08:07

I thought about her, Dave, is you mentioned you were

1:08:10

going to try and do a drawing every day. And

1:08:12

she does these big, it's probably a project she developed

1:08:15

in school, but she's doing them now

1:08:17

and selling them as art. I'm going to show

1:08:19

you guys. You see that? That's

1:08:21

a little, there's like a one inch square.

1:08:23

Every single square has a drawing of that

1:08:25

day in it, whatever that

1:08:27

day is. So it's a visual diary

1:08:29

that she draws. And

1:08:31

then she's been selling these big panels. There's

1:08:34

like 50 by 50 inch panels with a grid

1:08:36

on them and every square there's a drawing. Oh

1:08:38

wow. That's brilliant. Yeah. Yeah,

1:08:41

yeah. So I'll send you guys this. You

1:08:43

guys can follow. So I recommend if you have a

1:08:45

journal and you're intimidated to draw in a journal, look at

1:08:48

this and you'll just throw your journal in the ocean. Rip

1:08:51

out all the pages. Mine

1:08:58

is a YouTube channel called Design

1:09:00

Theory and it's a

1:09:04

fairly large channel. Like a lot

1:09:06

of videos have over a million views, but I

1:09:08

wasn't aware and what caught

1:09:11

my attention was this video that he

1:09:13

did seven months ago and it shows

1:09:15

like this insane

1:09:18

Japan joinery versus

1:09:20

a US

1:09:23

joinery, which is box joints. And so the

1:09:25

thumbnail got my attention and I was like,

1:09:28

Hmm, what's this about? And

1:09:30

then it wasn't about woodworking at all.

1:09:32

It was just about Western versus Eastern

1:09:34

design. I was

1:09:36

like, Oh, that's interesting. And then I've

1:09:38

been diving in other videos of this channel

1:09:41

of like why some designs

1:09:43

are impossible to improve. And it's just

1:09:46

very well

1:09:48

planned, well thought out long

1:09:50

videos about design. Cool.

1:09:55

I've never

1:09:57

heard of him before. Mine

1:10:01

is, several

1:10:04

people sent me this because

1:10:06

I talked about on here wanting to do one of

1:10:08

those like, the sliding

1:10:10

storage things where you have like a

1:10:12

bunch of storage. It's like library shelves

1:10:15

that stack over left right. Well, the

1:10:17

Hacksman. Have you guys ever seen Hacksman?

1:10:21

He has a pretty cool channel. I'd never really, I'd

1:10:23

heard of him, but I'd never seen any of the

1:10:26

videos. But he built one of those in his garage

1:10:28

the other day, and he used these really cool roller

1:10:31

hanger things that I'd never seen before. Now since

1:10:34

then, since talking about that, I've kind of changed

1:10:36

my idea a little bit for

1:10:38

what I was planning on making. So people were sending it

1:10:40

like, oh no, somebody else did your idea already. Not

1:10:43

a big deal. He did a really good job, and it's

1:10:45

a really good video, of

1:10:47

making this compressible storage thing in his

1:10:49

garage. And so, I wanted to give

1:10:52

him a shout out because he did a good job on

1:10:54

it. And it's going to force

1:10:56

me to push my idea even further in

1:10:58

a different direction, which is cool, you

1:11:00

know. But anyway,

1:11:02

go check him out. He

1:11:05

did a good job. He used like this Unistrett

1:11:08

stuff, and then these

1:11:10

little bearing roller things that sit up inside

1:11:12

of it. Sounds like they're

1:11:14

kind of expensive, but they hold a lot of weight.

1:11:16

Is it kind of like a farm door, like a

1:11:19

farm rolling farm, hanging farm door kind of thing? Kind

1:11:21

of, but it's inside of a channel. So

1:11:23

you have this like Unistrett channel with an

1:11:25

opening at the bottom, and the trolley kind

1:11:27

of fits inside the hook. Yeah, that's how

1:11:30

like new modern doors, new modern farm doors look

1:11:32

a little bit like that. The old

1:11:34

ones have the exterior. Yeah. Cool.

1:11:40

Well, unless you guys got

1:11:42

anything else. That's it.

1:11:46

Cool. Well, thank you for listening everybody. Thank you. There's

1:11:50

always going to be more material. There's always

1:11:52

going to be more journals. So just dig

1:11:54

in. Yeah. That was my advice. It's

1:11:57

easiest reason to run every day. It

1:12:00

is, certainly. All right, thanks for listening,

1:12:02

everybody. Thank you. See you next time. Bye.

1:12:06

Love you.