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Welcome back to another edition of Musings, 7 p.m.

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It is the 31st of January, the very last day of the month

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to go one in the. South and Karen

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here on the other. Aim today. Music is going

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to talk about longevity.

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Can't straight away. Why? Why longevity.

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Longevity longevity.

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Any small.

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So I came across

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this post on Reddit

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and thought this could be kind of fun because we have talked

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about longevity somewhat before you go back to a

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couple of the meanderings

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episodes.

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I'm pretty sure I put

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in the thumbnail like one

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going to live to like 180,

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things like that.

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I'd say we've talked

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about this at least.

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A few times. Yeah, I'd say at least three or four times

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independently.

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But this this Reddit post

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was basically

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a post of someone

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who had read like ten

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or 11 books on longevity

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and had just said, like,

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you know, who they all thought was. And their recommendations.

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And tell me Dave Asprey

1:01

wasn't one of them.

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I didn't see this post, actually. Look at the. Post.

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No, I didn't. Actually, I. Okay. That's right.

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I can bring it up. I want wanted to be

1:08

in the moment.

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I can bring it up right now. That's. That's totally fine.

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No, I can't, because it's actually on Reddit,

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so I'd have to go find

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the post.

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Were actually originally

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did this was up.

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It was up here somewhere. Here we go. So it was from the Peter

1:22

Atiya community on Reddit.

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After Outlive, I read 12

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other longevity books so that you don't have to

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lose the are the title

1:29

of the post the premise.

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So yeah, so

1:32

there was Aubrey Tigre,

1:35

David Sinclair, Chris Van Big I don't

1:36

know half of these names.

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Who was who was the one you were saying, Dave? Dave Asprey.

1:42

Dave Asprey is not on here. Okay, Not on here.

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But I did

1:45

a bit of research on Mr.

1:47

Dave Asprey. So. And yes,

1:51

the key recommendations

1:51

would be things like,

1:53

you know, one person would be saying, reverse the trial, blueberries,

1:54

peanuts and add precursors

1:56

in a minute. Fasting exercise,

1:57

cold exposure. Another one would be like

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local, low calorie, low protein,

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low carb, high fat diet, plant based

2:02

diet, fish consumption,

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intermittent fasting, time restricted feeding, etc., etc.

2:07

There's

2:07

a whole bunch of them

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you'll see on your screen

2:09

if you're checking

2:12

in via podcasting app. But anyway, it was

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the whole topic came up and I was like, okay, this is good

2:17

because as one of the ones where there's probably

2:18

a bit of differences between us, I would describe myself

2:20

as very sceptical

2:23

on the whole longevity

2:23

scene that there is,

2:28

and I find it

2:28

mostly B.S., to be honest,

2:31

whereas you're the one who you've read

2:32

some books, you're very much

2:33

more into the science. Are you a believer?

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Are you a believer one

2:37

in the longevity course?

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Yeah.

2:39

This is interesting now.

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Okay, I see where you're coming from. Now, first of all,

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I say yes.

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The fucking science

2:46

for this.

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You'd be insanely stupid

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if you actually think

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that you can't, for

2:52

some reason, live longer.

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Longevity. You can't. You want to prove it? Go.

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Go smoke and smash

2:58

yourself down with drinks.

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So kids is going to have to have full boxes

3:03

of Nurofen every day.

3:05

See what happens. Right? It's going to work. You can extend your life

3:09

by conscious decisions, correct? I think it's the the bit

3:12

that gets a little bit

3:12

murky is the

3:14

that you can question or you can talk about is how much society says

3:16

what are you actually

3:20

extending what Yeah. What are the exact

3:21

things that are doing. Yeah.

3:23

And more

3:23

more than anything it's

3:26

what are you outlasting

3:26

apart from other things.

3:30

Okay. Are you dying? You know, longevity is in.

3:33

It's an accidental death. That's why you die

3:34

at some point. Or is it that you just.

3:36

You're outlasting your genetic

3:38

predisposition to die

3:38

from a heart attack versus

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cholesterol induced

3:42

problems, diabetes,

3:45

or is it going to be something else mentally? Right.

3:47

These kind of like do you have a genetic predisposition

3:50

that you're going to get something like this and so you're outlasting

3:52

that? Simon Lauder

3:54

But what I do think about

3:54

and probably begin with

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from getting in,

3:57

I think for people,

3:59

I think we can get broader

3:59

than just a detail.

4:01

The thought might be even more interesting around

4:02

longevity. Longevity is looking up.

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Definition

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just means long existence.

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Okay, that's all it means. I went, okay,

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well it's definitely. Not it's not immortality.

4:13

Yeah and it definitely there is a difference

4:13

between lifespan

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and health span Two different things

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I think people like

4:20

did get their minds around things. I've a lot of stuff

4:21

on a note on that. Yeah. So we'll

4:23

talk about that later. But got

4:24

to stop with our biases

4:27

because when it comes to having a conversation

4:29

about longevity, you have to know

4:33

where I think

4:33

at least we come to

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what we're optimising for or what we generally

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are focusing on

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because otherwise it just makes no sense

4:41

in terms of where we're missing each other

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or are we talking about something? So my question to you was

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what would be your bias

4:47

if you were to

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come at longevity? If let's just say

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longevity means

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a long existence,

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you take it

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as you will with that.

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If you want a longer existence, what's your bias of that?

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Do you care about it?

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Do you not?

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Do you optimise for it or do you optimise

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for performance

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the now versus the later? Yeah. So yeah, there's two,

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there's two Broadway.

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So in this Broadway

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that you're asking me now,

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I would say I'm

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probably just biased in to

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kind of apathy. It's not something

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I really think about.

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I have no idea

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how long, like

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I've never looked into my ancestry tree,

5:26

for example,

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to find out how my family does and what sort of like

5:31

things are likely to run

5:31

in my family.

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I know just on my dad's side, they tend to live

5:36

a little bit longer on my mom's side,

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not as as much.

5:40

I don't have any grandparents alive anymore, so that's

5:41

probably not a good thing.

5:44

But I was had slightly

5:47

later in life, born

5:47

slightly later.

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You know, my dad didn't have me when I was when he was 18.

5:53

So that that sort of plays

5:53

part into it.

5:55

But nevertheless,

5:55

the yeah,

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I would come at it with like

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the bias is sort of like I'm kind of apathetic

6:02

about it. I don't really think about

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what's

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what,

6:06

like how much better,

6:09

how would would my life be so much more successful

6:12

if I died

6:12

at 80 verses 100?

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Would would I count those extra 20 years as like, amazing.

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Yeah, it's just too far off. So I don't really

6:20

think about it that much.

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And hence

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why I'm probably a bit

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flippant

6:25

about some of the,

6:28

some of the things I'm saying next, which is getting into like

6:29

the longevity scene

6:32

I would call it. Yeah. Which is that

6:33

that was more what I was

6:36

talking about in terms

6:36

of what I'm rather

6:39

critical of that,

6:39

that scene of.

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I've got a lot,

6:45

I think rightful bias against it. But prideful bias

6:47

I've written down,

6:50

I've run down strongest the biases when you know

6:52

you're right, the strongest bias I've.

6:55

I've run down why

6:57

the like

6:57

the big criticisms

6:59

and why I think they're valid criticisms. Down the road.

7:03

But I do like that, right?

7:05

Yeah. And look, my bias comes from

7:06

I think for a long time

7:09

I read about I listened to it, obviously Peter Attia

7:12

and a few others,

7:12

Dave Asprey, etc.

7:14

I've read lots of books about it. It's high

7:17

speed, interesting,

7:17

but nor have I been doing

7:20

any particular actions

7:20

that really

7:23

optimised for it. I guess the bias

7:25

now is that the changing is that and so that

7:27

the better the. Tony Robbins book was.

7:30

That that was like yeah,

7:30

Tony as well, which was a

7:33

it was like what was like

7:33

what life was like for.

7:37

Yeah, yeah. Like force. And I think it was, it was a mixture,

7:39

it was a mixture

7:39

of medical,

7:42

I guess in general to be longevity. Yeah. So there's quite

7:44

a few books that

7:44

are right around that and

7:47

now I guess

7:47

the bias is, well my God,

7:50

they're awesome mental

7:50

aspects of my thinking,

7:52

which I think it's just so yes, a human as an animal,

7:54

you kind of go, Well,

7:56

I do want to be at

7:56

a certain fitness level.

7:58

I want to do things when my daughter is

7:58

20. Okay, Well, that means that

8:00

I'm going to be age 50.

8:02

Okay. Well, what does that mean? I want to be older

8:03

and then shit when she has

8:06

if she decides to have kids. Okay, well,

8:07

I'm going to be this. I, I still. We are.

8:10

So, you know, you extrapolate from that. I go, okay, well,

8:12

is this an anchor for me

8:15

now to be a certain thing

8:15

by a certain time?

8:18

I think I've always

8:18

had as well in my mind

8:21

that, hey, I don't want to be

8:23

some decrepit old man that I ever was going

8:24

to be looking after. Fuck that night.

8:27

So. Okay, what does that mean? What does

8:29

you need to take? But also from a longevity

8:30

perspective, it's

8:32

all right. What? What do I do that? What am I supposed

8:34

to be doing? But I will say to buyers

8:36

that I'm very still

8:39

in the moment maximising performance. So if you looked at

8:43

half of the things I'm still doing, I'm still training, heavy,

8:45

hard,

8:47

trying to do a lot of things. Is it the best thing

8:48

for longevity in the quote unquote,

8:50

like perfect things?

8:53

No, not at all. Some aspects of it, yes,

8:54

it's beneficial,

8:56

but it's not optimising for it. And so I'm not also

8:57

at the full camp of

9:00

I optimise everything for longevity. Norway don't.

9:03

And so sometimes when I say

9:03

I want to live to 150 and we'll get into it

9:05

now with the community,

9:07

this is not by doing everything that

9:09

this community says to do. It's one of the

9:10

the key big, you know, big

9:14

rooks in this chess game you can actually use

9:17

as opposed to, you know,

9:19

battling away with tiny

9:19

little mosquitoes.

9:21

There's going to be barely any percentage of sorry

9:23

is a little bit of that. The community that

9:26

the community of longevity

9:26

look it is.

9:30

How would you describe

9:30

them as a as a whole. Well

9:34

I think phonetics fanatics. Yeah, that's a good word.

9:36

There's a couple of people you know, there's a couple of really cool. I was a guy's name again.

9:39

That's like trying to get it to be like really

9:41

rehearsed and whatnot. Brian Brian Johnson.

9:45

Johnson Brian doesn't

9:45

say Brian Johnson No.

9:47

Now this funny thing says to Brian

9:48

Johnson's, really?

9:50

So there's Brian Johnson. Brian with an eye

9:52

who's who you're thinking of

9:53

then this is the guys.

9:56

You know the headlines

9:56

are like spent millions to

10:00

you know reverses

10:00

age wants to be 18

10:03

biological age spends like 2 million a year,

10:05

that sort of thing. Yep. And then there's Brian

10:07

with a Y,

10:09

also affectionately known

10:09

as the Liver King,

10:12

for example. His name

10:13

is. Name is Brian Johnson. And I don't know how much

10:15

longevity stuff

10:18

he talked about, but he was suddenly in like the health realm.

10:21

And so ancestral living,

10:21

all that sort of shit.

10:24

So shit. So there's two. Brian

10:25

Johnson's out. Okay.

10:27

I'm not talking about the looking. Yeah, talking about

10:29

and yeah, talking about

10:29

Brian Johnson. Exact.

10:32

So those people are that Dave Asprey, you know,

10:33

obviously Tony Robbins.

10:36

There's quite a few people

10:36

who talk in the space

10:38

and when they get into

10:38

those topics, they can be

10:42

that least can communicate

10:42

The idea

10:45

to what I would assume

10:45

is a fanatic base in.

10:48

There's going to be a couple of people who really take the fuck

10:49

yeah, that's why don't eat seeds,

10:51

don't eat nuts,

10:54

don't eat me, don't

10:54

eat plants, whatever.

10:56

And I think it just gets it can be a little bit

10:56

over the top without the

11:00

I feel picture of

11:03

what does it look like in you know, in

11:05

not neutrality but what is the

11:06

look like in balance. And there was in fact a

11:10

I wish I had remembered

11:10

exactly where I heard it.

11:13

I think it was in the.

11:13

Peter Attia

11:16

One of the conversations that Pete at. Yeah, I think it was just

11:17

solo outside,

11:20

but wherever the case,

11:20

maybe it was a

11:24

someone went out to a tribe, a tribe in South America

11:25

somewhere

11:28

and they were wanting to study them because

11:31

they seem to be living

11:31

quite healthily.

11:34

And the main killer

11:34

of most humans

11:38

generally tends to be

11:38

about my sense is heart

11:41

problems, right?

11:41

Kind of exploration.

11:43

And this particular tribe,

11:43

for whatever reason,

11:46

just weren't getting any issues. And I think they measured

11:47

that by I think it was

11:50

most of the elders who were in the seventies. They basically did a test

11:53

to check how much blockage and white noise

11:54

in the arteries. And they came back

11:55

at roughly

11:57

they looked like the old 50 year olds in that relation and.

12:01

Yeah, right. Okay. Maybe that relates

12:02

to longevity in the sense that these people

12:04

are living longer, they're not dying because

12:07

of this particular disease or this issue. And it's one of those

12:09

big ones,

12:11

you know, what

12:11

are they doing? Are they

12:13

having needs? How are they having the cold

12:15

therapy of the seaweed

12:18

in general? Basically what I got from

12:18

this conversation was now

12:21

all they do is just eat plain boring food

12:22

all the time repetitively.

12:25

And in general, what they were

12:27

saying about this tribe is

12:29

why do people die? Accents,

12:31

These die of accents,

12:31

but they don't die

12:33

generally from a lot of diseases. And I think that's saying

12:35

how do they eat?

12:37

It's unsalted

12:37

and peppered, you know,

12:39

vegetables, meat, fish

12:39

without any flavouring.

12:43

And the guy was saying, Hey, I followed

12:44

the meal with them. And when I was home

12:46

and he was like, well, now I was really boring.

12:49

Like, it was really boring, but the type of food

12:51

that it was eating, just the volume of it

12:52

kept them full. The need is matters a

12:54

little bit less calories. They lost a bit of weight

12:56

there. The a simple it was just

12:59

I had some carbs had

12:59

the protein that's in fats

13:02

the general good mix of nutrients but whatnot kept it

13:04

simple. No preservatives,

13:05

no nothing.

13:09

That was more than one ingredient,

13:09

I think is kind of cool that and they can live

13:11

really fast. So, you know,

13:13

you can talk about that and go, well, okay,

13:15

that makes sense. But I feel like

13:17

the community can get longevity. Community

13:19

can get so fanatical

13:21

about so many things. Yeah, they're generally

13:22

pretty scientific based.

13:25

They'll even if they're not scientists

13:26

or dietitians themselves,

13:30

they'll they'll feel

13:30

pretty comfortable

13:33

strapping something. Yeah.

13:35

Yeah. Throwing out studies,

13:36

doing studies themselves.

13:38

They'll they'll become

13:38

like amateur scientists.

13:41

Maybe

13:41

this is the way to put it.

13:44

I mean, I was reading

13:44

Aubrey degrees

13:48

Wikipedia page, and I think

13:49

it described him as an amateur

13:50

mathematician

13:53

and like he's actually

13:53

good is a pretty.

13:55

Good a physicist.

13:55

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

13:58

But well, he he actually like, help solve some problem,

14:00

which was like a longstanding

14:02

problem was amicable or contributed to it.

14:04

So like, yeah, once you like

14:07

yeah, start doing a little bit on black holes. I was not like I.

14:09

Say, I was tired

14:09

of it to start off with.

14:12

But yeah,

14:12

my, my main criticism

14:14

and I should just note

14:14

I got the,

14:17

the Y in the IRA

14:17

along with the two.

14:19

Brian So. Brian Yeah. Brian with a Y is the,

14:22

is the guy who's doing

14:22

all the M

14:25

anti-aging rejuvenation,

14:25

that sort of thing.

14:28

So yeah,

14:28

I write down the people,

14:30

I dare you, I dare you to listen

14:31

to the Dave Asprey and Brian Johnson

14:35

conversation

14:35

that was on YouTube.

14:37

It's called Reversing Age

14:39

The Quest for Immortality

14:39

with Brian Johnson 1115

14:43

with Dave Asprey

14:43

published one month ago.

14:45

So that was in the what that would be like

14:47

December 2023.

14:49

I'm assuming, like, let me I don't think

14:50

I'll listen to it.

14:52

Let me ask you that. They get really technical

14:55

really quick and they get pretty fanatical

14:57

about little things.

14:59

No, no, I wouldn't

14:59

describe it like that.

15:02

I would describe it. So just just for those

15:03

who want to know,

15:06

some of the chapters here are biohacking,

15:07

the brain.

15:09

Are your critics making you old? What makes Brian tick?

15:11

The longevity,

15:11

loneliness, connection,

15:14

expanding consciousness with psychedelics, olive oil, saturated fats,

15:16

talking testosterone.

15:19

It wasn't as technical

15:19

as I thought they would

15:22

talk about. Like, are you on peptide

15:24

C three, D, blah, blah,

15:26

blah, blah. And he'd be like, yeah,

15:27

of course the plot.

15:30

But in general,

15:30

I would describe it as

15:34

the very similar to the train wreck that was the Lex Friedman

15:35

Jocko podcast.

15:39

that level of just awkwardness. Yeah. Sam Harris

15:41

and his wife.

15:43

Yes. Yeah. That was this woman.

15:45

It was. It was it was pretty rough

15:47

because it's Dave Asprey

15:50

spouts his mouth a bit and says some like ask

15:52

likes point blank, like,

15:55

so what do you think about your autism? Or like, you know,

15:57

just really like Blunt

16:01

because he himself has Asperger's. So it's like,

16:03

it's like kind of like two

16:05

semi robots talking to each other. It's a bit weird,

16:08

but that, that was

16:08

kind of what I got

16:10

from like the people

16:10

just in general.

16:13

Yeah,

16:13

the self-admitted weird,

16:15

you know, there's nothing wrong with Asperger's or autism per say, but

16:17

I guess like, does this.

16:22

The trendy word

16:22

nowadays is neurodivergent

16:24

Neurodivergent

16:24

So different ways

16:27

of thinking viewing the world. And to be fair,

16:30

I did listen to a bit of Rich Roll with Brian Johnson

16:31

and he came across as

16:34

a much more normal guy

16:34

than in that one.

16:36

So it's. Like, yeah, well I think the interview with

16:37

is weird, different.

16:40

Weird amplifies weird,

16:40

that sort of thing. The

16:44

but then I'm like, okay, just because you have

16:47

a different way of thinking, it doesn't necessarily

16:48

mean you're right.

16:51

And that's that was kind of like

16:51

they were almost using

16:54

the different ways of thinking. Like I think differently

16:56

I was as implying

17:00

that they're right in some ways. So like, does

17:01

does going on different

17:03

paths lead to the better

17:03

destination, you know,

17:07

in a way? And so

17:10

the people just in general

17:12

that I've kind of seen

17:12

in this longevity scene,

17:16

they're bit sneaky with their words and they'll once again

17:18

on on here

17:21

in this in that interview, what made it

17:23

so weird was they

17:25

they talked about why it was weird

17:25

and they both had

17:29

really successful companies Bullet-Proof Coffee with

17:33

Dave Asprey

17:33

and Bullet-Proof, whatever

17:36

that was his brand. And then Brian

17:36

Johnson had a medical

17:39

I think it was related,

17:39

his old stuff to people

17:42

and had like a something

17:42

to do with brain as well.

17:45

Company with that. Yeah.

17:47

Millions if not tens of millions if not hundreds millions

17:49

in these companies

17:52

very successful. And they had media

17:55

training and they talked about this media training where

17:59

they the point

17:59

of being in a

18:01

in like a media press conference or something like

18:03

that is not to answer

18:06

the questions of the journalists

18:07

or the people that are there is to present

18:08

what you want to present.

18:11

And so they had this thing where it's like, yes. And and so it politicians

18:13

do this all the time

18:16

where it'll be like, yes. And and then they'll just

18:17

talk about whatever the hell

18:19

they want to talk about, not answer the question

18:22

that kind of the very fact that they brought up

18:24

like this media training and and that was how

18:28

this conversation was kind of dancing around

18:30

like Dave Asprey would do something and then Brian would

18:32

kind of like dance around to answer this different

18:33

sort of thing.

18:37

Just the fact

18:37

that they can do that

18:40

implies that they're they think

18:41

about their words and they they use their words

18:43

in certain ways where it can kind of

18:44

be tricky.

18:47

And then you can get to like the outright lying sort of stuff, living

18:49

thing type of behaviour.

18:52

And so and

18:55

once again,

18:55

just like question able

18:57

with their adjacent

18:57

sources,

18:59

you know, using live a king as a source probably isn't

19:02

the greatest, the greatest God to like use as a source

19:04

for things shamanism

19:08

ancient records

19:08

Dave Asprey talked about

19:10

is once again

19:10

I'm just like,

19:12

The fact that you're bringing this up makes me question

19:13

a lot of the science that you do, and

19:18

I'll get into the science in a little bit, but I'll

19:19

let you speak for a bit.

19:22

But yeah, it is just, just

19:22

the people, the people

19:26

just on the offset

19:26

give me like

19:29

I got to be careful

19:29

listening to these people

19:32

because I think I'm getting some snake

19:33

oil salesman vibes

19:35

because they, you know what else happens? They tend to sell.

19:38

To supplement the. Supplement the book,

19:39

the advice, the program.

19:44

Of course, of course

19:44

they're going to say if you find the money,

19:46

there's something that particular. Thing

19:48

where there's some financial incentives, there's there's some other

19:49

things happening there.

19:53

So yeah, but there's

19:53

there's something to

19:55

I think I take the point from any any longevity conversation

19:57

is that there is,

20:01

you know, remove the, the lying

20:02

and remove the idiots

20:06

who don't even like understand

20:06

what the hell is going on and just not like doing it

20:08

maliciously.

20:11

Remove that. Yep. Then you're left

20:12

with all these people who look some of them

20:14

as scientists,

20:16

although not all of them are smart. They know how to speak,

20:19

whatever,

20:19

wherever you find them.

20:21

The problem is you can be,

20:24

you can be clinically

20:24

right, but you can be

20:28

correct. You can be really precise

20:29

about something.

20:31

Yeah, you can be correct

20:31

about the data.

20:33

But even in amongst

20:33

the data,

20:35

what I think

20:35

a lot of the longevity

20:38

or other conversation is probably passing

20:39

on the conversations. But I guess I see a lot of

20:40

longevity is it misses

20:44

the complex

20:44

behaviour of the system

20:46

that all the things play a part. I'll give you an example.

20:49

So it is more around

20:49

health related.

20:52

There's a period,

20:52

the normal Peter

20:54

Diamandis, the guy

20:54

who does lots of carnival.

20:59

I don't know,

20:59

it doesn't even matter.

21:01

I Saladino I think it's him is

21:03

you Listen all okay so

21:05

it was a big thing about

21:05

hey hey you know broccoli

21:09

bad for you. Bad, bad, bad for.

21:11

You because all these things now you promoting meat

21:13

cannibal eating, whatever

21:16

you may think about that. But he's

21:17

just like, you know,

21:19

Louis the broccoli now idiot people

21:21

commenting on that

21:21

on his video reel

21:24

and messaging about it

21:24

saying,

21:26

hey, this really helped me out because I stopped

21:28

eating broccoli and it helped me out

21:29

with this. And, you know,

21:30

the guy pointed out, hey,

21:33

look, his article does

21:33

why it says now.

21:35

Lane Norden,

21:35

their late novelist.

21:37

Is a comedian, right? No night Lane.

21:40

NORDEN He was a really strong powerlifter use

21:42

all the way back in bodybuilding to come is a strong

21:44

powerlifter doctor.

21:47

And for a long, long,

21:47

long time

21:49

he would just put out

21:49

really technical details.

21:53

He'd go on conversation and technically talk about training

21:54

and powerlifting and,

21:57

you know, food and the like. But he always stayed

21:59

in that realm now for the last years,

22:01

if you to see some laughed

22:03

this dude has changed

22:03

his social media presence.

22:06

What he does now is he just goes around

22:06

finding

22:09

all these shit talkers and fucking them up

22:10

like just destroying them.

22:13

And everybody

22:13

hates it now.

22:15

Everybody hate. If you go to the comments,

22:16

he's like, everyone's like,

22:19

Why are you doing? Like it's people who are fans

22:20

of the other people, the fanatical people

22:21

coming in to be like,

22:24

don't. Why do you say like this? You're so hurtful, Why

22:25

are you trying to improve?

22:27

And it's cool. That is, I did that

22:28

for so many years.

22:31

Nobody listen to me. I'm going to brachial now

22:32

and I don't care.

22:35

Yeah. And so I guess he'd

22:35

be going off to

22:37

kind of like bro science

22:37

as well. Bro science.

22:40

Some bro science for short. Like that gets heavy

22:41

on those people. But this particular guy

22:43

who he's like, he's out,

22:45

who's a double board

22:45

certified doctor, right?

22:48

This particular guy and line both went like,

22:49

what the hell?

22:52

Billboards like looked him up and he was like, this dude, psychiatry

22:54

board. Like, what are you talking

22:55

about? Okay, But then, you know,

22:58

he kind of points out, I think it was just about that

22:59

he was, well, you know, you're pointing out

23:02

this fucking thing about broccoli because this thing

23:03

has been trying to do because,

23:05

like, a compound and like, I was like, well,

23:06

that's also found in meat. And so why didn't

23:08

you call out the same issue with meat? But it's because

23:10

in a complex system

23:12

that doesn't operate that way. No, it's weird

23:14

because then you can find

23:17

the exceptions of people

23:17

who does help out.

23:20

But, you know,

23:20

the generally immortals,

23:23

they live with the exceptions. They sit in the

23:24

in the average life too, because it's like,

23:25

well, broccoli's that few meat

23:28

good for you or the opposite is a little bit

23:30

like, well, maybe you kind of have

23:31

to figure it out yourself.

23:33

I think the the fanatical, the detail,

23:35

the precision, the clinical likely

23:37

it's it's true,

23:40

but it also depends on itself. And so that

23:43

I think gets really hot

23:43

in a lot of those sales

23:47

pitches or information

23:47

that gets checked out

23:49

if you like. I could we could talk about

23:50

right now how the system of energy

23:52

from ATP

23:56

getting broken down into

23:58

tried out phosphate

23:58

phosphate to a singular

24:00

and then you have the adenosine and all this

24:01

and how it works but yours and mine

24:03

is slightly different in terms of energy output

24:05

and all that. It just is like it's

24:06

just you're an individual.

24:08

But now the chemical

24:08

process is the same,

24:11

but in it's in

24:11

the valleys is different.

24:13

So you might react differently in some ways to energy

24:15

or caffeine

24:17

input or the way that it binds you. Adenosine fucking

24:20

you're not going to get that from. They must be telling you

24:21

like, well, you know, if you just stop

24:23

drinking coffee at 6 p.m.,

24:25

then that's going to, you know, increase it by 0.32% of the fuck up

24:27

night.

24:30

Like, how do you know that? That's not that's like a,

24:31

an average number of whatever study was done

24:33

on these fucking people.

24:35

That doesn't apply to everybody. So I think there's some

24:38

you've got to be like night, let's be real. There's some clinical data

24:41

and then there's application of it to a general population

24:42

and some individuals. Yeah, the difference

24:44

is different that. I did some homework

24:46

people. So I've got a quote for

24:47

you here from Peter.

24:49

It's Peter

24:49

and Peter at Peter.

24:52

Peter Attia and his book

24:53

Outlive. And he says,

24:55

I really should go cold or cold this. But does that mean

24:58

I Mediterranean diet is right for everyone

24:59

or that extra virgin

25:01

oil is the healthiest type of fat? Possibly,

25:03

but not necessarily to me. Perhaps

25:05

the most vexing issue with diet and nutrition

25:06

studies is the degree of variation

25:08

between individuals

25:10

that is found but often obscured. So getting on to one's

25:12

point here, this is especially true

25:14

in studies, looking mostly

25:17

or entirely at weight

25:17

loss as an endpoint.

25:19

The published studies report average results that are almost under

25:22

almost always underwhelming subjects losing

25:24

a few pounds on average.

25:26

In reality, some individuals

25:26

may have lost quite a bit of weight

25:28

on the diet, while others lost none

25:29

or even gained weight.

25:32

So once again, that's just talking about weight. But

25:34

exactly

25:34

to your point, which is

25:36

when there's so much

25:36

complexity in the whole

25:40

focusing on the average

25:40

or this tiny

25:43

little subset,

25:43

it's it's it's

25:46

okay, but it's it

25:46

reminds me of that

25:50

parable where it's like

25:50

this this three blind men

25:52

and they're they're each touching

25:53

an element, an element, an elephant.

25:56

Once, once, like touching the tail. And he's like, you know,

25:58

this is must be a long,

26:02

like, long, thin animal

26:02

once touching like the,

26:05

the leg. And he's like, this is like, like an animal

26:07

or this is a tree trunk or something like that. And then another's

26:10

touching the knee or

26:10

touching the, the trunk.

26:13

And they're all coming out with like different things

26:14

and like that.

26:16

That. Correct. And what they're finding,

26:19

what they're experiencing,

26:19

what the data says,

26:21

that data point at the most real data

26:22

point, your own consciousness

26:24

and your feeling,

26:26

but they're incorrect about what the thing is

26:28

that they're touching, that they're just they

26:29

can't see the big hole.

26:32

And that's that's kind of how I look

26:32

at these, you know,

26:35

statistics can be used up

26:35

on non made up numbers.

26:38

So if you're fucking

26:38

making up numbers and

26:41

this, there's one that

26:41

I brought up at that time

26:45

in the meandering subset a while ago where you were bringing up

26:46

this like biological age

26:50

and then there was another age. Do you remember what

26:51

that was called?

26:53

It was kind of. Like setting it up

26:54

with this particular as like those. Yeah,

26:55

I can remember. I can always chronological

26:56

age and biological.

26:58

Yeah. Yeah.

26:58

And so chronological ages.

27:01

Yeah. I was born in 1992,

27:02

so therefore I'm 31.

27:05

Well that's B 32 soon

27:05

and Yeah. Down

27:09

and then a couple of weeks. Yeah. A month. Yeah.

27:13

And then there is the

27:13

biological age which is

27:17

what I think is a fucking made up number of some bullshit

27:19

where it's like

27:21

all because of these particular markers

27:22

that we chose

27:27

and that are, you know,

27:27

you see these

27:30

in chronological

27:30

people of age

27:34

and because I show them

27:34

now, therefore

27:36

biologically

27:36

I am also excited.

27:40

Well, what the fuck? Yeah. You know,

27:42

so if you,

27:42

if you got measured,

27:44

you know, if you, if your blood pressure got measured

27:46

when you were training, what to train

27:49

hard workout, they would be like,

27:50

holy shit, this person needs to get,

27:51

you know, how to go to hospital.

27:53

Some of that you're training like you're doing something

27:55

about as expected. It also depends on

27:56

like the like

27:58

you know, what setting you're doing some of these measurements

28:00

because you're on the biological checks.

28:02

Yes, they do do some checks. But again,

28:04

what if you just genetically different? Like what all of a sudden

28:06

now makes me biological

28:08

all the for that. Yeah. Yeah.

28:11

Some one side street thing

28:13

because I do love about what Peter to Andrew

28:14

Human are doing

28:16

now it's even too detail for me and I'm going to

28:18

spend the energy to like

28:20

listen to it too much because I just don't

28:21

get this in that the like weeds into it.

28:24

However, if you do, if you care

28:26

about longevity and you routinely

28:28

look into journal articles

28:31

and you want to verify it, Peter and Andrew do,

28:33

I don't know how often

28:35

they're doing it, maybe once a month or something like that. They do a journal review

28:37

podcast.

28:39

Okay, where? So they must nut out

28:41

how do they.

28:43

I listen to it now and I was like, I can't do anymore. Like it.

28:45

Scott You have to watch it diving. You have to watch it

28:48

because they do it on video as well. Peter does okay.

28:50

And they basically

28:50

they get to pick

28:52

one journal article each. I believe that they bring

28:54

to the table for a conversation and they go really fine

28:55

tooth comb through it

28:59

and so and talk through like,

29:00

hey, you can see here

29:02

with the data in histogram plots, you know, generally

29:04

you want to see this in this sort of data

29:07

that gives you an idea that the test was done

29:08

correctly. And that's

29:09

a right variation if you don't see that,

29:12

that's proof of issues

29:12

or something like that.

29:14

So I was like, I mean, for those

29:15

who want to learn how to really read an article.

29:17

But kind of interesting.

29:19

It was kind of interesting for a while. Then they just get so

29:21

technical. Even for me, I'm like,

29:24

just I'm not going to call

29:24

this like

29:26

I'm not going to use it

29:26

realistically.

29:28

It's what am I going to do

29:28

this on individual?

29:31

Yeah, you know, journal articles, you know? Exactly. Unlikely.

29:34

Yeah. So just on the last point,

29:34

which was that

29:38

the the Reddit post

29:38

where the guy was

29:41

comparing different things I think was kind of

29:43

interesting in that some people in

29:44

that was saying it was too

29:46

it was like really contradictory in that

29:49

all these different books were recommending

29:50

different things. I didn't find it

29:52

that contradictory.

29:54

I thought generally they, they kind of

29:56

went along the consensus,

29:59

which is what were the most

30:00

interesting thing, was

30:03

at least like, I'm

30:03

just relying on this dude

30:05

picked out. I haven't read these

30:06

ten, 12 books. So, you know, take this

30:07

with a grain of salt.

30:11

He just wrote key recommendations

30:11

and then put a list down.

30:14

And if you're

30:14

going as broad as saying,

30:18

you know, he went

30:19

specific and saying, like they recommended

30:21

having this particular

30:25

thing, reverse

30:25

a troll or whatever it is.

30:28

But then on the diet

30:28

side of things,

30:31

they kind of went broad. It'd be like

30:33

some of them are

30:33

just like, Do eat me down.

30:35

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

30:35

He's done really tough.

30:37

Seeds

30:37

don't have seeds. Yeah.

30:39

What, what I took from

30:39

that was it

30:43

it masks probably like the

30:43

the true things

30:46

to expand life span which maybe they talk

30:48

about in the book.

30:50

I sure hope they would

30:50

which are the general

30:53

things that we all know

30:53

we should do.

30:55

Sleep well they do generally talk about it

30:57

in some of those. Books but and you know,

31:00

this guy might just not have put it in the key recommendations because

31:02

it's so plain and obvious

31:04

or it's like peppered throughout the book where it's like it's

31:07

not it's like

31:07

the obvious thing

31:09

that that people don't do.

31:09

Well.

31:11

I'll tell you what, you after,

31:12

after the basic romance,

31:14

I'm going to give you the me immortals, how. To excellent how. To say,

31:15

how to live longer.

31:18

Longevity sounds good.

31:21

Let me do my last little

31:21

criticism of the heck.

31:23

Out of this group. And this is the whoop,

31:25

the hubris,

31:29

the Huberman lists. There's the hubris

31:30

of these people.

31:32

I just don't get how you can seriously claim

31:33

to expect to live to 180.

31:36

And I'm pretty sure that genuine

31:37

when they say that. I reckon that genuine.

31:40

So like they're they're claiming yes, I'm

31:41

going to live to 180

31:45

the like longest is, is 130

31:47

maybe that someone

31:50

previously been living

31:50

that lived too.

31:53

So you're talking about

31:53

extra 50 years on that.

31:56

We've added

31:56

maybe 20 years over

31:59

the last couple of hundred years

32:00

discounting like child mortality

32:02

and things like that.

32:04

So, you know if you'd live

32:04

to like age 20 in the

32:07

I've got some graphs here, so I should probably

32:09

bring it up.

32:11

If you live to like age

32:11

20 in the let's, let's

32:14

take 1850

32:16

you'd expect to be 60.3.

32:19

And now nowadays

32:21

if you get to age 20,

32:21

you expect to live

32:23

to like, you know, 82,

32:23

something like that.

32:25

So we've added what,

32:25

20 years?

32:27

Maybe you expect

32:27

to fucking add 50 years

32:31

on top of that. And I just don't see

32:32

how you can quite Well.

32:36

I would say you can

32:36

and I would say

32:38

you could probably do it so easily. You could probably do it

32:39

easily right now.

32:42

The concept, though, that I would want

32:43

to explore about longevity is what does it mean

32:45

to be a human yet?

32:47

Yeah, okay. If we're talking about that merging

32:49

with the machines.

32:51

Yeah. Our consciousness. Your consciousness

32:53

in a machine.

32:55

Okay. I don't think that's what

32:56

they're talking about. I do think it's fun

32:58

to talk about that, but I think that's where

33:00

if you if you being genuine

33:01

about that, then yeah,

33:03

I think that's what it actually entails. Yeah, we'll talk about

33:05

that a bit more.

33:07

A couple of other things. Here's a couple of quotes

33:08

from that. I want to evolve

33:11

a super intelligence into the next evolution of human.

33:14

I thought that a couple of times. Yeah.

33:16

We're on the cusp of the most extraordinary

33:17

existence in the

33:20

in the galaxy. Back in the galaxy.

33:24

And this just those are just two random

33:26

things that I got from that interview. And I'm like,

33:28

Brian, come up.

33:30

Come on, man. How can you. Can you fucking say

33:31

that? Galaxy Did galaxy.

33:34

So yeah, that's the hubris

33:34

as well as is high.

33:38

That's why

33:38

they have the some

33:41

that because like, like I mentioned,

33:42

one of the things was

33:45

you know the criticisms actually

33:46

reducing your longevity

33:48

because it's people like me

33:51

hating on them

33:51

and then it's like

33:53

you're hating on me. This is taking

33:54

my energy away. So that's that sort

33:55

of thing. And like what?

33:58

How do you counteract that? Dave Asprey is was,

34:02

well, you know, I'm going to live longer than you,

34:04

so you're going to die.

34:08

And so it kind of like

34:08

makes him feel good

34:10

because it's like, look at this height, they're just going to die

34:11

before me. Well, and then Brian was

34:16

he was like, it's the algorithm that's just humans are like,

34:17

designed to be like, shit,

34:20

shit stirring

34:20

a misconstrue things.

34:25

And when you talk about longevity, like, you're going

34:26

to get this response. So I just found it

34:28

kind of interesting

34:30

that that too that to politics for

34:31

dealing with criticism,

34:34

some of which, to be fair

34:34

to them is is bullshit

34:38

because people

34:38

like to jump into things

34:40

and I'm guilty of this. You know, Brian Johnson's

34:42

the one who he did

34:42

a plasma swap with his son

34:45

and then he plasma swapped with his dad. And so it was like,

34:48

you know, of course,

34:49

the headlines are like men, like Steele's

34:50

youth from his son.

34:52

So of Deal. And it's like, okay, yeah,

34:53

he was probably doing

34:55

something a little bit different. That's that's not like

34:57

he wasn't trying to be

34:57

a vampire. Let's be real.

35:01

So some of the criticism is bullshit and it's just media

35:04

being media

35:04

driven by then, you know,

35:06

come on, some of it's

35:06

kind of valid.

35:08

Yeah, it's got to be. Look. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

35:13

Well, we'll leave it at that you to continue on that.

35:15

Let's, let's do the best

35:15

grammar of it.

35:17

They're an interesting group like they're

35:18

an interesting group. All right. So while you're doing that

35:20

I'm going to

35:23

explain the beast. Gremlins for those who are wondering

35:24

is where we shout out everyone who has helped

35:26

to support the podcast

35:28

monetarily this week

35:28

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35:31

we do have a lot of costs

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hosting our time, it's

35:34

nice to be compensated

35:36

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35:40

Despite once joking around

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35:50

The best way that you can do this is by sending in a boosta

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35:56

So this will be things

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like Costa matic.

35:59

This would be things like podcast Guru. I just did

36:01

a tutorial on them. So if you really want to

36:02

look at that, you can that's this.

36:06

There's info out there. I don't want to,

36:07

I don't want to hear that. It's too hot for you.

36:10

This means to get the information. Fountain is really good.

36:12

Probably my favourite of the bunch pod verse. A decent

36:14

shout out as well. And yeah,

36:16

I want to read them off while I check out

36:18

the paper. Beautiful.

36:21

Imagine it was something in the paper man. You're going to jump off

36:22

to see how we go on from Macintosh.

36:26

Been a bit sorry, it's me

36:26

but you at all

36:28

for great upside. Here's to a great 2020

36:30

for 10,000 SATs

36:33

and you think about it

36:33

very much.

36:35

Thank you very much. You're cute. I totally understand.

36:38

And I've been busy as well. I've only just got to tune

36:41

in to his show recently, so. Yeah, thank you very much.

36:44

And yes, to a great 24

36:44

we had a couple McCormick

36:47

products, 2220 degrees

36:47

outside using fountain.

36:50

I've had the same full password since the seventh grade.

36:53

Is that. Bad? Yes. Yes, I see.

36:55

Although maybe it isn't now. Maybe because it's like so

36:57

long ago. Yeah. People are like.

37:00

Surely so. Yeah, probably

37:01

like a positive. Like your

37:04

dog gets died now

37:04

and you know, three people

37:07

you knew the champion D

37:07

for remembering one.

37:10

Of the guys and fountain just random

37:10

person coming in is like

37:13

I'll let you know. Just give them to me

37:16

and I'll let you know

37:16

if they're good or not.

37:18

But yes,

37:18

thank you very much call

37:20

and I want from Macintosh good

37:21

discussion products 2222.

37:24

That's an easy fountain once again, thank you Macintosh

37:26

Thank you,

37:28

Brian D O'Leary

37:28

Good to hear Nick story

37:31

That's a thousand sets and easy found them thank. You Brian much appreciate.

37:34

And then Carl McCormick

37:34

and I want to Pierce

37:36

wasn't talk Nick is cool I've been obsessed

37:38

with Fountain since the beginning.

37:40

I enjoyed hearing his

37:40

experience with alcohol.

37:42

I recently dropped smoking weed. So there's a new vibe

37:44

of sobriety everywhere.

37:46

I fountain

37:46

means. Brilliant.

37:48

Thank you. But 5492 stats

37:49

and using fountain.

37:52

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. that was very much.

37:55

It was. It was great chatting with Nick as well. So that was

37:57

a record that about a week

38:00

prior to that week and a half. And yeah, it was,

38:01

it was fun.

38:03

It's kind of like it's like,

38:05

Damn, I should have talked to this guy earlier,

38:06

like Nick School

38:08

and I had like,

38:08

had a chat with him.

38:11

Jay's like a year earlier,

38:11

but that was just like

38:13

a random call that we had. But yeah,

38:15

I've been a lot more vocal and try to help them out

38:18

with some of the features and Fountain as well. Improve that.

38:21

And just on the podcasting

38:21

news side of things,

38:25

I briefly mentioned it

38:25

last time, but Apple

38:28

is now supporting

38:28

transcripts, so Apple is

38:32

technically now

38:32

a podcasting 2.0 up.

38:34

So now you can say.

38:37

Like. 40, like 47%

38:38

of all downloads

38:40

come from podcasting,

38:40

2.0 apps.

38:43

and that. And so. What. Is really great

38:44

because the week before

38:47

some Pete that was like so some people would kind of

38:48

like talking about

38:51

talking down on podcasting 2.0 is like

38:52

only 1% of listeners

38:55

use these apps like why would I tell

38:56

my audience to do it? And then it's like,

38:57

yeah, bam. Now it's like 37%. So

39:02

here comes, it comes the big news. Well,

39:04

we have gotten a PayPal. It has happens

39:06

what we what up?

39:08

Here we go. I saw this

39:08

country during the week.

39:10

This is the big news

39:10

I was hinting at.

39:12

So first time clicking

39:12

on this for myself.

39:16

You got to love this man is so good. So we've gotten

39:18

we've gotten.

39:22

We've. Got a PayPal here

39:22

and it is from John NGO

39:27

and Joe Code Guy and he's

39:27

an African looking fella.

39:32

I don't I don't know. How would you try

39:33

and pronounce that

39:36

in the Droege? Yeah,

39:39

we call him John. N John and. John.

39:41

N comes in and he says, value for value support

39:42

with a little money here

39:45

and is also giving us a

39:49

an email and I'm

39:52

I won't read out the email, but it's kind of making me

39:53

think that this might be a

39:57

I don't know, I'll have to I'll, I'll, I'll explain

39:58

my theory after this.

40:02

Is N10 $0.01.

40:05

Nice. US dollars,

40:05

I believe.

40:07

Okay, There appears to be

40:07

a fee that

40:11

is associated

40:11

with that of 0.01.

40:13

And so we've gotten a total of $0.00

40:15

from John Legend.

40:20

Thank you. Five placement

40:20

first payment $0.

40:23

I'm John like I'm

40:23

you're going

40:26

to get the asterix

40:26

of our first pay pal

40:30

because technically that zero so I'm not going

40:32

to be able to say like

40:32

John was our first PayPal

40:36

supporter

40:36

you'll get the Asterix.

40:38

Part you'll be able that

40:38

this is like it's with

40:41

this is like we talk about longevity. You know you're

40:43

technically right

40:45

you are the first. Yeah, but collectively

40:46

it's wrong. Yes.

40:49

No, it didn't actually change in. The whole that my balance

40:50

is still $3.09, but it's.

40:54

Amazing. But yeah, I love that

40:56

it's even better because

40:56

I didn't realise the net.

40:59

It was net zero, the notification. My phone said 0.01.

41:03

So I was like, shit, he sent in $0.01,

41:04

now you go zero.

41:07

But yeah. That, that's. Amazing.

41:09

That's, that's rather funny. Thank, thank you John

41:10

for that. For doing that. Thanks for trying to do.

41:13

I do appreciate that. And honestly this could be

41:15

one of those things

41:17

in podcasting 2.0,

41:17

there's a running joke.

41:19

They set up a online

41:19

like a bitcoin address

41:23

called Tally coin gram because apparently

41:25

people were like,

41:27

We're going to send you bitcoin, but I don't want to do it

41:28

via lightning. I'm going to do it on

41:29

chain. And almost no one goes

41:31

does it on chain.

41:34

But Adam calls it out

41:34

each week and he's like,

41:36

I'll check the tally coin

41:36

just in case.

41:38

Hear you say, Yep, no,

41:38

nothing there.

41:41

And look, a couple of people have actually donated via it

41:43

so it's it's but it's still like the running

41:45

joke is no one's going.

41:47

To do it. Yeah. So the more you do that it likes that's bringing

41:49

people to be like. Well yeah

41:51

but the PayPal could be our version of that,

41:52

that running joke. It's just like it's funny

41:55

that every week

41:55

there's nothing there.

41:58

So. Yeah, but yeah,

41:58

thank you very much

42:00

for everyone

42:00

who has helped support,

42:02

as we read out there, if you want to

42:03

join in on this, then you kind of like,

42:06

I don't understand

42:06

what a boostagram's

42:08

at a Mere Mortals podcast

42:08

dot com slash support.

42:10

I've got some easy

42:10

guides to there

42:13

on how to do it

42:13

why to do it

42:16

and there's even a link there. I still think you can

42:18

claim 2000 sets

42:21

and play around with bitcoin

42:23

on the lightning Network. So yeah do it do it

42:25

people do it.

42:28

Very much appreciate it. Absolutely Right. Well, let's

42:30

get back into it. Alright. Well, what are we talking

42:31

about from here? So we just talked

42:33

about the Fanatics group

42:35

and some of the drawbacks behind them. So I've

42:37

got some extra thoughts

42:40

and yeah,

42:40

I was, it's kind of

42:42

like I feel the focus

42:42

is wrong of this.

42:45

These people,

42:45

I don't think in the,

42:49

in the totality they're wrong, but it's also right

42:50

in some ways. So I'll,

42:53

I'll give them, I respect them for trying to change

42:54

an ingrained perception

42:56

and and that ingrained

42:56

perception is ageing

42:59

as a natural thing. And because it's

43:00

natural it's good

43:04

and we shouldn't do anything against it. So like why

43:06

fight against ageing?

43:08

And this is kind of like the hubris. It's like every human

43:10

who was ever born,

43:13

most have have died,

43:13

a lot of them have died.

43:16

Not every human is born,

43:16

obviously,

43:18

but there's no

43:18

there's no like

43:21

a solid fact of all. Yeah, this guy actually

43:23

lived to 300 and we all just screwed up

43:25

because we didn't do

43:28

the right mantras or we didn't do the right ways of thinking

43:30

or we didn't

43:31

eat the right things.

43:34

The Bible, there's people in there who apparently lived

43:36

to this. But Abraham the.

43:38

Yeah, the

43:41

what would you say

43:41

the evidence of that

43:43

is dubious? Yes, I would

43:45

I would call that dubious.

43:47

But I do think, you know,

43:49

bad things like ageing

43:49

should be analysed

43:51

as something to solve

43:51

like polio.

43:53

Just because polio was

43:53

a natural disease

43:56

doesn't mean like it was. It was a really good thing

43:58

we stopped that really good thing

44:01

that we came out of polio vaccines

44:01

and polio is no longer

44:04

thing or chickenpox

44:05

or any of those things that were just horrific.

44:08

But nowadays we

44:08

laugh it off like, yeah,

44:12

that kid got chickenpox, you know? Well, good thing

44:14

she was, you know. Vaccinated, but.

44:17

They'd got the get

44:17

the dose of it beforehand

44:20

so that

44:20

I respect them for.

44:23

I think that's a worthy

44:23

aim and, and

44:27

focusing on longevity

44:27

in that sense

44:30

as a kind of combat

44:30

of Yes.

44:32

Ageing as a disease,

44:32

I think that's okay.

44:35

But just the focus, it's

44:35

kind of like

44:37

much like fame or money.

44:39

Longevity, I feel,

44:39

should probably be like

44:41

a second order effect. You know,

44:44

if you chase fame, you chase

44:45

money is going to have a bad time in the end of it.

44:47

I think

44:47

if you chase longevity,

44:49

you're probably going to have a bad time of it. You talked about the

44:53

there's a metric called

44:53

health adjusted life

44:55

expectancy. How I feel that's a better

44:59

metric to try and get at. And that's basically

45:00

like if you were born

45:05

without a, you know,

45:08

certain sort of disease

45:08

or something, you know,

45:10

living a healthy lot, you can expect to live a healthy life up

45:12

into like, you know, 68.

45:15

You get 60 years of age of

45:17

really good, high

45:17

quality life

45:19

and then it starts

45:19

to deteriorate from there.

45:22

I think a metric like

45:22

that is probably better

45:25

because the

45:25

lifestyles of these guys,

45:28

a very unique they're unique and

45:33

you I think you can get

45:37

how how would I phrases I think you can have

45:38

a good life expectancy

45:41

if you are kind of

45:41

like them and you love

45:45

the discipline of I'm

45:45

going to get to bed

45:48

at this exact time, I'm going to do this

45:49

exact thing. I'm not going to fall

45:51

into these vices. I'm going to

45:52

take this box.

45:56

I'm going to have Dave

45:56

Asprey 150 pills a day

46:00

on the on the video. He he's like,

46:02

I forgot to do it beforehand.

46:05

How many pills do. You take a time? I take 15 or 20.

46:07

And then he has a handful of pills

46:09

and they're not like, you know,

46:10

tiny little tablets that he's fucking thick,

46:11

good, good sized ones.

46:14

And he chuckles

46:14

in his mouth, black,

46:16

drunk, drinks down water is I got almost one of them,

46:19

one stuck to

46:19

the roof of my mouth. LOL.

46:21

Not no,

46:21

most people can't do that.

46:24

Most people can't do 150.

46:26

That. Holy shit one.

46:30

Sorry, I've just gotten

46:31

a message. You people.

46:33

You received 10

46:33

AUD from Nathaniel Dennis,

46:37

John Simpson and I think

46:37

this might be legitimate.

46:41

I don't know. Here in this annual O.J. Simpson is holy shit,

46:45

that's the first proper payment. Thank you, Nathaniel.

46:47

Nathaniel.

46:50

Let's actually get Daniel,

46:50

who's

46:52

supported before Nathaniel. Legends.

46:53

You've done it. I'm glad.

46:56

If it is exactly the same. Nathaniel, which I'm assuming you're listening to

46:59

be able to do that, I'm pretty sure Congratulations

47:00

on the new job.

47:03

you've got a new job. Over with

47:04

one of the banks. Excellent. Has a coach.

47:05

So congratulations.

47:08

Thank you very much. Spare bank. Money. Thank you, Nathaniel.

47:11

Much Appreciate it. Really. I look it a look at him.

47:13

He's excited.

47:15

We didn't think this was going to happen

47:16

and he's gotten it. He's actually

47:17

gonna come through. I really do appreciate it.

47:19

Unbelievable. That's it.

47:22

Might as well then. Should check the. Actual.

47:24

I was actually going to go check. It wasn't like a fake. Well, I just want to.

47:27

Check like the comments in case

47:28

he's been commenting and I've been missing it. Wow. I don't even know.

47:32

Whether whether he's. Yes, sorry, Isaiah talking

47:33

three.

47:35

Sorry. He did Well, he's in the chat. Just donated ten bucks

47:37

and PayPal to ruin the running joke.

47:40

They got some runs on the board. Now, I know you told them

47:41

my secret middle names.

47:44

Sorry, I didn't. Didn't mean to. That secret. Secret?

47:47

Our. Our. That's what

47:48

we haven't already. Thank you, Nathaniel.

47:49

Much. Appreciate it. Wow. Now, just on the.

47:53

Yes, I agree with you

47:53

on that regard

47:55

because there's certain things

47:57

that they do from a longevity perspective

47:58

that you can do. Everybody can do.

48:01

The reality is memorials.

48:03

You're not going to do that. You're not going

48:04

be doing all these things. And if you are

48:06

if you're that level of dedication,

48:07

discipline for it,

48:10

then one of the titles

48:10

I put down was

48:13

If you do care about longevity, fool

48:14

the most about me.

48:17

For most me mortals, it's the

48:19

the big things that are going to give you the 80% benefit.

48:21

Everything else is just like

48:23

the extra little inch. Are you going to track

48:24

that? You know,

48:26

that particular thing gave me three

48:27

more weeks of living.

48:29

Yeah, who cares? You're not going to know. And there's a whole host

48:33

of other things in front of it that make sense

48:34

to put the energy

48:37

rather than caring about like, well, I'm making

48:38

sure that I do this now. It is the regular habits

48:40

that you practice

48:43

that are in the right association that do help you from

48:45

the longevity perspective.

48:47

But don't get fooled into the hype because these people

48:50

are having hundred dollar bills. That's all I've got you

48:51

to say. Alive night.

48:53

That's not how it works. And, you know,

48:55

one of the things I often when I'm listening

48:56

to some of these things is

48:59

a visit

48:59

from ICE just dubbed it

49:01

You Don't Die by an accident. Don't do a lot of things

49:02

which are going to be so ridiculously obvious

49:04

for you to die that

49:08

probabilistically you probably will die first because of that

49:09

rather than anything else. And they do somewhat

49:11

talk about this.

49:13

Brian Johnson mentioned he likes to fly planes,

49:17

but he was looking at

49:17

the stats and it was like,

49:20

you've got like a 70%

49:20

more mortality chance

49:23

if you fly alone because you know

49:26

you have a heart attack

49:26

or something up there.

49:29

The plane is going

49:29

to crash people.

49:31

And so, you know, doing

49:34

obviously they're he's like, well, I'm not going to ever fly

49:35

alone. And he's got the money

49:37

so that he doesn't ever have to do that.

49:39

I mean, if you're flying a plane, you've already

49:40

got some money. And and so

49:45

once again, it's like

49:47

I think they would talk about it, but it's not their focus

49:49

to talk.

49:51

And I think that that comes to the crux

49:52

of my problem, where

49:55

in general

49:55

putting out information

49:57

to the world on

49:57

Hey Zoetrope hey an idea

50:01

or whatever it is it does

50:03

then I'll the one that's similar to all of it it's like again it's like

50:05

he was like, yes.

50:07

And I was like,

50:07

yes, But, you know,

50:11

people sleeping,

50:11

just sleeping enough,

50:14

you know, doing something

50:14

stupid that you're

50:16

putting yourself in

50:16

probably to die.

50:18

Are you just

50:18

broadly eating,

50:21

eating like absolutely trash, just not eating some

50:24

preserved food all the time. Okay. Is more general,

50:27

more simple things

50:27

to follow than the pay?

50:31

Well, I have say this particular supplement is going to be fine.

50:34

No, it isn't. It's something for a

50:34

reason. It supplements

50:37

the big things that you do. And so yeah,

50:40

and I think they do say it

50:40

because in

50:42

they've asked Facebook. I know that I just

50:44

get out of the name of the

50:47

it it called that all out and it's

50:48

you know the big things which is cardiovascular

50:50

disease and Alzheimer's

50:53

and you know what diabetes

50:53

look, you

50:56

the killers, you got to do something about that. So they do tend to say

50:58

that anyways in the book.

51:01

So I will vouch for them

51:01

that maybe in these broad

51:04

amount of books they do talk about that. And I peter a net loss

51:06

of live talked about so

51:11

but I think the takeaway that most people especially fanatics

51:13

go is it's the cool little thing that everyone

51:15

must be doing this which is like, hey,

51:18

the thing that you should if you really want

51:19

to focus on it, that's the main key focus,

51:21

the mean meaty stuff.

51:24

Just because everything else, like red light therapy, blue light

51:26

therapy, blue light therapy, okay, they have some benefit

51:28

and some.

51:30

But is it really determinable by me

51:31

and not really.

51:34

Yeah, I think it's just

51:34

part of it's down to,

51:38

you know, the longevity. Mojave

51:39

When I was coming up with the title

51:41

of the episode, it's that

51:44

constant kind of like selling or you need to find

51:45

the next new thing. Like the next study

51:47

is going to break it.

51:50

It's going to break it wide open. This is like grapes,

51:51

grapes of the thing.

51:54

And it's really hard to,

51:56

I don't know,

51:56

maybe make a career out of

51:59

do these five things,

51:59

get your sleep in order,

52:02

get your, you know,

52:02

like don't overeat,

52:05

minimise sugar,

52:07

you know, exercise

52:07

relatively frequently.

52:11

You know, the big ones.

52:13

I think it's

52:13

just really hard to make a

52:16

I don't know a name

52:16

for yourself or like, this is the longevity

52:18

dude.

52:20

If you're just telling people. Agree. To do that.

52:23

The 510. Thing,

52:23

that's amazing.

52:25

Yeah, exactly. I want no, I want I want to live

52:26

even longer. I want to.

52:30

What were they saying? You know, putting testosterone cream

52:32

on my balls.

52:34

And and I actually said

52:34

that in the podcast.

52:37

And to,

52:40

you know, of what's the difference

52:41

of putting it in your balls

52:42

versus putting on, you know, taking it via

52:44

injection or something and

52:49

yeah, it's. Just this is not

52:50

be a moral conversation.

52:52

It's like a normal conversation you be having around

52:54

the watercooler. It's yeah, it's

52:55

just, it's just excessive and I, I get it

52:57

I get from the monetary

53:00

aspect of you probably. And if there is a guy out

53:02

there, you know,

53:04

we're probably doing an injustice to him because he's probably

53:05

like, I'm the longevity dude, but

53:06

we've never heard of him

53:09

because he's just saying

53:09

drama.

53:11

General Yeah. Exactly.

53:13

And so, like, I feel kind

53:13

of bad for that.

53:15

Both, you know, here we are somewhat,

53:17

you know, promoting some people who are it's

53:20

like these are longevity guys. Whereas,

53:22

you know, there's there's actually and there's

53:24

spectrums of this as well.

53:26

I've got this kind of

53:26

in my my summary of the

53:29

the spectrums. Did you want to talk about

53:29

the longevity of like

53:33

the II sort of longevity? Yeah. Let's listen it

53:35

So and life extension,

53:35

I think that's what

53:39

going to become. I reckon this is going to become

53:40

more and more a thing. There's going to be

53:42

definitely more in the conversation

53:45

and in the general

53:45

parlance of,

53:48

life extension

53:48

longevity means these

53:51

when we're engineers and I specifically was

53:54

structural engineer in my past. Now in structure

53:56

engineering, when you're doing a.

53:57

Civil. Now civil,

53:58

structural well, civil

54:00

but major construction.

54:00

yeah.

54:02

So it structural

54:02

structures in general.

54:05

Bridges, buildings, dams.

54:08

You don't design these fucking things. You can build them

54:10

for forever. Forever.

54:12

You don't do that. What do you do? Same with one

54:14

in a thousand year flood.

54:16

Exactly. But. But you put years to it. You actually build

54:18

something. So. Okay, that building will

54:19

withstand for 125 years

54:22

mathematically

54:22

by the numbers after that.

54:25

Yeah. You know, if you get out

54:25

of it, it's good. Awesome.

54:27

If not, probably say go to a place. It does give a replacement

54:31

because in general,

54:31

when something

54:33

like a bridge, you maintain it, you just maintain the

54:36

usual yearly thing

54:36

that you maintain a with,

54:38

you replace the things that keep it clean. You check for rust, right?

54:41

But after a certain

54:41

amount of time, right

54:43

service here in Brisbane, there's a section of that

54:46

particular bridge, the very old bridge that gets replaced

54:47

that has whole sections.

54:49

I get replace

54:49

piping the steel. Why?

54:52

Because when that was built, that particular bridge

54:54

was for horse and carriage

54:54

gone across it.

54:58

Now it's in cars. Yeah. Right.

55:00

You know trucks it doesn't,

55:01

we've saying it very well so it has to get replaced,

55:03

it has to be fixed up

55:05

to continue living, living

55:05

if you want to call that

55:07

as a thing right

55:07

now, extend its life.

55:10

Yeah. I think we're going

55:11

to get to a point in time where people are going

55:13

to say, going well,

55:15

because in general

55:15

it's like 75 years old

55:18

and around 35 years old. What happens to males

55:19

and females, folks

55:21

from longevity specialists? What do you think of that

55:23

75 hip problems?

55:25

I don't know. Muscle at 75 years

55:26

old, roughly.

55:29

Your muscle, your volume and your

55:31

strength of muscle

55:33

basically just falls off

55:33

a cliff that's gone.

55:35

Colonisation as well. That's colonisation week.

55:38

So, you know, in my mind

55:38

I go, well shit,

55:41

I was going to be

55:41

as strong as possible

55:43

because actually if I get there,

55:44

is it going to happen? No matter what you do,

55:46

it's going to happen.

55:48

How are you going to stop that. Well, and that's when you start going,

55:50

okay, well you have to rebel against

55:51

the existing muscle. The existing tendency is

55:54

so genes and everything like that. The only way that

55:57

I can start seeing people doing this, which I would imagine them

55:59

to go down, is replacement. So this is not like

56:01

fiction

56:04

might have been like 20 years ago. You can 3D print things,

56:07

you know, internal organs

56:07

and the like.

56:09

I could see them into like, you know,

56:10

printing out like, okay, I need a new right arm

56:12

on your new left arm.

56:15

Where it starts getting weird, I think is

56:15

when the guys like your

56:19

valves and your arteries

56:19

and all that.

56:21

They as well. Your blood

56:22

pumping through them, There's degradation

56:24

of them as well. That happens

56:26

as you get older. Right? At some point

56:28

you have to almost

56:28

replace your entire body.

56:31

Yeah. Realistically,

56:31

to be able to continue

56:34

living to a particular right unless you I'd be some

56:37

freakazoid with the genes and allows it

56:38

to continue to exist. But even that.

56:41

Can you modify that? Maybe not now

56:41

because it's blood flowing

56:44

through a particular like tube that's just too great

56:45

at that point.

56:48

If you start completely changing a human

56:48

like that, you know,

56:52

it could be a cool

56:52

of a cable pot cyborg.

56:54

Is that now longevity

56:54

or is that

56:57

do you have to call that something completely different,

56:58

which is yeah, as Brian said, you know,

57:00

you evolving now,

57:02

you becoming the superior

57:02

being into a

57:04

a novel thing that's not a human anymore. It's this amalgamation of

57:08

previous existing group

57:08

into machine.

57:12

Like, yeah, there's the I mean it's an age

57:13

old question, it's

57:16

the ship of Theseus

57:16

we had of this before.

57:19

The ship Theseus. Yeah.

57:21

So it's the name

57:21

of the paradox derived

57:24

from Plutarch originally.

57:24

And basically it was like

57:27

full of the philosophers

57:28

used to debate this, whereas you've

57:29

got the ship

57:32

Theseus ship needs replacing. Okay, we'll replace that.

57:34

People would now replace that tank. Would you let you replace

57:36

every plank of wood

57:39

is so that none

57:41

are the original from the

57:41

original ship of Theseus.

57:44

Is that still the ship

57:46

or is that now

57:46

an entirely new thing?

57:49

And you know. That's the whole books.

57:52

All books are in on that sort of stuff. We want to try

57:53

and solve that here. But I do think that, yeah,

57:54

if you want to start

57:58

making some claims

57:58

of longevity of

58:01

I mean, even immortality,

58:04

immortality once again,

58:04

I think you're

58:07

silly in the sense like, okay, you're going to

58:08

outlive the heat death of the universe

58:10

sort of thing,

58:12

but like an insect

58:12

through a black hole.

58:14

But if you if you wanted to say,

58:16

like, really, really, really long time,

58:18

you know, millennia

58:20

or millions of years

58:23

doing that through, like, some sort of

58:27

robots, you know,

58:27

uploading consciousness

58:30

into a computer,

58:30

that sort of thing.

58:33

Are you still you

58:35

I think you could make a case for that. You know, I'm

58:37

still me now, even though

58:40

what probably most of the atoms in my body

58:42

of when I was me as a baby

58:45

are not the same atoms. So I think you can make

58:46

an argument for that,

58:50

sure enough. but yeah, yeah.

58:52

On the longevity aspects,

58:55

they if they talk about A.I., they rarely

58:57

talk about it in,

58:59

in that sort of context. Yeah. Relation.

59:02

It's usually that usually

59:02

my more focussed on

59:05

like the real atoms

59:05

physical,

59:09

sort of like my body

59:09

sort of thing rather than,

59:12

rather than the brain, which is a shame

59:13

because they do, they sometimes

59:15

talk about the brain like they'll

59:16

sometimes be like,

59:18

there's no point having like a real healthy body

59:19

if your, if you mind shop.

59:23

Like my mom's a pretty

59:23

good example of this.

59:25

She's fucking strongman when she's when she's angry

59:27

and she grabs my wrist,

59:30

it hurts like, Mum, stop

59:30

that it actually hurts me.

59:34

But her mind's her minds go on Like there's, there's,

59:36

there's very little of who she used to be,

59:37

where she is now.

59:41

And so

59:43

they kind of get it. They sometimes talk about it, but probably if I had to.

59:45

Go off the loose end.

59:48

Yeah, yeah. Then they go off,

59:48

they listen and talk more about the body.

59:51

Whereas I think should

59:53

if I was going to like,

59:53

get into longevity,

59:56

I would be looking at

59:56

brain related stuff.

59:58

Personally. Yeah. I wouldn't, I wouldn't

59:59

spend much time on them

1:00:02

extending my body lifespan. I'd be looking

1:00:04

more at like, okay, how can I keep my brain

1:00:05

healthy?

1:00:08

Well, let's talk about as I say, I'll give you

1:00:09

I'll give you the

1:00:11

maybe the Shorten view of,

1:00:11

I guess, how I see it,

1:00:14

maybe how mere mortals should see it. And this comes from like a

1:00:17

of again, top books are

1:00:17

probably not all books

1:00:20

that probably

1:00:20

you've read out of them.

1:00:23

Endless amount of podcasts on this particular topic,

1:00:24

a lot of things around it.

1:00:28

And I would say as well that there are aspects

1:00:29

of me being said

1:00:32

to the bias that I would Max I want to maximise some things now

1:00:34

in any case, and that's not going to be

1:00:36

achieving ultimate,

1:00:38

you know, optimal longevity

1:00:38

and that's just fine.

1:00:40

But, but the big key

1:00:40

things I'm going to say

1:00:43

from a body perspective,

1:00:43

but in general, you know,

1:00:47

sleep obviously being sleep, that's about going

1:00:49

without anybody. Look, sleep,

1:00:51

just sleep better. That's the thing.

1:00:53

But couple of pillars

1:00:53

on more more thinking

1:00:55

fitness perspective for things. So cardio has done

1:00:57

Push-Ups.

1:00:59

That's what you're going

1:00:59

to want to do on. A.

1:01:02

Cardio so you kind of physical injuries. Okay,

1:01:04

the VO2. Max is not good. Your strength

1:01:06

and your balance.

1:01:08

Okay. That's basically the key

1:01:09

for things. Peter to a spine.

1:01:11

I've got to compete you.

1:01:13

So strength is like underneath all

1:01:15

that has a lot of things.

1:01:18

Bone density, muscle

1:01:18

mass and muscle

1:01:20

thickness Strains of the muscle. Yeah, but stability

1:01:24

is the big thing, which is yoga. A lot. About being able

1:01:26

to move your body, like able to use that

1:01:28

strength, I. Guess. Y And while

1:01:29

all of these things carryover to strengthen

1:01:31

stability like easily,

1:01:34

why cause these all falls of a cliff

1:01:35

as you get older, if you are lucky enough

1:01:37

to get older, this all falls off a cliff. It's the reality

1:01:39

of what you got. Like you cannot do

1:01:41

anything about this. I thought. You're going to say

1:01:42

like you fall off a cliff if you don't have these

1:01:44

things. Like that.

1:01:47

Which you probably do right. But all of these things

1:01:48

will taper down at

1:01:51

some point is you can't do anything about it. It's a get

1:01:53

it as best as possible.

1:01:55

And Peter, it he has a wonderful stuff

1:01:55

about this. It's get it

1:01:57

to the best place you can

1:02:00

so that

1:02:00

when the inevitable comes

1:02:02

you are a better off point than you would have been before. And that's it.

1:02:05

That's really it from a

1:02:05

at least my perspective

1:02:08

mind. You know, it's the conversations

1:02:09

around Well it's just broadly

1:02:11

you want to take care of

1:02:13

your sharpness,

1:02:13

the memory,

1:02:15

you know, the newness and the adventure. And what I mean by this is

1:02:19

there are little fun, quirky

1:02:20

things that you can do in

1:02:23

everyday life, which I think from a mind perspective can keep

1:02:24

you sharp and it's

1:02:28

if I was to boil it down,

1:02:28

when I've read mostly

1:02:30

about longevity

1:02:30

around the mind, it's

1:02:33

doing new novel

1:02:33

things that the mind

1:02:35

doesn't really incorporate

1:02:35

or done before.

1:02:37

So sometimes

1:02:37

it's a little as have you.

1:02:39

If you brush your teeth, your right hand, sometimes a brush

1:02:41

with your left hand, but it's also a adventure.

1:02:42

It's also reading.

1:02:45

It's also just keeping your mind in a state of active

1:02:46

participation and usage,

1:02:49

not sitting there, you know, drooling

1:02:52

over a Netflix website

1:02:52

for 5 hours

1:02:54

every single night that there's different. There's shown changes

1:02:58

to the brain patterns around that, just absolutely shutting

1:03:00

your brain off versus actively engaging with it

1:03:02

and participating with it.

1:03:06

And then business. So the Harvard study

1:03:07

about happiness

1:03:11

and whatnot is finished and there's a lot big piece

1:03:12

about social connections being a big proponent.

1:03:16

Well, the biggest proponent to that. But I would also say it's

1:03:19

the from a longevity

1:03:19

perspective,

1:03:21

loneliness is a. Killer

1:03:21

sort of thing. Exactly.

1:03:23

But it's also the B both

1:03:25

fucking the purpose of it, right. If you want to if you say

1:03:27

I want to live to 184.

1:03:30

What for what, Dave? What do you want to live

1:03:32

to? 100. If you want to live to 100

1:03:34

because you want to see the cake. You really enjoys

1:03:36

putting testosterone 20.

1:03:39

You put testosterone in

1:03:39

your balls for 180 years.

1:03:42

Fuck it. Okay, sounds dumb. Dumb, right?

1:03:45

But if you have to be honest, it's like,

1:03:46

you know, why? What's

1:03:47

the anchoring reason that you want to live long

1:03:48

if the.

1:03:51

I think the answer that comes around the

1:03:51

the social connections,

1:03:53

if it's more attributed

1:03:53

to that. Yeah.

1:03:55

It also a big part which I think

1:03:58

a lot of the longevity conversations means is there's going to be

1:04:00

a reason to live.

1:04:02

Yeah. If you have this

1:04:03

clinical person like Brian Johnson

1:04:04

living his life like, hey,

1:04:07

I'm doing all these things

1:04:07

and whatnot,

1:04:09

but when they comes home, he's like, You know what? I've got two friends.

1:04:11

I got my family

1:04:11

and my kills himself.

1:04:15

Well, man, that was useless. Yeah.

1:04:17

So part of that is also

1:04:17

from a soul perspective is

1:04:21

if you have reasons

1:04:21

to live and this can apply

1:04:23

because by things, it also in that way

1:04:24

pushes you to live longer.

1:04:27

And also I would believe that in terms of if I said to myself, Hey,

1:04:31

I was maybe not now, a little bit later,

1:04:32

if I was like, Hey, I'm 95 years old

1:04:33

and I want to make to 100

1:04:36

because, you know, my daughter's going to be this age and want to live,

1:04:38

you'll probably push yourself to do that. There's there's,

1:04:41

I think, positive that mentality, but then it spreads on

1:04:44

what you're doing and you aspects of living

1:04:44

to optimise for that

1:04:48

just generally both consciously

1:04:49

and subconsciously. But yeah,

1:04:51

if you have no anchoring

1:04:51

reason apart from,

1:04:53

you know, as you said, it's your first or I just want to live

1:04:55

longer, I kind of question

1:04:57

like, man, that one way to really

1:04:59

quickly get deviated with

1:05:02

when the top well

1:05:02

it's easy when it's easy.

1:05:04

Yeah. But when the tough times

1:05:05

come calling and you've got to answer

1:05:07

the why man you're going to have

1:05:08

a hard time actually answering

1:05:10

and doing the right. Yeah. Was what is it

1:05:12

the man who has a Y

1:05:12

I can bear almost.

1:05:15

Anyhow, the nice quote. Yep. Yeah,

1:05:16

these are pretty good.

1:05:19

So my

1:05:19

little summary here was

1:05:22

just, just be careful out there people. If you, if you get

1:05:24

into like the longevity sort of thing, I think there's a spectrum

1:05:26

of decent ness of,

1:05:29

you know, who would I personally recommend the Peter

1:05:30

It is a Tim Farriss,

1:05:33

you know, in that Peter

1:05:33

it's about the longevity

1:05:35

and the on

1:05:35

the Reddit post,

1:05:38

the guy didn't really have

1:05:38

any key recommendations

1:05:40

because that really was

1:05:40

none of those like

1:05:43

one one stop

1:05:43

thing will will keep you

1:05:45

sort of thing. I think I'm

1:05:46

guessing that book is more

1:05:48

you know those pillars. As often as which

1:05:49

I guess it to my dad so I.

1:05:52

Could go. Yeah. I'd be really

1:05:53

keen to tonight.

1:05:55

I feel like people like Brian Johnson, Dave Asprey,

1:05:57

they're the kind of on the other side of that,

1:05:59

of the

1:06:01

the people I would take

1:06:01

less seriously.

1:06:04

And then there's a lot of people

1:06:05

in the middle of that. This is more like

1:06:07

the Davidson class or three degrees

1:06:09

where I listen

1:06:12

to a couple of their kind of podcasts

1:06:12

of them talking

1:06:14

and they're very focussed

1:06:14

on the diet

1:06:16

or the science or like one particular aspect of the longevity,

1:06:21

but not, not kind

1:06:21

of the wackiest stuff.

1:06:24

So that makes you, you can get. Yeah, and I just don't

1:06:25

understand how it works.

1:06:27

Like is it

1:06:27

a 0.5% accumulation per,

1:06:31

per pill or. Patrick Like

1:06:32

where are they getting these numbers of

1:06:33

180 is wrong. I just, I don't

1:06:35

I don't know how they do.

1:06:38

They multiply go exponential. Sarah Fountain of Youth.

1:06:41

I do have some predictions though that I'd be willing to

1:06:43

make.

1:06:46

I'd be willing to bet that if you took the top

1:06:48

20 longevity people

1:06:51

and and said like, you know, these are the top 20

1:06:52

as of right now,

1:06:55

I bet that

1:06:55

the average life expect,

1:06:57

like if we tally it all up 50 as time goes

1:07:00

by, let's just say that

1:07:00

most of them are in their

1:07:03

thirties,

1:07:03

forties, 70 years time.

1:07:05

But I reckon

1:07:05

the average age

1:07:07

they will live

1:07:07

two is probably like 90.

1:07:09

I'll be surprised if it goes above that. I'd be willing to

1:07:13

put some serious money down long term, but obviously.

1:07:16

That's a long term. But that that's something

1:07:19

I would I'd be willing to bet that these people

1:07:21

don't really break

1:07:23

like into the hundreds or anything. I think they'll just be

1:07:25

normal humans

1:07:27

for the most part. The biggest gains

1:07:29

will come from more

1:07:29

control over the brain.

1:07:32

So I would

1:07:32

actually say like

1:07:34

probably the biggest gains in longevity

1:07:35

related to the body.

1:07:38

So not talking about like

1:07:38

uploading into a AI or

1:07:41

or even implementation of,

1:07:44

you know, bionic stuff

1:07:45

into our bodies,

1:07:47

I think it would be more like a neuralink thing where it

1:07:50

we can just access certain

1:07:50

aspects and be like,

1:07:53

I want to quit smoking. And it just does it,

1:07:56

it just like requires

1:07:57

a brain and stops you from

1:07:59

doing the stupid shit. So you still would have

1:08:00

to have

1:08:03

that. You would, you would still have to

1:08:05

have the knowledge of like smoke because there's

1:08:08

people out there who I'm sure smoke

1:08:08

and they're like,

1:08:11

no, it's actually good

1:08:11

for me

1:08:14

and the medical

1:08:14

association like,

1:08:16

but a lot of,

1:08:16

I don't know that shit.

1:08:18

So all that sort of stuff

1:08:21

I think will stay. But I think there's

1:08:22

some gains to be made of

1:08:25

hacking in like.

1:08:27

In the mines. I want to do this thing

1:08:28

and the,

1:08:31

the neuralink thing helps

1:08:31

do it instantly

1:08:33

and that would gain

1:08:35

a couple of more slowly into that. And so we will see the top

1:08:37

lifespan grow.

1:08:40

So I think people

1:08:40

will reach into like

1:08:42

100 and thirties,

1:08:42

maybe 100 and 140,

1:08:45

but I think they'll be mostly just due to there

1:08:47

being more humans, not necessarily

1:08:48

like breakthroughs.

1:08:51

So like I think we'll

1:08:51

just have more outliers.

1:08:54

I think the pseudoscience

1:08:54

kind of

1:08:57

bullshit will persist. I will not combat

1:08:58

misinformation.

1:09:01

So there is still going to be all of these guys out

1:09:03

there, not there, not all.

1:09:06

Yeah, I think this

1:09:06

a nuanced interview.

1:09:08

So we're not totally

1:09:08

trashing them, but

1:09:10

there's certain aspects

1:09:10

where they get onto a

1:09:13

really good thing where

1:09:13

it's like, Yeah, okay.

1:09:16

but I might be

1:09:16

able to analyse your data

1:09:20

and kind of combat

1:09:20

that, relying

1:09:22

too much on the cumulative

1:09:22

human data.

1:09:25

the optimal diet is what?

1:09:27

The optimal diet is going to be optimal

1:09:28

for me and not,

1:09:31

you know, optimal diet

1:09:31

for men.

1:09:33

And growing. Up. Yeah, Caucasians in their thirties

1:09:35

and born in Australia

1:09:37

with, you know, English

1:09:37

heritage,

1:09:40

which I imagine as my wants it, I've,

1:09:42

I haven't done the ancestry, who knows,

1:09:43

I could be Scandinavian.

1:09:45

So I think that be gains

1:09:45

to be had in longevity

1:09:49

is just not going to come from the stuff

1:09:50

they're talking about. Yeah, the pills, the

1:09:54

the testosterone in the bowls, the all that sort of stuff.

1:09:56

Yeah. If I was to

1:09:57

go out on a limb and say

1:10:00

from what I've heard, genuinely, apart from like,

1:10:01

you know, the call you sleep and all

1:10:03

sorts of. What Yeah.

1:10:06

I agree with you with the mindset. What's the other thing.

1:10:09

I would say hey, if you really if you really care about this, about longevity

1:10:11

and you want to extend it,

1:10:14

I would say. Okay, Focus on you

1:10:15

as a human.

1:10:20

You're dead, right?

1:10:22

300 kilowatts minimum.

1:10:24

As a system, just imagine the system run as a human.

1:10:27

We talked about like bridges and all this

1:10:28

sort of stuff, slowing the process down

1:10:29

of being a human

1:10:33

in an active way,

1:10:35

in whichever way a form that I look at now,

1:10:36

that you could go in a whole different vibe.

1:10:39

But what I mean by that is

1:10:41

it's simple. You as a human degrade,

1:10:42

right? And to be happens

1:10:45

because you expending

1:10:45

energy utilising energy

1:10:48

and you expending energy and through the uses

1:10:49

of expanding energy, you are breaking down

1:10:50

your body. That's it in

1:10:52

all its forms. It's right

1:10:54

because you're using,

1:10:54

you're using it's okay.

1:10:57

You want to you wanna try to extend

1:10:58

your life in the pure form

1:11:00

of extension of longevity.

1:11:02

Be more sedentary. It's be well,

1:11:03

it might not be sent

1:11:05

because it's trying to get to a a space

1:11:06

where you are

1:11:09

utilising the least amount

1:11:09

of energy.

1:11:12

Yeah. If you live minimally and. It and it doesn't

1:11:14

necessarily mean being a sedentary

1:11:17

is possible because you know

1:11:17

you can get into the variations of Yeah,

1:11:19

but if you sedentary

1:11:22

your heart rate

1:11:22

go up higher versus

1:11:24

doing a little bit of training where actually brings

1:11:26

your heart rate average down and then your heart's

1:11:28

beating less, pumping less blood,

1:11:30

less energy that's needed.

1:11:32

So this is like you have

1:11:32

to find some little.

1:11:35

Yeah, Nice point.

1:11:37

Golden cross the way it's like, okay, that's the right thing.

1:11:40

But if you want to do that, what you want to do

1:11:41

is try eat. You eventually try to

1:11:45

exist in a world where

1:11:45

you're not eating too much

1:11:47

because you're not ingesting

1:11:47

too much calories

1:11:49

and you're also just not exerting that much. I've heard

1:11:52

being in a colder

1:11:52

environment actually

1:11:54

increases your lifespan

1:11:54

because you're just not

1:11:57

like you're not sweating as much. You're not burning

1:12:00

that. I have. Kind of heard that I don't

1:12:02

once again, I. Could probably

1:12:04

you could make claims

1:12:04

like whatever Sue called.

1:12:06

And so your body has

1:12:06

to actively

1:12:09

utilise energy for it. But you know, it's

1:12:09

I mean you could, you could take that in

1:12:11

so many ways. But I had to go on a limb,

1:12:12

I'd say. And if you're holding me

1:12:14

memorial say like one,

1:12:16

tell me something about the different. I'd say yeah

1:12:18

it's, you'd have to just reduce your energy

1:12:19

expenditure to human and that

1:12:22

that should, you know, apart

1:12:23

from dying or dying from another

1:12:24

genetic thing it's well that's going to be

1:12:27

the best way to keep your body

1:12:27

operating for longer

1:12:29

because just being useless. If you're an engineer

1:12:31

or a handyman mechanic.

1:12:34

When I

1:12:34

worked in the mines,

1:12:36

the, you know, there was a whole branch of people

1:12:37

maintenance,

1:12:40

the maintenance crew of just making sure

1:12:41

the machines were running. And basically

1:12:44

the goal of them is just to maximise

1:12:45

uptime per year

1:12:47

because uptime equals

1:12:47

more coal

1:12:50

getting dug or more dirt

1:12:50

getting dug

1:12:52

equals more money,

1:12:52

plain and simple. And

1:12:56

and the you know, there's

1:12:56

probably some metrics

1:12:59

where it's like they were not optimised for maximum uptime

1:13:02

over the 100 year period

1:13:02

like a human should.

1:13:06

They're probably aiming

1:13:06

for more like 30 years

1:13:09

maybe if that. But yeah

1:13:12

they would do all these things or it's like, well, you can't have the machine

1:13:14

sitting too long so that

1:13:14

sometimes pop up machines.

1:13:18

But they would have people go out there and just like

1:13:20

turn it on, get the juices running once a week,

1:13:22

maybe something like that.

1:13:25

And then, you know, they

1:13:25

also wouldn't thrash it.

1:13:28

And if they were thrashing

1:13:28

it, that it would break.

1:13:31

And so there would always be these spms like special plan

1:13:33

maintenance or whatever,

1:13:36

where they would it would be like,

1:13:37

you know, production crew

1:13:39

or like wanting to thrash it like, fuck fucking,

1:13:41

let's go. Let's get the cold out,

1:13:43

let's dig, dig, dig, dig, dig. But then it would have

1:13:45

to be like, no. Okay, we've learned as

1:13:48

a business this isn't optimal. We do that to do this.

1:13:50

So, so let's let's like, give the machines a break

1:13:52

every now and then. So, you know,

1:13:55

it's it's, it's in that in-between zone

1:13:56

where where it's it's probably worth

1:13:58

like thinking of the human body is like,

1:13:59

okay, it's an engine.

1:14:02

Now I like it

1:14:02

I like that decision

1:14:04

Little tidbit on the side but just an interesting

1:14:06

thing generally for machinery,

1:14:07

if you want to know if it is just broadly for

1:14:09

everything, as you said,

1:14:11

the cost is in the

1:14:11

in the uptime.

1:14:14

That's why generally when you buy machines, that's the construction

1:14:16

that relatively cheap.

1:14:18

What cost you a lot of money is a maintenance. That's why they make

1:14:20

that's actually where most companies

1:14:21

make them. Yeah. I guess maintenance

1:14:22

which makes sense because once

1:14:24

you give them the product

1:14:26

you have to make them. Yeah. Yeah. So you want to do a quick

1:14:27

because you need

1:14:29

to get it back in there to make money. That's where all

1:14:30

the money is made from. Is probably

1:14:32

the same stuff. It's actually from

1:14:33

the pot, from the pot.

1:14:35

So they make all the money. And I know because I

1:14:36

worked directly did that.

1:14:39

Yeah. Okay. Yes. I mean,

1:14:40

is it brilliant longevity?

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Thank you. Nobody.

1:14:46

Nathan But yeah. Daniel

1:14:47

Thank you so much, mate.

1:14:49

He's is it's been

1:14:49

the seal has been broken.

1:14:52

He said I've been trying. Yeah he's seen to

1:14:55

my brain is is joined

1:14:55

the legendary Chad very

1:14:59

we now have the legendary

1:14:59

Daniels and.

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