0:09

May I have a question, a concern

0:12

slash something to confront you with? You

0:14

know, in your babble? I actually

0:17

went and watched one in B do

0:19

you watch that? I watch that. I got a news called

0:21

B and Insta Babble is what I do when I

0:23

babble on Insta OK, I accidentally

0:26

played three

0:29

times in a row. I watched that one. I went.

0:31

Are people watching this shit? This is a kind of people

0:34

want to watch and then you go sorry

0:36

and then you sneezed again and I was like, and she,

0:39

she looked at her engagement stats and saw the sneezing.

0:43

All the comments were bless you, bless you. Good

0:46

for engagement. But my concern is not only

0:48

about your sneezing but you know, when you use a beauty blender,

0:52

I've noticed this in meetings and I haven't said anything.

0:54

I thought that the point of a beauty blender

0:56

was that you, but

0:59

when you do a beauty blender, you use it like

1:01

you would use a brush and

1:03

it bothers me because I think too much products getting on the blender,

1:05

not enough on your face. I don't think it's efficient. Do you think

1:08

that's my problem. I think

1:11

that's the least of our problems. I

1:13

know also, it's meant to be moist.

1:16

It's meant to be moist and the people on Tiktok who

1:18

show me how to do it, but I can never find water

1:20

when I need to do it. It's, I'm in a rush,

1:25

don't? It has been

1:27

done. Look, we'll have to ask

1:29

Lee Campbell or we'll have to ask the beauty. But

1:31

I have a feeling it's a dab, not a life

1:34

situation, but it's bothering me. I really love

1:36

the way it feels on my face pounce.

1:39

I think that's what the beauty people call it. The

1:42

pounce. It's a cross

1:44

between a press and a bounce.

1:51

Hello and welcome to Mamma

1:54

Mia out loud. What women are actually talking

1:56

about on Friday the 22nd of March

1:58

with no added sneezing. I am

2:00

Holly Wainwright. I'm Mia Friedman

2:02

and I'm Jessie Stevens. And on the show today

2:05

Australia is the babysitter

2:07

dead. No, not like that.

2:10

Also, Jessie and I finally watched

2:12

some of the movies from the Oscars

2:14

and we're gonna tell you what's worth your time and

2:17

trying a new thing, a back

2:19

disaster and the inevitable

2:22

chat about color seasons. Yes,

2:24

it's best and worst. Welcome to our Fun Friday

2:26

show. But first Jessie, in

2:28

case you missed it, I'm breaking the rules. I'm throwing in

2:30

a Friday in case you missed it. There are four

2:33

things you should know this weekend before putting

2:35

on a load of laundry. If you're anything like

2:37

me, you're gonna be doing a lot of laundry on the weekend.

2:39

And I learnt rules. I like laundry.

2:42

I think you might be good at it because

2:44

Holly and I were just touching some of your clothes

2:46

in the other room. And we were saying they're not

2:49

destroyed like our clothes, we

2:51

were choking them, sniffing them.

2:54

We were saying they're just not destroyed.

2:57

There's a woman named Laura de Barra and

3:00

she's a laundry expert. She's written a book about

3:02

it. I'll buy it for you for Christmas meal. It's about

3:04

how to wash your clothes properly, which means that

3:07

they'll last longer, color won't fade, they'll keep their shape

3:09

and here are four tips. Genuinely

3:11

did not know. The first is that when you put anything in

3:13

your washing machine, you've got to do up the

3:15

zipper. Did you know that? I didn't

3:18

know that? Because if you don't do up your zipper,

3:20

then it's open, the teeth are open and it's catching

3:22

on your cottons and it's ruining your clothes.

3:25

And it also probably changes the shape

3:27

of it a little bit because it can get a little bit pulled out

3:29

of shape. So part of that rule, the

3:31

zipper is that all the buttons on any of your

3:33

clothes need to be completely undone. Because otherwise,

3:36

if they're done up then in the cycle

3:38

they'll pull, you'll lose the shape from

3:40

your shoulders and stuff. So buttons undone,

3:43

but zip done up. What about if you've

3:45

got metal buttons, like, on jeans?

3:47

Oh, good point. Because I feel that that

3:49

is somewhere in the middle of those two things. Yeah.

3:51

Yeah. Good point. I

3:54

doing them up now I think do them up. Ok.

3:57

Cool. Wash as much as possible. A hot

3:59

wash apparently fades the dye. I

4:01

did know that. I didn't know that. That's one I knew. Number

4:04

three fast wash. No,

4:06

no. What? Horrific for clothes. It's

4:08

horrific for the clothes because temperature is

4:11

fast wash. The

4:13

temperature is too hot. And apparently she

4:15

talks about agitation on your fibers, right?

4:18

And so when you put it in, it's like it's pulling

4:20

all the fibers and when it's fast it's just pulling, pulling,

4:22

pulling and like your clothes have just but sorry

4:24

when you say fast, you don't mean quick

4:26

in time. You mean fast spin

4:29

I think? Is that what you mean? Because I've got

4:31

like an express cycle. A very quick wash

4:33

which is only 15 minutes and I don't see why that

4:35

would make her sad. Does it go quicker than a normal

4:38

cycle? Because it goes for 15 minutes?

4:40

Not an hour. But is the actual cycling

4:42

quicker? That's a different thing. That's like the

4:44

speed of the spinning. Too

4:46

many questions. Many questions just don't

4:48

do it. I feel like the things you're telling me are

4:50

raising more questions. OK. Well, number four

4:53

is very clear. I have follow ups. Yeah. Go on.

4:55

Are you two across where you're meant to put the laundry

4:57

detergent and where you're meant to put the softener. Depends

4:59

on your machine, doesn't it? According to

5:01

Laura, I don't use softener. Oh,

5:04

do you? No, I use, I use softener.

5:07

Oh, I've got a friend who's obsessed with, don't know, deal

5:10

that I don't use softer. So, what

5:13

you have to do the detergent,

5:15

some people are putting it on their far left hand side.

5:18

Don't do that very bad. It's something

5:20

prewashed something, something you're meant to put your detergent

5:23

far right corner, that sort

5:25

of last one and the mythical

5:27

and then in the middle one and apparently

5:29

that really matters because it's, when it's released into

5:31

the wash, I have those holes. You

5:33

definitely have those. We all have the same

5:36

holes, holes. Yeah.

5:38

How come your clothes aren't shit? What are you doing?

5:40

I think you separate things. I buy the new

5:43

ones. Is

5:49

the babysitter dead. I don't

5:52

mean in a horror movie kind of a way, although

5:54

more on that in a minute, I mean, teenagers

5:56

making a bit of extra money around

5:58

the neighborhood looking after the little kids

6:01

if you think about it, certainly

6:03

in American culture, but therefore has seeped

6:06

into all our culture. The teenage babysitter

6:08

is an icon used to be an icon,

6:10

right? She's either tempting the dads

6:13

who are looking at her in an inappropriate way

6:15

in like schlocky daytime movies or she's

6:18

being terrorized by a serial killer in horror

6:20

movies like in Halloween or she's

6:22

off solving mysteries in the babysitters club.

6:25

But apparently they are disappearing.

6:28

And an essay in the Atlantic called Don't

6:30

Tell America. The babysitters dead by Faith

6:32

Hill explored why. Actually

6:35

the neighborhood babysitter is a thing of the past

6:37

and here are a couple of theories why

6:39

that's true. One of them

6:41

is that we no longer think teenagers

6:44

are responsible enough to be able to look after

6:46

Children and where we may

6:48

once have thought that a 12 year old

6:50

could probably look after a younger child. Now,

6:52

people generally think a 12 year old needs

6:55

a babysitter. That's so interesting.

6:57

There used to be a kind of specific

6:59

sort of age bracket

7:02

that we gave to babysitters.

7:04

And it's in this article, li um

7:06

historian of Childhood explains it by

7:08

saying that around 12 or 13,

7:11

often if you were having a babysitter come, you'd probably

7:13

put the kids to bed or very close to

7:16

and maybe even stock the fridge with a few snacks

7:18

for the babysitter. And she says

7:20

they recognized that she was grown up enough

7:22

to be an extra eye in the home, but

7:24

childlike enough to go looking for snacks.

7:27

And it's true, right? That kind of particular

7:30

era. Another theory is that our communities

7:32

have changed. So if your babysitter was,

7:35

as she very often was, and I certainly was

7:37

when I was babysitting your friend's daughter.

7:39

So a kid you've been watching grow up over

7:42

years, maybe the world's not like that

7:44

now. And you don't have those kind of close

7:46

relationships with your friend's kids because

7:48

you're more likely to socialize with them separately. Another

7:51

thing is we're more anxious

7:53

about all the things that might go wrong. So

7:55

I asked in the out loud as Facebook group about whether

7:58

or not the babysitter was dead here.

8:00

One person wrote, yes, I won't have

8:02

someone babysit unless they can do CPR

8:04

and are an adult. I wouldn't want the trauma

8:07

on a child if something happened. And

8:09

another person said I would, if I had teens,

8:11

I wouldn't let them sit for other people's Children because

8:13

if anything went wrong, there would be no

8:15

end to the fallout. So we're all

8:18

helicoptering. The babysitters

8:20

being the teens as well as helicoptering

8:22

the Children being babysat. Exactly.

8:26

And then another theory is that parents

8:28

just go out less, which is partly money,

8:30

of course, but this is a bigger picture than recent

8:33

cozy living pressures. Parents

8:35

have more fun things to do at home. We're cocooning

8:37

with our technology and all that kind of stuff.

8:39

So the sort of stereotype that we've seen

8:41

in lots of movies, which is at least once

8:44

a week. Mom and dad might go out. And when I was

8:46

a kid, my parents went out

8:48

every Friday night, they went to the pub with

8:50

their friends, every Friday night and we

8:52

had babysitters and my parents were teachers.

8:54

So they had like a never ending because

8:58

my mom taught like sixth form kids. So like

9:00

16 to 18, we had a never

9:03

ending stream of 16 to 18 year

9:05

olds who would look after us on a Friday night. And

9:07

they're saying that these days parents are less likely

9:09

to have that kind of regular schedule.

9:13

What do we think? I have a few theories

9:15

about what's happened. The first was actually

9:17

brought up in that Jonathan height article we talked

9:19

about recently, which was about

9:21

globalization and the effect

9:24

of a 24 hour news cycle and getting

9:26

every story delivered to us all the time.

9:28

And apparently this started changing in say

9:30

the 19 eighties where every time

9:33

something horrible happened to a kid, we heard about

9:35

it. And so the sense of danger is a lot

9:37

more imminent and even the CPR thing, right?

9:39

It's great to have someone looking after your kid

9:41

who, who can do CPR. But our sense

9:44

that that would need to happen is

9:46

statistically disproportionate because

9:48

we've all heard that horror story or we've

9:50

all heard the horror story about the teen babysitter

9:52

that does something wrong. The other thing that

9:54

people are really, really conscious about is any

9:56

sort of sexual abuse. Like I haven't heard a horror

9:58

story about a teenage babysitter that's just

10:01

something going like, and I know

10:03

that fear especially, you know,

10:05

with little little kids is high

10:08

but the fear that your baby

10:10

or that your child will choke or

10:12

knock their head or have some like health

10:14

catastrophe. I don't think that

10:16

was as present a generation or two ago

10:18

because we weren't being bombarded with

10:21

parental anxiety was not

10:23

as high as it is now, not as widespread.

10:26

The other thing I think is

10:28

happening is that it's a result

10:30

of this sense that you can't look after

10:33

kids unless you have a qualification. So because

10:35

of the professionalization

10:37

of the child educator

10:40

industry, there's a sense now

10:42

that you do need to have done the courses and you

10:44

do need to have all the training in order to look after

10:46

kids. And that wasn't necessarily the case

10:48

all those years ago. And

10:50

the other is that the working mums,

10:53

I know we know that if

10:55

you are living in a city, then most of the time

10:57

you need both parents working when

10:59

working moms aren't at work, they

11:01

feel like they have to be at home. So

11:04

even I'm finding the time

11:06

that I get with Luna feels

11:08

so and you know, again, that's little kids,

11:11

but it feels like I almost can't go out

11:13

on a Friday or a Saturday night because

11:16

that's the not the only time, but that's

11:18

the time that I get with her. Same with single parents

11:21

because you're a single parent and you're sharing custody,

11:24

you don't want to get a babysitter on the night

11:26

you've got your kids or your partner

11:28

might give you a hard time or you're trying to save money

11:30

or you'll just go out on the nights that you don't

11:32

have your kids. So, it's

11:35

interesting because in the out loudest Facebook

11:37

group, lots of people said that they did still use teenage

11:39

babysitters in specific situations, right?

11:42

So people say that if you think

11:44

about this idyllic, you know, the American

11:46

movie stereotype of the idyllic suburban

11:48

neighborhood, then it works

11:50

really well because they're usually your neighbors,

11:52

they live nearby. So like one out louder writes

11:54

teenage neighbors are the best babysitters. They're keen,

11:57

they're affordable and you can walk them safely back

11:59

home across the street or next door. If you've had a few

12:01

drinks and crucially

12:03

their own parents are usually home. So

12:05

there's this added safety

12:07

net. So it can be if something did go

12:09

wrong, they could call and mom could be there in a minute.

12:11

But I have another theory which is also,

12:14

it's about if we think that they're very often

12:16

female teenage babysitters, it's

12:18

about the idea of possibly exposing

12:21

them to adults

12:23

that you don't know, like fear of that because

12:25

some people said I'd let my 14

12:28

year old daughter babysit for people. I know, but I'd never

12:30

let her babysit for strangers. And again,

12:32

to that thing of us all being very panicky

12:34

about stuff. Again, from those movies,

12:36

the dad drives the teenage girl home

12:39

after the shift is finished or whatever.

12:41

Now we would be like, oh, what if that

12:43

something happens? Da, da, da da. And which obviously

12:45

has happened in history. But should

12:47

we all be afraid of that all the time? I wonder what's

12:49

lost because I used to babysit

12:51

all the time when I was a teenager and sometimes

12:55

I did stupid things. Like I let kids

12:57

stay up too late. I'd let them

12:59

watch a horror movie. I would,

13:01

you know, do all kinds of things you weren't supposed to do but,

13:03

you know, no harm, no foul. I don't think anything

13:05

really bad happened. I'd sneak my boyfriend in,

13:08

you know, I'd raid their cupboards.

13:10

But again, like, this is all

13:13

just silly teenage stuff

13:15

that I don't know if we just lost

13:17

the tolerance for imperfection, you

13:19

know? Yeah. I only babysat a couple of times

13:21

when I was little because I just found it boring. I did

13:23

it mostly for the snacks because my

13:25

parents never had good snacks. So I'd go and

13:27

I'd just look for snacks, but I wasn't

13:29

that interested and it didn't serve me

13:32

well when I had Children because I had no experience.

13:34

I hadn't babysat. I had never looked

13:36

after I'd never changed a nappy. I'd never looked

13:38

after anyone's child.

13:40

It also depends how old your kid is. Right. Because

13:43

if your kid's a certain age they

13:45

can tell you. I hated having babysitters.

13:47

We never had young babysitters. I would have liked that.

13:49

We always had older babysitters. They

13:53

were old and like, mother

13:56

and grandmother types. They were not fun.

13:58

Yeah, that's the other thing. Right, is that because

14:00

of university, if

14:02

you had the choice about getting a 13 year old babysitter

14:05

or a 23 year old babysitter who's

14:07

finishing a university degree and also

14:09

needs some casual work. You're probably gonna

14:11

choose a 23 year old. So this delayed

14:14

adulthood where people are doing more casual work for

14:16

longer also means that there are

14:18

more people that are potentially able to do

14:20

it. I was sitting there going, I grew up on

14:22

the babysitters club, read it all the time. They were

14:24

13, there was one of them that was 1111,

14:28

lots of people said in the out loudest group, they said

14:30

that they, when they were young and I certainly

14:32

did this, they looked after little babies

14:34

and now they've got b yeah, like

14:37

I couldn't imagine letting a 14 year old look after

14:39

them. But again, this is just all this

14:41

fear and panic because personally

14:43

I'm a big believer that parents should go out. Like,

14:45

I think parents have to have lives outside of their

14:47

kids. It was modeled to me, I

14:49

guess. So. I, with my parents and their Friday night

14:52

and the takeaway and they'd go out and they'd be a bit. But

14:54

like, I think it's important you gotta have a life.

14:56

You can't sacrifice everything for your kids.

14:58

Right. And it's really expensive to

15:00

go out. And so hiring a 23

15:02

year old, she's going to get paid

15:05

a lot more money than a 14 year old. A 14

15:07

year old will do it for a little bit of pocket money

15:09

to put on the data on her phone or to buy,

15:11

well, actually, probably a really expensive serum

15:13

at Mecca. But, you

15:15

know, a proper professional is going to put 100

15:18

100 and $50 on your going out

15:20

bill and you are not going to go out. We're losing

15:22

a lot of things by being. So if

15:25

it's true that we are being much more afraid

15:27

of that, obviously, with the parameters of

15:29

safety, it's funny now that we think 14

15:32

year olds couldn't possibly look after

15:34

a four year old is in the same way that

15:36

we look at 20 year olds and go, they're not adults, but

15:38

they are, you know, but the people who

15:40

are qualified childcare professionals, the people who've done

15:42

their baby first aid courses

15:44

and have those kinds of qualifications and have

15:46

a lot of experience looking after Children. They

15:49

don't want to be casual babysitters.

15:51

They are in demand for full

15:54

time work. They might work in daycare centers

15:56

and childcare centers. And so

15:59

you kind of got to take what

16:01

you can get has been my

16:03

experience when I was looking for babysitters.

16:06

I mean, obviously, if people live close, the

16:08

advantage is that you don't have to drive them home

16:11

because that is really difficult. The

16:13

point of going out is you might have had a couple of drinks

16:15

and the worst is when you get home

16:17

and then you've got to go all the way back out again and

16:19

drive someone home. But also

16:22

every parent tries to have a little

16:24

roster of people. The good thing

16:26

about young teenagers is that they can't go anywhere.

16:29

So it's not like they've got a social life

16:31

so they're more likely to be free. Whereas,

16:34

yeah, you sort of gotta not take what you

16:36

can get. But there's a reason why I

16:38

agree with you. Holly, that if we disqualify

16:40

all middle aged teenagers

16:43

from babysitting the slim pickens,

16:46

we're all stuck at home. Hello,

16:49

babysitters Club, Saturday afternoon.

16:51

We'll get right back to you. The

16:56

weekend is almost upon us. So we are

16:58

setting you up with a list

17:00

of recommendations for you. Enjoy. We are gonna

17:03

start Holly and I are basic

17:05

bitches and we decided this week that

17:07

we would watch our Oscars movies.

17:09

We share them out and then tell

17:11

each other whether they should say it. Mia You can't sit through

17:13

a movie. We can't. Um, I saw

17:16

Anatomy of a fall. I need you to be

17:18

priest. Tell me everything.

17:21

Yes,

17:24

I don't know what happened. I think you fell off the third floor.

17:26

The windows opened, the

17:30

autopsy report is inconclusive. An

17:33

accidental fault is gonna be hard for us to

17:35

defend. That's

17:37

why there's an investigation for

17:40

a more suspicious death because

17:42

you were the only person there and

17:46

of course you're his wife.

17:49

Stop. I did not

17:51

kill him. That's not the point. It

17:54

won the Academy Award for that one with the dog

17:56

original screenplay. Yes, it was the

17:58

dog that was clapping through the award. Why can't I stream

18:00

it? I saw it at the movies but

18:02

it is currently on prime video. I think you've

18:04

got to pay to watch it. Oh, my goodness.

18:06

It is so, so good. It is a French legal

18:09

drama. So it takes place in a French

18:11

courtroom which was very interesting because it's completely different

18:13

to a British or American. The whole system is different

18:15

the way they cross examine people,

18:18

everything. But this is a premise. So

18:20

main character is Sandra. This is confusing

18:22

because her real name is also Sandra, but she's

18:24

a novelist. It begins with this

18:26

bizarre opening scene where she is being

18:28

interviewed by a journalist, but the journalist

18:31

can't hear her. She's in her home because her

18:33

husband is playing music really loudly

18:35

upstairs as though he kind of doesn't want the interview to

18:37

happen. And then her

18:39

son who is partially blind, he's about 12,

18:41

goes for a walk around the block. The journalist has

18:44

left and by the time he gets back

18:46

to the home, his father

18:49

has seemingly fallen from

18:51

the third story of the house. And is laying

18:53

dead out the front. And

18:55

so you wonder if the mother had

18:57

anything to do with it, how he ended up like

18:59

that. And then audio is released

19:02

of a fight that had the day before. So

19:04

a lot of it, no, it's actually

19:06

in English, a lot of it is in English, they speak English

19:08

to each other at home. But parts

19:10

are in French and subtitle. But the best

19:13

scene which Holly you will love is

19:15

this scene of the fight

19:17

that they kind of replay, which

19:19

is about marriage,

19:21

mental load, parenting and

19:24

time. And it's about whether

19:26

when you wanna do something, you're stealing

19:28

time from the other person. And it's

19:30

this inversion of gender roles because she's

19:33

wanting to write and he wants to write and every time she's

19:35

writing, apparently he's stealing time from her.

19:38

It was one of the most perfect scenes

19:40

in a film I have ever seen. But do you mean if

19:42

she wants to write? She's stealing

19:45

time from him because he has to look

19:47

after the child? Yes. Right. Can

19:49

you blame your partner for all the things you never

19:51

did? Because they didn't, what

19:53

present you with the time? So

19:55

just the idea was of time was amazing.

19:58

And is it set in like modern day, like

20:01

in France? And it's happened in this

20:03

sort of chalet? So

20:05

Sandra Hula who is in

20:07

anatomy, a fall is also in

20:10

zone of interest. So she's been nominated

20:12

for best actress in two films this year.

20:14

We haven't seen that yet. That's this weekend, that's,

20:16

this weekend we'll watch zone of interest. So,

20:19

oh, my goodness. You must watch it. It is brilliant.

20:21

You would love it. You love it. So then does it follow the

20:23

court case? It follows the court case and it's all

20:26

about guilt and innocence and

20:28

it all ends up 12 year old

20:30

boy. What did he see? What didn't he see? Moral

20:32

dilemma? Oh, nice.

20:34

Love it. All right. So I watched American

20:36

fiction which won the best

20:38

Oscar for best adapted screenplay,

20:42

Monk. Your books are good but they're not

20:44

popular editors. They

20:47

want a black book. They have a black book.

20:49

I'm black and it's my book. You

20:51

know what I mean? Look

20:54

at what they publish, look at what they expect

20:56

us to write. I just want

20:58

to rub their noses in it. I'd

21:01

be standing outside in the night.

21:03

Dead beat dads, rappers crack.

21:05

You said you wanted black stuff? That's black,

21:07

right? I see what you're doing. It's

21:10

so good. It's about

21:12

a writer. I wonder why so many movies about writers? I can't

21:14

imagine it because writers write them and etcetera.

21:17

Anyway, the guy who won the Oscar,

21:20

he wrote it, he directed it. He was one of the producers,

21:22

he's called C Jefferson, right?

21:24

And it's based on a book. But the premise

21:26

of it is there is a writer.

21:29

He is played by Jeffrey wright. You've seen him

21:31

in lots of things. When you see him, you'll be like that guy.

21:34

He is a writer and an academic,

21:36

a black writer and academic. Right?

21:38

And his books are kind of well respected

21:40

but not very successful. And his agent

21:43

keeps giving him the feedback. They

21:45

want a black book and he's

21:47

like, well, I'm black and it's my book.

21:49

So it is a black book and they're like, no,

21:52

they want a black book and what he means

21:54

is and what the main character

21:56

who's called Monk. His nickname is Monk discovers.

21:59

And what frustrates him enormously about

22:01

culture is that everybody's saying they want a black

22:03

book, but they want a very specific kind

22:06

of black book. They want a black book about the

22:08

ghetto and about, you know, drug

22:10

dealers and moms and somebody

22:12

gets shot and all that stuff, that's what they want. And he

22:15

is tormented by this woman

22:17

who's played by Sa ra who

22:19

um is at the top of the charts at the minute because

22:21

she's written that kind of a book and

22:26

comedy and he's an academic and he comes from a middle

22:29

class family and the subplot is all about

22:31

his family and it's really, really interesting

22:33

in itself. But anyway, so in a fit

22:35

of rage one day, he writes

22:37

the stereotypical parody

22:40

book and he sends it to his agent and he's like, see

22:42

if those fuckers will publish this. And he's

22:44

kind of joking but of course,

22:46

I love it. He gets like a $4

22:48

million movie deal and all this and he hates

22:50

it and he's so tormented and he tries to get them to

22:53

unpublished it by. He poses that he's

22:55

like, not really a middle class black

22:57

academic, but he's a guy, a fugitive

23:00

on the run and all this stuff and he's

23:02

talking to the publishers and he's, he's saying, you

23:04

know what? I want to change the title. I just want to call it fuck.

23:08

And he's like, that'll stop him. And then they're like,

23:10

that's great. It's

23:13

just so funny. It's so clever.

23:15

It's so great. It says a lot. But without

23:17

it being like a film, there's such a good bit

23:19

in it where he ends up

23:21

on a panel of literary

23:23

awards and he, and this array

23:25

are the only two black writer on

23:28

it. And this fake book that

23:30

he's written is, is nominated and all

23:32

the white people on the panel want to vote for it. And

23:34

both him and Issa's character are like, but it's shit

23:37

and they just keep saying, but it's so important.

23:39

We listen to African American voices

23:41

and the two African American people on

23:43

the panel are like, yeah,

23:46

it's so funny. It's so clever.

23:48

It's short, it's brilliant. It's called American

23:50

Fiction and it's real, real. Where can

23:52

I watch that? That's on Amazon Prime video.

23:55

It's really good. The Family subplot

23:57

is also great. That's that for me, got

23:59

something to read in between

24:01

watching your movies, maybe an interval. It

24:03

is a story that went viral a couple of

24:05

weeks ago from New York magazine

24:08

and it's called How I got scammed

24:10

out of $50,000. Now,

24:13

I would normally not read this story

24:15

but quite a few people that I follow

24:17

recommended it. It's

24:20

subtitled the day I put

24:22

$50,000 in a shoe box

24:24

and handed it to a stranger. I never thought

24:26

I was the kind of person to fall

24:28

for a scam. It's written

24:30

by a woman called Charlotte Cows

24:32

and she is actually

24:35

a financial journalist. She

24:37

starts this piece about how she fell victim

24:39

to this scam by writing when I've

24:41

told people this story, most of them say the

24:43

same thing. You don't seem like the type of person

24:46

this would happen to what they mean is

24:48

I'm not senile or hysterical

24:50

or a rube. But these stereotypes are

24:52

actually false. Younger adults. Gen

24:54

Z millennials and Gen X are

24:56

34% more likely to report

24:58

losing money to fraud compared

25:01

with those over 60. According to a recent

25:03

report from the Federal Trade Commission in the US.

25:05

Another study found that well educated people

25:07

or those with good jobs were just as vulnerable

25:10

to scams as everyone else. What's

25:12

amazing about this story is that it's

25:14

this woman. She lives in an apartment

25:17

in New York. She's a freelance writer.

25:19

She's got a number of good jobs. She's actually a finance

25:21

writer for New York magazine and

25:23

she's got a young son and

25:26

a husband and her

25:29

day starts with a phone

25:31

call and it's basically

25:34

someone who claims to be from

25:36

some official government agency saying

25:38

that her bank details have been compromised.

25:41

She actually starts the piece by saying

25:44

after she said the stuff about, she doesn't seem like

25:46

the person who would be sucked in by a scam.

25:49

She says I'm standing outside

25:51

my house with $50,000

25:53

of my savings in cash, which

25:56

I have withdrawn from the bank and they're in the shoe

25:58

box. A car drives down

26:00

the street, the window winds

26:02

down. I can't really see who's in the back seat.

26:04

I thrust it at the person and

26:06

say, please don't let them

26:08

hurt my family and

26:10

the car drives off and of course, she never

26:12

sees the money again and none of this is a spoiler because

26:15

she says this at the beginning. But she got

26:17

that first phone call like in

26:19

the morning and that was late in the afternoon

26:23

and you go the screenplay waiting

26:25

to happen. Well, it would be pretty boring

26:27

because she's mostly just on the phone but on

26:29

a computer. But you say how

26:31

on earth could that happen? You must be such

26:33

an idiot. And then she talks

26:36

about what happens through the day and

26:38

how this scam works. You

26:40

know, some of the things that they use are

26:43

really well proven techniques about brainwashing

26:46

and, you know, like keeping someone on the phone,

26:48

confusing them. Um By

26:50

the end of the article, were you like, I would have done

26:52

the same. Well, yes, I could see. And

26:55

then there are points where her husband's like, hey, are

26:57

you? Ok. And she's like, I'm fine and

26:59

then she talks about the shame of

27:01

the fact that she did that and,

27:04

and how she didn't even want to write

27:06

this piece because who will ever employ her again?

27:08

Because it makes her seem like such an idiot.

27:11

It was completely fascinating because you

27:13

start by going never. And at the end

27:15

you're like there. But for the grace of God go, I,

27:17

these people are so, so so

27:19

clever. We will

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27:56

It's time for our best

27:58

and worst moments where we reflect.

28:00

Sorry, I just burped back on the week.

28:02

That was my worst.

28:06

I've started back on no filter.

28:08

I took a season off, Kate Langbroek was

28:10

hosting the summer season. Loved that, loved

28:12

having a break from the show. I'm back.

28:15

I'm reinvigorated. My first episode drops

28:17

on Monday. Sometimes

28:19

you have to, I have to do two or three interviews in a week.

28:21

I did two interviews actually in one day because

28:24

when you're interviewing people, you have

28:26

to just take when they're available. And

28:28

also I do a lot of remote interviews, which

28:30

is great because it means that I can interview people from all

28:32

over the world. So I did two remote interviews

28:35

in the same day. The first

28:37

I had to interrupt the interview after about

28:39

five or 10 minutes because the woman was wearing dangly

28:42

earrings. It was this noise and I couldn't work out what

28:44

it was. And I'm like, are you wearing bracelets? And she

28:46

said no. And then I was like,

28:48

oh, it's your earrings and they were like banging

28:51

and then she was doing something with a pencil case. Anyway,

28:53

the second interview that I did a woman had

28:55

just got home. It was in the US. She

28:57

just got home from work and picked up her dog from doggy

28:59

daycare and the dog,

29:02

it was this big golden retriever and it just

29:04

kept interrupting the interview. First,

29:06

it was whining. Then she gave it a bone,

29:08

then it was chewing the bone really noisily. Then she's

29:10

like, I'm so sorry, I'll put it in the crate. Then she put it in the crate.

29:13

Didn't like being in the crate my dog has

29:15

been, that took it out of the crate, then it got

29:17

a ball and it kept bouncing the all on the floor.

29:19

Then she put it back in the crate. I reckon we

29:21

had to start and stop the interview maybe six

29:23

or seven times. Remember when home life did not

29:26

interfere with work life back in the day

29:28

these days. So I'm so out

29:30

of practice. I'm so not much fit for doing this.

29:32

But now we've, I've reminded my producer

29:34

and I have started this list. So we're like, if

29:36

you've got a pet, it needs to be put away, preferably

29:39

medicated. If you are wearing jewelry,

29:41

please take it off. If you have anything

29:43

in the desk in front of you, please remove it

29:45

anyway. So that was my worst. My

29:48

best is that I got to sing.

29:50

I got to sing and I got a dress

29:53

fitting this week. Tickets go on sale today

29:55

for Mamma Mia Out Loud Live

29:57

presented by Nivea Cellular. This

30:00

week we've had dress fittings, which

30:02

has been my dream. It's been so fun and also recording

30:05

for a special little treat

30:07

that we've got. People have never seen

30:09

Mia in what she

30:11

is gonna be. I can't get over one

30:13

of your costumes. It's so ridiculous. You've never looked

30:15

so happy. I went running around the office. I was

30:18

so thrilled and then we got to actually record

30:20

like in a proper way in a proper studio.

30:23

Like standing up like it was

30:25

great. It was great. It was

30:27

my best. I was like Taylor a lot.

30:30

Like Taylor. My worst

30:33

is that I, I've been having this awful

30:35

back pain which anyone with a little, like a crawling

30:38

baby will know that this is not a good time

30:40

to be a person at the back. But

30:42

I've always had this issue like this left

30:44

disc, you know, y you slip a disk

30:47

or whatever and I did it years and years ago and it's, I

30:49

got to the point the other week where I was like, it's

30:51

gonna go and I'm gonna be one of those people that can't

30:53

move for two weeks. I better go get this checked out. Anyway,

30:56

I ended up having to get a whole X ray and everything

30:58

and they do this thing where they can draw

31:01

a line up your body where your spine should be

31:03

right? But they draw it up and by the

31:05

time it gets to my head, it's my ear.

31:07

Like that's how out of alignment

31:10

I am. And it was so interesting.

31:12

I saw this Cairo who said he was like,

31:14

look at your T shirt and he showed me the way

31:16

that my T shirt was sitting. And he said, if

31:19

you look at all your photos, your T shirt will be sitting

31:21

funny because one shoulder is so much higher

31:23

than the other shoulder. And he said, even the

31:25

waistband on what I was wearing will always be

31:27

down at the front because I've got this pelvic

31:29

tilt. Is this got anything to do with breaking

31:31

your leg? It's got something to do with breaking my

31:34

leg plus a pregnancy. But plus

31:36

your pelvic, your pelvis. So

31:38

he got me to stand on this scale

31:40

where they work out how much weight's coming from each leg.

31:43

And my left is taking like 4 kg more

31:45

because I've learned to walk in a way that my

31:47

right leg doesn't hurt and it's pushed

31:49

my whole back out and it's just

31:52

I am in so much discomfort.

31:55

And I said to you and you can't get away from it

31:57

when it's your back. You're never sitting

32:00

right. And um, since

32:02

I've had a baby, I've not been able to one night sleep

32:04

on my side, I've got to sleep on my back because

32:06

my hips are sore. Anyway. I feel

32:08

relieved that when they fix it. That's my

32:10

question. I think so. He thinks so. I'm

32:12

glad that he sent me for this X ray because something I've just

32:14

been a bit worried about. So he's going to

32:16

do a bunch of, you know, crazy. Did he say

32:18

your disc could fall out? He gave

32:21

me some tips to make sure it won't. But

32:23

what's hard is that, what would help is if I wasn't

32:25

picking up 8 kg 300

32:27

times a day, but that's not

32:29

really working for me. My best.

32:32

Look, you heard us a few weeks

32:34

ago talk about color seasons.

32:36

I got madly obsessed. You

32:38

won't believe it. But I was wrong. I diagnosed

32:41

some of us wrongly and this incredible,

32:44

what's the color season? Not everybody

32:46

is as deep down this role as a

32:48

color season is basically everyone fits into

32:50

one of the seasons and it's about your

32:53

skin, hair and eye color and what

32:55

colors suit you best. You

32:57

should wear them. And it includes jewelry and

32:59

makeup and all the things. Firm rules. It gives

33:01

you rules and I love rules. I'm obsessed with rules. So

33:03

we had Kim Crowley come in. She is an expert

33:06

and she schooled us a three.

33:08

We got so, so deep and

33:10

she told us what made us look awful. I want

33:12

to talk about. She told us what makes us look beautiful and Mia

33:15

loved when she told us what made us look awful

33:17

because Mia kept saying you do look disgusting.

33:19

Yes. Yes.

33:23

I thought you're horrible in that color. We've

33:25

got her coming up in an upcoming episode

33:27

if you want to learn everything about it. I

33:29

just, oh, it's so fun. I went shopping. Life

33:31

changing. Holly. What you two are so

33:34

invigorated by their colors. Ok.

33:36

My worst is that in

33:38

a bid to remember things because my

33:40

memory is full of holes. I think it's menopause. I

33:42

think it's life. I think it's whatever. I'm

33:44

always taking notes on my phone. Right. I'm

33:47

sure I do that either in my notes app

33:49

or in my Slack. That's what I do. We

33:51

use this internal messaging system called Slack

33:53

and you can send yourself messages all the time. And

33:55

because I'm on there a lot for work, it's a good place

33:57

to put my notes. Because if I put them in my notes

33:59

app, I often don't remember to look in my notes

34:02

app or I don't remember what I should be searching

34:04

for my notes app of writing

34:06

it on your hand. The problem is because

34:08

my memory's so rubbish that then I scroll

34:10

through my slack and there are just all these random

34:12

words. I was looking

34:14

today and it just said girls on the bus

34:17

in capitals, all caps girls on the

34:19

bus. I was like, what

34:21

girls on what bus I'm like, is that something

34:23

to do with some girls being mean to Matilda on

34:26

the bus or that? And

34:28

then it's a TV show that I'm meant to be

34:30

watching. And then I'd written Lorn

34:33

Dike in. I

34:35

was like, is that somebody's

34:37

name? But actually I've gone

34:39

down like a native lawn rabbit hole

34:42

and it's about a seed called Di Chondra.

34:44

Like I just, and then I 75

34:47

H in big letters. I'm like, what,

34:49

75 H and

34:52

I was like, what I'm meant to be sitting on

34:54

at a concert. I

35:00

still don't know what that was about. Holly.

35:02

I think it's a Sagittarius thing. Because I was saying

35:04

that I was going through mine and mindset in capital

35:06

letters 27th. And it was

35:08

clear that something is happening on the 27th.

35:11

That's important to me. And then,

35:13

and then what you do is you check your, all your messages.

35:15

I was searching my phone couldn't find

35:17

it anywhere. But clearly I was like, you

35:19

need to put this in a diary somewhere. But what

35:21

diary and where am I going? It's a mess.

35:25

This is my worst. My life is

35:27

a mess. My best related to

35:29

what we were talking about on Tuesday. I spent

35:31

the morning in a dance rehearsal.

35:34

Oh my God. Our lives have become so weird

35:36

for this period, like in a proper

35:38

studio with like mirrors and, and a proper

35:40

choreographer. Not just me telling you I just stepped

35:43

up at home. Of course,

35:45

I didn't all about it. I couldn't find when

35:47

I got there and she had you watched

35:49

the video. I was like

35:51

searching my notes

35:54

that 75

35:57

8 probably had something to do with it. Anybody

35:59

knows the thing is though is it

36:01

wasn't like whether it was good or not,

36:03

but dancing around for an hour

36:05

made me so happy. I came

36:08

into the office afterwards and I was like high

36:10

on this happy vibe and I just thought,

36:13

well, obviously there's the exercise endorphin

36:15

thing and there's the music, but it's like

36:17

doing something different that you don't normally

36:20

do it was just so fun and it made

36:22

me think. I haven't done any of those dance workouts

36:24

that are in the move up. They're my favorite ones to

36:26

do. And I was like, I should do them because

36:28

I used to do that MK Fit dance workout

36:30

and I used to love it. But I've kind of, you know, when you just forget

36:33

about something and then I was dancing around

36:35

the studio. A right idiot. It's gonna be

36:37

very amusing. Do you know funny story?

36:39

You were the inspiration for those dance workouts

36:41

on move because do you remember when you went through that phase?

36:44

I don't know if it was during COVID but you were doing dance

36:46

workouts on youtube in the Yeah.

36:48

So we've got actually the choreographer

36:50

who we're using does the dance workouts

36:53

on move. And that was because of what

36:55

you were doing, which is I that I've forgotten

36:57

all about them. I should have written it in the back of your

36:59

hand. I should, I have a friend who's very

37:01

much wants to be head of the culture and

37:03

she says that everyone's going to be doing dance classes

37:06

in five minutes. She thinks it's the next frontier

37:08

of exercise. There's all this research that has

37:10

come out about fun. It's fun.

37:12

It makes you feel good, mental health, body

37:15

cardio, all of that. But it has the thing for

37:17

it to be fun. And this is why I used to love those

37:19

ones I did in the garage is it

37:21

shouldn't matter whether you're good or not because

37:23

obviously some people are better dancers than others

37:25

and some can, are more flexible and some can point their

37:27

toes and some can kick their legs high. Like

37:29

if you take all that out of it, it's

37:32

just the moving and the music and the fun.

37:34

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38:09

don't need to do it. No, I hate snow,

38:11

snow's cold, it's wet,

38:14

it makes you cold and wet that

38:16

people don't talk about that enough. Not

38:19

everybody looks like Victoria Beckham in her

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Chanel ski suit, hike

38:23

a mountain. When I last hiked a mountain.

38:25

I broke my leg and I got stuck at the top of the mountain. I

38:27

would say getting rid of

38:29

all my pubes. Same. Don't

38:31

do that again. Did that one time with waxing

38:34

many years ago, didn't like it. The

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funniest part is that at the top of all our list

38:39

was the same thing and there was some concern

38:42

that we could not broadcast that thing, but

38:44

we are, we have

38:51

to have a warning at the beginning. There

38:53

is a link to that episode in the show notes.

38:55

That is so funny. It's true. We all just looked

38:58

at each other and went. Oh, you too. Oh

39:01

dear. Ok. That is all we've got time for

39:03

today and this week on Mamma Mia out

39:05

loud. Thank you for being with us. Hopefully

39:07

right now you are holding well, not your tickets.

39:10

Cos that would be weird. The thing that says

39:12

that you're coming to see us on

39:14

our first shows. Let's hope

39:16

that's the case. Thank you for listening to Australia's

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number one news and pop culture show. The episode was produced

39:21

by Emmeline Gilles. The assistant producer is Charlie

39:23

Blackmon with audio production by

39:25

Leah Pies. We'll see you next week.

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