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this week on millennial.

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I kinda wish you hopped on the zoom this

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morning and you were just, like, totally deck

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down an emo gear, like, dark

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black jet black hair. Right? Like,

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sidesuit bam. Yeah.

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Yeah. You think

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I'd be holding on to my cuss stume

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from forty eight hours ago.

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Yeah. You look like the Joker or

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something. Laura's

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like, my culture is not your culture.

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I know.

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My

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brother does same thing.

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And I always used to give him shit. I was

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like, why do you write

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so weird? Yeah. My teachers

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would too. And then, like, to this day, I'm still insecure

0:35

when I write like this because I know

0:37

it's not how you're supposed to hold a

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pen. Who cares? Well,

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when you're getting made fun of, you too.

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Yeah. This is why I became a computer nerd.

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I was like, I'll show them. My warning. News of

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Pen or Pencil. Bill C. Hello.

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see.

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Welcome to Millennial, the homo pretends

0:57

marinated chicken recipes and real

1:00

like well usages. I'm Andrew.

1:02

I'm Laura, and I'm Pamela.

1:05

What the fuck, Andrew? What is that?

1:06

Laura is clearly not

1:09

up on today's news. The FDA

1:11

has warned that Nike

1:13

will marinated chicken is dangerous.

1:16

because there's a new TikTok trend

1:19

in which people aren't encouraging others

1:21

to cook their chicken in

1:24

nickel cold and flu. Why?

1:27

It's called sleepy chicken, and

1:31

it helps with cold symptoms. according

1:33

to You could just take it where

1:35

you know what helps with cold symptoms.

1:38

I don't need sleepy chicken for night

1:40

cold to knock me out. I've I've gone in

1:42

forty five minutes.

1:43

Now we're gonna go to CVS

1:45

and the chicken is gonna be locked up too just

1:47

like Tide pods were during that whole curve.

1:49

Oh, man. I'm really glad that this story

1:52

broke today because I was

1:54

buying

1:54

frozen

1:55

chicken to meal

1:57

prep last night. And

1:59

so imagine

1:59

if I had gotten carted

2:02

for

2:02

the frozen chicken -- Right.

2:04

-- but that I was gonna go do something stupid

2:06

with it, like boil it and night well.

2:07

did the person at the register, like,

2:09

look at you and silently judge you and wonder

2:11

if you were gonna make marinated and make quilted

2:14

chicken? No.

2:14

But he did kinda look like a college kid,

2:16

so I

2:17

feel like even if -- I totally

2:19

saw this. -- then he would have been like, that's

2:21

cool. Somebody said I must be making

2:23

this up. Now it's true that FDA actually did

2:25

release a statement and they said

2:27

that meds that are boiled can be dangerous

2:30

because they're much more concentrated and powerful

2:32

and changed properties. I mean

2:33

remember that time last year where the

2:36

FDA had to issue a warning to people

2:38

not to inject themselves with horse

2:40

dewormers -- Yes. -- because some people were

2:42

using it as a COVID cure. So

2:45

I'm not surprised.

2:47

I'm just disappointed. Speaking of

2:49

the FDA, a new and improved

2:51

COVID booster recently received

2:53

approval from the FDA, and

2:56

most people are eligible. The

2:58

updated boosters include an MRNA

3:01

component of the original strain to provide

3:03

an immune response that is broadly protective

3:05

against COVID-nineteen and

3:07

an MRMA component in

3:09

common between the Omnichrond variant,

3:12

BA4 and BA5 lineages to provide

3:14

better protection against COVID nineteen caused

3:16

by that. So the TLDR is they

3:19

released an updated vaccine that

3:21

works against the Omnicron variants.

3:25

Now the Omnicron variant is

3:27

expected to be dominant this fall in

3:29

winter, so that's why it was really important

3:31

for them to release this updated booster.

3:34

My question to y'all is, now that it has

3:36

received FDA approval, are you

3:39

planning on getting this booster, which will

3:42

be our second once, second boosters?

3:44

Absolutely. I I will too.

3:46

I'm planning on doing mine in the next couple

3:48

of weeks. I'm probably gonna wait and

3:50

do it

3:50

early November, so right

3:52

behind. Laura. I

3:54

guess I'll do this in

3:57

the fall. Maybe right before Christmas

3:59

or I'm kind of dreading getting

4:02

the booster. because by

4:04

side effects with the first booster. Now, I will

4:06

say I got the first booster with the flu

4:08

shot, same arm, you know, within a

4:10

minute of each other. So maybe that's

4:12

why the side effects were extra bad, but

4:15

I'm dreading that because I had chills all night.

4:17

I just felt like shit the following day. It

4:19

was a rough go. So I don't really wanna

4:21

go through that again, to be honest. Yeah.

4:24

So, I mean,

4:24

I'm not a doctor.

4:27

or a physician or anything like that, but I don't

4:29

think it's a good idea to

4:31

get your flu shot and the COVID

4:33

shot at the same time because they can both

4:35

have side effects that

4:37

leave you feeling a little under the weather. So it

4:39

seems like you're kinda doubling up when you

4:41

do that. But it is a great reminder

4:43

to people that flues back scenes

4:45

are also available for the season

4:47

now. I'm planning on getting

4:49

that one probably this weekend,

4:52

so it has a couple of weeks before I

4:54

do the COVID shot. You're gonna let

4:56

it marinade. That is something you want

4:58

marinating in your body. Right.

5:00

Okay. I need to spread them out by

5:02

weeks, not minutes. Got it. To be

5:04

fair, I feel

5:05

like a lot of people were doing the same thing you

5:07

were doing and getting both at the same

5:09

time because it is kind of a pain in

5:11

the butt to have to go back and

5:13

you know, get two shots. And and I'm sure

5:15

that when I don't know about you guys,

5:17

but I remember when I went to get my boost or

5:19

they asked me if I wanted to get a flu shot.

5:22

like, no thanks. Lady, you already got mine,

5:24

but thanks for asking. And

5:26

I understand why they're trying to get

5:28

people while they're already in right because a

5:30

lot of people do go to their local pharmacy.

5:33

Some people go to their grocery stores

5:35

because those have pharmacies in them.

5:37

and I can understand people are

5:39

busy. So I

5:40

get it why you would wanna knock it out.

5:42

I understand why pharmacist would be like,

5:44

hey, while you're here, you

5:46

know, do you want both of these

5:49

so that we can kill two birds with one

5:51

stone?

5:52

But if you have, flexibility

5:53

on your side and you don't

5:56

have to do them at the same time, you might be saving

5:58

yourself some extra headache

5:59

the

5:59

literally. Rosily in the disc

6:02

cordis saying, as a pharmacist, if

6:04

you haven't received them before, I'd recommend

6:06

getting them separately in case there's an allergic

6:08

reaction to one of them. So that's some

6:11

Good advice.

6:11

Yeah. Now, Laura, we

6:14

need you to come clean about something. You

6:16

confessed to Pam and I the other day.

6:19

that with your first COVID booster,

6:21

you actually had more symptoms than

6:23

you were letting on when you spoke about

6:25

it here on millennial last year

6:27

or whatever that was. So come

6:29

clean.

6:29

Yeah. It's true. I'm I'm

6:32

feeling so cold out right now.

6:34

I definitely didn't go into

6:37

all of the side effects I experienced with

6:39

the first booster because it felt

6:41

socially irresponsible to

6:43

potentially scare people. into

6:46

not getting it. It wasn't

6:48

anything bad. I was just dealing with

6:50

nausea for about

6:53

a day

6:54

or so, and I

6:56

am someone who when I

6:58

feel nausea, I tend to throw

7:01

up, not everyone's like that,

7:03

but I do. So that is what I

7:05

experienced. It was not fun,

7:08

but

7:08

it was

7:10

a day, and I would much rather

7:12

have one shitty day than get COVID.

7:14

You almost started the lead there. You

7:16

were like, I had nausea And,

7:18

yeah, when I got nausea, I threw

7:20

up -- Yeah. -- I love it. It's a very

7:22

gentle way of introducing it.

7:23

Unfortunately, like, I'm the cut like, once

7:26

I

7:26

feel nauseous, I'm gonna throw

7:28

up. Like, I'll never have a nauseous

7:30

bout and not throw up. I can't

7:32

do it. my body's just,

7:34

like, exercise this demon out

7:36

of me. Yeah. But,

7:38

yeah, I didn't I didn't want to

7:41

scare people at the time because

7:43

even just a year ago, there

7:45

was still a lot more uncertainty about

7:48

the vaccines. That

7:50

said, given my reaction

7:52

to the first booster, I am

7:54

definitely planning on getting the second booster

7:56

during the weekend, so I can just

7:58

come

7:59

home and

7:59

hermit.

8:00

Hermit and pearl all weekend. In

8:04

between herles with the first booster where

8:06

you're like, Damn you, Fauci.

8:09

Damn you. No. I I

8:11

was just

8:12

feeling thankful that I knew this

8:14

would pass. and

8:15

was reducing my chances of

8:18

getting COVID. That's a very positive

8:20

outlook. When I was shivering all night long after

8:22

my booster, I was like, out to

8:24

eat. Yeah. You know? No.

8:27

But of course, we encourage your boosters even

8:29

if you go through a little bit of hell.

8:31

Like I said, I'll probably do it. before

8:33

Christmas. I I don't know. I've made it

8:35

this long in my competition against

8:37

Laura. What's another two months?

8:39

Andrea, are we gonna make it are we both gonna

8:41

make it through twenty two.

8:43

They're getting COVID. Getting COVID?

8:45

I don't know. The competition begins

8:47

anew in twenty twenty three.

8:49

I keep an eye on these cases and they the

8:52

daily positive cases in

8:54

the US continue to decline

8:56

pretty rapidly. So

8:58

maybe we're gonna week out of this.

9:00

There is a COVID booster quiz

9:02

on the CDC's website, by the way, will

9:05

include a link in the show notes, so you

9:07

can take this very quick quiz to

9:09

see if you are eligible for

9:11

the new booster. And by the way, I just

9:13

wanted to mention Biden said on

9:15

sixty minutes over the weekend that the

9:17

pandemic is, quote, over, but

9:19

we still have a problem with

9:21

COVID. This comment receives a lot of

9:23

backlash because over four hundred people a

9:25

day are still dying of COVID here in

9:27

the United States alone. COVID

9:29

is not over

9:30

over he

9:31

hasn't clarified this yet, which

9:34

actually surprises me. He

9:36

was over in England for the Queen's

9:38

Funeral, so maybe that's why. But I assume

9:40

what he meant when when he used the

9:42

word over was that COVID

9:44

restrictions in the way that we knew

9:46

them are over in

9:48

his mind. thanks to the

9:50

vaccines. But nonetheless, it

9:52

is an irresponsible remark because it

9:54

does imply that you don't need a tape

9:56

or call or more importantly that you don't need

9:58

to go and get one of these brand new

9:59

boosters. See,

10:00

I mean by

10:03

comparison

10:03

because if I were

10:05

giving this statement, I would say, yeah,

10:08

there's not a pandemic anymore, and

10:10

that's because it's endemic, and

10:12

we're just gonna have to live with it

10:14

because we all fucked up and we

10:16

didn't do what we were supposed to

10:18

do to get it under control.

10:20

So now it's part of our regular

10:22

lives just like the flu. Congratulations

10:25

idiots.

10:26

Congratulations idiots. We a

10:28

second flu. Well,

10:30

we also wanted to address a bit

10:32

of news that broke yesterday. So

10:34

on Monday, a Baltimore judge

10:37

ordered the release of Adnan Sayed

10:41

after overturning his conviction

10:43

for the nineteen ninety nine murder

10:45

of his high cool girlfriend,

10:47

Hayman Lee. Some

10:49

of you may remember this case being chronicled

10:51

on the hit podcast serial.

10:54

this podcast, I think, really

10:56

transfixed a lot of

10:58

people, but it also kind of

11:01

spearheaded golden age of

11:03

podcasting or remember us talking about it

11:05

at the time being like cereal made

11:07

podcasting hip again. It really did.

11:09

It was around that time that

11:11

we decide to start

11:13

millennial. But this

11:15

is huge news because

11:17

as Avid, you know, followers of

11:20

a science case would

11:23

say there just wasn't

11:25

substantial enough evidence

11:27

to justify this

11:30

life sentence that he was serving

11:32

the Circuit Court judge that

11:34

over turned this conviction.

11:37

She ruled that the state violated its

11:39

legal obligation to share evidence

11:41

that could have bolstered his

11:43

defense.

11:44

He is being placed

11:46

on home detention

11:49

with a GPS location monitoring

11:52

device, but she did also

11:54

say that the state has to decide

11:56

whether it wants to seek a

11:58

new trial date or

12:00

dismiss the case entirely within

12:03

thirty days. So this

12:05

is a huge moment

12:07

for justice. And

12:08

I think one of the things that cereal as

12:10

a podcast has been criticized more and

12:12

more for in more recent history.

12:15

is that some of these allegations

12:18

around the state withholding evidence

12:22

that could have bolstered his

12:24

defense kind of

12:26

went undiscussed. And I

12:28

know that one of his high school classmates

12:30

who went on to become a

12:32

lawyer, Robbie Ashoudreay, she did

12:34

a whole podcast called undisclosed

12:36

where she went in to a lot

12:38

of that information. So there

12:41

are a lot of people now calling

12:43

for serial to issue

12:46

some corrections to some of

12:48

the misleading information that

12:50

it had provided during its run.

12:52

I know Sarah Koenig was supposed to

12:55

release an update episode

12:57

of cereal either

12:58

Tuesday or it's Today. I

13:00

think believe it's out now because I was

13:02

listening to another podcast and

13:04

I saw

13:05

it pop up. So It's out

13:07

now and in a show of

13:09

just how big the story

13:11

was the show and that particular

13:13

episode hit number one

13:15

on the Apple Podcast Arts today. So

13:17

there's still a ton of interest. People

13:19

were very invested in the story. And I'm glad

13:21

you brought up undisclosed podcast too because

13:23

that has risen because this is you

13:26

mentioned the one lawyer, but there's two others

13:28

too. on this podcast. So

13:30

that one's turned into a really big deal

13:32

as well. I think

13:33

they should issue I mean, I think they

13:35

should issue a retraction. I'm glad they

13:37

did this updated episode. I haven't listened to

13:39

it, so I can't pass judgment on whether it was

13:41

done correctly. But given the

13:43

fact that serial is is an

13:45

offshoot of NPR. I believe it's an

13:47

NPR show. NPR is a newer

13:49

news organization first. So if they're

13:51

being misleading, then they owe it to

13:53

their audience and the credibility

13:55

of their organization

13:58

to make sure that they

14:00

set

14:00

the facts straight for everybody. It's actually a

14:02

New York Times podcast. Oh, okay. Is that

14:04

NPR? Is

14:05

it? I thought it was NPR

14:06

for some Serial is a podcast from

14:08

serial productions in New York Times company. Oh,

14:10

okay. I think it was originally of

14:12

this American life. I thought so she

14:14

actually

14:14

first came out. Yeah. Well, you know

14:17

the Times they buy everything that's

14:19

hot, word all, cereal. Right.

14:21

There are

14:22

people who have very strong opinions.

14:25

one way or the other as to whether they

14:27

think he did it.

14:28

I kinda think it's

14:30

immaterial because ultimately

14:33

he did not receive an

14:36

adequate defense

14:38

and the evidence

14:41

against him in a lot of cases

14:43

was very circumstantial. So

14:46

whether or not you believe he did

14:48

it, the factor means that

14:50

he did not receive a fair

14:52

trial and as a result

14:54

should not have spent

14:56

the

14:56

last two plus decades in

14:58

prison. I mean, he went to jail when

15:00

he was eighteen. He's forty one

15:02

now. Ugh. So, I

15:04

mean, that's the prime of his life.

15:07

Yeah. Right? But he seemed I

15:09

mean, he was all smiles.

15:11

getting out. So I

15:12

can just only hope that he's,

15:15

you know, he and his family have

15:17

time to heal together

15:19

and and also thinking about haman

15:21

Lee's family too. I mean, this has to

15:24

be a really

15:26

distraught time for them too. Obviously, I

15:28

don't think anyone can speak for them in how

15:30

they feel, but it has to

15:32

be really

15:32

really

15:33

hard. Good for him. We're happy for

15:35

him. And to some extent, happy

15:37

to everybody who was so invested in

15:39

cereal, I mean, won an ending. Yeah. But

15:42

this story. So It it

15:44

only took

15:44

almost ten years. Right? Yeah.

15:47

I do wanna point out that Roshni and

15:49

her Discord is saying that serial

15:51

was not just incorrect when it came to evidence,

15:54

but called out that

15:56

there were, you

15:58

know, things or not this isn't

16:00

specifically a critique of cereal,

16:02

but that there were things that were said in the

16:04

trial that were really racist and

16:07

themes around him being

16:09

just naturally more

16:11

violent because he's Muslim.

16:13

So there's just a lot of

16:15

layers to how

16:18

poorly this case was handled

16:20

by the state, and we can only

16:22

hope Moving forward, justice will

16:24

prevail.

16:24

Thanks for sharing that, Roshni. Switching

16:26

gears here a little bit. I went to

16:28

a concert on Sunday night

16:31

rather than just tell y'all who I want

16:34

to see, I thought we could maybe turn it into

16:36

a little game.

16:36

If you all wanna guess, who you think I

16:39

saw? My first guess would be Green

16:41

Day. Mine

16:41

is my chemical romance. Pam,

16:44

you were right. I saw

16:45

my chemical romance on Sunday.

16:47

did you know? Because

16:49

they my friend just went in

16:51

Philly, and so I took a

16:53

guess based on,

16:54

you know, knowing that you like them

16:56

to and also that they're probably close to the

16:58

East Coast and you are too. So

17:00

How was it? Was your email heart singing?

17:03

Oh

17:03

my god. It was so great. Like,

17:05

I've never gotten to see them in concert before. I've

17:07

been a fan for a long time since

17:09

I was, you know, a teenager.

17:13

and my, you know, the

17:15

little emo baby child that

17:17

still lives in my heart

17:18

was just over the

17:19

moon to be there. We

17:22

had such a great time. And

17:24

I actually wanted to call out Justin in

17:26

the Discord because he was looking ahead

17:28

the doc and he was like, I'm gonna guess Laura

17:31

saw a follow-up boy

17:33

an MCR at music midtown

17:35

in Atlanta. That's a great guess.

17:38

However, Music Midtown was

17:40

canceled in Atlanta this year

17:42

because of our obsession with

17:44

fucking guns

17:44

Because

17:46

it it takes

17:48

place in a public area

17:51

and because of our stupid

17:53

constitutional carry bullshit that Brian Kemp brought

17:55

to us this year, there wasn't

17:57

going to be a way to

17:59

guarantee that is a gun free zone.

18:02

So, Music Midtown was

18:05

canceled, but MCR was one of the bands

18:07

that decided to schedule

18:09

shows here anyway at private

18:12

venues. so that we could

18:14

actually get together. And it was very

18:16

funny because during the show, Gerard Way,

18:18

who's the front man of

18:20

MCR, was like,

18:21

yeah, y'all. So we were supposed

18:23

to be at a festival together,

18:26

but guns, guns, guns.

18:28

Am I right? So you wanna

18:30

That got a lot. Well, that's the

18:32

title of the song. Right? Isn't

18:34

it? Yeah. Mhmm. Did

18:36

you have your studded belt

18:39

Did you pull that out? I haven't had one

18:40

of those in a long

18:42

time. I like I like that you

18:45

did though. I like that you did.

18:47

I kinda wish you hopped on the zoom this morning, and

18:49

you were just, like, totally deck down an

18:51

emo gear, like, dark black jet

18:53

black hair area. Right. side

18:56

soup bam. Yeah.

18:58

Yeah. You think

18:59

I'd be holding on to my costume from

19:01

forty

19:01

eight hours ago? Yeah. You're looking at

19:03

this Joker or something. My costume

19:05

my culture is not your costume.

19:07

I know.

19:11

Let's move

19:12

on to a couple other topics today. What do you

19:14

got for us, Pam? I wanna

19:15

talk about cursive today, not

19:18

singing in cursive, which I know is big

19:20

in the email music

19:22

community. But the actual practice

19:24

of writing cursive and also just things

19:26

that we learned in school I saw

19:28

this article over at The

19:30

Atlantic, which was written by former

19:32

president of Harvard University.

19:34

They wrote this piece in which

19:37

They talked about how surprised they were

19:39

to find out that many

19:41

students today don't know how to

19:43

write cursive, let alone, read

19:45

it. And the story of how

19:47

she came to realize this

19:49

was is really well written. So I

19:51

highly recommend you guys checking out a link to

19:53

this if you're curious. But for

19:55

a little bit of context, because I was definitely curious

19:57

about

19:57

this after I read just, you know, the opening few

19:59

paragraphs, Chris is actually

20:02

omitted from the National

20:03

common course standards for grades

20:05

k

20:05

through twelve in twenty ten.

20:08

So this means that schools in the

20:10

United States aren't actually required to teach

20:12

cursive under the common core guidelines, but

20:15

that doesn't mean that they can't.

20:17

So this is also very important to keep in

20:19

mind because when you hear

20:21

or see headlines about, you know, like,

20:23

younger generations not

20:24

knowing how to read or

20:25

write cursive. It

20:26

doesn't necessarily mean that it's been

20:29

completely cut out of the curriculum

20:32

because common core is more of like a

20:34

guideline and and there are things

20:36

there that

20:36

you have to teach to prep

20:38

your students for standardized

20:39

testing, which is really kind of the name of the

20:42

game. But that doesn't mean that they're

20:44

completely scrapping at So

20:46

a really good example

20:48

of this is

20:50

that Texas, for example, added

20:53

cursive back into its elementary school curriculum starting

20:55

in twenty nineteen and in twenty

20:57

twenty. Tennessee

20:59

made cursive mandatory in

21:01

grades two through for via bill

21:03

they passed in twenty fourteen in other states

21:06

like Alabama, Louisiana, Arkansas,

21:09

Virginia, California, Florida, and

21:11

North Carolina all have similar

21:13

measures. So,

21:15

yeah, it's not necessarily

21:17

that it's completely dead, but it is sort

21:20

of dying

21:20

depending on, you know, what state or county

21:22

you are from. And

21:23

I see that somebody else popped in

21:26

a nice little article here about the

21:28

benefits of knowing how

21:29

to write cursive or learning how to. Yeah.

21:32

I

21:32

found this. It's an op ed. I'll

21:35

disclose that. This is not, you

21:37

know, not necessarily the

21:40

gospel, but the

21:42

op ed writer of this New York Times

21:45

opinion piece goes into

21:47

just some of the tangential

21:50

benefits that can come with being

21:52

able to write in cursive

21:54

one of the examples that was brought up

21:57

is

21:57

that college board

21:59

found in

22:01

recent history that students

22:04

who wrote their SAT. SAs

22:06

in cursive actually performed a

22:08

little bit higher than the ones who didn't

22:11

and it's thought that the fluidity

22:13

of writing in cursive allowed

22:16

students to focus more on

22:18

the thoughts they were trying to get out

22:20

on paper as opposed to focusing

22:22

on the actual writing itself. So

22:25

that's one thought, but There

22:27

are also a ton of studies out there that show

22:30

very positive links between learning

22:33

cursive and learning comprehension

22:36

in general. So

22:38

I think it's complicated. I don't

22:40

know that I some

22:42

people in education would have

22:44

you believe that not teaching

22:46

cursive is, like, stunting

22:49

kids academically.

22:50

And I don't know if that I

22:52

think that's true, but I think that there is a place

22:54

for it it just seems, okay, those are very good

22:56

points that are brought up in the op ed and

22:58

there's another quote in here. The

23:01

writer says the emphasis should be

23:03

on simplicity and function when teaching

23:05

children, cursive. It doesn't

23:07

have to be on being

23:09

fancy with slants and loops

23:11

and curls. because like if you look at more

23:14

extreme forms of cursive, it

23:16

is pretty tough to read. If you haven't

23:18

studied cursive, in a

23:20

while. I guess, I I struggle

23:22

to see the benefits of

23:24

cursive when it does feel like

23:26

we are writing less and less. I

23:28

understand the benefits that were just mentioned,

23:30

but why teach students, you

23:32

know, regular handwriting

23:35

and cursive and typing. I think

23:37

that's what we all went through here. I remember --

23:39

Yeah. -- learning all three, including

23:41

typing. Thanks, Mavis speaking. Mhmm.

23:43

Timing seems way more important

23:45

right now and just getting started with

23:48

normal handwriting. And to that

23:49

point, that that's basically

23:52

what that all of this boils down

23:54

to is that it's not necessarily that

23:56

all schools have scrapped

23:58

cursive. It's just that they're

24:00

reconfiguring how much time

24:03

they spend on it. I'm sure that

24:05

all of us probably remember probably

24:07

spent like hours and hours and hours just

24:09

having to, like, write the same letter over

24:11

again or the same combination of letters

24:13

over again. And doing

24:16

that for multiple years in a

24:18

row, not just for

24:20

like a segment

24:22

in school. How often

24:24

do you to put pen to paper?

24:26

Well,

24:26

I journal and I also I

24:28

keep a a paper planner.

24:30

Okay. I do the paper planner.

24:32

That's like my big thing that

24:34

I do on a daily basis, but that's it. When I

24:37

start, I used to write a bunch of

24:39

checks. I don't do that anymore. But when

24:41

I did, my hand started like

24:43

freaking out. If I do any more than write stuff down

24:45

on this planner, my hand starts like

24:47

immediately cramping and getting shaky. It's

24:49

just you're so out of

24:51

practice. Yeah. And that's not something I'm necessarily

24:53

proud of, but we just have

24:55

so little reason to write anymore. I'm

24:57

so glad

24:57

to hear that I'm not the only one

25:00

whose hand gets fatigued really

25:02

easily if I start writing. What are you

25:03

doing to me?

25:04

Oh. Like, writing the letters, like,

25:07

even though I write fairly regularly, but, like, a couple

25:09

years ago when we did the handwritten letters.

25:11

And to be fair, kinda I've kinda went

25:13

a little extra and, like, wrote probably more

25:15

than I needed to. But like,

25:17

my hand was cramping up. I was doing them in,

25:19

like, five letter increments. And

25:21

I don't have that callous anymore. I don't know

25:23

if you all have, like, writing, Callis, on one

25:25

of your fingers. I thought I

25:27

don't

25:27

think so. my right side.

25:28

I don't have that anymore to cushion.

25:31

The

25:31

pen. Oh, man. I didn't

25:33

even realize that you're totally right. I

25:35

don't have it anymore. I'm like rubbing

25:37

the space where it used to be, and I

25:39

can still kind of feel it, but it's

25:42

definitely not as prominent as

25:44

it was. I

25:44

somehow grew up writing

25:46

with three fingers on

25:48

one side of the pen or pencil and then

25:50

my thumb on the other, which is not the

25:52

way they teach you. My teachers

25:54

freaking hated it, but I just got this

25:56

is just how I got used to writing and

25:58

I couldn't do it any other

25:59

way. My brother does the

26:02

same thing. and I always used to give

26:04

him shit. I was like, why do you write so

26:06

weird?

26:06

Yeah. My teachers would too.

26:08

And then, like, to this day, I'm still

26:10

insecure. hear when I write like this because

26:12

I know it's not how you're supposed to

26:14

hold a pen.

26:17

Fuck

26:17

it. Like, supposed to

26:19

Who

26:19

cares? Well, when

26:20

you're getting made fun of,

26:22

you too. Yeah. Of course, you

26:23

care when you're younger, but now

26:26

hopefully

26:27

why I became a computer nerd. I was like,

26:29

I'll show them. I won't even use a pen

26:31

or pencil.

26:32

They'll see. They'll all see.

26:35

When we do find ourselves writing, do we use cursive

26:37

at all anymore?

26:38

For a signature, like, on a check,

26:40

but that's it. When we, like, sign stuff

26:42

for the show, I don't do

26:44

a traditional cursive signature. I do

26:47

normal handwriting. Is there a word I should I'm not when

26:49

you're writing your

26:49

to do lists. Do you just do

26:51

print? Oh, yeah. I'm not

26:54

writing maybe next week, just for

26:56

fun or the rest of the week, I'll do

26:58

cursive here. Just sit up on the page.

27:00

Yeah. I wanna say we are in writing.

27:02

gonna go so

27:03

badly. I do this, like, weird

27:06

hybrid cursive

27:08

print thing because

27:10

some

27:11

letters are just easier to

27:14

produce

27:14

them in cursive. Yeah. Like,

27:15

I think if l's, for

27:18

example, and some ease some are easier

27:20

to print like ours. They never look

27:22

pretty impressive, so Exactly.

27:24

I I do, like, a mix of the two.

27:26

I do too. I think, for me,

27:28

I feel like I'm faster

27:31

if I'm just if I don't have to, like, the pen every time

27:33

I'm writing

27:33

a letter. Well, that is a big benefit.

27:35

Yeah. But at

27:36

the same time, like, I know that for

27:38

some people, it's hard to read. Like, I I think

27:41

that, like, Andrew, sometimes you

27:41

have trouble reading my handwriting. I feel

27:43

like you've told

27:44

me this before. I'm trying to think the

27:46

last

27:46

time I read your handwriting stuff.

27:48

I'll read you a sample.

27:51

I mean, when I sneak into your bedroom

27:53

and open up your diary, but I normally

27:55

don't tell you that I'm doing that. Right. Exactly.

27:57

You

27:57

read all of my deepest, darkest

28:00

thoughts or part of them because I guess you

28:02

can't read all of them, so saving

28:03

grace. That's how

28:06

Babb keeps me out. She's so

28:08

aggressive. I just wrote

28:10

the word edit. I tried to write it

28:12

in cursive because I write that a lot on my little

28:14

to do list here. And

28:17

I don't know how to do a e in cursive.

28:19

It's like a backwards three.

28:21

Well, I just kept my pen down and traced

28:24

an e That's my cursed seed. The rest

28:26

looks alright though. Well, cursed seed isn't the

28:28

only

28:28

thing that's changed since we

28:30

were in grade school.

28:33

math is also completely

28:36

different now. I don't know about you

28:38

all, but I look at common

28:40

core math now and

28:42

I cannot make heads or

28:43

tails of it. But supposedly, it's

28:45

way easier to for

28:48

kids to understand which I'm all for because

28:50

I always had a

28:52

really big problem with math. It was really

28:54

hard for

28:54

me to to

28:55

understand easily my worst subjects. So

28:58

anything that makes it easier for the

29:00

kids is fine with me even I

29:01

don't know what's going on.

29:03

I've seen the new

29:05

long division and

29:07

I'm just vexed by it.

29:09

I don't understand how it

29:12

works,

29:12

but they're getting to the right answers,

29:15

so I guess

29:15

they're doing something right.

29:18

But, yeah, I feel like if there were a child

29:20

in my life who came to me asking

29:22

for help with math homework, I would be,

29:25

like, one, like, come

29:27

to me

29:27

with, like, your English homework, your

29:29

Spanish homework, like, your humanities, like,

29:32

I got you, math,

29:34

not my strong suit, but it would be made

29:36

even more difficult

29:38

with these new flows

29:40

that they're using.

29:42

Yeah. And that

29:44

makes being apparent all

29:46

the more terrifying as if you

29:48

didn't have enough reasons because I just

29:50

remember asking for asking my parents

29:52

for help when I was in elementary school or

29:55

middle school. And they

29:57

would do their best, but it probably

29:59

come to think of it. It wasn't the same way

30:01

that they were taught division or

30:03

multiplication growing up.

30:05

I did look at

30:07

new math in preparation

30:10

for today's show. And

30:12

there's this new friendly numbers

30:14

method -- Yeah. -- which initially

30:16

scared me. But when I was reading the description,

30:18

I was like, oh, I do this

30:21

sometimes just because it is easier. So

30:23

quoting an example from parents dot

30:25

com, say you wanna add two

30:27

digit numbers. The old school way millennial parents were taught

30:29

involve putting one on top of the other and

30:31

carrying if necessary. Now students are

30:33

encouraged to rethink how they arrange

30:35

the numbers. There's an example,

30:37

forty one plus twenty nine. You could

30:39

rewrite twenty nine as thirty, which is a

30:41

rounder friendly number.

30:44

then you turn forty one into

30:46

forty. Okay.

30:47

I definitely do that sometimes

30:49

too.

30:49

I hear that. You all

30:51

employ to make

30:53

math more exciting

30:55

for kids because math is like hardly anybody's

30:58

favorite subject. Right? There are some people that

31:00

really like math, but Yeah. I mean, if I was

31:02

growing up and they were telling me that, like, there are

31:04

numbers that are friendlier and therefore

31:06

easier to work with. And if it's like, well, maybe math

31:08

isn't so bad. But

31:09

think if I was a math teacher and I

31:12

had a hot math teacher in

31:14

middle school who I I still dream about he

31:16

was a surfer, if if I was

31:18

that math teacher, I

31:20

would be like, well, fuck this

31:22

because these aren't the numbers I'm trying to

31:24

get the students to add. This is

31:26

the wrong math. So this would really bother

31:28

me actually if I was being encouraged to

31:30

teach it this way. Yeah. It's

31:33

a cheat. It feels like a cheat, but

31:35

I guess That's all schooling. It's just like you learned sheets.

31:37

Well, you bring

31:37

up a good point that, you know, I'm

31:40

sure we've said this before on

31:42

the show. it's hard to be a teacher

31:44

and having to keep up with all

31:46

of this, especially,

31:48

you know, with probably, like, grade school

31:50

where there are changes that are made

31:52

so often like imagine you're

31:55

a bit

31:56

on the older side and all of a sudden you have to learn this

31:58

entirely new method that maybe you're not

31:59

familiar with. I applaud

32:02

them for pivoting, and I know they have to

32:04

pivot often. Chloe said I talk about

32:06

this math teacher all the time. I

32:08

think I need to get over him already. I mean, it's been like twenty years

32:10

for God's sake. Move on,

32:13

Andrew. Listen if it makes

32:13

you feel better. I also had a hotshot

32:16

teacher and he is

32:18

the only reason why I finally passed the

32:20

math requirement

32:21

at university. Oh,

32:26

okay. Yeah.

32:26

I tried to take math three different

32:29

times and I it it didn't stick

32:31

so I kept dropping the class and

32:33

then I I signed up for this elementary statistics class

32:35

that this guy walks in. I was like, okay. Well, maybe

32:37

I can hang out. This

32:38

semester. You know what it

32:40

is for me? I need closure. I haven't

32:43

seen this guy in, like, twenty years. I need to know what

32:45

it looks like down, you know. We have

32:47

to Google him for

32:48

the sake of the show because

32:50

now I wanna see your hot, that's teacher too.

32:52

Is he still on Facebook or anything?

32:54

Can you find him? No. His name anymore

32:56

more. I can just picture him. That's

32:58

all. You don't remember your

33:01

teacher crush? He was, like, seventh

33:03

grade. Do you have a seventh grade of your

33:05

book? Oh, yeah. I need to

33:07

find the paperwork. Alright. That's

33:09

the strategy. Good

33:11

idea. Okay. I'll I'll look into that later.

33:13

I'll ask my mom, hey, no reason

33:15

or anything, but do we sell

33:17

my middle school earbuck or anything.

33:20

Just send a picture of

33:20

the faculty pages. Get

33:22

if you see any

33:24

curly haired blonde, math

33:27

teachers. Get extra close to

33:29

him. Use that macro mode on

33:31

iPhone. Extreme close-up. We've all

33:33

been there.

33:34

And looking back on it, is

33:36

there anything that was in our

33:38

school curriculum that we feel like our

33:40

schools spent way too much time on I

33:42

feel like I I vaguely remember

33:45

feeling this way about cursive, but also

33:47

just math in general because we had really

33:49

great calculators. You know, this t i eighty

33:51

four is doing all the

33:54

complicated math equations and

33:56

or just thinking about, like, geometry, like,

33:58

a more specific type

33:59

of math. I would have to

34:02

echo the

34:02

sentiments about calculators. I

34:05

I'm sure we all remember

34:07

being told numerous times You

34:09

have to learn how to figure this out on your

34:12

own. You have to

34:14

work the math

34:16

out because You're not gonna have

34:18

a calculator in your pocket

34:19

everywhere you go. Guess what? Guess

34:20

what we have?

34:22

Right. you

34:25

know, literal computers in our pockets. Mhmm. Mhmm. I think a

34:27

lot of, like, the emphasis the emphasis

34:29

on memorizing formulas

34:32

too is of

34:34

ridiculous because -- Mhmm. -- you could

34:36

have all the formulas written

34:38

down. But if you don't know how to

34:40

use them or which ones you need to

34:43

use, then that's probably ten times worse

34:46

than not knowing like

34:48

the

34:49

quadratic formula

34:51

from memory. I

34:52

think in general, the emphasis on

34:56

memorization, and this isn't

34:58

just

34:59

in math, but I

35:01

think in most classes.

35:04

It has its place,

35:06

but

35:06

if your approach is

35:08

just to memorize everything, but

35:10

calls into question for me how much you're actually learning. Yeah.

35:12

That's a good point because

35:15

that doesn't

35:16

necessarily compute to understanding

35:18

-- Right. -- on the on the

35:20

flip side of this, and this is the last question I

35:22

have for this segment. Is there anything that wasn't

35:24

emphasized enough that we wish

35:27

we had spent more time on in school because for

35:29

me, I know the answer to that

35:31

is grammar in general. I don't

35:33

think I really learned

35:35

proper grammar until maybe like last year

35:37

of high

35:38

school, first year of college. I

35:40

agree. I remember, were we talking

35:42

about this in after dark sex ed?

35:44

There is -- Yeah. -- not enough talk there. That's the big one

35:46

that jumps out to me. But just any

35:49

and, you know, we touch on this from

35:51

time to time. Just, like,

35:54

life classes, balancing a

35:56

checkbook. Really needed to

35:58

do that back in the day. Yeah. I went to

35:59

the school of MamaG for that because my mom

36:02

was a banker. So Right. Yeah. I think, you

36:04

know, I was really lucky

36:04

that I got to take a personal finance

36:07

course when I was in high school,

36:09

but that's not something that's typically

36:12

offered in a lot of public school settings and

36:14

-- Yeah. -- I benefited a

36:16

lot from that. There are still skills that

36:18

I use from that course to this

36:21

day. We had that too. It was government

36:23

and economics, but the my teacher

36:25

was very smart. She was,

36:27

like, honestly, like, he

36:29

all can test out of governments, then

36:31

we can just spend more time on

36:33

everything else. And I think that that was the right way

36:35

to do it because

36:37

the government is stuff that we've we had been

36:40

being taught for years and years and

36:42

years.

36:42

So we ended up just doing that.

36:44

And it was the smartest choice probably

36:47

she made. In our high

36:48

school, we did have a home

36:52

economics classroom. but I never took that class and I always kinda saw

36:54

it as a joke. Like, why do I

36:56

need to learn cooking? Why do I need

36:58

to learn

37:00

nutrition? interior design.

37:02

It didn't make sense to to learn

37:04

in a school at the time. But now

37:06

I'm like, damn, I wish that that was a

37:09

required

37:09

class. Yeah. And I think I

37:11

mean, taking it a step further,

37:14

like, even basic first

37:16

aid. I know sometimes certain

37:20

health classes, we'll teach that.

37:22

Like, I remember I was in a health

37:24

class where we learned how to

37:26

do CPR For example, like, there are just some

37:28

some basic, like, life and

37:30

survival skills that

37:32

I think kind of are

37:34

lacking sometimes in the public

37:36

school system. Usually because

37:38

those programs get defunded.

37:40

Yeah. We did take a we did take take a

37:42

first day class and everybody

37:44

got CPR certified

37:46

and -- Oh.

37:47

-- and then you could, like, it you

37:49

had the option to get baby, like, certified for

37:51

a baby first aid, which is really it was

37:53

attractive because if you wanted to be, like, a

37:55

babysitter or, like, work at a summer camp or

37:57

something, then you could say,

37:59

I'm c PR certified for adult and children and also

38:02

baby first aid. But the only reason

38:04

that we did that is because we

38:05

had a swimming class

38:08

So my high school second year, sophomore

38:10

year, it

38:11

was half the year of

38:13

PE was swimming, and then the other

38:15

half was first aid.

38:17

and, like, general health. Yeah. I think

38:19

that you're right. Like, any kind of, like, skill

38:21

like that that could potentially help you out because

38:23

I still use stuff from that.

38:25

Like, I've make shifted splits before.

38:28

I at least know that you're not supposed

38:30

to put, like, ice on burns. If

38:32

somebody is choking,

38:33

I will save you.

38:35

Yeah.

38:36

You'll be ready. Oh. Yeah.

38:38

The CPR is great. I

38:40

don't think we had to learn. You could still like,

38:43

you could sign up.

38:43

The course is really short.

38:45

and I don't think it's that expensive to get CTR

38:48

certified, but also, like, for

38:50

baby first day too just because, like, you're an uncle

38:52

now. You never know if that'll come in useful, though

38:54

I'm

38:54

sure you're sister probably knows because she's

38:56

a I am a godfather too. She's

39:00

prepared. Go learn

39:00

child CPR, and that's even easier than

39:03

adult CPR because, you know, tiny

39:05

bodies. Right.

39:05

Right. One little push, it'll come

39:07

right out. Pretty much.

39:10

Alright.

39:11

Well, on kind of

39:13

a a related note, of, you know,

39:15

growing up and discovering things

39:17

about ourselves that we

39:19

weren't previously privates

39:22

too. We got a really interesting

39:24

confessional that talks about sexual fluidity

39:27

as you age. chat

39:30

about this in some of our own experiences.

39:32

We also got some submissions

39:34

from patrons who have had similar

39:38

awakenings, but I'll go ahead and

39:40

read the confessional. The

39:42

confessional writer

39:44

says, i, twenty eight female, ADHD,

39:46

she, her pronouns, think

39:48

I might have a crush on

39:52

another woman. Let's call her Stacey. I have

39:54

always thought I was straight.

39:56

At first, I thought I just really

39:58

admired Stacey and wanted to

40:00

be like

40:02

her. but I started getting butterflies when I would

40:04

get a text from her, really wanting

40:06

her to laugh at my jokes, and

40:10

basically having a lot of the same feelings

40:12

as when I have a crush

40:14

on a man. However, I don't

40:16

feel sexual attraction to

40:19

her. also realized that I seem to have

40:21

a type with a woman I really

40:24

admire. They're all older

40:26

and smarter

40:28

than me. are really good at neurotypical social

40:30

norms and seem cool,

40:32

but not in an annoying high

40:34

school cool girl kind

40:36

of way. Stacey is

40:38

straight, by the way, how do I

40:40

tell if this is an actual crush

40:43

or just admiration? My

40:44

first reaction is I'm wondering if you're normally

40:47

sexually attracted to men, perhaps you

40:49

just are really excited to

40:52

have met girl, you feel like you connect with on a deep

40:54

level. If there's nothing sexual there,

40:56

but you do have sexual feelings

40:58

towards men, Maybe

41:00

you're just like, damn, this person fucking rocks. It's

41:02

best friend, friend for life kind

41:04

of feelings that you're getting from this person.

41:07

Yeah. It's

41:07

possible. I think there can be such

41:10

a fine line. I don't

41:12

know if this is the right thing to say. I

41:14

think sometimes

41:16

with women.

41:17

The the line between

41:18

admiration and a crush,

41:20

I think, can be kind of blurry.

41:24

I don't know if anyone else, like Pam, I don't

41:26

know if you feel that way or discord if you

41:28

feel that way. But I

41:30

think sometimes it can be

41:33

a little bit tricky to

41:35

work out. But

41:37

it could be just like Andrew said,

41:39

it could be that you're just really

41:41

excited to have

41:44

another

41:44

woman who

41:45

can act as a friend and sounds like

41:47

maybe a mentor to you.

41:49

It could be that you're attracted to her, and

41:52

attraction doesn't necessarily always

41:54

mean sexual attraction. Yeah.

41:58

Like, I think that you can be into somebody

41:59

without wanting to jump their

42:02

bones. Yeah. I totally get what you

42:04

mean, especially because I think

42:06

it's just in general,

42:08

society has normalized. As much

42:10

as they normalize petting women against each

42:12

other, it's also very common and

42:15

normal for women to

42:17

complement each other. And

42:20

so as a result, I think that

42:22

we

42:22

are oftentimes more

42:24

allowed to behold beauty in a

42:27

way that men aren't traditionally allowed to

42:29

in society. And a really good example

42:31

of this is like the

42:33

drunk girl in the bathroom.

42:35

So it's like no big deal if you go

42:37

to somebody in the bathroom at a closet to

42:40

be like, oh my god. Like, if I saw Laura in the club

42:42

bathroom, it would not she wouldn't even

42:44

bat at eye if I said, oh my god. I love your

42:46

hair so much. Like, I just

42:48

think you're you are stunning, you are beautiful, you know,

42:50

like, man. And it it

42:52

wouldn't even, like, come across

42:54

as me hitting on you, would just be

42:56

like, oh,

42:58

like, Thank

42:58

you. That's so sweet. Like -- Yeah. -- you know? And then she would

43:01

be like, I love your dress and it's like

43:03

a it's like a big circle

43:05

jerk in the bathroom. Yep. Whereas I if I

43:07

did that in, like, a

43:09

normal bar, not a gay bar, the

43:11

guy would be,

43:13

like, gay. Right. stop

43:15

hitting on me. That's

43:16

unfortunate. But I think that,

43:19

like, even without the alcohol

43:21

or or, like, any drugs in your

43:23

system, it's also very

43:24

normal too. again, appreciate

43:26

beauty in whatever

43:28

form it comes in. And so I

43:29

think that that is why sometimes like you

43:31

said, there's kind of like this

43:33

fine line between like, a

43:36

sexual attraction and just like an

43:38

admiration for

43:39

somebody. Yeah. Like,

43:41

I am very comfortable if I see a

43:43

woman who I think is just like a

43:46

bombshell, she's hot. I

43:48

have no problem

43:50

saying that. but I

43:52

recognize for men, especially

43:54

cis straight men.

43:57

That's a different set of

43:59

rules that they feel

43:59

are applied to them

44:02

and what they can say and who they

44:04

can be

44:06

attracted to. I don't feel

44:08

boxed in in that

44:10

way.

44:10

Fortunately, Andrew, I'm wondering

44:13

if I can put you in the

44:15

hot seat here and ask if you've ever

44:17

been attracted to someone who is a different gender

44:19

from your sexual orientation, have you ever

44:21

been attracted to

44:24

a woman?

44:24

sexually attracted probably not. Though I will say, I

44:27

I've kind of gotten close

44:29

when sometimes as

44:32

gay guy you'll see

44:34

a person from a distance and

44:36

you might think that that person is a

44:38

guy, maybe because of the haircut,

44:40

maybe because of the

44:42

shape of their body, maybe because of what they're

44:44

wearing. And sometimes

44:46

I will see that person and be

44:48

like, oh, that person is attractive to

44:50

me. And then I get closer and

44:52

I realize that they're not

44:54

a man. And I'm like, okay.

44:57

I'm not sexually attractive. Attractive. Am

45:00

I still attracted to them?

45:02

Yeah. Am I suddenly thinking they're ugly?

45:04

No, of course. But I've

45:06

noticed I've caught myself doing

45:08

that plenty of times. Sorry if

45:10

that annoys anybody, but that's

45:12

just what goes on in

45:14

my brain. there's nothing wrong with

45:15

that as long as you're comfortable with it.

45:18

Right? Like -- Yeah. -- do you

45:19

feel open and free

45:21

that if you were

45:24

to approach that person more closely

45:25

and see like, oh, they're

45:28

not a man, but

45:29

I'm still super

45:30

into this person. Would you

45:33

feel comfortable with that? I think

45:36

that's the question. Into

45:37

them how? I mean,

45:38

any base level of attraction

45:40

doesn't have to be sexual.

45:43

I'll still look at that and be like, yeah, that's

45:45

a good looking person in my opinion. But

45:47

I the attraction will

45:50

be very different. And I'm a proud

45:52

gold star gate, by the way. And I

45:54

intend to keep it that way.

45:55

Gotta maintain that status. Yeah.

45:58

I

45:58

I can jump in here

45:59

and talk about my experience. So I'll preface

46:02

this by saying, I don't

46:04

know, anyone who's listened to us

46:05

for this long kudos

46:08

to you. back in

46:10

season one episode twenty

46:14

nine, we talked about our Kinsey

46:16

Scale scores. which

46:18

is it's an assessment you can

46:20

take that kind of helps to define

46:22

your levels of attraction to

46:26

different genders. The Kinsey

46:28

scale is like a one to a

46:30

five or is it a zero to

46:31

five? Don't

46:32

remember off the top of my head,

46:34

but I scored a two on the

46:36

Kinsey Scale at

46:37

the time, which is predominantly

46:40

heterosexual but

46:42

more than incidentally homosexual. And

46:44

I will say years later, I still

46:46

get it too. When I take

46:48

this assessment. It's

46:51

interesting because, like, I

46:53

think back

46:54

on scenarios in my life, and I wonder,

46:56

I'm like, did I have a crush on her and I

46:58

just didn't realize it at the time. Like, there's a very

47:00

vivid memory from my

47:02

childhood where I was friends

47:06

with this girl. And I think I had, like, a childhood

47:09

crush on her. I, like, talked about

47:11

her all the time

47:14

and always wanted to hang out

47:16

and I also got, like, jittery

47:18

when she wanted to hang out

47:20

with me. And I was like, oh

47:22

my god. How did I get so lucky that this really

47:24

cool person wants to hang out with me. And as a

47:26

child, you don't think anything of

47:28

that or sign anything to it, but I'm like,

47:30

I think I had a little crush on her.

47:34

maybe, you know, like, the kind of crush that

47:36

an eight year old has. Right?

47:38

But all of that is to say,

47:41

you know, all of my relationships have been

47:44

straight. And

47:46

I still identify as

47:49

straight because that's my only

47:52

experience, but I'm also really

47:54

comfortable embracing being

47:57

a

47:57

two. Yeah. If that makes sense.

47:59

these days.

47:59

And most people I've actually never

48:02

taken a Kinsey's scale test, but now

48:04

I'm kind of curious. Maybe I'll do that after the

48:06

show. But Yeah. Most people don't

48:08

score, like, really high one way or

48:10

the other. And isn't the whole point of

48:12

this test just to

48:14

show that sexuality

48:16

is fluid and -- Yeah. -- you know, this is kind of

48:18

where you get the whole, like, everyone's a little bit gay thing

48:20

even though it's probably a very problematic

48:22

language. But Right. Yeah.

48:24

I think the point is is that

48:26

everybody should

48:27

be comfortable in their sexuality

48:30

regardless of how

48:31

you identify and

48:33

it shouldn't weird you out to be like

48:36

that's an attractive lady if

48:38

you're also a baby or like that's an

48:40

attractive dude if you're

48:42

a dude. it doesn't make you

48:44

any less of what you are.

48:44

Yeah. I actually feel like it's it's

48:47

good in

48:48

in

48:49

my relationship because Mark

48:52

actually took the Kinsey

48:54

assessment with me because we were just curious.

48:56

And I'm not gonna speak for him

48:58

or his experience, but I

49:01

feel like, I don't know, as

49:03

a

49:03

couple, like, having done that

49:06

together and

49:08

talking about each other scores together.

49:11

I don't know. It just feels like we know more

49:13

about each other at this

49:15

point, and we just get to

49:17

have really open conversations. Like, if I

49:19

see somebody that I think is,

49:22

like, very, very attractive,

49:24

I feel

49:26

I feel totally comfortable saying that. Yeah.

49:29

Right? So

49:30

it's it's actually

49:31

been a good thing for

49:34

my relationship. Well, I thought we could

49:36

get into some responses

49:38

from our patrons. We asked our

49:40

patrons if they've ever experienced this

49:42

before over at patreon dot com

49:44

slash millennial. and I'll

49:46

kick it off here with

49:48

Kiana, who says, I don't know

49:50

what it is, but I had a mad

49:52

crush on LOE's

49:54

La Tascier. of Christine

49:56

and the Queen's for a while,

49:58

who I just also learned now

50:00

uses he, him pronouns. I

50:03

currently have a mild crush on Jesse May

50:06

Lee, which developed after she

50:08

cut her hair

50:10

over the summer, I'd say I'm, like, ninety percent straight.

50:12

But if you've got a jawline that can

50:14

cut glass and a

50:16

hairstyle that shows it off,

50:18

I'll probably all

50:20

in love with

50:21

you. Hell, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I the only

50:23

other example and I may have brought this up on

50:25

the show a while ago,

50:28

I have a Peloton bike. One of the nice things about the Peloton's

50:30

are the instructors. They they

50:32

do a really good job of casting the

50:35

right instructors. And there's this one,

50:37

Emma Lovewell. And when she stares into

50:39

the camera at you during a workout,

50:41

I feel things for her.

50:43

Like, that's she's turning me on in that

50:46

moment when she's making me push

50:48

harder. That's

50:50

the closest I've got. to being

50:53

buyer straight, I think. This next one

50:55

is from Sarah. In my early

50:57

college years, I made out with

50:59

a lot of women. even though

51:01

I considered myself straight. A couple years

51:04

later, I made an offhand comment to

51:06

a friend about my attraction to

51:08

celebrities being bisexual. and she asked if I

51:10

ever considered I was bisexual.

51:12

And truth is I hadn't. I

51:14

didn't realize you could like the same gender until

51:16

middle school and even then if like everyone was

51:18

only attracted to one gender. I

51:20

currently identify as bisexual, but I'm

51:22

exploring that I might be

51:24

bromantic and

51:26

asexual. by romantic is not a term that I've heard a lot. So

51:28

I did look into it a little more today,

51:30

and that's when you can

51:32

be attracted to two

51:36

genders but you aren't necessarily

51:38

sexually attracted to both of

51:40

them. So getting back to the original

51:44

confessional writer, I would

51:46

explore if you

51:48

might be by romantic based on

51:50

what you've said to us so far. It

51:52

seems like you fit in the

51:55

description of somebody who is biromantic. Jamima says I

51:57

only

51:57

dated women up until I was

51:59

about twenty seven than I

52:01

met this random guy in a club when I was overseas

52:03

and we made out. I was really

52:06

surprised by how attracted I was to him

52:08

because I'd never felt anything for

52:10

men before. I was

52:12

like, that's interesting and filed it

52:14

away for future reference. Then

52:16

three months later, when COVID came

52:18

along and I had a whole year sitting around to think

52:20

about myself lull. I came to the conclusion that perhaps I am

52:22

bisexual. I changed my

52:24

settings on Tinder just to see what it was like

52:26

to date

52:28

guys. then ended up of a

52:30

few months later. That's

52:32

a beautiful story.

52:33

Yeah. And

52:36

then Nick Cole to wrap

52:38

us up here, Nicole says,

52:40

I, a cis woman,

52:42

had always identified a straight

52:44

but when my best friend who's also a cis woman came out as bi a

52:47

few years ago and made me question

52:49

my own orientation, I

52:52

happily married to a cis man. So

52:54

at the time, I thought it didn't really

52:56

matter how I identified

52:58

since I didn't want to change

53:00

a relationship. and I pushed those

53:02

feelings back down. I

53:04

later decided to claim it and

53:06

come out to my husband and then

53:09

my friend as by. even though I

53:11

wasn't sure if the label fit. I had the classic thoughts of

53:13

wondering if I was by enough and

53:15

I didn't want to take up space when I

53:17

was in a hetero face relationship,

53:20

but I later came to realize

53:22

how affirming it is to acknowledge

53:24

that piece of myself and give

53:26

myself permission to feel. However, I

53:29

wanna feel without making up excuses

53:31

for why I might be attracted

53:33

to women. I feel much more vibrant

53:35

and alive now and my relationship with

53:38

my husband is a strong as

53:40

ever. It's

53:41

amazing. That's beautiful

53:42

too. All of these stories are

53:44

just gorgeous. Yeah. When you

53:46

get something off, your chest like that

53:48

in a relationship, it can be a huge relief.

53:50

And then you finally feel like you're living your

53:52

true self, and that just does nothing

53:54

but improve your relationship. Well,

53:57

it can really improve your relationship.

54:00

Cool. Well, thanks to the four of

54:02

you, plus the confessional writer

54:04

who shared

54:06

that story. So to wrap up today's episode, one, let's do a quick we're

54:08

calling spicy Biden watch.

54:10

Maybe also Dark Brandon Watch

54:12

is a good alternate title for

54:16

this. So couple things

54:18

on my radar. Dark

54:20

Brandon helped avert a

54:22

major railroad strike

54:24

last week. A tentative

54:26

agreement was reached on Thursday

54:28

between rail companies and their workers with the

54:30

Biden administration working to help come to a

54:32

deal. A railroad strike would have been

54:34

a big deal. That

54:36

would have just had major economic

54:38

consequences given that we use

54:40

trains to transport a lot of

54:42

goods in this country. in around the world,

54:44

of course. It could have caused

54:46

further inflation and certainly

54:48

supply chain shortages and

54:50

god knows we've had enough of that

54:53

this year. So it would have been really terrible

54:55

news for the everyday American, and it

54:57

just would have been terrible news for

54:59

the midterms. So Biden

55:02

really is taking credit

55:04

here, and I'm inclined to

55:06

believe the administration because

55:08

from what I've been reading, his

55:10

administration was working really hard

55:12

beyond the scenes helping with negotiations. Good job, Dark Brandon.

55:15

We're proud of you. Fox News

55:17

really didn't know what to

55:18

do with this development. I think they

55:22

were expecting the

55:22

strike to go through? Yes. I saw

55:24

a really good tweet on that. Fox News

55:26

is funny this morning because they clearly

55:29

had a ton of programming centered around Biden's failure to

55:31

prevent the railroad strike. But then this morning,

55:33

Biden prevented the railroad strike. So now they

55:35

are talking about the pudding

55:37

served in Amtrak Cafe cars. They

55:40

gotta they gotta have something

55:41

to fear

55:44

monger over also wanted to point

55:46

out this has been a few weeks at this

55:48

point. We just haven't gotten a chance to

55:50

acknowledge it, but Biden had a

55:52

pretty fiery speech a few weeks

55:54

ago in which he referred to and

55:56

this was definitely a

55:58

pearl clutching moment for clutching

56:01

moment for

56:01

Trump supporters. and

56:03

Republicans alike who

56:06

don't

56:06

want to admit the

56:10

affiliation with, you know, between Trump

56:12

and fascism magga and

56:14

fascism. So I I

56:16

appreciated it. I was like, yes, we need

56:18

more of this. Let's get

56:19

more spicy Biden, more

56:21

dark branded Biden. I'm all about

56:23

it. In brighter news, today, day we're recording is actually

56:26

national voter

56:28

registration day. I normally hate

56:30

days like these that are, you know, people

56:32

just decide and proclaim

56:34

with like no authority, but

56:36

this is a good one. Voter registration

56:38

deadlines are approaching. So go to vote dot gov

56:41

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56:43

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56:46

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56:48

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58:08

for some recommendations. I wanna

58:11

recommend a new show on

58:14

FX, The Patience. It

58:16

stars Steve Carell and

58:18

Domhal Gleeson. Steve Carell

58:20

plays a therapist who is kidnapped

58:23

by one of his patients, down hall. This

58:26

patient is a serial

58:28

killer. It's a half hour

58:30

drama, which is

58:32

pretty unique, So it doesn't get stretched out annoyingly.

58:34

They're they're very quick

58:36

episodes. And here's something

58:38

about this show that I'm like,

58:41

kinda shaking me to

58:43

my core. The serial

58:45

killer loves Dunkin'

58:48

Donuts, hot coffee, size,

58:50

extra large. That's my

58:52

order at Dunkin' extra

58:54

large hot coffee. He's always

58:56

holding an extra large hot Dunkin'

58:59

Donuts cup. Andrew.

59:00

Is it feeling a little close to home?

59:02

Well, I'm

59:03

like, shit. This is being

59:05

an immaterial killer. Why is

59:07

he always holding I feel like this

59:09

is gonna come into play at some point.

59:12

I'm waiting for the therapist to

59:14

say, why

59:14

are you always holding a hot coffee? I

59:16

feel like Steve Krause is gonna be like, dude,

59:18

let go of the coffee, and you'll stop having

59:20

a desire to kill people. Is he using a

59:23

coffee sleeve? Or is he's

59:25

just handing it. No. Because

59:27

we don't get coffee

59:29

sleeves. Like, we do a Starbucks yet.

59:31

You still comfortably hold

59:33

your cup. Right? Or is part of that you need to

59:35

suffer for for the drink? Oh, so you're

59:38

saying his hands getting so hot and it's like

59:40

stressing him out and then he wants to kill people?

59:42

Yeah. If

59:42

he was just holding a hot cup of coffee without

59:44

batting an eyelash. I might also, you

59:47

know, start

59:47

putting two or two together, but

59:50

It is cracking me up. That and

59:53

Well,

59:53

I won't spoil it, but it's cracking me up

59:55

how much they they they feature that damn

59:57

coffee. It's gotta play into the story line

59:59

at

59:59

some point. We're also gonna be really disappointed. Or

1:00:02

Duncan's just as an

1:00:04

advertiser. No, man. I

1:00:06

hope it's not just I didn't tell that, buddy. It did

1:00:08

have

1:00:08

a prominent

1:00:10

part in the

1:00:11

show. Steve Carell is above that. He's

1:00:13

a sophisticated actor these days. He wouldn't

1:00:15

go for that cheap ass

1:00:18

product placement

1:00:20

So

1:00:20

anyway, check out that show. The patient is really good. Well speaking of

1:00:22

cheap ass product placement, I

1:00:24

wanted to recommend maybe

1:00:27

a a more basic item

1:00:29

to have in your household, Apple cider

1:00:32

vinegar. I don't know if any

1:00:33

of y'all use this with any

1:00:35

kind of regularity. I

1:00:37

really like this stuff because you can cook

1:00:40

with it, like, you

1:00:42

can

1:00:42

clean with it, and it's

1:00:45

a natural thing that you can use. I personally really like

1:00:47

using it to,

1:00:50

you know, pour down the drain

1:00:52

in the kitchen or in the bathroom

1:00:55

because it helps feel a little more fresh. You know, sometimes

1:00:58

your drain can start to smell a

1:01:00

little bit after a while if

1:01:02

you haven't. run a

1:01:04

cleaning cycle or anything on it. And this is

1:01:06

just an easy way to give it a refresh.

1:01:08

Like I said, you can also

1:01:10

ingest it if that's something you wanna do.

1:01:12

Some people believe that it has

1:01:15

health benefits to

1:01:17

take. So if you

1:01:19

think that might be of interest if you can definitely look that up.

1:01:21

I don't wanna give any kind of like medical

1:01:24

health advice here, but I

1:01:26

really do

1:01:28

like it for cleaning and you can get

1:01:30

pretty big quantities of

1:01:32

it for

1:01:33

cheap at Costco.

1:01:34

So if you

1:01:37

have a Costco membership, you can get one of those big,

1:01:39

like, three packs of vitals, Apple cider

1:01:41

vinegar, and it doesn't go

1:01:44

bad. So you'll have it around for as long as you need it. I

1:01:46

wanted to recommend

1:01:47

Sally Hansen's dry and go

1:01:50

drops for any of you out there

1:01:52

who

1:01:52

like to

1:01:54

paint your nails at home like I do. These

1:01:56

are so nifty. Definitely works best

1:01:58

if you do thin coats

1:01:59

like you're

1:02:01

supposed to. but I'm also guilty of doing thicker coats of deal polish.

1:02:03

I don't blame you if that's you as well. But,

1:02:06

yeah, these are really great. You just wait, like,

1:02:08

sixty seconds after you

1:02:10

put your top coat on, and

1:02:12

then you do one or

1:02:14

two drops of these on each

1:02:16

nail. And your nails will definitely be

1:02:18

dry to the touch. in about, like, five

1:02:20

minutes after this. I would still

1:02:22

be a little bit careful like don't

1:02:24

go doing extreme activities

1:02:26

with your nails. but it is gonna cut down the

1:02:29

drying time overall. So it's a

1:02:31

nice little sense of security. And

1:02:33

if you're impatient, for your nails to

1:02:35

dry, then this might good alternative for you

1:02:36

to try out as well. Alright. Well, thanks

1:02:38

everybody for

1:02:39

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