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Tax Live. Welcome

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to the Marvel Cinematic Universe podcast. My name is

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Matthew Carroll. And I'm Ashley Coffin. Ashley,

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what is happening, my friend? I'm

1:36

so sorry to get derailed, but it's like

1:38

I just looked up the Fantastic Four thing

1:41

to see how to say Ebon Mossbacherach's name.

1:43

And it's weird. They have Adam Driver's

1:45

name there too, which we know isn't

1:48

true. Dan Stevens from Legion. I'm like,

1:50

wait a minute. Don't gaslight me because

1:52

I want Adam Driver to be Dr.

1:54

Doom so bad. Yeah.

1:59

I hear you. Yeah, it's funny. Yeah,

2:01

I don't feel that way. I I think

2:03

I Like I'm driver

2:05

fine, but I think like I'm I Was

2:08

I was fine with what he did in like

2:10

Star Wars. I don't know that I really need him for Reed Richards

2:12

Oh, no, not read Richards. Oh Yeah,

2:15

I'm a doom. Oh, yeah No, I can see that

2:17

for sure but it also like I see

2:20

why he wouldn't or wouldn't want any masks

2:22

who knows Yeah, it's just it feels like the

2:24

same I know it's not

2:26

the same character obviously, but like it feels

2:28

so it feels like he would carry all

2:31

the baggage of Kylo Ren With

2:33

him like you start to feel like the

2:36

character of dr. Doom is more like Kylo

2:38

Ren than you want to you know what

2:40

I mean like he like

2:42

he'd start to feel petulant just because we

2:44

are used to the the petulant version of

2:47

Maybe Adams a pretty good dry. I'm

2:50

pretty good driver Adam's a pretty

2:52

good driver Yeah,

2:56

no, I agree I completely agree

2:58

he's great and other things I just think

3:01

I think it would be hard cuz the the mask

3:03

thing and the villain thing It just feels like it's

3:05

so similar that I think it would just come with

3:07

back Just I'm saying I'm not saying he couldn't overcome

3:09

it for sure, but it would come

3:11

with baggage So I see why the Marvel

3:13

wouldn't want it possibly and he

3:15

probably would want to do something so similar Yeah,

3:18

another villain other like mustache twirling

3:20

villain that kid that like Sits

3:23

behind a mask or whatever. Well, he can

3:25

wait till his money starts running out and then we'll see what happens.

3:28

Yeah Yeah, I'm looking at you Zoe

3:30

Saldana So what do you what

3:32

do you think of the cast that we do have it's official I'm

3:36

very excited about Vanessa Kirby I also

3:39

feel like I wasn't too surprised because this has

3:41

been leaked for a while that it was gonna

3:43

be these four I think Joseph

3:46

Quinn is an interesting casting. I

3:48

think he's really popular right now, which is good You

3:50

always see Johnny Storm as like like

3:53

the Chris Evans like hot, you know frat

3:56

house kind of looking guys, so it'll be

3:58

an interesting take because What is he, weak in

4:01

English? Sorry, he's so small. But

4:05

I don't know, I love him a lot, because I love

4:07

him on Stranger Things, just like everybody else, and

4:09

nobody could get enough of Eddie Munson. So

4:12

that's great. I

4:14

don't know how I feel about Pedro Pascal.

4:16

I love him, I love him in everything

4:18

that he's in, but

4:21

at this point, I'm like, how do I

4:23

not just see Pedro Pascal? Is he gonna

4:25

be able to disappear into a Reed Richards?

4:30

I'm not saying

4:32

I'm not looking forward to

4:34

it, I'm just a little iffy about it. I'm like,

4:36

aw, because I would have liked him to, I

4:39

love when Marvel finds people to fit these roles

4:41

who we haven't seen, like I talk about it

4:43

all the time, the Tom Hiddleston's, or the Chris

4:45

Hemsworths, or the people who come into these roles,

4:48

even Miss Marvel, find somebody

4:51

who can really fit the role, instead of going with, this

4:53

guy's gonna put asses in the seats. Yeah,

4:56

yeah, yeah, I feel that. How do you feel that?

4:58

I think that there's definitely a fear of

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that. The same way I was just talking about with Kylo Ren,

5:03

and Adam Driver moving into a similar

5:05

role, you carry the baggage

5:07

from your previous roles if they're iconic enough.

5:09

The thing about Pedro, I think, while

5:12

we all feel like some of his roles

5:14

are very iconic, I think, some

5:18

of his biggest roles, I don't, I

5:21

don't know, I mean, his biggest

5:23

role is probably the Mandalorian, where his face is covered.

5:25

So it's like, I don't know that he'll carry the

5:27

same baggage to me. I always

5:29

go to Game of Thrones. It's the first place I saw him.

5:32

Yeah, I was about to say, that

5:34

Game of Thrones, and

5:36

also Last of Us, of course, are the

5:38

two that he's shown his face, and I

5:40

think of him. We don't talk about Wonder

5:42

Woman 1984. Oh, yeah,

5:44

no, no thank you. I

5:48

completely forgot that he plays Max Lord, or

5:50

whatever, I know. I know, right? We

5:52

liked him so much on Game of Thrones that

5:54

I'm not gonna spoil what happens, but what happens

5:57

with this character, my husband was almost done with

5:59

the show. I've never seen him have

6:01

a reaction like that. I'm so

6:03

mad because he's so great. Yep.

6:06

Yep. It's so he's so

6:08

good. And this thing, but his character

6:10

in that, like I don't think of

6:13

Oberon and Joel from Last of Us

6:15

as similar at all. You know what I mean?

6:17

Like I do think that he so far has

6:19

been able to disappear into his roles and those

6:21

three major ones specifically. And I always think about

6:24

it just because it's so different. His

6:26

also his role in that Nick Cage movie.

6:28

Like those four roles are

6:30

completely distinct to me. I

6:33

think he has the ability to disappear into roles. It's

6:35

just like, what is he going to do with this?

6:37

Is he going to make it different or is it

6:39

going to be too similar to one of those? I

6:41

don't think so. Reed Richards doesn't feel similar to any

6:43

of those. He feels little pieces of those feel right,

6:45

but not, you know, not

6:49

holistically similar. What's the

6:51

age gap between him and Vanessa Kirby? It's like

6:53

20 years. I

6:56

don't know. I

6:59

kind of hope they let Sue Storm and Johnny Storm

7:01

be English. I

7:05

don't know why, but I really want them to have their accents.

7:07

Oh yeah. That's funny.

7:09

Yeah. They're both English, Joseph Quinn.

7:12

No man, don't be, don't

7:14

be making the first family English. Come

7:16

on. Just two of them. No.

7:19

Inclusiveness. America. And I hope Pedro

7:22

Pascal has an accent too. Let's do this. Yeah,

7:24

they're 13 years apart, 35 and 48. Okay,

7:26

that's not so bad. No, not too bad. And

7:29

it's like she's old enough that it's like

7:31

it's not too creepy. Like

7:35

guys think it's like you got like that same age

7:37

difference at 18 or whatever. I'd be like,

7:39

oh, I don't know about this guys. But

7:41

yeah, that age difference at 35 and 48

7:43

doesn't seem so bad. And Yvonne Moss,

7:45

you know, I really wanted Bill Burr to be

7:48

the thing. I was kind of like pulling through

7:50

my own campaign because I thought he would be

7:52

so good at it. I thought he has

7:54

the anger, the voice. It would have just been really

7:56

funny. But I don't

7:58

watch the bear, but I've seen. that

8:01

guy, I mean the Punisher, remember he was

8:03

in the- Yeah, he was a micro in the Punisher.

8:06

Yeah, he was in a

8:08

ton of stuff, let me look, he was an Andor. Oh

8:11

yeah, do you remember who he was, an Andor? I

8:13

don't know, he was one of the prisoners that

8:18

Andor had to like get through,

8:20

like work with or whatever

8:22

in the prison. And he was a real standout

8:24

in that too. Yeah, yeah, the

8:27

menu was really good. Oh

8:29

yeah. Yeah, he had a really good, he was

8:32

in the Royal Tannenbaums. Oh wow,

8:34

I didn't remember that. Ugh,

8:36

stealth, boo. No,

8:38

he's got a lot going on in his IMDB here.

8:42

Yeah, like he's been kicking around for a while, I

8:44

mean he's been in another Marvel property

8:46

like 10 years ago with Punisher, so

8:50

yeah, I'm pumped for him, man, I

8:52

think he's a great fit for this

8:54

character specifically, and so much of it matters with the

8:56

voice, and that's just, so he's got a great voice

8:59

for it. So,

9:02

very gravelly, very gravelly. Yeah.

9:06

But Annie, he does angry and like sort of

9:08

like that get away

9:10

from me anger really well from the video.

9:12

Yeah, good, good, I have to watch

9:14

that at some point. It's just too much, there's too much

9:17

to watch. Way too much to watch, way too much to

9:19

watch. We were talking about it in the patron hang yesterday,

9:22

and we were like talking about how like, it

9:25

feels weird, right now there's not that much coming out,

9:27

and it feels still like there's

9:29

nothing to watch, but also so much, and

9:31

it's just impossible to decide, and yeah, it's

9:35

weird, it's weird, it's a weird

9:37

time. I feel like

9:39

I'm looking for a good show to get into. I

9:41

actually found myself like really like kind of sad this

9:43

week, and I realized like I just haven't

9:46

had my escapism that I need. I

9:48

don't have a good show that I'm like thinking

9:51

about their course of their like

9:54

arcs and all the characters and what they're gonna do

9:56

to defeat the enemy, and like my brain's not cooking

9:58

on anything right now, so. I

10:00

have to just like sit and think about real

10:02

life and like bills and mortgages and you know

10:05

You really this this sort of escapism is so

10:07

important to me Yeah, well,

10:09

that's why we're we're so deep into

10:12

our Oscars watch not just the best picture Yeah,

10:14

now we're like halfway through all of the movie.

10:16

So every movie is in a

10:18

different like emotion So we're just going through

10:20

these up and down rollercoasters as we go through

10:23

these different movies like oh That's

10:25

awesome. It's heavy But it's good

10:27

because we went through having absolutely nothing to watch

10:29

it felt like for a while to now we

10:31

have just like way Too much stuff to watch. Yeah,

10:34

that's awesome Okay.

10:37

Okay. This is a rumor complete rumor.

10:40

No, no, you know No,

10:43

whatever Don't give it

10:45

any Don't even give a

10:47

grain of salt It's a rumor But there's

10:49

rumors going around the internet saying that Henry

10:51

Cavill has been cast an unknown role for

10:53

the MCU I

10:55

feel like these kind of rumors happen all the time Really

10:58

with him? Yeah and Henry

11:00

Cavill I do think bringing Henry Cavill over

11:02

would probably be a good business decision for

11:04

Marvel Yeah, there's a

11:06

big like huge nerd contingent

11:09

of like Snyder fanboys that

11:11

feel like, you know Henry Cavill

11:13

really got shafted over at DC

11:16

if I'm running down. Yeah, I

11:19

Absolutely agree with them but Though

11:21

some of those same people are the people who

11:23

kind of hate on the MCU because it's sort

11:25

of that DC Marvel dichotomy thing and like I

11:28

think there's a contingent that would be like Suede

11:30

over to check out the next Marvel thing or

11:32

be a little more excited if Henry Cavill got

11:34

a really meaty role Yeah,

11:37

I'd like I don't want to see him as a villain

11:39

just because even in the mission impossible

11:41

movie I believe it was where he was a

11:43

villain. I couldn't buy it He

11:46

just doesn't come across as a villain to me because he just

11:48

looks like he's such a nice guy and I might be because

11:50

I just See Superman when I look at him. I mean, I

11:52

honestly don't think there is ever a better cast for Superman I

11:55

think what happened to him over there is kind of is

11:58

BS. I mean he left the Witcher

12:00

to go do this James Gunn

12:02

Superman project and then they let him go going with

12:04

I guess this whole like younger cast which is totally

12:07

fine but now we don't have him as the Witcher

12:09

and now we don't have him as Superman. So yeah

12:11

Marvel needs to sweep in and pick him up but

12:13

I don't want him to be Dr. Doom. I

12:16

think he'd be a great Brian Braddock like Captain

12:18

Britain. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It

12:20

feels like we're in such a insecure

12:23

place with all this media like so many things

12:25

are being announced and then retracted and like people

12:27

are losing jobs and getting it just I don't

12:29

know if that's because like media

12:32

is different now and moves faster and

12:34

we're just knowing about things before knowing

12:36

about things before they happen and like knowing

12:39

about things that are

12:41

supposed to happen and they don't happen and so

12:43

we get our like mindset on things or if

12:45

it's just like we're in a different

12:47

time because Marvel used to feel very secure

12:50

but now I feel like there's a lot

12:52

of like shifting around

12:54

going on in the background even

12:56

more so than there used to be. I mean there

12:59

always has been but like it does feel like

13:01

it's more lately. Yeah. And

13:04

obviously with DC there's been a lot. What would

13:06

you think about him being Cyclops? Ooh,

13:11

great look for Cyclops. We

13:14

just yeah we could just red that hair up a little bit.

13:17

Yeah, I like it. I like that.

13:19

That's really good. If you put that

13:21

mask on him and the red glasses like

13:23

that hides it doesn't hide

13:25

who he is because you know

13:27

that body but you know it

13:29

kind of like masks like

13:32

oh no it's not Superman it's Scott Summers

13:34

you know. Yeah, I think

13:36

that would be fun. I do think that

13:38

could work and I mean like to me Cyclops

13:40

has always been that like Boy Scout character. Yeah.

13:43

For the X-Men so like that could work really well

13:45

and I think he has the attitude and the

13:49

voice that could really pull it off and

13:51

that leadership. Come on X-Men. There's

13:54

something about Cyclops that kind of does have to be like not

13:57

just that soldier boy good boy but he

13:59

has to kind of be a little hot

14:01

because. because he gets Gene and Gene's the

14:03

leader of the X-Men. He's married to Gene.

14:06

As much as you hate him, you have to pick

14:08

somebody who is also going to be likable, because it's

14:10

really easy to just hate him in the comics or

14:12

in the TV show, because you're like, God, I can't

14:14

stand you, but he's just a cartoon character. But if

14:16

you're gonna put him on screen, have it be someone

14:18

likable. So you're like, oh, I wanna just

14:20

like what you're doing, but God, I like you, and you're

14:23

usually right. Yeah, that's the thing,

14:25

you do have to like him, you have to root

14:27

for him, but I do think he's

14:29

kind of like, to me,

14:31

the hotness vibes we're talking about are always

14:33

kind of undercut by the fact that like,

14:36

yeah, but Gene also has a thing for Wolverine. You

14:38

know, like she's sort of like- Yeah, she never leaves

14:40

him. Yeah, but that's because like

14:42

Scott always feels like safe. You know what

14:44

I mean? Right. It's this difference

14:46

between like this hot safe dynamic, and like

14:48

I'm not saying that Cyclops isn't an

14:51

attractive man. Yeah. And

14:53

if Henry Cavill took the role, obviously he'd

14:55

be hot. There's also just like sort of

14:57

this, I don't know,

15:01

it's undercut by that. So like, yeah, I don't

15:03

know. I'm like, blow my mind, Marvel,

15:05

make Charlie Hunnam Wolverine and Henry Cavill

15:07

Cyclops and make it be a real problem

15:09

for Gene. Oh

15:13

man, I like Charlie Hunnam's Wolverine, that's really good.

15:15

Me too. That's really good. We've

15:18

been talking about doing the X-Men casting episode

15:20

or whatever, and like that would, you're

15:22

doing a good job over there. Thanks, write

15:24

him down. Put it on the board. Put

15:27

it on the board. Dude, Charlie Hunnam is

15:29

Wolverine, would be really, really good.

15:32

I feel like, I feel, I've always felt

15:34

bad for Charlie Hunnam. I feel like he

15:36

never really got his foot in the door.

15:38

He's gotten to be leading roles in movies,

15:40

and they never really, people didn't

15:42

like them. I liked them. I liked the

15:45

Guy Ritchie, King Arthur

15:47

movie. I thought that was good. I thought he

15:49

was great in the other Guy Ritchie movie, like The

15:51

Gentleman, but I loved him on Sons of Anarchy, but

15:53

he just seems like he can't really break through, even

15:55

though he's been a leading role in

15:57

a lot of movies. And I think getting him...

16:00

into something like the MCU would really, you know,

16:03

start getting him the accolades and attention that he

16:05

deserves. Yeah, I agree. I

16:07

think that getting him into something more

16:09

recognizable that people would really know him

16:11

as, like, I mean, obviously, if you're

16:13

Wolverine, the next 20 years of your

16:15

life, you're going to be like,

16:18

Oh, that guy, that guy, everybody knows his name, you

16:20

know? Did you watch Rebel Moon?

16:22

No. Is he in it? They

16:25

advertised that like he was a main star in it.

16:27

He was in for 15 minutes and

16:29

I was really disappointed. Dang.

16:31

Thanks. How dare they? They Bryan

16:33

Cranston and Godzilla to you. Yeah.

16:37

That movie, all

16:39

the trailers are Bryan Cranston all over at

16:42

the height of Breaking Bad fame. And

16:45

then he's in it for four

16:48

minutes or whatever. They're like, psych.

16:50

Psych-clops. Sorry. And

16:52

then they mess everybody up by

16:54

having Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch be

16:56

lovers in that. I

16:59

did not care for that multiverse. Oh, oh. Remember

17:01

Adam Taylor? I always want

17:03

to call him Anya Taylor-Johnson, but it's Adam

17:05

Taylor. Joy. No, wait, that's wrong.

17:07

No. Yep. Adam

17:09

Taylor-Johnson and Elizabeth Olsen. Aren't they the main people

17:12

in that Godzilla movie? It's not Adam. Is

17:14

it Taylor-Johnson? Aaron. Aaron.

17:16

I knew it was an Adam. I'll go see Craven

17:19

the Hunter. Even if that's on mute. God damn.

17:21

Yeah. He

17:23

looks good in that. I am down for Craven.

17:26

Even though, and I know we, you

17:28

haven't seen it, but Madam Web, we

17:31

discussed pretty intentionally on life. Yeah.

17:34

Tell me about it. Give me a five minute look.

17:36

What did you think? It's terrible, but

17:39

had potential. There's

17:41

like some cool things, but it's mostly

17:43

bad. It's mostly really bad. And

17:46

I keep thinking about how much it feels

17:48

like Final Destination because the whole, here's

17:50

what they should have done. I think it was me doing it. First

17:53

of all, replace Dakota Johnson immediately. We

17:55

joked actually, and again, in the patron hang yesterday, we

17:57

were joking about how the sort of Eric Stoltz did

17:59

her. Like, she got there,

18:02

did two weeks on the movie and

18:04

been like, oh, this is bad. We

18:06

gotta replace her. And

18:08

taken her out like they did in Back to the Future with Eric

18:10

Stoltz. Aw, poor Eric Stoltz. Yeah, I

18:12

know, I know. But like, I gotta get the vibe

18:14

of the movie. And she did not get the vibe.

18:16

Well, that was my main worry. It

18:19

was her. Yeah, she's terrible. So

18:21

she's bad. And then the movie, the

18:24

way this movie works, I think, and it would have

18:26

worked really well, is if it

18:28

was really leaning into being a horror

18:31

movie, sort

18:34

of like Final Destination. Where

18:36

you, because there's these glimpses of the

18:38

future and the girls keep dying and

18:40

she, so spoiler alert, I guess, if

18:42

you're interested, skip forward two minutes or

18:44

something. There's this, the whole movie is

18:47

like all these girls, they keep, she keeps getting visions

18:49

of their death. Then she has to like zoom

18:51

back in time and stop it. So she keeps

18:54

doing that. So

18:56

what would have made this movie is it had

18:59

been rated R and the deaths had been brutal.

19:02

Like it would have been a killer horror movie if

19:04

like the same three girls just keep

19:06

getting like, and also one of the most effective

19:08

things to me about the movie that was an

19:10

interesting career. Like, you're gonna kiss tomorrow?

19:13

Yes, yes, exactly. Like just brutal death, reset,

19:15

do it again. Like that, and that's all

19:17

through the movie. But it's always the same

19:19

thing. He just grabs them and like cracks

19:21

their neck. It's so unimaginative. Spider-Man

19:23

basically, like he's not, he's like this, but

19:26

he's wearing a Spider-Man suit. He has a

19:28

lot of the Spider-Man powers. And

19:30

that was another thing that I found really effective about the movie

19:32

that I never would have thought of. What,

19:34

it kind of reminded me of that movie,

19:37

Brightburn, where like, what would you do if

19:39

one of the big heroes is now just evil?

19:42

You know what I mean? Like,

19:44

and so the whole movie is Spider-Man,

19:46

basically a Spider-Man analog in a black

19:49

and red spider suit chasing

19:51

these women and murdering them as she

19:53

keeps having to fix it. So

19:56

like, that's a cool idea, but you gotta

19:58

get ready to go to Johnson. And I think if they... like

20:00

really steered into the horror

20:02

and made it like rated R and made it like

20:05

this is Final Destination and Spider-Man is

20:07

like webbing them up and

20:09

then suffocating them in one and then the next one

20:11

he's like pulling them apart with his super strength and

20:13

the next one he's like whatever do that sort of

20:15

thing and then it's like she

20:17

zooms back and has to stop it like that

20:20

would have felt like Final Destination does and it

20:22

would have felt cool and also felt weird because

20:24

you're fearing Spider-Man you know like yeah but instead

20:26

it's just a mess and it feels almost like

20:29

they were going for that but they also wanted

20:31

to capture like the comic

20:33

book movie audience so they just made this weird

20:35

middle of the road and then they put Dakota

20:37

Johnson in it and that was the worst choice

20:39

ever but there are good

20:41

things in the movie and really interesting ideas and

20:45

that's what they it's like not to

20:48

tell shallow but I mean she's gorgeous

20:51

she's so beautiful but it's like sometimes for

20:53

me because I'm shallow like Crave in the

20:55

Hunter that movie doesn't look great but I'll

20:57

watch that because dude's hot and I like

20:59

you know looking at hot things when your

21:01

movie so bad that the hot person can't

21:03

even like get you through it that's a

21:05

problem you know it's like right God it's

21:07

like I'm just anybody else

21:09

because I do think she's stunningly beautiful but

21:11

just because you're stunningly beautiful doesn't make you

21:13

a good actress you know for

21:15

sure with lines like I'm not

21:17

sticking that up my butt and the only

21:19

things that I remember from her movies you know from

21:22

Fifty Shades of Grey she says some

21:24

she's like what are those he's like butt plugs

21:26

and she's like and that's sticking anything

21:29

out my butt that's what she

21:31

does and she loved it you

21:33

know that's what I remember of

21:35

Dakota Johnson all

21:38

right well good if you get time to

21:40

hate watch the Fifty Shades of Grey things

21:42

you will never laugh I've never laughed as

21:44

hard as I have during as

21:46

I did no comedy movie in the world like

21:49

by the time you get to the third one

21:51

you're like okay I can't do this anymore but

21:53

the first two my goodness you just laugh your

21:55

way through the whole things it's hysterical yeah

21:59

and then you're like oh That's really how see because

22:01

I was sick. As a great actor, she's.

22:03

Putting on this like oh, that's how the

22:05

character is but then you're like oh no,

22:07

that's. Just you And you know.

22:11

Yeah. It's. It's. It's

22:13

a real sad thing. and like the Napa

22:15

of On that Bogeys exactly exactly. It's really,

22:17

really bums me out net. The nepotism of

22:20

Rob bums me out more. Dave Eggers. It's

22:22

like so many actresses would have done a

22:24

great job with that role and would really

22:26

love to have it. Which I

22:29

know your stepdad is. Antonio Banderas wanted to

22:31

go run some lines of him. Year

22:33

like, get some advice oh no

22:36

or. Yeah. And who

22:38

knows it's other. This is it

22:40

is about Madam Web. I've

22:42

been watching a Letter of Use

22:44

of Exempt sort of like fascinated

22:46

like a car wreck, seeing the

22:48

like terrible reviews decide how bad

22:50

they are but also like it

22:52

annoys the crapper me when people.

22:55

Hate. On the movie for things that

22:58

aren't wrong with it, your enemy and

23:00

right yeah like they they start talking

23:02

about how terrible all the actors are

23:04

and I'm like no is not true

23:07

Like Adam Scott Amazing. I think the

23:09

three spider women. Are. Actually really

23:11

good. And acid. In any

23:13

other movie would have worked well like they're

23:15

not given much to do. That. The

23:17

script has them basically just being like. Like.

23:19

A product could have been one of them, but

23:22

like they go for the sort of like three

23:24

young girls, rebounds and like thousand jokes around and

23:26

stuff. And I am. I think it works. I

23:28

think those the as actresses all showed up. Sydney

23:30

Sweeney was awesome. Like they

23:32

all stood up and did their thing as

23:34

just. Yeah it's just it's

23:36

a filled with the internet is just time to

23:38

sit on every piece of the movie. Instead.

23:41

Of like giving it saw it and I

23:43

I think the movie isn't as bad as

23:45

some people are saying. And but it's

23:47

terrible. I am. That's what's it. Puts me in

23:49

this weird position where I feel like I'm defending

23:51

the movie and I'm like it's bad. Like I

23:53

know it's bad. but out as yeah or no.

23:56

Well I also read Dakota Johnson said that they

23:58

change the entire script or. her after

24:00

she signed her contract. Yeah.

24:03

So that there was a whole different story

24:05

and then she just had to fall

24:08

in line and do whatever this was. Obviously, I have

24:10

no idea what the story was before, but... I

24:13

think Andrew Garfield was going to be in it. It

24:15

was going to be way more Spider-Man face. Yeah, there

24:17

have been rumors of that too. Allegedly.

24:20

Yeah, allegedly. There's

24:24

all kinds of rumors about it, but you

24:26

can just tell something drastically

24:28

different because so many

24:31

lines are poorly ADR'd. The

24:35

character of Zico Sims, the bad guy,

24:37

almost every single line he speaks is

24:39

with his head turned

24:44

away from the camera and the audio, it clearly

24:46

doesn't match the room. You know what I mean?

24:48

Right. Like clearly ADR'd.

24:51

It's an insane amount of ADR,

24:53

and there's also scenes where he just straight up

24:55

his mouth doesn't match what he's saying. It's

24:57

bad. It's really, really bad. Bill Breo

25:00

is telling me about that. I was like, what

25:02

do you mean? How do you get through

25:04

the millions and millions of

25:06

dollars it takes to make a movie and then you

25:08

have people watching it in the final cut? How did

25:10

nobody go, okay, this is terrible? Or did they just

25:12

go, whatever, throw it out there? This is what I

25:14

don't like about Sony. I'm with you.

25:17

I'm unhappy any

25:20

time a movie... So

25:22

much work goes into it. So much money

25:24

goes into it. So many of our eyeballs

25:26

are going to take our time to go

25:28

see it, and they just let certain things

25:30

through that should never get through. They

25:32

should have just started over once they got some of this

25:34

bad stuff going on. I don't know. Yeah.

25:38

They need to do their... When they do

25:40

the showings before they drop stuff out. Sony,

25:42

we are completely willing. Fly us out.

25:45

We'll watch your movie, and we'll let

25:47

you know, and you should listen to

25:49

us. Not even just us.

25:51

Just have a group of people who are fans of the

25:53

thing. I honestly think you should have them in the beginning

25:55

in the writing room, so someone in the background could be

25:57

like, I don't think you should do that. Yeah,

26:00

yeah, yeah one thing

26:02

that really pissed people off and

26:04

a few people I've heard talk about talk about it

26:06

and it didn't bother me like really at all, but

26:08

a lot of people are really pissed off because they

26:10

took the with great power

26:13

come great responsibility and Twisted

26:15

it and Reverse

26:17

responsibility comes great power exactly

26:20

you they didn't say that

26:22

be kidding me. That's not exactly what they

26:24

said She's trying he it could be specific

26:26

to Madame web It's like a whole thing

26:29

one of the characters talking to Madame web and tells her like She's

26:34

worried about trying to save these girls and taking

26:36

on their responsibility He's like, I don't I don't

26:39

want to get involved ball and he's like once

26:42

you take on the responsibility You will

26:44

find great power and like See

26:47

I knew you'd have that reaction and a lot

26:49

of fans had that reaction. I didn't actually I

26:52

think the line is fine I think that line

26:54

it's not the same clearly

26:57

It's an inversion of it, but yeah,

26:59

anyway, we talked about it a lot

27:01

on the last episode But like this

27:03

Scotty felt the same way just guys

27:05

like that. I'm like, oh no, no,

27:07

no Somehow

27:09

we're Madame webbing apparently. Yeah. Yeah, you guys

27:11

are connected Fantastic

27:13

for two. Yeah. Oh man. Well,

27:16

there's some feedback in there. So we'll get to it Madame

27:23

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so I think we'll dive into

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some feedback here. Let's

30:11

do it. I like this one. Serena

30:14

Altair, one of our patrons said, Hey Ashley,

30:16

Matt and Jeff, I've been a listener for

30:18

a bit over a year and have been

30:20

dying to join the Patreon. Oh,

30:23

welcome. Yeah, absolutely. Everything

30:26

is tight, but you guys bring me

30:28

so much joy when you read

30:30

all that Safic content. I

30:34

knew I couldn't wait a minute longer to

30:36

start supporting. Here's to you

30:38

three to Canon Val,

30:40

Val Carol to

30:43

Bishova Kate plus Yelena.

30:46

I like it. And to Ashley

30:49

seeing boobs in the Deadpool trailer. Love

30:52

you 3000. Thank you, Serena.

30:55

I see boobs everywhere. I

30:58

love breasts. She's

31:00

like that little kid from the

31:02

sixth sense, but it's like, I see boobs. I

31:04

see boobs. We were just watching that curb where

31:07

it's, he's doing the fatwas play

31:10

and they bring out the signer

31:12

to be signing during the play

31:14

and she just is gorgeously endowed

31:17

and nobody is watching the play

31:19

and everyone's just watching the

31:21

signer and Larry David's freaking out. And he's

31:23

like, nobody's even watching the fatwas. So

31:26

funny. Because like all the

31:29

women, all everybody, everyone's just staring. So

31:31

good. And then they get her to do

31:33

Susie and Jeff's daughter's wedding. And

31:36

then in the middle, Susie gets up and she's like, you out of

31:38

here. I'm sorry. You need to go cover up.

31:40

Get out. I

31:44

love that show. Did you see, I

31:46

don't know. My,

31:48

it was funny. My algorithm became. Yes.

31:53

But specific boobs. I'm trying to

31:55

remember the artist's name. Crap.

31:58

Very specific boobs. musical

32:00

guest boobs. Boop. Let's

32:02

see how that goes. Let's see how that goes.

32:05

Uh, nope, didn't work out. Britney Spears came up.

32:07

Ah, come on. Who? Yeah,

32:10

yeah. I'm sorry. I had

32:12

some fun on you. But Renee Rap was

32:14

the name. But what

32:17

was so funny is the next

32:19

day my TikTok was

32:21

just Renee Rap

32:24

being watched by

32:26

women. Like that was my TikTok.

32:29

It was just people reacting, women

32:31

reacting with their mouths open to

32:33

Renee Rap dancing around and her

32:37

shirt being open and basically just

32:39

wearing a bra and very

32:41

exposed. She's also apparently in

32:43

the new Mean Girls musical. Yeah.

32:46

Um, which I'd like to see.

32:48

But anyway, so my entire For You page

32:51

was just like that. That

32:53

same video of her dancing around and

32:55

like women responding to it.

32:58

And then I started getting other ones where people

33:00

were going like, just so

33:02

you know, if you've had Renee Rap

33:04

all over your Instagram, it's

33:07

because you're a lesbian. Basically like, so

33:09

somehow my TikTok algorithm thought I was

33:11

a lady first of all and like

33:13

thought that like it was

33:15

feeding me like all these people kept feeding like

33:17

saying like, yeah, that's not that's

33:19

not on everyone's FYP. That's on yours

33:21

because you like women. And I was

33:23

like, I do like women, but like,

33:25

it's funny. It's funny.

33:28

Moral of the story. My algorithm thought I was

33:30

a lesbian apparently. Good. I bet you had some

33:32

good videos. Yeah.

33:35

I want to see that. Have you have you seen the Mean

33:37

Girls musical yet? I haven't yet. I'm going to wait till

33:39

it comes onto like some

33:41

streaming service. And so everybody who doesn't

33:44

know this about me, but Mean Girls is based

33:46

off of my high school. Oh,

33:48

yeah. Tina Fey's from Upper Derby. So

33:51

yeah, so I have a lot

33:53

of ties to the first one and

33:55

it's hard to see a remake, even though Tina is

33:57

so involved. It's a silly thing. I'm like, no, I

33:59

have. But I will see

34:01

it at some point. Yeah. All right. It's just

34:03

like why does that need to be remade? But it's a musical

34:06

so I'll definitely see the musical. Yeah,

34:08

because it is a musical. Oh, yeah I

34:10

didn't know you were so like needing to see

34:12

the musical. I love musicals. Oh, I

34:14

don't think I knew this I

34:17

mean, I knew you liked some musicals. I didn't know it was like a Oh,

34:20

yeah favorite genres though. That's cool. Well,

34:23

thank you. Anyway, Serena again for for joining

34:25

the patreon You know if you guys are

34:27

out there struggling, we don't want you to

34:29

like spend your last dime on

34:31

the patreon But we really appreciate anyone who does

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have the funds and can support like it means

34:35

a lot Yeah, keep sending any feedbacks Serena.

34:37

That was great. Yeah Good

34:40

first one. I love it. Yeah, like that when

34:42

she first did she said here's

34:44

to three of you and then

34:46

she mentioned the three like

34:50

Lesbian content things. Yeah,

34:53

I'm tired of just getting accolades. He is not here

34:57

Let's just talk about that The

35:02

but no the three of them you should

35:04

talk about that she didn't name But the

35:06

first one she said was cannon Val Carol

35:09

and I thought she meant me like I thought she

35:11

was trying to give me a nickname cannon

35:14

like like also I

35:16

love I love cannon and I

35:19

love like can't like Can't I was

35:21

head canning things? Yeah, like I thought she was

35:23

giving me a nickname cannon Val Carol and I

35:25

was like, yeah I'm cool. Yes. I'm

35:27

confused. But and then I started reading like oh, no,

35:29

these are just the things we talked about. Okay,

35:32

got it Let's go.

35:34

Let's get on some Deadpool feedback. We got a

35:36

few people writing about Deadpool Rachel

35:38

Titsworth one of our patrons says hey y'all

35:40

I have some Deadpool plot thoughts after

35:43

seeing the trailer I am

35:45

wondering about what his mission from the

35:47

TVA is and What

35:49

would motivate him to go on the mission?

35:52

Marvel Jesus complex aside I

35:56

What if he has to go back

35:58

in time? of

36:00

the MCU to fix many incursions

36:02

between the Fox universe and ours

36:05

in order to prevent one or both

36:07

from being destroyed and save his friends.

36:10

In the snowy area of the trailer

36:12

it looks like that opening

36:15

battle scene from Ultron. Maybe

36:17

he has to correct something

36:19

with Wanda and Pietro? Maybe

36:22

in WandaVision 2? Not

36:25

sure what other moments would fit into

36:28

this idea other than the end credits

36:30

of the Marvels but that

36:32

came out so recently it would be

36:34

tough to coordinate. But

36:37

it also seems like he is going to

36:39

be fighting the TVA in the trailer too

36:41

so what would change his mind that

36:44

the mission was the right thing to do?

36:46

I'm rarely right on my theories though so

36:48

who knows? Thanks for reading my

36:50

rambling thoughts. I'm pumped for the movie.

36:52

Love y'all 3000. Rachel. You

36:54

know what I just thought of and I would absolutely

36:57

love? What's that? So say Deadpool

36:59

and Wolverine go to Vormir and they

37:01

stop that because if either one of

37:03

those fall off of the cliff they're

37:05

going to long. So how

37:07

does that work? You trick them

37:10

for the gatekeeper because Deadpool loves

37:12

Wolverine so he would have to push Wolverine

37:14

off the cliff and then he would fall

37:16

down there and die for a second and

37:18

then they would hand over the stone or

37:20

whatever and then he would just like gets

37:23

up and I'm like and then I have Scarlet Witch back.

37:27

Please do that. You mean Black Widow back right? No

37:29

yeah Black Widow. Or Gamora.

37:31

That's pretty good. Stop it from happening. Save them both.

37:34

Do it inverted in each one. Eventually

37:36

Wolverine comes around. Wolverine doesn't love him. They would

37:38

need to bring Spider-Man in because Spider-Man and Deadpool love

37:41

each other too and I feel like I saw

37:43

that somewhere but like the Wolverine would,

37:45

we know Wolverine and Deadpool both in this movie.

37:47

Can we please get, oh yeah

37:49

Scarlet Johansson that's what I was doing. Can we please

37:51

get Black Widow back? Yeah. Yeah

37:54

yeah yeah yeah. It is confusing the way that like

37:57

Scarlet Witch, Scarlet Johansson. Yeah,

38:00

that's always weird. There's also like, there's just

38:03

when the names of the real actors mix

38:05

up with the names of the characters. And

38:07

right now we've got Vanessa Kirby coming in

38:09

as a, and like obviously Jack Kirby is

38:12

the guy who like created the, basically for

38:14

it's kind of weird, you know? That is

38:16

weird. Yeah, it's neat. I think no relation,

38:18

but neat. Okay.

38:21

So, first off, Rachel asks, what

38:24

do we think his mission is from

38:26

the TVA? I

38:30

have no idea. I honestly don't have any

38:32

idea either. I have no idea. It's probably going to

38:34

be something very Loki-ish, but it's not like at Loki was like,

38:36

oh, you have to go get your own people. No,

38:39

I take that. I don't even know what it's, I don't know. I

38:41

also don't think he's going to

38:44

act. Yeah, I don't know like

38:46

which way the inversion is going to happen. Like maybe,

38:48

like the classic thing is resist the

38:51

call, right? Like the

38:54

quest giver comes to you with a quest, you

38:56

resist it, and then you have to come around

38:58

to doing the thing you didn't want to do.

39:01

But in Deadpool's case,

39:04

like he doesn't work by normal

39:06

like hero's journey logic at all.

39:09

So it's like, if they

39:11

come to him with the thing, is he just going to like blow

39:13

it off and then eventually come back to it and

39:15

then blow it off again? Or like, is he going

39:17

to like decide he wants to be Marvel

39:20

Jesus, which also that's a whole confusing thing we haven't talked

39:22

about on this show, but I've heard it mentioned out in

39:24

the world. He calls himself Marvel

39:27

Jesus directly to paradox. Who

39:31

who called it Marvel? Right? I thought

39:33

we did talk because I thought that that was weird when we were

39:35

doing our trailer breakdown. Oh, okay. We get the

39:37

Marvel from it was. Yeah. Okay, cool. I

39:39

know we've talked about it like I

39:41

know I know it's been talked about a lot. I didn't think we talked

39:43

about it. But yeah, it's weird. Yeah.

39:46

I mean, we have Captain Marvel. Right.

39:48

Sure. The name is kind of out there. But

39:50

yeah, that is weird. I'm wondering if it's

39:52

even in the movie. Like

39:55

it might just be a funny line they

39:57

did for the trailer, you know, like how

39:59

we. saying that maybe the fox symbols

40:02

not actually in the desert. Yeah,

40:04

I'll be really disappointed if it's not though. Me

40:06

too. I think it's such a funny

40:08

joke. The way they have the trailer cut, he says that

40:11

and then Paradox looks like he hears him

40:13

and responds to it. So that's

40:16

what's tricky because normally Deadpool can say whatever

40:19

he wants about like Hugh Jackman or Fox

40:21

or Disney and he's talking to the camera

40:23

and everyone around him just thinks he's crazy.

40:25

They don't know what he's talking about. He

40:28

said it right to Mr. Darcy, right? Yeah,

40:30

exactly. And he answers because I would have been very

40:32

different if he was like, I'm Marvel Jesus

40:34

and looks at the camera, but he did

40:36

not. No, he's looking directly

40:38

at him and he answers him. So yeah,

40:41

it is weird. If that's actually the movie,

40:43

that is weird. And that means that the

40:45

TVA also knows they're Marvel. There's

40:47

been a bunch of speculation I've heard on other

40:50

other like YouTube channels and stuff about

40:53

like the idea that this could

40:55

be all tied into like Kevin from She-Hulk

40:58

and stuff like

41:01

the robot and like maybe they'll tie all this

41:03

together and like whoever Deadpool

41:05

is talking to and She-Hulk is talking

41:07

to is actually characters out in

41:09

the world and stuff like that. Some

41:12

sort of tie

41:15

into Secret Wars and the Beyonders

41:17

I've heard mentioned. Yeah,

41:19

like I don't know. It's just all this could

41:21

be, could be, but it also just could be

41:23

Deadpool being crazy. And

41:26

the trailer could be cut deceptively. Yeah,

41:29

I don't trust you Marvel. Yeah,

41:32

I don't either. She says, what if she

41:34

goes back into timeline to the MCU to

41:36

fix mini-incursions between Fox Universe and ours? That

41:40

could be cool. And

41:42

that would put him in a bunch

41:44

of the interesting places for the MCU

41:46

like Wandavision. Like when

41:48

the Fox version of

41:50

Quicksilver shows up, like he could be

41:53

like trying to fix whatever she's

41:56

doing when she calls the wrong Quicksilver over

41:58

from the other universe, Oh,

42:00

I have one better. What if he saves Pietro?

42:03

Oh, yeah. Age of Ultron that might

42:05

stop the darkness Wanda

42:07

change, you know? Oh, yeah. There would be somebody

42:09

there for her. Yeah. And then

42:11

we get like a whole other rewrite of who Wanda

42:13

is at this point. Yeah. He

42:16

just start over. Yeah. Well, you and you

42:18

could you could do all kinds of things

42:21

and have these like divergent universes. They could

42:24

in this movie, they could present a new

42:26

Wanda that hasn't have all the trauma like

42:28

or the later trauma. Like what if she

42:30

gets to keep vision or if they get

42:32

to keep picks over and like she doesn't

42:35

create Westview. And then like she's

42:37

just a new character in an alternate timeline

42:39

and Deadpool grabs her and brings her over.

42:42

You know, they could totally do that. Oh,

42:44

it's crazy. I love that. Yeah.

42:48

It would be very Lokiish, you know, like we've talked

42:50

about. And Loki is not exactly our Loki, but

42:52

he is our Loki. Right. Right,

42:54

right, right. Oh, congratulations on Loki

42:56

for winning Best Show

42:59

in some awards show this past weekend. Oh,

43:02

I didn't know. Yeah,

43:04

they won something so good for you guys. Yeah,

43:06

good job winning. I don't know what so we're not sure what

43:09

it was. What in the Emmys, right?

43:11

Like that was no, no, that was I

43:13

think the BAFTA's were last night, but I

43:15

can't imagine that that was on there. Let

43:17

me see. Let me let me look it

43:19

up. People's Choice Award for Best says sci-fi

43:21

fantasy show of 2023. Nice.

43:23

Love. Yeah. So they it was Loki

43:26

American Horror Story Mandalorian Ahsoka

43:30

the Witcher Ghost Secret Invasion and Black Mirror

43:32

and Loki one that's the one that

43:35

is a set of category

43:37

of the ones that I've

43:39

seen. I definitely go with Loki. Even

43:42

though I like the others. Loki's just so good. What

43:44

is Secret Invasion doing there? Was that just like a

43:47

bad them? Yeah, I don't

43:49

know why that's on there. That's that's a terrible idea. Who's

43:52

campaigning for that? Like who's trying

43:54

to get them Disney. Go

43:56

Disney. So what would change his mind

43:58

that the mission was? the right thing to do.

44:00

I think this whole thing is

44:02

going to be based on the way the trailer

44:05

starts with his friends. I think this whole movie

44:07

is going to be him getting on some

44:09

sort of mission and then realizing he needs

44:11

to change his mind because it would actually

44:13

erase his universe. What if he finds out

44:16

the TVA is trying to get him to

44:18

do this job, but then he finds

44:20

out when the job is done, his universe

44:22

will be destroyed. So he wants to save

44:24

his friends. I think that's what his entire

44:26

thing will be about, is saving his

44:28

friends. What if it's Wolverine who

44:30

changes his mind? I mean, Wolverine is a superhero.

44:33

He's a hero. He's not really a bad guy. Sure, yeah. It'll

44:35

be really interesting. I have been thinking about Wolverine as

44:38

just this... I like you that

44:41

you bring that up because I've been thinking about Wolverine as this

44:43

very, I don't know, cartoon character.

44:45

I'm just excited to see those two on

44:47

screen together as a comic book duo, but

44:51

he is also a character and

44:53

he could have actual impact on Deadpool. I think that's

44:55

really fun, but I love that. Yeah, yeah. I like

44:57

that too. I love that.

45:00

Yeah, so I don't know. I like it.

45:02

Thanks, Rachel, for the feedback. I think all those are

45:05

good points and definitely could

45:07

have impact on the entirety of

45:09

the MCU or could create variants

45:12

of people that we never thought that we

45:14

think were gone or whatever. This

45:17

could be a movie that generates

45:20

variants for the upcoming Secret Wars.

45:23

Yeah. Oh, I love that. Let's

45:25

go. Roy

45:27

Galinski says, Hey, Pandas, I just

45:30

listened to the Deadpool trailer podcast

45:32

and noticed something that seemed unclear.

45:34

When being talked to by the

45:37

TVA, you mentioned not being able

45:39

to read Wade's name tag, but

45:43

when I rewatched it, definitely

45:45

said something consultant with

45:47

the first word being very

45:50

unclear. This threw me back to

45:52

Loki when I believe he was

45:54

brought on as a consultant until

45:57

I looked at the bottom of bottom. right

46:00

of the name tag and saw it

46:02

was for Drive Max. Maybe

46:06

Wade's new side job is what has

46:08

made the last few years so hard

46:10

for him. I love the podcast. I

46:12

don't often get into deep

46:14

Marvel conversations, so I look forward to

46:17

the podcast every time something new is

46:19

released. Love you somewhere

46:21

in the low 600 to 900 range, Troy. Right

46:26

back at you, Troy. Yeah, thanks, Troy.

46:30

I'm glad that you caught that

46:32

and wrote it in because I did see some

46:34

other people talk about how you could read it.

46:37

Whatever version we were looking at, you couldn't read the name tag, but

46:40

there are versions where you can read the name tag. And

46:44

yeah, apparently he's a Drive Max employee.

46:47

Yeah, that's fun. I think

46:49

for whatever reason, it looks like Deadpool has

46:51

given up Deadpool-ing. He's not a mercenary anymore.

46:54

Maybe that's what

46:56

his relationship with

46:58

... Maybe he's trying to make his relationship

47:01

work with Vanessa or whatever, but

47:04

he's no longer a mercenary. Did she

47:06

know he was a mercenary? I don't think she did. I

47:09

do think so. I think it came up in

47:11

the first one. Okay. I don't remember.

47:15

By the end of it, she would know. Yeah. Well, by

47:18

the end of it, he isn't

47:20

even a mercenary anymore. By the end of it, he's like a

47:22

... I mean, he is. Deadpool's always

47:24

a merc. But at

47:27

the end, he's just a crazed person

47:29

trying to save ... kill

47:32

that guy to get cured. It's

47:35

just such a weird plot. I love that movie.

47:37

Yeah. It's so good. So

47:40

yeah, I don't know. I

47:43

think the Drive Max thing is just

47:45

that that's what he's been doing lately, like he's done.

47:49

Troy. Yeah. I

47:51

think that's what he's been doing maybe the

47:53

last however long of his life. Now

47:57

the TVA shows up. Maybe

47:59

he's sort of ... sort of a variant, you know? He's like the

48:01

variant, kind of like the Baskin-Robbins

48:03

version of Ant-Man, you know? Right.

48:06

That was just like, yeah, it's kind of like how Ant-Man

48:08

can go work at Baskin-Robbins now. Yeah,

48:10

yeah, yeah. Like, what if we find out that's

48:13

why they came to him? All the other versions

48:15

of Wade were, like, pruned

48:18

because they were causing big problems

48:20

on their respective timelines and he

48:23

survived it because he, like, laid

48:26

low the last few years or something? I don't

48:28

know. I don't know. It's

48:30

fun. Yeah, it's

48:32

fun. No, no, no. Oh,

48:35

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51:12

moving back to some wonderful

51:14

Deadpool feedback that we have on deck.

51:18

Let's see. Christopher Laugle says, Hello,

51:21

Ashley, Jeff and Matt. Thanks

51:23

for all the great content. I'm really enjoying the

51:25

Infinity Saga rewatch. I

51:28

can't take credit for this. I was alerted

51:30

to another small Easter egg in the Deadpool

51:32

trailer in another video. Besides the

51:34

secret word comic at the end is

51:37

that juice bottle first seen in 2008.

51:39

Incredible Hulk. Edward

51:42

Norton's Hulk loses a drop of blood

51:44

in the bottling plant and the Hulk

51:47

blood infused ends up in Stanley's refrigerator

51:49

and he drinks from it. Thanks

51:52

for all you guys do,

51:54

Chris. Oh, wow. I

51:57

didn't know about this connection. Didn't

52:00

he stop that though? Didn't he find the bottle

52:02

where the blood drop was in or was

52:04

that an I don't remember. We

52:07

just watched that movie. God damn it No,

52:09

what you mean you're talking about when edward when edward

52:11

narton He does he stops

52:14

it right? He stops the machine He goes

52:16

down wipes down a couple of the bottles throws

52:18

him out, but he misses one Okay,

52:20

and that one goes to stanley still stanley. Yeah,

52:22

okay um,

52:25

so yeah, totally, uh

52:28

That's a good call. I didn't notice that in the clip and I

52:30

need to like go and watch it right now Uh,

52:33

I need to see that see

52:35

that sitting there. I haven't seen it. Uh Is

52:39

that a juice bottle? Yeah,

52:44

also christopher I really appreciate that when people

52:46

are like I can't take credit for this And

52:49

like admit like when I know when i've read something from

52:51

somewhere I do the same thing I'm not going to come

52:53

in here and be like hey I came up with this

52:55

all on myself and I really appreciate when people do that

52:57

because there's so much stuff on the internet It's

53:00

yeah Yeah, and like,

53:02

you know, I don't know if i've never heard it before I

53:04

can't like claim whatever but yeah

53:06

I don't see a bottle Maybe

53:09

i'm just like christopher sent us a

53:11

screenshot. Uh back in the email same

53:13

shot. Uh as the Um

53:16

as the secret invasion, is that what he says? Um

53:20

besides besides the secret wars

53:23

Comic at the end. See i'm looking right

53:25

at it. I do not it or does

53:27

he mean besides? Oh it is No, no,

53:29

it is. It's laying on top of the

53:31

comic but it's really It's

53:33

like almost it's so uh, I thought the

53:35

comic was ripped and and and stretch But

53:38

it's actually part of the bottle that's sitting

53:40

on top of the comic book on the

53:42

left Um, I cannot tell that

53:44

that's the same cola

53:46

from Uh that but I bet

53:48

you're right. Um Wow,

53:50

that's cool Yeah,

53:53

thanks. Thanks christopher. Yeah, good call. Good call.

53:55

I have not heard that yet Up

53:58

next emily daniel Nelson says,

54:01

hey everyone, I'm a long time listener,

54:03

but I think this is only my

54:05

second time writing in. I

54:07

always think of what I'd want to say

54:09

while driving slash listening and then forget. But

54:12

I remembered this time. I was

54:15

listening to the Deadpool trailer coverage that you

54:17

guys did and I remembered an interview that

54:19

I saw with Ryan Reynolds today that

54:22

maybe alludes to the snow setting

54:24

in the trailer. I'd be totally

54:26

on board with the Age of

54:28

Ultron plot, but the interview with

54:30

Ryan made it seem like they

54:33

had to film during the fall

54:35

and winter more than

54:37

anticipated due to the strike pushing back

54:39

production times. They filmed a lot in

54:41

the UK. He referenced

54:44

temps and how hard

54:46

it was to find good weather in

54:48

the UK outside of the summertime. He

54:51

also said they tried not to do

54:54

it all on sound stages whenever possible.

54:56

The combo was not focused on locations.

54:59

I think it was more about his

55:01

suit. But his

55:04

comments along with your guys' combo about

55:06

Age of Ultron made me wonder if

55:08

the snowy setting was

55:10

just the side effects of those

55:12

delays. Mmm, interesting. Just

55:15

wanted to throw that out there to make

55:17

it even more unpredictable. I

55:19

love it, Emily. Interesting. Yeah. I

55:22

feel like it just looks so similar. I

55:24

mean snow and pine trees look similar everywhere,

55:26

let's be serious. But I don't think that

55:28

they would... I don't know. I

55:31

don't know what to think. I would assume that

55:33

they wouldn't make something look so similar unless there

55:36

was a reason. Yeah. Um,

55:39

I saw somewhere else, someone

55:42

post, they thought

55:44

this looked like Logan's, the

55:47

area Logan died in, which

55:50

I don't agree at all. No.

55:52

Unless, yeah, which I could

55:55

see that being an idea. I

55:57

mean, unless they don't, unless they're not worried about

55:59

time. Like it is it

56:01

is a forest, but that yeah anyway. I

56:03

don't know No,

56:07

it's not snowy at all now. It could be a different

56:09

time like maybe he goes to where Logan's

56:11

body is and like oh came got here too

56:13

late or something you know like I

56:16

don't know but Yeah

56:20

Golly, I'm watching the scene where Logan

56:23

dies right now Just see what those

56:25

I saw that somebody post that and I was like

56:27

I don't think that's right because that doesn't to me

56:29

Look like the same area at all and

56:32

yeah sure enough. It does not but yeah, I do think

56:34

it looks very similar to the Ultron Stuff

56:37

and they showed it the Ultron stuff. I

56:39

don't know what do you mean? They showed it you know they showed it

56:41

in the TV Yeah, oh yeah, that's true.

56:44

You know what I really love about Emily C

56:46

back though Is that she's like just

56:48

to make it more unpredictable? And I

56:50

love that because like I saw what exactly what I do whenever

56:52

I see something in a trailer That's like oh,

56:54

I think that reveals too much about this

56:56

movie I always like do some sort of

56:58

weird head canning to be like okay, or

57:00

it could be this like you know I

57:05

Like not knowing what's going on yeah me

57:07

too make it yeah, I mean what will we be

57:09

doing here if they didn't do that? Yeah,

57:11

we got it. We got a not know we got a we

57:14

can't if we knew we'd be like you know We would

57:16

have you need to talk about Okay

57:21

now let's read let's read it some madam

57:23

web Yeah Andre sparks another

57:25

one of our patrons has some madam web feedback

57:28

Save to the end because I know some of you guys don't care

57:30

as much about my web I think I Honestly

57:33

think that movies gonna stick with me is the thing

57:35

like it had some cool things And I feel like

57:37

it's gonna stick with me in a way that like

57:40

some movies don't so like that's kind of like

57:42

It's making me think about it a lot and

57:45

like even though it's bad.

57:47

There's just something. Yeah, I don't know There's

57:49

good. There's good moments. I think Andre sparks has even

57:51

more positive feedback here about let's see well He's such

57:53

a contrarian. I'm over it What

57:56

Andre yeah, you mean contrarian

57:58

to see does he? If everybody knew

58:00

that this movie is going to be bad and I'm reading

58:02

his first line, it's better than the Fantastic Four 2015. I'm

58:06

like, I can't say that because when that movie came out, sure

58:08

it was bad back then, but we all didn't think it was

58:10

that bad back then because we didn't have too much more to

58:12

compare to. I liked that movie when it came

58:15

out, to be honest. You're talking about the 2015

58:17

one with the trend? Yeah, when those first

58:19

came out, they were cute. They weren't great. I remember being like,

58:21

oh, yeah. Are you talking about Josh Frank's version? Are you talking

58:23

about the old version? Are you talking about the 90s version or

58:25

the 2000s version? The first line that he wrote here, the 2015. He's

58:28

saying that Madame Web is better than the 2015 version.

58:31

Well, but you said them. I'm trying to make sure you're

58:33

talking about the right, because there's two different Fantastic Fours. The

58:36

2015 one is the one that's Fant

58:38

Four Stick that had like- Yeah, with

58:40

the guy who's from my town and

58:42

Kate Mara. Miles Teller and Kate Mara. Yeah.

58:46

I don't think

58:48

that is very like ... I'm

58:51

glad you liked it. No hate on you, but

58:53

that one is very, very like, best at the

58:55

time, I remember. Oh, I know. It

58:57

totally was. People hated that one. It's not that I

58:59

loved it. I just thought that it

59:01

was like a different telling of the story. I

59:04

know that they had to keep making movies to be able

59:06

to keep the- License. ... the rights

59:08

to it. Yeah. I'm like, if

59:10

you're going to do it, do something weird. Yeah.

59:14

All right. I love Miles Teller. I dig

59:16

it. I dig it. I don't know how I feel

59:18

about this one versus that. I do think that Josh

59:20

Frank movie was better directed

59:23

... I've only seen it

59:25

once. I saw it once and it didn't stick with me. So

59:29

I can't defend it greatly. But I do think

59:31

that, to me, that one was better directed. But

59:34

yeah. And probably better acted.

59:36

There's better actors in that movie. But yeah.

59:39

I think the actors in Fanned

59:41

4 Stick from 2015, I think they are actually

59:44

trying. I don't think that ... I think the

59:46

movie has its flaws, but I don't think it's

59:48

because people aren't trying. Yeah.

59:50

Yeah. I think there's some meddling from the

59:52

studio and stuff, but those ... To me, the biggest sin

59:56

of Madame Webb is

59:58

that Dakota Johnson just ... doesn't

1:00:00

feel like she's trying like at all and

1:00:03

it's a real bummer but anyway okay let's

1:00:05

hear what Andre has to say Andre Sparsman

1:00:07

of a patron says hey guys just saw

1:00:10

madam web it's better than fans of Fantastic

1:00:12

Four from 2015 was this

1:00:15

the best movie no but it's nowhere

1:00:17

near the bottom of movies in my

1:00:19

opinion I thought

1:00:21

they did a lot of setup for Cassandra Webb

1:00:23

they

1:00:26

pause right there and just say I didn't know

1:00:28

her name honestly didn't know her name and her

1:00:30

web no I had no idea what her name

1:00:32

was from the comics like when

1:00:34

she first is like the she doesn't introduce herself

1:00:36

early in the movie it's like look toward the

1:00:39

very middle of the movie she says my name

1:00:41

is Cassie Webb and I was like that's a

1:00:43

terrible name for this character I don't like it

1:00:45

at all like well Cassandra

1:00:47

is from it's like a grease you know

1:00:49

the Grecian she could see the future and

1:00:51

the entire like community turned against her and

1:00:53

killed that's why I always thought I always

1:00:55

like cuz you know madam web because of

1:00:57

that hole I think Cassandra Webb sounds

1:01:00

so much better but Cassie Webb sounds just really

1:01:02

I don't know I really don't like it I

1:01:04

didn't like it at all what I heard it

1:01:06

in the movie but yeah I hear you I

1:01:08

like the literary reference but yeah

1:01:13

okay I thought they did a lot to

1:01:15

set up Cassandra Webb definitely

1:01:17

showed growth through the movie

1:01:19

and by the end ended

1:01:21

up being what I know her

1:01:24

to be from the 90s animated series I

1:01:26

don't know anything about her comic

1:01:28

book origins but in the Spider-Man

1:01:30

animated series she definitely seemed dry

1:01:32

but with a little wit and

1:01:35

humor decoded may not be the best

1:01:37

but maybe she was the best to

1:01:39

portray the character I also

1:01:42

think the movie did a good job with

1:01:44

her powers this is just

1:01:46

an origin story so obviously her powers can

1:01:48

evolve I

1:01:50

will say I did think while watching

1:01:52

this movie once she

1:01:54

becomes madam Webb and has the sort

1:01:56

of like I'm

1:01:59

disconnected did and not present. You know what I

1:02:01

mean? I'm seeing the

1:02:03

future all the time. I could see

1:02:06

Dakota Johnson's performance fitting that. She

1:02:09

is so dry and doesn't feel

1:02:11

present. Maybe she was going

1:02:13

for like, but I don't think so. I do

1:02:15

think that what he's saying is fair, that

1:02:18

she might play a better Madame Web

1:02:20

than she did Cassandra Web or whatever.

1:02:22

Yeah, she was probably the least expensive.

1:02:25

Get real. Who was?

1:02:27

Dakota Johnson? Dakota, yeah. Of

1:02:30

the people who didn't want to probably do this movie

1:02:32

and of all of them, they were like, oh, God,

1:02:34

because I mean, honestly, what is she doing right now?

1:02:36

Not much. Right. But

1:02:38

you have to go into casting and what goes into making

1:02:41

movies to decide that, you know, it's not that she was

1:02:43

the best to portray it. It was probably the best that

1:02:45

was within their budget of someone who wanted to actually do

1:02:47

it. Right. Yeah.

1:02:50

All right. He continues. I

1:02:53

also appreciated that Sydney Sweeney got to

1:02:55

portray someone different. Yes. What

1:02:57

does he mean by that? If you're

1:02:59

talking about her movie catalog and

1:03:01

TV show catalog, she has played

1:03:03

some pretty different roles. Okay.

1:03:06

I don't know her catalog very well, so I can't say.

1:03:09

Euphoria, she's amazing on. I've seen her in that.

1:03:11

She was amazing in the White Lotus. And then

1:03:13

she was in this one where she was like

1:03:15

a killer or like being accused of murder. I

1:03:18

think that one was called Reality. Yeah. So

1:03:21

she has been growing and showing her like

1:03:23

active chops. So I don't think that of

1:03:26

all her movie catalog, that Madam

1:03:28

Web shows her different style of

1:03:30

actors. But I didn't say it.

1:03:32

So continue. Yeah. I

1:03:35

also appreciated Sydney Sweeney got to portray something

1:03:38

different. Yes, she could have just been the

1:03:41

hot superhero, but she got to

1:03:43

actually be someone who got to

1:03:45

grow and change throughout the movie.

1:03:47

So Sydney Sweeney's character in the movie, this is just me

1:03:49

talking, is...

1:03:54

I hear what Andre is saying. I don't know if I agree with

1:03:56

him. They

1:03:59

try to get... She has the most growth

1:04:02

of any of the three characters,

1:04:04

the three spider women, the three

1:04:06

young girls or whatever. But

1:04:10

it's like she starts the movie

1:04:12

as a nerd and

1:04:14

is like, you know, it feels

1:04:17

stereotypical. It

1:04:21

feels so freaking stereotypical. So they

1:04:23

give her glasses and a sweater

1:04:25

and she's shy. Well, she's

1:04:27

not. That's like what they did with Andrew

1:04:29

Garfield when they had him be Spider-Man. They're like, Spider-Man's

1:04:31

supposed to be that kind of nerdy kind of whatever.

1:04:34

And I'm glad they didn't really do it with

1:04:36

Tom Holland because like I can't, I'm too old

1:04:38

to be like he's hot Spider-Man, but I wasn't

1:04:40

for Andrew Garfield. And I'm like, yeah, that guy's

1:04:42

hot. What are you doing? Or even Clarky, you

1:04:45

know, it's Superman when they just put those glasses

1:04:47

on Henry Cavill. I will

1:04:49

say they do at least try to give her some

1:04:51

lines where she's like being super

1:04:53

nerdy. Like she's like, yeah, if we do this,

1:04:55

we did it. This will happen. And

1:04:58

like she just has some like kind of

1:05:00

sciencey sort of nerdiness to her. And

1:05:02

then the influence of the other girls around her, they sort

1:05:04

of bring her out of her shell. But

1:05:07

the problem is the movie doesn't show it well. And

1:05:10

there's a moment where she's like the shy girl who doesn't

1:05:12

want to go up and talk to the boys. Like there's

1:05:14

a table of boys and they want to go talk to

1:05:16

the boys. And she's like, no, I

1:05:18

don't want to. I don't want to. And then

1:05:20

she kind of grabs her hands and then she

1:05:22

like grabs her sweater and ties it up so

1:05:25

her midriff is showing and she's like, no, come

1:05:27

talk to the boys with me. And she's like,

1:05:29

what are you doing to me? It's like a

1:05:31

really like not

1:05:33

functional scene. I don't know. But

1:05:36

the really terrible part is those then they cut away

1:05:38

to Madam Webb doing her

1:05:41

thing. Right. Mm hmm.

1:05:43

And then when Madam Webb finally comes in the diner, they're

1:05:46

on the table in the diner

1:05:48

dancing for the boys at

1:05:51

their table. Like she

1:05:53

came out of her shell real fast.

1:05:56

Someone gave her an apple martini. I

1:06:00

I hear what Audrey's saying they do get she has

1:06:03

the most to grow in the movie of anybody Or

1:06:06

it will of the three of you

1:06:08

Jessica Drew Is

1:06:10

she Jessica Drew? I thought she was supposed to be Jessica

1:06:12

Drew who's my favorite spider woman I don't even know to

1:06:14

be honest. No Sydney Sweeney

1:06:16

played Julia carpenter Okay,

1:06:19

so Jessica Drew wasn't even in there. Sydney Sweeney

1:06:21

is Julia

1:06:23

Cornwell is a bell

1:06:25

my Mar said is Anya Corazon and

1:06:29

Celeste O'Connor is Maddie Franklin which

1:06:31

are all versions of spider Like

1:06:33

two of them are spider woman and one of

1:06:35

them is something else a spider related Yeah,

1:06:38

that's crazy. Even if you look it up. It says

1:06:40

like she's supposed to be Jessica Drew So I don't know where

1:06:42

they fell off with that. Oh, I have no

1:06:44

idea I've no idea but so

1:06:47

they give her they give her room room to try

1:06:49

to move and it's like cuz like even now I'm

1:06:51

talking About Andres feedback like I wrote him back I

1:06:53

was like I'm glad to hear other people found some

1:06:55

positives in this movie But even me and him like

1:06:57

kind of disagree about what is a positive this movie.

1:06:59

So it's like yeah Well, he likes Secret Evasion. He

1:07:01

was coming at people for like disliking that I'm just

1:07:03

like are you doing this on purpose? I

1:07:07

think I don't know. It seems like Andre just has

1:07:09

like a Generally, he's

1:07:11

trying he's there to enjoy it, you know, and I am

1:07:13

too like I feel him I feel like I get that

1:07:16

way sometimes where I'm like, I'm really trying to enjoy everything

1:07:18

So sometimes I feel like I'm being a contrarian When

1:07:21

I really am just like trying to see

1:07:23

the best in these things, you know I

1:07:26

don't want to say he's like is Not

1:07:29

being honest about it or anything See

1:07:32

now yes, could the movie

1:07:34

have been better with spider-man in it

1:07:36

or other villains? Yes, but if Madame

1:07:39

web ends up helping somehow in the

1:07:41

spider-verse or Secret Wars the Madame web

1:07:44

Then Madame web could be a very powerful

1:07:46

hero I think that's the point

1:07:48

of this movie introduced an important character that

1:07:50

could be in a team up later I

1:07:53

think they didn't have a post-credits scene

1:07:55

in her movie because she will pop up

1:07:57

at the end of spider-man 4 with

1:08:01

Maguire and Garfield to

1:08:03

recruit him for Secret Wars. Matt,

1:08:05

I also loved seeing Uncle Ben

1:08:07

and Mary Parker, also hearing about

1:08:09

Richard. Parker definitely

1:08:11

makes me think he is in

1:08:13

the CIA or SHIELD. Definitely

1:08:16

the most screen time ever

1:08:18

for both of those characters. If

1:08:21

you had the choice, would you want

1:08:24

the Sony Spider-Women to show up

1:08:26

in Secret Wars for a formal,

1:08:28

or a formal Spider-Man movie? Off

1:08:31

to prep for X-Men 97, peace easy, Andre. Who,

1:08:36

would we want to see these Spider-Women in

1:08:38

a formal Spider-Man movie? I'm gonna

1:08:40

say no, because I'm not ready. I

1:08:42

need my more down-to-earth Spider-Man movie to

1:08:44

come next. Yeah. And

1:08:47

it's like we got the Maguire-Garfield thing, like appreciate what

1:08:49

we got and let it go. Just because we saw

1:08:51

that that happened in, you know, Far

1:08:54

From Home or whatever one it is, I mean,

1:08:56

like they're coming back to do this over and

1:08:58

over and over again. I think

1:09:01

if anything, these, if we

1:09:03

see these people again, I do not think it will be in

1:09:05

the MCU. I think

1:09:07

it will be in Sony's version of

1:09:09

whatever they're trying to build. I

1:09:15

don't know if I want to see them in those

1:09:17

movies. It's hard to know because I think this movie

1:09:20

is such a mess that

1:09:23

it's really hard to know if these characters have

1:09:25

potential beyond this. Like those three, I

1:09:28

really, they were the three of the shining things.

1:09:30

It's like Adam Scott and those three girls, I

1:09:32

think, did a good job in their

1:09:34

movie, in the movie. Like they put the effort

1:09:37

in, they were trying to, and

1:09:39

sorry, those three women as actresses, I keep calling them girls

1:09:41

because in the movie they're supposed to be like 15, but

1:09:44

they're not at all. We're a little older than everybody else.

1:09:46

They're still girls to me. You're a

1:09:48

girl until you're 40. Well,

1:09:53

and I know we haven't talked about this, but

1:09:55

that's one of my biggest complaints of this movie

1:09:57

is one of the major dynamics of the movie

1:10:00

to be these three high school

1:10:02

kids are meeting up with

1:10:04

this older lady who has these powers and

1:10:06

she's supposed to be protecting them. But

1:10:10

the age difference is only six years or eight

1:10:12

years or something like that between like

1:10:15

Sydney Sweeney and Dakota Johnson. It's not that

1:10:17

wide. Yeah. And so they have

1:10:19

all these jokes in the movie about like, it's

1:10:21

kind of like this okay boomer type lines. And

1:10:23

Dakota Johnson just doesn't pull off old and they

1:10:26

don't pull off young. Right. They

1:10:28

don't look like they're in high school. She doesn't look like she's 40 and

1:10:31

it just doesn't work. It's

1:10:34

weird. Like she's older in the

1:10:36

comics. I mean, she's got like the gray hair

1:10:38

and you know, not that that makes you old.

1:10:40

Everybody gets, you know, but you know, I think

1:10:42

you're supposed to know that she's older and I'm

1:10:44

surprised that they didn't like get K Blanchett. Stop

1:10:46

messing around. Let's bring some real talent in. I

1:10:49

think that would have been this movie 10,000 times

1:10:52

better if they had just picked an

1:10:54

actress. They weren't trying to go

1:10:56

with like, I don't know, youth and hotness

1:10:58

of Dakota Johnson and they tried to

1:11:01

go with like someone who's been

1:11:03

around a while who's actually in

1:11:05

their 40s or something and like,

1:11:07

and then, you know, maybe go

1:11:09

younger with the actresses as

1:11:11

well. But I think, like I said, I think the actress

1:11:13

did a good job. It is like really noticeable that they're

1:11:15

not 15 though. Oh yeah.

1:11:17

Oh yeah. That's why Euphoria

1:11:19

is kind of funny because you're watching Euphoria

1:11:21

like Jacob Elordi, you know,

1:11:23

Sydney Sweeney, Zendaya, you're like, you guys are

1:11:26

not 18. Zendaya pulls it off because she's

1:11:28

got that young baby face. But

1:11:30

everybody else, like as the season, even by season two,

1:11:32

you can see a definite like step

1:11:35

up of the age. But even that, like, like

1:11:37

they said, Sydney Sweeney and Euphoria is paying

1:11:40

like 18. What's

1:11:42

like 17, 18. Like it's like eight years

1:11:44

later since Euphoria started. When did Euphoria start? Like

1:11:47

20, 18, 20. It's been a while,

1:11:49

a while. So yeah, she was young.

1:11:52

So her pulling off that show, I don't know

1:11:55

when it was released. Her

1:11:57

pulling off. This

1:12:00

has been five years. Like,

1:12:03

she is five years older now, and in this movie

1:12:05

it felt like they were making her out to be-

1:12:07

She's supposed to be underage for sure. Like, she's under

1:12:09

18, because like, part of the plot is that the

1:12:12

cops think that Madam Web kidnapped these three

1:12:14

girls. Oh. She's

1:12:17

26. Yeah. So she

1:12:19

was like 21. Maybe probably 20

1:12:21

when she actually was like, starring

1:12:24

in the first season of Euphoria. Like,

1:12:26

okay. She's 34. She's younger than I thought,

1:12:28

or she's a man. Yeah. Aim is

1:12:31

so old! I'm in a hold of my eye. I

1:12:33

could've played Madam Web. Yeah.

1:12:35

Kath Ashley is Madam Web. Yeah, do it.

1:12:37

I'll change her. I'll fix your movie. We

1:12:42

have the same hair. Yeah.

1:12:44

It's not too far off. You're our

1:12:46

Madam Web. I

1:12:50

can see the future. Yeah. For sure. Yeah,

1:12:52

you got those witchy powers over there. Thank

1:12:56

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Yeah, stop being a swan. monster

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oh man so uh

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well we got we got

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we got a few more feedbacks in here we

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could grab from from these various places we got

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some low-key in here and I haven't really sorted

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anymore let's see like how about

1:16:23

you guys we got one echo feedback

1:16:25

left let's get that one about it

1:16:27

sure yeah the blurred wire

1:16:29

says so I finished echo overall

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I think it was a little disappointing

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we didn't get more Daredevil and I

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heard that echo was still supposed to

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be a villain and I didn't really

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get that like I think the series

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would have been super cool if we

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started out with Kingpin offering echo the

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Queenpin gig and she decided to take

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it so she can force him out

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throughout the series she'd get she'd

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fight Daredevil while secretly turning

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Kingpin's guys on him at the

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end she could have forced

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him out and she'd be the new Queenpin

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and now Kingpin seeking power decides

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to run for mayor with

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some of his loyal gangs just a thought

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I I would have

1:17:16

loved to see Maya as a villain with

1:17:19

flashbacks to her past PS for

1:17:21

Ashley I know Madam Webb looks pretty

1:17:23

bad but I'm probably going to see

1:17:25

it too I'd recommend

1:17:27

watching the high note with

1:17:30

Gracie Ellis Ross beforehand

1:17:32

Dakota Johnson is actually pretty good in

1:17:34

that movie I mean I highly doubt

1:17:36

it but I'll take your word for

1:17:38

it I've seen a lot of her

1:17:40

films I got a lot of those

1:17:42

messages when we were talking about

1:17:44

going to see Madam Webb or whatever I got

1:17:46

a lot of like oh you don't like to

1:17:49

go Johnson but check this one out like and

1:17:51

then a lot of them were ones that had you know I

1:17:54

see a couple yeah oh no I came

1:17:56

right back at people like was she the best part

1:17:58

of that movie or did she just have a stat

1:18:00

cast around her like Jason Segal and that other

1:18:02

movie where she I believe she has Cancer

1:18:04

or something. It's called like my best friend and

1:18:07

that movie It's not that's not what it's called

1:18:09

But it's something like that and it's like these

1:18:11

two guy best friends have you know

1:18:13

Are this couple has a best friend who's like

1:18:15

a guy and you know They start going through

1:18:17

this really hard time when she gets cancer and

1:18:19

the two of them like start working together to

1:18:22

like take care of Her and that movie. Yeah

1:18:24

is really an emotional movie But could you have

1:18:26

swapped Dakota Johnson out with any other character actor

1:18:28

right? 100% yeah, you know probably

1:18:30

similarly Peanut

1:18:33

Butter Falcon I really like But

1:18:36

it's not for her, you know, like that

1:18:38

movie's great and she's fine in it. She's

1:18:40

serviceable bull Serviceable, but like

1:18:42

she's yeah, I don't know. It just seems

1:18:45

like she Particularly

1:18:48

in Madam Web, it feels like

1:18:50

she just feels like it's beneath her

1:18:52

or something Yeah, I get

1:18:54

why she'd feel that way as

1:18:56

like someone who has like, you know Nepo

1:18:59

baby Hollywood royalty for parents Like she wants to

1:19:01

be in the movie that like gets her the

1:19:03

most respect and this is not gonna be that

1:19:05

movie and especially But it like it

1:19:08

could have been if she put the kind of

1:19:10

effort in to make it that Yeah,

1:19:12

maybe she was trying I'm telling you. She's just got one

1:19:14

of those la zai fair kind

1:19:17

of meh, right? Yeah

1:19:20

So Bill Bria said that there is a movie

1:19:22

that premiered at Sundance. I don't believe it was

1:19:24

this year I think it was last year that

1:19:27

still never got bought that he said was with

1:19:29

her and I believe it's it's It's

1:19:31

a lesbian kind of movie. I don't I'm so sorry. I don't

1:19:33

know what the plots are if I find out I'll next

1:19:36

week I'll elaborate but

1:19:38

he said that that was actually an

1:19:41

Insanely good movie and she really showed her

1:19:44

acting chops, but it's weird that no one

1:19:46

has bought the film Hmm

1:19:48

to produce it. Yeah, I'll find out what the

1:19:50

title was from him Weird.

1:19:53

Okay. What do you think about this

1:19:55

idea of? Like

1:19:58

the movie being a little more focused on

1:20:00

the, or Echo, the series

1:20:02

being a little more focused on

1:20:05

her becoming queenpin and trying to.

1:20:07

Totally disagree. Daredevil. We

1:20:09

need, this was, it wasn't an origin story for her,

1:20:12

but it also was her origin story. And they said

1:20:14

that this show was gonna exist

1:20:16

on the outskirts of the actual MCU having

1:20:18

to watch stuff. So I wanted this to

1:20:20

be just really about her. See,

1:20:22

if you would have had Daredevil in it for too

1:20:24

long, it would have been stealing focus. He was in

1:20:27

it enough to show that she could go toe to

1:20:29

toe with him, which I think was all we really

1:20:31

needed to see to know her power levels. If it

1:20:33

would have just have been about the, you know, who

1:20:35

says that that is not coming, you know? Yeah.

1:20:38

That that exact thing that you just described

1:20:40

isn't coming. Yeah. We don't know that

1:20:42

yet. Could be the next chapter. Yeah. Absolutely.

1:20:45

And I do, I do, I did not hear

1:20:47

that she was supposed to be still

1:20:49

a villain exactly. And I know in

1:20:51

the comics that she's not exactly a

1:20:53

hero. I never got that message in

1:20:56

the marketing or anything. But

1:20:59

she definitely didn't have villain vibes. I mean, like, I

1:21:01

think she's, she doesn't, she's not a hero for the

1:21:03

first big chunk of this movie, but

1:21:05

she's not really a villain, I would say. You know

1:21:07

what makes me think about that? The

1:21:10

scene when she hurts the bird. I

1:21:12

feel like that was kind of to kind of show

1:21:14

us like she does even at that young kind of

1:21:16

had that, a different

1:21:18

streak in her. I don't know. I

1:21:21

feel like the more I thought about that scene where the bird gets

1:21:23

hurt and then she goes and then she lies about it. And then

1:21:25

she tells the truth. It just shows like, I

1:21:27

don't know, there's something, I don't know.

1:21:29

I feel like that scene was meant

1:21:32

more than just like, it

1:21:34

was supposed to, you know, just in December. Oh, you

1:21:36

know, we're showing that their mom has the powers and

1:21:38

this and that. Right. I don't think it meant

1:21:40

more, but I took it as to mean, she

1:21:44

was curious enough and like challenged

1:21:46

herself and this like hunting this bird

1:21:48

and then she got it.

1:21:50

But then her empathy immediately like overtook

1:21:53

her and wanted to run to get help. You

1:21:55

know what I mean? So like, I think that

1:21:57

was showing like I think that scene is supposed

1:21:59

to. to be juxtaposed against the scene later with

1:22:01

the ice cream man or whatever it is, or

1:22:03

the hot dog vendor or whatever he is on

1:22:05

the street when Kingpin

1:22:08

beats him up because she sees a

1:22:11

bird injured and wants to see it helped. And

1:22:13

then later she sees that man injured. But

1:22:15

it's after she's gone through all this trauma and then

1:22:18

she's just like... Yeah, well the bird didn't do anything

1:22:20

to her the way that that guy did. Sure. I

1:22:22

would kick that guy in the face too. But she

1:22:24

has that... I feel

1:22:27

like the villains don't get enough attention.

1:22:30

I don't know. I really kind of like,

1:22:32

let her be a villain. Let her be in the middle, maybe.

1:22:35

Like a punisher. Yeah, yeah. I mean,

1:22:37

I'm all on board for her having more of

1:22:39

a complex story and everything. Or become the Queenpin.

1:22:41

I love that. I would be so down.

1:22:44

Yeah, it's cool. It's cool. All

1:22:46

right. Let's hit a couple of lowkey ones

1:22:48

just because it's my favorite. Let's

1:22:51

do it. Emma Hunter says, oh

1:22:53

my. I'm trying to comprehend what

1:22:55

I just watched and I'm thinking, hey, no

1:22:57

post credits. That's surprising. And then it

1:22:59

hits me. Oh my God. We

1:23:02

didn't get a lowkey will return at the

1:23:04

end. We had Captain America will return. We

1:23:06

had Star-Lord will return. Meanwhile,

1:23:08

it seems that lowkey will just

1:23:10

remain. I

1:23:13

need to lie down now. Thanks for

1:23:15

everything for all time always, Emma from

1:23:17

England. Yeah,

1:23:19

yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's...

1:23:22

That is rough. That is sad. That

1:23:25

is a bummer to think about not getting any

1:23:27

lowkey back. I refuse

1:23:29

to accept Erignot. Like no, we're

1:23:32

definitely at some point. Come on, Tommy Hidds.

1:23:36

I think if we

1:23:39

move towards something like Secret Wars and it

1:23:41

like... And the

1:23:43

MCU gets its cachet back a little bit. I think

1:23:45

some of these actors who really do, they keep saying

1:23:47

these things about how they're feel protective of their characters

1:23:49

and all this stuff. And some of them, I think,

1:23:51

they're hearing the bad press and stuff and they're going

1:23:53

like, ooh, is Marvel losing a step?

1:23:55

Maybe I don't want to do it. But I think

1:23:58

if we see a little bit of recovery with Deadpool

1:24:00

and... Wolverine, then

1:24:02

we'll start to see some of those people come back.

1:24:06

Yeah. For Secret Wars at

1:24:08

least. Steven Liles says,

1:24:10

hey y'all, I just had a major plot

1:24:12

hole for Loki season two pop into my

1:24:15

head. If Loki removed

1:24:17

all other Lokis from existence slash

1:24:19

the timeline in episode one, then

1:24:21

how is Sylvie able to

1:24:23

still exist? For all time

1:24:26

always, Steven with a V. Um.

1:24:30

What? I don't remember

1:24:32

Loki removing all other Lokis from existence.

1:24:34

Me neither. And if he

1:24:37

did, he wouldn't remove Sylvie. Yeah.

1:24:40

I don't know what you're talking about, Steven.

1:24:42

I'm sorry. Uh, please write

1:24:44

it in and remind us. And I'll, I'll, if you write it in and

1:24:47

remind us, I will check out the episode again, but I

1:24:49

do not remember anything with him erasing

1:24:51

all other Lokis. No. That

1:24:53

seems like that would have been a big thing to remember. If

1:24:59

Loki removed all other Lokis from

1:25:01

existence slash the timeline. Um.

1:25:04

In episode one of what season two? Or

1:25:06

is he saying plot hole for

1:25:08

season two? Is he

1:25:10

saying, I think maybe he's, that's how he, maybe

1:25:12

that's what he means when

1:25:14

Loki takes over the throne. Like Loki's removing

1:25:17

himself from the timeline, but I don't think

1:25:19

that's true. I think that's just this Loki

1:25:21

is sitting at the

1:25:23

center of the Idrisill world tree.

1:25:26

Um, and all the other Lokis

1:25:28

are still out there. Yeah.

1:25:31

I did not think that as anything,

1:25:33

but yeah, let us know if we miss it. We're

1:25:35

missing something. Um, the wholesome says

1:25:38

what an episode. I hate to say

1:25:40

it, but this, uh, but

1:25:42

I don't think Loki and Thor

1:25:44

are getting their reunion anytime soon.

1:25:47

I'm happy, uh, for Mobius and

1:25:49

boy was I getting chills from

1:25:51

Jonathan majors. I liked hearing about

1:25:53

the six one six adjacent realm,

1:25:55

I E quantum mania. Um,

1:25:57

curious to hear your thoughts. for

1:26:00

all time, for

1:26:02

all lowkey time always, wholesome.

1:26:07

Well, you better enjoy those chills while they lasted. Yeah,

1:26:10

yeah, that's true. Not likely to

1:26:12

get any more Johnson Major's chills

1:26:14

from this universe. No. And

1:26:17

I agree. I really like the callout

1:26:19

to the 616 adjacent universe. Which

1:26:23

realm, which does give us a little

1:26:25

bit of an answer about the quantum

1:26:28

realm being 616 adjacent.

1:26:32

So it is a realm that is adjacent to 616, not inside

1:26:34

616. Kind

1:26:36

of like we talked about, but does that

1:26:39

mean it's also adjacent to other universes, and

1:26:41

that's how they travel through them? I'm

1:26:43

guessing. That's my guess. Yeah,

1:26:47

sure. Still hold on to that theory. Yeah.

1:26:50

All right. Well, I just

1:26:53

want to throw in a couple of lowkeys because they're fun. Yeah.

1:26:55

But yeah, that's about all from us today.

1:26:58

What did you, would

1:27:00

you guys think you want to tell the people about, Ashley? Sure.

1:27:04

We just, over on Bingers, you

1:27:06

can follow us where me, Matt,

1:27:08

Jay, Scotty, and Hailey are all

1:27:10

doing the Oscar stuff, which we're

1:27:12

almost done with crazily. Ten films.

1:27:14

We're doing a great job. And

1:27:16

then on Bingers, we also just dropped the

1:27:18

first episode for 2021's Dune Part One, because

1:27:23

we're going to do Dune. We're going to do Dune Two

1:27:25

when it comes out. And then after those two

1:27:27

movies are done and we had a minute to sit

1:27:30

with it, we're going to do the David Lynch one,

1:27:32

because as everyone knows, the David Lynch one is both

1:27:34

of those movies in one movie, just to see how

1:27:36

everything kind of compares and talk about the Alejandro Ordowski

1:27:38

version that we never got. There's just a lot that

1:27:40

we're going to be doing. So Bingers is popping. Yeah,

1:27:42

it is. And Bill and Ashley's Terra Theater, we just

1:27:44

recorded about the witch, the

1:27:46

witch, Roger Eggers, or sorry, Robert

1:27:49

Eggers' first debut film. So

1:27:53

if you want to watch

1:27:55

that and then check out everything we had to

1:27:57

say, which we had a lot to say. That's

1:28:00

one of my favorite of the newer, I think

1:28:02

it started the new wave of horror that

1:28:05

we have now with the Ariasters and the blah, blah,

1:28:08

blah, blah, blah, and all the things that we're getting.

1:28:10

So yeah, I think we worked for like two hours.

1:28:12

So definitely watch the movie and then come join the

1:28:14

SoapRip Bill in Ashley's terror theater. Sweet, sweet,

1:28:16

don't be shy. I haven't seen it.

1:28:18

Let's check that out. Really?

1:28:20

It's Anya Taylor. Anya Taylor

1:28:22

Joy. Joy. Maybe

1:28:25

that's the first thing I remember seeing

1:28:27

her in and just being blown away.

1:28:30

She's 18 and it is just, you

1:28:32

know, it's a stunning film. Sweet.

1:28:35

I'll check it out. I'll check it out. And check

1:28:37

out your podcast, of course. Really? Yeah, so

1:28:39

we'll be back with more MCU cast

1:28:41

in a couple of days and just

1:28:43

so much going on. I feel like

1:28:45

this week, like there's

1:28:48

so much to talk about with Fantastic

1:28:50

Four, Madam Web and

1:28:52

Deadpool and Wolverine. It's

1:28:55

just like, and X-Men 97 coming in just a few weeks.

1:28:57

So we got a lot of- I

1:28:59

did see the trailer. I'm so excited. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:29:01

Did you see Marvel's doing like a

1:29:04

worldwide rewatch of the animated? It's like

1:29:06

two episodes or one episode a day

1:29:08

so that everybody can catch up. No,

1:29:10

I didn't. And like, and I'm like,

1:29:12

oh my God, that means that they're definitely

1:29:14

going to use those

1:29:17

X-Men as what's going

1:29:19

on, you know? Cause there's so many different versions

1:29:21

of the X-Men through the comics and this

1:29:23

and that. But if they're doing this and

1:29:25

they're pushing this hard like this, then I

1:29:27

am thrilled that that's my X-Men. Right,

1:29:30

yeah. It's so many of our X-Men. And

1:29:32

that's, it's interesting because I do

1:29:34

think we're going to get at

1:29:36

least them showing up somehow.

1:29:38

I don't know if they'll be the X-Men we

1:29:40

use, but like, the fact

1:29:43

that like in the Deadpool trailer, we

1:29:45

see that

1:29:47

white clad patch version of

1:29:49

Wolverine from behind playing cards.

1:29:51

And then we also see the yellow

1:29:53

clad Wolverine. I feel like he

1:29:56

is going to be popping around looking for a

1:29:58

Wolverine. Like I

1:30:00

could even, you know, we talked about how we

1:30:02

don't want them to change anything about that Logan

1:30:04

moment. Like I could totally see him like getting

1:30:07

a chance to grieve Logan inside

1:30:09

the Deadpool movie and then going like, well

1:30:11

I gotta get a different Wolverine. I need

1:30:13

a Wolverine and him like popping around from

1:30:15

universe to universe. So like if we're

1:30:17

getting multiple versions of Wolverine, I think we are

1:30:19

definitely going to get some sort of crossover with

1:30:21

the X-Men 97. God,

1:30:23

I hope so. Which would be cool. I started

1:30:26

my rewatch this week. I woke up and had

1:30:28

breakfast and watched the first episode, which was interesting.

1:30:30

That's the mall one, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The

1:30:32

Jubilee introduction in the mall. Night

1:30:35

of the Sentinels. And it's

1:30:37

just so funny because I've seen not only have

1:30:39

I seen a lot of that show, but I've

1:30:41

seen for whatever reason that episode, like I don't

1:30:43

even know, 15 times. Because if

1:30:45

you went to Pizza Hut

1:30:48

when we were younger, they had the

1:30:50

double VHS's that they were giving away

1:30:52

all the time. So I had those first two

1:30:54

episodes and I remember watching it over and over and over again.

1:30:56

Nice. So I bet there's a

1:30:58

lot of people like, you might not even remember it,

1:31:01

but yeah, they showed that a lot. I

1:31:03

definitely saw that episode. I don't even

1:31:05

know how many times. And I've probably tried to go back and

1:31:07

rewatch the animated series before too. But

1:31:10

yeah, it's cool. It's super

1:31:12

fun to see. And I can't wait. We'll

1:31:15

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