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really my thing that was the intention

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that it's that it's crowded and i men

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gonna sit down and those who nice

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holy fuck man

2:25

much anything of value when i think about both

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2:30

out loud as you will be able to ask them lies

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fun anyway onto nice shots

2:45

as another anniversary rolls around

2:47

is there anything need to say about the death

2:49

of princess diana i have an unpopular

2:51

opinion and why everyone is worried

2:54

about a movie called don't worry darling

2:56

and it involves tesla set of harry styles

2:58

and a former cool though

3:00

hold on

3:02

the first

3:05

image that any store appearance by

3:08

a t talking only san star

3:10

was , down in perth over the weekend

3:13

because there was quite the excitable

3:15

brouhaha have say say

3:18

three year old influence and of whole has been touring

3:20

the country as part of her collaboration with an

3:23

active way active but yesterday

3:25

during a san mate and great that she had

3:27

like in events the police had to

3:29

com and intervene when massive crowd

3:32

warmed her and fans chanted and his

3:34

name as they filled the streets while one

3:37

even brought a pony i did he never

3:39

heard of on a pole wise

3:41

so i've heard of and of whole only

3:43

because a number of people hear me

3:45

out in the jin said

3:48

demographics has suggested i see us and

3:50

i feel sad because she has

3:52

an oil sands accounts and only

3:54

sans how you describe any sense to those

3:56

who on on i don't know it is a subscription

3:59

platform for women he want to make private

4:01

content and often it is like

4:03

six content sex positive content so i believe

4:05

that chief says videos and photographs

4:07

and all that kind of and see have millions and millions

4:09

of subscribers she makes millions

4:12

and millions of dollars and she has like

4:14

i'm not sure about the kind of content think

4:16

it's quite sexy con men that she makes she

4:19

bought a house to his mom says this of

4:21

invincibility the pony i don't know why the

4:23

pine use their this reminded me

4:25

of something i was listening to on a podcast

4:27

recently the haven't set thinking about which is

4:30

how the nature of fame has changed

4:32

because if any of us three with s that

4:35

then she walked pasta is no

4:37

way i could pick her out of line mom

4:39

couldn't i , that

4:41

are obsessed with unopposed like it to them

4:44

she the number one celebrity in

4:46

australia, but

4:49

it's this phenomenon of two

4:51

people you in a friend somewhere and

4:53

sporting a celebrity in a a cafe but

4:56

one of you has never heard about this person,

4:58

all seen them before and the other one is losing their mind

5:00

and it's so it

5:03

just speaks to how the nature of of celebrity has changed

5:05

because we thought of losing the marilyn

5:07

monroe's were losing the brad pitts

5:10

who are universally famous

5:12

because now you'll say someone happens

5:15

and he took all the time you got this chicken

5:17

to talk and of has like have never seen out of my algorithms

5:19

events that are are fragmented media consumption

5:22

yes fragmented celebrity to use a

5:24

guy like i've found that he notices

5:26

lot out loud as out there who will recognize

5:29

us and sometimes you been a situation

5:31

and they will pay a group of women north

5:34

of women and one of them will be like

5:36

oh my god i'm in that louder and wanna talk

5:38

on got one is sophie and the new gods

5:41

the you want to say nothing to finalise like noisy

5:43

do is , my friends find

5:46

some a loud close close

5:49

the weekend you might have seen photos

5:52

of to the and be a star shaquille o'neill

5:54

beside alzheimer's sir anthony albanese

5:57

at a press conference is understood

5:59

this during the press conference shack

6:02

with expected to express his support

6:04

for the indigenous voice to parliament after

6:06

he had requested a meeting in sydney

6:09

to learn more about the referendum but

6:11

after the pam introduced him he sort of

6:13

mumbled a couple of lines and left

6:16

this is what it sounded like

6:17

they are you going to delay

6:19

australia's notices over there

6:21

are you almost as american

6:25

culture when of remove removed as let me know

6:27

fantastic sanchez said listen

6:29

job and one osha loves

6:31

i said

6:32

there are also a well as soon as

6:35

i have a good soldier of system or summer

6:37

shaq loves australia you know israeli

6:39

i love someone he refers to themselves from the third

6:41

person i kind ,

6:43

humility humility fit context

6:46

the whole reason he's here is he's promoting a

6:48

movie i'm pretty sure that's why he's doing the rounds and you

6:50

are seeing him everywhere at the moment

6:52

right he makes a good photo up because he's very

6:55

very merry everyone who

6:57

stands next to him looks very to very looks

6:59

a we can't get enough of the i was walking

7:02

past that press conference like haughty he's

7:04

people this is a story reached

7:06

out to the pans paypal and

7:08

said shaquille o'neal is really interested

7:10

in this voice to parliament thing for anyone

7:12

who's not across this a voice to parliament which

7:14

she probably hearing a bit about is

7:17

a piece of legislation that is being put forward which

7:19

will mean that they will be a group of aboriginal and

7:21

torres strait islander people talked

7:23

to advise the australian parliament and

7:25

government and it's also about acknowledging

7:28

that indigenous australians with the first

7:30

we're at the beginning of

7:33

the basically what's gonna be a campaign

7:35

yes to popularize and socialize

7:37

this notion so that was kind of the first

7:40

salvo , what will turn into

7:43

tv ads with high profile

7:46

australian speaking on them and you know

7:48

a campaign is coming on this essay so

7:50

i was shocked that according to the minister for

7:52

indigenous australians linda burney he

7:55

was there because of his work in the united

7:57

states about social justice and lift

8:00

people up who are marginalized

8:02

the pam argued that the world is watching

8:05

this debate in australia about a

8:07

recognition of first nations people but

8:10

it has since been absolutely

8:12

slammed as slammed publicity stunt with

8:14

country liberal senator just

8:16

into nampa jimbo branding

8:18

the move clueless and out of touch

8:20

she's done a lengthy facebook post where

8:22

she has said i've got no doubt shack the top

8:24

bloke but it's a bit insulting to call

8:27

on call black american to help with black australians

8:30

as if this if this about the color of one's

8:32

skin she added the aboriginal australians

8:34

historically have more in common with native americans

8:37

than african american what

8:39

are we reckon because there's no doubt this is a publicity

8:42

sound albany the is

8:44

behind you know and indigenous voice

8:46

in parliament which i'm sure

8:48

all of us look like the right side of history

8:50

that seems like a great thing yeah

8:52

, was a little bit of show pining but is

8:54

it necessarily a bad thing what do you think

8:57

holly i think it was an embarrassing misstep

8:59

and i'm a fan of elbows and

9:01

i was definitely a fan of linda bernie's and

9:03

i have very much much

9:06

that as i say what the beginning of a campaign

9:09

and afterwards i'll both both about this and

9:11

he and look it's

9:13

really important that we get a lot of australians

9:15

on board with this at a particularly people who can speak

9:17

to young people particularly high profile

9:19

people who can change minds and all of that kind of stuff

9:22

and i agree but we know

9:24

how hypercritical people

9:26

are have any of that kind of celebrity

9:29

that and endorsement i

9:31

mean i'm not comparing the two issues

9:33

at all but think about those

9:36

ads that were made during the pandemic when

9:38

quite a lot of celebrities were corrupted

9:40

by the victorian were government to

9:42

sell vaccines

9:44

social distancing all the things and the ridicule

9:47

and the criticism of the mag their ads

9:49

and other things is just massive so you

9:51

know when is setting out on

9:54

a big new public campaign for something

9:56

the it's really important try get it right and you know

9:58

gonna win all the time not everybody's gonna think

10:01

you guys but this is the first

10:03

salvo like a photo

10:05

op with a man who has absolutely

10:07

nothing to do this issue who just wants to walk

10:09

on a mumble olive australia i'm

10:12

here if you need a walk off again

10:14

modifying the a lot

10:16

i don't think it went to plan i don't think that

10:18

our anthony albanese lot of in

10:20

that it wasn't about his face can

10:22

we agree on as i play my sack exactly

10:25

and look the man has been very busy he's probably

10:27

the time he was in across it and

10:29

so he said the least he possibly could i'm

10:32

here to enable roman ,

10:34

is exactly sign

10:37

me up an easy some credit keep trying to

10:40

do the right thing and you know what everyone

10:42

is talking about this press conference and

10:44

people ah by extension and

10:46

it's not all good publicity but by extension

10:49

talking about this legislation which

10:51

as important as it is sometimes it is really

10:54

hard to get the profile that is necessary in

10:56

order to get the average australians

10:58

who really cares australians also

11:00

have a thing that america

11:03

watching it's very hard to explain

11:06

we hate being and fairest we

11:09

hate the i well that was embarrassing

11:11

yes it is not like the like ease our

11:13

and people on enough and we have to yes

11:16

i never i guess another reason why it was embarrassing

11:18

yeah really important issue i

11:21

agree but i just think there's gonna be so

11:23

many voices that it gonna be exacerbated

11:26

to speak and i think that's the

11:29

haven't done this before it's a little bit like

11:32

with same sex marriage that referendum

11:34

it is gonna become almost

11:36

like an election campaign i

11:38

don't know enough about it

11:40

but i think you can often say

11:43

who is supporting that side because i

11:45

agree with them about most other things now i

11:47

wouldn't say he said i was shocked by think shack

11:49

will appeal to a certain audience and

11:51

mls that yeah and then they'll be other people

11:54

knew all go off i think

11:56

they can call and pretty grace if

11:58

she thinks it's a good idea

12:01

mcenroe the jags he is or elsa

12:03

an ability on an issue your

12:06

, have to know what they're talking

12:08

about he is he an ambassador he was

12:10

an ambassador but he's not as an official ambassador

12:13

but being pulled into that role in that

12:15

moment and that photo op really

12:18

easy talking points you need

12:20

a broad i broad like a note saying that saying think

12:22

it was you know everyone should be fired

12:24

or anything but when i looked at it on sunday

12:27

because it was all over everything the

12:30

just so er that's the disappointing saw

12:32

it might seem a little undercooked it wasn't

12:34

the start i thought it was like you know

12:36

cities is already been discussed in this

12:38

is not the first time i have spoken about no no

12:41

no but this is the beginning of i'm paying

12:43

for it said that's the first kind

12:45

of psycho celebrity moment

12:47

for anderson is a complicated issue not all

12:49

the dinner table certainly going my way about

12:51

it like it's a complicated issue with lots

12:53

of side sir and i just think it's a bit of a same

12:55

the our first introduction to what

12:58

this looks like was basically a sight gag between

13:00

like look at this giant man and this tiny

13:02

man and this american it does nothing that sort

13:05

of thing or if we could have bought a pony sometimes when

13:07

you're trying to say the right thing you're gonna have

13:09

some awkward moments that

13:13

album the trying

13:15

and i think that we can get bogged down

13:17

in campaigns like this or that

13:19

the wrong expression of the right idea

13:22

that we lose sight of what actually

13:24

matters but if shaq the biggest

13:26

international name in the country right now is standing

13:29

on a stage going the favourite

13:32

i mean look i don't think it hurts

13:36

non i'm in or out loud this is right you

13:38

from ted i , just listening

13:40

suggest the talk of that's a printer

13:43

printer it reminded me of a name

13:45

i read on the internet and said something

13:47

like right against the machine

13:49

as machine specified what type of machine no

13:51

seriously but seriously reckon that was probably

13:54

was princess

13:55

right i totally agree printers are

13:57

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15:30

wednesday is twenty five

15:32

years since princess diana died and

15:34

so from this past weekend all the

15:36

way into next you're gonna see lots of stories

15:38

about diana princess of wales that must

15:41

be something need to say right after twenty five years

15:43

of , this have an unpopular

15:46

opinion which is that know there

15:48

is nothing need to say about this

15:50

after twenty five years several movies

15:53

several musical endless documentaries

15:55

enemies it as enemies it the musical

15:58

yes there is

16:07

i'm literally hundreds of books

16:10

written about her life from very

16:12

credible journalists to someone who walked

16:14

past or in a shopping mall wants

16:16

her legacy has struggles her influence

16:19

i think it's time to get the

16:21

data obsession arrest and

16:24

it seems that has sons agree with

16:26

me they , apparently the instigators

16:28

to the fact that there will be no official quarter

16:30

century recognition of down as death from the

16:32

with him and and and william

16:34

who famously are talking to each other at the minute seem

16:36

to agree on one thing and that's that the public

16:39

memorial icing of their mother should be done

16:41

lights they have both said demark

16:43

her passing privately separately

16:45

talking to their families about the woman that

16:47

they that nothing like we saw

16:49

last year for example when they unveiled that statutes

16:52

that was in the memorial garden her

16:54

memorial home i get

16:56

it i think bad as is one of the most

16:58

over examined lives of our

17:00

sensory and i know that we can

17:02

argue that we learn a lot of lessons

17:05

from the way we've treated women in the past high profile

17:07

person is certainly

17:09

, of things that done as life and death

17:11

has taught us but i feel like

17:14

we've done it we've learned their lessons

17:16

we've had these stories can we

17:18

stop milking it could that possibly

17:21

be another lesson in diane me i

17:24

can't imagine how traumatic it is

17:26

the particularly william and harry

17:29

lading the anniversary every

17:31

year anyone he's lost someone will tell you that

17:33

sexually the laid up to someone's

17:36

in the jewish religion equality outside but

17:38

the anniversary someone's desk and

17:41

, the actual days not as

17:43

bad and that's if it's private like

17:45

imagine if the whole world

17:48

you know you had to look at the commercial

17:50

machine around that it's like we're gonna

17:52

do stories were gonna days special

17:55

magazine covers weekend a covers documentaries

17:58

are gonna release me books were gonna look at pictures

18:00

of her alive we get am in a lot honestly

18:03

made and i imagine that's right

18:05

traumatic but the reason

18:07

there's an industry for all of that

18:09

because

18:10

we're not finished with her and i don't think we'll ever

18:13

be finished with her you mean in the same

18:15

way that we're not finished with marilyn

18:17

monroe o j f k

18:19

the kid when someone really famous

18:22

dies not only and early

18:24

and unexpectedly it's

18:27

love when you got this appetite

18:29

she died at the peak of the same so

18:32

we still have it very unsatisfying

18:34

if it had for what happens next in

18:36

the story and we came

18:39

bumping into the fact that

18:42

nothing is gonna happen next because she's not

18:44

here sites the wider make something happen

18:46

next is to go backwards really

18:49

rifle

18:50

through every day he'll and

18:53

the chronology in reverse and i think within

18:55

the same with marilyn an imaginary imagine

18:57

what would happen next which has been the

18:59

latest wave just in the last year or two

19:01

the news story about diana is who she would be

19:04

now and i've always thought about

19:06

that we did yeah we've done a guy breath

19:08

about i wield a little mac or that elemental surgery

19:10

she would have had yeah i'm what she would have physically

19:13

look like yep and people

19:15

outside questions because i never saw her

19:18

royal oh yes i

19:20

tend to agree with may have that will never be done

19:22

and i disagree with what you said holy

19:25

about the lessons of mainland the reason

19:27

we can't leave diane or line is because the lessons

19:29

haven't been land and they're being repeated currently

19:31

so it's a case with any history would email

19:34

with meghan yes with a gun paps

19:36

treatment of women in the media pounding

19:38

people all the more reason to stop going

19:41

on about balancing on it's also

19:43

the royal family exactly

19:46

the lessons haven't been learned by what a weird

19:48

institution the royal family is and what it

19:50

asks of the women who marry into

19:52

it so you're right that hasn't been selected

19:54

that any is anything that is what's happened next

19:57

in the story you know how you say the insatiable

19:59

need a lot because we don't know what have next

20:01

the story will we do and we visit

20:03

that upon had children and the people

20:05

around them right as will at this is what happens

20:07

next in the stories pass me the popcorn

20:10

molly upset about this all over again

20:13

how many more things could we possibly

20:15

live i could tell you what data had for breakfast

20:18

unfair last day i could tell you where

20:20

she liked to work out where she liked to eight

20:22

and the people who are around her what her best friend's

20:25

name is and so easily satisfied

20:27

if he a youthful i am not only

20:29

full i'm like now a little bit

20:31

nauseous yeah i'm like it's haim

20:34

to let that lie i don't

20:36

know what i'm asking for them again which he thought

20:38

stop people from talking about high profile

20:41

people but i imagine

20:43

that for the people who really knew her none

20:45

of it is satisfying or helpful and

20:47

, for the rest of us it's discontinuing a soap

20:49

opera opera know

20:51

what else there has to die as he marries that's fair

20:54

because she meant a lot to a lot of

20:56

people they might not have known her betty

20:58

very different from say introduction

21:02

did i thought oh lady gaga

21:04

you even saw it in a way that when george michael

21:06

died like he meant something to them so they

21:08

came and i cried and they put flowers

21:11

it he's oh and for

21:13

i just don't think she can take an

21:15

obsession for generation is let's

21:17

say women particularly genetics and

21:19

boom is it's hard to

21:21

explain to anyone younger than us how famous

21:24

she was and grace doesn't the

21:26

have here meet heights which is why i

21:28

think that we see it come up

21:30

every year round the same time in it's the same way

21:32

that anyone who lost someone twenty five years ago

21:35

doesn't , talking about them a quarter

21:37

of a century later because they're still real

21:39

on their story didn't know that for her son's

21:41

a saying was a glut let us do this in

21:44

private remember that woman and the mother

21:46

that she was and let's

21:48

stop having all these public

21:50

expression some after twenty five you the reason

21:52

why i think that is think that

21:55

i remember diane at the percent and what we see in

21:57

memorialize a sin and in every article

21:59

and in it okay can in even things like the

22:01

crown so that diana the person is that diana

22:04

the symbol and we've lost all sense

22:06

to watch her martyrdom

22:09

her become some sort of st must

22:11

be really hard for the people that loved her because

22:13

that's not indicative is who she was she as as being

22:16

she's been transformed

22:18

into this the medicine even

22:20

human anymore that must be really

22:23

difficult which that you can't put fame

22:26

back in the bottle like the can't make her an

22:28

iconic she'll always be iconic

22:30

in the same way that you know maryland

22:33

is i clinic and jackie oh his

22:35

iconic because i think part of it

22:37

also is we think about ourselves

22:40

like i think straight away about where i was

22:42

when i had that

22:43

news

22:45

flash from national my news

22:48

welcome to this special national nine years update

22:51

and the news out of paris on the condition of

22:53

princess diana is not good she

22:55

is now officially reported as

22:58

dead and where i was when she got married

23:00

you know the little girl i was watching that wedding

23:03

how i felt when she came out and talked

23:05

about blame your where i was in my life and

23:07

the day that she died you know i think we

23:10

could talk in vivid detail about where we were

23:12

so it's like when a famous person dies a

23:14

don't know it he's caught up in his

23:16

you know in think we're talking

23:19

about diana more now than we were ten years ago

23:21

see i think we are and the reason

23:23

says ask is that

23:26

if you look that any sort of historical

23:28

moment and what we're choosing to memorialize

23:31

at any time it's just completely

23:33

influenced by the president it's like how can we learn

23:35

lessons about the present from the past that is what is constantly

23:38

been done and so when

23:40

what happened with megan on hurry the

23:42

fuck we've just had her son

23:44

leave the role that i just and the crown i think

23:47

i'm the crowley's phase and of the crown

23:49

with diana played by australian actress

23:51

elizabeth debakey that's going to be massive

23:53

and you can say that william and harry

23:56

must be feeling see the narrative around her

23:58

has some turned in the past the because

24:01

it was the canonization that you talking about

24:03

before jesse but now the media

24:05

that depict said the picked her probably

24:07

much more accurately as a very complicated

24:09

human in a very difficult situation who

24:11

often acted in ways that people might have found

24:14

problematical difficult and that

24:16

she wasn't some kind of sainted one

24:18

dimensional characters dimensional cushy wasn't

24:20

because none of us were and also she was pushed into

24:22

was situation that was almost untenable

24:24

not deny it's a fascinating story i'm

24:27

just thinking think it's been

24:29

told to many

24:31

if you want to make outlawed part of your retain

24:33

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24:36

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24:38

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24:40

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24:42

and a big thing

24:43

he took all our current subsided

24:50

there's a lot going on around

24:53

a movie that's not even out for a month later

24:55

i'm dying see to tell me about the and we

24:57

need to unpack it because it seems to pay

24:59

what was certainly lighting up our group chats

25:01

over the weekend or , dazzling

25:04

is such a great nine for assume and

25:06

it's going to be in in cinemas

25:09

in among

25:09

victoria things money

25:11

can fly over i ,

25:13

that show you wouldn't believe the things i've

25:15

heard heard hours only have

25:17

time for each for what

25:20

is the enemy

25:23

of progress town

25:33

the one thing they ask us

25:37

the

25:39

here in uganda

25:42

sleeps in the bedroom even the last

25:44

few days

25:45

they've been a huge amount of conversation around

25:47

it and a minute break it down for you so

25:49

the film is directed by an

25:51

actress and director called olivia wilde

25:54

many people probably first became aware

25:57

of the existence of this film after

26:00

the her now boyfriend harry styles

26:02

was cast in the laid they ,

26:04

in the making of the film she directed one is

26:06

colleen my favorite films com book smart

26:09

she could do no wrong and it sets

26:11

a wholly actually because she's also formerly

26:13

married to holly's boy

26:15

favorite boyfriend jason said i can

26:17

see place had less i olivia

26:20

and head were married

26:23

at , i think twenty eleven

26:26

and twenty twenty they had

26:28

two little girls who are currently i think like five

26:30

and three i want to sites and

26:33

they split up a couple of years ago

26:36

the other star in this film this

26:38

florence pew that's

26:40

florence pew that i had heard off but i couldn't

26:42

really penis size to it so

26:44

give you a few triggers little women

26:47

black widow lady macbeth she's

26:49

great everyone says she's like the

26:51

best young i recently got oh great

26:53

at little live in his momma just can't think

26:55

of his eyes he was she and little women mags

26:58

so they've been rumors about tensions

27:00

between olivia and florida

27:04

if for a little while

27:05

and client has reportedly

27:08

limited her promotional press appearances

27:10

about the film she hasn't said much

27:12

about the film on his socials and she's said

27:15

a lot of things about her other films

27:17

interesting way from said she

27:19

died and recently broke up with zach

27:23

right now the

27:25

other night that for some is

27:27

a lot older than her out she's had to defend

27:29

that relationship level of in the press now it's

27:31

either are so when asylum

27:33

bus come in because that's the name i've been saying

27:36

awakens he was originally meant to be the south

27:38

the harry styles part he would cost

27:41

to start alongside science

27:43

pew and on the weekend

27:45

the responded to an issue the lydia wilde

27:47

gave with variety magazine where she said

27:50

that she had to part ways

27:52

with him because of her now asshole

27:54

policy and she's actually

27:56

for actually lovely about everyone in the movies but

27:58

she said that his methods

28:01

cause she's apparently claim that done with

28:03

not conducive to the why she wanted to run the

28:05

sensation slam him or anything like that so

28:08

haven came out and released a video

28:10

of heard that she'd sent him a

28:12

video message on

28:14

, ready yet

28:17

you and heartbroken and i was

28:19

figure this out and

28:22

you know i think that might be a bit of a wake up call

28:24

from this low and i want

28:26

to know as year old and forgiving

28:29

me and

28:30

emails and texts and all the stuff basically

28:32

saying i wish you well as na

28:34

sell the bride he and we

28:36

both know that you didn't fire me and

28:39

that i quit and quit was waiting to

28:41

smoking done and the smoking gun that hey same

28:43

to say was because you didn't allow

28:45

you to sufficient rehearsal time and

28:47

the other context for shy is

28:49

that he is currently there are

28:51

a bunch of allegations about he's

28:54

relationship with ex girlfriend fk

28:56

twigs which include allegations

28:58

of sexual battery keys come out

29:01

and essentially said essentially with not a good person

29:03

in that relationship and accepted and lot of that

29:05

and the room is unsubstantiated were

29:07

that florence was not comfortable working alongside

29:10

him because of those allegations

29:12

and because of his methods he came in

29:14

and yes is there any throughout the worry

29:16

is that the reason florence is unhappy now

29:18

with the livia is because in because trial

29:20

of for of film there's a lot of sex

29:23

scenes that season and in that interview

29:25

olivia wilde said no

29:27

man com in this movie it's

29:30

all about same our pleasure and

29:33

it as a very famous same from the trailer

29:35

where harry styles character guys

29:37

down on her on a table and

29:39

olivia wilde said oh the reason for all of this is all

29:41

about how they're young and that crazy central

29:43

obsession that you have to five five films

29:45

on select something i'll be watching the reason we're talking about

29:47

this and case or out loud as like a lot

29:50

why is , olivia

29:52

wilde it seems to me and

29:54

what the team at mama mia who a clever i'm

29:56

full of these things telling me everybody

29:58

loved her right after my everybody

30:00

loved her as part of this jason sudeikis

30:03

couple he was clever and funny

30:05

and man she was beautiful and smart ran

30:07

everybody loves that right and see with an internet

30:10

cool girl but in a way that people

30:12

quite liked but what has happened since he started

30:14

dating harry styles in particular is

30:17

, internet has apparently test and

30:19

now see is a bad mother because

30:22

she's seen without children can you

30:24

imagine such a thing she

30:26

has made has rude film

30:29

it was the one that was says we think about are on the said

30:31

he or she was served with papers

30:33

while she was onstage during a press

30:35

tool for this failure and every

30:37

one last sentence said well had less i would never do

30:40

x a slightly and so she basically

30:42

it feels like her image has taken

30:44

a massive battering since her split

30:47

with jason sudeikis which clearly

30:49

from that moment the serving moment

30:52

if , can agree on anything it's that that is not a friendly

30:54

split split she is also dating

30:57

the man that everybody in the universe

30:59

male female whatever he wants to date

31:02

that very sexy sequin wearing harry

31:04

wearing and see is now

31:07

see habit i i'm

31:09

really mad about it i'm really mad about

31:11

it because to me says very

31:13

talented right if you've seen book smart and i got

31:15

on about it if you haven't go see it immediately

31:18

it is a clever funny feminist

31:20

movie and when i saw that found

31:22

out she directed at i was like sign me up for

31:24

whatever else she makes i want to see it she's

31:26

clearly a great talent now this movie

31:29

i've seen the trailer it looks super rt i

31:31

was taken aback a bit by a lot maybe it's not

31:33

going to be my jam but whatever she's making interesting

31:35

work it's out in the world good

31:38

and says she had world good issues with talent every

31:40

movie director producer would have done exactly the same

31:42

so you lead man you might be kind of getting

31:45

him in getting them out whatever that happens to

31:47

the issue that florence pew by have

31:50

with the way that the trailer is caught misrepresenting

31:52

the movie also something that happens

31:55

but not something that usually to

31:57

an ordinary mail director would see the

31:59

being quiet beaten up on the internet

32:01

but olivia wilde is becoming

32:04

the thing that we've dislike the most which is

32:06

becoming unlikable a little

32:08

bit up herself yep blair other

32:10

children well as the kind of the hi

32:13

i'm getting doreen aids is another

32:15

attack which i will provide good and more

32:17

anger i think that my personal

32:19

i get that cigarette the that door at you and i are

32:21

angry death we're angry for the same raise

32:23

a glass there are so

32:26

few hollywood actresses

32:28

that transition to direct and there are so few

32:30

female directors in hollywood

32:32

at all and let's just helicopter view

32:35

this female director let's be real

32:37

honest about what she's being accused of if

32:39

you look at some of the commentary and

32:41

some of the inside of comments she's being

32:43

accused of upsetting florence

32:46

because she was basically to

32:48

into harry styles onset and got very

32:50

distracted and florence and like that because she was trying

32:52

to make it very serious film and olivia was

32:55

just typically have sex with harry styles kinda going

32:57

to go harriet i don't think it's very

32:59

flashy a because i know

33:01

she's just not so bad my bad guys because

33:03

she has she has she left

33:05

pet lhasa we all know unforgivable

33:08

gonna the giveaway is the nicest mine in the world except

33:10

guys that it's not it

33:13

had last how everybody jason's to

33:15

duke is tell us a not same person

33:17

don't tell you different paypal and so

33:20

especially there is a villain in this story

33:22

everyone can take a deep breath there is a villain is it said

33:25

fucking shy shy

33:27

is absolutely the villain the

33:29

is the man being accused of i

33:31

felt how it is a levy his

33:34

fault i don't know that that's what we do

33:36

we do it with woody allen films we look at every woman

33:38

who is even worse past woody on the

33:40

straight and gone that looks like cate

33:42

blanchett fault and yet we don't look at the

33:44

alleged to be the us so shy

33:47

or is the villain hear that bloody

33:49

letter he wrote to her which was like

33:51

i've found god and i'm the i to good

33:54

at us and be my open letter as

33:56

though he any sense the media soil

33:58

machu are and then he late private

34:00

video calls on the how let's not

34:02

lake private messages a vehicle not assuming

34:05

was days if olivia should be cancelled for

34:07

anything it's a fact that she film that video while driving

34:09

and no one's talking about a

34:11

, as yes and that he

34:13

still has it and sent it that video

34:16

actually proves nothing i know

34:18

situations in which someone thinks i left

34:20

the projects and another person says i

34:22

fired them yet happens all was on

34:24

the doesn't have to be a liar there's just a misunderstanding

34:27

and a well managed exit for shy

34:29

us who was during some bad things so

34:32

i just think the only to lie

34:34

for libya and remember what happened

34:36

when harry styles was dating tell if with yes

34:39

because the world hand on tirelessly and carolyn

34:41

flat and any one that harry styles as ever god

34:43

yeah anywhere near chelsea mclaughlin his

34:45

net payment reporter on may as she calls that

34:47

lack the stan effects as

34:49

the in everyone gets so obsessed

34:52

with harry it happen with selena gomez

34:54

that they turn on the woman and the

34:56

wider that you can make someone look like a complete

34:59

villain pretty amazing

35:01

but i just say this whole tribe is incredibly

35:03

sexist the max this is where it's that t

35:06

when a family is trying to direct

35:08

and release the film i just can also another

35:10

local publicity is good publicity it all the rest

35:12

of it but can you imagine being on the brink of

35:14

releasing this massive big budget

35:16

movie that you've poured years of your life into

35:19

during what is obviously been quite a difficult

35:21

personal time for her and everybody

35:24

just wants to bitch about like plus doesn't get on with

35:26

that actors of own that guy says this

35:28

were and what and distraction if you think

35:30

it stinks guy see the same because

35:32

what hollywood cares about only his

35:34

money so if people don't say it isn't

35:37

particularly early on like early box office

35:40

then she'll get a chance to direct again

35:42

because it does feel very sabotage

35:45

east what doesn't work and olivia wilde

35:47

save a right now and this is something we can't

35:49

ignore is that one of her late actresses will

35:51

not depressed and that isn't a conspiracy

35:54

florence is lying through unless i think

35:56

it's of venice film festival she said they'll come out

35:58

that doesn't look for good also

36:00

because she doesn't want to constantly

36:02

sit there and answer questions about harry styles

36:04

going down on her wits idiot not necessarily

36:07

olivia wilde some noise but i think that production

36:09

houses and this is the worried

36:11

that you don't want them to get scared

36:13

and guy all well there's conflict but

36:16

we love looking for conflict and putting

36:18

and lima light on it when it's between two minutes recommendation

36:21

, we go oh it's related to nurses at

36:24

a sleek jesse man this is a complete

36:26

coincidence actually i am started

36:28

listening to last connections

36:30

which is the other book that

36:33

johann hari one of my favorite think isn't

36:35

hello else writes with spoken

36:37

at length on this show about

36:39

stolen ficus there was an incredible my filter

36:41

with johan where he spoke combat mail mail

36:44

twenty i think book love connections is about

36:47

mental illness essentially and anxiety

36:49

and depression and where it comes it sounded

36:51

listen to it and it is so

36:53

so good i've had so many moments

36:55

are like stop to write things down it

36:58

is read by him and his voice

37:00

the cuddling i hate old i listened

37:02

over the weekend to this bit about loneliness my let these

37:05

two facts it out loneliness that

37:07

noting the first is that if

37:09

you are lonely like and

37:11

co on monitors that your sleep is disrupted

37:14

because it is an evolutionary trait of

37:16

i have no one around me and i i'm not safe

37:18

to fall asleep and so you wake up throughout

37:21

the night to check that your okay which

37:23

just broke my heart and , second

37:25

thing is that if you are lonely and

37:27

you don't have close connections and relationships

37:30

with people you actually become

37:32

more sensitive and you begin to

37:34

think that everything everyone says his offensive

37:37

offensive become like in a kid know with pickles

37:40

for example if you're not having if you're of conversations

37:43

with people than you go out into the world

37:45

and someone makes a comment you guys they're

37:47

attacking me you become quite paranoid

37:50

because again evolutionarily

37:52

you have to have you back up could

37:54

you feel ostracized fair trial

37:56

interesting so do you think like on twitter

37:58

for yes all that here are trolls

38:01

and like trying to cancel everybody else

38:03

soothing his senses you

38:05

know the joke he's out some guy living alone

38:07

in the basement it probably is

38:09

if you think about people in your life who are lonely

38:12

yeah you will also find that they push

38:14

people away and it is actually a symptom

38:16

of loneliness so yeah it's a self

38:18

because if you're exiled from

38:21

a tribe say and you feel

38:23

like you've been disconnected from people

38:25

and then someone tries to the friends you

38:27

then you've kind of got to have your got up because

38:29

you're going i've had this bad experience of being

38:32

exiled i've got to be really really careful

38:34

here and all these instinct

38:36

stop kind of going

38:38

on in your brain and you become

38:40

hyper vigilant whereas if you're well connected

38:43

you give of are on the benefit of the down because

38:45

he thrust paid we become fat distrustful

38:47

when you're lonely because you need to be much

38:49

more vigilant because is no one else in the tried

38:51

that oh have you back exactly so

38:53

you've been listening to this on audiobook

38:55

which i think is best way to listen to lots of non

38:57

fiction and at the same time i've been listening

39:00

this morning on my way into mayor interviewing

39:03

johan for know stilts to say about this

39:05

topic

39:05

past research on what

39:08

causes depression at work was done

39:10

by an amazing australian social scientist he discovered

39:13

the key factor the

39:15

causes depression at work the

39:17

lack of control over your work

39:19

yes so i don't hours to women

39:21

procedure exactly more control you

39:23

have less likely watch com depressed anxious

39:25

in fact incredibly he discovered the more

39:28

control you haven't really what your works the

39:30

less about the was have a heart attack by a really

39:32

significant amount my soaps

39:34

control is essential so i think loads

39:37

of people

39:38

suddenly in the pandemic been given

39:40

significantly more control less than

39:42

they have ever had

39:43

the great he could have fifteen

39:45

conversations of the back of the is so massive

39:48

johann hari recommendation but

39:50

he's audio book is called loss connection yes

39:52

and also on no filter today

39:55

without area main reason thank

39:57

you for listening to my mirror last day this

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