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Welcome to the Marvel Cinematic Universe podcast. My name

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is Matthew Carroll. And I'm Jeff Riddle. And

1:20

I'm Asa Kavan. Firstly, spoiler

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alert for this episode. Spoiler

1:25

alert, season one, episode four, Echo backstory.

1:29

I was just, I just wanted to say,

1:31

Ashley, I'm really sorry that this episode did

1:33

not give you a trigger warning. I know you're

1:36

not normally one for trigger warnings, but I felt

1:38

like this was rude to not give you specifically

1:40

a trigger warning. For what?

1:42

You being right? No. When they

1:44

poured the wine down the sink. Oh,

1:46

I have in my notes. I

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would have strangled her to death right there. No, It

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was closed girl. No. Canada

2:00

put it in the cause it's it.

2:02

In our area was a business that

2:04

have done this. Literally anything with it

2:06

could have thrown it outside. Six assists

2:09

given. It's it's alla I don't know. Give

2:11

it to somebody. This gifts probably like swine.

2:13

The. Episodes line is s that have

2:15

like a great like Gilmore Girls

2:17

night with as you know how.

2:20

Totally it's the sadness on

2:22

his face was. Palpable, Though

2:24

that's what I would if he was like. Eighteen

2:27

to name is Kim

2:29

recommended. She has two parts of the for

2:31

he this that it with my seat itself on the phone.

2:35

And that when support out the lines. Are

2:37

know that that was early sadness that I

2:40

saw was his of who play those utter

2:42

raids I now I saw that fourteen has

2:44

no idea what's coming for at I don't

2:46

I don't think he made it home legs

2:48

when we saw this week that airplane that

2:50

last cabin pressure when the like door flew

2:52

open you know. Him by watching

2:54

the news know bus and almost all you

2:57

know like a lot of planes had been

2:59

grounded because yeah more have one issue. One.

3:02

That's terrifying. Whenever he was more of

3:04

them, some panel flew off and it's

3:06

and then they were like. Yeah.

3:09

They lifted the records they would. Yeah,

3:11

for some reason we knew that play

3:13

with losing kept losing cabin pressure but

3:15

we couldn't figure it out. If you

3:17

stop and figure it out into those

3:20

melanoma really nothing as yeah exactly how

3:22

wise to resist. Figured as fuck it

3:24

is real bad for bed. but anyway

3:26

not as is not good practice. Their

3:28

may or may not be a fist

3:30

sized hole on the silent plane of

3:32

on thin ice on. Worried about the

3:34

pilots? Yeah I. Would. Have gotten out of that

3:36

runs. Just he's gone off again.

3:38

You never cease to school for kool

3:40

aid, man. No, Other

3:43

reason is who it's read. I did a

3:45

new coat and I. Know what he did in

3:48

the beginning with so wrong that it felt so right

3:50

watching him do it. he really did i

3:52

identified with him so much of my

3:54

i don't know how many times i've

3:56

wanted to do that to somebody just

3:58

like they're being an asshole They need to

4:00

get the shit kicked out of them. Yeah, it's the right

4:02

to feeding. And that's my girl, like, he's like, wow, I

4:04

love this kid. Right. She

4:07

was just like, blah! Get him.

4:09

Right. And it's not even just that she did

4:11

that. She did that which showed him that she

4:13

was like him, but also the fact that she

4:15

wasn't scared of him. She said, he says, bring

4:17

me a new coat. I don't want

4:20

her to see me like, and then Caesar. And

4:22

it's like, he's always, when he

4:24

shows himself, his full self to

4:27

anyone, their repulse. The same reason

4:29

that Vanessa worked for

4:31

him. He was able to show her his

4:33

full self. And it's just such

4:35

a weird character, man. Like, I

4:38

weirdly root for him emotionally, but

4:40

like. It's hard. It's hard not

4:42

to. And he's just been on a losing streak

4:45

like we were talking last week. I don't know. I

4:47

feel like, so we never got back

4:49

to that conversation about the losing streak. I

4:52

think in the first season, he does like

4:54

do some pretty good things to establish himself.

4:56

And in the season three though, I think

4:58

is where he truly establishes himself. Like when

5:01

he's just in complete control of the police.

5:03

And the FBI and the

5:05

prison. And every single organization

5:07

is completely in his pocket.

5:09

And he's slowly collecting like

5:11

federal agents to just like

5:13

do his bidding. That

5:17

is where Kingpin shows his power. And like, yes,

5:19

he loses that season or whatever. Like he, Darrow

5:21

finally catches up with him, but like. But

5:24

he spends most of it in control. Yeah,

5:26

it's still an incredible show of power and

5:28

strategy and all of that. I think that's

5:31

such a cool season. Yeah, him

5:33

being the puppet master. Trying to tie

5:35

in the Netflix show starts to become harder

5:37

the more you start to think about it. Cause

5:40

I mean, didn't Daredevil end with him like

5:42

actually being in jail? Like he went to

5:44

jail. Well, yes, but like

5:47

he's Fisk. I know and anything

5:49

could have kind of happened with the blip and stuff. Yeah,

5:51

all that. But where was Maya? You think

5:53

he would have had her around? Maya,

5:56

get me out of here. Well, she would have

5:58

been his top girl at that point. No, no, at

6:00

that point she was still not working for him

6:03

because it wasn't until during the blue until after

6:05

but they had this close relationship you think

6:07

she's I don't know you're right he was

6:09

picking her up from school that was crazy

6:11

to like think about him like wait

6:13

a minute he picks her up from school. Like

6:16

he doesn't have anything else to do he's like right

6:18

that's top priority he's he's uncle Fisk

6:21

right and it's like 20 years ago. I

6:23

don't know it is very strange it makes me

6:25

really wonder about his relationship with the father because

6:27

like clearly they're close

6:29

enough that Fisk is like participating in

6:31

the raising of this child maybe he

6:33

just really liked her my boss picking

6:36

my daughter up from school. Yeah

6:39

I do generally think he's upset like

6:42

it might be half mind games but I think he's also

6:44

like I'm like oh you really are

6:46

upset I want to go with him speaking

6:49

of when he shows emotion and when he

6:51

doesn't. Like when

6:54

he sends that interpreter out into

6:56

the hallway to die. Oh my

6:58

God that about she's been

7:00

interpreting for them and my

7:02

niece noted and I had noticed this

7:05

but my niece noted that it said

7:07

ASL interpreter number three yep in the

7:09

in the in the on the whatever

7:12

which means either I didn't notice but

7:14

maybe they've been changing them out. They

7:17

have been I noticed that there was a

7:19

different one the second time around but I was like

7:21

that must just be like he's got a subscription service

7:24

and just like calls one up whenever

7:26

he needs one and they just come there that's

7:28

what I was thinking what it what it was

7:30

but yeah apparently no they're

7:32

just being murdered. But

7:34

aside from him being like this is it showing him

7:36

as bad as he is what we know of Fisk

7:39

is he isn't like he's a bad guy but he

7:41

he doesn't really murder unless there's a reason unless he

7:43

does have some kind of his reason weird

7:45

code was that they just knew. Yeah

7:48

they knew too much like yeah he needed to

7:50

communicate with Maya I don't know maybe I don't

7:52

know it was just weird for him like if you're paying

7:54

them and they're like I don't care I don't know yeah

7:56

no I think I think that if Maya is a source of

7:58

like he needs to communicate with Maya. to be able

8:00

to communicate with her. He cares about it, but

8:03

the things he's been communicating to her, I think

8:05

he's been raising her to be his replacement. How

8:07

easy he's giving over. He says he's going to

8:09

give over his kingdom to her and make her

8:11

queen. I think she's serious. I

8:14

think he's like, I'm older, I'm tired, and

8:16

I've trained you to be my replacement, and

8:18

I'm ready to give it to you. But

8:21

she's gone too far outside of his

8:24

purview now. She's outside of his power.

8:27

I don't know. I didn't take it to mean

8:29

he was ready to be succeeded. I think

8:32

it, or the way that

8:34

I was reading into it, yeah,

8:36

it's like he was going to separate some

8:39

of his and be like, you're going to

8:41

operate for me this area. You're

8:43

going to be in total control of

8:45

it, the queen of your own little

8:47

kingdom. You'll have your own kingdom. You'll have

8:49

everything, he says. You'll have everything. When

8:52

he does retire, I would assume he would want to

8:54

groom her to be. True, right. Kind of

8:56

like Gamora. There's a lot of similarities in the

8:59

relationships. Yeah. Aside from just

9:01

shots, like him walking down the street

9:03

holding her hand, I was just like, oh,

9:05

Sanus and Gamora. Very Thanos-y. Very

9:08

cute. Jess in the chat was saying it

9:10

does seem like he would just keep an interpreter on

9:12

staff as just part of the crew. Yeah,

9:14

if it's that important. It got me

9:16

thinking about that one guy in the

9:18

tracksuits, like he knew sign, like he

9:20

was conversing. He was

9:23

basically her interpreter, but was also a part

9:25

of the crew. Like, why not just have

9:28

him around? I think the things, those Sunday

9:30

night dinners that he said were finally finished.

9:32

You're no longer a student. Like I've taught

9:34

you everything. It's time to do

9:37

practical stuff now. I

9:39

think those were like him imparting wisdom that he

9:41

doesn't share. You know what I think? I think he

9:43

really was like- Oh, yeah. Right. He

9:45

wouldn't want it to go to that guy. Yeah, he doesn't

9:47

want any crew member to know it. This is for her.

9:50

Yeah. And he's

9:52

still like, but you can only trust me and I can

9:54

only trust you. And that's why I have to

9:56

kill the interpreter. His emotional

9:58

manipulation. And like,

10:01

he's emotionally manipulating me.

10:03

Like I am falling

10:05

for it. You know

10:07

his Paisley lunchbox? He had

10:09

like a picnic box. I was disappointed that he didn't need

10:11

any of the food he brought. I was like please.

10:14

Yeah, what do you mean? And him just carrying

10:16

it around? Yeah, look he hands her the roll

10:18

of silverware and like she drops the knife and

10:20

he's like, oh here you go, you dropped this.

10:22

And hands her the knife. Flips it over, gives

10:24

it to her, and then just like walks away

10:26

from the meal? You don't get that big walking

10:28

away from meals. Knowing

10:30

that she's gonna come leave the door open,

10:32

power move. It's an interesting scene because

10:34

like, he keeps basically

10:37

showing his neck to her. You know, like

10:39

he keeps allowing her. Well do you think

10:41

he was serious? Oh, oh,

10:43

that bit of the hammer? Kill

10:46

me? I

10:49

think he was serious in offering it to her. I don't

10:51

know that he would have let it happen. I

10:54

think maybe he was trying to give her one

10:57

last chance to make a decision. I don't

11:00

know though. Like, yes, the hammer scene is

11:02

one of those intense and like cool

11:05

things in this episode because it

11:07

is, he says, I killed

11:11

my father with this to get out, to

11:13

get out. But the thing about it is he

11:16

never got out. The abuse his

11:18

father caused him and the

11:21

thing that it caused him to do

11:23

drove him into this life. He never

11:25

got away from the violence of his

11:28

father. He is the violence of his

11:30

father. Like just personified, perpetuated. And like

11:34

if she were to murder

11:36

him with the hammer, it would

11:38

be embracing the fiscaness.

11:40

It's not getting away from him. Yeah,

11:43

that you and I are the same. If she had

11:45

murdered him with the hammer, it wouldn't have been her

11:47

getting away. He could have like signed her as he

11:49

died. We are the same. And like she would have

11:51

become the queen pin like, and

11:54

I think in a weird way he would have liked

11:56

that. He would have thought it was a like full,

11:58

he talks with them becoming. full circle and

12:02

I don't know. Like I don't know if it was

12:04

a trick. It didn't seem like a trick to me.

12:07

Yeah, I didn't think it was either. I was like, oh my God,

12:09

is he really serious about that?

12:11

Like there was language that he used

12:13

that seemed to indicate to

12:16

me that like he really did want her to do

12:18

it and like, you know, was-

12:20

He's tired. Like, yeah, it was like he was tired

12:22

of it. He was like, get me out. Like

12:24

get me out of it. Yeah. Well,

12:27

and another thing that made me feel, the

12:30

emotional, I was mentioning a second ago,

12:32

him building, like he commissioned a few

12:35

accessories for her, like

12:37

giving her the ability to hear any

12:40

speech and have it

12:42

interpreted through her eyeball. And then him

12:44

having it pre-installed on

12:46

his new magic eye that he has.

12:49

Yeah. Like that is such a big

12:53

overture of affection for her. Like-

12:56

But you were right. You were a hundred percent right. And

12:58

she threw it in his face when she was like, you

13:00

never learned how to sign it. Like after all

13:03

this time, you never learned. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't even

13:05

touch that line. She said even with this contact, that

13:09

was just you not caring

13:11

enough to learn. Not caring enough to

13:13

learn. So that did bug her. I

13:15

meant that line, damn. Are you serious? That's

13:17

what it was. You were like, you didn't, I was like, why?

13:19

Cause you were right. I knew you were right. Listen,

13:21

I don't want to assume that he being right will trigger you.

13:24

It happens way too often. No, I

13:26

love it when we're right. I'm like, you

13:28

were right. I know. Cause I went,

13:30

ah, she did know. See,

13:32

that's how shallow I am. I need to learn that. I

13:36

was like, what a sweet gesture from, but I'm

13:38

like so team Fisk, I get blinded. Yeah,

13:40

sure. The

13:42

girlfriend saw the contact and like that overlay,

13:45

that interface. And she was like, I want

13:47

them to go back to that. Like just

13:50

leave it on that. No way. There's not some

13:52

form of that out there. There are like,

13:54

they're probably like, you're making stuff like that.

13:57

The future is now. I'm betting augmented

13:59

reality. If it doesn't exist, I

14:01

bet this is a Star Trek situation where like

14:03

30 years ago they had communicators and

14:05

then we had flip phones, you know what I mean?

14:07

Like that is clever. Oh yeah. Someone

14:09

will be like... It's coming. If it doesn't already exist,

14:12

someone will be like, that is a killer idea. And like, I

14:14

don't see why it's at all hard

14:16

or impossible. I mean hard, sure, but

14:18

like impossible to do. Like those are

14:20

simple animations. We have... We have

14:22

the technology. That's what we got now. We can

14:24

interpret, we have interpretation programs. All

14:27

you'd have to do is connect an interpretation

14:29

program to an animation program

14:31

and do the augmented reality, line it up

14:33

with the shoulders, boom, you're done. Like it

14:36

is doable. That is a very... And it's

14:38

so cool that that's a doable technology. Now

14:40

having it on a contact, maybe not. But

14:42

like glasses. Great. Well listen, it would

14:44

have taken way more than four of them to hold me down to put

14:46

something on. Oh man, that was... They

14:49

would have had to probably break... I would have freaked out. You're

14:51

not putting... I don't... I've never

14:53

put a contact in. Like I'm not... I

14:57

thought he was like... Freaking her out. I thought he

14:59

was setting up to give her something to drink or

15:01

whatever just to like calm her down. I'm

15:04

like, is it that easy to put a contact in someone

15:06

who is just like, boop? Especially when she's like, that, that,

15:08

that, stop it. No, she was

15:10

not moving enough. I would have been biting. Yeah.

15:15

The issue though with that sort of

15:17

technology being like just a plug in

15:19

and go kind of thing is

15:21

that there are regional signs

15:24

that are not necessarily

15:26

common knowledge and then there are like,

15:29

there are regional dialects for certain signs

15:32

for various ones. And then

15:34

there's like, if somebody doesn't do like the

15:36

full motion or whatever for a sign or

15:39

if they do like

15:41

C-sign versus ASL, which is a

15:43

different thing. Like

15:45

C-sign is signed exact English and that's what like

15:47

the uncle has been using. Cause

15:49

there's like, there was one

15:51

time he said like, if the offer still

15:53

stands, he said, I'm helping you. And

15:56

he did like I helping. You.

16:00

But. Like you don't need all of

16:03

that for yourselves. You're just saying

16:05

I'm helping you. It's directional. just.

16:07

Help for me to you is and helping you.

16:11

That's actually a how the one where

16:13

she said the grandmother says said something

16:15

like or. Which is like ancestors and

16:17

co answers editing hands. Or. Something and I

16:20

was like, that's. Clear existence, ancestors and

16:22

thus doing it was ago was all

16:24

of that echoing fan is like that

16:26

of the generations back is basically with

16:28

that salads. At center a sense yes I

16:30

a generation echoing and I was like what

16:32

a what are we oh that's a that's.

16:34

A clear on us. A really

16:37

enjoyed the conversation is beautiful. Really

16:39

good. Yeah all of all of

16:41

the I'm. The technology

16:44

use and Z the signing.

16:46

Used in the series has

16:48

been incredible. Like.

16:50

That is an really really not

16:53

is now cool. Very cool. I

16:56

like watching them do it is out. Weird. like watching

16:58

them sign. I dunno. I. Love it. I

17:01

like the sounds I don't know it's I'm

17:03

I'm just like really into it and like

17:05

a lot like an remember when closes up.

17:08

And I just loved everything with their don't I was

17:10

glad that that one that such. A that was on

17:12

my attack them sort of. I always. Thought.

17:16

Ah yeah, just really like at and I

17:19

I would love to learn it tends an

17:21

aunt and uncle were death so he knows

17:23

that. A little upper. Arm But it's

17:25

been years. And years need to bring her back

17:27

out. Drawn

17:29

out of. Necessity

17:32

for me. I

17:34

really enjoyed this conversation with

17:36

the grandmother I'm and. It.

17:39

Seemed but when she left the cover ceases to

17:41

and sort of working on a new outfit for

17:43

Echo right? Is that with yeah. Well.

17:45

Yeah that's gonna be for the last of. See

17:48

a van at the end and it's got the

17:50

sun. Dumb A cellular we are that almost

17:52

see I went on. Her letter shines a

17:54

on the side. Knows

17:56

like that looks like a superhero. Third, if

17:58

either never is a good. I have to

18:00

like ill they should. building little armor plates to

18:03

like shoulders or something like will be the. Yeah

18:05

looked cool of of excited for. Overseas.

18:08

And I mean there's a lot of people like

18:10

I. I. Have you know I?

18:12

I've never met my father and I haven't

18:14

talked to my mother and over twenty five years

18:16

I don't have that I need to resolve anything

18:19

like yeah, it's gonna, it's a good thing

18:21

But like that whole life. I was

18:23

a child. You know there were people around who saw

18:25

things that were happening in my household and I was

18:27

young aunts, uncles, people who didn't get involved who reached

18:29

out to me as an adult. like oh and I'm

18:31

like get out of my los de like I needed

18:33

you when I needed to. A so I completely understand

18:36

where she's going to be. An accent I'm from with

18:38

that. I know that feeling like I've. Been.

18:40

On my own now probably thirty years and

18:42

I don't need anybody. You know that kind

18:44

of. Thing. Like I know I can

18:46

survive and I'd you. You could have helped me

18:49

when you had the chance that you didn't sell.

18:51

You. Know when I was a child I need it

18:53

help and. You're. Reaching out now to

18:55

have a really said you know and it

18:58

Items like that is a very powerful scenes

19:00

and it killed me that the grandmother didn't

19:02

just see, didn't say i'm sorry at any

19:04

point or didn't apologize. This is explained.

19:07

Some things but not in that it didn't

19:09

see Also wasn't ready to as I understand

19:12

the grandmother's points too late. As

19:14

they you know losing a child as soon as

19:16

the worst thing that had happened to somebody and

19:18

having someone who reminds you of like it's not

19:20

right which seat as know but you can. and

19:22

when the same goes would be has with the uncle

19:24

to. What You do?

19:27

What I needed you He was bad

19:29

I said amelia I'm sorry a guy

19:31

and I was the last month. I.

19:33

Was scared and gas. You know

19:35

who your uncle is. He

19:37

had your father killed Layup. If you

19:39

think he's not going to have that whole town's

19:42

obliterated after this, if you don't go back

19:44

there, you're naive. But we already know. Who

19:47

says I'm just where he? He's gonna do something out

19:49

that sustainable. And their the power of

19:51

the last year I had that sounds

19:53

like that. The big event we're heading

19:56

towards. and i had i

19:58

can imagine i chose this point soon Normally,

20:00

I would think the big loss happens in

20:02

the second to last episode. That's

20:05

just the normal pattern of things. They

20:07

have a big loss in the second to

20:09

last episode that drives them into the finale,

20:11

but that didn't happen. Now, I'm questioning my

20:13

whole, she's going to lose something, which in

20:16

some ways, I'll be annoyed, not because I predicted

20:18

it, but just because she was so freaking reckless

20:20

that I thought for sure she was going to

20:22

have to have some consequences. That's why I thought it

20:25

was going to happen. Her not

20:27

seeing any consequences for this sort of reckless

20:29

behavior. She started a war

20:32

alone against Fisk's

20:34

army, and then so far

20:36

nothing has happened. Because he's like, that's

20:38

just my niece. I'm actually a little proud of

20:40

her for it. She's

20:43

just acting out. Yeah. She'll

20:45

come back. She always

20:47

comes back. Yeah. Yeah,

20:50

she's definitely lost a

20:53

lot, and it's a lot for the character, so more

20:55

loss is hard, especially if it's someone like the grandmother.

20:59

I think it's going to be grandmother,

21:01

though. I hope not. After the story,

21:04

losing her daughter, that whole family's just lost a

21:06

lot. Yeah.

21:08

So I'd be okay if they didn't keep doing that. I

21:12

don't know. I don't know. I think this

21:14

is where we take the bets, right? This

21:16

is where we take bets? Yeah. On who's

21:18

going to bite it. On who's

21:20

going to drive her to be

21:23

the hero, or at least to be more

21:25

heroic. Because of not going to Fisk. I

21:27

think he's already made a decision not to

21:29

be the queen, or not to

21:31

be Fisk's version of the queen. Maybe

21:33

she's just going to meet him in New York. Yeah.

21:36

I wonder if this last episode will be

21:38

New York-based. Yeah. Yeah.

21:40

The last time we saw her was she was

21:43

on her bike with the, you're now leaving this

21:45

small town sign going past it.

21:49

We were tailing her, and we lost her, is what the guy

21:51

said. Yeah. So... Maybe

21:55

she's just going out and then

21:57

coming back in. Well, I would assume

21:59

she'll be at the... How I also will.

22:01

maybe he doesn't leave. And maybe he

22:03

starts reckons. Kill our god

22:05

item house and see leaves to just

22:08

go and them as disliked by us.

22:11

You. Did you come back? Yes I

22:13

have your family Everybody I found

22:15

your family is very far as

22:17

your stuff sound of your itunes

22:19

the same way over may also

22:21

use. I'll take everybody from else.

22:24

Sir Us. That

22:27

such an abusive relationship tell for

22:29

sure that line my memories or

22:31

ally but a child st so

22:33

petty and the. Deathly

22:36

ill, Or I mean

22:38

she told him you isolated me like,

22:40

yeah, there's There's no way I couldn't

22:43

have grown up to be like you

22:45

like. This is the only environment I

22:47

knew. You kept me alone and isolated.

22:49

Weirdly guarantee that I would be like

22:51

this. So. League him

22:53

saying we're the same bioware the say much.

22:55

Of course we're the same. Yeah, He.

22:58

Made me your little buddy. You did this

23:00

as he drove me to be more

23:02

more likely you bites thinking in your

23:04

insane mind that I was like you

23:06

as a child as little child. So

23:08

you just drove me be more more

23:10

like that. Help them see been through

23:12

a lot. Who sits to just a

23:14

hurt little girl with a lot of

23:16

pain and a lot of things Emitter

23:18

different and he was let I can

23:21

use that. He avoids smashers out of

23:23

my for my own emotional sports yes.

23:25

I think there is this healthy and that

23:27

healthy as unhealthy balance of I'm going to

23:29

get there but dad says a cool kids.

23:32

Oh yeah had internet access at about getting

23:34

would see was just the she was try

23:36

to get the ice cream and then she

23:38

like she walked away from the ice cream

23:40

said was like immediately there at the car

23:42

max nobody got out of the car to

23:44

be like hey asshole diverse and can I

23:46

screamed none and off he was like i

23:48

wanna see how this plays out yet like

23:50

as and that that the thought that i

23:52

had was like he was watching that he

23:54

sleeps i get a like if she'd gotten

23:56

ice creams i get up my i like

23:58

ice cream to evidence. It

24:00

would have it's like sub the big

24:02

leagues would he saw the the whole

24:04

thing play out I was like yeah

24:06

be mad the sitting in the eyes

24:09

can to assist this asshole home as.

24:11

Like, but it's you have any money little girl. Have

24:13

any see didn't. As a car was

24:16

right there. Like hate. Hate that servants.

24:18

Personally I come here pay the man.

24:21

The So. We.

24:24

We think that Cisco stay in town.

24:26

Because. His ground this plane by destroying

24:28

it. And then he's

24:31

going to attack the family. And

24:33

the or some grouping of the family

24:35

and force them all to be together.

24:38

And that's all things A says The

24:40

ancestors come to us in times of

24:42

need. We were needed for people or

24:44

whatever. And. Like.

24:47

That we say so that the first episode. Though.

24:51

Like may. Her. People meet

24:53

her, her family needs her and and

24:55

able to harness the power of her

24:57

ancestors and com and like duties to

25:00

do in the best suit from her.

25:03

From her grandmother. Do we

25:05

get confirmation on her grandmother's name? Is

25:07

the episode titles So far has been

25:09

like about those powerful women in her

25:12

life. To lower was no mother as

25:14

metallo. South. Who is

25:16

that See the word for grandmother of her

25:18

grandmother or guy I believe. that said though

25:20

is that took it Whether it's it's weird

25:23

that are husband calls her grandmother the name

25:25

on the episode this time was her mother's

25:27

name the one who died a lot because

25:29

there's no like. The the ancestors

25:32

came because she needed help to be

25:34

born which was allowed her to be

25:36

born and she was a healer and

25:38

she was needed by people. With

25:42

their own sees the one the baby was

25:44

the one that they they name but absent

25:46

for. Okay, yeah,

25:51

Man. I'm excited History was

25:53

smelly. With. Her been

25:55

to, I'm ready to it. Will someone die? Yes

25:57

or No. Ah, Yes,

26:00

grandmother. I'm the

26:03

only know now because it's the navy's. Like

26:05

what are we going to do with says fastest s

26:07

like I don't know. I was ludicrous. Hundred dollars

26:09

as guy right now and I was. Like

26:11

take over and be the queen and then that. See like.

26:14

Daredevil and whoever will have to like. By.

26:17

At an elevator up and become like

26:19

a gangster. Stay. A gangster? A

26:21

Buick. sort of a benevolent. A little bit

26:23

better than says you know like not be

26:25

driven by the same. Stuff.

26:29

As She is You on the he

26:31

is my own Luke Cage Gonna rule

26:33

the underworld Year can have answered yes

26:35

to Who's Gonna Die. If

26:38

someone dies is kinda. Sisters.

26:41

You've exists. Oh man, I really

26:43

have to discuss. Yeah

26:47

I'm thinkin' and see grandmother. And

26:50

didn't score with. It

26:53

didn't go his grandfather. Yeah, To

26:56

really really hate. Us

26:59

if we win more like a tie breaker

27:02

series is Matt bodies of oh I mean

27:04

like with another question we could do we

27:06

can like through I'll say I was like

27:08

i'll help more people such. As

27:11

the third question. Could

27:13

be who from the of the rest of the

27:16

Mc was gonna show up in the last episode

27:18

to. His

27:20

daredevil coming back at any point. I.

27:23

Hope. No One. I

27:25

have no until. They as was it. you

27:27

know of your devil and I would to see

27:29

him again. I don't think he belongs in the

27:32

story. I don't want to be like and somebody

27:34

shows up to like help her solve the problem

27:36

sir but like I wanted to be lagoon someone

27:38

sues of after everything to be like noom. well

27:41

it seems you handled things here

27:43

we're putting a team together he

27:45

has you know my mind that

27:47

city where will this help desk

27:49

a zones just as zone for

27:52

hims shows up because she's like

27:54

a me my desk to gating

27:56

yeah yeah citizens are served as

27:58

a cosplay her everyday Jessica

28:02

Jones shows up because she's investigating something in that

28:04

small town as the post-crit and that's how they

28:06

tell us Jessica Jones is coming back into the

28:08

MCU. That would be rad. I'd

28:11

be so here for that. I need

28:13

my girl back. Yeah. And it would

28:15

just be like, what if she's investigating

28:17

something, some sort of case that's going to end

28:20

up pulling together all the spotlight heroes or whatever

28:22

and we're going to get another defenders type thing

28:24

and bring in Spider-Man. If you want

28:26

to make all the money in the world,

28:28

bring in Spider-Man. If you want to make

28:30

everybody so happy. Yeah, for real.

28:34

What's Spider-Man doing right now? Spider-Man was like

28:36

Moon Knight and Punisher

28:39

and Luke Cage like it would just be

28:41

so much fun. It would be

28:43

so much fun. Court Obi said Uncle Henry's kind of hot. I'll

28:45

marry him and run the skate rink. You

28:48

know, I would love to. I thought the same

28:50

thing. I go, why don't we just open a

28:52

skate rink somewhere? That'd be great. Yeah. I

28:54

said it again. We get arcade games. I would

28:56

love that. I would love that.

28:59

Laser tag every day. What a simple,

29:01

lovely life. Too many kids though. Skylar's

29:03

at the skating rink right now. Yeah.

29:05

I loved it. I used to

29:07

go all the time. She's doing roller derby.

29:09

Oh, good. So she's trying

29:12

to get out there and learn. Get that aggression. But

29:14

she doesn't skate, so she started to roller derby. Like

29:17

they have like a, anyone's allowed

29:19

to practice and learn and then

29:21

only the, like, you have to be at a

29:23

certain level to play. So she's in like level

29:25

one right now and she's like learning to do

29:27

the derby moves and learning to skate. It's a

29:29

lot of fun. She's enjoying it. Um,

29:32

put your hips into it. Last

29:34

final question. Get a solid answer. Will someone from

29:36

the MCU show up? That can be the final

29:38

answer. Final question. Someone

29:41

that we haven't seen yet. No. I

29:43

don't think it's going to be somebody that we've

29:45

seen in the MCU so far. Do

29:48

we know if there's an end or mid credit? Do

29:50

we know? We don't know. I mean, that's

29:52

another question that we could ask. Everyone in the chat, if you've

29:54

seen it, no spoilers, just let us know if there's a mid

29:56

or end credit. Yeah. Don't spoil.

29:59

Oh right.? The get up. yeah everybody

30:01

either behind other people have finished at

30:03

Aura He we've been having the will

30:05

power of of you know a master

30:07

over here for someone said yes and

30:09

amid of a hell of a right

30:11

so I'm gonna say if will with

30:13

that information I'm gonna say yes. I'm

30:17

going to say no. Still like it. Oh I guess. I'm

30:20

just not going to be someone from the and

30:22

see that we've seen in the him see you

30:24

as it gets to be someone. That.

30:26

Has yet to sue up. Of Sicily

30:28

in the and see you are like

30:30

three completely different answers that we may

30:32

have seen in Netflix is cool. oh

30:34

hell more that else that counts We

30:36

we said does it say they've canonized

30:38

at least and then they were canonized

30:40

it but they haven't shown up. In

30:43

that if it's like the sense that

30:45

was how the Ceo exec house foggy

30:47

and he recounts ourselves counting anyone said

30:49

that's a foggy that that. Term

30:53

page of because campaign shown up. I would love

30:55

either of them showed up because would So they're

30:57

gonna be in the new show because they have

30:59

not so much and announced as appearing in Daredevil.

31:02

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31:05

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