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Welcome back

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to another insightful episode of

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me&my health up. I'm your host,

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Anthony Hartcher, a clinical

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nutritionist and lifestyle

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medicine specialist. The purpose

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of this podcast is to enhance

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and enlighten your well-being.

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And today, you have me doing

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that just for you. And we're

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going to be talking about the

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transformation, transformation,

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a world of, you know, we either

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live in a world of

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transformation, or we live in

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that world of gain or loss. And

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it's really how we see the world

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and how we perceive the world is

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whether it's a life of

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transformation, or a life of

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gain or, or loss. And so really

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wanting to explore this subject

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with you. And so it's going to

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be pretty much a free-flowing

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episode, probably just like all

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the other episodes, I don't

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really have an attached outcome

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or an outcome other than I just

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want to share some thoughts with

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you and get you thinking, as

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opposed to saying, this is the

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defined outcome of this episode.

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And this is what you'll walk

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away with, what I want you to

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walk away with, is just an open

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mind and an inquisitive mind.

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And it's something that I have,

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and it's something that I'm

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always looking to do is to

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broaden my horizons, to broaden

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my outlook on life, and not to

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be fixated on particular way,

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this is the way life should be.

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And therefore, if it's not this

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way, I'm upset. And if it and if

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it's aligning to that my way of

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thinking, then I'm happy, I'm

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totally detached from all that I

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just live day by day, morning by

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morning, night by night, moment

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by moment. And it is a really

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great state to be in is when you

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are just allowing life to be and

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not judging it. And really going

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about your day living by

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priority. It's certainly what I

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do, I just set out these in my

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priorities. This is what I'm

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going to fulfill this day with.

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And I'm not really attached to a

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certain outcome for the day, and

2:09

hence, I'm not worried about the

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weather. I'm not worried about

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what people might say, or

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whether I'm going to receive

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criticism or whether people are

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going to support me that day, I

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just go with the flow, so to

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speak. And I was just reflecting

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as to how do I or how have I

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transformed into this way of

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thinking. And it's been very

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much shaped by my upbringing. My

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upbringing wasn't really, it was

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a fantastic upbringing. I mean,

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I can only be grateful for it, I

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certainly I'm happy, you know,

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like, it's, well, you know, it's

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not that happy. It's more

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grateful, actually. It's not,

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it's not happy, because I don't

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know any other way of an

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upbringing. So it's, I'm just

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grateful for what I've I've had

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and who I am today. And the

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reason why I'm raising this is

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I've often reflected as to why

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my mental health or resilience

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is what I consider healthy or

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solid or stable. You know, when

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I look at what other people are

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going through, and their

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challenges, and I often reflect

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back it, a lot of it's

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contributed to my upbringing,

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because when I was going through

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life, my parents allowed me to

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just shape my own life, really,

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they provided direction, but

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they weren't hard on this is the

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way it's got to be. And this is

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what you got to do. And, and if

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you're not living up to this,

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therefore, you're not worthy, or

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something like that. It was

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always just allowing me to be

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me, which I think is a fantastic

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way to be, you know, later on in

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life is to really be comfortable

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with who you are. And I think

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too often, parents may just

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think that this is the way I

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want a kid to be raised, or this

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is the way it should be. Or this

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is the outcome of the children I

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want, this is where I want them

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to be. And it's that attachment

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to that outcome that causes a

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lot of suffering to parents.

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Whereas if the parents allow

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their kids to be and allow them

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to transform, and to explore and

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to be inquisitive, because when

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you have like, as a parent, a

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fixated outcome for a child, and

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this can be you know, you can if

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you don't have children, you can

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think about your partner. So if

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you think this is the way in

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which a partner should be or

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this is my ideal version, or a

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fantasy of the partner, I've

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always wanted and desired and

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therefore I'm going to shape

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them to be this person. It's the

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same as the child if you're

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thinking, you know, this is the

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child I want to raise and it's

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got to be this way, then you're

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forcing outcomes you're forcing

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a result. And it you know, for

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the partner, you know, if you're

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trying to force that for the

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partner, their not being

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themselves, they're trying to

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meet you and your expectations

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and trying to please you,

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inevitably, they'll let you down

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or you're perceived that they've

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let you down. In actual fact,

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they haven't let you down.

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They're just being them. And

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it's the same with children,

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when you have this fantasy of

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this is the way that my child

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should behave, or this is what

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my child should do as a

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occupation, or this is the sort

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of results my child should get,

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then you're setting yourself up

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for letdown, you're setting

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yourself up for disappointment

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because at the end of the day,

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they're going to be just one

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wanting to be them. And so

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they're going to do things that

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are them. But you're seeing a

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different version or wanting to

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a different version of them to

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evolve, but they're going to

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evolve as who they are. And, and

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sometimes it will meet your

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expectation or meet your

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fantasy, and the stars will

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align, so to speak. But it's

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inevitably most likely that most

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of the time, you're gonna feel

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some sort of disappointment or

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letdown, but they haven't let

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you down, you've let yourself

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down by being attached to the

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outcome. And this is this whole

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thing around attachment and

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versus transformation or versus

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flow. When we get attached, we

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have this fantasy of the way

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things should be or a nightmare

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of the way we don't want things

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to be. And so we've we've got

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this black-and-white view of the

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world. And it's very much in

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that amygdala, where we have and

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the black-and-white world

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resides. And so what am I

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referring to when I talk about

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the amygdala, or the limbic

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center, that limbic system, or

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the emotional center or the

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desire center, it is our animal

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brain, it's our mammalian brain,

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it's our brain that is about

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survival, and it helps us

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survive, which is really

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important. But if we want a life

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of transformation, it doesn't

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exist in the amygdala, limbic

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center, the hippocampus, or any

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part of that, that midsection of

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the brain, which is the

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mammalian part of the brain, our

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evolution of our brain has

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evolved to a point that we can

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be the master of our destiny, we

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can choose the life that we want

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to live. However, if we're

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fixated on a particular way,

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then we're going to be running

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away from the nightmare of what

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we don't want, which is the

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opposite. Or we're going to be

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constantly running towards a

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fantasy, which we keep running

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towards, but we never actually

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obtain. And it's a bit like the

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lottery, so to speak, you know,

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people have a fantasy around

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what it's like winning the

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lottery. And they only have a

7:43

one-sided view of what it would

7:43

be like to win the lottery, they

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don't have a balanced

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perspective, because there's two

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sides of winning the lottery.

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And there's two sides of the

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nightmare, the nightmare is not

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a one-sided outcome, it has two

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sides to it. And often, people's

7:57

success comes out of a nightmare

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or perceived nightmare from

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other people in terms of either

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you know, that would be such a

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disaster, or at the time it was

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perceived as as a disaster. But

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when that person that

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experienced the disaster

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reflects back on it, they say

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that was the turning point, that

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was the difference that actually

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propelled them forward. And that

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made a difference. And so that

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outcome always had two sides.

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But the person or the outsider

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perceiving the person who was

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considered the victim in that

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situation, saw it as just a

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one-sided, terrible, disastrous,

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and it was like, how could life

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treat me that way, but life is

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life. And this is the whole

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world we live in is it's in a

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constant state of

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transformation. And at every

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level, so when we look at mass

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mass cannot be created or

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destroyed, it just is

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transformed. And so same with

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energy, energy cannot be created

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or destroyed. It's just

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transformed from one form to

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another. And so if we have a

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fixation on a particular form,

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and it doesn't appear that way,

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then we get disappointed. And

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then we're upset. And we think,

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well, now life shouldn't be this

9:10

way. But life is it is in this

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constant state of flux. And so

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what we the best way to go about

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this is just seeing life as a

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transformative event. So let me

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share some examples of this. So

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when we get attached to an

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identity, so I've had many

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identities throughout my life,

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but I've never really had an

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attachment to it. So you could

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say, you know, what were you I

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was, you know, if you want to

9:40

label things or identify myself

9:40

with something, and that being a

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lot of the time we identify

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ourselves with occupations. So

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I'm a chemical engineer, or I

9:48

was a chemical engineer, but I

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never really was ever attached

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to that chemical engineer title.

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I was just me and I was going

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about what a chemical engineer

9:58

may do but I did it my way. And

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so I didn't have a traditional

10:02

chemical engineering occupation,

10:02

it was always morphing and

10:06

transforming because I was just

10:06

allowing it to be I didn't have

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any preconceived ideas that a

10:10

chemical engineer does this. And

10:14

therefore, this is what I should

10:14

do as a chemical engineer, I

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just went about being curious

10:18

and open. And I continued being

10:22

curious and opened. And that

10:22

sort of chemical engineers sort

10:26

of started out in the lab, doing

10:26

laboratory scientific sort of

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experiments with explosives and

10:30

going out and testing them. But

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is that what a real chemical

10:34

engineer does? I'm not sure. I

10:38

don't know, I just allow it

10:38

allowed the evolution of me. And

10:42

that sort of went into then

10:42

account management, lead into

10:45

sales, lead into marketing. And

10:45

also it was just the evolvement

10:49

of my career. But I never got

10:49

attached to any of the titles.

10:53

And I remember, my manager once

10:53

came to me and said, Oh, we've

10:57

got this great job description

10:57

for you. And we think, you know,

11:01

we want give us feedback on the

11:01

title. And they gave me a title.

11:05

And I said, you know, I just

11:05

didn't have any attachment to a

11:09

title. And because I never

11:09

allowed a title to define me, I

11:13

always just have been this

11:13

curious, open person. And I

11:16

still am today. I mean, every

11:16

episode, I say, I'm a clinical

11:20

nutritionist and lifestyle

11:20

medicine specialist. But you've

11:24

probably heard many episodes

11:24

where I haven't shared anything

11:28

about nutrition or anything

11:28

about lifestyle. And I've spoken

11:32

about the neuroscience and

11:32

mindset, because I'm curious in

11:35

all aspects of life, and

11:35

mindset. And I guess, the way we

11:39

think and our brains really

11:39

determined the path of which we

11:43

go down. Because if we have a

11:43

preconceived idea, then we're

11:47

looking for things that support

11:47

that preconceived idea. And

11:51

we're grasping onto them, we're

11:51

attaching ourselves to them. And

11:55

so we're sort of bolting that on

11:55

to us, and to allow that to

11:59

define us. And to therefore say

11:59

that I'm living out the fantasy

12:03

that I thought that this was

12:03

what a chemical engineer did,

12:06

but I didn't have any

12:06

preconceived ideas, or I just,

12:10

yeah, I graduated with a

12:10

chemical engineering degree. But

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I didn't have a fantasy about

12:13

this is what a chemical engineer

12:17

does, or this is what I want my

12:17

career to be. I just allowed

12:21

that to evolve. Yes, I set

12:21

goals. But I'm not fixated on

12:25

the outcome. So I've set goals

12:25

around this podcast, but I still

12:29

do it. And it's because I'm not

12:29

fixated on downloads. A lot of

12:33

people with podcasts give up.

12:33

Because they're, they've got

12:37

this fantasy that they'll

12:37

achieve this many downloads in

12:40

this time period. And if they

12:40

don't, they're a failure. I

12:44

don't have any preconceived

12:44

ideas. My numbers go up and

12:47

down. And you know, for me, it's

12:47

not thinking ah it's a bad

12:51

episode, or could be a bad

12:51

episode. Like, I certainly don't

12:55

attach myself to producing good

12:55

episodes all the time. I just

12:59

allowed me to be me and my

12:59

freestyle approach. I'm not

13:02

rigid, like, yes, I've looked up

13:02

to people that have done really

13:07

well in podcasting. And you

13:07

know, they're saying,

13:10

everything's got to be perfect,

13:10

and you got to be

13:13

transcript-perfect. And if you

13:13

don't do that transcript-perfect

13:17

episode, you should redo it.

13:17

That's not me. I don't want to

13:21

be that person. And probably why

13:21

I haven't achieved the results

13:25

they've achieved. But doesn't

13:25

worry me because I'm on mission.

13:29

My mission is to enhance and

13:29

enlighten your well-being. I'm

13:33

just sharing some thoughts in

13:33

this episode, which I'm not

13:36

attached to an outcome. I'm

13:36

struggling to even define the

13:40

label or the title of this

13:40

episode, other than I just want

13:44

you to take away that be you, be

13:44

open and curious. Don't be

13:47

attached to a particular

13:47

identity, allow your evolution.

13:51

I'm always allowing my

13:51

evolution. I actually didn't

13:54

start studying Clinical

13:54

Nutrition after my so-called

13:58

chemical engineering

13:58

occupational career, I actually

14:01

started naturopathy, and but I

14:01

didn't have an attachment to

14:05

being a naturopath, obviously,

14:05

because I didn't finish the

14:09

degree I ended up transferring

14:09

to nutrition as to why, well, I

14:13

allowed like so. And the great

14:13

thing is I had that flexibility

14:17

because what I was concerned

14:17

about was me working full time

14:20

raising a young family and

14:20

studying just about full time.

14:24

And so I'd taken too much on I

14:24

was causing, I guess, a lot of

14:28

disharmony within the family and

14:28

relationships. And I thought,

14:32

well, I'm not attached to this

14:32

naturopathy. So why not just

14:36

take an easier path, which was

14:36

nutrition? An easier path was

14:40

just less time to take to finish

14:40

it. It wasn't necessarily easy

14:44

in terms of study. I just wanted

14:44

to finish it sooner. And but

14:48

because I wasn't fixated on

14:48

naturopathy, I allowed that just

14:51

natural evolution to evolve into

14:51

nutrition. Yet I still adopt

14:55

naturopathic principles when I'm

14:55

consulting, so it's not that

14:59

I've wasted my time and I

14:59

didn't, you know, I taken

15:03

naturopathy into what I do

15:03

today. And I'm very much that

15:06

natural doctor or that natural

15:06

physician or natural

15:10

practitioner, whatever you want

15:10

to label me as hence, So even

15:13

today with the evolution of my

15:13

business, like in terms of, in

15:17

order to attract the people that

15:17

you want to grow to, you know,

15:21

you want to grow your business

15:21

or to attract that ideal client,

15:25

therefore, you need to define

15:25

yourself, it's always been a

15:29

struggle for me, because I've

15:29

never fitted into a box, my life

15:33

never been in a box. My

15:33

upbringing was, I didn't fit

15:37

into the ideal student, I

15:37

struggled at school, actually,

15:40

really, you could, some people

15:40

would say that I failed at

15:44

school, and didn't get a great

15:44

high school certificate mark. It

15:48

wasn't great. But it's never

15:48

stopped me learning, it's never

15:52

stopped my evolvement. In terms

15:52

of who I am today, I've just

15:56

allowed the transformation, I

15:56

didn't get attached to a HSC

15:59

mark. So for those students

15:59

listening out there, I don't

16:03

want you to get fixated on like,

16:03

you have to get this score. And

16:07

if you don't get this score,

16:07

you're a failure. Not at all,

16:11

you're not a failure. It's just

16:11

the evolution of you. And allow

16:15

you to be you, and allow that

16:15

evolution to happen. Because

16:19

with my curiosity, and my

16:19

openness, I'm constantly

16:22

learning, I'm constantly

16:22

evolving. And it's probably why

16:25

I'm not fixated to an outcome of

16:25

this podcast. And I need to get

16:30

this many downloads. And this

16:30

many downloads and followers

16:33

will define me, it doesn't

16:33

define me, what I do this for is

16:37

to enhance and enlighten your

16:37

well-being. And I do have people

16:41

listening to it, hence why I

16:41

keep doing it, because I'm

16:45

adding some value. And I'm still

16:45

doing it today because it's

16:49

helping me achieve my outcome,

16:49

which is to enhance and

16:52

enlighten your well-being. And

16:52

I've got no vision or fantasy of

16:56

what it's going to be. I just

16:56

allow it to be a natural

17:00

evolution that and as you can

17:00

see, lots of episodes have sort

17:03

of gone down various rabbit

17:03

holes, and I've tried new

17:07

things. And my podcast is sort

17:07

of a bit wishy-washy mix-match.

17:11

But that's my evolution. That's

17:11

who I am. And I guess I attract

17:15

some people that like the

17:15

message or the stories I share

17:19

or the openness I have, because

17:19

I am I'm being very open on this

17:23

podcast I'm sharing with you

17:23

that this episode is bit of a

17:26

bit of just thinking and but

17:26

it's it's sharing with you that

17:30

what's really served me today

17:30

around my mental health and my

17:34

health is not being attached to

17:34

certain outcomes that my

17:38

physiques got to be, I need to

17:38

look a certain way. I've never

17:42

had body dysmorphia, because

17:42

I've just allowed it to be and

17:45

to serve me in terms of what I'm

17:45

doing at the time. I've played

17:49

rugby, I've run, I've swam, I've

17:49

done lots of various sports. And

17:54

I, you know, and some of these

17:54

sports require a certain

17:57

physique, but I haven't attached

17:57

myself to that sport, and I

18:01

haven't attached myself to that

18:01

physique. And I just enjoyed

18:05

doing it. It's like martial arts

18:05

at the moment, I'm doing martial

18:09

arts, and I'm not changing me,

18:09

I'm just being me. But I've

18:13

allowed the evolution of myself

18:13

through martial arts, and I've

18:17

improved through my journey, but

18:17

I'm not fixated that I need to

18:21

be this sort of fighter or I

18:21

need to achieve this sort of

18:25

outcome. I've just focused on,

18:25

you know, just improving certain

18:29

areas, but doing it in my way

18:29

and, and it's just allowed the

18:32

evolution of me in the in the

18:32

martial arts, but the martial

18:36

arts space, but I'm not fixated

18:36

on certain outcomes. I'm just

18:40

allowing my growth and but I'm

18:40

not thinking if I don't achieve

18:44

this in this certain time then

18:44

I'm a failure. Yes, I have

18:48

goals, but they're not fixated.

18:48

I'm not really fixated on it

18:52

like black and white, I allow

18:52

the evolution of that goal. It's

18:56

just like my study my evolution,

18:56

you can see through the, through

19:00

this podcast, in terms of, you

19:00

know, I started off having a lot

19:04

of guests and inviting sort of

19:04

all sorts of guests from all

19:08

areas of life and but you know,

19:08

I'm doing a lot of episodes now.

19:12

And that's the evolution of me,

19:12

because initially, I was

19:15

uncomfortable because I was

19:15

thinking I had that what we call

19:19

the it's not coming to me now.

19:19

But it will come and you're

19:23

probably you've probably picked

19:23

it up already. Right? So I'm not

19:27

worried about that. These

19:27

episodes of failure because this

19:31

was not coming to the but and it's still not coming to me,

19:34

but it will but you've you've

19:38

got it right. You've got it. And

19:38

so I was thinking who would want

19:42

to listen to me, you know, what

19:42

have I got to share what you

19:46

know, I'm inferior, you know,

19:46

the words still not coming to me

19:50

and hence, I'm not attached to

19:50

this word coming to me and if it

19:55

doesn't, by the end of the

19:55

episode, it doesn't matter. But

19:58

I think you've got the point I'm

19:58

trying to make is that I saw

20:02

myself inferior to others and

20:02

that everyone else had a message

20:06

and a voice to share and, but

20:06

who would want to listen to me,

20:10

you got I mean like, and, and so

20:10

I had guest on just continual

20:15

guests because I thought, yes,

20:15

people want to hear their

20:18

message. But I, I've got no much

20:18

value to add. But I've through

20:22

interviewing the guests, I've

20:22

realised that I can see in them

20:26

a quality that I wasn't owning.

20:26

And so my evolution in terms of

20:31

my development has grown through

20:31

interviewing the guests. And so

20:35

I didn't really expect this

20:35

podcast to have a whole lot of

20:39

episodes with me talking. But

20:39

it's been growth of me. And

20:42

hence, if I had started that

20:42

podcast saying this is the

20:46

boundaries of which this podcast

20:46

will operate in, it wouldn't

20:50

have allowed the evolution of

20:50

me, it probably wouldn't have

20:54

allowed the evolution of the

20:54

guests and the various topics,

20:58

it's just because this podcast

20:58

has started being open. And

21:01

because I don't like I don't

21:01

attach myself to outcomes, or I

21:05

don't box myself in, I just

21:05

allow it to transform, and to

21:09

grow and develop. And this

21:09

podcast has been transforming

21:13

and developing, with my

21:13

transform and developing around

21:16

my growth, my evolution, and

21:16

business will to the right of

21:20

your business growth will grow

21:20

based on your growth and your

21:24

openness and your expansive mind

21:24

or how close you are. So your

21:28

limitations will be defined by

21:28

that fixation that you have on a

21:32

black-and-white view of how

21:32

business should be. But I don't

21:36

have that black-and-white view.

21:36

I'm curious to see how other

21:40

people do it. And whether I

21:40

should I try that. And yes, I am

21:44

trying various aspects around

21:44

growing my podcast, and seeing

21:48

whether it works. But

21:48

ultimately, I keep coming back

21:52

to just being me. And I remember

21:52

one of the guests said to me,

21:56

they said, your point of

21:56

differentiation is you I

21:59

thought, yeah, because there's

21:59

no other person in this world

22:03

that is like me. And so some

22:03

people that are attracted to me,

22:07

and yes, some people get on to

22:07

my episodes and repelled by it.

22:11

But I'm just not for them. And

22:11

again, I'm only going to attract

22:15

those that like what I share,

22:15

like who I am, but those that

22:19

don't like me will go and listen

22:19

to someone else. But that's the

22:23

great thing about podcasts is

22:23

that there's lots of podcasts

22:27

out there, and they can find

22:27

someone that best resonates with

22:31

them. But I'm not trying to be

22:31

Andrew Huberman. I'm not trying

22:35

to be you know, any celebrity

22:35

around podcasting, I'm just

22:39

being me and allowing the

22:39

evolution to be I'm not I'm not

22:43

attached to an outcome. And

22:43

podcasting, in actual fact,

22:46

doesn't define me, I do

22:46

podcasting. But I'm not defining

22:50

myself or labeling labeling

22:50

myself as a podcaster. Yes, I do

22:54

share that in order for people

22:54

to better understand who I am,

22:58

or get some sort of sense of who

22:58

I am. But I'm just constantly

23:02

growing and evolving. And you've

23:02

probably seen in terms of the

23:06

information I share on this

23:06

podcast, as to the level of

23:10

curiosity I have, and hence all

23:10

these rabbit holes, I go down

23:14

and explore with you. And but

23:14

this is what this podcast is

23:17

it's constantly me evolving my

23:17

education and sharing it with

23:21

you. And part of my learning

23:21

process is sharing it with you.

23:25

So I don't necessarily have

23:25

mastery around the subject

23:29

matter. But in order to gain

23:29

mastery, I need to start

23:32

teaching it in order to evolve

23:32

my thinking. Because often I

23:36

share concepts, I'm thinking I

23:36

don't really have a great grasp

23:40

of this concept. But I'm going

23:40

to share my understanding at

23:44

that point in time around that

23:44

concept. The thing that that

23:48

opens up is that it's it lights

23:48

a light bulb in me to say, I

23:52

need to better understand that.

23:52

And I want to understand that

23:56

better, so I can better help

23:56

you. And so this podcast keeps

24:00

me evolving through me looking

24:00

for information as to how I'm

24:04

going to add further value to

24:04

you. And then I still get the

24:08

guests on to add their

24:08

understanding, which is often

24:11

much higher than mine. But it

24:11

also enables me to grow further

24:15

by them sharing concepts that I

24:15

don't understand. And I just

24:19

want to think well, yeah, that's

24:19

an interesting concept. Let me

24:23

better understand that. So I'll

24:23

go into the education and get a

24:27

better grasp of in terms of what

24:27

they're sharing. And so what I'm

24:32

wanting to ultimately get across

24:32

to you in this episode, is allow

24:36

your natural evolution, allow

24:36

your natural transformation. And

24:40

the way to get away from this

24:40

sort of gain or loss is not sort

24:44

of focus on the beginning and

24:44

end of things I see you know,

24:48

this is the start of a new year.

24:48

And there's lots of posting

24:52

about this person's last first

24:52

day and or the last day of last

24:56

day or last first day of this or

24:56

whatever and they're constantly

25:00

defining this just stop, start,

25:00

stop, start. But life isn't

25:04

just, there's no stop-start.

25:04

It's just constantly

25:07

transforming. There's no defined

25:07

unless we want to define as a

25:11

stop-start. So I never, you

25:11

know, and like, so some people

25:15

actually achieved their mark in

25:15

the HSC. And then that's the end

25:19

of their education, they've

25:19

achieved that 99 or whatever,

25:23

and, and they stop learning.

25:23

Whereas I never had an outcome

25:27

that I sort of had a desire that

25:27

I wanted to get into this uni

25:31

course. But I never got the mark

25:31

to get into that uni course. But

25:35

it didn't stop me from doing

25:35

that uni course at the uni I

25:39

wanted to, because there's

25:39

always other ways. And I think

25:43

when you have an open mind,

25:43

therefore I don't, because I

25:47

didn't get this mark. That's the

25:47

end of it. And therefore I'm

25:51

gonna have to do something else.

25:51

And my life's ruined. I didn't

25:55

think that I just thought, Well,

25:55

how else can I get into what I

25:59

wanted to get into, and I found

25:59

a way. And this is what I want

26:03

to share with you is when you're

26:03

black and white in terms of your

26:07

thinking, you will be

26:07

disappointed, and you'll give up

26:11

and move on. And think no,

26:11

that's not for me. But I've,

26:14

I've always allowed an open way

26:14

of getting there and I'm not a

26:18

predetermined way of getting

26:18

there. And so I end up getting

26:22

there, but through my own

26:22

pathway. And it's because I have

26:26

this open mind, and I'm not

26:26

attached to the outcome, I don't

26:30

have a fantasy of this is the

26:30

only way that it needs, it

26:34

should be done. Or this is the

26:34

way this person should be. I

26:38

allow them to be and allow them

26:38

to grow in their natural

26:41

evolution. And I'm not attached

26:41

to this is the way they should

26:45

treat me or this is, you know, I

26:45

just allow it to be. That's who

26:50

they are. And that's how they

26:50

responded in that moment. That's

26:54

them. But I'm not attached to

26:54

any response that this is how

26:58

they should have responded in

26:58

that moment to me. So because I

27:02

don't have any of that sort of

27:02

attachment. And I'm totally

27:05

detached, I just allow life to

27:05

be and the transformation of me,

27:10

I'm just constantly open and

27:10

expanding. And my relationships

27:13

are constantly opening,

27:13

expanding, because I'm not

27:17

fixated on the way people should

27:17

be. And I don't feel that people

27:21

ever let me down. They're just

27:21

them. Okay, and I and I just

27:25

want you to start breaking away

27:25

this black-and-white thinking,

27:29

and this attachment to

27:29

fantasies, and then or attach or

27:33

the you're trying to run away

27:33

from nightmares is the nightmare

27:37

can be the best thing that ever

27:37

happened to you, right? If it

27:41

does happen. And so you just

27:41

don't know and just allow the

27:45

flow, just to be you. And to

27:45

allow the growth of you and the

27:48

transformation of you. Don't be

27:48

fixated on identities because it

27:53

like some people get fixated on

27:53

their career job, and then they

27:57

lose that job. And then they

27:57

they're depressed because they

28:01

sense that they've lost some

28:01

identity. But it's only because

28:05

they attach themselves to that

28:05

identity. I don't have like, if

28:09

I was to lose my practicing

28:09

license as a nutritionist would

28:13

have fazed me? No, not at all.

28:13

Because I'm just allowing the

28:17

transformation of me. And an

28:17

actual fact, you can probably

28:20

say that I've transformed my way

28:20

of thinking around nutrition.

28:24

And so that might not fix the

28:24

box or the the label or the I

28:28

guess structure that people

28:28

traditionally put around

28:32

nutrition. I've totally expanded

28:32

my view around nutrition. And my

28:36

way on which I do nutrition has

28:36

totally expanded. And I'm

28:40

starting to share this on this

28:40

episode as to how I have a more

28:44

expansive view of nutrition that

28:44

may kick me out of my

28:47

association because I have a

28:47

differing view. And I'm not

28:51

fixated on this is the way

28:51

nutrition has to be practiced. I

28:55

have more expansive view, but

28:55

it's not going to stop me. And

28:59

I'm not defined as whether I've

28:59

got that clinical nutrition

29:03

title. Um, you know, if I don't

29:03

know how to define myself, I

29:07

really don't because I'm

29:07

constantly transforming.

29:10

Sometimes I call myself a

29:10

holistic health practitioner

29:14

because I practice holism around

29:14

health. But what what is that?

29:18

Well, yeah, it gets what is that?

29:20

I'm not fixated on it. I'm just

29:20

expanding and unlearning and

29:23

constantly evolving myself so

29:23

that I can pass that on to my

29:27

clients so that they have they

29:27

can constantly grow in their

29:31

health, because if I'm fixated

29:31

in the way health should be,

29:35

then I'm actually I guess, in

29:35

some way inhibiting the ability

29:39

or inhibiting the outcomes of my

29:39

clients because I'm not allowing

29:43

the evolution. Because health is

29:43

constantly evolving. As you

29:47

know, we're learning more new

29:47

things around the science and

29:50

the evolution of our

29:50

understanding. And so some of

29:53

the things that I used to teach

29:53

have I've realised that it's not

29:58

totally true, you're gonna mean

29:58

like it, it was probably true at

30:02

the time in terms of my level of

30:02

understanding and the

30:05

limitations we had around our

30:05

scientific understanding at that

30:09

time around the studies. But

30:09

because everything's evolving,

30:13

I'm open to saying some of the

30:13

things that I've shared in

30:16

earlier episodes were the truth

30:16

of that time or were the

30:20

understanding of that time. But

30:20

certainly, because of my

30:24

evolution, I don't teach that

30:24

anymore, or I have an advanced

30:27

knowledge of that subject

30:27

matter, probably better put it I

30:31

just have an advanced knowledge

30:31

and understanding of that

30:35

subject matter, because I've

30:35

done episodes on cholesterol,

30:39

that now I look back and think,

30:39

oh, that's, you know, it's

30:42

probably not the full truth at

30:42

the moment. But it's just

30:46

because the science has evolved.

30:46

And my understanding has

30:49

evolved. And I certainly don't

30:49

view cholesterol as bad anymore.

30:53

I certainly have it served. And

30:53

it's because I've allowed myself

30:58

to be open. And I'm not fixated

30:58

that cholesterol is bad, I'm not

31:02

fixated that certain foods are

31:02

bad. They are what they are. And

31:06

they have both sides, right? And

31:06

it depends on the person what

31:10

their goals are, and what

31:10

they're seeking in terms of

31:13

healthy outcomes as to whether

31:13

it's going to be part of their

31:17

health plan or not. So that's it

31:17

for this episode. As I said, I

31:21

didn't have a predetermined

31:21

outcome other than I want you to

31:25

be curious and not to live in

31:25

this world of gain or loss, I

31:29

want you to be a master of

31:29

transformation and allow

31:32

yourself to evolve, and not get

31:32

attached to titles, outcomes, or

31:36

identities. Just allow the

31:36

natural evolution of you and

31:39

just work by or I guess,

31:39

prioritise your day on what's

31:43

most important to you, but allow

31:43

that to evolve and grow and

31:47

thrive and not be too fixated on

31:47

outcomes because there's so many

31:51

ways in which you can achieve

31:51

outcomes. And so I don't get

31:55

fixated on any way or particular

31:55

method of achieving something.

31:59

And I don't get fixated on

31:59

certain numbers, hence why this

32:02

podcast is continuing today. If

32:02

I had it got fixated on numbers,

32:06

I would have seen myself as a

32:06

failure and given up and not be

32:10

sharing wisdom with you

32:10

constantly. Because I don't have

32:14

and I don't define myself as a

32:14

podcaster. Even if I lose my

32:18

ability to podcast, it wouldn't

32:18

affect me because I'd find

32:21

another way to deliver my

32:21

message. Okay, so I hope that

32:25

has been some insight for you or

32:25

got you thinking around, just

32:29

being more open and curious and

32:29

not get fixated and attached to

32:33

fantasies, and attached to

32:33

identities just to be you and

32:36

allow that growth of you and

32:36

allow you to just constantly

32:40

grow and evolve. And isn't that

32:40

the purpose of life is to

32:44

transform? So just allow that

32:44

transformation to happen every

32:47

day. Don't be fixated on that

32:47

this day has got to be this

32:51

weather, these people have got

32:51

to behave this way to me, allow

32:55

it to be and just be grateful

32:55

that that is life. That is life.

32:59

So that's it for this week. I

32:59

hope you found it interesting,

33:03

insightful. Please share your

33:03

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33:10

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33:14

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33:14

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33:18

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33:18

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33:22

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