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1:28

Unfortunately, for him, yes. I think that's six separate layoffs he's had

1:31

this season. Of

1:57

course, he was missing for the Liverpool game.

2:00

last week and when

2:03

you're given such a count

2:05

when he gave that candid interview to

2:07

Lekit recently it was last week wasn't

2:09

it about the damage that he's done

2:11

to his body and he's telling

2:13

his seven-year-old son who plays football

2:15

not to head the ball because

2:17

of concerns about dementia

2:20

and suffering later on

2:22

in life from from a more

2:25

suppose not

2:28

sink was the wrong word but if

2:30

you're looking at the whole issue of

2:32

the contract situation it's not exactly you

2:34

know a strong bargaining hand that

2:37

he's got there and I think

2:39

it's the way it's panning

2:42

out it will probably lead to him

2:44

leaving in the summer which would

2:47

be a pity but it would be logical

2:49

as well because he has had a lot

2:51

of injuries he has been very brittle he's

2:53

probably not missed as many games as a

2:56

thought he would I think he's played some

2:58

like 93 times for United and that's out

3:01

of a possible 150 for 150 all

3:03

games until the Brentford game he'd gone quite a

3:08

long time without getting injured I think he

3:10

hadn't been injured since since

3:13

early December it might have been and that

3:16

I think that absence even might have

3:18

been through illness against Chelsea I can't

3:20

remember the set there were there

3:22

were a number of times earlier in the season where Fran was missing

3:25

games and it was either some

3:27

like sore back or illness or

3:30

not fully fit that was the rationale for

3:32

him not playing against Brentford back in in

3:35

October so he's he's actually

3:37

avoided really significant injuries until

3:39

this one now and

3:42

it just you know the way

3:44

the way it's happened it doesn't reflect

3:47

particularly well on on 10 Hargall the

3:49

medical staff because he came off

3:51

at halftime against Brentford he left the stadium

3:53

he told you that it wasn't too bad

3:55

I think immediately we probably both thought That

3:58

he would play against Chelsea. See, I

4:00

did a story on the Wednesday morning

4:02

and of Chelsea game that he was

4:04

confident of impulse fit for it. He

4:06

was of course and then he only

4:08

last for five minutes and and he

4:11

probably should have come off sooner. We

4:13

we both saw her in the choir

4:15

urging the the dugouts her to replace

4:17

him. We saw Gary address in conversation

4:19

with Mitchell been the gog and they

4:21

waited until half time. Jonny Evans came

4:23

on and on. Evans's as it is

4:25

one of the season in in the

4:27

big games was doing really really well

4:29

and dumb. Unbeknownst. Was for me so will

4:31

he come while the com know we thought

4:33

that was gonna pay for maybe a month

4:35

soccer who is are think this. Will.

4:38

Gingerly at one point or my bills

4:40

a fan of have invented that's But

4:42

when it was Evans's number that came

4:44

up think we will surprise because he

4:47

didn't seem obviously injured. But when you

4:49

I'm. When. You play as

4:51

often as relatively often as he has.

4:53

this season he was only signs of

4:55

fistulas centre half and you that you've

4:57

got the injury issues that he had

5:00

last season at Leicester you are liable

5:02

to to breaking down and cc thirty

5:04

six. It's not a surprise that Jonny

5:06

Evans is breaking down as often as

5:08

he is. He said six rows and

5:10

also made his career debut in two

5:12

thousand and seven of think it would

5:15

have been two thousand and six or

5:17

seven that some that sunderland during that

5:19

that first loan. Spell. He's played a

5:21

lot of football and see at injury issues

5:23

last season and I think he still been

5:25

one of Unites best players the season. But.

5:28

Unfortunately he's a started to get

5:31

the were in savvy starting to

5:33

show really crucial point in campaign.

5:36

With the running and it's it's

5:38

ironic I suppose that Are Mcguire

5:40

a defender. Very nice. we prepared

5:42

to sell and the summer is

5:44

the only fit. Hands. Senior

5:47

center half and the other

5:49

available spent half his will

5:52

come Walla who until this

5:54

season. Which is beset with

5:56

injuries during his time at United, and

5:58

it's to his immense credit. The

6:00

he stayed there. And. He's

6:02

got an opportunity now to really be

6:05

established himself in the squad. He's a

6:07

stayed in the squad so good for

6:09

five months now but now a challenge

6:12

for him is to ensure that he

6:14

stays in the nice squad for the

6:16

next for five years. Really? because it's

6:18

is a great opportunity for him with

6:21

to send Toffs possibly to senior center

6:23

house possibly leaving in the summer. Nothing

6:25

can would be logical like ours. Go

6:27

it's It's a fluid situation with around

6:30

in Athens because of their. Ages because

6:32

is not going to be. Much. Demand

6:34

for either In the summer and particularly

6:36

in his case that this is gonna

6:39

be he you nice will be his

6:41

last club she's got a chance to

6:43

to bookend his career with Manchester United.

6:45

He's already taken the and if if

6:48

he does retired the summer them. But.

6:51

Was one exceptional career. He's had a

6:53

It United and unless it must have

6:55

been to a lesser extent West Brom.

6:58

On. That the euros with with

7:00

Northern Ireland. but it's it's It's

7:02

certainly never in some of that

7:04

United are going to need at

7:07

least at least one central defensive

7:09

signing and with the managerial situation

7:11

as well things things can change:

7:14

Michael Carrick when when he was

7:16

approached and that that the final

7:18

months his contract to and sixteen

7:20

he was. He. Was

7:23

asked to see Louis Van Gaal in the

7:25

morning that unites for plane at West Ham

7:27

in the last game at the ground and

7:29

he was told by by live on all

7:31

that he would begin a new contracts and

7:33

this was would still three more games to

7:35

play that season and one of them was

7:37

Ness I cup final. Two days off the

7:39

half a cup final Louis van Gaal was

7:41

officially sides if know it been in the

7:43

post for quite some time and one have

7:45

chosen Munoz first acts as much nice man

7:47

she was to sign off on a new

7:49

one year contract for Michael Carrick who did

7:51

very well during. Pony Night.

7:53

It's best period of football and marine

7:55

you're in that first season so things

7:57

things can change and as you say,

8:00

The. Only two weeks ago with have

8:02

been looking for around and looking at

8:04

Athens. Provided I was

8:07

sitting thinking good if if it can

8:09

be arranged, it's worth keeping them on

8:11

next season because you don't want to

8:13

much up a full in certain areas

8:15

of the squad. The.

8:18

Things. Have changed since since at the

8:20

moment you'd say there's probably a it's

8:23

I. I'd be pretty flabbergasted. both of

8:25

them. The still at the club next

8:27

season a thing as an off chance

8:29

that athens my paper and. With

8:32

with Iran I just can't see it. I

8:35

think it's it's a shame is Johnny of, and such

8:37

love argued all season nice for be worth a contract

8:39

extension just will more. Because. He's been able

8:42

a mostly keep a clean bill of health. books

8:44

began to the spring three now he has come

8:46

to see different problems which has been a shoe

8:48

string but to that at the two more giving

8:50

and Spain in September was brilliant. He for before

8:52

that was gonna be the high point of his

8:55

time. The and eight the season yes is continue

8:57

to impress. He continued to deliver when he's been

8:59

called upon am so it's unfortunate these pics of

9:01

these problems as with which the law part the

9:03

seasons come back to to run than some girl

9:05

if he doesn't place the rest is that the

9:08

campaign money is ruled out for injury he would

9:10

have averaged or nineteen. Premier league starts over

9:12

his last fried as mean that's just free

9:14

not enough I think to lie hopes and

9:16

do things are expected from when your eye

9:18

for Real Madrid noticed he arrived very clever

9:20

and see the a made in his the

9:22

impact you could see the kind of clary

9:24

was you compare to kind of a Rolls

9:27

Royce defender but how would you assess his

9:29

for yes in Manchester because then the day

9:31

when he does leave or delete this summer

9:33

is only gonna leave for the the cargo.

9:37

Not a surly they could when they as a

9:39

cop and he's he's been ruled out for few

9:41

weeks at is every chance that he'll be back.

9:44

Further, The Polish game at at

9:47

the earliest nothing that says as such

9:49

three weeks on Monday and as I

9:51

got games after that the chances are

9:53

they will be. either

9:55

they will reach their say cup final know

9:57

it's not as interlocking on sons of probably

10:00

feeling not quite as optimistic as they were

10:02

when the draw was made given how the

10:05

draw was made

10:07

in the Liverpool game. So how could you

10:09

not be confident after that? But

10:11

there's still a chance that if

10:13

Iran is fit and you

10:15

would hope he would be, then he

10:17

has to start the FA Cup final.

10:20

And it'll be interesting to see if

10:22

they do get to the Cup final,

10:24

how the defence will

10:26

look because Maguire is, provided

10:30

he doesn't become on the

10:32

latest flies to drop, he's well poised to have probably

10:35

his best preparation for a major

10:37

international tournament

10:41

ever really, in that he could be starting

10:44

in a Manchester United running. And there's

10:48

no debate over his place at England

10:50

level. But what do you do with

10:52

Martinez? What do you do with Varan? Because

10:55

those two, the way United are talking about

10:57

it, they still expect them to play again

10:59

this season. They've not been ruled out for

11:02

the season. The same applies to

11:04

Lindelof as well, although I don't think there would be

11:06

as much of a climber to get him back into

11:08

the starting side. And in

11:11

terms of Iran's time at United, I mean, he's

11:13

still got time to, yeah, to

11:17

crown it with or to add

11:19

a bit of gloss to it if it's all possible. I

11:23

think if we were to go off that, that

11:25

Gary Neville traffic light system that

11:28

he, he did at the start

11:30

of last season in terms of where you drank the

11:32

signings, I probably put him in the amber in

11:35

that they didn't, I don't think

11:37

they ever paid for him. I think the fee

11:39

was some like 42 million pounds. I

11:42

don't think anybody really queried that as a

11:44

signing at the time either. I know that

11:46

the whole, there's the film that

11:48

if Real Madrid wants to sell a player,

11:51

you're mugs for taking that player off them.

11:54

But When United signed for and he

11:56

was a world-class center half and on his day, I

11:58

still think he is a world. Klaus and back

12:00

east is been one of the best defenders

12:02

in the world over at that as a

12:04

ten year period probably longer than that when

12:06

he joined Round the Drayton's when she Loves

12:08

and then it's not like he just. Get.

12:11

The first season was work he spends

12:13

for him he was playing prominently in

12:15

that settling first couple of to for

12:17

years that there was an element of

12:19

of rotation every now and because he

12:21

had such a Ramos and Pep A

12:24

as well and supply alongside the heat.

12:26

It's. If he starts in the Champions League

12:28

final and twenty fourteen and the he played

12:30

hell of a Law and the In in

12:32

the years leading up to that for around

12:34

Madrid. Hey it

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12:52

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13:06

I don't I did that. that's when

13:09

the sun so I'm sure some people

13:11

they'll be big revisionism be wanted. I

13:13

saw any why they go for him.

13:15

it made complete sense of the time

13:18

they needed. A world class sends a

13:20

pot and unfortunately for United don't hit

13:22

hit for England's United he's is silly

13:24

become cause injury prone. There was there

13:27

was knee injury that was five during

13:29

the medical things. That they. Keep

13:31

up to Twenty thirteen! He was

13:33

not a particularly injury prone player

13:36

at Round Madrid and know I

13:38

was Marrow and Freddie Caldera who

13:40

the people will have. Seen.

13:43

i'm sure across his to knows he's

13:45

a brazilian report who lives in months

13:47

now and these these corporate citizenship as

13:49

well friday so well as a thing

13:51

he he deserves congratulations for lot as

13:53

well think he's got more than happy

13:55

to stay here but he he has

13:57

a very good relationship with the brazilian

13:59

players and he's an absolute

14:01

authority on them as well. And he said

14:03

Casamiro never had a muscular injury at Real

14:05

Madrid. This season he

14:07

has had a big

14:09

problem with his hamstring. So

14:13

although it doesn't look great that

14:15

United have spent over

14:17

a hundred million pounds

14:20

on two 30-something Real

14:22

Madrid players who'd won everything in Spain and

14:24

won everything with Real Madrid and had had

14:26

their last hurrah, whether it was Champions League

14:28

final or or

14:31

doing something else, those

14:34

signings, those players have come

14:36

to Manchester United and they've

14:39

become more injury prone. And I know

14:41

the demands of the Premier League are

14:43

far more intense than La Liga, but

14:45

it's another... there are two more examples

14:47

of why United need to do...

14:50

need an overhaul of the medical department

14:52

because something's not right in the water.

14:55

Carrington, it's pretty clear you only have to look

14:57

at the injury record this season. And

15:00

it's interesting with Kamwala who,

15:02

of course, as I said,

15:04

for his first three years, he played up...

15:06

he played less than 40 games across

15:08

the junior teams. That's

15:12

18s, 19s reserves and

15:14

what have you. And he didn't

15:16

even play in the FA Youth Cup. So he's

15:18

a bit of a rarity in that he's an

15:20

academy graduate who never played in that competition, but

15:23

he stayed fit this season. And I've

15:26

done a feature on him for

15:28

Saturday morning and people at

15:30

the club told me that he does

15:33

a lot of injury prevention exercises.

15:36

And he's not the only one who's done that.

15:38

Diogo Dallo has embraced that

15:40

in recent years because he was very

15:42

injury prone in his first two or

15:44

three years at United. And in the

15:47

last three years, he has barely been

15:49

injured. He's one of the most robust

15:51

players at the club, possibly in Europe,

15:53

given that I think he's only missed something like eight

15:55

club games since the start of the 2021 season. There

16:01

are exceptions, there are freaks of nature

16:03

at United. Bruno Fernandez is another one

16:05

who we're all aware

16:07

that he's never missed a game through injury

16:09

and somehow Garnaccio has not got injured as

16:11

well this season, which is really

16:13

impressive for a winger. But

16:16

going back to Casimir and Varan, they didn't seem

16:18

to have many injury issues at Real Madrid. They've

16:21

gone to United and they've had

16:23

a number of injury issues and

16:25

it's, of course, had a detrimental

16:27

effect on United's season because those two

16:30

last season were excellent. I

16:32

thought Casimir was United's player of the year

16:34

last year. I thought Varan was possibly one

16:36

of the top five performers.

16:40

They were probably the best part of

16:42

ten players last season who were eight out of

16:44

ten and above United and he was certainly one

16:46

of them. And he had a

16:48

huge him coming back into the

16:51

team against Liverpool at the start of last season. When

16:53

the 10-Harg era, that

16:56

kick-started the 10-Harg era really and

16:58

it kick-started Lissandra Martinez's United career

17:01

as well. Martinez absolutely

17:03

loves playing with Varan but it's

17:05

an alliance that is

17:07

destined to be short-lived, unfortunately.

17:10

You never want to question a player's professionalism,

17:12

of course, but it's not a risk that toward

17:14

the end of the season, if Varan does come

17:16

back from his injury, is he going

17:18

to be putting his body to the absolute maximum,

17:20

maybe going for that 50-50 or a header? That

17:23

might be a risk when he's out of contract

17:25

in the summer and he will be leading the

17:27

new club. Is that not an element to consider? I

17:31

don't think so. He's a player

17:33

that, you look at the

17:35

way he's conducting himself throughout his career, his

17:37

character. I don't think there's a single issue

17:40

with his professionalism. The fact that he

17:42

played five days later at

17:44

Chelsea haven't come off at half-time against

17:46

Brentford and does he... He's

17:49

roughly right. I wasn't suggesting that there

17:51

was. You saw a few influences

17:53

across the last 20 years in the

17:55

Premier League. Michael Owen comes to

17:57

mind but he's definitely a different personality to roughly... over

18:00

around. I was making a comparison but

18:02

I just thought it was. With

18:13

Owen, that was, I

18:15

mean there's been a lot of to

18:18

and fro over that and of course when was

18:20

it when his book came out he had a

18:22

bit of a row with Alan Shearer who was

18:24

of course the Newcastle manager when they got relegated

18:28

in 2009 and look I found it embarrassing

18:32

at the time and I still think it is an

18:34

embarrassment that Manchester United signed Michael Owen. That

18:37

was the summer where he had

18:39

to release a digital brochure for

18:41

prospective clubs who might want to

18:43

sign him and the two clubs it seemed to be

18:46

most strongly linked with him initially were

18:48

Hull who had just stayed up

18:50

by the skin of their teeth with

18:53

Newcastle going down and Stoke

18:55

City who had just started to

18:58

pretty much establish themselves as a Premier League club.

19:00

I think that had just been their first season

19:02

in the Premier League. That's how low his stock

19:04

was but because he loves

19:07

horse racing and Sralix Ferguson loves

19:09

horse racing it seemed like that

19:11

he suited Manchester

19:14

United when

19:17

he should never have signed for Manchester United. I

19:19

mean I know he

19:21

scored that extraordinary Derby winner

19:23

deep into Fergie

19:26

time but yeah

19:30

as I said it was an embarrassment. There's definitely a few of very dumbbells

19:32

that I couldn't listen off the top of my head if you could give

19:34

us five minutes on Google I could pull some up but Michael Owen was

19:36

the first name that came out unfortunately. There

19:40

is one who is very close to home who

19:42

is also French who also plays Manchester United who

19:45

is also out of contract in the summer who

19:48

when the club said in January he

19:51

was going to be out for 10 weeks

19:53

it's now been 11 weeks and we've still not seen

19:56

him in team training and none of us are surprised

19:58

about it and that is absolutely incredible. and seeing

20:00

Marshall. So

20:02

I would question, I'd certainly question his professionalism. I'd

20:04

question him putting his body on the line for

20:06

United. But I don't think that

20:09

has ever been an issue with Rafal Varan.

20:11

I mean, I'm not related to Rafal Varan.

20:13

I have no friendship with him or anything

20:15

like that. It's not like I'm going

20:18

into battle defending a member

20:20

of the family. But just

20:23

the way he conducts himself over the course of

20:25

the year. Just to clarify as well, I watched

20:27

Blaine devil's advocate and just trying to raise a

20:29

point. We'll move on from that. There is obviously going

20:31

to be a sense of upheaval, Samuel. We

20:34

understand that they have got interest in Edmund,

20:36

Tapsoba and Jeremy Finnebrongham by a leather Christian,

20:38

two excellent players. And leather Christian

20:40

looks set to win the Bundesliga, of course. I've

20:42

had a fantastic season. They'll beat West Ham on

20:44

Thursday night, too. They'll near up the league. So

20:47

they could potentially make the final of that competition

20:49

as well. Two brilliant players there.

20:51

But two points to make, I think, from Pong

20:53

is excellent. Right back, he's played more of

20:56

a right wing back role this season. Often

20:58

found on the winging, bombing down that side.

21:01

So unless United are going to play five

21:03

at the back next year, it seems unlikely they're

21:05

going to move from Pong, in my opinion. In

21:07

Tapsoba, he would be brilliant at saying it, would

21:09

he not? And a potential one, considering the defensive

21:12

upheaval that we've discussed. Well,

21:16

they need an athletic centre half.

21:19

No two ways about it. I mean,

21:21

Martinez has been he's

21:23

become far too injury prone, but

21:26

he's been a success story and in

21:29

a way a surprise success story because

21:32

relatively diminutive centre halves, they don't normally have the

21:34

impact that he's had in the Premier League. But

21:36

one of the reasons why. Sounds like Jimmy Carragher

21:38

there. You know, well, when

21:40

Carragher said that, it was kind of like

21:42

when when Alan Hansen came out with his

21:46

criticism of United on the day in 1995. Most

21:48

you go back to it, what

21:51

he said at the time, most people agreed with

21:53

at the time. And it's easy for Fans

21:57

online to say, ha, ha, ha, look, look how wrong he

21:59

was. The

22:01

This. Is why Made About People

22:03

Given an opinion. Sometimes if you stick

22:05

your head above the parapet you will

22:08

get shot. The elise that person is

22:10

is offered an opinion. Though lot of

22:12

people are very afraid to offer an

22:14

opinion or just don't have the mental

22:16

capacity to offer an opinion and. Won

22:18

the race y mas as such a

22:21

big loss united is because he's as

22:23

much with an asset in attack is

22:25

is in defense his his distribution is

22:27

is excellent and he is very dominant

22:30

in jewels and and defensive sense. So.

22:33

It in terms of the the profile of

22:35

a premier league sends a half. He's He's

22:38

not what. Mostly. Clubs with

22:40

usually Tom for you look at

22:42

the to you look asleep and

22:44

Gabrielle Mckee is set at Arsenal.

22:46

you look to does assay and

22:48

or for foreigner whenever he is

22:50

fit Chelsea or to silver in

22:53

those bit agents those guys Van

22:55

Dyke is another one. With

22:58

ah the old are no value of doesn't play

23:00

at sense buckled Sun City Ruben Diaz you look

23:02

at them and though they all that lot they've

23:05

been Bill in the same lab. If you'd put

23:07

Martinez with them he would look like the odd

23:09

one out. And

23:11

that's why. Premier. League

23:13

clubs games that profile of defend. It's because

23:16

that is in order to win the Premier

23:18

League title. When's the last time. A

23:20

premier league winning side had is one

23:22

that made sense have someone who was

23:25

under six foot. Steve

23:27

Bruce possibly it is possibly go back

23:30

that far. I mean even when less

23:32

to wanna in twins sixteen the had

23:34

that jain said the by data was

23:37

Morgan and and Robert Huth think it

23:39

was. An. And

23:41

a know Robert Huth was not. It. Wasn't

23:43

particularly quake was such, but he

23:46

was extremely physical and there was

23:48

something imposing about him am. so

23:50

that's why family clubs go for that thought

23:53

profile of of defender and united do need

23:55

that profile of defend the because lindelof face

23:57

as we had the other weight when he

23:59

was 10-Harg made the

24:01

mistake of starting him against

24:03

Tony. Lindelof is not

24:06

quick, he's not dominant in the air, he's

24:08

not physical. Tony is quick, he's dominant in

24:10

the air and he is physical. So

24:13

I think we all knew who was going

24:15

to win that duel. And as you said,

24:18

throughout that game, Varan was bailing United out

24:20

a lot because he was having to, he

24:22

was their best player. As

24:25

they somehow managed to go in at halftime, Neil,

24:27

Neil. Harry Maguire

24:29

certainly, he's got the

24:31

physical stature, but he's not particularly quick.

24:34

And I don't think long term you look at him

24:36

and think that he's a starting

24:39

defender for Manchester United. He

24:42

has, he's started a lot of games

24:44

this season, but that's by virtue of Martinez

24:46

being unfit. Varan having injury

24:48

issues as well. There was that period where

24:50

Varan only started one game out of 13

24:53

when he was available for the majority of those

24:55

games. Johnny Evans is

24:58

36, he's never been particularly quick

25:00

anyway. And he was resigned

25:03

by United as fifth choice center half. So

25:06

I think it's advisable that

25:08

as much they would want to unearth

25:11

a defender who is not

25:14

necessarily one of the most prominent.

25:16

And Ratcliffe has alluded, of course,

25:19

to finding the next Killian

25:21

Mbappe. And you could apply that to defense

25:23

in terms of finding the next Virgil van

25:25

Dyke and that's, they've

25:27

got a scout smart there. And

25:30

again, going back to the

25:32

managerial situation, I know that

25:35

they don't want to be in a situation where it's

25:37

the manager dictating transfer policy, which has very

25:39

much been the case still with under 10

25:41

Harg, but where

25:44

you still don't know who the manager is

25:46

going to be next season. That, of course, that

25:48

has a bearing on targets and you're

25:50

not just going to say you're getting this player

25:52

and that player and the other player. Otherwise you going

25:55

back to the days of Tottenham

25:58

Just signing players under. Some teenage

26:00

under of the most ironic he by

26:03

been apocryphal but that was that. About

26:05

sums knee been introduced Michael Carrick, a

26:07

Knife Smith novel a clue who he

26:09

was which I'm would possibly account for

26:11

life as on to Be. Less

26:14

tottenham after I think he was in

26:16

September the October and us that some

26:18

nice family trivia for you anyway. Swallows

26:22

his loss because my photographers billion for.month and

26:24

then subsequently thing I guess I will either

26:26

that support one of the buttons country. Welcome

26:44

back your party and Chester as read podcast

26:47

will have had the bomb of games and

26:49

it's more even Saturday evening down on the

26:51

South coast. Spicer to kick off in this

26:54

little segment and will make it front of

26:56

the credibly Samuel because you're off the current

26:58

into the press conference and we'll see don't

27:00

know the t news as well recording

27:02

this podcast so and when is really stay

27:05

probably will be concerned that Russia Mattel money

27:07

could be out the game and does that

27:09

mean Anthony comes in. Naturally he was quite

27:12

bright, was any and can be shoehorn basal.

27:14

Know in some a lot made the case

27:16

a few times that she confessed a cast

27:18

mirror is Casimir really needed in the game

27:20

is set against. Bonus: If you read team

27:23

he's elected Talking Points: Fear that death to

27:25

expand them. Will.

27:27

Cast America the winning goal

27:29

at Boneless last season and.

27:32

I'd still argue that. As

27:35

the I think he is needed

27:37

because united it's just the as

27:39

idealistic as it sounds to. Play.

27:42

copy may new with my son mountain

27:44

or maybe with christian eriksen and complete

27:46

control the game does does anybody think

27:49

united a capable of doing that against

27:51

bomb as who have a know monks

27:53

eight they patted united sweeney oh trusted

27:55

in december they've got some really good

27:57

players they the that the coach that

28:00

has got his fingerprints

28:02

all over that team and he's

28:04

done that quicker

28:06

than Eric Tenharg has at United. He still doesn't

28:08

look at United as a team

28:11

that is playing in the manager's image but that

28:13

is very much the case at Bournemouth. I know

28:15

Bournemouth last week had a really

28:18

poor result against Luton

28:20

losing 2-1 quite late on. They've

28:26

not set the world alight as such but I

28:28

don't think anybody was expecting them to elevate in

28:31

the top 10. Bournemouth

28:33

just being in the Premier League is a success

28:35

in itself. It was a major success that they

28:37

stayed up last season. Then

28:39

to change manager when Gary O'Neill did

28:42

such a terrific job was

28:45

a very bold move and

28:48

it didn't start well under

28:51

Iraiola. But they have done well.

28:53

I think before the Luton game they'd won 3 on

28:56

the spin. As

29:00

I said there are no mugs and

29:03

I don't see this as a game where you

29:06

go there and you just think play

29:09

park game football, play

29:11

playmakers here, there and everywhere and try

29:13

and dictate the game. United are incapable

29:15

of doing that. There's

29:20

an 8 day gap between games because they

29:22

play on Sunday when it's the FA Cup

29:25

semi-final against Coventry. Do you really want Casamiro

29:27

going 15 days?

29:30

Would it have been 15 days? I think it was like 17 days. 14

29:33

days without playing? I thought he

29:35

was really cool. I

29:39

thought he was really cool. He

29:41

improved slightly in the second half and that

29:43

probably coincided with the tempo increasing after the

29:45

goals and the performance up and from his

29:47

team. But I just thought he was sloppy,

29:49

his passing was poor, his positioning was questionable.

29:52

I think there has been a real drop off. Particularly

29:55

in the last few weeks since he's come back from that injury

29:57

in January. I Just don't think he's going to be able to

29:59

do that. The very good at all and I think

30:01

he just on by default single property grease on

30:03

by the fall and depositors yes Alicia, if it's

30:05

an hour at a dog is from a Sumo

30:07

in their know. he's kind of suggested that. He

30:10

is kind of is crossing fingers with that book. It's

30:13

just not Do not do anything for me at the moment or

30:15

some such as defined stop. Know

30:18

he isn't ends a thing but I don't

30:20

think that you've got to play the long

30:23

game because if you take him out the

30:25

same a at this stage of the season,

30:27

there's no rhythm section of putting him back

30:30

into it. But you going into a if

30:32

I cup final probably against Manchester City with

30:34

my son mountain copy may news humid film

30:36

with as. Monarchy not

30:39

gonna be I flick new I agree. but

30:41

my thoughts are could you not try against

30:43

bomb us in this kind of game where

30:45

I think a couple if you're playing the

30:47

long game. If you're playing the long game,

30:49

Where. You go with that. Did

30:52

that cup semifinal against countries banana

30:54

skin in that country has very

30:56

little to lose their a it

30:58

In essence nobody's nobody's really subtle

31:01

expects them speech United there's gonna

31:03

be interviewed us about united that

31:05

they are thing because. Just

31:08

just look at why they pay the

31:10

season it's it's gonna be that biggest

31:12

game of the season and a really

31:14

needs is the need. Experienced players and

31:16

I completely agree a customer is playing

31:18

by default. I also think he should

31:20

be sold in the summer they he's

31:22

on his last legs but I applied

31:24

to this to of on one soccer's

31:26

well who again he starts him by

31:28

the fool because by flashbacks a made

31:30

of also would who he should also

31:32

be sold in the summer but while

31:34

he is available you've got to maximize

31:36

and you've gotta make. The most of him. The

31:39

the best players not always make for

31:41

the best team casimir raise one of

31:44

the United States best players on his

31:46

day he we just haven't seen it

31:48

anywhere near often enough the season and

31:50

I don't think that as as we

31:52

went back to combat that point we

31:54

made on. A. Monday was A

31:57

in terms of the squad's the same

31:59

plane for ten hog been behind and

32:01

hug. you. Don't look at the hardly

32:03

any players we've seen the season where

32:05

you'd look at him, we look at

32:07

them and you'd say he's not trying

32:09

or he's not committed acts as a

32:11

cause. And and Casimir I for all

32:13

his faults. Is committed. He

32:15

was a character driven signing on are

32:17

they. I've spent it's it's it's

32:20

getting. It's getting men towards the

32:22

end of the summer transfer window. But

32:25

you there wasn't Russians. That, while.

32:27

He does. He actually does want the

32:30

challenge a plane from and she she

32:32

nice in trying smite munchies. United better

32:34

again it's it worked out So for

32:36

one season it's certainly not what outlook

32:38

season and he cannot be. I think

32:40

he can be United next season, never

32:43

mind in the starting eleven. But

32:46

United have got to be used in

32:48

these this bank of games and before

32:50

and off this and cup semi final

32:52

and hope they do get their Fi

32:54

cup final to build momentum for the

32:56

cup final when it was the cup

32:58

final last season. Because

33:01

of the as the injury to Wednesday

33:03

and in treats fancy marshall as well

33:05

you knew that he was gonna be

33:07

fun and as on the right is

33:09

gonna be Ericsson behinds was it. Is

33:12

the striker that I was it rush but who starts

33:14

him from. And

33:17

know the car book of file. Know

33:20

that? Yeah, nonstop. Agnostic

33:22

stuff. Yes, I cup final am.

33:25

Who's. Of of at a

33:27

mind blowing care. Loved her looking out the

33:29

it nam than by think it was his

33:31

Iraqi cast is. Dammit. Dammit.

33:34

Foods was some. The.

33:36

Midfield and both cut funds in thought

33:38

was fights and Kashmir. Never knew that

33:40

Fred's was gonna be Laden is in

33:42

the summer Ah many do what? He

33:44

had that conversation with Marco Silva outside

33:47

the ground. Oh that oh trusted. For

33:49

them already interested but you know he had

33:52

saw the cup final because it was the

33:54

best thing for the T. know it didn't

33:56

work out because Fred's could either be apps

33:58

truly brilliant if such taken. Sancho who started

34:00

at the top. Yeah, Rashford up front, we're about

34:02

to see a thing. Yeah. So obviously Casimiro and

34:04

Fred and Eric are in the midfield. Fernando's on

34:06

the right, Sancho on the left, and Marcus Rashford

34:08

through the middle. I actually remember writing a piece

34:10

about Sancho, but his performance was that forgettable. It's

34:12

not coming to hyper about, mind you. Well, I

34:14

was just about to say that. No

34:17

wonder I couldn't remember it, because he was, one,

34:19

it was a successful performance, and he also was

34:21

anonymous that day. But

34:23

the midfield, you knew it

34:25

had to be Fred and Casimiro going

34:27

into that game. It didn't work out.

34:30

Fred was appalling. Unfortunately for him, it was

34:32

one of his worst ever performances for United.

34:34

He was really bad. Nobody

34:37

really performed for them that day apart from

34:39

Juan Basaca, I think it was. Juan Basaca

34:41

was the only one who really emerged with

34:43

any real credit performance-wise in the Cup Final.

34:47

But this is not the

34:49

time for experimenting, especially if you're

34:51

Eric Tenharg. And your future's

34:54

in the balance. If

34:56

anything, it's probably more teetered in the

34:58

likelihood of him going rather than staying,

35:01

I would say, because they're

35:03

not going to be in the Champions League next season. They

35:06

certainly won't be favourites to win the FA Cup. And

35:09

even if they do win the FA

35:11

Cup, does that offer him a stay

35:14

of execution? It's debatable. We'd

35:18

have to assess that at the time. But

35:21

I just don't see the point of putting a

35:23

player in, and then the next week, you

35:26

still go with that player in an FA

35:28

Cup semi-final when he's not really had any

35:30

rhythm. Mason Mount should have

35:33

started against Chelsea, I thought. But

35:36

Anthony came in, and Anthony was

35:38

excellent. And he was pretty bright

35:40

and very unfortunate not to start

35:42

against Liverpool last week. I know

35:44

Tenharg said that he wasn't

35:47

in a robust enough

35:49

state to start two games within the

35:52

space of three or four days. But

35:56

when people saw that team and saw that Rashford

35:58

was starting ahead of Anthony, I think

36:01

any rationale they won't have him because Popular

36:06

form United player was telling me before the game off

36:09

not long after the team she dropped that No

36:11

way would rushford have had ever effing

36:14

played for me again after his performance

36:16

at Chelsea. So If

36:19

rushford is out of the Bournemouth game and

36:21

he wasn't visible in the training imagery that

36:23

was released in midweek One

36:25

I don't think he would be a great

36:27

loss to he shouldn't be stopped asking anyway Get

36:31

your point with Casa miro and I actually

36:34

agree with the logic and The

36:36

problem is when you watch that miss the other the

36:38

last weeks It's just so frustrating isn't it and you

36:40

try to think of a solution in your head And

36:42

I guess Mason melt is the only player

36:44

in my head who could be you also he also gets

36:46

the best out of He

36:49

also gets a bit. Yeah, Kobe manu

36:51

does benefit from playing with Casa miro.

36:53

Kobe manu has not He's

36:55

not at least as even started game

36:57

alongside my team out That

37:03

a few games when they started alongside each

37:06

other How we

37:08

keep on talking about them in field this and you'll keep

37:10

on saying it's a problem You get these screenshots of the

37:12

game of the spaces that emerge that bus

37:14

can stay in and we do suggest they are They

37:17

obviously structural and tactical but if yeah, I think something

37:19

has to change for me It's just kind of doing

37:21

the same thing over and over again the same problems

37:23

keep on happening But we're

37:25

in we're in April now. We're in April now and

37:27

this man. Yeah If

37:30

he does find a solution isn't it off you

37:33

have to doff your cat to it But

37:36

even if he does it'll be Christ you

37:38

really took your time to plug the gap

37:42

That's a good point. Um The

37:44

Champions League places they actually took a blow

37:46

last night because Liverpool got hammered free now

37:48

at home and a yogan clubs potential last

37:51

European night and just got absolutely annihilated

37:53

there by Atlanta Rasmus Huyland's former club,

37:55

of course and then leather cushion as

37:57

I mentioned before beat West Ham to

37:59

nil So we're talking about the coefficient a

38:01

few times on this podcast and how it

38:03

might impact the Champions League places. Obviously, Cess

38:05

might have got a Champions League place, but

38:07

now that looks a little bit more likely.

38:10

We've been kind of assessing United's chances

38:12

of getting Champions League based on that

38:14

fifth position. But if it just goes down

38:17

to four places, the chances of

38:19

securing Champions League football next season look really slim,

38:21

don't they? Well,

38:24

I've just got it up now and I

38:27

take it it's the season country coefficients.

38:30

And Italy and Germany are in the

38:32

top two. That says it was updated

38:34

on, yep, 12th of April, very

38:37

early this morning. So that's up to

38:39

date. It's

38:42

got English clubs five out of eight in. But

38:44

of course, as you said, I

38:46

can't see West Ham getting through against

38:48

Bayern Leverkusen. It sounded like

38:50

it was a bit

38:52

like like you. I tuned it

38:55

to the Gulf last night and I

38:57

just do some of the highlights of

39:00

the Liverpool defeat and

39:02

saw the goals from the West Ham game.

39:04

But it looked like West Ham, classic Mois

39:06

just copy the same

39:09

formation as the opponents stay deep,

39:11

do bugger all in

39:13

the final third and try and get out of

39:15

there with a draw, pretending that you're somehow inferior

39:17

to them, even though you'd have spent far more

39:19

money than them. And it

39:21

sounds like they got what they deserved, losing two

39:23

nil to two late goals. So that would have

39:25

been particularly galling for them. And I

39:27

don't think many people will be expecting West Ham to

39:29

overturn that in the second leg. Liverpool

39:32

are pretty much dead

39:34

in the water. And as far as the

39:36

Europa League is concerned, which,

39:40

let's face it, it's funny. It

39:42

really is funny. I heard a

39:45

scouser talking about how many people would

39:47

be going to Dublin for

39:49

the year against Sendoff in

39:51

May when it came out that he was

39:53

leaving at the end of the season and how they

39:55

would be crossing the Irish. The in all

39:58

this, that and the on-board. I'm

40:00

doing it half-hearted. I can

40:02

do it far better than

40:04

that. But that is just objectively funny

40:07

if you're not a Liverpool fan. So if

40:09

they do turn it around, and look, they've

40:12

done it before, but given that they are going for the title

40:14

and really, they want to be at

40:19

the cop with all their flags out, seeing that they're

40:21

going to be at the top of the fight,

40:27

they want to be at the cop with all their flags out,

40:29

seeing the Premier League trophy. We weren't there

40:32

in 2020, but we could be there this

40:34

year. This is our year. This means more,

40:37

all that nonsense. They would

40:39

much rather win the Premier League title than

40:42

however many going to Dublin for a

40:44

Europa League final, and that's

40:46

got to be prioritised for them now.

40:49

But I don't

40:51

think any United fan, if you're

40:53

a United fan, you're sat in Kelly, watching

40:56

Atlanta Liverpool, hoping,

40:59

like, willing Liverpool

41:01

to win for the coefficients so England

41:03

would finish in the top two. You

41:07

probably should see a change of allegiance. I

41:12

don't think there's a single United fan in the world

41:14

who would have been behaving like that last night, and

41:16

there would have been many,

41:18

many United fans travelling in Atlanta,

41:20

thumping Liverpool. The game

41:22

of Manchester City, Real Madrid, United

41:24

fans were wanting with the Hammer

41:26

City at the Bernabeu. Yeah, and

41:29

you'd want Bayern Munich, if you're a

41:31

United fan, you'd want Bayern Munich to

41:34

knock out Arsenal as well, to spare the

41:36

world of Arsenal

41:40

fans, giddy and

41:43

arrogant Arsenal fans resurfacing. I was at

41:46

school when Arsenal were quite

41:48

good and used to winning the title

41:50

every now and then. Arsenal being the

41:52

success is

41:56

something to be avoided. I can't stress that

41:58

enough. It

42:01

was not pleasant at times. Yeah,

42:04

yeah, I could there are some choice words

42:06

that I can't really use on there, but

42:09

it was it was not good Arsenal

42:11

being successful at times under Vanga. Fortunately,

42:13

they couldn't ever really properly back it

42:16

up as far as the title was

42:18

concerned. But yeah, I

42:20

had a conversation with them with a friend about this the

42:22

other night, and I was struggling to

42:24

settle on the word to describe their following when

42:26

when they're in the in the

42:29

Ascendant and he came out

42:31

with one which as I said

42:33

is is very much watershed

42:35

is it? Yeah, come

42:37

to the mansion. Even if it was called watershed I

42:39

think I don't think I'd have got away with it.

42:43

I was gonna say come to the United and

42:45

our assistance stay for Samuel's impression of scousers

42:47

because that is hashtag content. You hear that

42:49

word Samuel, but we'll use it. Thanks for

42:51

your time Samuel. You're

42:53

welcome. I just, I think I've possibly

42:56

dug my my engrave there because I just

42:58

hope it's not going to get clicked. I

43:01

hope it is. Yeah,

43:03

we'll know on that drive down the Bournemouth

43:05

tomorrow afternoon. No doubt I'll see you in

43:07

the 25. Thanks as usual have a good

43:10

weekend.