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this podcast explores themes of

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murder and rape no discretion

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the victims are typically

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young women many of them runaways and prostitutes

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the sheer number of murders raises suspicion

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that a serial killer is at work mountains

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of was in office and next three

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for finding batasuna for your loss

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he said to us like why would i change

1:03

the way that i kill these women because it was working

1:05

from on

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women do you think about illness

1:09

about illness

1:21

growing up most of us will be taught

1:24

how to escape and some way

1:26

we are fire drills at school or

1:28

when we get on a plane was given a safety

1:30

demonstration

1:31

the guidance we learn is to stay calm

1:34

and never to then there

1:36

, no guidelines for stating a theoretical

1:39

model on was no handle

1:42

handle the and the green river killer gary

1:44

ridgeway killed almost one hundred

1:47

women between them but

1:49

a list of victims should have

1:51

to more names on it

1:52

harold the runs and rebecca car day

1:55

escaped with their lives and

1:57

went on to help investigators for two

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of the most pro

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liquid fuel

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in american history behind

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bars

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there would be killers and turn

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the tables and that detective favor

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i'm doctor michelle word and this is

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mind if a monster monday

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and the green have a killer

2:19

episode four

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be

2:30

i'm a cemetery employee the lab

2:32

a green river task force to the first set of human

2:35

bones this week but other chefs are going

2:37

unnoticed that's with this woman says

2:39

she says he brought a hitchhiker to this

2:41

same area the last week a man

2:43

who was acting very suspiciously when

2:46

she saw her story on the search earlier this

2:48

week she contacted the task force

2:50

the correct information that answers rogue

2:52

effective they did not acknowledge

2:55

way to go on it

2:55

i've already don't want you to be afraid

2:57

to report anything suspicious but as

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far as as receive ten to twenty thousand tips

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like the one being received today and of

3:04

matter how insignificant the clue may appear to

3:06

be the detectives want you to contact them

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as you know today as you never know it might

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be a tip from you apply the brakes with

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when the green river killer is that is most

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active between nineteen eighty two and nineteen

3:21

eighty four

3:23

the community in king county doesn't just hide

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in their homes peeping through the curtains they're

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out there volunteer to search the

3:30

woods for human remains and calling

3:32

him thousands upon thousands of tip

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that what is leaving a tip

3:36

means admitting to a crime would

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have many volunteers show up to com the woods for

3:41

clues if they thought

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get a resident former

3:45

king county prosecutor pretty geeks

3:47

when a catch twenty two situation

3:50

that rebecca guard a ceased approaching

3:52

the green river task force

3:54

the be admitting to her illegal sex

3:56

work for providing the biggest tip

3:58

data africa

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how big of a deal is it for a better

4:03

our day to come forward to was very

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brave to come

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the word at that time it was unusual

4:09

said you would find somebody who

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was herself engage in illegal activity

4:14

who'd be willing to engage with law

4:16

enforcement tell him what happened to her and

4:18

after to protect herself and the other women

4:21

the her friends

4:22

the better days bravery coming

4:24

forward to talk to police is nothing

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compared to the bravery she says and the

4:29

day she needs get ridge back

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it's november nineteen eighty two

4:35

just five years after the first a

4:37

with victims was found in the green river

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rebecca is hitchhiking and

4:42

gets into of stuff alone with gary

4:44

ridgeway the bed asked

4:47

if he stayed in an office

4:49

and for sex for twenty dollars

4:51

which way agrees and follows rebecca's

4:53

direction to a nearby trailer

4:55

park in a corner

4:58

of the thirty nine she asked to

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see some id ridgway

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shelton identification card for the truck companies

5:04

are either bomb ,

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asks if he is the green river

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killer just forgot that the

5:11

her own words

5:13

he said he wasn't the green river murder

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and he said he wasn't why asda rebecca

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guard a says that's one of the first question

5:20

she asked gary ridgeway it

5:23

was nineteen eighty two she was nineteen

5:25

he had picked her up on the pacific highway

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that ran over oh cool

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no

5:33

yeah

5:35

yeah children

5:44

the better clearly doesn't pick up anything strange

5:46

about ridgeway when she first gets in his truck

5:49

the encounter progress is from hitchhiking

5:51

to a sexual exchange quite quickly

5:54

by this time nearly six months

5:56

into his killing spree which way will

5:59

have a deception would

5:59

all worked out

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have a number of resists at his fingertips

6:04

ready to deploy as he later described

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to investigators

6:07

in the vehicle at

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my son's stefano in

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of the left in there are some star

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wars are some sort , of

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isn't like family setting and she

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first want to save my id i

6:22

put my finger over my driver's

6:24

license tied my tied and

6:27

on opposite sides was hum city

6:32

creature my son see

6:34

, son and say with with

6:37

i wasn't such a normal a would really

6:39

news on your song as party over this

6:41

of the month com i didn't want to catch my ex wife

6:43

their of square sun never

6:46

make it sound them

6:48

ridgway deceptions to give the impression

6:51

to his victim said his trustworthy are quite

6:53

subtle

6:54

using visual cues and prof

6:56

allowing whoever she's with to connect the dots

6:59

and arrive at their own conclusion had

7:01

been to the much more involved approach

7:03

to deception

7:05

when he started out in washington state he that

7:07

hurt or vulnerable using crutches

7:10

or sake arm cast to persuade young women to

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help him

7:13

the time he's killing in utah

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the act has evolved

7:17

as i find out from carol ranch

7:20

before we get into the details would you

7:22

mind introducing yourself

7:24

my name's carol and or aunts

7:26

and i was kidnapped i had

7:29

funny and

7:29

the member nineteen seventy four

7:32

how old were you in nineteen seventy four i

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was eighteen years old i just wanted to

7:36

start my life and live my life

7:38

take me right back to the beginning of the day

7:41

take me through how this and folded

7:43

i i went to work in the morning

7:45

it was just a normal work day i'd only been

7:48

there are probably in

7:50

six months

7:51

hum i thought enough words

7:54

it was probably around sign a clot

7:56

drove home i didn't really

7:58

have any plans for the evening

7:59

oh i decided

8:02

i would just head over to the local shopping

8:04

mall when she saw me a couple

8:06

miles from my half

8:08

going to the mall after work totally normal

8:10

activity for an eighteen year old what

8:12

happens when you

8:14

oh parked my car has

8:16

gotten a brand new car

8:17

graduation my father had come fines

8:20

for it it was a seventy four camaro say

8:23

i parked my car

8:24

my arm , turn

8:26

into the mall have been

8:28

really very long

8:31

at the mod all and walk through

8:33

and start to buy a book

8:35

the world was lacking in the book store window at

8:37

some bugs okay

8:39

turn around and a man had some

8:41

up

8:41

the and

8:43

hum introduced himself

8:45

as police officers and said

8:47

that he actually read me my life

8:50

right number

8:51

the uma thurman thin outside

8:53

and watched be pulling to the had my license

8:56

plate number and i said yes that's

8:58

my license plate and

9:00

he told me that they had caught

9:02

when trying to break into my

9:05

back then you had

9:07

they can say cassette players

9:10

and i had one just install

9:12

becoming com with your car so

9:15

i thought that maybe

9:17

someone in our had pulled

9:19

it out and take that so he asked

9:21

me if i'm why neglect my karma see him

9:23

and see if anything was gone were

9:25

you comfortable talking to comfortable police officer i

9:28

haven't had much contact with

9:31

with place i wasn't afraid

9:33

of him or afraid of police officers

9:35

so i thought i should go out

9:37

there with it

9:41

romney's ruse the cars a lot

9:43

of effort he must have stayed

9:45

out the mall parking lot to know carols

9:47

license plates and it takes a consonant

9:50

act to impersonate a police officer

9:52

but that's not to say ridgeway isn't putting

9:54

in the effort there's no telling how

9:56

long he spent driving up and down the pacific

9:58

highway strips

9:59

that careful victim selection must

10:02

have taken hours of searching

10:04

if you're thinking his truck would get noticed

10:06

driving up and down for hours he had

10:08

a plan for that too

10:10

the told investigators that some nights he park

10:13

pop the hood and pretend to be having heart

10:15

trouble buying himself hours to

10:17

stock is pray

10:19

as different as their approaches are

10:21

the end goal is the same

10:23

the get an innocent young woman alone

10:25

with there's no chance to escape i

10:27

pick up with carol as ted bundy is leading

10:30

her out of them all into a parking

10:32

we weren't really talking

10:35

i was kind of following behind

10:37

him he was the leading the way and

10:39

, thought out to my car and

10:41

he he knew where it was and

10:43

i opened the door for him but

10:45

him could see nothing was gone sykes understood

10:48

that back behind him behind was never was

10:50

directly in front of him and

10:52

the map when he said well

10:55

we have the suspect that

10:57

was the breaking park

10:59

i'm they met my having that

11:01

says substation in the mall he

11:03

wanted you have time to want to go over there

11:05

and saw to conflate and i said

11:08

i said sir i'll do that so

11:10

you go with him back into the mall i

11:12

knew they were them as substation

11:14

the mall but i didn't know where it was but

11:17

, actually walked across the street

11:20

from the mall mall another

11:22

building and it was back of a laundromat

11:24

and tried to open the door like

11:27

it was the substation and substation curse it was lot

11:29

and he came back since

11:31

mystery

11:33

on the side of the street and said well

11:35

they must have taken down at the

11:36

reply here

11:39

map point that i said can

11:41

i seek some sign up

11:42

two

11:44

he swept up in a small and he had

11:46

a badge and i said oh okay

11:49

brown family was silver

11:51

on the side of the road and in had about

11:53

platinum part there the

11:55

and at that point we got you the

11:57

cars and he what

12:00

a pity seat belt on the seatbelt on

12:03

and i said now said go i don't ever

12:05

were and i don't know

12:07

why did i just didn't sell comfortable

12:09

putting on that plane i think

12:11

i saw had minimum

12:12

that so i didn't put

12:14

the seat on

12:17

eight years later in the parking lot of a trailer

12:20

park of pacific highway suit and seattle

12:22

gary ridgeway isn't satisfied that rebecca

12:25

guard day as alone with him in his truck

12:27

he asks if they can walk up into some

12:29

woods behind the trailer park which they

12:31

do

12:32

and secluded spot rebecca begins

12:34

first set of the

12:35

range meant when suddenly ridgeway

12:38

attacks

12:40

he knocks or to the ground pushes her face

12:42

into the dirt and wraps his arm around

12:44

her neck in a chokehold rebecca

12:47

the frenzied attack to a journalist

12:49

years later

12:50

the

12:51

horrible monster

12:55

again and

12:56

hi new pass me

12:58

any he added all planned

13:01

i know he added plans is what he

13:03

likes to do i tried to talk

13:06

why do you want to show me why do you were

13:09

, know paint

13:12

me from my family i had to

13:14

use as much strength as i

13:16

could he's very strong

13:18

oh

13:20

yeah no on the ground he was

13:22

on top of me we're we're rolling around

13:25

in the grounds i think that my purse i

13:27

ran as fast as i could

13:30

i've had to go get help rebecca

13:33

say she was confused and ashamed

13:35

she didn't go to the police for months but

13:37

every detail stuck in her mind his name

13:40

his face i knew that it is out there

13:42

still

13:43

no found

13:45

me one day

13:49

the picture of a better day paints is

13:51

terrifying

13:52

which turns out for me is the third she used

13:55

to describe bridge way when the switch

13:57

has flipped in his brain and he is set to

13:59

kill

13:59

he is a horrible monster amen

14:03

while the speaks volumes to me about the duality

14:05

a serial killers been both normal and

14:08

monstrous in the blink of an i i

14:10

want to stay focused on rebecca

14:13

there's no doubt about it

14:14

in a height for her life against an opponent

14:16

for settle for nothing less than killing her

14:20

the recognize them before it's too late

14:22

tix incredible presence of mind before

14:24

summoning the strength

14:26

courage to fight him off

14:28

for those few moments rebecca

14:30

go day is super human

14:33

the have to be in a fight with a man who

14:35

has no emotion

14:37

the man who is i'm human

14:40

eight years earlier and murray utah

14:43

carol to raunch has just gotten in

14:45

to ted bundy's vw beetle

14:47

he started the car

14:50

and turn the car around

14:52

and shattered away

14:54

the mama

14:55

one heading the direction towards

14:57

the murray city police station i knew

15:00

where it was but he was fine

15:02

up on a backstreet what's

15:04

going on going the car

15:05

what are you thinking me where time and along

15:08

towards the playstation we

15:11

weren't talking and all really know

15:13

conversation driving

15:15

on i didn't have plans for that

15:17

night so i thought you

15:20

know this is final a single cell up

15:22

to play it back into the my

15:23

whoop

15:25

i would be fine

15:26

then what happened

15:28

now we were almost halfway

15:30

to the point

15:31

one all

15:33

of us census pulled over

15:36

in the car just pulled over

15:38

them the sine elementary school and

15:40

by a hospital and ,

15:42

road for kind of flat there were lights

15:45

analysts rainy they just serve

15:48

the car over and pulled over upon the per

15:51

and i touch screen

15:52

then i knew something was wrong

15:55

and i said spinning what are you doing what

15:57

are you doing this isn't the playstation way something

15:59

that

15:59

why not i was here

16:02

planets he was not saying

16:05

anything to me not answering

16:07

the at all he just got

16:09

very violent lucky he

16:11

was just crazy turned into

16:14

a monster he became very violent

16:16

he grabbed my right hand

16:18

i didn't see where the heights of came from

16:21

what he grabbed my hand

16:22

got it on the when rest and

16:24

then he never thought the other one on the other risks

16:27

oh my gosh the i was

16:29

thinking and i notices

16:32

i can say that my whole life

16:35

which is often eighteen years of flashing

16:37

an hour before my eyes and i thought my

16:41

god my parents my parents gonna know what

16:43

happened

16:43

the

16:44

i really felt they he was going

16:46

to kill

16:47

i'm he was

16:49

i was struggling with him in the car

16:51

in and

16:52

finally i saw danny said

16:54

i'll blow your head off and i just

16:56

thought to myself though he has i'm

16:58

not documents

16:59

you know have to tell me right here

17:06

listening to carols account there's

17:08

a moment that stands out for me the

17:10

most and mirror image for better guard

17:12

days description of gary ridgeway he

17:15

was just crazy

17:17

he turned into a

17:18

after became very violent

17:21

two survivors talking about completely

17:23

different colors almost a decade apart yet

17:26

their descriptions are chilling in the similarity

17:29

crazed the money monstrous

17:33

these are words from the i of the storm

17:36

keep them in mind as we returned to carroll

17:38

has handcuffed and fighting for her lies

17:40

and ted bundy's he does

17:43

when he pulled a gun out send a flow

17:45

your head off that's when i just

17:47

thought even harder i was

17:50

punching and screaming

17:52

and and just fighting and and

17:54

i have all my things nails were broken

17:56

they were all broken off

17:58

i remember being in death

17:59

read that this is really happening

18:02

that it was real

18:03

it's incredible that you remember thinking that

18:06

how do you escape don't know

18:08

how i managed he get the

18:10

car door of open that i

18:12

hope that it opens and he flat

18:14

out over my see over

18:16

the passenger seat side

18:19

on the sidewalk with

18:20

on we were struggling

18:23

outside of the car and

18:25

that's when i can see

18:26

how it was a crowbar on i can

18:28

the are always had any was

18:30

try again hit me in the head with

18:32

that and arms at

18:34

that point are are coming

18:36

the opposite direction so

18:39

, don't know if i just finally broke

18:41

loose or is the cartel

18:44

mean made him stop

18:46

trying stop hear me and the

18:48

table que to the street

18:51

and his current i just flung

18:53

open their door and jumped on him the

18:55

car seat your life how do people

18:57

inside react

18:58

an elderly couple

19:01

and i threw myself and

19:03

on them just and start screen

19:05

as man's is tied to

19:07

he bought me ten minutes playstation

19:10

screaming and

19:11

mary was sitting in our car with a

19:14

handcuffs on one of my wrists

19:16

and wrists they didn't know what to say

19:19

than enough i had it's

19:20

from somewhere i just

19:22

threw myself in on him i think

19:24

i was hysterical

19:26

harold beat the odds and makes it to safety

19:29

leaving ted bundy seeding with anger

19:32

coming up also

19:33

he didn't

19:40

across the united states

19:42

in the nation's most revered institutions

19:45

our celebrated history is on display

19:47

wonderous treasures from the past bizarre

19:50

relics but behind every

19:52

amazing artifact is another

19:54

tail to be told and a secret

19:56

waiting to be revealed some don wildman

19:59

and know even listen

19:59

the my tv show mysteries at the museum

20:02

has a podcast and each episode we dive

20:04

deep into the history of civilization war

20:07

technology and everything in between all

20:09

by examining the secret back stories behind

20:11

different artifacts this advance

20:13

and could have changed the way we live as

20:15

significantly as the motor car or assembly

20:18

line the why didn't that i travel

20:20

the country to different museums to uncover

20:22

the secret history behind their collections from

20:25

mummies to weapons to saber toothed tigers

20:27

we cover it off and these

20:29

acts raised shows something completely

20:32

unexpected listen the mysteries of the museum

20:34

on apple podcasts spotify or

20:36

were eager to podcasts

20:43

harold escape like rebecca's

20:46

is remarkable on so many levels

20:48

for instincts not to wear the seatbelt

20:51

could well have saved her life and

20:53

her refusal to let ted bundy get both

20:55

her breasts and customers certainly did

20:58

perhaps the most potent weapon both women

21:01

had wished to recognize in an instant

21:03

that they were in a fight for their lives before

21:05

the opportunity to escape was gone

21:08

we don't know if

21:09

the way went home after rebecca escaped

21:12

but we do know what ted bundy did he

21:14

continued his search and

21:17

just hours later he abducted seventeen

21:19

year old deborah tense

21:21

later killed her

21:22

harold a ranch picks up the rest of panties

21:24

evening

21:25

when he left me he

21:28

drove up soon found a fall

21:30

which is another

21:31

he had

21:33

the revenue to as school

21:35

and

21:35

merit to play at school and

21:38

is apparently she had gone out to

21:41

hard to go pick up her brother somewhere

21:45

and that's when they

21:46

after with him happened i

21:48

think he was so enraged

21:51

by , time he had driven

21:53

up there and approached her

21:56

i said he just sit

21:58

her the hitter and had

22:01

i think he was just enraged by

22:03

the the got her how is

22:05

there a link between what happens you

22:08

and deborah tense disappearance they

22:10

didn't find it see and the parking

22:12

lot by her car where

22:15

she was taken and it didn't match my

22:17

handcuffs how do you feel about

22:19

that i probably have had

22:21

survivor's guilt thinking about that

22:24

that because you know he

22:26

didn't get me that night he drove

22:28

up there

22:29

and

22:31

i do think about that he about

22:33

we know why women at me like

22:35

and i live by was i able to

22:37

get away not

22:40

someone else

22:47

harold survivor's guilt is a normal response

22:49

to such a traumatic experience

22:51

it's reported and war veterans first

22:53

responders even cancer survivors

22:56

if a significant symptoms of ptsd

22:59

i can only imagine that rebecca guard day

23:02

expand something similar as she began

23:04

to realize that she has probably escaped

23:06

the green river kinda a nineteen

23:09

eighty four two years after which may

23:11

talk to the have been dozens more

23:13

victims and she

23:13

the media is keeping

23:16

[unk]

23:16

the open the police for so long something

23:18

tips

23:20

how do you eat pigs for pets with such

23:22

a tough this into perspective

23:27

the

23:28

how did rebecca car day change

23:31

the investigation

23:32

well i think that rebecca guard a was the person

23:35

that really put ridgeway on the map for

23:37

the task force sell her

23:39

reporting what happened to her

23:41

back in the eighties was

23:44

really pivotal to the

23:46

task force in terms of identifying somebody

23:48

as and as and potential suspects

23:50

ridgway had a history of having

23:53

then arrested for soliciting a prostitute

23:56

and they knew he had a truck but you know there were so

23:58

many men who went

23:59

the strawberry us that frequented

24:02

prostitutes that alone wasn't enough to

24:04

kind of make somebody a suspect but

24:06

what she described and the attack on

24:08

her

24:08

certainly was

24:11

frightening

24:11

and and kind of fit

24:13

profile of

24:16

the youtube away that

24:18

the killer could be getting his victims rise

24:23

rebecca birthday doesn't just flip

24:25

ridgeway on the task forces radar

24:27

she puts him right in the cross hairs

24:30

she describes a white male

24:32

thirty to thirty five years old with light brown

24:34

hair and possibly a mustache

24:36

the told him that he's driving a maroon pick up with

24:38

a like canopy and that he showed her

24:40

an id card from the kenworth truck plant

24:43

was users she ,

24:45

picks ridgeway straight out of a photo montage

24:48

detective consent ridgeway about soliciting

24:51

and assaulting rebecca guard day and he

24:53

admits to claiming the assault

24:55

was a reaction to being bitten the

24:57

evidence seems overwhelming by

24:59

ridgeway still just one of a number of suspects

25:03

while the task force is still building a case to

25:05

go after him they raid the home

25:07

of one

25:07

there are others

25:13

what we've seen in the past twenty four hours hasn't

25:15

been just a news story it's been an

25:17

advance almost a novel

25:20

the green river task force meets the

25:22

brass it wasn't just the search

25:24

of a house last night it was a zoo

25:27

a suburban house barricades

25:29

crime scene ribbons police and

25:31

cameras reporters and cameras

25:33

and police saying nothing the

25:36

same scene twenty four hours later

25:38

acquired later still no

25:40

charges no arrests no

25:43

comment

25:43

the task forces raid on a home and revert

25:46

insights attracts massive attention

25:48

from the media

25:49

reporter the news crews are desperate to capture

25:52

the moment the green river killer is caught

25:54

they've got the wrong guy

25:57

the suspected questioned and released

25:59

without charge

26:00

the repercussions for the media feeding

26:02

frenzy rock the time

26:04

the boy

26:05

the data pharma from that raid the

26:07

my planes have filed a ten million dollar

26:09

claim against king county they

26:11

also filed lawsuits one against

26:13

the task force saying police stage

26:15

the raid and a conspicuous manner attracting

26:18

the attention of neighbors police

26:20

are also accused of telling the media they

26:22

believe they have their man who

26:24

murdered victims of the green river killer

26:27

lessons are learned the hard way

26:29

when you're the biggest most expensive

26:31

murder investigation in the country you

26:34

can't just go knocking on a suspects door

26:36

with a war

26:37

not without a dozen news crews and intense

26:39

scrutiny the river thames heights raid

26:42

is a costly misfire for the taskforce

26:45

within months the number of investigators

26:47

working on the case is cut

26:49

gary ridgeway system

26:52

it building a case to read his

26:54

son that now they have to be

26:57

absolutely certain he's a man

27:04

that in utah almost a decade earlier

27:07

ted bundy is flying under the radar for nearly

27:09

a year after carol differences

27:11

car then

27:13

adam know where she's arrested

27:17

detectives in salt lake city have

27:19

a golden opportunity to keep him behind

27:21

bars for investigators and colorado in

27:23

washington state but they need

27:25

camping how it on him news for

27:27

reporter roots was with a quick reminder of

27:29

how bundy ended up in custody in salt

27:31

lake city ted bundy

27:33

was arrested in salt lake city august sixteenth

27:36

nineteen seventy five and charged with

27:38

possession of burglary tools and invading

27:40

and officer he was arrested by sergeant

27:42

bob hayward of the utah state patrol

27:45

six weeks before that salt lake city

27:47

detectors had in their words focused

27:49

in on been days after king county

27:52

authority

27:52

notify them bundy was in utah

27:58

pretty to

27:59

how unsettled to rush

28:02

if they can mail bundy for attempting to kidnap

28:04

her a year earlier than investigators

28:07

and neighboring states can take a run at him for

28:09

murder

28:10

for over a dozen murdered women

28:13

rests on

28:13

carol young shoulders i

28:15

hear from her about how it unfolded

28:17

attitude

28:19

when had been he is arrested in utah how

28:21

much do you in the detectors their know

28:23

about his crimes elsewhere

28:25

i had started to hear about

28:28

on other women disappearing

28:31

colorado seattle other

28:34

places i don't

28:36

know that had everything and really

28:38

been tied together yet

28:40

they were starting to figure

28:43

it out

28:44

how do you get involved at this point

28:46

the police said they had a suspect

28:48

and they called me down they

28:50

asked me to go on look

28:53

to the middle line up and i

28:55

said a word and they

28:58

had had countless

28:59

five or six other

29:02

guys and the minute he walked out

29:04

i knew his him his posture

29:07

and the way the was walking i

29:09

have followed him behind him watched

29:11

him lock all my the

29:14

minutes is spokes i

29:16

notice him

29:17

how to see him in person

29:20

i definitely

29:21

new him i

29:24

the that him that sam and they said wait

29:26

wait

29:26

that on

29:29

it said that him i just kept saying that

29:34

hundred eighty in a policeman

29:36

enough is enough

29:37

don't make any detective to charge

29:39

indeed with attempted kidnapping

29:41

the kid goes to court and a troops huge

29:44

media interest

29:45

hero again on sundays behavior in court

29:48

and incentive the camera

29:49

he wires

29:50

very arrogant and a courtroom

29:53

he started around he loved it

29:55

some an ,

29:57

sell for him he was

29:59

just

29:59

the area and confident i

30:02

think he was just loving every minute of it

30:04

how was court for you

30:06

during the trial i was still

30:09

nineteen and israelis

30:11

shy teenager and

30:14

i don't think the hell on defense

30:15

boring and they were to

30:17

the say that i didn't know that that was

30:19

really the car but

30:21

the i mean it was he just changed

30:24

and he painted and six south that it was still

30:26

his our and they

30:28

just crazy just question me for hours

30:30

and time

30:32

them

30:33

kept our the same thing over and

30:35

over again so he'll israeli

30:38

tiring and was hard

30:40

what is his sentence

30:41

and where's and one to fifteen

30:43

years

30:44

for aggravated kidnapping

30:47

which of course i didn't think

30:49

was announced

30:50

i mean i can be out in

30:52

one city

30:53

there

30:54

i mean he would just

30:57

do what he dad you know he would kill

30:59

again but that's not the full story

31:01

though

31:02

is it the sentence he gets for trying

31:04

to kidnap you buys investigators in

31:06

other states time to build a case against

31:08

him right i knew

31:10

they were gonna take him

31:12

who colorado

31:13

on for murder

31:15

charges they were in it

31:17

marin time for murder

31:21

monday guilty verdict for trying

31:23

to kidnap carroll is really just

31:25

the appetizer

31:27

murder charges in colorado in even

31:29

washington state

31:30

are the main course

31:32

because gary ridgeway kept his killing

31:34

local there are no second chances

31:37

are

31:37

the green river taff

31:39

they have a good theory ridgeway for multiple

31:41

homicides

31:42

let your conviction would be a failure

31:45

their fingers burned by the river insights

31:47

raid they spent over two years

31:49

building their case after a better guard day

31:51

mix in their prime suspect

31:53

finally in nineteen eighty seven the task

31:56

force raids gary bridge with home and vehicles

31:59

get their mom could not in

32:02

higher hundreds , items are

32:04

seized and since the state crime laboratory

32:06

for analysis the outcome is

32:08

expressing disappointment not

32:10

a single shred of evidence can be seen on

32:12

to link which way to the victims among

32:16

the centers of items the task force takes

32:18

for analysis is a saliva swab

32:21

from rich with cheap in nineteen

32:23

eighty seven there is little the crime lab can

32:25

do but the sample

32:26

the story for detectors in the future

32:29

in prison

32:30

once again ridgeway is

32:32

not arrested

32:39

next time i'll talk to the florida sheriff,

32:41

who took the bite out of bundy's campaign of

32:43

killing for good, and pick-a-part

32:45

the decline of the green river force

32:47

having missed their big chance to get

32:49

their man mind

32:51

of a a ted bundy

32:54

and the green killer is brought to

32:56

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32:58

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