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Prize winners, legendary traders,

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irrational human beings. I

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am your host, Michael Koval, not

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filtered, raw, honest.

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That's my passion.

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My guest today is Bobby Casey.

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Bobby

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has made a career of helping people

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essentially move to

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another location. At the end

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of our conversation, he will explain

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more about that detail. but

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all the different types of services

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that

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one might need if they were to

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live outside their home country.

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but that's not what our conversation is about

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today. Our conversation is

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two guys sharing, two guys that

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have

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lived in other countries beyond their

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home country, Bobby happens to

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be American as well. But

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two guys sharing the experience

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to

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guys sharing the push offs

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so to speak. They're

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getting out there doing something different.

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I think Bobby will be inspiration for

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those of you that are maybe looking

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for something different. Maybe you're tired

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of the rat race. He brings

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a great story. for

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going abroad. For living abroad.

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None of this two week vacation crap.

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Cutting the Rip Court and going.

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Without any further delay, let's jump right

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into my conversation today with Bobby

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Casey. I hope you enjoy.

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Why the f? how the

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f did you? And I'm

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thinking

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North

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Carolina southern boy growing up.

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How the blanket did you get to Latvia to begin

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with? Yeah. It's weird

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story, but maybe assist my strange

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views. I moved to Estonia first,

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actually. I had never been to Estonia.

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At

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the time, I

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was married to my

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first life. We have three kids together.

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I speak some Russian. I actually have

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a degree. in Russian.

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My Russian grammar is probably not

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probably it's much better than my

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speaking skills. I'm not very good at speaking

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Russian, but I thought you know,

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it'd be kinda cool to go live

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in a place, the former Soviet

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country where I could practice my Russian.

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We kind of moved on a whim to Estonia.

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When I say on the whim, I mean, I've never

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been there. I'm at one person who said

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they lived for few months in a Stoney and

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liked it, and I thought, why not?

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Let's go for it.

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How old were you?

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Two thousand nine thirteen

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years ago. I'm forty eight now,

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so I would have been thirty fives, mid

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thirties. Was

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the US ticking you off or something or is this

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just literally I've got this Russian

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background, this degree, I wanna practice.

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Was there something about America in two

3:13

thousand nine? I do recall March

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of two thousand nine was pretty much the bottom

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of stuff, and then they queuing

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to infinity. But was there something that was

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making you about

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America at that moment sing. I've had

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enough.

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Probably a series of things

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happened there. I'd sold a company

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in two thousand eight, I got out

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of a business that started in my early

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twenties. I had sold off

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other business things. Let's

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say in the few years leading up to two thousand

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nine, I had a restaurant that I'd

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sold. I sold another service

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business. I sold all in my

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real estate except for my home, my

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residence. in North Carolina and

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I just liquidated everything. I just

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looking at things from the equities market,

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I was thinking, man, the pricing of the equity

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markets getting a little crazy. I wanna

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go liquid. I wanna get rid of some stuff.

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Also business wise, I was

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just burned out and set up with my business. So

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I sold it. I was just looking for a

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change I'm sure this is a big factor. I

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had a big motorcycle crash. In

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two thousand seven, we almost died.

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It's been a week in and out of consciousness

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in the hospital one of those

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near death experiences where I thought

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life's too short. I wanna do all

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this shit I wanna do. So let's

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go do that stuff. the American

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wife and three kids and off to Estonia. Yeah.

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I wanted to live abroad. A big

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factor for me was I wanted my kids

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to have an international experience. I

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don't mean going on vacation in Mexico.

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I mean, I wanted them to be culturally

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immersed, learn languages and

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stuff like that. I hear a lot of people

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say, Bobby, I could never do what

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you do. I've got kids in school. And I'm like,

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well, I had kids in school. No reason

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you can't do it. It's just you're choosing

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not to do it, which is okay. There's nothing wrong

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with that. too. Of course. I don't disparage

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anybody for their choice. Deep down, there's

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a little disparaging there because otherwise

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when it takes such an adventurous some path,

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if you thought the tried and

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true path of staying in America to

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learn pronouns

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and genders and whatnot, you would

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not you would not have chosen

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this alternative path

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to the former Soviet republics. Come

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on now. I'm not asking you to be mean

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to anybody else. Right. Let's put it

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that way. I do what I want. I don't really care

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what other people think. I had an event last

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week, a bunch of guys sitting around drinking,

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and I went to bed at nine thirty Like, I can't

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believe you're going to bed. I'm like, I wanna go

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to bed. I do what I want. You guys wanna

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stay up drinking and playing poker? I don't care.

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I'm going to bed. I do what I want. I

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thought this would be a good

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experience. What I was saying is a lot of people

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use their kids as an excuse to

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not do stuff. I mean, tons

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of people use their kids. Man, I would

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love to do this, but I got kids. I would

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love to do this, but I can't do that because

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of kids and so many

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people use their kids as an excuse why

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they don't do things. For me, I

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just flipped it the other way. I said,

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I'm not gonna use my kids as an used

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to not do something. I'm gonna use

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them as a reason why to do something.

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Because, come on, the education

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system in the US actually, probably

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most of the world. Public education system, most

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of the world's complete shit. What do you think you're

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gonna get a better education doing?

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Spending a year in some

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bullshit public school or

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traveling to ten different

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countries, learning a new language and making friends

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around the world. Which one is really gonna

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give you a better education? I was

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late to the game. I did six months in London

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when I was aged twenty five, twenty six for my

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last semester at grad school. the

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whole time I was thinking, why did I wait

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so long to try this? And that whole

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experience set in motion me being

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in Asia now for a decade These

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experiences are invaluable and they beat

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anything you might get in the classroom. And

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by the way, I mean, beyond parents using

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kids as an excuse, heck, people

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that don't have kids have all kinds of excuses.

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And everyone's got an excuse these days

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about why they need to be in the American

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system and they can't break the routine

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they must repeat what their parents did and they must

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die the same way, something like that. Well,

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the American dream is a bunch of

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propaganda nonsense anyway. I

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wanna live in

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suburbs with white picket fence

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and two cars and two kids

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and play golf at the country club on the

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weekend. It's a trap. Takes

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away your freedom. You lose freedom living

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in those boxes. And I don't wanna live

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in boxes. That's the main thing. because I don't wanna live

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in a box. If I decide

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right now, I've told you when

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we first got on the call before you start recording,

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I'm in voting, Lithuania. Yesterday,

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I had some guys in town

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visiting me. We did a mastermind last

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week. Some of the guys we're

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sitting around have a lunch. We're like, hey,

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let's go to Lithuania. I said,

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alright, we jumped in the car and drove to

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Lithuania, so we're down here for a few days. I

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don't want to be in a box. if I wanna go

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to Lithuania, I wanna go to Lithuania.

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I wanna do what I want. You get

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to Estonia with three kids, American

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wife

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at the time,

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something changed at some point? It

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was

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kind of a cool story how we got there out

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to dense it. Three kids, I have a

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girl and two boys. My oldest

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son or my middle kid him and

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I did kind of a little backpacking trip.

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We had one way tickets to Prague.

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We flew into Prague. Spent a few

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days. We went to Bernau, Czech Republic,

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went to a motorcycle race, some motor GP

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race, spent a few days there. But when

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we landed in Prague, the

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only thing we had on our Gendo was

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our first three nights hotel state in

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Prague. We didn't know how we

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were getting to Estonia when

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we landed. We didn't

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know anything. Nothing

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of nothing. Basically, I just

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said, we will figure it out as we go. So

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we landed spent a few days. Went to

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Bernos, spent a few days. We took the train

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to Warsaw. We just decided that

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looks like it's kind of on the way. Let's go to

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Warsaw. Spend a few days. We

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spent a few days then in Villenius where I am

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now. Same thing we took a bus to Villenius,

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spent a few days, and Duriga

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spent a few days, and then we went to talk to

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Estonia, where we were moving to. When we

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arrived in Tartou, the only

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thing we had and I'd only booked it the day

9:07

before was three days at

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a hotel him and I

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landed, checked into our hotel.

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We went out the next day. And literally, all we

9:15

did for three days is look for real estate

9:17

agents and look for an

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apartment. It's just to rent an apartment before

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my wife and other two kids showed

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up a few days later. That's it.

9:26

We just walked around and a funny

9:28

thing happen. We were walking through the street, central

9:30

square in talk to him and I

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were talking in English, of course. And a

9:34

woman came up to us. She goes, hey, you guys

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are Americans. English. Choose

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American also. And, like, yeah.

9:40

Yeah. We're Americans. Got to

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talking. She was like, what

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are you doing for school, for your kids?

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And

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I said, I have no clue what I'm going

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for school for my kids. I have no idea.

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No clue whatsoever. She

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just laughed, she goes, My husband and

9:55

I just found this school

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in town that looks like they're accommodating

9:59

for foreign kids. There's a

10:02

meeting there tonight If you wanna

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join me, you can. I'm like, alright.

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So we went and showed up and that's how I

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enrolled the kids in school. because my

10:10

idea and people like my god. What did you do for

10:12

school? How did you plan that out? I didn't plan any

10:14

of it because the thing

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is you'll

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figure shit out as you go.

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If

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I were to make

10:21

the choice to move abroad, but

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I said I'm gonna figure everything out

10:25

before I go. I never would have went. You know

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what I mean? I never would have got

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on the plane in the first place because

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there's so many details to

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figure out. You'll get paralyzed

10:36

by what do you call it analysis paralysis,

10:38

you'll get paralyzed by trying to figure

10:40

everything out. I

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didn't. I just don't

10:42

misspells by a one way plane ticket and figure it out.

10:44

And we figured it out. We found a school,

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put the kids in school. What's it?

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I'll give you

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credit for doing it the way you did it because

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when I went to London in my mid twenty I

10:53

did it like you planned, but no plan.

10:55

Just get there and figure it out. I finished

10:57

school, whatever. Roughly knew the university that

10:59

I need to get some credits from whatever. When

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I did Asia in twenty thirteen,

11:03

I was on this high

11:05

paid thing and all around all these

11:07

twenty cities and whatnot, ten plus

11:09

countries I'm embarrassed to

11:11

think back to why

11:13

did I need to have all of that to

11:15

just go? I could have gone

11:17

without that. And for some reason or

11:19

another, maybe just that typical American

11:21

brainwashing, here I am in my late

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thirties. At that time, I'm like, I just

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didn't see it as an option.

11:27

once I found myself into the trigger, it

11:29

was like, okay, I'm woken up so

11:31

to speak. I appreciate that

11:33

you were seeing it as an

11:35

option. I needed to kick in the ass to do it.

11:37

everybody has their own journey, and I

11:40

knew if I went through the process of trying to

11:42

analyze everything, it would

11:44

take months or years before I

11:46

did it. So I was like, you know, just do

11:48

it. Just go. We did and everything

11:50

worked out. It was fine. We lived there for about a

11:52

year in Estonia. while

11:54

living there, we decided we wanted to live

11:56

abroad. We didn't really know where,

11:58

but we decided we wanted to

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live abroad and

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we had traveled a lot in Europe during

12:03

the year. We lived in Estonia. We

12:05

had a house back in North Carolina. My

12:08

wife at the time, her brother just house

12:10

sit for us. He went and lived in our house. That was

12:12

all taken care of. It was fine. We decided

12:14

we wanted to live abroad, but we moved back from

12:16

a Sony after about a year. it

12:18

was just well, now we gotta

12:21

liquidate everything. So

12:23

the house, cars I had a lot

12:25

of motorcycle to I'm a big motorcycle guy

12:27

and I collected bikes. I

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had a

12:29

lot of

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stuff to get rid of.

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Let me put you to one spot.

12:34

I don't

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wanna go into why you

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have one marriage and it stops. What

12:38

I really wanna go to is

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the perspective change that

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you had when you came

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back, when you eventually make it to

12:46

Latvia, and now you're a single

12:48

guy. How much did

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your perspective change. Because, you know, I

12:52

see a lot of guys that will come into Asia.

12:54

There's nothing wrong with it, but they got their wife

12:56

next to them, or the girlfriend next to them.

12:59

It's a completely different situation as

13:01

a man to come to a

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foreign country when

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you're a single

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guy. I didn't

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go to Latvia as a single guy.

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I went with my wife and kids. We

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split in Latvia. Yeah. Right. That's what

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I'm getting at. at some point in time, you

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had the moment of like, okay, you've

13:19

got your eyes for your wife. And at some

13:21

point in time, that stops. And

13:23

now all of a sudden, you're seeing

13:25

Eastern

13:25

Europe through a different set of

13:27

eyes. Correct? Oh, I

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see what you're saying. I get what you're

13:31

saying now. It's a game changer.

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Oh, yes. we don't need to get into

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the details -- Sure. -- why my marriage

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split, of course. But I did move back to

13:39

Latvia after selling everything. We moved with

13:41

wife and kids and everything. Then

13:43

we split two

13:44

years after we moved there.

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Those points are relevant. But basically, we

13:49

split. Then it was a game

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changer. Eastern European women

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are a completely different breed.

13:55

They're amazing. Now, of course, you just

13:57

got banned off everything. I just got banned

13:59

off everything. Just off that

13:59

one sentence. joking. But I

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mean, let's really unpack that

14:04

because sometimes people might say in

14:06

this modern world of everyone being

14:08

offended and all this other kind of crap.

14:10

You

14:10

can't talk like that, you can't this, you can't

14:12

that. The

14:12

reality is is you just said a

14:15

very honest truth, a

14:17

very simple statement. If it offends

14:19

people, I know you could care one Iota

14:21

less. But damn straight,

14:24

it's true. Try

14:26

and explain that and unpack

14:28

it for both men and women.

14:30

This is a funny story. So I am now

14:32

married to a Atlassian woman. I got married

14:34

a couple years ago, but her and

14:36

I, last month, we were

14:38

traveling, and we came back to Latvia, and we

14:40

were walking on the street, and she looked at me,

14:42

and she goes, because we've been

14:44

traveling in Mexico and in the

14:46

US. And she said, look at me, she

14:48

goes, oh my god, it's so strange being

14:50

backed in Latvia because all

14:52

of the women here are beautiful and

14:55

dressed well. And I just looked at her

14:57

and I said, well, it's a competitive

14:59

game now. She just got canceled a

15:01

ban too. I mean, everyone's getting canceled in ban

15:03

for speaking the truth. Right. And

15:05

I just laughed. I said, yeah. There's a lot more

15:07

competition here, so you got to upped

15:09

your game, woman. We're

15:11

currently in the every third sentence, Bobby

15:13

is banned right now. Right. Part of the conversation.

15:16

But, yeah, that's in women. They're very

15:18

different.

15:18

I'd say

15:19

The closest thing you can imagine

15:22

is maybe an American

15:24

woman in the fifties where

15:25

they were much more traditional.

15:28

They respected the different roles between men

15:30

and women in the family and in the household.

15:33

They're not trying to compete with demand. Now

15:35

I'm not trying to be massagnostic here

15:37

and say women can't work or

15:39

anything or that. But my wife

15:41

and a laughing woman in general understand

15:44

that there is a

15:46

difference between a man and

15:48

a woman. There's funny things. We

15:50

were grilling out. She's like, you need

15:52

to do the grilling because that's man's work.

15:54

Oh, Mike. Okay. Yeah. I'll do the grilling

15:56

tonight. Which is something I would have heard in

15:58

the eighties when I was a

15:59

young teenager. That's

16:01

very normal for her. It's

16:04

very normal that she

16:05

is more traditional

16:08

in the female sense. She's very

16:10

much in touch with her femininity

16:12

But the flip side to that is she

16:15

also expects me to be a

16:17

masculine man. I can't be

16:19

I don't know how to put it. I can't

16:21

be a soft androgynous

16:24

male band number six.

16:26

Yeah. Let's put it this way. If I were a soft

16:28

androgynous male, we would

16:30

either have never gotten together or she

16:32

would leave me in a heartbeat. I really

16:33

don't like the imagery that you're leaving me with

16:35

you, like, a soft onrogynous male.

16:38

don't know what it is exactly, but it sounds

16:40

frightening. By the way, very similar

16:42

description I would give for Vietnam. And in

16:44

fact, and maybe this one gets me

16:46

banned. favorite things of Vietnamese

16:48

women in all of their

16:50

illustrious nineteen fifties nineteen

16:52

sixties thinking with a modern

16:54

twist is that you do something that

16:56

they think looks a little perhaps

16:58

androgynous or a little metro

17:00

sexual or whatever term you wanna use,

17:03

a feminine just literally looking and

17:05

say, you look gay. They

17:07

have to ban the whole country over

17:09

here for saying that, but that's a

17:11

completely normal I'm back to

17:13

the Seinfeld line, not that there's anything wrong with people

17:16

today. It is this interesting thing

17:19

that captured the attention of both

17:22

and I. My wife will

17:23

tell me in a heartbeat. I'm in a

17:25

bad mood or something or I'm being grumpy and

17:27

I'm not being what she wants me to

17:29

be or something. Just look at me and say,

17:32

hey, Don't be a pussy. She keeps

17:34

me in check too. Be

17:36

a man. If I'm not being

17:39

mass stealing enough in the moment. I'm not doing something

17:41

right. She'll call me out on it in a

17:43

heartbeat. She has a high expectation of

17:45

me being masculine. because

17:48

she's being feminine. What

17:49

percentage of American men

17:52

have any idea about what you and I

17:54

are talking about if they've not

17:56

traveled? if they've not lived abroad actually. It's more than just travel.

17:58

It's living abroad because a two week vacation

18:00

doesn't show anything. You can do

18:02

a two week vacation and check Republic

18:05

and swipe right on tender and go on a couple

18:07

of dates maybe, but that's not the same

18:09

as living living as

18:11

a local and immersing yourself in

18:13

the culture for sure. percentage

18:15

of men? I mean, it's low. It's gotta be low.

18:17

I know that because when I visit friends

18:19

in the states, they'll tell me,

18:21

like, oh, you should come

18:24

meet my girlfriend or something like that and I'm meeting

18:26

or I'm like, maybe she's

18:28

pretty or something, but it's a little

18:30

all you know you know

18:33

you know you know.

18:35

Let's say the relationship is not

18:37

properly balanced. Maybe that's a nice way of

18:39

putting relationship is out

18:41

of balance. My wife

18:42

I mean, she works, but

18:44

she doesn't think it's her role

18:46

to

18:46

provide for the family. She works because

18:48

she likes doing productive things.

18:50

But she'll tell you directly, it's not her job

18:53

to chase a career. It's not what she

18:55

does. If she were single, she'd

18:57

be chasing a career. But we're

18:59

together now We're married. She

19:01

knows we're a team. We're a partnership.

19:03

I have my role and she has her role.

19:05

She works, but it's not her job to

19:07

provide for our family and everything. That's

19:09

my role. With the amount of

19:11

propaganda thrown, for example, at

19:13

American men, I'm not so

19:15

sure what they even

19:17

think when they hear you talk. You

19:21

sound like some guy from another

19:23

world, another planet, it doesn't really

19:26

register because you're saying so many

19:28

buzzwords and sentences that are

19:30

checking off of, like, God, if I say that, I'm gonna

19:32

get banned off Twitter. If I say this, I'm gonna

19:34

get banned. whatever is gonna

19:36

happen. My theory here is, I think if

19:38

I might have said this to you before, but I think if

19:40

people had the chance to experience what

19:42

you've experienced, especially men,

19:45

and like I've experienced, they

19:47

would not leave. They would not leave

19:49

if they'd get a chance to truly

19:51

experience what you're talking about

19:53

in the flesh because you're just giving

19:55

your best description of it.

19:56

When you're immersed in it,

19:59

it's something

19:59

that every bit of your sensations

20:03

every day are completely changed.

20:05

Two

20:05

comments I'll give you here. One

20:08

is neither one of us are making a

20:10

lot of friends on this podcast for

20:12

sure. I don't know what I'm doing talking to you.

20:14

You're always troubled. Neither

20:17

one of us are making a lot of

20:19

friends on this show. I'm sure

20:21

you're gonna get some upset people on

20:23

this one, so be it. I'll give you one

20:25

more comment. And this was such a

20:28

beautiful comment I know her, but I haven't seen her in a

20:30

couple years. But as a Russian girl,

20:31

I know,

20:32

she told me one time, we

20:33

were discussing this topic. This has been years

20:36

ago, but we were discussing this topic. And

20:38

she said, why would I wanna

20:40

compete with a man? I don't

20:42

wanna be a masculine woman.

20:44

Why would I wanna compete?

20:46

She said, I'm very

20:48

feminine I'm very comfortable in my role as a

20:50

feminine woman. I don't wanna compete

20:52

with a man. I'm better than a

20:54

man anyway. And I thought it was funny

20:56

the way she said it. She was just joking

20:58

around with me. I roll, I

21:00

roll, weak, kind of thing. But it

21:02

was true also. in the

21:04

sense she want to be in competition

21:07

with a man in all the masculine

21:09

roles when she could focus on

21:13

her feminine energy and her

21:15

feminine roles and be really

21:17

powerful in what she is and

21:19

comfortable with what she is. I mean, you look at it like

21:21

this. Even in the business world, If I'm a marketing

21:23

professional, I should focus on

21:25

marketing. I shouldn't be focusing

21:27

on operations. If I'm a marketing pro, I

21:29

should focus on what I'm gonna think

21:31

it's the same way, in this case,

21:33

focus on your masculinity if you're a

21:35

man or focus on your femininity

21:37

if you're a woman. But

21:39

for clarification, just so the audience doesn't get confused.

21:41

I might have three or four wokesters

21:44

listening. Can you define what a

21:46

woman is?

21:48

I mean,

21:48

it's hard to define. It's feminine

21:51

energy. There's a physical

21:52

part too. I don't know if you need to

21:54

draw a picture

21:54

or something. I mean, there's There

21:58

are

21:58

diagrams that we

21:59

saw when you and I were youngsters

22:02

-- Right. -- going through the dumpsters,

22:04

looking at Larry Flynn's nineteen

22:06

eighties work. I do

22:11

distinctly remember the time when me

22:13

and my buddy found his dad's

22:15

stash of hustler magazines

22:17

back in the day doing our own

22:19

our research

22:20

material Let's clarify here one

22:22

thing though too, because I'm not trying to be

22:24

super cavalier nor are you. I think we're

22:26

just painting a picture for a

22:29

different culture, a different

22:31

cultural thinking, different

22:33

traditions than what is going

22:35

on in America. I mean, everybody in

22:37

America thinks what's currently happening in

22:39

America is wonderful. Not

22:40

everybody thinks this, but a lot of people think that

22:42

this is all an advancement in America, that

22:45

everything is going swimmingly. I

22:47

mean, I've got a nephew who's a freshman at college. The

22:50

first course he was taking this

22:52

summer was about trannies. You

22:54

gotta shake your head sometimes. I'm not trying to be cavalier here.

22:57

There's just distinct differences. And I

22:59

think for your story, you're a

23:02

guy, and you have one experience in

23:04

America, and I'm sure that experience is great for a long

23:06

time. Something stops, something

23:08

changes, and then all of a sudden, the

23:10

light flashes you're seeing a whole

23:12

different world. It's an amazing kind

23:14

of mid life switch to have that

23:16

light come on.

23:17

Yeah. But to rewind all the way back when you're talking

23:19

about why I moved. One of the reasons I wanted to

23:21

move abroad was so my kids could have an

23:24

experience of a different culture.

23:26

And me too. also

23:28

made to have an experience with a different culture

23:31

because I think Americans,

23:33

it's propaganda, were made to

23:35

believe that America, the US is the center of the

23:37

universe. Everything revolves around

23:39

the US and everyone wants

23:41

to be the US

23:43

the global dream is to move to America, but

23:45

that's not really the case. Culturally,

23:47

there are dramatically different

23:51

ways about how social

23:53

environments and people live their

23:55

lives around the world. When I

23:57

wanted

23:57

to see that, I feel quite

23:59

comfortable living

24:00

in Eastern Europe in general because

24:02

it suits me. Does it

24:04

suit the wokesters? Maybe not?

24:07

Maybe To be honest, I don't give a

24:09

shit suits them or not. It suits me.

24:11

If they wanna live their life, how

24:13

they want, go for it. I don't care how

24:15

other people live their life none of my

24:17

business, how you live your life. I know what suits me.

24:19

But that sounds selfish. And I'm like, yep.

24:21

It is. because I'm selfish.

24:24

there's

24:24

a lot of cool lessons in these kinds of stories

24:26

of leaving something like the

24:28

so called American dream and

24:30

then finding out when you get over

24:32

to the other side of the dream.

24:35

Well, there's a lot of dreams around this world,

24:37

not just the American

24:39

one. Right.

24:39

I don't even like to nationalize

24:41

it like that I have the bobby

24:44

dream. I don't care about the American

24:46

dream or the Latvian dream or the British

24:48

dream or the Chinese

24:50

dream or the Vietnamese dream.

24:52

I just have to bobby dream. How I wanna

24:54

live my life and what I find convenient

24:56

and comfortable and pleasing

24:59

to me. find

24:59

your own dreams. That's

25:02

about

25:02

not living in a box too. I

25:04

don't wanna live in that box. You

25:05

and I chatted about this sum

25:08

before You and I have

25:10

done this living experience, this deeper

25:12

living experience. You and I have

25:14

both had a chance to meet people

25:17

the term they're using these days is digital

25:19

nomad, which some people might like. Some people

25:21

might not like. It can be interpreted in

25:24

many ways. I think

25:26

what's interesting about you and maybe

25:28

myself as well is when you have this

25:30

deeper experience where you put some

25:32

roots down it's kind of fun

25:34

sometimes to when you start to bump

25:36

into maybe other Americans

25:38

or other Western travelers,

25:39

other English speakers, perhaps

25:42

that are also bouncing around. I think

25:44

the interesting thing for me and I said this to

25:46

you before is that your deeper

25:48

experience really

25:50

resonates to me. cool. I

25:52

respect that. There's a lot of folks

25:54

that might take the baby step of

25:56

jumping in and saying, I'm gonna go bounce

25:59

around and do a little bit of nomadic traveling

26:01

they might not ever get to your experience, not

26:04

that they need to, but there's something

26:06

to be said for jumping in with

26:09

both feet no safety net going in deep like

26:11

you did is an

26:13

entirely different experience than

26:15

doing as you refer

26:17

it, and this could be the Caribbean, this could be

26:19

South America, this could be Bali, this could be

26:21

Thailand, some of the coconut characters, the

26:24

Philippines, there's bouncing around and, you

26:26

know, people will see these YouTube videos

26:29

about how they're living with all

26:31

these salty environments and stuff. But you

26:33

didn't do that. I mean, everyone's had fun

26:35

in life. I'm trying to draw that distinction that

26:37

I think it's really interesting that people

26:39

are listening that you can

26:41

go do some traveling around. You

26:43

can go have some fun. It's quite

26:45

easy in a lot of countries around this

26:47

world. But something deeper happens

26:49

when people

26:50

go

26:51

in both

26:52

shoes like you did. There

26:54

is

26:55

definitely a range on

26:57

that digital nomad scale

26:59

I consider myself more, I

27:01

call it a slow man. I

27:03

have a home in Latvia and

27:05

I spend a few months a year here.

27:07

I've got a place in the US. I've spent some

27:10

time there. The past two years, I've

27:12

been spending a big portion of my

27:14

time in Mexico. Riviera

27:16

Mayo site. And

27:17

I'm doing a little bit of traveling

27:19

here

27:19

and there also. This year,

27:21

I've been to Denmark, I've

27:23

been to Iceland, Estonia, Lithuania.

27:27

Well, that's because I have a home

27:29

there. Several parts of Mexico.

27:31

Several parts of the US. twenty states

27:33

in the U. S. this year alone.

27:36

Germany, Turkey, I forget. I'm on the

27:38

road so much. But I consider myself

27:40

what I call Plymouth, Was that just

27:42

a post COVID choice? No, I've been doing this for

27:44

years. When COVID hit,

27:46

when restriction started coming down,

27:49

my

27:49

Anarchist mindset said,

27:51

you know what? You

27:53

don't tell me I can't travel. I actually

27:55

traveled more during COVID.

27:58

I actually increased my travel during COVID.

28:00

I don't think

28:01

I consciously made that choice, but

28:03

I just think it was my Anarchist

28:05

mindset that don't tell me what to do.

28:07

I'll travel more if you tell me

28:09

I can't travel. That's just the way I am.

28:11

It wasn't a conscious postcode

28:14

of choice. I've been traveling like

28:16

this more or less for, I don't

28:18

know, ten years or something. I

28:20

call myself a slow med. I'm dying

28:21

to go back to Tokyo. I mean, the Japan's

28:24

been closed and they're still closed. They're

28:26

publicizing that they're reopening. And

28:28

here's how the current Japanese reopening

28:30

is, you go through a

28:32

tour agent, through the

28:34

tour agent, you buy your plane ticket, you

28:36

buy your hotel, and your

28:39

food, all of this through the tour

28:41

agent, and you need Aviso to come into

28:43

Japan now. That's not open.

28:45

That's closed. That's not

28:47

an option. I wanted to bring this up earlier,

28:49

but it gets to your point about how you first came to

28:51

Europe, not having all

28:53

that planning. Because if you have

28:55

all that kind of planning, you're

28:57

gonna experience something that is

28:59

inauthentic guaranteed. Not

29:00

having the planning. It forces

29:03

you to be

29:04

flexible and and

29:06

learn things as you go and figure stuff out

29:08

as you go. It forces you to because

29:10

if you do all the planning

29:12

in advance, pre

29:15

deciding on your

29:17

course for the next six

29:19

months or twelve months. Okay. I'm gonna live

29:21

in this neighborhood. I'm gonna rent this

29:24

apartment. Okay. I'm gonna do this and this.

29:26

I'm gonna put my kids in this

29:28

school or this school or I'm gonna do this

29:30

for this. and you

29:32

predetermined all that stuff, well, I'm not

29:34

saying one is better than the other. I'm just saying what

29:36

I did to your own I'm

29:38

telling you, this is the bobby

29:40

life. I like to show up and

29:42

figure it out. Here's

29:43

the fun thing though too. Sometimes these

29:45

experiences can go a little bit awry.

29:47

remember the first time I showed up in Amsterdam,

29:49

but I showed up in Amsterdam went to some

29:51

small hotel because I didn't know where to stay. I was in

29:53

my twenties. The guy opens the door. This is the

29:55

first time I've ever been in Amsterdam, I'm trying to check

29:57

into some hotel. The guy opens the door,

29:59

the manager, and he's

30:02

dressed like an obese Rob Halford from

30:04

Judas Priest. Literally, this was his

30:06

day wear, apparently. And I realized, well,

30:09

This is not exactly the hotel I will be staying at.

30:11

But, hey, it's a funny story. So

30:14

that's the fun part about all this kind of

30:16

stuff too. You never know what's gonna

30:18

happen. had

30:18

a weird experience one time too.

30:21

I rented an apartment in

30:23

Brussels and I showed up and it turned out it

30:25

was a fucking closet in

30:27

this guy's apartment and it had one

30:29

sofa that looked really

30:31

terrible. I showed up at,

30:33

like, ten or eleven o'clock at night to

30:35

check-in. I don't have any

30:37

other ops and I'm like, you know what?

30:39

I'm gonna do this one night

30:41

here, but then I'm gonna go find

30:43

something else. And the crazy

30:45

thing is that was the sofa, the dude slept

30:47

on him. He didn't even have a bed for

30:49

himself in the apartment. And this guy

30:51

ended up when I showed up

30:53

to check-in, I'm just like, this is

30:55

sketch. This is super

30:57

sketchy. And the guy literally

30:59

grabbed a tent and a sleeping bag

31:01

when I showed up and he goes,

31:03

alright. Have a good night. I'm gonna grab my

31:05

tent my sleeping bag, and I'm just gonna go sleep

31:07

in the park tonight. I'm like,

31:10

ah okay.

31:11

oh hey would've

31:13

bailed on that one at that point in time. Apparently, you had bad

31:15

antenna at that point in time your wife.

31:17

Yeah. That one was a bad one.

31:20

Yeah. It looked nothing like the

31:22

picture. church and any of that stuff, and you just show

31:24

up well, it is what

31:25

it is. And, I mean, it was late. I showed

31:27

up late. I'm exhausted.

31:29

I just

31:30

was like, you know what? I'm just

31:33

gonna do it one night and then I'm going on. And I did.

31:35

That's what I did. I just went somewhere else. Let me

31:37

ask you a Phil saw question about, for example,

31:39

some of the European countries, speak

31:40

to the idea about

31:43

how you would learn to

31:46

care for the country, care for the

31:48

people versus a lot of

31:50

travelers who are just saying, where

31:52

is something cheap? they're just focused on the

31:54

cheap part of it. If something's inexpensive,

31:57

that's nice. I know for me

31:59

personally being where I am

31:59

right now,

32:00

there's a real feeling a real sense

32:03

of belonging community that

32:05

I've developed. And I'm sure that's

32:07

happened to you in various places in Europe

32:09

as well.

32:09

Yeah. Not only Europe, also

32:12

Mexico, Playa del Carmen, which is

32:14

a very touristy beach town, I

32:16

have a great community there. And I'm

32:18

really liked the entrepreneurial community, Implya.

32:20

Is it Mexico still

32:21

a NARCO state? What am I missing? It's

32:24

absolutely a

32:24

NARCO state. A hundred

32:27

percent. Think about this. So you

32:29

got narcos that kill other

32:31

narcos for infringing on

32:33

territory, or you've

32:35

got governments like the US

32:37

that blow up brown people intense with

32:39

million dollar missiles over oil. Is

32:41

that better? I

32:42

don't know. you got cops that

32:45

are killing people on the street selling

32:47

cigarettes in New York. I don't know. Is

32:49

that better? We also have vast majorities

32:51

of people killing each other. beyond just the cops and occasional

32:54

killings. I know something about your perspective on the

32:56

blue uniform. And I can't disagree on

32:58

some instances. America

33:00

is a pretty damn violent place to begin with right

33:02

now in the inner cities. Well,

33:03

not even inner cities. I've never had

33:05

a violent interaction in Mexico.

33:07

in Greensboro, North Carolina, I did get jumped on

33:09

the street downtown by three guys.

33:11

And what you would think is just

33:13

a small calm hometown kind of

33:16

place. I ended up in a

33:18

physical altercation with three guys in

33:20

downtown. The US is the only

33:22

place I've ever experienced violent

33:24

encounters. in public. To go back to

33:26

your point, you asked about cheap thing and all

33:28

that stuff. I personally am not a

33:30

fan of moving to

33:32

a place or spending time in a place just because of

33:35

cheap. That's not my preference.

33:37

I get why some people do

33:39

that, budget wise, and They're

33:41

a freelancer, back to your digital nomad comment.

33:44

They're what I call the coconut cowboys.

33:46

They make, like, a thousand bucks a

33:48

month they gotta go someplace cheap. We have a decent

33:50

quality of life. And I get that. It's fine.

33:52

It's a lifestyle thing. You wanna live

33:55

like that. if you're in your early twenties, that's

33:57

great. I'm not early twenties.

33:59

I make more than a thousand bucks a month.

34:01

I don't like to go places that are

34:03

super high cost of living. I

34:05

don't wanna go live in Oslo or Zurich or

34:08

Singapore, for example, because I

34:10

don't think those are any nicer than

34:12

places with a much lower

34:14

cost living. I certainly don't

34:16

wanna go to some

34:18

very low cost to living

34:20

poor country because if you go

34:22

to a poor country, and got some money.

34:24

You only have to flaunt it. It's

34:26

just obvious if you're a foreigner in

34:28

that country, you have more money

34:32

than locals. you're typically looked at as a financial

34:34

target. Maybe you get robbed, maybe you

34:36

got people trying to sell you stuff, maybe you

34:38

got people trying to

34:40

scam you, In some way, you're

34:42

It's not a comfortable feeling. I don't

34:44

wanna live like that. I like to

34:46

go places

34:47

where you have

34:48

a good bang for the buck. Eastern

34:51

Europe is where it's at. I'm

34:53

not interested living anywhere outside

34:55

of Eastern Europe. I've been asked this a

34:57

ton over the past week We

34:59

did our mastermind in Latvia, so a bunch of guys

35:01

are asking me, what other cities do you

35:03

like? For me, if I were gonna live in Eastern

35:05

Europe, I'd live in Riga, I'd live

35:08

in Valencia, or I'd live in Budapest. That would definitely be

35:10

my top three. There's others that are

35:12

fine. Like, Prague

35:14

is fine. Warsaw is

35:16

fine, but those are my top three. I

35:18

live in Riga Villeneus or

35:20

budapest because you get

35:22

a very high quality of

35:24

life for a very reasonable cost

35:27

of living, not cheap, but a

35:29

very reasonable cost of living. To bring

35:31

it

35:31

back to the violence issue just for a moment,

35:33

I would say probably one of the biggest

35:35

reasons that I'd love being in saigon.

35:37

I've just never seen anything that

35:39

looks untoward. I

35:42

thoroughly enjoy that experience of having the feeling

35:44

of no threat

35:46

looming over my head or

35:48

jumping out at me from somewhere.

35:51

I'm a big enough guy. I'll handle myself. Someone's

35:53

got a gun. Someone's got a knife.

35:55

Whatever. So I just love the idea of

35:57

and I'm curious how that

35:59

has felt for you in Eastern Europe? I mean, have you

36:01

ever seen anything or experienced anything?

36:03

No. No problem. Nothing.

36:05

Nothing.

36:06

Isn't that a fantastic

36:08

story? Everyone in America reaches this point where they

36:11

rationalize, justify, or

36:13

just pretend it's

36:15

not really happening, whether

36:17

someone is single or whether they're family, kids,

36:20

whatever, the randomness,

36:22

I grew up close to Washington DC,

36:25

back in the eighties. We did a lot of stuff that

36:27

we never should have done. The randomness could have

36:29

picked us off then. I love

36:31

when you are so affirmative where

36:33

you just say, oh, my experience with Eastern Europe? Nothing. That's

36:35

a wonderful statement. I wish

36:37

that somehow or another we could get

36:39

our shit together

36:42

in America so to speak because it's just intolerable that

36:44

we can't be exactly like what you just

36:46

described. I'll give you an example in

36:48

Regus. Even

36:48

a couple of the guys that have

36:51

been here over the past week visiting. They were

36:53

saying things like, this is crazy

36:55

how safe the city is. The things you

36:57

see that you know it's safe is

36:59

you see at one o'clock at night a

37:02

single woman walking home

37:04

by herself, a single woman,

37:06

or you see ten o'clock at

37:08

night, you see a group of

37:10

young preteen or teen kids

37:12

walking on the street ten o'clock at night.

37:14

Like, my kids I didn't have a

37:16

problem with my kids being out at night by themselves or with their friends.

37:18

Just never anything happens. It's just

37:21

never an issue. An

37:23

amazing statement on life that once

37:25

again, as we have this

37:27

conversation, that if people have

37:29

not experienced this, They can listen

37:31

to us, they can listen to our stories, but until you're on the ground and

37:34

you feel that lack

37:36

of threat, completely

37:38

entirely and it's not there, that's when it

37:41

truly makes sense what you're saying and what

37:43

I'm adding to. If you want a

37:45

big contrast,

37:45

go to, like,

37:48

downtown Los Angeles or

37:50

even Austin, Texas. San Francisco.

37:52

Your name is San Diego. Yeah.

37:55

Most of your California cities

37:58

I mean, most

37:58

of your Texas cities. Like,

37:59

I really thought, oh, Austin, Texas will be

38:02

nice. Austin, Texas is

38:04

a dump. In

38:05

theory, I don't know. haven't been used to have tent

38:07

cities of homeless people on the river.

38:09

They still haven't. Last time I was there

38:11

was two years ago, and

38:14

they did have it. Whether it's cleaned up or not, I have no

38:16

idea. I got screamed at,

38:18

yelled at, and followed on the street homeless

38:20

people and stuff walking around in

38:23

Austin. it was not a comfortable feeling. People talk

38:26

like, oh, I love Austin. What a great

38:28

city? My opinion about that

38:30

is the people that say that is they don't

38:32

know any better.

38:33

They that because they just don't

38:36

know any better. That's the point I'm trying

38:37

to make. They just don't know any better. They don't

38:40

know the experience that you're describing. They

38:42

don't know the experience that I'm

38:44

describing. They rationalize. Right. They've got

38:46

their horse blinders on. They see what they wanna

38:48

see. They see what they can

38:50

only see. human beings are kinda just like that. Look, I've

38:52

already admitted to the fact that why was I

38:54

late to figure it out? I was late to figure it

38:56

out. I should have figured it

38:58

out earlier. You make

38:59

a point about the horse blenders. I think

39:01

most humans in general are a bit

39:03

myopic anyway. We only look at our

39:06

immediate surroundings and our

39:08

immediate history. not to take this in

39:10

a too big of a tangent. But I mean, immediate history, you hear people

39:12

say things like, on the crypto

39:16

topic, this is just a

39:18

silly example, but people say, oh,

39:20

no. We could never have

39:22

cryptocurrency as a primary

39:24

use for money because we

39:26

use the dollar and that's the way it always will

39:28

be. The reality is we've only

39:30

known the dollar in its current form for

39:32

fifty years. what? Fifty one years since nineteen seventy one, Bretton woods

39:34

two. But people are so

39:36

myopic. They think, let's say, they're

39:38

forty

39:38

years old, in

39:40

their entire lifetime, this is how it's been. Therefore, this is how

39:42

it always has to be. They forget about the history

39:44

of money and how it changes and

39:47

different things happen. I

39:49

mean, that's an example about how humans are

39:51

so myopic. They don't think about

39:53

history and they don't look too far

39:55

to either direction. the fall

39:57

of two thousand two, the Nasdaq down minus

39:59

seventy seven

40:00

percent. How many people listening

40:04

right now can

40:06

imagine the Nasdaq peaked

40:08

a trough going down seventy seven percent

40:10

again. Hell, it could go down

40:12

ninety percent. Who knows? Right.

40:14

So many people right now say, oh, that can never

40:16

happen. You only have to look twenty

40:18

years ago to see the dot

40:20

com bubble tank. and blew

40:22

it up. It's not even that far back. We don't have to look

40:24

that far back in history, but people still say

40:26

shit like that can never happen. because

40:29

this the way it is. I mean

40:32

humans are myopic like that. I have

40:34

some theories on that. I think

40:36

people just don't take

40:38

time to educate themselves

40:40

and think, to be honest. I

40:42

know it's been

40:42

a weird couple of years. You took advantage of

40:45

it. I would have to say For those of

40:47

us that were based in Asia, it was a little bit harder to pull off the

40:49

travel that you described. You can't even

40:51

get into China

40:54

and even Chinese, they don't want to leave because when they come back, it's a twenty

40:56

one day quarantine. I think it's twenty one day quarantine

40:58

to get to Hong Kong right now.

41:00

That's insanity. Hong

41:02

Kong, twenty one day quarantine. What the hell? Yeah.

41:05

We have left Latvia.

41:06

So Latvia, like most of Europe,

41:08

had a pretty strict lockdown for a

41:11

while. We left Latvia. We were planning

41:14

to fly out to go somewhere

41:16

in a few weeks. This is

41:18

back I forget when this

41:20

was March twenty

41:22

twenty or something like that.

41:24

The Lathean government announced that

41:26

they were canceling all the flights out

41:28

of Riga Airport starting Monday

41:30

morning. So we bought a ticket to leave on Sunday.

41:33

We got out on the last flight

41:35

out to Istanbul on

41:38

Sunday night. and we just took not

41:40

get trapped here, so we're

41:42

out. We wouldn't exactly been

41:43

trapped anyway. I could

41:45

have just driven I have

41:47

a car. I could have just driven to another

41:50

country and did some long term parking and

41:52

flew out from somewhere else. But we're like, no.

41:54

We'll just buy a plane ticket

41:56

and leave tomorrow or the next day? Completely

41:58

unrelated. Have you seen the YouTuber Baldwin

41:59

Bankrupt? or bolland bankrupt

42:01

Baldwin Bankrupt? No. I

42:03

haven't heard of that. Anyways, a guy that did all the former

42:06

Soviet republics. Great channel.

42:08

He just actually got banned, but

42:10

he's got huge following

42:12

hundreds of hundreds and millions of views.

42:14

Really cool stuff. British guy speaks

42:16

Russian and he just goes to all the former Soviet

42:18

republics and does off the grid

42:20

type stuff. talk to regular folks. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Great stuff. You

42:22

maybe think about your perspective in a way though

42:24

too. Hey, listen today, we've

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42:28

that's by design. We just kinda

42:30

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42:32

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42:36

I want you to, at least, for those people, they kinda say,

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42:48

there's a way that someone listening that might be

42:50

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Cool.

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I'm sure some people will make

44:10

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44:12

of rough and ready, get out there and experience

44:14

it. But if people do make

44:16

a jump, there

44:17

are some basics

44:19

that have to be taken care of, so to

44:21

speak, to pull it off. If you're American,

44:23

you probably know that

44:25

internal revenue service will never make your life easy whether you live in

44:27

America or not, unfortunately. Yeah, I mean,

44:30

there's a lot of things you can do.

44:32

It's funny everybody says, all

44:34

Americans have to pay tax no

44:36

matter where they live. And that's

44:38

true. The US is what I call a tier

44:40

four country, which is a citizenship

44:42

based worldwide tax system.

44:44

However,

44:44

there are a

44:45

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44:48

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44:50

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44:52

as a digital nomad

44:54

or expat, whatever. I mean, there's

44:56

tons of opportunities. I'm

44:58

convinced those opportunities exist because you

45:00

got congressmen that don't want to close all the

45:02

loopholes. Most likely. There you go

45:05

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45:07

are looking to jump.

45:09

Give

45:09

Bobby a shout. Bobby, I appreciate

45:11

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45:14

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