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is in the house ladies and gentlemen allah

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be buddy how are you

1:02

they're good at it again for for them again

1:05

think they've been really good so i'm

1:07

seventy nine seventy nine too keen on you to the

1:09

only seen a hockey hold on it people

1:12

hardcastle haha hey

1:15

what out there are those episodes go up every

1:17

friday were big a pack guess we be youtube channel to

1:20

leave with those episodes on app and they go up the wednesday

1:23

for the five of those out so to frame

1:25

all the time

1:25

january go really in depth

1:27

and he faces last he has nothing

1:30

your nose pliers or deep death was

1:32

i'm suzanne want to get into the nitty gritty of

1:34

of cases stephanie or it's africa

1:36

yeah i'm obsessed with contacts so it's

1:39

like you have to know everything about it and

1:41

is that's what you like them think lamp

1:43

on yeah and that's why we have

1:45

are here today and we chose a case that

1:48

probably would you say this is like the most

1:50

well known to pancake at burning

1:52

is athletes have three has to be

1:54

re like madeleine mccann somebody the

1:57

carrier that yup and hello had read a real

1:59

definite up

2:00

we wanted to get back into jon benet

2:02

ramsey today because it is eradicate

2:04

came all the way from new york thank you

2:06

so much something

2:07

they were so nice here snowing

2:09

i know and and i was like all nervous that

2:11

has we got quite a bit of snow today i was nervous

2:13

that it be too close for you but you're from

2:15

usual hurts because you're just out though

2:18

we're like to feed at a time is only

2:20

like four into the why we got years with like a light

2:22

dusting compared to very pretty of

2:24

norad yeah a pretty good as his kind

2:26

of pretty own there's a powder out there

2:29

making a living in a snowplow when you're is yeah yeah

2:32

it is nice and another now the

2:34

i get i get cold though

2:36

i'm preparing i don't think driving and either i

2:39

don't i don't either

2:40

the know how to navigate suspects but

2:43

it's pretty and i yeah i'm always called

2:45

anyways you know and may have

2:47

even more colds it's better if i'm here when i

2:49

went to orlando have wifi on i went home and

2:51

i would even more

2:51

more cold than i was originally

2:53

be hurt like at me as yeah yeah yeah yeahs

2:56

like seventy degree weather in orlando or

2:58

seventy five whatever it is our home

3:00

so excited to have you here today because we

3:02

like i said we want to go for jon benet ramsey because

3:05

josh night hovered it in are very

3:07

early days apart years ago it was a

3:09

mess either goodbye before he said

3:11

they are really prepare much before

3:13

says he would candidate

3:15

personally i like podcast that are

3:17

very brief low that's what i tend to listen to

3:19

me first started podcasting we thought they're

3:22

gonna be the way we approach it but it's very hard

3:24

to plan to do that you really need structure

3:27

now

3:28

organize it in a way that makes

3:31

sense and go through it and a methodical way because

3:33

there's so much to specially this kid

3:35

yeah you really need to have

3:37

you know every bit of it research

3:39

really well to put it all together

3:41

and sort of look at it as a whole so his last

3:44

time we raised remember he had

3:45

eating things we got on ali's tangent so

3:47

we're going to meet high price to be more

3:49

organized today and seventy has

3:52

done several deep dive you done how

3:54

many videos a new channel on a just one video

3:56

my channel that one that is eric and i did add three

3:58

parter an agenda that on

4:00

ah no me how long are your episodes

4:03

two hours while now flick i'm

4:05

going to get hours of jonathan easy to sit in

4:07

a partner and caylee anthony a yeah

4:10

oh my gosh i feel like

4:12

if we had done sound than a now when

4:15

were like more comfortable of each other and you know

4:17

more comfortable of the process we it would

4:19

have been another part of that if you so

4:21

much we were talking about it before yep there's

4:23

so much in here and even just the

4:25

theories the to talk about

4:27

those theories you could talk by those for hours yep

4:30

and the the how the evidence that

4:32

we are talking about it for at least an hour over lunch

4:34

isn't a kind of starting sounds good

4:36

the logical over here today so

4:39

it's been awhile since we've had a guest on the show as

4:41

socially with are typical format of and

4:43

going back and forth so the patient

4:45

with as as a figure out you know sort

4:47

of the hours yeah it kinda yeah

4:50

it's gonna be third that

4:51

very excited to hear your thoughts on

4:53

this case it's such an upsetting

4:55

one yeah but it's such it's really

4:57

awesome with a crime i mean it's like

5:00

a with actors poor girl and means

5:03

terrific enter her lie happen and

5:05

way way too early obviously and susan

5:08

no justice so far it's

5:10

been years now and it's one of

5:12

the cases that it just seems

5:15

so crazy that it's not been solved yet

5:17

nobody's been prosecuted for

5:19

it for the murder of jon benet and with

5:21

dna testing and genetic

5:23

you know genealogy in a like we've seen

5:26

recently with builds a killer and other cases

5:28

where no they're able to solve

5:31

these cases is very little the and and still

5:33

we don't have anything nothing anything

5:35

more on jon benet and obviously there's a lot

5:37

more to that which will get into some

5:39

was unbelievable i get around the have

5:41

it in near for nothing

5:44

go and ill gas to get around

5:46

with me we're getting wonder we're

5:48

discussing that earlier today will it will it

5:51

ever actually be solved i don't think some

5:53

think don't think so either the you think so

5:56

no no i mean i think it ultimately comes down

5:58

to the dna but then there's obviously

6:00

issues with the dna and there's issues with

6:02

the control over the dna as well and

6:05

what it will actually ever make it

6:07

too they'll a lab that

6:09

isn't controlled by the police department

6:12

or my some third party or something

6:14

like that so it's hard to sometimes

6:16

cases are kind of locked

6:18

down by the parties that sort

6:20

of govern the case right and then

6:22

always does allow things

6:24

you know it seems so simple why don't we send us dna

6:26

to every lab in the country and see what

6:28

be in allow that many people

6:31

to work on as possible has as many

6:33

you know the boss who specialize in genetics

6:36

look at it and that it doesn't happen and it's

6:38

like why why why doesn't that happen

6:41

that's when you start really get into the weeds and looking

6:43

at okay well why are

6:45

they not trying as hard as possible to

6:47

solve this case

6:48

that's when you can i can even get into

6:50

some conspiracies and cover up something like that

6:52

you're like oh okay now starting

6:54

to make sense why that's still that's cold case

6:57

after all these years there's no such

6:59

a high profile case i mean it's made international

7:01

news when it happened so so i was especially

7:03

here in colorado i'm we were kids when it happened

7:06

and i just remember people starting

7:08

at all

7:09

the time every time ago the grocery store the tabloids

7:11

are just filled with them and

7:13

the i mean people were completely obsessed with

7:15

it for years and still are to this day i'm

7:18

i'm sure a lot of you guys have your own opinions

7:21

on

7:22

the have to kind of go over everything today and me autonomy

7:24

and i'm a differing opinions here and and some

7:26

different ideas of what might have

7:28

happened and so i think there's going to be

7:30

a really interesting episode i'm really looking forward to finding

7:32

such at a hearing all of our thoughts on this obviously

7:35

we're gonna start with jon benet and her background

7:37

and take a look at a sort of her

7:39

life leading up to her death so let's

7:41

go ahead and get into that but this episode

7:43

of moher podcast is actually brought to bike urology

7:46

hell fresh express vpn babel

7:48

in the pill club and more on that later let's

7:51

go ahead and dive into the background

7:53

of jon benet ramsey

7:55

okay fill at jon benet patricia

7:57

ramsey was born on august fifth and ninety

7:59

nine the in atlanta georgia to her parents

8:02

john and

8:02

happy ran the what do you think about

8:05

fact that her name is jon benet and they

8:07

use john's name last

8:09

name any yep the

8:11

middle name and that is now me as manner

8:14

the i talk about enemies is area and

8:16

i said i thought of us alone narcissistic and a lot

8:18

of like they found keyboard now

8:21

i think it is i think it as yeah it's kind

8:23

of odd specially cost ya the had a phone

8:25

from his first marriage john jr

8:28

so maybe that's just the thing that

8:30

they like to do you ivy the

8:33

it some and like bark bark

8:35

has no no yeah yeah the

8:38

yeah i was thinking about that he that

8:40

stream the first born in

8:42

the sun which is the typical wide

8:44

her than yeah what's the what's the

8:47

thinking behind that justice is used

8:49

like patrick or something from pass the argus

8:51

that's probably where they got patricia from patsy

8:55

so , middle name is her mother yeah

8:57

and birth is over here like alone

8:59

north carolina schubert of

9:03

on out themes well no

9:06

offense anybody out there who is named

9:08

after their parents who has named their kids

9:10

after their parents we're not talking about

9:12

you we love is so my guess is only as to

9:15

sell a japanese mother patricia

9:17

ak patsy and ramsey to

9:20

the former beauty pageant queen anne

9:22

this west virginia by she wasn't just

9:24

pretty face you know she's smart to see actually

9:26

got a journalism degree from wv

9:29

that's what about west virginia university

9:31

in their hands and any father

9:33

was a business man named jon benet

9:35

ramsey jan graduated from the university

9:38

of michigan and he served in the us navy

9:40

for eleven years and

9:42

diverse as a little they have an age gap between

9:44

that seems on a path he was fourteen

9:47

years younger than gone and

9:49

she was his second wife she was twenty

9:51

three when they got married in nineteen eighty

9:54

and janet had three kids from his previous

9:56

marriage john andrew bath

9:58

and melinda sadly

10:00

and ninety ninety two he thought

10:02

that were killed in a car accident at the age

10:04

of twenty kills this does get left out

10:06

a lot of times in the retelling yeah

10:09

jon benet the way because what we what we have

10:11

to realize here's a chat iran's the last

10:13

two daughters and you usually

10:15

don't see that like it's bad enough as a

10:17

parent yeah lose one child in your life and

10:20

have to bury two children everybody

10:22

out then admitted to the police

10:25

and ninety ninety seven the he cheated on his previous

10:27

life lucinda in the late seventies with one

10:29

of his secretaries and he said he regretted

10:32

that don't feel if regatta course

10:34

i really thought about it was the get caught and

10:37

john and lucinda they got divorced and nineteen

10:39

seventy eight but he reported that there was no

10:42

infidelity from either him or of

10:44

happy in their marriage of it's again

10:46

don't they always say that

10:49

so a germany his brother bird ramsey

10:51

was born in nineteen eighty seven he

10:53

was nine years old at the time of jon

10:55

benet is murder ferc was more of

10:57

an the introverted and have withdrawn child

11:00

pretty shy john started advanced

11:03

a group and nineteen eighty nine and

11:05

the company later merged with two other

11:07

companies to form access graphics

11:10

a computer service company and he became

11:12

ceo and president of that company and

11:14

the boulder chamber of commerce named him

11:16

entrepreneur of the year in nineteen ninety

11:19

six and for the could think roast one

11:21

billion dollars germany

11:23

was born in nineteen ninety and shortly

11:25

after he was born the family moved to boulder colorado

11:28

or john's work the winter and john andrew

11:30

how to rooms in the ramsey family home as well

11:33

party ramsey was really big into

11:36

the project for and she had

11:38

entered jon benet and beauty contests

11:40

ever since she was attacked when her first

11:42

hagin at four years old and one five

11:44

more over the next two years she

11:46

competed in many more as well

11:48

the would just naturally be a foreigner really charming

11:51

little girl

11:51

there are many was kind of like path he's

11:54

living dolls she's definitely

11:56

living vicariously through her daughter and her pageant

11:58

life and sometimes even somebody

12:00

here to make her look blonder

12:02

and you know she'd not that over there she looked

12:04

she could be eleven or twelve

12:06

the movement kind of creepy thing to

12:08

me and help pageantry is like your aging your

12:10

child around a a

12:12

child to look like a grown

12:14

adults

12:16

what i'm saying vp here you're

12:18

putting your child in

12:20

front of adults to be judged based

12:22

on their physical appearance and people say oh this talent

12:24

poor says okay great than don't do a physical

12:27

appearance yes take all that out just make

12:29

it a township their child they're developing

12:31

this that the scenes are developing their self confidence

12:33

in there has to do that by parading in front

12:35

of adults and getting like numbers thrown up about

12:37

how good they look so disturbing can

12:39

imagine sake the fact of

12:41

going through something like that as a kid

12:44

they'll a childhood friend of jon benet said that

12:46

once she as some bunny about all the

12:48

fancy crowned the she hadn't her room and

12:50

jonbenet explained that they were

12:52

from beauty pageants but she told the friend that they

12:54

were more like her mom's crowns

12:57

that healthy really all you need to know right

13:00

there the on really didn't like that his

13:02

daughter was competing ali's pageants that her young

13:04

age but he was so busy with work

13:06

that he let patsy manage the kid

13:09

but a pageant so many it was a normal little

13:12

girl she was kind of like a tomboy who liked

13:14

play outside get messy and read her bike

13:16

if you look at pictures of her without

13:18

makeup on she was a good different child

13:20

nora so true she looks she's

13:22

of obviously gorgeous whichever way

13:25

you look at her pussy books the completely

13:27

different house yes he rushed elite

13:29

healthy sure thing a kid that loves to play outside

13:31

and your skin me wouldn't bother her and

13:34

then the the makeup pacers you like the

13:36

he said big a little china doll alone fragile

13:38

thou the needs to be handled with care so

13:41

many was known as a kind extrovert

13:43

the and beautiful little girl and everyone was

13:45

insanely captivated by her natural

13:47

charm and great

13:49

the ram be family overall was kind of

13:51

picture perfect the kids were

13:53

attractive and well behaved the family

13:55

was wealthy john was successful

13:57

in his life was young and attractive he had

13:59

a nice have a really nice house on fifteenth

14:02

street in the upper university whole neighborhood

14:04

in boulder

14:05

the the front of the home makes the house look much smaller

14:07

than it is it is a massive home

14:09

seven thousand square feet who

14:11

decides comes from its length and height

14:14

it stretches back and upward on the lot

14:16

there four floors in this home many

14:19

his body was found in this corner of the basement

14:21

of the home her bedroom is here

14:23

on the second floor this is the

14:25

balcony out hide her bedroom in but

14:28

i do this all life it wasn't

14:30

very colorful room with wall hangings

14:32

toys stuffed animals a

14:34

bright colored bedspread this

14:36

is your buddies bathroom live use

14:38

the bathroom is the door leading directly from

14:40

her bedroom to the balcony together

14:43

some perspective zone but his bedroom

14:45

his behind and above me on

14:47

the other end

14:48

her brother books bedroom above

14:50

first bedroom is where her parents' bed

14:52

was

14:54

the news all alone and that says the house

14:56

essentially from the way i understood it the

14:59

down and happy have a the entire top

15:02

floor but their bedroom like

15:04

almost as a master sleep of death bedroom

15:06

they found one side over birth scandinavia

15:09

youngest is all the way

15:11

or the other end of that ginormous house

15:14

by herself and without balcony

15:16

the be freaked out having my camera live

15:18

alone yeah that's insane who

15:20

needs that big of a house with them with just two kids do

15:23

i know that point is while

15:25

the other older ones that come

15:26

sometimes they they're by a big the sleep on the counseling

15:28

normal be number one hundred and only the whole

15:31

sad truth is though there once a year

15:33

yarn and sister when you're done much

15:35

money me own a billion dollar company

15:38

oh is there no it wasn't like it's status to

15:40

sue for elliot it's it's awaits you

15:42

you know portray to the the world a

15:45

neighborhood that you know this is the ramseys

15:47

house at look how successful we are

15:50

in in older older so the adversarial

15:52

a kid is rich well i

15:54

mean there's areas are very wealthy very

15:56

like high class lot yeah public did in the

15:58

mountains there

16:00

yeah doubling certain community is because there's definitely

16:02

a mart sells hippie community

16:04

there as well now don't understand it or she

16:06

so young

16:08

i want my kids to be very close to me

16:10

now like my size or hope for she said

16:12

no that's how we're going to be and i say they'll freeze in bed

16:14

with us any makes me nervous when she's in her

16:16

bedroom which is just like one flight up in with

16:18

the other two kids right with her

16:20

into i like keep our close to have any other

16:23

side of the house and a balcony

16:25

off her bed and for own like bathroom

16:27

where is he that bathroom as an act the

16:29

way to happen for a little girl marble all over

16:32

of seriously she could fall cracker head

16:34

union to hear her crying you wouldn't know until

16:36

he went looking for her see replacing

16:38

status and money over having your family

16:40

close together and safe and protected center

16:43

thinks that acts that kind of games thought brace

16:45

meet you as soon as i said

16:47

i know and shannon bream really

16:50

will continue for the houses like a it's called

16:52

it's called style house so it's like very there's

16:55

multiple staircases get very chopped

16:57

up a mean against four floors meeting on our

16:59

to keep track your kids and yeah i mean didn't really

17:01

make houses with or floors

17:03

any more it's more you know you have a basement

17:06

level like and level but it's

17:08

really to stories when you think about it versus

17:10

yeah three story though that

17:12

means just that much more space and separation

17:15

between you know your children and maybe

17:17

one thing if they had like eight kids or something like they

17:19

really needed like you said seventy you'd need

17:21

all those bedrooms and that that room

17:24

again this is to two young children

17:26

in this the your house

17:27

the how big it as us daiquiri for tesla

17:30

say the your fear how the yeah i mean but

17:32

it's hard labor we have a kid the other

17:34

two like this is like who is like

17:37

the path he put a christmas tree and every

17:39

single just frills he did he

17:41

up every room was liberated all

17:43

of those rooms on all of the floors

17:46

all decorated you

17:48

don't you need a hobby yet

17:50

they only have one is classic

17:52

like housewives situation you know like of other

17:54

says that's what that's their main focus main

17:56

her life is like decorating their house having

17:58

the coolest party with family

18:01

you know how the most decorated lavish

18:03

parties and that's really important to them and

18:05

what do you when when he being said that

18:07

the notoriety jealousy from the

18:09

otherwise it's yeah probably

18:13

it's like the reminds me of the grinch

18:20

thirty are you a laker thing path

18:22

he was a housewife

18:23

lives during really elaborate parties and

18:25

socializing the house is beautifully decorated

18:28

and always an order she was

18:30

very well put together

18:31

self always had beautiful hair manicured

18:33

nails and perfect makeup let's

18:36

see what their the morning like like and

18:38

ninety ninety four ninety ninety three witnesses

18:41

a for

18:44

i think the sound cuts out for this on i

18:46

guess like most and overlays oh

18:51

so cute their

18:53

house is very early yeah yeah

18:57

everything about of a magazine that

19:01

area papua loved instagram

19:05

arrived on the entrance yep

19:07

into the wild soul i

19:11

phone

19:11

you can't just make cupcake say a kid you know you have to make

19:13

cupcakes that like house than peak

19:15

i don't have a man's the brain

19:19

my you a little barbie lamborghini or

19:24

both the i know

19:28

i really got it all in yeah the we're

19:30

all gonna cards hosted act and and with

19:32

that sounds

19:37

like john is the one recording potentially

19:39

years don't even in the see i'm guessing

19:41

he's i'm assuming he's home for christmas

19:43

for ballet hire someone to record

19:45

their christmas morning videos he knows his professional

19:48

life and video as video as java yeah

19:50

in a private a sega my good side his

19:52

axe oh yeah

19:53

their christmas greeting this is always interesting to

19:55

i'm not perfect the

19:58

the

20:01

jon benet the

20:09

other the train track around easy the train hacker

20:11

on the tree yeah they have a train going

20:14

around their tree

20:15

the classic what's up with like the gremlins

20:18

sansa sitting on the chair kremlin

20:20

san i didn't know the santa like

20:22

climbing the little latter the know in the air

20:24

those if you encounter that relax like

20:26

i'd system so weird al by this giant

20:29

fan of like the right now

20:32

we're fine been on

20:35

it running and for and when this

20:37

is john minutes

20:39

and anything without lead said as much as

20:41

done dead when dead when home sadness air

20:47

that nothing away she wasn't there so so accurate

20:49

filming that he thinks she set up a try to death the

20:51

guy that excel excel a movie but so

20:53

john is not the on christmas

20:56

china or so why he's making the money because

20:58

they add it to private planes a

21:00

vacation home in michigan and the gods

21:03

john was a pilot and he flew planes

21:05

in her a corset lead to have all

21:08

these toys so join and path

21:10

he also had gardeners nannies and housekeepers

21:12

so their monthly payroll

21:14

getting pretty big there and wanted to housekeepers

21:17

with a woman in linda hoffman happy

21:19

were diagnosed with

21:20

these for ovarian cancer ninety

21:22

ninety three and she went into remission

21:25

after treatment for that

21:26

the ninety ninety three jon benet a toilet

21:28

eating and eating habits started to worse

21:31

these wetting the bed and this drove patsy crazy

21:34

linda wrote that patty with sometimes take jon

21:36

benet in the bathroom to punish her for bedwell

21:39

i'm like why did you get so mad about bed wetting

21:42

like they have made sense of when

21:44

the she like a good point regardless of that

21:47

that kid can't help at all right yeah pretty

21:50

normal behavior

21:51

don't need a lot of brain cells to understand

21:53

the late obviously the child would not be wedding their

21:55

that if they can i'll bet they don't want to

21:57

do that and unconscious saying and you

22:00

the couldn't

22:00

stratton a child's life something

22:03

going on in the child's life and or medical

22:05

condition which i'm pretty sure adapter

22:07

leader a pediatrician later ruled out medical

22:09

reason for her urinating in the bed

22:12

so what kind of stress was this little girl going

22:14

to ruin her life

22:15

you can parents they get mad at their kids for letting the

22:17

bad i want appliances and leaders

22:19

yeah yeah need imagine all the stress

22:22

that she's going through just for the past

22:23

and i'm scared because every time she'd let the bad

22:26

she scared she's going to get in trouble for instead of having

22:28

an accepting mother who opens her arms the said

22:30

it's okay honey like the have it's all of us

22:32

in an athlete somebody

22:34

that is so the thinking about what she went through

22:36

that what her short life was actually

22:38

like

22:39

the and burke also had a problem with bed

22:42

wetting as well as equal smearing

22:44

a former housekeeper reported that once during

22:46

patsies about with cancer

22:48

burke spirit feces on the walls of the bathroom

22:51

and once linda found fecal matter the size of

22:53

a grapefruit in japanese bed and

22:55

it was unclear who species it was when

22:58

did or subsist are also apparently had issues

23:00

with bed wetting when she was a child so it's possible

23:02

that the bed wetting was a generic issue

23:04

but like seventy said most likely with

23:07

they do some sort of stress or other

23:10

they're think i'm not living in the same home vs

23:12

you look at the comedy nominated

23:14

between these three kids that pamphlet that wedding on

23:16

the parents yep i mean not with

23:18

the linda obviously but and

23:21

i think that were fed wedding is always

23:23

because of the parents obviously there's several

23:26

other factors that can contribute to that

23:28

but it's interesting to note here considering

23:30

their lifestyle exactly

23:32

let's look at a dominate medical history

23:34

here for a second phone line ninety ninety three this

23:36

was when pass he was diagnosed with cancer and

23:39

this was when the doctor noted that jon benet was

23:41

regressing and toilet and eating habits on

23:43

december thirty first ninety ninety three jon

23:45

benet was still drinking from a bottle parent

23:48

had trouble winning her off then

23:50

in september nineteen ninety four jon benet had

23:52

a bladder infection with bagnall discharged

23:55

she was diagnosed with vas unitas and given amoxicillin

23:58

germany was also having repeat the factions

24:00

and illnesses of the sinus and her symptoms

24:02

included coughing congestion fatigue

24:05

poor sleep in grouchy

24:07

ness diarrhea rashes and low appetite

24:10

the doctor suggested fifth disease

24:12

what is the common childhood illness

24:14

don't know anything about that you yeah my yes

24:16

it's disease that the it usually comes up yeah

24:18

rash yep the rest is easily the

24:20

first thing you'll notice in kids

24:23

but yeah it's all

24:25

these other symptoms though i don't i don't know that

24:29

oh boy

24:30

do they suggest that or did they the heck no

24:32

says and he he i hear a doctor

24:35

he shouldn't be subjected to sell it online

24:37

you should be telling me whether myself has the right

24:40

right maybe rated brought it up and then

24:42

they never went further yeah they never followed

24:44

up me up so sometime before october

24:46

nineteen ninety four burke apparently hit

24:48

jon benet with a golf club and

24:51

apparently this was an accident but the injury

24:53

left a scar on her cheek

24:54

in a week after the accident the family consulted

24:57

a plastic surgeon about jon

24:59

benet his injury that the time

25:01

jon benet was still wearing pull ups at night for

25:03

bed wetting okay so now we're going to jump

25:05

forward from nineteen ninety four to

25:07

now nineteen ninety six on christmas

25:09

morning when the murder happened

25:12

but before we get into that we're going to take a quick break and

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on christmas morning ninety ninety six

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the ramsey family opened presence at

26:21

that around five or six

26:23

pm the ramseys they want to our

26:25

family farms that like the have a family friends priscilla

26:28

and fleet white they've been there for a christmas

26:30

party the both a kid and you

26:32

know it as a pretty normal party and

26:35

jon benet and birth played with the

26:37

whites children and we priscilla

26:40

john and patsy they said around talking

26:42

like a normal the party

26:44

ram he returned home from the white christmas

26:46

party that around ten pm they

26:48

put the kids to that shortly after

26:50

then patsy and journalists bad at around

26:53

ten thirty pm know it's funny because this small

26:55

detail does pop up constantly

26:57

were some sources like and

26:59

i think it's john if retelling of it

27:02

he told some people later

27:03

that have been he fell asleep in the car

27:05

and he he carried her in input are too bad but he told

27:08

other a play on other sources said

27:10

she was a week they went into bad he

27:12

got hurt ready for bed and read her a bedtime story

27:14

before coming downstairs so i know it's something small

27:17

but it does so a slight inconsistency

27:20

in the retelling of what happened that night yeah especially

27:23

this is your

27:23

last night with your child you'd think you'd remember

27:25

it you are really good yeah

27:27

work admitted that he had sniffed downstairs to

27:29

play with his toys that night he told

27:31

this huge after fill in the leader

27:33

infamous interview and it's unknown

27:35

when the returned to his room some

27:38

point between eight pm and eleven pm that

27:40

night jon benet had eaten some pineapple

27:43

from the rams the house and it'll it also

27:45

this is another thing because there was pineapple

27:47

the rams the house there are enough a

27:49

pineapple fleet white believed

27:51

in the fruit cocktail they had served at

27:53

their house for christmas so what's the and it's

27:55

kind of

27:56

not really clear where she eat

27:58

the pineapple but we do know that later

28:01

when you when he found that it's in her stomach

28:03

and not very lol digested so i set up and

28:05

quickly before him like recently

28:07

yeah and that was the favorite snack of their to

28:10

buy a pedophile and melt yeah definitely birth birth

28:12

loved his pineapple nope some random

28:14

and never heard of that before but honestly sons and

28:16

ago some medical investigators

28:18

appointed that the pineapple would have been consumed

28:21

one and a half to two hours he

28:23

wrote the strength of and help

28:25

and the pineapple was matched by investigators

28:28

to a bowl of pineapple found in the ramsey

28:30

kitchen

28:31

though when they are that up the next morning it

28:33

was still a bowl of pineapple on

28:35

the counter and there was also a glass of like ice

28:37

tea and so whoever had

28:40

even the night before and it's still unclear

28:42

who had he in the pineapple than a before

28:45

the library that just cannot left it there

28:47

which to me doesn't suggest it was one of the

28:49

adults me up a civic pride know

28:51

or they put it in the dishwasher or some yet when

28:53

they raised their with the you know them i'm

28:55

all people

28:56

the not me i would definitely leave at the counter

28:59

all night or maybe they are used to depleting says

29:01

out because the how many are normally takes care of

29:03

inches high off for christmas the

29:05

as possible here's the thing is there something

29:08

that you did wonder about because they didn't get

29:10

the full story i guess they didn't talk

29:12

to police yeah afterwards they'll need them wait

29:14

for me the by that time the even their recollections

29:17

of that night the i be so foggy which is

29:19

understandable

29:21

point between eleven pm and around twelve

29:23

midnight that night zamboni suffered

29:25

a massive blow to her head between

29:27

twelve am and one an jon

29:29

benet was sexually assaulted and

29:31

it's estimated that december know died due

29:34

to strangulation and around the

29:36

family were pointed at the except through the

29:38

night and time said that he took melatonin

29:41

they're nice nobody in the house reported

29:43

hearing any disturbances nobody heard any screams

29:46

but once again as we've already covered

29:48

that money is on the opposite side

29:50

of the house from all her other family

29:53

and i think it is it would be probably

29:55

more impactful if we could go to that house and walkthrough

29:57

let to show you that it's that it's

29:59

it's big any would it's quite a hike

30:01

from one end to the other so you'll be there is something

30:03

had happened the probably one of her death

30:06

yeah that's a good point so how are things

30:08

that happen from what i remember path he wakes up

30:11

they're going to michigan and to their

30:13

house their him she loved that

30:15

has to misconceives most lovely place in the world

30:17

they're taking cigna private plane you

30:20

may see i'm on a lan what a life exactly

30:23

it wants to go through airport security come on ah

30:25

that would be nice so she gets up and

30:27

she actually trust in the same

30:29

clothes seat had on the night before according to

30:31

patsy she had had enough this pair of

30:33

black velvet parents and the red letters

30:35

you kind of put them over the bathtub before

30:37

she went to bed the night for she woke up put those same

30:39

clothes and mother's to staircases

30:42

in this has right

30:43

one fair teeth ethic and main staircase

30:46

and then there's a spiral one the pilot the back

30:48

stairs and this was the one that party

30:50

would always take to go downstairs in the morning

30:52

because it led to the kitchen and that was the

30:54

first thing she would do in the morning make coffee so

30:56

path he's gone down the file staircase to make

30:59

the coffee and badly she claims she saw

31:01

unknown

31:02

the stairs and she's like to

31:04

buy this note and it was addressed to john

31:06

ramsey apache said initially see

31:08

thought that this might have been a note from their housekeeper

31:11

who had off or christmas yeah apparently

31:13

the housekeeper had asked to borrow some money

31:16

i just the past week and so past

31:18

he thought well maybe this is it on notes down telling

31:21

him when the money's coming or maybe this is the money

31:23

so she opened it he found

31:25

this ransom the out and that's when

31:27

he woke up sounds john go

31:29

check sand that a thrill i

31:32

don't want to go check zamboni israel that

31:34

money wasn't there but berkeley still in his room

31:36

sleeping soundly hoarding

31:38

care appearance

31:40

what i mean also we have grown and like these

31:42

people to so many different story

31:44

he went in for their first police interview rate and

31:47

they talked to the police like the day that

31:49

that zamboni business saying they have and then

31:51

when they went for their next one month later

31:54

they actually asked for a copy

31:56

of their initial reports the

31:58

the police so that they

32:00

know what they had said initially so that their stories

32:02

wouldn't change that much and that's

32:04

i think of a suspicious i was very

32:06

suspicious yeah so this is especially

32:09

long ransom know that fairly longest the

32:11

note i've ever seen in my life but it's very

32:13

important to escape barium player and but it's and

32:15

three sheets of paper says somebody's

32:17

sit the times writer and non three seats

32:20

and raper and them their home to

32:22

with a bunch of details that's that's really

32:24

not need it right or says

32:26

mr ramsey listen carefully

32:29

we are a group of individuals that rappers

32:31

a small for infection

32:33

we do respect your business but not

32:36

the country that there

32:38

this time we have your daughter in our possessions

32:40

see a safe and unharmed and if

32:42

you want her to see ninety ninety seven you must

32:45

follow our instructions to the

32:47

letter

32:48

you will withdraw hundred and eighteen thousand

32:50

dollars from your account a hundred thousand dollars

32:52

will be in one hundred dollar bills and the remaining

32:54

eighteen thousand and twenty dollar bills make

32:57

sure that you bring an adequate sized a test

32:59

seats the think when you get home you will put

33:01

the money and about

33:02

on paper bag i will call you between

33:04

eight and ten am tomorrow to and statue

33:06

and deliver a deliberate all the advice the

33:09

drive you to be we said if we manage

33:11

are you getting the money early in my call you

33:13

early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money

33:15

and hands in earlier delivery pick

33:18

up of your daughter any deviation

33:20

amount sessions will result in the immediate execution

33:22

of your data he will all

33:24

the be denied her remains or proper burial

33:26

the two gentlemen watching of your data to not

33:28

particularly like you saw

33:30

i view that to provoke them speaking

33:32

to anyone about your situation such

33:34

as police as the i etc will

33:37

result in her daughter being beheaded if

33:39

we catch you talking to a stray dogs she dies

33:42

if you alone think authorities he dies

33:44

if the money isn't any remarked or tampered with

33:46

he dies you will be scanned for electronic

33:49

devices and a family or found see guys

33:51

you can try to deceive us to be warned that we're

33:53

familiar with law enforcement countermeasures in

33:55

tactics you send a ninety nine

33:57

percent chance of killing your daughter if you tried

34:00

to outsmart us follow instructions

34:02

and you sandy one hundred percent chance of getting her

34:04

back

34:05

during your family or under constant scrutiny

34:07

as well as the authorities don't try to grow brains

34:10

you not the only fat cat around you don't think

34:12

that killing will be difficult don't underestimate

34:15

us can use that said southern common sense

34:17

of yours it's up to you now john and

34:19

then it's signed victory as

34:22

the t v help

34:24

my to unpack yeah

34:25

a lot but the wildest ransom

34:27

note i've ever heard it is that selling

34:30

thing the first thing that jumps out to me

34:32

is the actor say

34:35

the yeah it's like had such had random word

34:37

to throw in there enough like french origin

34:41

at an hour and clearly bag yeah

34:44

the trying to me it seemed like there are a foreign faction

34:47

yeah and why and what world is like a

34:50

the and or and faction

34:52

the napping people out of the know i love won't

34:54

let world movies yeah movies

34:57

which whoever wrote this and i did a

34:59

lot of them by movies yep and

35:01

ransom had just come out ransom with no guessing

35:03

humid system the point a map and yeah something

35:06

like that for sure

35:07

but i mean this doesn't make a lot of sense like the time

35:10

i'm with you know the amount of money will talk about that

35:12

later they said

35:14

i will call you between eight ten am tomorrow to

35:16

stress and delivery with an exhausting

35:19

i buy you the well rested one

35:21

will be the the pill had a little

35:23

last after the entire family lives to

35:25

sleep

35:27

yeah we're cell phone how are the how are they gonna

35:29

get the money by a to any

35:31

how are they expecting them to be well rested

35:33

or up your follow the instructions of being well rested

35:35

when they're not even gonna get the letter until they wake

35:37

up now it up a good point

35:40

that's extremely weird and

35:42

then he gets his lovers reading the letter

35:45

we're a small for and fashioned but they go back and forth

35:47

between saying follow our instructions and follow

35:49

my instructions they go back and forth between talking

35:51

like in a group and talking in an individual

35:54

which lets me know that this is no group this is an individual

35:56

who just keeps forgetting they're supposed to be part of a group

35:59

and what had before the action or at

36:01

lake you know professional group

36:03

would be writing this in home

36:05

in a day and asking for only a hundred

36:08

and eighteen thousand dollars yeah which

36:10

is there any going wrong a troubling amount you'd

36:12

be trying to get as much money from john as possible

36:15

yeah you know he's got a lot of that bigger

36:17

like you said you know his his business

36:19

earnings that's all public knowledge threat

36:21

that you don't know exactly how much is in his bank account

36:24

but if you do the math you figure he's

36:26

selling millions yeah he's got at least

36:28

a few male that he could spare me know hundred thousand

36:30

for him would be like teams as pertains

36:33

to him so heavy personal banker told

36:36

the police earlier like a hundred

36:38

and eighteen thousand dollars is dollars drop compared

36:40

to what right on ramsey as in the bank yup why

36:42

go to such great lengths to kidnap

36:44

his daughter

36:46

four hundred thousand dollars or just doesn't doesn't

36:48

add up at all know the make any logical

36:50

sense from a like even

36:52

a criminals perspective like why would you go

36:55

the such great risk one

36:58

hundred thousand dollars when you know

37:01

if you're smart that this guy has millions

37:03

of dollars yeah it doesn't make a lot of sense plus

37:05

it's such a specific number and we know that the

37:08

exact number of the around it my

37:10

candidate is bonus yeah yeah exactly

37:12

and like you said stephanie with the the movie

37:14

references i mean it just seems like we

37:17

catch you talking to a stray dog he's a final

37:19

four for like a boy who even with solheim

37:22

thing like that

37:22

if we get a dick tracy can i think you're

37:24

here and yeah cats are targeting l a gangster

37:27

movie harlem and is

37:29

odd and on the last paragraph

37:32

the quakers personal attacks and of like

37:35

don't try to grow brains yeah and you know don't

37:37

respect shadow the could also at how we

37:39

are say that doesn't mean all foreign fashioned there's that talking

37:41

like that now using that type of like

37:43

thing and then use

37:45

that good how their and common

37:47

sense of us so somebody know he's from

37:50

atlanta i'm like yeah that's probably publicly available

37:53

and amount of bonus wasn't publicly avail

37:55

know and was it and it's pretty creative

37:57

lee written in else having to rush

38:00

no while the family the sleep in your in house

38:02

it doesn't make any sense

38:04

get it powering genuine no

38:08

probably somebody was like how would

38:10

like a gangster murderer foreign

38:13

fastened top

38:14

the map cartoonish like exaggerated

38:16

way possible factly with it sounds like a real

38:19

foreign fashion who's like legit enough

38:21

canning you for electronic devices in modern

38:23

just make your leg and they're gonna

38:25

write like three sentences we other daughter we

38:27

want a hundred eighty thousand dollars

38:29

they do it and i know right that shit in advance

38:31

and even a do it at their house the day or that makes

38:33

no sense anathema leave a letter they usually call

38:36

and get a kill we gotta in order to the

38:38

point is in a letter hand written on top of

38:40

that yet handwritten this

38:42

is business not

38:43

the no twenty twenty deal but it's nineteen ninety

38:46

plus sex a

38:48

and computers and typewriters and yeah

38:50

and the asking for

38:52

one hundred thousand and hundred dollar bills but then

38:54

the remaining eighteen thousand and twenty articles what

38:57

what does that even mean no reason to do that that's

38:59

just like so extra to put that in

39:01

and that it's unbelievable like it's

39:03

is completely unbelievable no

39:05

makes no sense whatsoever

39:08

one thing and that's why you know we were

39:10

talking about series earlier knows like i could folly

39:12

down the path of any theory but the snow will always

39:15

come back to me and be the one thing that sticks out

39:17

and prevents any from just really

39:19

thinking like some

39:21

random like murder

39:23

the random pedophile yeah there

39:25

are gonna do this they don't care that's that

39:27

all right yeah their goal favorite

39:29

he completed that right i completely agree

39:31

so path he ran up to germany's room after

39:34

she found the know and saw that she

39:36

was gone and of course he started panicking

39:38

a screaming as any mother would then she

39:40

checked on burke who apparently hadn't been

39:42

woken up by her screaming and randy

39:45

said that he continued to sleep in his room while his

39:47

mother went back downstairs work

39:49

on the other hand says that he woke up to his mom running

39:51

around the room saying where's my baby and

39:54

he did not leave his room after she

39:56

left though he was awake at that

39:58

point then we know the doctor

40:00

phil interview the can't

40:02

you got your focus is really high on

40:04

that copyright but the pretty interesting

40:07

interview you haven't seen it it's pretty

40:09

telling so let me

40:11

ask you as a question about the compare if

40:15

you know like that the know thanks

40:17

do not comment on a regular your daughter are

40:19

you calling nine one one

40:21

very ah you know how the in how they really think

40:23

of know i'm thinking about it for a while before

40:25

i just jump on the phone and my first thought

40:27

would be to the time

40:28

probably have a second thought you know number season

40:31

with your heart and at least right yeah so

40:33

no that's true at least i the i

40:35

would i would go to josh and be like what should we do

40:37

yeah so look at said hi could you can i

40:39

am nine on scott happy

40:41

woke up a little bit afterthought the

40:44

is enough time to the know

40:47

run around screaming bursts anniversary home

40:49

realize japanese out there in have a conversation

40:51

with john about whether and i think it's a good idea to

40:53

called

40:53

we've even though the people sat there and kill your kid is

40:55

it is he dead yeah it's pretty fast

40:58

that november the in very quickly

41:02

then if you think about it you

41:04

nine o'clock like they said they're gonna fall between eight

41:06

and socially there's

41:08

it's there's it's sort of window where you like okay

41:10

like i don't want to take my chances let's see this

41:13

call comes let's see what they want and

41:15

then a as if nothing happened the or they're

41:17

messing with me then i'm up in the authorities

41:19

yeah that's a really good point okay let

41:21

go ahead and play the nine on one pounds i

41:23

don't know

41:30

how does your daughter or

41:38

your name

42:00

what's your name of

42:09

the philadelphia

42:12

zoo or

42:16

money

42:39

with i'm going to be fair to path he like i've wanted to

42:41

i pod nine on on before and it is a little annoying

42:43

because they keep asking you questions and they're not

42:45

very vocal sometimes that they've already sent

42:47

authorities your weight so you're thinking like

42:50

you keep everyone get any snow helps and way

42:52

they should say like oh he had sent somebody

42:54

out but i just have more questions for you know

42:57

so we've just lean on someone's coming so

43:00

i want to hang up on and nine or on operators

43:02

before sometimes his i'm like right now i need to

43:04

deal with this situation here someone's on a got away

43:06

you're keeping me from doing other things yeah of course

43:08

your brains moving so fast that i've

43:10

heard on so many different i'm on calls and some people

43:12

will say i've sent health now

43:14

yeah no let me keep asking the question that i said

43:16

be the thing it's weird she didn't like

43:19

it grows more information about the ransom note

43:21

so weird like assay the

43:23

say anything but that it's signed

43:25

by it as btc yeah

43:27

and at the end let's say yes it's

43:31

you wouldn't fail to mention that they are gonna kill

43:33

my daughter

43:34

yeah it's a dirty but i don't know if they don't

43:36

get their money by either nathan a lot like all the police

43:38

right yeah yeah exactly why would you be like you

43:41

more are not be like you guys new get here

43:43

now cause in or

43:45

anything else besides what she says she's like

43:47

help me help me

43:48

i agree i don't know this is nitpicking but i also

43:50

those strange that she said i just found be

43:52

ransom note yeah that a thing

43:54

a ransom note i found a ransom

43:57

know and it's three pages long run your sales

43:59

trade center eight over

44:01

in very weird

44:04

it's weird the he animal is this just

44:07

i think at one point she said i'm dead child

44:09

the mother or some yeah yeah yep

44:11

thats the personalization that in a language

44:14

is very weird lay i agree your

44:16

child methane emissions a couple she says

44:18

she said she's blonde here is rena

44:20

he's not asking about that he needs know that

44:22

somebody kidnapped your daughter i was gonna kill her

44:24

if i don't feel really you are didn't deal

44:26

at what than hopes and into

44:28

him

44:29

that that's if i'd seen that

44:31

she didn't really ask nicely that she thought

44:33

oh right yeah yeah but to axe

44:35

to think that you're not now you know

44:38

my daughter with the thing i would not hang

44:40

out know yeah at all and strange

44:43

what hear the enhanced version seeking

44:45

here what happened after she

44:47

thinks that she hung up that the

44:59

her what did you do is said by an adult

45:01

voice what'd you find set by a child's

45:03

play the i mean i think without doubt even

45:05

if he goes here with your that your

45:07

ear

45:08

what it actually actually being said it's a child's

45:10

voice of one hundred and it's a child's different

45:13

pitch for ferry yeah thought so higher pitched

45:15

voice

45:16

what i'm just trying wrap my head around

45:18

who's like why are they saying they

45:20

don't speak i can speak to you

45:23

like who are they saying that the thing it's a burke

45:25

because allegedly if we're

45:27

you know this is just that

45:29

balling licensing us what happened if

45:32

they had come down

45:34

now i found a ransom ladder but instead found

45:36

their daughter dad yeah now

45:39

they're going as saida birth he

45:41

do it now and he's like already

45:43

where did you sign before i tell you what i did

45:46

what did you find and when i think i did the

45:48

now so i i guess i

45:50

mean i think so the bit of an under reaction like

45:52

when i'm speaking t the young man's yeah yeah

45:54

kind of that this is a weird thing that safely

45:57

yeah i don't it's hard to figure out the context of that

45:59

because they do if we

46:01

the an ugly be staged all that they would have

46:03

already written the ransom note found her

46:06

they'd day why would they

46:08

be a witness

46:10

an hour why would

46:12

they be kind of the my god yes

46:15

why would they be saying what did you

46:17

do the say rt they

46:19

don't limit

46:20

they had that what did you will marry me it's just

46:22

calm down at that point and they may not

46:24

have written

46:25

anything yet i don't know but in it was more than one on

46:27

you'd hope they'd already got written as that's tuna

46:29

could be what did you do referring to

46:31

anything not necessarily what did you do too

46:34

today i didn't i do you do you

46:39

but am i mean either way we can

46:41

tell from the call is if we believe this is

46:43

barks voice on the line and i think it

46:45

it is somebody's child really does sound like

46:48

a child he wasn't and badly things nelson

46:50

not down there and why is that was

46:52

the truth did they not be honest

46:54

about that uh-huh and of course it's hard to

46:56

judge someone's emotions and how they act

46:58

and

46:59

their behaviors purpose obviously

47:01

so young the in the doctor phil interview so many

47:03

people point out how are his behavior was he seems

47:05

to be smiling a lot i'm like

47:07

he's uncomfortable because he knows

47:10

he thought telling the full story

47:12

yeah and people say know he has some

47:14

sort of like getting some people funny the as as burgers

47:17

or he like on the spectrum possible we don't

47:19

know that the and i think that refill

47:21

said

47:21

he's a very awkward that's

47:24

possible we

47:26

don't know that then

47:28

patsy

47:29

the must immediately call some family

47:32

friends over including the whites he then

47:34

right after she called

47:35

which is probably one the most baffling

47:37

thing as a said i can say gonna like

47:40

i figured out the call with the nine one operator

47:42

your amelie coin friends and having them come over

47:45

the all knowing that you have a

47:47

crime scene at your house and your

47:49

nine and your ransom later told you not to call

47:51

anybody yeah and you call that everybody

47:54

they don't have to have some crazy technologies

47:56

be monitoring you anyone sitting outside the house

47:58

could see that you call them you know

48:00

for what reason why do you want all your friends

48:02

around in this time this is us as family times

48:05

the time to be together the family why

48:07

would your mind even go there to think of that in

48:09

that moment patsy man yeah needed

48:11

integrated into the lineup with her behavior

48:13

or her that's the way that she wants her personality

48:16

because they tried so hard to portray

48:18

the perfect family in their time of

48:20

distress when they're freaking out

48:22

why would they want to have all their friends come and see them like

48:24

that sympathy petty

48:27

oh her manga telling syndrome you know lady

48:30

maybe it's the media yeah

48:32

i mean they get plant you think about what you said earlier

48:35

that you're willing to somebody alone that

48:37

i totally and and the way that

48:40

that parents who who have the munchausen

48:42

by proxy and everything

48:43

it will do their children now zamboni

48:45

said said this is patty the last hurrah to

48:47

get some attention from her and whether

48:49

it's negative attention or positive

48:52

balance in especially they were involved

48:54

and not actually the

48:57

fat as someone who it's

48:59

just not covering all of this would be

49:02

that made any and few yeah yeah pay

49:04

say us to the crime scene yeah yeah

49:07

that's a good it had been strategic the

49:09

everything's ramsey said less strategic they were

49:12

not done it seems that way

49:14

what it i mean if they wrote the ransom

49:16

note that was pretty dumb how

49:18

are you like that is like the plague that

49:21

that's just what i don't i'll kill the

49:23

for me as like if they're this smart

49:25

that there the know orchestrating

49:27

this whole thing why on

49:29

earth right a ransom note like that

49:31

or even write a ransom note at all

49:33

like i just they may not have

49:35

been thinking

49:36

very clearly if this was a cover up

49:38

for an early what they weren't thing you very clearly

49:40

still have the phone off the hook done that

49:42

though they don't make sure that the hang up

49:44

like so clearly there is turmoil

49:46

going on is patty

49:48

when the phone on you know how phones was a kind of loosely

49:51

hang off the hook which is clearly happen

49:53

though it's it's like there's clearly commotion going

49:55

on she's being pulled away from the phone

49:57

so even though they're smart people i think is

50:00

was a cover up of some sort

50:02

that they wouldn't have been thinking that clearly someone

50:04

was around animals read the plan

50:06

or in a column and on leaving you will need i

50:09

believe in earlier and night are

50:12

there when it was done

50:13

i don't think the whole i woke up the

50:15

address went down to the coffee because we have their also

50:17

singled out as path he whole face

50:20

mobile

50:21

yeah movies that make up when apparently

50:23

they are that yeah so you'll either put on

50:25

makeup that morning or you never went

50:27

to sleep right in the us from the night for because

50:29

you're still wearing the clothes you wore the night before

50:32

seen on one sleep and if you're just getting a private

50:34

plane literally no one seems right like you i

50:36

know you're putting on makeup know

50:38

they are seen as well it's either going to be at the house the please

50:40

can we at the has yeah yeah

50:42

interesting as you just never went to sleep and i foresee

50:44

thought or make up and from when they read their fleets christmas

50:47

party and her clothes still break that was

50:49

to be the type of woman to not take her make a bath

50:51

and

50:52

you know already their seats if she didn't go to sleep

50:54

because like we don't they said they went to sleep but

50:56

we have no idea what did iraq as

50:59

from

51:00

you know the time they got home from the whites

51:02

till the next what we have no idea what actually

51:04

happened that night we just have what the what

51:06

they've said the a lot

51:08

that's a lotta time for

51:11

all this to go down hover up thank exactly

51:13

for them to sort of some of the other in bright

51:15

the know

51:16

right knee that's why it sounds like it's coming from

51:18

two different personalities because needed a collaboratively

51:21

me dinner together and yeah i mean it is

51:23

a stupid thing

51:25

more people do stupid things sometimes especially

51:27

under pressure and you come down your daughter's bed or

51:29

you accidentally hurt her

51:31

to the point where she died and you're thinking

51:33

we display know how do we hate feeling that

51:35

this child's dead in our whole while some outside

51:38

intruder came in and at that any they're

51:40

really gonna try make that believable maybe you're gonna go

51:43

over the top with it go too far

51:45

and make this to details like

51:48

a movie did you think about it they they

51:50

had this main character and i can impact

51:52

the or as they definitely do they thought they were super

51:55

importance they were super influential everybody

51:58

want to be like them for their doesn't have some run of them

52:00

no criminal running take their daughter them

52:02

for infection from a different points for either

52:04

so important that such a good point

52:06

that definitely makes a lot of sense

52:08

for why they would want the right the

52:10

labyrinth note has their egos are so

52:13

huge and as your ego

52:15

goes up yourself away like him that's

52:17

true true it really does make a lot of sense

52:19

when you think about it

52:21

a criminal psych a foreign fashioned

52:23

we gotta look for in fashion after

52:26

us here was especially our loses

52:28

yeah it's it's really i'm just keep thinking i'm like

52:30

trying to put myself in there you

52:33

know their mindset their brain all

52:35

the going down it's really disheartened it's like you

52:38

did have something extremely traumatic

52:40

happen

52:41

and again we haven't even gotten into like the

52:44

motive or why is dominate

52:46

dead in the first place but if your daughter

52:48

had just died whether it was an accidental

52:51

or we meditate or whatever

52:53

it was like

52:55

just the mind state that you're in that you sit down

52:58

in you're trying to concoct a plan that

53:01

this was a kidnapping the ransom

53:03

know and i'm just trying to wrap my head around why

53:05

they went to such great lengths

53:07

to sort of concoct story

53:10

and i and i get the ego thing i get the ego

53:12

of or we don't want to some

53:14

you know run a neighborhood sex offender

53:17

to but you know pregnant but we want to elaborate

53:19

this to make it seem like it's much bigger it's

53:23

hard it's like i guess i

53:25

know if it were me and and if i were writing

53:27

this know i would have done something that would have been

53:30

completely no

53:32

way to trace it back on carrying on very simple

53:34

like why they make it so traceable to

53:36

them when everything is it

53:39

it seem like they went to great lengths and everything

53:41

else to make it seem

53:42

i don't think i'm getting my all time to think about it in their

53:44

pressured and freaking out under

53:47

the last yeah yeah that makes you stupid

53:49

thing

53:50

you can't call the police and say on germany's

53:52

dad we have no idea what happened

53:54

that are some sort of alternate theory exactly

53:57

and apparently is this was theirs

54:00

i'm if that's what happened like right

54:02

right exactly not saying that

54:04

it did happen because we don't know what happened

54:07

six am a police officer finally

54:09

arrives at the ramseys residents it's offs are

54:11

friends and when he gets

54:14

there he knows that patsy is visibly upset

54:16

that there is nasr there at her house

54:19

and at this point again is considering

54:21

that we didn't hear burke that

54:23

phone call this was when burke

54:26

supposedly was woken up by an officers flashlight

54:28

being signed into his room

54:31

and one of the first thing that they wanted to do was

54:33

get back out of the house and this as

54:35

i guess why they had family friends come over

54:37

said they could get burke out of their softly

54:39

actually took park back to the white

54:41

house where family friends of actually watch

54:44

and apparently burke was confusing crying

54:47

as he left the house almost right away

54:49

that the i was notified of a potential kidnapping

54:52

and since they believe that jon benet have been abducted

54:54

they focused or search outside of

54:56

the ramsey home the boy said

54:58

in earnest

54:59

the third of the ramseys house and officer french

55:01

search the basement try to open the cellar door

55:03

but it was either locked or jan were

55:06

you able to figured out in a in your research when i was

55:08

locked or jammed

55:09

i'm getting a champ a salad or as

55:11

such a big pointing out that into and i know i've never

55:13

been able to figure that has any clinic get and basically

55:16

so he was looking for a possible path that

55:18

the kidnapper had used not jon

55:20

benet herself so that's probably why

55:23

they just

55:23

the door like that at first to they assume

55:25

she's been to actually kidnapped yeah is

55:28

worth the residents detective linda

55:30

aren't arrived at the crime scene at about eight

55:32

a m and police then topped

55:34

the brandt the ramseys phone lines as well as

55:37

the ransom notes and between eight and ten

55:39

every phone call so they're hoping that they're gonna build a record

55:42

however the kidnappers are as

55:44

you know talking about the money or the exchange or however

55:46

this whole thing was going to go down and they also

55:49

noted that john and his posse

55:51

were unusually

55:53

this is linda he wrote a huge

55:56

long report on this they were just distant like

55:58

they did not say one word to each other

56:00

while the prefer their path he was with like

56:02

her friends being comforted you know the center of

56:04

attention and john was like opening

56:07

mail at that toner and

56:09

he was like in his office making phone

56:11

calls in a furlough

56:13

trolling around i really feel and he was

56:15

like making jokes with police officer

56:17

it's kind of were saying in south very lighthearted

56:19

and you'd think they'd want to be together and supporter

56:21

through this that that way the on begin

56:23

the process of arranging the ransom money right

56:26

away and the kidnappers never called

56:28

the rain the to give them further instructions

56:30

or plan and exchange

56:32

and if is another think went as as said the

56:34

time came in one

56:36

what was it eight to ten yeah she said ten o'clock

56:38

came and went and now one person in that house

56:40

looked up and was like oh so now

56:42

and hannah when we do hannah when we i do something

56:44

the time came in one

56:46

we think are be urgency for with know they'd be

56:48

didn't not make any

56:50

their behavior really doesn't match up with thinking

56:52

that there is this her thing out there

56:54

that are ready to collect the money

56:56

and they have their dog

56:57

come up like they knew and no one was and

56:59

a call for the what's price unknown it

57:01

almost like and i could i mean

57:03

in my mind i'd be like or maybe the kidnappers

57:06

think actually called the police are they actually know

57:08

maybe they're watching my how they think that can

57:10

be freaking out right i'd be freaking i beat

57:12

france sick that could that's what the

57:14

virus that way

57:16

they could be had my daughter be like yeah

57:19

has eat any and losing a panic

57:21

yeah but to for john and them to be connelly

57:23

completely doing our own thing i really worry

57:26

not even talking to investigators or any

57:28

sense of urgency at all is not

57:30

there at all

57:31

the right from the beginning f b i agent

57:34

ron walker was sent the ransom

57:36

know and he immediately thought it was a red

57:38

herring he believed the kidnapping was saved

57:40

by the family and that the note was created to

57:42

sell the story then clearly

57:45

were kind of leaning that way as well seems

57:47

like most people you

57:49

know fall into that eerie

57:51

helping anyone on whether the ransom note though

57:53

it's like

57:54

i don't think anyone believes the thrill i've never i've never

57:56

met anyone or seen anything on line

57:59

the the boy like this ramp definitely yeah

58:02

we got to figure out who this s p p c for

58:04

definitely no one has ever heard of that the f

58:06

b i know on as btc was

58:08

even possibly stand for he reminds

58:10

me like the roman saying like as pq

58:12

are kind and yell that these

58:14

the headlines like had to against us at

58:17

the if needed yeah yeah early

58:20

victories people have like gone to great lengths

58:22

to the like the cold there is down and

58:24

oh totally like nothing

58:27

that point agent walker call detective

58:29

aren't and told her to keep watch over everyone

58:32

in the family and make sure they didn't leave walker

58:34

believe that they would find jon benet

58:37

said and they did

58:39

the ram new and detected aren't called

58:41

walker back and told him dead zone had disappeared

58:43

for about ninety minutes and a cent of

58:45

laughed when the aren't alone with isn't

58:47

not only with the family but with all the friends

58:49

the past or was there any other people

58:51

all in and out and i guess with

58:53

christmas later sure it's fast so they're like you say

58:55

here in babysat young for she can't keep an

58:58

eye on everyone at at once and that

59:00

wasn't very fair to her so generally

59:02

disappear for ninety minutes when he came back his

59:04

behavior

59:05

significantly he was agitated and

59:07

he didn't want to talk to anybody can

59:09

claim that he had gone to his study but

59:11

i never confirmed

59:13

walker told aren't to keep them busy

59:15

by having and help search the so

59:17

the show around one pm detective orange

59:19

because i guess at this point john ramsey like pacing

59:22

and in your and she's like hey

59:24

you could really help us out search the house

59:26

from top from top

59:28

that's why were they

59:30

do wire literally

59:32

john ramsey and the family

59:34

friends not out of the house yet

59:36

exactly why are they helping the flip

59:38

this is also

59:40

an area where there's not crime this

59:42

is the first murder it was december now

59:44

and it was the first murder that it happened so this was not

59:46

a police forces as you stand line crime scenes

59:49

and ah

59:50

what am i come off like basic knowledge still

59:52

that i would think if you're to some active especially

59:55

that is like detective one a one i

59:57

like get it like protect the crime scene

59:59

protect

1:00:00

evidence at least tapered off bring people outside

1:00:02

let's keep this i busy and have him help but

1:00:04

no it's have one have it comes father

1:00:06

search the house top to bottom i was super

1:00:09

super story was

1:00:10

the work so the police had already search the house and

1:00:12

japanese room was taped off so they really don't

1:00:14

go in her well enough but

1:00:16

he didn't search the house from top from top

1:00:18

went right to the basement right a million

1:00:21

hillary when he grabbed his body fleet

1:00:23

way

1:00:24

then he went right to the basement and be searched

1:00:26

the basement for about a minute before jan open

1:00:28

to sell door the one that had been previously jammed

1:00:31

or lot damn it's

1:00:33

weird the way that this happened according

1:00:35

to flee

1:00:37

karen open the salary they called it the wine cellar

1:00:39

fully open the door and immediately cynically

1:00:41

open door he said i found her and

1:00:43

then he turn the light on it seems that he was anxious

1:00:46

to find her and her up for and

1:00:48

it's and the i

1:00:50

found her then you turn on this is like

1:00:52

a windowless room and it's gonna be dark

1:00:54

so unless there was a good deal amount of light flooding

1:00:56

and from the hallway how would you know that you had

1:00:58

found her and her body was

1:01:00

right right with my entire yeah

1:01:02

and we're talking about are entering or yeah

1:01:04

the debate upon what are we watching listening

1:01:07

the name of the documentary or what really happens

1:01:09

dominate the newer one radio the i

1:01:12

came out i hadn't i hadn't

1:01:14

seen it and the surprised to hear

1:01:16

him say that he was happy at first

1:01:18

when he found her he's like obviously

1:01:20

i quickly realized us in of

1:01:22

she was dead and i was upset i

1:01:25

thought it was so strange that heathen said i was hot they

1:01:27

did to find her when she was laying on the floor

1:01:29

under this blanket i

1:01:32

mean is changed even say

1:01:34

their choice of that for her one

1:01:37

bunny was found in this basement hello

1:01:40

the elite a wasn't able to be open before

1:01:42

but now was opened the season there any found it before

1:01:44

eternal at on

1:01:45

the with covered in her favorite white blanket her

1:01:47

wrists were bound above her head with a

1:01:49

white cord and there was duct tape

1:01:52

over her mouth is awesome florida

1:01:54

wrapped around her neck that had been tied around

1:01:56

a paint brush handle so this is a

1:01:58

garage essentially

1:02:00

something that paintbrush handle basically gives

1:02:02

the person more leverage and the ability

1:02:04

to pull that tighter and harder

1:02:07

then offer do it slowly it's

1:02:09

really it's really tool torture janet

1:02:12

knelt next huge underneath body

1:02:14

he touched her cheek and then he removed

1:02:17

the duct tape and he tried to untie

1:02:19

her wrists and then he screams he

1:02:21

picked her up and bro

1:02:22

her upstairs and lead her on the floor

1:02:24

so this is obviously awful because

1:02:27

of contamination of the crime scene

1:02:29

you're when you're on a floor right at the front it was

1:02:31

the front carpet where you come in where

1:02:33

people have tried walking that is that day

1:02:35

but

1:02:36

the are forever and now all this

1:02:39

dna could be potentially getting on

1:02:41

her that has nothing to do with the crime scene

1:02:43

why didn't he the prepare us another

1:02:45

year

1:02:46

from upstairs ya there are other thing right

1:02:48

yeah

1:02:50

yeah i did that are not cross his head it all

1:02:52

like the oh my god my daughter was murdered

1:02:54

therefore i want to catch the person that murdered hurts

1:02:56

i should probably just step away from

1:02:59

the body go upstairs and please

1:03:01

come down here and actually investigate

1:03:03

the scene down here and here how often you

1:03:05

ever hear of stuff like that when

1:03:08

the police are in the home

1:03:10

the attic up a body move it yeah yeah

1:03:12

nah it's not very often at all

1:03:14

mean the fact that they weren't at least accompany

1:03:17

him

1:03:18

today than it is so strange will

1:03:20

because they thought the house had been checked the latest think

1:03:22

you're gonna find anything right as i think even though

1:03:24

be here but it apparently he made a beeline

1:03:26

for that salah yeah yeah that's

1:03:29

very clear that likely the store

1:03:31

with lot then if you're looking at

1:03:33

it from

1:03:34

the person perspective that we are likely john

1:03:36

locked the door and an unlocked the

1:03:39

i'm like i'm just thing i'm like why why

1:03:42

not just like come and find

1:03:44

her down there why

1:03:46

locket

1:03:47

maybe he was already they were hoping to go with the kidnapping

1:03:49

plan for a long as

1:03:51

you know might let that go in and find a place to hide

1:03:53

the body maybe allegedly is this what have

1:03:55

we are seeing it as were just theorizing yeah

1:03:57

but if you did badly least once

1:04:00

it could be a missing child you don't

1:04:02

want the body found you're gonna let the police

1:04:04

common do their thing and then go out and look for go

1:04:06

leave the house to look for her then

1:04:08

you figure out

1:04:09

the thing for the ab they intended for

1:04:11

the place to find her when they didn't

1:04:13

so they were pressured him and go do

1:04:16

or who founded by telling if if that

1:04:18

were the case then why didn't they move why did

1:04:20

they get her body all the house during the night why

1:04:23

even leave her down there in the

1:04:25

cellar yeah

1:04:27

like why not join could have easily gotten

1:04:29

her body out of the house probably far

1:04:31

away from the how far even if either i may call

1:04:33

that next morning and again we don't know exactly

1:04:36

when jon benet in actually died or how that

1:04:38

went down by i'm just thinking like

1:04:41

why we for in the cellar when you

1:04:43

could probably get her far away before the

1:04:45

cops even arrived but again they probably didn't clean

1:04:47

out a dollar room and there's

1:04:49

no evidence

1:04:50

are you a neighbor is were like yeah we saw john leave

1:04:52

at like three thirty am on on christmas

1:04:55

night you know and like alvarez said that know

1:04:57

the man sees trying again the way of your crime

1:04:59

the his well i mean yeah wait till they

1:05:01

they could really am

1:05:02

they could have made me the i don't know where their cell phones back

1:05:05

then like to see if you've lasker tools

1:05:07

are things like that yeah

1:05:09

probably they felt like keeping an internal

1:05:12

was the best way to like ebola the

1:05:14

about plant yeah at

1:05:16

the good point what i've always thought that was he'll

1:05:19

add that the police didn't ask him to on

1:05:21

like that door ray because even if they can

1:05:23

you could help and they should have the police really likely

1:05:25

it is inside openness yeah we needed openness

1:05:27

sarah because the killer could still be in the house

1:05:30

right is it more aware of the home we definitely

1:05:32

the home the girl

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that weird this house yeah they can we have gone in

1:05:35

and locked himself in there just waiting for everybody to go

1:05:37

back upstairs and he to come out and get away or go

1:05:39

on a murdering spree lakes and then they send a

1:05:41

the number down there to check it really bad police work

1:05:43

he actually owning owning them who it's like

1:05:45

the police officers go and they immediately judge

1:05:49

the family environment that there and like this rich family

1:05:51

you know there's some at some of that going on

1:05:53

to i'm sure that they're like more things that will that take

1:05:55

their word for it because you guys are the

1:05:58

theme three it out the michael

1:06:00

together the ever run locker immediately

1:06:02

thought that parents had please as the

1:06:04

i hear that the i'm in he don't care about the ramseys

1:06:07

failure

1:06:08

by the weird thing as decisive linda aren't

1:06:10

see

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the really gone hard that he

1:06:13

believes the ramsey said so damn bring his zamboni

1:06:15

upstairs laser

1:06:17

our best and the on blend

1:06:19

aren't was like he does that back you know when she said

1:06:21

that there was a point when they're both nearing in front of japanese

1:06:23

body and jam looked up and she looked

1:06:25

up and they met the late mad eyes via

1:06:27

a c

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monaco i feel for her to her service

1:06:31

revolver and he like mentally counted

1:06:33

the rounds he had in there for she said she still

1:06:35

believes

1:06:36

the breeder the killer was still in the house so that

1:06:38

says she doesn't come i don't say that that implies

1:06:41

that he thinks that somebody in the family that

1:06:43

at and that's why he felt afraid because at this

1:06:45

point

1:06:46

the crime have been discovered is not a kidnapping

1:06:49

right now and he's looking to her

1:06:51

and she's looking to him and they are both like okay we

1:06:53

know that and as we looked

1:06:55

at each other i remember and

1:06:57

war shoulder holster

1:06:59

hugging my gun right next

1:07:01

to me and consciously counting i've got

1:07:03

eighteen bullets why did she do that because

1:07:05

i didn't know if we'd all be alive episode

1:07:08

i said everything made sense in that instance

1:07:11

and thus i knew what happened

1:07:14

to think you're fearless was founded you

1:07:16

bet i do have no doubt him a month

1:07:19

to this day never wavered you

1:07:21

the afraid because he that the killer was still in

1:07:23

the house

1:07:24

i know it absolutely

1:07:27

hello i'm definitely hinting that she

1:07:31

in the his your ebbing

1:07:33

see them looks kind of afraid recall

1:07:35

yeah yeah him fight together very

1:07:37

traumatic said as she left her alone snow

1:07:39

other pops and obviously bringing that up right

1:07:42

after saying that they locked eyes they're

1:07:45

pretty obvious who she's my signify like the killer

1:07:48

how the ram he then went to a friend's house or

1:07:50

burke was john told burke that his

1:07:52

sister was in heaven in birth began to sob

1:07:54

but there's other stuff that that happened before this

1:07:57

second there are an ad

1:07:59

to get a private plane to co to atlanta

1:08:02

the awake within an hour after finding

1:08:04

his daughters that body he's on the phone telling

1:08:06

the pilot to get the the private plane

1:08:08

gassed up in along going to michigan been

1:08:11

to atlanta notably to like this we

1:08:14

break no i'm talking about and

1:08:16

down leader they

1:08:18

asked like what what did you

1:08:20

need to do at what did you

1:08:21

go to atlanta for you the guy had a very importantly business

1:08:23

meeting

1:08:25

come on dude i mean that just

1:08:27

that is a sudden more and harder than finding

1:08:29

the killer of your daughter

1:08:30

if we know i know know who

1:08:33

who would do that and way the my

1:08:35

been hearing about that or remember that the even had

1:08:37

a fucking business meeting the knesset going on it

1:08:39

makes no sense at all as ramsay

1:08:41

i mean either these are very cold hearted people

1:08:44

that are just like all of our business and all about money

1:08:46

and everything comes second which could be

1:08:48

blur his a bigger house and snow

1:08:51

and we have remembered that john in and path you originally

1:08:54

from atlanta

1:08:55

though they're at their lawyer was in atlanta

1:08:57

as well so i mean at this point and it's smart

1:09:00

i think everyone deserves to be represented

1:09:03

they're they're probably like yoda in a think it's off

1:09:05

that we need to get a lawyer and israel quack yeah

1:09:07

we need to get out of here to and away from the

1:09:09

police

1:09:11

dominates autopsy was completed the next

1:09:13

day and this is what it said the

1:09:16

blond hair was in to pony tails he's

1:09:18

wearing a small goldring gold bracelets

1:09:20

and a gold cross necklace the

1:09:22

heart was drawn in the palm of her hand and read

1:09:25

in and who's wearing a long sleeve white

1:09:27

shirt with a silver sequencer on the front

1:09:29

that had dried mucus which is likely from her

1:09:31

nose or mouth on the sleep

1:09:33

the war matching long underwear

1:09:35

and why underwear with roses and the word

1:09:37

wednesday embroidered on them

1:09:39

multiple injuries including abrasions on the side

1:09:41

of her face between her ear and job

1:09:43

the twin marks on her lower back that looked like

1:09:46

she had been prodded with something

1:09:48

he kill hemorrhages in her eyes which is blood

1:09:50

from burst blood vessels from death by

1:09:52

strangulation

1:09:54

there is massive skull fracture along with bleeding

1:09:56

and bruising on her brain like

1:09:58

we're tying her wrist together why

1:10:00

cord wrapped around her neck double not it around

1:10:02

a wooden stick to make a garage

1:10:04

the girl was made from a broken handle

1:10:07

of one as patties paint brushes

1:10:09

yeah i think talk about that for a second how i mean

1:10:11

what are the chances that someone breaks

1:10:14

and increase the weapon inside the house that

1:10:17

is so strange occurrences someone breaks

1:10:19

right that rants about the up inside that mean all

1:10:21

that just like dad goldilocks

1:10:24

and three little bears you know in florida eat

1:10:26

at urbana weep an area that

1:10:29

they take on that risky louis we're going there to do

1:10:31

that

1:10:32

you will get better prepared i thank you yeah i

1:10:34

think the paintbrush thing

1:10:36

the like my thing was the garage was

1:10:38

one of the things that really created

1:10:41

than thou initially around

1:10:43

the parents to them

1:10:45

oh and i mean that's like a torture device him

1:10:47

in that's definitely not something i

1:10:50

mean it's sort of you could rig of if you know how to do

1:10:52

it but it's like

1:10:53

why would you know why want to believe that parents

1:10:55

and never right hip about doing right exactly

1:10:58

but then i started thinking about him like well john was

1:11:00

in the military he's in the navy and i bet

1:11:02

you anything they taught him how did i had

1:11:04

a certainly to in austin the navy so

1:11:06

you know your type thirty knots around the actual

1:11:09

the the brought in order to get

1:11:11

it too actually if you

1:11:13

you know put so much force on it that's not gonna just

1:11:16

anti untie him so he

1:11:18

would have the knowledge in order to make

1:11:20

this garage and likely may have made

1:11:22

rots before and me we don't know also

1:11:24

according to the autopsy there were finger nail marks above

1:11:27

the legged chair which likely meant that jon

1:11:29

benet had been fighting for her life cause i she's

1:11:31

been strangled suits digging her fingernails

1:11:33

and to her neck in order to try and pull the league it's her

1:11:35

away from her neck as increases heartbreaking

1:11:38

to think about streamlining i feel

1:11:40

sick her bladder was empty urine and blood

1:11:42

were found in her underwear in the blood was mixed

1:11:44

with was small amounts of unidentified male dna

1:11:47

the dna also appeared on the waistband of

1:11:49

her underwear a cute basil trauma

1:11:52

or inflammation and entry of the hymen

1:11:54

there is chronic vaginal trauma is well

1:11:56

on digested pineapple stoner stomach

1:11:59

and reporting the that jon benet had suffered

1:12:01

a massive blow to the head with a heavy object

1:12:03

and that she didn't subsequently died of

1:12:05

suffocation due to strangulation

1:12:08

you had chronic their shells hammer what does

1:12:10

that imply yeah i

1:12:12

should be a long time yeah and

1:12:14

especially think long term it

1:12:17

really makes you think family member

1:12:20

really not

1:12:22

even gone but

1:12:23

right yeah male fear that was around often

1:12:26

i mean feat they always had the friends with them

1:12:28

too

1:12:29

they had parties they had all sorts of people

1:12:32

come into their house a very social yeah

1:12:34

there were not exactly sure if it

1:12:37

was the strangulation that came first

1:12:39

or the bloat her head but

1:12:41

she was likely knocked unconscious by

1:12:43

the blow to her head and it may have caused bring

1:12:45

that then strangulation shut down

1:12:48

the rest of the body and killed her ablow

1:12:50

would have eventually been fatal if it was

1:12:52

left untreated but the strangulation

1:12:54

as web probably ultimately killed her

1:12:57

and we were talking and just now about the

1:13:00

other the talk of hurt

1:13:02

pulling at the ligachev and

1:13:04

we'll see have any of the that if she was

1:13:08

mm yeah the unconscious obviously

1:13:10

you're not can build a pulitzer at the looters

1:13:12

but i think i think what happened was

1:13:14

in this is

1:13:15

there's like intention around exactly what happened

1:13:18

i mean there's other sources and documentaries

1:13:20

out there that said yeah the blows like killed

1:13:22

her my thing the murder weapon

1:13:25

was the garage and that was and we're going

1:13:27

to be the weapon that killed her but because

1:13:29

she was fighting

1:13:31

so much because we know that because your finger

1:13:33

nail marks around her neck where she's point

1:13:35

where the ligachev that the densely whoever

1:13:37

killed her than hitter over the head in

1:13:40

order to render her unconscious and

1:13:45

was just absolutely horrific

1:13:47

the doctors medical opinions and unanimously

1:13:49

agree that germany had suffered a cute that

1:13:51

on trauma before she was killed on the twenty sixth

1:13:54

and most doctors agree that some money had suffered

1:13:56

prior for inaccessible trauma and

1:13:59

is that indicate that they had been a victim of

1:14:01

sexual

1:14:04

the clarify the ramseys legal team

1:14:06

has claimed that somebody was not sexually

1:14:08

abused by obviously it's

1:14:10

it's hard to dispute medical the evidence

1:14:13

or they have actually did so it's

1:14:15

very clear that she was the likely

1:14:17

that somebody had wet the bed that night

1:14:19

or just let herself when she

1:14:21

was killed given that her underwear

1:14:24

and long johns were soaked with your there

1:14:26

wasn't anything found in a bad that had happened

1:14:28

when she passed in my somebody sees the

1:14:30

he's and was down and i'll laugh at

1:14:32

that seems unlikely they're play wow thing panties ever

1:14:34

made a button or like the

1:14:37

good point at first indicator thought

1:14:39

the back marks were from a stun gun

1:14:41

it's also possible that they came from a piece

1:14:43

of toy train tracks which line up perfectly

1:14:46

with the mark and it was probably

1:14:48

used to prod her

1:14:50

there's really right disappeared at now the only

1:14:52

to see those tomorrow because

1:14:55

i think it was the people who are kind

1:14:57

of leaning towards burke did at a who

1:14:59

come up with the train tracks thing yeah i'm

1:15:01

and then it was decisively snare who said

1:15:04

he believed elsewhere from a stun gun but berkeley

1:15:06

that like a big to a train

1:15:07

that in the basement and

1:15:09

you know better than he was found in the

1:15:11

basement the he did say that

1:15:13

of to play the toy that

1:15:15

night

1:15:16

he didn't know anyone that's a bad so that's definitely

1:15:19

a strange if he was playing with his the toy

1:15:21

train sad them

1:15:23

i mean i'm pretty forceful though that's my thing

1:15:25

is like even with a toy like you'd

1:15:28

have to push pretty hard to get like

1:15:31

that why next few years they said

1:15:33

that

1:15:33

in a series the one that we're watching the

1:15:36

yeah the video young one yes he

1:15:38

said that maybe he did it like a kid

1:15:40

would do it after she had seal fallen

1:15:42

and or he had hit her with something to crack her head

1:15:44

and they she fell and he was poking

1:15:47

her with it to see if she was alive to see if he to

1:15:49

get like a yeah reaction prominent

1:15:51

have more than once

1:15:53

the i mean why would there be what like

1:15:55

so specific and that amount like the looks like

1:15:57

martin just hold it there yeah not

1:15:59

enough the desperate nano the difference between void

1:16:02

train

1:16:02

dr martin like a stun gun near

1:16:05

it really does look like the center we should be able to

1:16:07

more distant

1:16:07

they did i was the forensic experts on of

1:16:09

we feel are more definitively say what that

1:16:11

as yeah yeah

1:16:14

the car the crime scene goes one of the windows in the basement

1:16:16

had been broken and john said this is likely

1:16:19

an accident that he had broken the basement

1:16:21

window that summer working or after

1:16:23

he lost his keys and the window

1:16:25

didn't get six because he seemed patsy would

1:16:27

take care of it there were also cobwebs

1:16:29

in the window sill that hadn't been disturbed

1:16:32

so the foot been lot of basically broken

1:16:34

and open for quite awhile blow

1:16:36

the window with the cobwebs they also notes that there is

1:16:38

that mark on the wall and then blow that mark

1:16:40

was that blue samsonite suitcase

1:16:43

that the family claims was not there before

1:16:46

or else your thigh investigators executed a search

1:16:48

warrant on the house on the day of the twenty six

1:16:50

and near jon benet bad they found a pair of

1:16:52

long johns that contained fecal

1:16:54

matter the longer believed to be

1:16:57

burke's but it's unclear of who exactly

1:16:59

believe that they were birds the out

1:17:01

of am pt smeared on candy inside

1:17:03

a canny box jon benet got as a christmas

1:17:05

presents given that the families activities

1:17:07

are corroborated on christmas day until

1:17:10

after they returned from the whites the

1:17:12

smearing incident would have likely happen after

1:17:14

the ramseys return home that night

1:17:17

according to the lead child abuse examiner for

1:17:19

boulder county holly smith most

1:17:21

of the underwear in germany's dresser drawers had

1:17:23

been soiled with fecal matter

1:17:25

the had said before that jon benet had

1:17:28

issues with wiping fully wait

1:17:30

the underway in her drawers happy comment

1:17:32

on

1:17:33

my current fecal matter or was the

1:17:35

lead with holly's that able to determine that ahead once

1:17:37

then

1:17:39

i know matter i think it was once

1:17:41

like you know like stain or just light

1:17:43

stain or says he could tell that had i want right

1:17:45

i wasn't right for backing the no

1:17:48

the no think it was like after has been washers

1:17:50

still run into will stain leftover

1:17:53

because he had issues with wiping i guess but

1:17:55

germany's room as the only one that was initially blocked

1:17:57

off to prevent crime scene contamination

1:18:00

the meantime that day multiple people including

1:18:02

friends victim advocates the families pastor

1:18:04

and other police officers are walking in

1:18:06

an hour the house constantly such as happening

1:18:09

the entire rest of the house

1:18:12

you're cleaning parts of the kitchen even and moving things

1:18:14

around before germany's body was found

1:18:16

was potentially destroyed crucial evidence

1:18:19

i moved nominees body from the basement to the

1:18:21

upstairs level disturbing critical forensic

1:18:23

evidence which made the scene even more

1:18:25

contaminated the thinking okay

1:18:27

the murder and not a kidnapping the case

1:18:30

jurisdiction fall back on the border police

1:18:32

department and the f b i offered to help

1:18:34

the border police department investigation but

1:18:36

they declined the offer which restraints

1:18:40

like wife you actually e this lot

1:18:42

like hometown advantage like we dont need the

1:18:44

federal government how

1:18:47

, unqualified they were for this help

1:18:51

experts to us imagine like

1:18:53

we dont know thats

1:18:56

point fb a take to our josh we

1:18:58

nobody will get murdered here but since it happened

1:19:01

he says like we're saying builder is it generally

1:19:03

safe town

1:19:04

there is normally about one murder years

1:19:07

that they really aren't equipped to handle cases of this

1:19:09

side

1:19:10

they eventually did except

1:19:12

f b i help the next day would you have

1:19:14

to remember to mean this this case blew

1:19:16

up almost immediately like there is reporters

1:19:18

all over the place literally that

1:19:20

next morning and that made international news

1:19:22

i mean jon benet sees as pageant girl and

1:19:25

it just went crazy viral for the

1:19:27

time

1:19:28

and the baby was treating the ramseys as

1:19:30

if they were victims rather than suspects were not the bat

1:19:32

which is strange because the know

1:19:34

in most cases family is involved

1:19:36

in you think their brains that automatically go towards that

1:19:39

the da's office had basically told them to

1:19:41

treat the ramseys with kid gloves

1:19:44

the go easy on them and not press on

1:19:46

any questions that they couldn't answer

1:19:48

them strange why

1:19:51

why would they as are well

1:19:53

known wealthy and in one

1:19:55

so in town so i mean they

1:19:57

don't want a beef with like the most well known

1:19:59

pop they're here in town that doesn't go or

1:20:01

their labor other doctor

1:20:03

that play he didn't have ramsey donated

1:20:05

to the bp deal not that i was thinking

1:20:08

the very well could have i mean there there are tied

1:20:10

into the chamber of commerce and everything else though

1:20:13

i mean you'd have to think that they probably had connections

1:20:16

so the department in some way

1:20:18

i guarantee you they were like annual donors

1:20:20

very big time casual donors

1:20:22

what i mean that's just my opinion allegedly

1:20:24

i don't know he's kid gloves on the sam

1:20:26

the her daughter was murdered inside their home

1:20:29

seriously it's so strange that

1:20:31

might have been

1:20:32

cause we're thing that ramsey's were well known

1:20:34

or i just thought sorry to jump in but i just

1:20:36

thought on your point stephanie that perhaps

1:20:39

or you know boulder county sheriff the shares

1:20:42

political position

1:20:43

with an account maybe john ramsey was

1:20:45

a donor in the political party

1:20:47

political parties paul the guy

1:20:50

called the big guy yeah right

1:20:52

merry widow and upset or donors are is the like

1:20:54

their the family didn't do anything wrong right

1:20:56

yeah definitely some of that going on

1:20:58

it's always money it always comes down to money doesn't always

1:21:01

have you know there's a has a website

1:21:03

boulder police department it has like google reviews

1:21:06

dartmouth oh boy to start as i didn't

1:21:09

even know you could do then and when it's

1:21:11

looking down and it says all about like how bad

1:21:13

they didn't

1:21:14

the in a frenzy oh really

1:21:16

and they're at wow i mean if one

1:21:18

of their biggest cases i mean that are the only

1:21:20

thing they've messed up on him in the hamster a lot of

1:21:22

issues and recent

1:21:23

the reason they they've had racial issues

1:21:26

in the past minutes definitely

1:21:28

not known as the

1:21:29

stellar police department and by any means i say

1:21:32

very an integrated area

1:21:34

near lake super diverse no

1:21:36

no

1:21:37

the tape totally turned into a battle that

1:21:40

he goes between the border police department as

1:21:42

the eye and da's office we question

1:21:44

the family briefly after jon benet was found

1:21:46

and the family were obviously very upset

1:21:49

the family the turned over hair

1:21:51

and dna samples

1:21:53

none of the dna that was found in gun

1:21:55

bunnies underwear mast for

1:21:57

our gallery and the and or

1:22:00

even now my can be tested john ramsey

1:22:02

the older kids from his other marriage is unmatched

1:22:04

am either one

1:22:06

dns germany arrange for infection

1:22:09

for in an accent until late

1:22:11

burke was interviewed briefly by police at

1:22:13

the whites that day and he saw a

1:22:16

child psychologist also thirteen day

1:22:18

later in an interview with decide

1:22:20

get it back behavior was odd

1:22:22

i mean it's odd most of the time they

1:22:24

estimate his statements seem like they were kind

1:22:26

of coached people

1:22:30

her

1:22:33

the probably hear you know whether

1:22:39

other prisoners healthy

1:22:42

any news or at things changed a lot

1:22:48

yeah we got snow

1:22:51

, have not done done

1:22:54

what about your parents appearances

1:22:59

to live with us

1:23:02

to super casual have their say so casual

1:23:05

are basically just

1:23:08

yeah it's weird way it happened the

1:23:13

new

1:23:15

why i am now ryan

1:23:22

that

1:23:24

in the be any different i

1:23:27

am from someone he

1:23:30

time at home from that have to get in

1:23:36

maybe you can i felt never

1:23:42

reviewer wouldn't

1:23:46

have to tell you that this that this i

1:23:49

guess want more

1:23:51

house you

1:23:54

you know simply renounces

1:23:58

media the know

1:24:01

breathing because a man are

1:24:04

you doing with now for

1:24:06

advantages we had

1:24:09

the eerie area ,

1:24:11

have had planted planted

1:24:15

great many the size of size forces

1:24:21

have enough for processes

1:24:23

your doors

1:24:25

right

1:24:32

right it

1:24:40

where do you accept that human

1:24:48

that that yeah

1:24:54

one

1:24:58

more time a up a felon

1:25:01

so basically

1:25:09

work is drying out his family

1:25:11

but he only draws out his mom and dad

1:25:14

and himself and he never draws jon benet

1:25:16

yeah he seems to nine have an emotion about her

1:25:18

death eater it's incredibly strange to focus

1:25:21

the her the acceptance really fast

1:25:23

there isn't he really that i burst

1:25:25

into tears the bananas

1:25:27

go out my life yeah it was interview

1:25:30

that anna had me leaning towards

1:25:32

the idea that burke originally

1:25:34

attack during it was you know he was

1:25:37

posted by the parents to cover it up i've

1:25:39

since kind of wavered from nap

1:25:41

that had always been the theory that made most sense to

1:25:43

me and beginning over her injuries are so intense

1:25:46

and another child had done them that

1:25:48

interview strange really

1:25:50

really weird i mean is clearly uncomfortable to

1:25:52

him and he can see him fidgeting you can see him i put

1:25:55

the game on his head fine deftly having

1:25:57

on filed war i mean just from

1:25:59

his movements the kind of erotic i

1:26:01

mean what do you think it i see nodding over there

1:26:04

i personally don't

1:26:05

in good as whereas some people deal on

1:26:08

because er no not that i

1:26:10

interviewed her to this extent by have

1:26:12

worked as a cancer with kids before and when

1:26:14

you talk about family topic the la

1:26:16

times they get kind of weird the and

1:26:19

see say get very very anti

1:26:21

time the feds think that i don't really think is weird

1:26:23

on as he has been at yeah i wrote

1:26:25

about the nice thing like maybe they say have girl

1:26:27

he knows a hammer and weird i

1:26:29

think definitely some parts that are weird

1:26:32

however i don't know if it's necessarily enough

1:26:34

for the i'd album for sure he's

1:26:36

more concise because of that you naughty mean isn't

1:26:39

so are now i mean parents

1:26:41

held that's not a very long it you know clip videogame

1:26:43

from people you know and love for you so desensitized

1:26:46

to violence

1:26:47

that the in reference to his his little

1:26:49

sister

1:26:51

i could see like ali and only the in a my

1:26:53

video game they like saved him and the knife whether you're talking

1:26:55

about the certain that he also could be like

1:26:58

depressing his memory yeah maybe he blacked

1:27:00

out during in genuinely to the really remember

1:27:02

a lot of their of the fact that this

1:27:05

random person is inner viewing him in

1:27:07

a weird room yeah i know it's not super

1:27:09

comfortable and gaseous snacks and games

1:27:11

and and whatever but i still know

1:27:13

these been quasi i see kids are done

1:27:16

say no yeah right and she's asking

1:27:18

me weird question there's been times where i've

1:27:21

you know fashion the kids and i

1:27:23

could tell it's somewhere so what's going on and they be like

1:27:25

oh no the secret

1:27:27

like i can't tell you are seen on the

1:27:29

kids are secretive they if they're not down they know

1:27:32

that your they're trying figure sit out yeah and

1:27:34

so large homes that are gonna try and protect their family

1:27:37

or the help i don't know

1:27:39

pretty confident their the beginning they seem to hold

1:27:41

his own like see there's the out with i'm gonna

1:27:43

tell you raise i'll you know where

1:27:46

he seems almost in control

1:27:47

the conversation with she's a command of expression

1:27:50

is healthy did you stop i know issue

1:27:52

down yeah

1:27:54

oh i don't know like and thinking about

1:27:56

my son who's who's ten then

1:27:58

how would he be higher than that

1:28:00

situation is somebody asked him like a secret

1:28:02

he won't be like at the i guess secret santa telling

1:28:04

you he believes are you know like a don't really

1:28:06

know if he'd be more like withdrawn and

1:28:08

is it

1:28:09

ranger but birth seems to be very like up front with

1:28:11

a stranger yeah nestle and then he gets

1:28:13

weird when there are talking about

1:28:15

the murder you find out more secrets he signed

1:28:17

type malik the family dynamic morning their talk

1:28:19

about the murder that's when he says put the game on his head

1:28:21

and he of ethanol

1:28:23

united inappropriate touching i mean

1:28:26

it's hard to say again with the fidgeting and putting

1:28:28

the game on your head and stuff plus i mean that's

1:28:30

mean that's i was all the time as a kid i was always

1:28:32

like

1:28:33

they've been around grabbing things he

1:28:36

doing just weird things when i would

1:28:38

that really anybody a fellow the last her

1:28:40

to your high for those wow

1:28:43

it's any kind of hard to judge his behavior

1:28:46

the apache and john started to suspect

1:28:48

that the police were suspicious of them and

1:28:50

be blared are badass we get to separate

1:28:52

lawyers they get to defend lawyers and

1:28:55

they weren't questioned by police until five months

1:28:57

after the murder and ninety ninety seven

1:28:59

and they had ah the lot of conditions

1:29:02

they had a time when it that they could be question

1:29:05

they wanted a copy of their initial reports

1:29:07

the police on a list is a very

1:29:09

and i don't think that the police would have done that with

1:29:12

any

1:29:12

yeah that's given that much information

1:29:14

on what on earth investigation potentially

1:29:17

into them

1:29:18

why would they give that divulge the information is

1:29:20

only one reviewed one at right to protect

1:29:22

yourself

1:29:23

or that though they did an interview with cnn on

1:29:25

january first ninety ninety seven so we're what

1:29:27

i said for they talk to the police

1:29:30

they did an interview cnn

1:29:32

so they want their narrative their side of sorry

1:29:34

out there in the public for they

1:29:36

talk

1:29:37

to the beliefs yeah obviously strategic

1:29:39

very and i'm they maintain

1:29:41

their innocence and patsy warned boulder residents

1:29:43

that there was a killer on the loose a this

1:29:45

is it area she's super dramatic

1:29:48

she's super on

1:29:50

the elect player because i think it's very telling

1:29:52

you believe if someone

1:29:55

outside your own there is a

1:29:57

killer on the lines

1:30:00

i don't know who it is i

1:30:02

, know if that say he for a

1:30:04

see that if i were a

1:30:06

resident of folder folder

1:30:09

would tell my friends

1:30:12

too

1:30:15

are you now

1:30:24

every credibly

1:30:25

the moment right there at each time something

1:30:28

about this is she got to be the and van a ser

1:30:30

like even that kind of this regard to me that's

1:30:32

like a martini blur my

1:30:34

buddy the is an axe or something and something and

1:30:36

the biggest he self medicating see is so

1:30:38

that the say that the which yes exactly

1:30:40

that is possible and would make sense

1:30:43

and i probably have to get spelling out before you go on cnn

1:30:46

or you probably wouldn't laugh in that

1:30:47

or you'd be so anxious that maybe she thought it was

1:30:49

a good idea of a sugar clearly i agree it's just

1:30:52

the way her either country being speed sucks

1:30:54

it's having trouble finding the words suddenly

1:30:56

on something or the

1:30:59

her

1:30:59

well that's the weird thing because after

1:31:01

the center the only she's very insistent there's a killer

1:31:04

analysts i also thought it was interesting they had

1:31:06

a camera on jan and the like see think of some outside

1:31:08

the house music

1:31:09

when she by yes and then the movie don't really

1:31:11

like them off yeah he owns he's like know if

1:31:14

we could be like

1:31:15

valid email from down there for is that

1:31:17

some outside the house the ban on

1:31:19

the mayor and the police issued see been saying

1:31:22

know there's there's no killer on the list

1:31:24

is the reason for bull the residents to be afraid

1:31:27

there's not a murderer wandering round of this could be because

1:31:29

they don't want people to freak our i wrote

1:31:31

i also you'd think that if this was something

1:31:34

the police actually believe they would be a little

1:31:36

bit more cautionary and buick yeah

1:31:38

guys you know there there might be something other just be

1:31:40

safe keep your kids with you at all times in a we

1:31:42

don't give anything to worry about but we

1:31:44

really give one want you live on stay safe

1:31:46

but they were also vehement they are now and

1:31:49

i'll kill analysts so this is kind of saying

1:31:51

we don't think that the killer was it had an odd

1:31:53

any color therefore

1:31:55

read more and more in inquiring out and

1:31:57

say are the killers they're shooting john

1:31:59

seems

1:32:00

it worried about how parties

1:32:02

talking or like embarrassed

1:32:04

the he cannot tell whether he's almost as gonna like playing

1:32:07

a role to me it seems a little

1:32:10

he met authentic sort of isn't my like it's

1:32:12

okay because yeah animals having

1:32:14

he was trying to like real or back

1:32:17

he didn't like the way she's talking or order the eventually

1:32:20

i knew that she was under the influence of thing

1:32:22

with a little embarrassed i agree

1:32:24

april thirtieth ninety ninety seven when he's

1:32:26

agreed to be interviewed on the condition that

1:32:28

they can have a copy of the stevens big

1:32:30

the police and defend her twenty fifth

1:32:32

glow agreed to that aren't there other

1:32:35

kinda send the police's test ridiculous like

1:32:37

special treatment or very nice to be fired the be

1:32:39

any city fired his entire treatment of this case

1:32:42

i don't know he probably isn't the he anymore but he

1:32:44

needs to not work and public service any martha's

1:32:46

absolute garbage you're not putting the public

1:32:48

skins and you know that ah but the da's

1:32:51

il is an elected position yeah

1:32:53

so perhaps

1:32:55

they gave money to hit me know maybe there's a release

1:32:58

of their that we don't know about or reason for him to

1:33:00

protect it seems like yeah

1:33:02

birchwood questioned by detected in nineteen ninety

1:33:04

eight as a possible witness in the murder at

1:33:06

a suspect the big now has been

1:33:08

paid leave again

1:33:10

neat ninety ninety eight boulder the alec

1:33:12

hunter decided to call a grand jury to decide

1:33:15

it's down and patsy ramsey would be guided

1:33:17

in their day

1:33:19

the prevented the case to a grand jury of eight

1:33:21

women and for men after about a year

1:33:23

of the grand jury being presented with evidence and

1:33:25

witness testimony alex hunter announced

1:33:27

that his office would not be pursuing charges

1:33:29

against their and the

1:33:31

that's because with a grand jury

1:33:33

had decided on with kept secret as reuters

1:33:36

though we didn't know what the grand jury

1:33:38

had said before alice hunter said we're not pursuing

1:33:40

charges for we all assumed because we're logical

1:33:42

human beings will the grand jury must have said there's not

1:33:44

enough information why would alice hunter the

1:33:46

d a hologram during and go against

1:33:49

their recommended recommended

1:33:52

the does seem ridiculous ryan does

1:33:54

the jurors were not allowed to discuss any

1:33:56

part of the grand jury in later did some apple

1:33:59

that they had as sleep the to indict

1:34:01

can an effete

1:34:02

oh believe that iran's he knew who killed the

1:34:04

jon benet and covered up for murder and

1:34:06

alex hunter

1:34:08

the one who decide it's not file charges

1:34:10

what's that

1:34:11

pretty rare i would say for any ready

1:34:14

to go against the grand jury when

1:34:16

the grand jury is like yeah weekend we

1:34:18

could do we really how trial in american

1:34:20

prosecutors so

1:34:21

they were the hell is he showed to to

1:34:23

demonstrate i'm doing something i'm moving

1:34:26

forward and he thought well as the

1:34:28

is they say not to indict than

1:34:30

great i'm in good shape and they seem to

1:34:32

indict were great and still gonna be able to do whatever i

1:34:34

want no one knows a secret they'll

1:34:36

come a secret though he

1:34:38

and he did a little chemical

1:34:41

yeah the guy on is why is alex hunter

1:34:44

going against the grand jury

1:34:46

what's what's the reasoning behind and that's the

1:34:48

he never wanted to go in or dynamic and

1:34:50

out right protecting them

1:34:52

from the beginning it seems like the

1:34:54

really was like it

1:34:59

someone looking at the dna evidence little bit more theres

1:35:02

possibility that the dna evidence found on japanese

1:35:04

underwear was touched dna

1:35:06

was just means that yt might have belonged to a

1:35:09

factory worker really anybody

1:35:11

who might of handled underwear before

1:35:13

they were even sold or someone

1:35:15

else in the home or you know mean we

1:35:17

just dont know placed , that carpet

1:35:19

right right could of been like i a

1:35:21

you podcast mile yeah exactly

1:35:24

in a really tricky like that because you can

1:35:26

put like the u p s guy could put a package on their car

1:35:29

back or give it to down and john puts facts

1:35:31

on the carpet and the u p s guys dna is now

1:35:33

on our best young and old son many

1:35:35

yeah

1:35:36

the unit family it looks

1:35:38

a little different for everyone for some

1:35:40

it's mom and dad for others

1:35:43

the makes you feel like family and

1:35:45

for others that your significant other the golfing

1:35:47

buddies your children a high school soccer team starting

1:35:50

the know look they're all taking you up on the offer

1:35:52

to stay for dinner freely test in the limits

1:35:54

of that phrase the more the merrier but

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no matter where you call home geico makes

1:35:58

it easy to bundle and on home and car

1:36:00

insurance easier than making three

1:36:02

frozen pizzas and assorted frozen veggies

1:36:05

into a cohesive meal

1:36:07

now it's guy goes motorcycle

1:36:09

rules of the road

1:36:12

avoid breaking in the rain

1:36:14

and never touch another person's by hey

1:36:16

guys look at these bikes

1:36:19

so shiny new

1:36:21

what

1:36:27

you're going to leave a note oh