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Today on the Marvel Cinematic Universe podcast, Daredevil

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is shaping up and we've got some feedback

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that we haven't gotten to. And

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we're going to talk about it. We're going to talk about all the things

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that you're talking about. Maybe not all the things, but

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a lot of the things that you're talking about. All

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that amore for this. It's as

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if Daredevil is being born again. How

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meta. The men without

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fear is reborn. Hail

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Hydra. Welcome

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to Marvel Cinematic Universe podcast. My name is Matthew

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Carroll. And I am Jeff

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Randall. Jeff, buddy, what is

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happening, my friend? I am

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being played by Arnim Solar. I like it.

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Do it the whole time. It won't get

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annoying. The entire episode is like this. Won't

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it all be annoying? Yeah.

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It'll be fine. Yeah. What could go wrong?

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Oh yeah. No sense

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of to anyone ever. What's

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been happening, man? What's going on with you this week? This

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week, sir, I got an offer from

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a company to take

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a new job. Oh, congrats,

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bud. Yeah. You're out there in an

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L.I. An L.I. Yeah,

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well, it's remote so I can work

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from anywhere. Oh, cool. I'm

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going to stay in L.A. because I like it here. Yeah.

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But I don't have

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to drive two hours one way to get

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to the office once a week. Dude, that's

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amazing. I walked 15 feet

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that way. That is a huge life

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upgrade. Yeah, dude, congrats. I'm

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pretty excited. It doesn't feel real yet

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because like I got the

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offer assigned it, I sent it off, I did whatever

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like onboarding stuff I'm supposed to do and then like

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haven't heard anything. I'm

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just like waiting until I have to

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do the drug test. All

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the lab corps like You have to have an

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appointment around here. So you said it made it

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sound like it was like a real tense thing,

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whether it would be, whether you'll make it or not. Well,

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I mean, the

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recruiter was like, I don't know if you

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partake, you know, being in

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California, but we do

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have to have drug tests and you

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gotta show up negative unless

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you have a medical card needed,

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or a medical card to show that you need it.

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I was like, I

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think I'll be okay. Well,

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good luck. Thank

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you. Now, I don't partake in

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edibles often enough to like keep it in

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my system for a long time. Okay,

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cool. Now, good. It's just a

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pain relief kind of thing every now and again.

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Yeah, yeah, I had a buddy just started partaking

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for pain reasons and it's like

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completely changed him. He's feeling

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great. Not

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a big psychoactive level, but just like enough

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for pain and he's feeling so much better.

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Yeah, no, I had one time

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where I took

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a little too much of a

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Rice Krispy treat and found myself

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on the bathroom floor thinking that I was gonna

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die. Oh, man. And

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been kind of scared to partake ever since.

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Yeah, I'll do it. That

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was several months ago too. I was like, I'm

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gonna die alone in the bathroom floor. Like

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nobody's gonna know I'm here. Oh, man. My

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phone's somewhere else. The cat is outside trying

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to get in here. If I let her

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in, she's gonna eat me. Like

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it was a bad time. Everything

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is so concentrated these days.

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You really have to know your stuff. You know what

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I mean? Like, yeah. If you're

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gonna partake in those medical places,

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it's like... Yeah, you gotta

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know your stuff. You gotta know what you're getting into. Yep,

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yep. Well, we

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really, you know, we

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were debating whether to come on tonight because there's only

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a little bit of news. And we have a lot

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of feedback in our

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stores of feedback that we still

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haven't gone through. The

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coffers. Yeah, our coffers. Our

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coffers are rich with much feedback from you guys,

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which is amazing. But

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we didn't have kind of that core story

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for today except we

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talked about it on Multiverse News this week, but I really didn't want

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to talk to you about it, which

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is supposedly... Eldon

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Henson and Deborah Ann Wall have

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been seen on set with

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Charlie Cox shooting Daredevil

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Born Again. It rises

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from the ashes. Yep. Like

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the Phoenix. And with the other things we

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know about the show, which as

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far as we know, there's also

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announced Punisher will be returning officially,

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and of course, Kingpin. And

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the one that really sticks out to me,

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the one that really makes me interested even

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more, and makes me feel like it's

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even more a sequel is Bullseye.

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They're bringing back the same guy who

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played Bullseye on the Netflix show.

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Benjamin Poindexter? Yeah. Nice. He

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was so good. He was so good. I loved it. Bounce

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Devil. Yeah, Bounce Devil. It feels

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like they could have... It

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feels like

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Bullseye is

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a well-known

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enough character because of the movies he's been

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in and stuff that maybe if they're recalibrating

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what they're doing with Daredevil, they might want

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to be like, hey, let's recast

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that. I can

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see them deciding on that because

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to mass audiences, it's

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like a pretty well-known character compared to

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others for Daredevil. So I could see

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them... them wanting to maybe change that.

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But they didn't. And that makes me feel

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like this is even more not just a

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spiritual sequel, not just like a reboot,

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but like this is a sequel

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to Daredevil. Yeah, like a direct

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sequel. Yeah. I've

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seen all over social media

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that Kristen Ritter has been

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hinting that she's

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returning. And she's like in makeup

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or whatever. You know, in the

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dress, in costume is

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the word I'm looking for. Like

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in costume and makeup of Jessica

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Jones. Yeah. And like

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maybe, like the thought is

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she might be making an appearance,

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like a quick cameo or whatever

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in Daredevil

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born again. Yeah. Which

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like fully supports

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that theory that you're having of like

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it is a direct sequel. Yeah. I

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mean, it'd be rad to see basically

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all of the defenders back, you know,

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every single one of them. Yeah. Yeah.

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Like all the side characters, everything's bring

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everybody back for Daredevil born again and

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just like have Daredevil, you know, travel

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around. And I feel like I'm

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really interested to find out like if they,

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if they address the blip, you know, like

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what happened, like who got blipped, who didn't,

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how does that affect all their lives? Like,

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I really hope that's all in there

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because like, yes, it would be great

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to see this, like, you know, Daredevil

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show come back in all its glory, just

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like, you know, but like addressing

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Thanos and stuff would really make it feel

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tied in, you know? Yeah.

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But I'm worried that it'll just be like, no,

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we want to keep making the show that's our

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show and we're gonna just keep it grounded. And

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I'm like, no, no, no, half of the people

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have had to had disappeared by now. Like, yeah.

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Give me that. Oh,

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man. That's something that I'd be interested

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to see is how like

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if, if Matt Murdock did

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not get blipped. Like

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if he didn't get dusted and

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we heard. Well, we know he didn't.

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Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. You're right. We

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know he didn't. So he didn't get dusted. I want to know

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what everyone around

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him, you know, half

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the people around him getting dusted

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sounded like, like what he experienced

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as part of that. Yeah.

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Yeah, man. Cause like, he's,

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you know, his senses are incredible. His

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hearing's incredible. To suddenly have

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half the number of heartbeats going on

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that he can hear at any time

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is potentially terrifying. Oh man, what

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a cool thing to do if they actually

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like went through with that and had that

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as a scene. What if like that scene

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we see with Echo, I

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mean, like also you could have an

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appearance by Hawkeye when

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he was Ronin, you know, like you could do like, you

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could do that scene that we saw

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in Echo could be like, you

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could find out the context of that scene inside of Daredevil

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born again, you know, like what was he doing? What was

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he waiting on? You know what I mean? It'd

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be really, really cool. There's a

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lot of cool stuff they could do already that

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I see these like bringing these strings

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together, but they

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might just completely start something fresh and

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not really mention. It'll probably be

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similar to the old show. They'll probably mention like, mention

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once or twice about people that disappeared or

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something, but like, I doubt

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they're gonna like. Otherwise it doesn't really affect our

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daily lives. Yeah, exactly. I

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will find annoying, but I don't know. Yeah,

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like no, on the street level,

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this is a big deal. Yeah, this isn't

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something that you're like, oh, that's something that

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Avengers dealt with. No, half your friends were

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gone for five years. Man,

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what, how cool. I

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would love to see like

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Matt lose Foggy and Karen or something

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in the blip. And then he's got

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that five years where he's like, dealing

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with like a lot, loss of his closest

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people and he's kind of alone and then they

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come him to coming back, you know, like that

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that could be so powerful. Yeah,

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I don't know why but like my first thought

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was like, you know, he turned to alcoholism

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got a little bit darker. And

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then they came back and

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he's like trying to hide his problem

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from them. Yeah. Because like,

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I didn't have a problem when you guys were

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here before so I shouldn't have one now. But

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now I'm in too deep. I'm too deep into

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the bottle to give it up. Yeah, that can

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be very dark. I guess

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Matt is such a mean, you

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know, he's, he's got his issues. But

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yeah, he's also such a boy

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scout though. Like, you know, I don't know. I don't

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like he gets dark, but it's dark in

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this way that like he

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gets dark in a way that tempts him

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to becoming Punisher. Like that's his level of

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darkness. But all of us watching

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are fine with Punisher. Like we have

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our issues with Punisher too. Sure. We're

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fine with watching Punisher as a protagonist. And

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so it's like sometimes

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he feels like he is like, like

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ringing his hands a little too much, you

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know, like we're like, just kill pink. You

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worry too much guy. You worry too much.

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Just kill kingpin. Come on, man. Just

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think about, I understand like you're

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the moral dilemma of your life. But

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like, from

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us as viewers, like that wouldn't we wouldn't

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hate on you. It's really not that big.

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He's not gonna stay dead anyway. Yeah. Sometimes

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I feel like that about like, you care,

11:33

Batman, Batman two, where

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it's like, you know, no, I don't kill.

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That's why I just keep putting the

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Joker in prison and the asylum where

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he breaks out and kills more people

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immediately. Like, no, you should just kill the

11:46

Joker. Yeah, all the all

11:48

the all the blood that the Joker has spilled

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is on Batman's hand. Yeah, like,

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it's hard because like, I also

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really appreciate the moral question. But

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sometimes those moral questions feel so

12:02

far over the line where it's

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like, Yes, I understand

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that you're keeping that hard moral line

12:09

even though the practical answer would be to do

12:11

the dark thing. That's an

12:14

interesting moral dilemma. But

12:16

sometimes you just need

12:18

the guy who's willing to pull the trigger. Like

12:20

you need the Punisher to come in and do his thing,

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you know? After

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20 times of stopping his

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mayhem, you would think, you know,

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I'm kind of tired

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of cleaning up this mess. Yeah, yeah. So

12:35

sometimes those heroes like that get a little tired

12:37

for me where I'm like, oh man,

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just go for it. Just do it. Just

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end him. It's

12:47

probably too dark, sorry. Is that too

12:50

dark? I don't know. I don't know. I

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don't know, man. But I'm very excited.

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I have questions. I'm

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really curious how they're going to handle the connection with the bigger

12:59

MCU. You know, this

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will lead to more connections with the bigger MCU.

13:05

Spider-Man, of course, is something we've talked a lot about

13:08

showing up in one of these shows. She-Hulk

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coming back. I

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mean, we've seen him already

13:16

on screen in the Spider-Man movie, like,

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why wouldn't he show up in Deadpool 3? You

13:23

know, like why not? Deadpool and Daredevil. Matt

13:26

Murdock everywhere. And we've

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talked about, you know, how

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perfect it would be to have Deadpool and

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She-Hulk together because of the fourth

13:35

wall breaking. Like, do

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that, but also if you already had Jennifer

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in there, bring her boyfriend over. Yeah,

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right? Just

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come and give it all to us. It's

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time. It's time, Marvel. Just

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give me all of it. Man,

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I keep thinking, like, it

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would- there's two things that

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I want to kind of- or like

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I would love to see in the

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Daredevil series of like, you

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know, a flashback to when

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people were coming back from

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the blip, right? One is very funny.

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And the other one is like breaks my heart

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a little bit. The

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one that's really funny is like he's in a

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fight with some thug,

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and another

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thug gets unblipped

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right in line with like his

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kick. He doesn't hit the guy

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that he's actually fighting. He hits the guy that comes

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back. That's pretty great. He

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just shows back up and hanging

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out in like a very thug rich

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area. Some warehouse that's just always gang

14:43

members like a warehouse. Yeah, like it's

14:45

always a gang warehouse all

14:47

the time. Really

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gives warehouse is a bad name. Or

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worse, like some other guy

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just some dock worker or whatever.

14:58

Rando. Yeah, he just gets dusted back

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into blips back in and he's suddenly

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kicked by Daredevil. Why

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would you do that? But

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the other thing, it's

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really funny. The other

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thing that like breaks my heart is like he

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hears people coming back

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into being and heartbeats where there

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weren't heartbeats. And it's

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and he like recognizes I've heard

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this happen before but in reverse. And

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then he's like desperate

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to get back to where he left

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or like where Foggy and Karen disappeared.

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And it's just like rushing to get back there. Yeah.

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You've seen the leftovers. I

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mean the ones I got in the fridge.

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I'm sure we've probably talked about before because

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it's so related to the blip. But like

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the leftovers the show. about like

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2% of people just

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disappear. And the whole show

16:06

is just about like what that does to society.

16:09

And like, it's

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interesting because like, it's

16:14

not really a mystery about like what

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happened, it's just sort of like, how

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does that affect everyone? Like 2% of

16:23

people disappeared. So there's people who are

16:25

like, you know, those were like, those

16:27

were, their religions talking about those were

16:30

sinners being called. And there's other religions

16:32

forming like those were the saints being

16:34

called the heaven, you know what I

16:36

mean? Like, but it just

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seems like it's at random. They just seem like

16:40

random people get blipped or like blipped basically. Yeah.

16:42

And so the whole show

16:44

is just like these characters trying to live in a

16:46

world where like, no one can

16:48

explain why a bunch of people just disappeared. And

16:50

so like a bunch of people are kind of

16:53

just going crazy with the like the

16:55

mystery of it all, but also like,

16:58

what does it mean? What does the world

17:00

mean? Like it's an interesting

17:02

show. Really interesting show. It's

17:04

good. Okay. But yeah, I don't know.

17:07

I didn't know if we'd ever talked about it, but it's a, it

17:10

feels blip related. It

17:12

feels, it feels mildly blip

17:14

related. I could see that being a

17:16

thing though. Cause like, I never thought about that as

17:18

far as like, as the, uh, within

17:20

the MCU goes, like the

17:23

blip would cause religious people to

17:25

be like, Oh my God, it's

17:27

revelation, it's happening. That for sure.

17:30

The rapture. But also like nonreli,

17:32

like everyone would just be like,

17:35

there are big things going on and

17:37

beyond me. Like, and that's true. There

17:40

were like Thanos is like snapping and

17:42

causing the destruction and all these

17:44

people to disappear. And it's, that's

17:47

why, that's why I really wish. I

17:50

really hope the Daredevil born again and the defenders

17:52

era stuff. I don't know why this is coming

17:54

up from me today, but like, I do really

17:56

hope that like the Daredevil

17:58

born again is not. Not only a

18:00

sequel, but it does a really good job of connecting it

18:02

to the MCU because I think we've talked

18:04

about it a bunch how the blip on

18:06

a street level is very unexplored. And

18:11

I'd really like to know what

18:14

are people going through in that

18:16

unexplored time. I

18:19

mean, the five year

18:21

gap seems to be very

18:24

much unaddressed in

18:27

the MCU. It's

18:29

like, times were dark and then you just move

18:31

on. The

18:33

Hayward guy

18:35

in WandaVision was just like, you don't know what we had to

18:38

do to keep the lights on. And

18:40

us as viewers, we as viewers are

18:42

like, yeah, I don't know. Show me.

18:45

Tell me what you had to do. I'm very

18:47

curious. Show me what was going on.

18:50

Yeah. And then

18:52

they won't. They just won't. Well, I

18:54

do think it's very possible this show will, or

18:56

at least like may exist

18:58

along that time frame. Who knows? Yeah.

19:03

Yeah, I don't know. I just, it doesn't

19:05

have to. I just wanted to acknowledge it

19:07

really. I just hope it doesn't ignore the

19:09

blip completely because that would feel weird. Yeah.

19:15

Like, I just, like Karen and

19:17

Foggy, let's say they were blipped and like

19:19

you come back to a world where like

19:22

Matt has had to make like new connections

19:25

and new friends. And there's just like new

19:27

people in his life. And like five years

19:29

later, there's, they come back and they have

19:31

to kind of find their home, their home in the world

19:33

again. You know, I don't know. It's weird,

19:35

man. Oh

19:38

man. That's

19:40

got a new, like he's got

19:42

a new Foggy. He kind of looks

19:45

vaguely similar to Foggy. He's

19:48

got a new Foggy and Karen, like with

19:50

just very similar face and hair, just like

19:52

hanging out in the office. What

19:54

could be their stunt double? What could go on here? Oh

20:01

god no, no even worse. He's

20:03

got like he's got

20:05

like scarecrow version. Oh Lord.

20:07

Oh I'm

20:10

taking Matt to a dark place. I don't know why That's

20:13

real dark. That sort of thing was on

20:17

If you've watched the Netflix series arcane

20:20

No, that is based in the League

20:22

of Legends universe. That's cool. I know

20:24

the thing. Yeah, man. It's a really

20:26

good show I've watched it all the

20:28

way through like three times. It's so

20:30

good interesting One of

20:33

the main characters though her her

20:36

friends die in childhood Spoiler

20:40

alert, it's her fault kind

20:42

of and She

20:46

kind of goes nuts from all

20:49

of this bad shit that happens in her

20:51

childhood batshit from bad shit Got it in

20:53

her little hovel later in life

20:56

she's got like stuffed versions

20:59

of them like sitting on the couch

21:01

and you know, just hanging out where

21:03

she Is

21:05

basically just talking to herself but talking to

21:07

them and like the voices

21:10

in her head are speaking for them

21:13

Hmm, man, so like that's

21:16

what I'm thinking of as far as like Matt

21:18

Murdock having foggy and Karen and

21:20

in the office But But

21:24

like I do like that. I mean

21:27

that could be a story like that could be a

21:29

character That's going through that sort of thing that like

21:31

Maddie there has to help her fight, you know One

21:34

oh, yeah. Yeah, it reminds me a little bit of like

21:36

the Arkham City

21:40

Game where like you've got all

21:42

the Batman characters all Trapped

21:45

in the city where it's been walled off or

21:47

whatever. I don't know you've played Arkham City Oh,

21:50

yeah, I love Arkham City, but like it's so

21:52

good But so you have these storylines of each

21:55

of these like villains as the fight But they're

21:57

all kind of enhanced by the fact that they're

21:59

all trapped inside

22:01

this walled city so they're all kind of going

22:03

through their own like I'm

22:07

going to like it's already I'm

22:09

the mad hatter and now I'm being driven

22:11

madder by the fact that like we're

22:14

all being walled inside the city and now

22:16

I want to fight Batman like it just

22:18

yep I don't know I could totally see

22:20

like using like if they use the blip

22:22

if they use flashbacks to the blip or

22:24

something like using that to enhance the reasons

22:26

behind some of the characters they fighting and

22:28

stuff like that and

22:30

the like madness city faces and yeah could

22:33

be really cool yeah oh man the people who

22:36

like like the

22:38

Hawkeyes you know or they just like

22:40

people who were inherently not inherently

22:42

but people who were just generally good

22:45

people that were driven crazy by like

22:48

you know their family was blipped away in front of

22:50

them and you know

22:52

did some bad things turn to

22:55

a darker life like Matt

22:58

even oh man even if it was somebody

23:00

like one of Matt Murdock's neighbors or something

23:03

like somebody he knows and

23:05

it's like I know that you're not

23:07

like this I know that this isn't you

23:09

you're just you're just

23:12

going through a dark time and we're

23:14

all having to deal with this dark time like you

23:16

need therapy but for

23:19

right now I'm just gonna kick your ass yeah I

23:22

have no choice you're kind of

23:24

going going after me yeah

23:27

the other thing that would be really

23:29

interesting to see Matt Murdock and really

23:31

just the the law offices of of

23:35

Nelson and Murdock and Paige

23:38

deal with it's like there's got to be

23:40

some sort of legal ramifications

23:42

some sort of legal problems

23:44

that arise from half

23:46

the population of the world disappeared for sure we've heard

23:49

a little bit about it in the Falcon

23:51

Winter Soldier and I think other things

23:53

like talked about like people flipping back

23:55

into other apartments where

23:57

people were already staying you know because they're

24:00

Yeah, you know, they've been gone for five

24:02

years. So yeah, like there's,

24:04

there's all kinds of stuff where like

24:06

people's inheritances have already been distributed stuff

24:08

like that. Like weird, you know, yeah,

24:11

relationship dynamics and you don't have a

24:13

401k anymore because it

24:15

was passed on got dispersed or, uh,

24:17

or, or like thinking about that, like,

24:20

Oh, I could totally see a villain who's

24:22

like driven by the fact

24:25

that his dad died during the blip

24:27

and his like brother like got

24:30

the company or something like that. You know what I mean? Like

24:32

one of those, like, I forget

24:36

the drama that's going on in like, uh, iron

24:39

fist or whatever, where there's like the two people

24:41

that are vying to become

24:43

the leader of the company. There's like a tour.

24:45

This is the two, the two characters are vying

24:48

to become leaders of the company. And Danny Rand

24:50

is sort of like comes

24:52

in and disrupts the whole thing. But like, he's

24:54

like, no, actually it's me. Yeah. What

24:57

if like all those people

24:59

blipped away or some of all those people have

25:01

blipped away and then it goes to someone else

25:03

and then they come back and they're like wanting

25:06

to use their mass fortune to get their

25:08

company back. And there's, you know, these like

25:10

kind of weird storylines that could all like

25:12

come from the blip, like cool ways to

25:14

use the blip in all these stories you're

25:16

writing. You're not the CEO

25:19

anymore because you were gone. Yeah.

25:21

But I think mostly it's the effect on the

25:24

characters that I'm interested in, like what you, what

25:26

they lost, what they thought they lost, what they

25:28

got back, like how are they dealing with that?

25:30

Like that's, that's the stuff that really interests me.

25:33

I would, oh man, I would love to see, um, uh, uh,

25:39

a thing where like somebody got blipped away and

25:42

a family member didn't and

25:45

the family member wants to like

25:47

maintain their home. You know,

25:49

you, you can't give the home away. You can't

25:51

let somebody else sublet it because they're

25:53

going to come back and like they're holding on to

25:56

that, that hope that they're going to

25:58

come back. the

26:00

Avengers are gonna fix it or whatever. They're

26:03

gonna come back, they're not just gone

26:05

forever. And

26:07

have to turn to

26:09

Matt Murdock for that legal help

26:12

to stop the landlord

26:15

from releasing the apartment or

26:21

whatever. And then

26:23

the battle internally of should we

26:25

give up hope, should

26:27

we give up hope or should we hang on to

26:29

that and

26:34

potentially run ourselves super

26:36

dry on money or whatever. That

26:40

would be something that very

26:43

internally troubled Matt

26:47

Murdock would be a great vehicle

26:50

for that sort of story. Yeah,

26:52

totally. Yeah,

26:54

I don't know, man, there's so much there. And I

26:57

just imagine that what we're doing right now

26:59

kind of bouncing ideas around and is

27:03

absolutely something that hopefully they

27:05

didn't, well, I say absolutely hopefully,

27:07

but hopefully that's something they did in the writers

27:09

room. I don't know that they'll like, I wouldn't

27:12

want them to make every story related to the

27:14

blip. I want it to

27:16

have its own life, but it

27:18

could absolutely be a source

27:21

of conflict for

27:23

characters. The kind of street level

27:25

conflict we need for a good Daredevil story. Yeah,

27:29

I mean, and it's

27:31

such a big event, like

27:34

five years is a long time in people's

27:36

lives to be gone

27:39

for sure. For sure. Well,

27:45

I'm just so excited for the show. And

27:48

the fact that it just seems to be shaving up to

27:50

be everything we've been asking for, for

27:52

like five years, I'm

27:55

very, very, very excited. This has been the

27:57

five year gap that I've been feeling. Yeah,

28:00

but this is our Netflix shows were all

28:02

blipped away and now they're finally coming

28:05

back Yeah, it wasn't half

28:07

of them. It was all of them All

28:09

of our friends were gone. I Killed

28:13

all my friends Well,

28:16

let's read a few feedbacks and We'll

28:19

dive in we'll dive into these and see what

28:22

people are saying It looks like our first ones

28:24

from Andre Sparks. He says hey So

28:26

I was listening to the two recent guests

28:28

about stories We didn't know we needed and

28:31

future genres and stories and I gotta say

28:33

I loved it I want to

28:35

share an idea I had based on your stories What

28:38

if Kang is still a threat, but he

28:40

sent his son to the past as a

28:42

spy sort of like your Wakanda spy Kang's

28:45

son is sent to change the past

28:47

to help his father Somehow

28:50

gets lost in time. So Kang doesn't know

28:52

where he is His

28:54

son thinks his father has forgotten about him So

28:56

he becomes a hero and instead of dating Cassie

28:58

like like Kang does in

29:01

the comics his son dates Kamala miss Marvel

29:03

And becomes part of the young Avengers Kang

29:06

learns of this from history in the future and

29:08

that's how Kang shows up in our time to

29:10

claim his son and our earth That

29:13

would make young Avengers important and worth watching.

29:15

What do you all think? Keep up the

29:17

good work Andre This

29:20

is really interesting and like Not

29:24

only in a this is a little bit

29:26

of a twist on the iron

29:28

lad storyline this is something that me and them I

29:31

believe in me and actually talked about this week about like How

29:34

you would do the Kang thing and how

29:36

you could bring back Kang without like it

29:39

being too obvious that iron lad was Kang

29:41

We're talking about like maybe use a different

29:43

character, but this is a nice twist on

29:45

it It's like instead of making iron lad

29:48

Kang you make him someone else

29:50

related to Kang so we're all like

29:52

don't trust him don't trust him and

29:54

then Like Kang shows

29:56

up and so saying you are me.

29:58

He's like you're my son son and I'm here

30:00

to get you and he's still a hero. You

30:03

know, like, so we've been mistrusting him because

30:05

he's Kang the whole time. And then it

30:07

turns out he's actually a hero

30:09

who he's trying to stop his father, Kang,

30:11

you know? Yeah.

30:13

Yeah. I could see that. I like that. I like that

30:16

even in just the like, I like

30:18

the head cannon of that because now I have

30:20

a thing I can think of during the movie.

30:22

If this ever happens, like who knows this could

30:24

fall either way. You know what I mean? He

30:28

might not. He might not be that guy.

30:30

But you also got like some interesting, like

30:34

themes with parenting, like

30:37

something that people talk about being a

30:40

parent is like, once

30:42

you have a kid, that's now your legacy,

30:44

you know what I mean? And

30:46

Kang is all about his legacy being

30:49

himself being perpetuated, you know, like in

30:52

improving and perpetuating himself.

30:55

And like, it kind of runs counter to the

30:57

idea of being a parent. You know what I

30:59

mean? Like the once it's that

31:01

whole, like once you see your parent kids

31:03

growing, you realize you're being replaced and you

31:05

can take that in different ways. And

31:08

I wonder if like how Kang would take

31:10

being a parent. Like obviously I think Andre's

31:12

right. He would absolutely just like think this

31:15

kid should serve him. Yeah.

31:17

You're here to do my bidding. I made

31:19

you to do my

31:21

bidding. Yeah. Oh man. I

31:23

like this idea, but like it doesn't make sense

31:25

as far as like lost in time. Not

31:28

able to find him. What if we

31:31

had that sort of thing, but Kang sent his son

31:33

back in order to be

31:36

a hero to set

31:38

himself up, like to

31:40

like his son being the hero and

31:42

like doing all the iron lad things

31:46

is what perpetuates everything coming

31:48

into play. So let Kang

31:51

take over and be the, the conqueror that he

31:53

is. Interesting. I

31:56

like it. And then it's like, it's that

31:58

whole. They

32:00

played with this idea in low-key. It's it's

32:02

an idea played a lot within the matrix

32:05

particularly matrix two where you're

32:07

like Are you

32:09

outside of the matrix really like what if

32:11

he had him back knowing? He would defy

32:13

him and become a hero, but that's what

32:15

he needed from him You

32:17

know, yeah, like he knows for a fact this defiant

32:20

kid is not gonna listen to him and he's gonna

32:22

do what you do Exactly

32:24

what Kang knows he's gonna do

32:27

because he's Kang and he sees all and

32:29

then then then you have that same sort

32:31

of Dynamic from the comics where it's like

32:34

instead of like you must now become

32:36

a evil dictator or whatever. It's like

32:39

Somehow he has to choose to stop being a

32:41

hero, you know I mean or like stop doing

32:43

the good things that he's like, I don't know

32:45

Yeah, like what is the choice there at the

32:48

end of that of that story? He has to

32:50

make that decision on like do

32:52

I continue being a hero and helping the people

32:54

I see that need help or Do

32:57

I stop that in order to make sure that I?

33:00

don't Set everything

33:03

in place for for this

33:05

guy in the future, right? like

33:09

You know and is there a way that I can

33:13

Is there a way that I can do the heroing thing? Without

33:16

setting up for him What

33:19

if I you know, there's got to be something that

33:21

he hasn't thought of or if I do the heel

33:23

turn and stop helping people Is that

33:25

now still playing into his hand

33:27

creates this like complete paranoia?

33:31

Where you're like anything you do is anything

33:33

your own free will and like that that

33:35

really is a I mean That's a question

33:37

we all sometimes have like Is

33:41

that what can we do that's outside of

33:43

the just like? Control that we've

33:45

been like put in under you know,

33:47

like all the computers

33:49

and social media and people and

33:52

leaders and like Influencers

33:54

and all the stuff we might be playing into

33:56

the algorithm. Yeah, am I am I just part

33:58

of the algorithm now? Like that's

34:01

the thing. Actually that's again

34:04

played with that in like Westworld,

34:06

season four I believe. It's

34:09

a really cool effect, I thought.

34:12

But I really thought that last season of Westworld got interesting

34:15

again. Like I think the first season's amazing. And

34:17

then I think it got a

34:19

little aimless for season or two. And then at

34:21

last I think it was season four is like

34:23

really interesting. And it

34:25

has like an algorithm that's like control,

34:28

like no, it's not controlling everyone. It's

34:30

just they use like, they

34:33

have an algorithm that just like knows

34:35

everything that's going to happen. It's so

34:38

good and knows everyone's mind so well

34:41

that it just can like see behind like

34:43

what everyone's gonna do. And it's like, oh

34:45

no, you're gonna die on this date because

34:47

I know how all of the variables work.

34:49

Right? If you've got all

34:51

the data. Yeah, exactly. That's the whole

34:54

thing on that. They have a whole,

34:56

they have like a God box that

34:58

knows everything. And it's like,

35:00

yeah. And some company is like using

35:02

it to make money or whatever, but like

35:05

they do. Like they do. Yeah,

35:09

I love sci-fi man. It's

35:12

just fun. Yeah, it's just fun. I think

35:14

though that Kang having that sort of algorithm

35:16

is like absolutely

35:19

up his alley. Oh, for sure.

35:22

Very much would play into that. I

35:25

sent you back for a reason and

35:27

you're gonna do the thing that

35:30

you're gonna do, but do you do

35:32

it because it's your own free will?

35:34

Maybe, maybe not. Is

35:37

what you're doing gonna lead to me?

35:39

Maybe, maybe not. Spoiler alert, it is.

35:42

Well, and that's so really great about

35:44

the end of Loki. Just

35:47

like that whole scene where

35:50

Loki goes back and talks to him and has to

35:52

figure out like, you know, how

35:55

to break the cycle, you know? And

35:57

still did he, like we, we. think

36:00

so. At

36:02

this juncture we

36:04

think so. Yeah, theoretically he did.

36:06

I say he did, but I put

36:12

a question mark on it. Well, it's really cool

36:14

because basically the whole thing is that Kang

36:17

in that scene is just counting

36:19

on the fact that Loki will

36:21

continue to be the selfish Loki

36:23

that he is, that he's always been,

36:26

and that he

36:29

will never make the decision to

36:31

just sit at the middle of time saving

36:33

universes. That's not the Loki we know. He won't be

36:36

holding the

36:43

time. He won't become the new loom.

36:45

Yeah, no way. No way.

36:47

Don't we ever do that? Yeah,

36:51

that turn when Loki

36:53

puts his finger up and

36:55

then basically turns the key in

36:57

the air to stop time. Yeah. And

37:00

you think this is the first time we've had

37:02

this coming? Yeah, it blew my mind. Yeah. Like,

37:05

bonkers. He got one over on Kang.

37:07

It's so good. I had to

37:10

go back and watch that entire series again. I love

37:13

it. Yep. Actually, J.

37:15

Vallejo here is talking

37:17

about that episode. Exactly.

37:19

Let's hear that. Yeah,

37:21

J. Vallejo, one of our patients says, my theory

37:24

for that insane episode six ending to Loki is

37:26

this. I think Loki

37:28

is holding the timeline hostage until he

37:30

who remains or the council of Kangs

37:32

comes to get him off the

37:35

newly established throne. After

37:37

all, he did tell he who remains that he

37:39

will find a way to change the story. Either

37:42

that or he literally added himself or

37:45

a variant of himself into each and

37:47

every timeline to fight off any possible

37:49

Kang variant in every timeline. So

37:52

basically, Loki will be everywhere that

37:54

Kang is. My mind has

37:56

so many theories going on and it's awesome,

37:58

lol. Stand up

38:01

table a ho. Hey, thank you Jay Interesting

38:06

I like I like it I like it

38:08

and I like that there's like this neither

38:10

of these is how I took it at

38:12

all like him holding We're the time on

38:15

hostage. I think he's just like

38:17

a new God Sitting

38:19

at the middle of the multiverse holding it

38:22

all together. That's how I See

38:24

the out of stories. He's the god of stories.

38:26

He's the god of like

38:29

self-sacrifice and You

38:31

know just just someone willing to just give

38:33

up everything to hold and hold the world

38:36

together The the whole like Atlas holding the

38:38

world, you know, like but it's the multi.

38:40

Yes. He is but his Idrisil It's

38:45

like Atlas holding up the heavens, but

38:48

it's really just like Atlas hugging a

38:50

tree. Yeah tree hugger Atlas. That's who

38:52

he is Yeah, giant Yggdrasil

38:56

Atlas just yeah, hold it

38:59

all together friggin hippies Don't

39:06

watch Marvel for the political content

39:08

you freaking hippies The

39:14

thing that Jay said though about

39:17

like Kang and

39:19

Loki being in every possible timeline

39:22

like fighting off Kang in every timeline

39:24

That makes me think of that that scene

39:27

in Umbrella Academy where Five

39:29

is fighting older five. Oh, yeah,

39:32

that's super and they're like just

39:34

teleporting around each other in slow

39:36

motion Just blip blip blip blip all over the

39:38

place like it's that but

39:40

in different timelines and like Loki

39:43

defending against Kang Loki swinging at

39:45

Kang like and then changing costumes

39:47

between each one because they're all

39:49

in in different timelines and And

39:54

like one of those has to be

39:56

oh that one of those has to

39:58

be the gunslinger like Western Loki

40:00

that we saw in What If?

40:02

Yeah. Yeah. That

40:04

would be so good! That would be really fun. Yeah,

40:10

that is a fun theory.

40:12

And yeah, like I

40:15

said, neither of these things I have

40:17

thought about, and I love that like

40:19

Jay has two ideas, and they're both

40:21

totally reasonable and totally could be a

40:23

thing that he's doing, but like, we

40:26

don't really have evidence for it, but there's no evidence

40:28

against it either. It's just such a vague ending that

40:30

they could go so many ways with it. It's a

40:33

lot of fun. Yeah. Oh

40:35

man. It's just vague enough

40:37

to be applicable in any

40:39

direction. Yeah, for sure. But

40:42

yeah, I love that. Oh man,

40:44

well, we've gone about 40

40:46

minutes and that's about what we talked about because we

40:49

were kind of keeping it tight tonight because there's

40:51

not a lot of news in that and we

40:54

didn't have a commissioned episode prepped yet. So in

40:56

the coming weeks we're going to do some cool

40:58

commissioned episodes and we're going to get back to

41:00

our Infinity Saga rewatch, but

41:02

we didn't want to leave y'all hanging out on Friday

41:04

with no episodes, so we wanted to pop in and

41:06

talk for a little bit. Yeah.

41:09

And yeah, the Daredevil stuff is so

41:12

exciting. It

41:14

really is. It really is. Between, like,

41:17

I know there's so

41:19

many negative, and I know I've said the

41:22

thing about like Loki,

41:25

what if Echo back to back

41:27

really woke me up. Like,

41:29

I am so pumped. Like, it covered

41:32

over many secret invasions, but

41:35

like covered over

41:37

a multitude of secret invasions to get biblical with

41:40

it. But

41:44

I now am faced with this thing

41:46

looking to the future and

41:48

like this year's projects. Freaking

41:51

Deadpool coming soon, Agatha

41:54

before long, and

41:57

Daredevil born again before long. Like maybe

41:59

next year. still like those

42:01

are in another season of what if well yeah

42:03

for sure there's a lot of little ones I'm

42:06

excited for and what if I mean I loved

42:08

it I'm excited for it but like Agatha

42:11

Deadpool and Daredevil are way

42:14

up on my list of things I want to

42:16

see from the MCU and I yeah a lot

42:18

of cool stuff coming guys just

42:22

fun and speculate Captain America Brave

42:24

New World yeah yeah

42:26

yeah which is what the next collector

42:30

core box is gonna be and

42:32

thunderbolts is coming oh man

42:35

and thunderbolt yeah did you hear the

42:37

other news I think I feel

42:39

like maybe we talked about this on Monday me and

42:41

Ash but uh this is Steven Yun yes

42:44

it's even young exited and mr.

42:49

Pullman I can't remember his

42:51

name first name Bill

42:54

no his son oh Bill

42:59

Pullman's son is like what isn't Bill

43:01

Pullman like really old yeah he's

43:04

playing sentry no Lewis

43:06

Pullman Lewis Pullman

43:08

is playing is is

43:10

their their top pick to come in and he just

43:12

he was just in lessons in chemistry did you see

43:14

that no I did

43:16

not very good he's been in a number of

43:18

things but uh he's really good

43:22

and I'm excited for that but also

43:24

they they say that a Melina

43:27

and Bill Foster

43:29

are supposed to be coming

43:32

in thunderbolts which makes a lot of sense

43:35

given that ghost and Yelena will

43:37

be there yeah but uh yep

43:39

that's that's really exciting and it's

43:42

really adding cool people stuff man

43:46

give me more I'm not

43:49

as excited for either Captain America

43:52

or thunderbolt as I am for

43:54

those other ones

43:56

I just mentioned Deadpool and Daredevil and

43:58

Agatha but like I'm still really

44:00

excited and as they get here I feel like

44:03

my excitement level for the MCU is just gonna get bigger.

44:07

Yeah. Get that hype

44:09

train rolling again! It's rolling man, it's rolling in

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my heart. It

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never stopped baby! It slowed down,

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it went uphill, but it was a little engine that could,

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you know. Chugga chugga chugga.

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I think I can, I think I can. I

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love how you almost went to major pain on that one.

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Chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga

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chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga

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chugga chugga chugga. But

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man it has crested the hill and

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it's picking up speed. I'm

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feeling it. Oh man, let's hope

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it doesn't run off the rails like this conversation is.

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Well, this is what we do man. That's

44:52

what we do around here, the Marvel Cinematic

44:54

Universe podcast. Peace.

44:57

Until next time, true believers. Hey,

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to you guys. You are

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