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with the hillside strangler and night stalker

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murders three ,

1:02

killers who wreak havoc in california

1:04

during the early for the does love

1:07

this season we look north to

1:09

kings county washington state this

1:12

, to of the most notorious

1:14

serial killers and american history began

1:17

their rains of terror

1:19

had bundy and gary richmond

1:22

you deception the prey on young women

1:25

using the vast terrain to dump their bodies

1:28

and they did it almost one hundred times

1:31

between them

1:31

maybe more

1:33

how is this possible as we

1:35

have seen in our previous seasons serial

1:38

killers tend to get caught soon after the

1:40

number of victims reaches double digits

1:43

but not here not with

1:45

these two

1:47

i want to know why

1:49

i'm doctor michelle ward and this is mind

1:51

of a monster season three had

1:54

bundy and the green river tiller episode

1:56

one one serial killer

1:58

follows another

2:07

washington state's biggest city seattle

2:10

is

2:10

it can kill me

2:12

and as as picturesque as again it's

2:14

a beautiful day surrounded by stunning

2:16

mountains lakes and dense forest

2:19

it's hard to imagine how such an idyllic

2:21

location could give rise the

2:24

not one but two prolific

2:26

serial killers the get a feel

2:28

for the place i talk to twenty seven year

2:30

seattle pd veteran and homicide detective

2:33

ralph norton, ross, tell

2:35

else was growing up in the

2:37

pacific northwest the

2:39

seattle area,

2:40

the

2:45

radar seattle was a big and we

2:47

had the world's hearing in the sixties

2:49

but i think the rest of the country looked

2:51

at this area's been not part of the

2:54

alaska the suburbs were very

2:56

undeveloped his more country and and farm

2:58

like and there was a cabin innocence

3:01

about this location but at

3:03

the same time there were some dark

3:05

things going on in the background

3:10

today seattle is synonymous with some

3:13

of the biggest most companies

3:15

in america microsoft and

3:17

amazon are headquartered the but

3:19

at dawn of 1970s those

3:21

tech companies didn't accept the

3:24

county is reliant on boeing for

3:26

tens of thousands of jobs and

3:28

by 1971 the boeing bust

3:30

has put 86000 workers

3:33

on the street in three years, i

3:35

pick up with former king county sheriff's

3:37

office, chief of investigations faye

3:39

brooks about what it was like at

3:41

the time

3:42

different and then it is now in

3:45

the seventies and eighties ill

3:47

people were for me much more trusting

3:49

i mean i remember when i first ah

3:52

data college and in

3:54

bellingham washington week suicide

3:56

all the time and didn't think anything

3:58

of that was with the culture

4:01

was back then

4:02

that sounds like a place of extremes industrial

4:05

urban areas manufacturing airplanes

4:08

right up against rural farmlands forests

4:10

and wide open space i

4:12

catch up with new york times best seller and

4:14

authors ted in an rebecca

4:16

morris to ask how women sit into

4:18

this the stream howard

4:21

who you are and what your relationship is

4:23

to the ted bundy case well

4:25

i'm rebecca morris i live in seattle i

4:27

grew up in oregon i didn't

4:30

know that i was going to become a true crime

4:32

author i was one of the earliest

4:34

women in radio and television on the west

4:36

coast in for

4:37

one and so got my

4:39

start their start their researching

4:41

his story for the seattle times then

4:43

i found this case about an eight

4:45

year old tacoma washington girl

4:48

who had vanished in

4:50

nineteen sixty one there

4:52

was a mere that ,

4:54

might have been ted bundy's for september

4:57

when , fourteen years old that's

4:59

would throw me under true crime rate and

5:02

you've hit on something that really resonates

5:05

there's a strong belief that scores

5:07

of bundy and ridgeway victims have never

5:09

been identified i wanna bring

5:11

it

5:11

the

5:13

what washington state like for

5:15

women in the seventies it was a

5:17

time of real opportunity for young women

5:20

because of women's liberation

5:22

and it was was when

5:25

women were going to law school and medical school

5:27

and universities in record

5:29

numbers and bbc save

5:32

time and safe to be

5:33

working on campuses at night

5:35

it was just a time when

5:38

everything seemed possible

5:48

hearing about the carefree environment

5:50

and positive changes for women makes

5:52

ted bundy's evil and cruz and even more

5:54

upsetting

5:56

to understand the climate

5:58

of fear that bundy and bridge

5:59

they brought to king county i have to

6:02

start at ground zero the disappearance

6:04

of college student linda and healy

6:06

and several wary of nineteen seventy four

6:09

linda lived here in this greenhouse and

6:11

the university district along with five

6:13

other university students she

6:15

was last seen here thursday evening

6:17

about twelve o'clock every few least

6:20

in the disperse i'm linda really we

6:22

have not ruled out any case of

6:24

foul play here however the room

6:27

was very neat and was no signs

6:29

of foul play in the room accept some

6:31

blood on the pillow and heathery on the

6:33

seat so for lenders bed

6:35

linda disappearance it comes

6:37

wheatley out of character

6:38

a dedicated hard working psychology

6:41

major and she give the morning ski report

6:43

for local radio station

6:45

police interviews and searches go nowhere

6:48

in the case goes cold

6:50

over the next few months five more

6:52

young female students go missing the

6:55

on a manson

6:56

susan ran court

6:58

brenda

6:59

happy park and your jan

7:02

[unk] hawkins all vanish without

7:04

a trail walking alone

7:06

after dark

7:07

six disappearances and five months

7:10

this is uncharted territory in the pacific

7:13

northwest police and public

7:15

alike don't know what to do that

7:17

a single body has been found and people

7:19

are scared it's

7:22

about to get worse in

7:24

july nineteen seventy four

7:25

the bundy take things to

7:27

a whole new level

7:29

that with the disappearance of the ottoman as

7:31

when girls on the same day from the same

7:33

state park in the first indications that

7:36

a male subject was involved still

7:38

a forty thousand people out here on that day

7:40

and some of them are karma genocide had been

7:42

asked by a good looking young man wearing an

7:44

arm tests to help promote a sailboat

7:46

on the car in a parking lot beyond

7:49

i remember when

7:51

one force went was looking for somebody

7:53

named cat because when

7:56

he abducted

7:56

the two young women from

7:59

latest ma'am

7:59

you're nineteen seventy four

8:02

he actually said his name

8:04

him some young women at the

8:06

park he said i'm ted the disappearances

8:09

happened with out of

8:10

right or an argument

8:11

the handsome man mint head is king

8:13

county law enforcement's first big break

8:15

in the game

8:16

and the last

8:18

i want to know what made him so brazen how

8:21

did he know he would get away with these vile crimes

8:23

in broad daylight among forty

8:25

thousand witnesses rebecca

8:28

more as continues ted was

8:30

attractive and

8:33

educated and you

8:35

know he posed but he could be charismatic

8:38

and young women we're

8:40

interested in him he picked to college

8:43

students almost all them were

8:46

college coeds and

8:48

very rarely did he go into

8:50

a building key very much operated

8:53

near his v w luring

8:56

a girl into his car to help him

8:58

with something

8:59

the arm cast at lake some amis

9:02

and asking girls to have lowered

9:04

his boat

9:04

the car

9:06

that what you mean by luring a girl to help him or something

9:09

that's crutches yeah plus repairs

9:11

because

9:11

he would wear a fake cast

9:13

on his arm to

9:15

he learned that in psychology class

9:17

of the university of washington if you

9:19

look vulnerable people will stop agility

9:22

and he was a psychology major in

9:24

his final interviews before being executed

9:27

had blending chillingly talked about

9:29

using one of these deceptions to appear

9:32

vulnerable and the were a victim to his

9:34

car this club this from

9:36

that

9:36

no interview i can't

9:38

remember what do you know the week it was

9:41

thursday night i believe i don't know eleven

9:44

to twelve or we closer to twelve

9:47

hawk i was in l

9:49

away

9:50

i was moving

9:53

up the alley

9:54

using a a a briefcase

9:57

and some crutches and the young woman

9:59

walked down

10:01

so i saw her around the north

10:03

end of walk into the alley

10:05

that's not our moving and

10:07

then keep on walking down the alley talk about

10:10

halfway down the block i encountered and

10:13

after to help me carry the briefcase

10:16

what she did it we walk up the alley across

10:18

the street turn right on

10:20

the sidewalks midway in the blah for

10:22

you to be a and i'm on those

10:24

parking lots parking was to make them burn down

10:27

houses in that area since area parking lot

10:29

of dirt surface no

10:31

like i'm a coward

10:41

the idea of eight young

10:43

women disappearing in the same city

10:46

without a trace is hard

10:48

to believe now

10:50

much of that life was like in the seventies

10:52

is the same today if we drive cars on the same

10:54

rose we watched the in the evening we

10:57

get takeout food

10:58

the technology has changed the way

11:00

we do our thing

11:02

yeah seattle pd from side to

11:04

them ralph lauren what's the fundamental

11:06

difference that makes these killing sprees so

11:09

hard to wrap your head around mom the what

11:11

technology that exchange investigation

11:13

more than anything else is

11:15

uplift ration of video

11:17

cameras and the availability of video

11:20

and how it

11:22

is the fulcrum of nearly

11:25

three homicide the we

11:27

investigate now especially ones that

11:29

occurred outside in urban areas

11:31

near you look at grieve a killer you look at ted

11:33

bundy

11:34

they both would have been on video coming and going

11:37

and leaving and going and we

11:39

would have video and within hours responding

11:41

to crime scene and that's what we see today

11:43

you are going to be seen if this

11:46

if this captured you are going to be seen in

11:48

a com you're going

11:49

that such an excellent point and

11:52

we also have videos and oliver front

11:54

doors now with the doorbell apps

11:56

everything seems to be reported

11:59

yeah i think

11:59

this specifically with bundy

12:02

just a few weeks ago we had a burglar

12:04

and the university district neighborhood

12:07

that was trying to break into several houses

12:09

on the same night probably somebody and crisis

12:12

but within one hour of the police

12:14

response we had all these door

12:16

videos

12:17

back in the seventies and eighties this technology

12:19

wasn't available like it is now and

12:21

burundian ridgeway weren't stealing they were killed

12:24

yeah for sure

12:27

the word is that both you and seattle

12:29

police are proceeding on the assumption

12:32

that there are more bodies out here that perhaps

12:34

maybe even all the girls might be years

12:36

at a heroic assumption well

12:39

that's probably as we keep finding

12:41

more and more every day is it in that

12:43

words and you just don't know what's in there is so

12:45

thick so overgrown with vs

12:48

into you could find anything you know couple

12:50

hours from now five minutes remaining as

12:52

men

12:54

seattle's summer of fear and nineteen

12:56

seventy four cools skeletal

12:58

remains as sand and woods near

13:00

discipline and september seven

13:02

relief and king county public the

13:04

discoveries confirmed their worst fears

13:08

two bodies are identified as janice

13:10

art and a nice naslund sun

13:12

lakes some am est the

13:14

third is only partial remains

13:16

of georgia and hawkins who vanished from

13:18

the the alley behind her sorority house

13:21

no longer just a case of girls gone

13:23

missing is concerned that been

13:26

taken

13:27

killed strength and the

13:29

bodies are being mutilated

13:30

i ask rebecca morris how attitudes

13:32

changed at the time

13:33

when me abductions like some

13:36

ambition

13:37

occurred in the

13:38

summer of nineteen seventy four

13:41

it would have still been a reporter in

13:43

portland we were becoming aware

13:45

that there were

13:46

the rulers

13:47

working the seattle the oregon

13:50

highway route and knowing

13:52

that that's also about the time when

13:54

i was

13:55

my current downturn portland stopped

13:57

at a street signs in sunday try

13:59

to get my

13:59

that's when i learned

14:02

to lock my car

14:04

doors before i ever left

14:06

my street my garage and

14:09

to this day

14:10

no matter what

14:11

i lock my car doors i also

14:13

had an acquaintance who

14:15

polian to a gas station

14:18

in , we pump her own tests but

14:20

in oregon you don't and the

14:22

attendant said we're would you either need to come

14:25

inside and there's something wrong with your credit cards

14:28

and she went inside and he said there's a man

14:30

in your back seats and

14:33

may have saved her life that day

14:35

so you know those things

14:37

were beginning the shared an

14:40

have known about

14:42

seattle just as suddenly

14:44

as the abduction started

14:46

it again

14:48

then the next to the citizens of king county

14:50

ted bundy has accepted a place to study

14:53

at law school in salt lake city utah well

14:56

a fresh start in a new state quell

14:58

has urged to kill

14:59

or

15:01

the new city with no fear mean a blank

15:03

canvas to start all over again the

15:06

get a picture of ted's mindset arriving

15:08

in utah i talked to larry anderson

15:11

who welcomed them into his

15:13

the mormon friends

15:14

i met bundy when i was twenty

15:17

four twenty get twenty three

15:19

twenty four i was a

15:21

member of a university of utah

15:24

student church ward

15:27

and at the time my

15:29

roommate were also what

15:31

you would call at that time steak

15:34

miss sinners got it

15:36

okay so tell me more about how you

15:38

met him

15:39

you're a steak missionary

15:41

the winner stake there would have

15:43

been

15:44

thousand university of utah

15:47

students and we were called to

15:49

be steak miss sinners

15:51

so we would preach or

15:53

teach people then all

15:55

of those different student wars

15:58

which in salt lake city com

15:59

the

16:00

all of the upper avenues

16:03

which included were ted live that we didn't

16:05

know ted at the time we had

16:07

decided to have a of

16:09

this will sound silly to anybody who's not

16:12

a mormon but

16:13

the door not saturday to

16:15

find all of our inactive students

16:17

that were coming to church and

16:19

and we used our state missionaries

16:22

to do that they were ten of us and

16:25

four of those were sisters but

16:27

sisters are not allowed to teach

16:29

a single man right

16:32

or may not dawn bundy store

16:34

and he invited a man or wanted to hear

16:36

more about the church they

16:38

immediately came to turn tad

16:40

over to us because they couldn't teaching

16:43

and that's how we met ted

16:45

bundy and so we began to teach

16:47

him missionary lessons about the church

16:49

of jesus christ of latter day saints

16:52

and he showed an ,

16:54

interest very deeply was

16:56

in of the artist well

16:58

now that i'm seventy two and

17:00

know ted bundy's background i

17:02

would say it was most likely a scam

17:05

on his side but back then we

17:07

took him very serious he studied

17:10

he read the book of mormon he prayed with

17:12

us he had all the answers to our

17:14

questions when we would meet the second

17:16

time or third time and he couldn't have done that

17:18

to be had to the study

17:20

what could have gotten out of this

17:22

you know psychopaths like ted bundy are incredibly

17:25

goal driven people and

17:27

if he wasn't sincere now that

17:29

we know more about him we know he probably wasn't

17:31

would you think was his goal

17:33

well again looking back i

17:36

firmly believe that his role

17:38

was and and amity and to get

17:41

into a group of single people single

17:43

mean we were all single no one merry

17:46

go to these mormon wars you have

17:48

to be single and a student

17:50

at the university of utah and

17:53

in a mormon ward there were always

17:55

more women than guys

17:58

the always wow i mean you

17:59

no idea you're giving him the

18:02

perfect

18:02

the and maybe even introducing

18:04

him to victims

18:05

is so

18:07

the for that

18:08

friends so tell me about your good

18:10

memories that had been

18:11

i must tell you how

18:13

i have no bad members

18:16

dad was a very gregarious

18:18

friendly outgoing cormac

18:21

cook very friendly to

18:23

us a jokester very

18:25

articulate that part in

18:27

all of our parties and dinners and get togethers

18:30

and when you're a single mormon guy looking

18:32

for a wise you have a lot of parties where

18:34

you ask a lot of girls me and

18:37

so we had this big house up in the

18:39

avenues of salt lake city there were

18:41

five of us that lived in that house

18:43

every one of them were returned mormon missionaries

18:46

and we had parties every week where

18:48

we invited differ girls

18:51

and once we met ted that

18:53

was part of all that

18:54

will be unusual did he behaves

18:56

differently from the other gentlemen

18:58

no no in fact he was a handsome

19:00

looking guy the girls like

19:02

the ever inappropriate with them

19:04

no not unless they never

19:06

told us and i i believe

19:08

they would have told us when you're you're talking

19:12

a bunch of religious females you

19:14

know who he probably didn't mess around

19:16

with you know what i mean and he would then

19:19

my inappropriate to any other i'm

19:21

sure we will not

19:27

listening to larry described the

19:29

ted bundy he knew and salt lake city

19:31

the picture he pays his other

19:33

the buoyant believable actor

19:36

had seems able to deceive

19:38

a room full of people week in

19:41

week out at larry's pretty

19:43

keep an open act has got to be hard

19:46

work

19:47

one enough heads mask ever slept

19:49

did he give larry any hint he wasn't

19:52

always seem to be

19:53

there any stories that stood out

19:55

for you when you are spending all this time with him

19:57

tell i did a lot together

19:59

and we had decided to go

20:02

snow skiing in vale

20:04

colorado and he was supposed to pick

20:06

me up i was standing on the curb of

20:08

our house and eleventh avenue and he drove

20:10

up in his volkswagen and said

20:13

laurie i just want some time

20:15

alone can i

20:16

fuck off i'll just go along

20:18

though he on invited me to go i

20:20

didn't go and of course history tells

20:23

us that that's money the older couple

20:25

girls over in colorado

20:28

on march fifteenth nineteen seventy

20:30

five julie cunningham the

20:33

instructor in vale colorado heads

20:35

down to a local tavern to meet her roommate

20:37

who's already out for the night the

20:40

we have never seen again along

20:42

with karen campbell and a nice oliver

20:44

sense make up a trio

20:46

of murders bundy commits on his road

20:48

trips into colorado hindsight

20:51

last larry with any other haunting experiences

20:53

of ted bundy

20:54

well when the newspapers

20:56

started to publish about the murders

20:58

up in washington state and then

21:00

there were a couple incidents here in utah

21:03

salt lake tribune and the deseret

21:05

news published a composite

21:08

picture

21:08

what they felt that ted

21:11

murderer looked like and they got

21:13

that composite picture from the young

21:15

lady who escaped out of ten

21:18

smokes like and your new top we

21:20

had a big dinner party probably

21:23

the wait they publish that paper and

21:25

it was and ted's partner so after

21:27

dinner there must have been six

21:30

of us probably we were been

21:32

macho talking about what

21:34

we would do to this tad guy

21:37

we caught

21:38

oh my gosh

21:39

and we took the composite picture

21:42

we held it up to the side of each one

21:44

of us and then pass it around the

21:46

room and we laughed at thought it

21:48

was so funny that one of my boyhood

21:51

friends his first name was allen we

21:53

thought it looked just like out

21:55

you thought it looked like alan

21:57

yeah who never did

21:59

it didn't look

21:59

the me it would like dog

22:02

barry

22:02

it looked like it did not look

22:05

like still doesn't look like

22:07

get when you look at that composite picture

22:09

you don't see dead but i

22:11

don't know

22:12

you see allen that's

22:14

really yeah and so we

22:16

got laughing about the horrible things

22:19

we were due to this guy if we caught him

22:21

and bundy sad and

22:23

this is almost a verbal quote

22:25

even after all of these years i

22:27

know how a guy would

22:29

get away with this and so a discussion

22:32

erupted about okay said howard

22:34

a guy do it and he said i

22:36

served on the governor's crime commission

22:39

in the state of washington and we discovered

22:42

that if a criminal kidnapped a

22:44

girl in one city

22:46

or county disposed of her

22:48

closer than a second or third

22:51

murder in a different one and

22:53

put her body force that

22:55

none of those county police or

22:57

city police or state police

23:00

communicated with each other so

23:02

that's how someone could get away with oh

23:05

my gosh

23:13

almost as soon as he arrives in utah

23:16

young women began to go missing around salt

23:18

lake city and in neighboring colorado

23:21

ten more women are brutally

23:23

murder

23:23

the for a chance encounter brings

23:26

his second killing spree to an end

23:28

on august sixteen nineteen seventy

23:30

five utah highway patrol

23:32

trooper robert hayward is sitting

23:34

in his cruiser finishing paper work outside

23:36

his home three am he

23:39

notices bundy's notices bundy's fab

23:41

drive by the thinks nothing

23:43

of it until a few minutes later when

23:45

is called for assistance

23:46

the regular

23:47

hey we're takes a wrong turn on the way to the

23:49

incident and stumbles across the feet up you

23:52

again parked outside a neighbor's

23:54

house hayward knows that

23:56

his neighbors are on vacation but their teenage

23:58

daughters are home alone to

24:00

b w takes us and after

24:02

a brief

24:03

they pulled over for dating police

24:06

the driver is ted bundy

24:08

the discovery of handcuffs as a

24:10

mass a crowbar an an ice

24:12

pick in his car arouses enough

24:14

suspicion to land him in jail the

24:17

suspected

24:18

burglar

24:19

theodore bundy was arrested in salt lake

24:21

city in august nineteen seventy five that

24:23

seemed like a minor story he'd

24:25

been driving a radically in trying to elude a policeman

24:28

that his volkswagen beetle jog some memories

24:31

volkswagen had been reported at the scene of some

24:33

mysterious disappearances in washington

24:35

state the year before monday lived

24:37

in washington until late nineteen seventy four

24:40

building a promising career in politics

24:42

at the same time he came to law school in salt lake

24:45

city young ladies began to disappear

24:47

in utah the all or at least a half

24:49

a dozen cases in washington and five

24:51

and utah all of the victims were young

24:53

for a dark haired woman

24:55

finally behind

24:56

hi

24:57

this is a puzzle began falling into

24:59

place for law enforcement they

25:02

start to link him to the killings in colorado

25:05

and crucially to an attempted kidnapping

25:07

and salt lake city his back against

25:10

the wall he calls his best friend in

25:12

utah for help

25:13

so i get a phone calls i'm

25:16

at my office and he says hey

25:18

i need to the do me a favor i said

25:20

okay she said i'm in the county

25:22

jail they've arrested me speaking

25:24

i'm the ted murderer and i started

25:27

to laugh i should come on

25:29

monday the know i'm really in

25:31

the county jail i said okay

25:34

he said i need you to smuggle some money

25:36

and to me now this is gonna make me look very

25:38

stupid but it's true i'm he

25:40

said i need to the go get some five

25:43

dollar bills on well roll

25:46

them up as tight as you can and

25:48

put them around the

25:50

inside of your cheek between your cheek

25:53

and your tips and come down to

25:55

the jail i put you on my list

25:57

and they're gonna inspect you and your

26:00

going to open your mouth or they won't see that

26:02

money that are between your teeth and your lips

26:04

because they want for your lips back and

26:06

i did that wow it worked

26:09

for sure

26:12

september nineteen seventy six ted

26:15

, is in jail taken

26:17

county the second of her to

26:19

serial killers is also going through a life

26:21

changing event gary

26:24

ridgeway welcomes the sun into the world

26:26

age twenty six gary is now on his

26:28

second marriage after serving in the navy

26:31

during the vietnam war a ,

26:33

all american guy flying under the

26:35

radar no one in america has

26:37

any idea of the amount of devastation

26:40

he's about to unleash back

26:42

to utah and ted bundy's

26:44

tuition is going from bad to worse

26:47

carol difference the amount of a police line

26:49

up the man who tried to kidnap her from

26:51

a shopping mall almost a year earlier

26:54

fighting her way out of it vw beetle

26:57

carol not only escapes near certain death

26:59

she becomes the perfect witness true

27:03

and is convicted of aggravated kidnapping

27:05

and gets a one to fifteen year jail sentence

27:08

he arrives at utah state prison on march

27:10

first nineteen seventy six hi

27:13

i'm larry anderson is this is where

27:15

he draws a line through his friendship attack

27:19

that when we still think is

27:21

innocent and i'm on his visitors

27:23

list and i was moving

27:26

to southern california a missile

27:28

be chilling the somebody like you showing

27:30

the me to this very day i was

27:32

put in a room with ted bundy

27:34

and the maximum security section

27:37

of utah state prison

27:39

that was asked

27:40

add rivets where they had put the steel

27:43

plates together in the room there was

27:45

a steel ,

27:47

table in the middle of the room and

27:49

i sat on one side of the table until

27:51

on the other knew there was no

27:53

wall you no no no telephone

27:55

like you see in movies see reached over

27:57

and hugged him when i got there we

28:00

got talk

28:01

the

28:02

i said

28:04

are you guilty in he said

28:06

hell no when he said

28:08

by the way i don't watch the turn around

28:11

that right behind your head the

28:13

upper part of the ceiling of this

28:15

room that that and i

28:18

have learned that the prisoners built

28:20

this section of the prison for helped

28:22

also am i know that

28:24

apply lost enough weight mrs

28:26

whispers basically the mightier i

28:30

could crawl out that been and it's an

28:32

escape from prison

28:33

i never

28:35

hold the word and or anybody about

28:37

that conversation because i by ted

28:40

bundy

28:40

was innocent

28:41

while bundy sits in jail authorities

28:44

in aspen colorado add to his

28:45

trouble

28:46

now bringing charges of murder against

28:48

him

28:49

it looks like the end of the road for ted bundy that

28:52

he has other ideas

28:54

invented kidnapper ted bundy was in

28:56

as been arguing emotion relating to a

28:58

first degree murder trial slated for november

29:01

a , university of utah law students

29:03

defending himself on charges he kills

29:05

karen campbell was he was vacationing

29:07

here two years ago ago

29:09

a recess and the hearing bundy was allowed

29:12

to go to the law library at the rear of the

29:14

court room on the second floor of the pets

29:16

and county courthouse their

29:18

, untapped bundy went

29:20

to the window and left to stories

29:22

to freedom

29:23

if i were watching a movie and someone

29:26

jumped from a second floor window to escape

29:28

i'd roma as it is so outrageous

29:31

actually happen

29:33

there were even dance in the line below where

29:35

he hit the ground six

29:37

days later days later o'clock in the mornings ted

29:39

bundy is recaptured just outside

29:41

us

29:42

driving a stolen car

29:44

the undies week as a fugitive lands

29:46

i'm a move from the town jail and aspen

29:49

to a solitary confinement cells forty

29:51

miles away and glenwood springs

29:54

the got thesis leap for freedom hasn't

29:57

were that even under lock and

29:59

key in colorado his story isn't

30:01

over with bundy behind bars

30:03

again i asked to musky

30:05

an author of the search for the green river

30:07

killer about the impact bundy

30:09

had on king county the mark

30:12

how did things change in the community after

30:14

fun

30:14

well i think there was a

30:16

sense of fear seattle was

30:18

changed by bundy's it became more city

30:20

that some place was some dangerous the

30:23

academic community was very leery

30:25

and that's the bottom line cause we're

30:27

afraid people were afraid so he put syrian

30:30

a city that really had met says

30:32

did before

30:33

by the summer of nineteen eighty two ted

30:36

bundy's murders and like some amis seating

30:38

in the collective memory king county

30:40

the years have passed since his last known abductions

30:43

the most is almost back to help was

30:46

then in july a body

30:48

is

30:49

in the green river i

30:51

to mark about the summer of nineteen eighty

30:53

two in seattle the beginnings of

30:55

the green river killing

30:56

the creeping sense of deja vu and

30:58

a community

30:59

couldn't remember started you know of

31:01

people wonder what's what's going on they

31:04

found the one body than that two

31:06

bodies as and suddenly you have three

31:08

and it becomes beyond coincidence

31:11

police didn't want to say there was a serial case

31:13

going on they found five

31:15

people and people were starting to talk

31:17

as says you know how cause you get side bodies

31:19

it reverts to the credit of the seattle

31:22

times i was working with was a assigned

31:24

people to the story i was on the story we

31:26

wouldn't talk to people on the streets and

31:28

came up with the factory was a suit

31:30

okay so busy for it

31:37

in the short span of a month

31:39

nineteen eighty two five

31:41

young women are found in the green river

31:43

south of seattle

31:44

it doesn't take investigators long to discover

31:47

that all the women and girls are runaways

31:49

the sex workers

31:51

the victim profile is different

31:52

from a few years earlier

31:54

it away there's a distinction between these

31:56

victims and ted bundy's college

31:59

students

31:59

open result of the home

32:02

oh color on the loose

32:03

and bodies turning up

32:05

and wilde areas around seattle

32:08

people are frightened they may have another

32:10

fund the on their hands

32:12

they don't know is this time

32:14

it will be far

32:19

we'll find out how ted

32:22

bundy's time in captivity that to

32:24

his final fancied asked

32:26

and up or see the case of the green river

32:28

killer as a continues to unfold

32:30

over almost two decades i'll

32:33

ask people who were there how another

32:35

evil killer could not just emerge but

32:38

surprise the and king county so

32:40

soon after bundy

32:43

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