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right, here he is. He needs no

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introduction, but let me cobble one together

4:37

for him anyway. He is on the

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digital wall of fame for all of

4:41

time. One of our favorite talkers on

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the game of football, and maybe more

4:45

importantly, the game of life. You can

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listen to him at your leisure wherever

4:49

you find your podcasts. Jeff Schwartz is

4:51

smarter than you. Also doing

4:53

stuff always for Fox Sports. He

4:55

is one of the actual go-tos

4:58

when you want some info on offensive linemen. Everybody

5:01

else is just yapping to

5:03

hear themselves yap, I guess. He's

5:06

Mitchell Schwartz's brother. He's Jeff Schwartz. What's

5:08

the poop, fella? How are you?

5:10

Breaking news, by the way. Did

5:12

you know that players often take

5:14

visits to teams during the draft

5:16

process? It's breaking news. I

5:19

just saw Brock Bowers. He's visiting with

5:21

the Jets. Breaking news. You

5:24

and I keep our eyes on

5:26

this thing because, you know, listen,

5:28

for some people, football season is

5:30

like a 17-week thing. Some people

5:32

have the playoffs. Some people dabble

5:35

in the draft, but Shorts and

5:37

Damashek, 365, and we always are

5:39

fascinated by where the scouts are.

5:41

Are they scouting players? Are

5:43

they doing their jobs? Because it seems noteworthy

5:46

to other people out there like, hey, there's

5:48

scouts in attendance at this

5:50

college football game that has quarterbacks that are

5:52

likely to be drafted, and somehow we're supposed

5:54

to be surprised by their attendance. Also,

5:57

low expectations. Like

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for some teams, like Pittsburgh, for example, the Steelers,

6:02

they only draft guys that they have visit, right?

6:04

Like that's a thing. Like they've shown over the

6:06

years, like they draft a lot of guys that

6:08

have visit. But you hear so many

6:11

stories about players getting drafted. Like

6:13

I never talked to that team once. Like, you

6:15

know, like my brother in the Browns, I

6:18

think we had no idea the Browns even liked them,

6:20

like zero idea. And the Browns drafted them. We thought

6:22

it was going to Atlanta, Atlanta showed a ton of

6:24

interest in him. And it was like 55. We

6:26

thought he was going to Atlanta. Like these,

6:28

sometimes you get drafted by a team who

6:31

never visited. Yeah. You meet with them at

6:33

the combine very briefly, maybe or so. Like

6:35

it, and so the idea that like, yeah,

6:37

Brock Bowers might go to jets at 10.

6:39

Certainly possible or offensive line, or maybe they

6:41

just, they throw a random, maybe a wide

6:43

receiver drops to 10. They want to draft

6:45

another whiteout. Like it's so funny how seriously

6:47

people take some of this pre-draft stuff when

6:50

it's just, everyone does it. They all, they get,

6:52

they get 30 visits. They, they all

6:54

take them. You know, I saw that the commanders are

6:56

hosting McCarthy, the hosted in May

6:58

hosted Daniels. Like, yeah, McCarthy makes sense for

7:00

them to host. They're trying to figure out

7:02

what quarterback they want to draft. Everyone's talking

7:04

about McCarthy going in the top four now.

7:06

So it makes total sense. They would want

7:09

to visit with McCarthy. So it's just funny

7:11

how we're like always sort of waiting

7:13

for this breaking news and wanting to break news when this

7:15

is not breaking news at all. But it is fun to

7:17

talk about when it comes to the context of the draft.

7:20

I know. Listen, I wouldn't have a beef

7:22

with it if it was like

7:24

a one-off by the media. Like here's how

7:26

we're going to cover this new fangled thing

7:28

called the draft. We're going to take student

7:30

athletes and bring them into the pro level

7:33

via a draft where all 32 teams will

7:35

have a chance to take one of those student athletes.

7:38

Uh, we saw it last year and we saw it

7:40

the year before that it is

7:42

always treated like new information. What

7:45

guys meeting with that? What does

7:47

this mean? And what we,

7:49

you just saw all this jive a year

7:52

ago, didn't you? Did you, did, did you

7:54

get bumped on the head? Now you have

7:56

amnesia and you're back to square one. Anyway,

7:59

I have a. some questions about what it's like

8:01

to be in your boots. And you're the

8:03

questions that the teams answer ask you and

8:06

everything else. But to the

8:08

matter at hand, some draft stuff. Let's start with the

8:10

fun side of things. We did this with Chris Long.

8:12

By the way, Chris Long, of the

8:14

green light podcast network, he and

8:16

his brother, Kyle, are burning up

8:19

the airwaves doing it. You're doing great work

8:21

yourself, but you're doing it yourself. Also,

8:23

you may have heard about the Kelsey brothers

8:25

doing stuff in the world. Well, yeah, I'm

8:28

not going to go into that. I'm not

8:31

about to sit here and talk about them not

8:33

when I have Mitchell Schwartz's brother on

8:35

the line. When are we getting the

8:38

Schwartz brothers? I mean, this is this is now

8:40

this is the minimum standard of what you need

8:42

to do as an ex football player is join

8:44

up with your brother and make a show. I

8:47

tried to do the Kelsey

8:49

thing before it happened. I will admit that my

8:51

brother and I are not as charismatic and we're

8:53

not dating Taylor Swift. So probably not have been

8:55

as a success. But I tried

8:58

man, he just don't want to do it. I don't

9:00

know. He's not he's doing other media instead of doing

9:02

a podcast with me. My brother is

9:04

focused. I'm not doing it with you, but

9:06

I'll do a podcast

9:09

with someone else. He just doesn't

9:11

want to do media. He focuses a lot

9:13

of attention on his golf game. He loves

9:16

to golf. It's what a lot of his

9:18

mind goes to now and he practices a bunch

9:20

of plays a bunch and doesn't really want to get

9:22

into the media game. So I

9:24

tried, it's not going to happen. The Kelsey

9:28

Brothers podcast, the reaction from people is

9:30

just it's the best. It's the perfect

9:32

internet thing. Travis Kelsey gets a fake

9:34

diploma, right? And he smashes a beer

9:36

like he just and everyone's like, how

9:38

dare you disrespect Cincinnati and Jason's like,

9:40

there wasn't a real diploma. He gave

9:42

it to us. We were there. We

9:44

were the fundraiser for them. Like, wait,

9:46

everyone take a deep breath, everyone. It's

9:49

a good podcast though. Not to yeah, well,

9:51

a small world because the producer of it,

9:53

I don't know creator of but then I

9:55

want to give him too much credit. But

9:57

our old guy black tie who more

10:00

reasons to celebrate than just professional

10:03

in this day in at the time of

10:05

this recording. But yeah, happy for

10:07

all those guys because they're swell fellows from little

10:09

I know of the Kelsey's my exposure to them

10:12

is that they're super funny and nice guys. And

10:14

our guy black tie is obviously one of our

10:16

favorites. All right, listen, I mentioned

10:18

Chris Long because he was on last

10:20

week and we talked about the fun

10:22

exercise to do. We've been over all

10:24

the prospects. We'll get into them in

10:26

just a second here, offensive linemen specifically.

10:28

But while I have you,

10:30

Chris Long went through his three pro football

10:33

teams plus the Pittsburgh Steelers and

10:35

answered this question. You can

10:37

have any player from the franchise's

10:40

history in his prime for

10:42

one season, 2024, you're

10:44

plugging them in to the

10:46

2024 roster. Let's start

10:49

with the Carolina Panthers. Anybody

10:51

from the franchise's history, I will

10:53

say Eddie Spaghetti last week went

10:55

Eli Manning for his

10:58

Giants. I thought that was

11:00

a little easy. You're better than that. You're

11:02

not a novice. No, I changed it. I

11:05

changed it. I said, uh, you

11:07

did because you hated that pick. So I said, I'll

11:09

go, I'll go plaxical. Do

11:12

you think that Eli Manning in his prime, if you

11:14

plug them in there, would be enough to make the

11:16

Giants the favorite to win the NFC East in 2024?

11:20

In his prime? Yeah. His best year. He's going to play

11:23

his best year coming up right now. Team is situated right

11:25

now. I would say they're not going to be the favorite.

11:27

No, even with Eli, but then again,

11:29

even when he was there, they weren't the favorite some years

11:31

and one, two Superbowl. So what do I know? Um,

11:35

okay. Carolina Panthers. So this is fun, right? Because

11:37

they're a long way away from, I'd say winning

11:39

a championship. So you could easily say Cam Noon

11:42

or Jake Deloem, right? Someone like that. But I

11:44

mean, don't you have to bring back the best

11:46

player in France history, Jewish peppers, like that's just

11:48

bringing, bringing him back and, and let him sack

11:50

the quarterback and try to help you win football

11:52

games. Otherwise, like you're not, I mean, you

11:54

could bring Steve Smith back. I would, I'd argue that

11:56

would maybe help with, with Bryce young, but you're not

11:58

like a wide receiver. away from being good.

12:01

I just bring a guy in that can hit the

12:03

quarterback every single game and get 10 to 15 sacks

12:05

a season and you know and

12:07

be a leader for your team. That's maybe what

12:09

I would do or I look the other guys

12:11

I would consider I would still be the one.

12:13

I would do Greg Olsen too would be a

12:16

good one even though Ryan Killel center

12:18

you know you know with a young quarterback having

12:20

a player like that Jordan Gross

12:22

at left tackle. Olsen's a good

12:24

one. Olsen could really help the

12:26

young quarterback and be able to

12:29

facilitate more offense. That

12:31

probably you know what that's a probably better than mine

12:33

I feel like. I think Olsen would

12:35

be the one because he helped Bryce Young the most right

12:37

out of anything he talked about and

12:39

they're going to draft a lot of receiver this year. I

12:42

just went to pep because I just he's incredible

12:44

and you know anytime you get a Hall of

12:46

Famer you can put back on your roster I

12:48

would do it. Olsen will be a Hall of

12:50

Famer too eventually so they'll have

12:53

to. I wonder if Greg Wilson will be a

12:55

Hall of Famer but I mean he kind of

12:57

deserves it. Do you know his

12:59

broadcast career helps those type of things? I

13:01

think it does it keeps you relevant

13:03

and references back to it but I do think

13:05

also then you come to be known as a

13:07

broadcaster and people forget that you have that you

13:10

ever played but yeah I mean as

13:12

much as fun as I've made of Cam Newton

13:14

and as as much as I've celebrated Cam for

13:16

his 2015 MVP season 15 and one and all

13:18

of that and I

13:20

always point to like how can you denounce Cam

13:22

Newton's greatness as a football player

13:24

when he went to the Super Bowl with

13:26

Philly Brown and Ted Ginn but he did

13:28

have Greg Olsen and that was a massive

13:31

factor too that I always lost over

13:33

there. Yeah yeah Olsen had 3,000 yards probably not

13:37

yeah probably not the Hall of

13:39

Fame. Not the guy or maybe Philly

13:41

Brown should be your choice but we'll move on from

13:43

the Panthers. Hall of Very Good. Next

13:46

up the Minnesota Vikings you can

13:48

plug in one guy. You can

13:52

see there's an obvious answer I'm

13:54

sure everybody's thinking Randy Moss right

13:56

except Kirk Cousins. You want to

13:58

Yeah right.. What? Are you

14:00

know why? That's what that's like Chris Long did

14:03

for the Rams. He said Aaron Donald. Which.

14:05

Is hard Dead. Or. The Debate.

14:07

Really. I'm. Although. Eric

14:09

Dickerson would be a fun add to look

14:11

like. Me: That the quarterback the right

14:13

doesn't really need right now You have to go.

14:16

You have to look at a quarterback. I mean.

14:19

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14:22

maybe Sir Francis maybe.they call

14:24

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14:26

what you bring him back. Bathroom.

14:29

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14:31

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14:36

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14:38

that. he I felt like we never picked

14:40

feel Fran Tarkenton for this exercise rhyming just

14:42

he points along driving the all the zebra.

14:44

yeah I don't know. maybe you play well

14:46

now I'm in this sort of and while

14:48

and as monitors I just for the record

14:51

I to me. That the clock

14:53

starts in pro Football with the

14:55

Super Bowl era, you could also

14:57

go and he will narrow that.

14:59

You. Could do you do the a

15:02

afoul Nfl merger. So from Superbowl Five

15:04

on you could go the Mel Blanc

15:06

rule which is probably the most impactful

15:08

done of what we look at. Kind.

15:11

Of flow of the game during

15:13

the Super Bowl era. Ah, so

15:15

that's Nineteen Seventy Eight. Desire to

15:17

free agency? whatever that is. Ninety

15:19

Three, Ninety Four Race. and then

15:22

the weird Qb centric rules. Yeah,

15:24

sprinkled been sprinkled through the last

15:26

twenty five yards. So those are

15:28

the influence. It worse. Promotion.

15:30

At some guys are so we do like. This

15:33

warren Moon towns, he was there two years, like the

15:35

time, more moods, bass or that when you play with

15:37

that team, how good you? I mean,

15:39

I I guess. Yeah, no you cannot.

15:41

That now see I think that's breaking

15:43

the rules of say, war and mood

15:46

at his best. For the Houston Oilers,

15:48

it's gotta be okay. Earth area of

15:50

it's over. That's fair. Ah,

15:53

yeah me a quarterback rise has gotta be it's

15:55

i be called pepper cousins whoever you think is

15:57

the best quarterback in vikings history They would have

16:00

to be the guy you bring in. I mean,

16:02

I can make argument you're bringing in, you know,

16:04

Adrian Peterson and you just run the ball and.

16:06

That's a fun one. Or protect you on quarterback.

16:10

Or you could bring in Moss or Chris Carter

16:12

and have a target. I mean, those would be

16:14

the answers, right? It'd be someone to help on

16:17

offense more than anything else. Well,

16:19

unless you want to go with

16:21

the best defensive point or the best defensive players

16:23

of all time, Alan Page, drop him on the

16:25

defensive front and you're going to be a lot

16:27

better in the division where you need it. Like

16:31

the importance of this, of

16:34

the team right now is getting better on offense and

16:36

they're not going to go anywhere. You can

16:38

bring Alan Page in there. Their fate's no

16:40

different. They need a quarterback. And so you

16:43

look at taking a quarterback. If they hit

16:45

on the right quarterback, the Vikings,

16:48

the way it's breaking, as you look

16:50

at the flow and all the mock

16:52

drafts and everything else, it

16:55

seems to me like their position

16:57

pout as well as anybody. I don't know

17:00

why I'm almost whispering this. I don't want

17:02

the news to get out, maybe. But do

17:04

you see it that way that based on

17:08

the thing that happens as

17:11

the draft analysis wears on for another

17:13

week and another month that started in

17:16

August last year, is that

17:18

those names as they stack up, the quarterbacks as

17:20

of, for instance, as you see that. Now it's

17:23

like, okay, there are four options

17:25

for you to take a quarterback in the first

17:27

round here and maybe four and a half. Let's

17:31

start there. How many QBs are going to go? In

17:33

the first round? I think it's

17:35

viable in the first round. I think so too. I think

17:37

Penn X will go and Bo will be top in the

17:39

second round. But I

17:41

could see, look, this is a draft where teams, Denver

17:44

needs a quarterback, Dave. They have

17:47

to end the first round with a quarterback. And

17:49

let's just say no

17:51

one moves from where they're at. They'll

17:53

have the fifth quarterback to choose from. Is that Penn X

17:55

or is it Bo Nicks? I don't know. But

17:58

there could be surprise team that trades up. Like what

18:00

the Raiders trade up in front of the Vikings and Broncos

18:02

you end up with six guys draft in the top 12

18:05

of quarterbacks And it's certainly possible right

18:07

like that ends up happening because that

18:09

position is such the Vikings though like

18:12

To me outside Caleb Williams. I'm

18:15

not sure Drake mayor Jane Daniels or McCarthy

18:17

or Knicks or Pennis like trade up for

18:19

guys, you know, like if Minnesota trades up

18:21

to four from McCarthy Feels

18:23

pretty rich for McCarthy, right? Like you need

18:26

him to then play well, you

18:28

won't have your first-round pick next year I mean like you're giving

18:30

up a lot for McCarthy who

18:33

may be good day But a lot of us is

18:35

projection like me might be good. He

18:37

has some good throws He does some good

18:39

things, but we got to see more from him And

18:41

I'm not sure that's the guy you want to trade up

18:43

for you want to turn up for Patrick Mahomes, right? Now

18:45

that's the rarity of course You know a lot of times

18:47

it's trading up for Trubisky or for Carson Wentz, right? Like

18:49

those are a lot of times you trade up for guys

18:51

and the guy you ever traded for is not that great

18:53

Trading back by the way is always the answer But

18:56

I'm scared I

18:59

like the sweet spot of like not having

19:01

to make the choice like these two guys

19:03

are really good But one's gonna be better you

19:05

choose know you choose it I'll take the other

19:07

option and then at least I have the excuse

19:09

of like you're the one who'd made the choice

19:11

wasn't me I I was left with no choices

19:14

other than this one. So now we have to

19:16

ride. I wouldn't trade back I would be I

19:18

would feel like I'd be thumbing my nose at

19:20

the football gods to do that You're

19:23

my end Just

19:26

depends on your on your your draft grades

19:28

essentially and trading back But the point is

19:30

like I'm not sure Minnesota trading

19:32

up for any quarterback outside to

19:34

the Williams changes unfortunately It's Caleb Williams. I

19:36

mean changing their division fortune day because the

19:39

amount is Caleb Williams Almost

19:41

immediately becomes the best quarterback in the division Like

19:43

the Bears are set up really really well if

19:45

Caleb Williams is as good as I think he

19:48

can be that he comes in Right now he's

19:51

He might not be better than Jordan Love

19:53

and Jared Goff at this moment. But by

19:55

the end of year one probably will be.

19:57

and now you're looking at Minnesota with McCarthy

19:59

or someone else. And very

20:01

best. Burden. Of

20:03

he got out the way I can break his

20:05

though. I mean it's it's the and all the

20:07

rumors and all that time the south but you

20:09

know a could wind up that divides have a

20:12

shot to get. May. Or

20:14

may be Daniels bite Mccarthy. The thing

20:16

that happens though in our select the

20:18

brain I feel like is. That.

20:21

We. Sell. Caleb Williams is

20:23

now understood to be for all the debates that

20:25

have gone on for three months. like okay, that's

20:27

enough with his. Caleb Williams is the number one,

20:29

But you'll remember six weeks ago was I? I

20:31

don't know, Maybe Jaden Daniels's the batter Bad may

20:34

or may be Drake, mais the got is the

20:36

way to go and all of that kind of

20:38

stuff. Now it's it's saddled and it feels like

20:40

Caleb Williams is definitely going to go to Chicago.

20:42

Guess we agree on that. I know there, there's

20:44

no, it's all jibe. At this point that he

20:46

drugged erupted force his way out of they are

20:49

they would move out of their okay one and

20:51

we get into this tear. Thing of like. Oh.

20:54

Without those guys have now proven whenever they needed

20:56

to prove and are now not just probably going

20:58

to go in the first but they're going to

21:00

go in the top. Does. In pics

21:02

of the thing is. So then we convince

21:04

ourselves that they're now worthy of being picked

21:06

in that slot. But of course, we also

21:08

know that half of those guys are going

21:10

to bust out on asking them that at

21:12

that spot at that spot, celts divine forces

21:14

best you can. Who are the guys that.

21:17

I don't know. Let's be fair, let's

21:19

not even say by the end of

21:21

their rookie seasons let's say two years

21:23

about who's it understood Like boy boy

21:25

He really made a mistake taken blank

21:27

at quarterback with the with the fifth

21:29

overall. Probably. Mccarthy Hebrew You

21:31

ever taking over? Earnest super super

21:34

quarterbacks Know Dave is that. The

21:37

draft grade to me. Teams.

21:39

Ignore that because the value that position

21:41

right. So for example, most teams. don't

21:44

have three to four is wrong grades on guys

21:46

have a twenty right so it's guys have our

21:49

first round you're drafting to be on guys and

21:51

first round grades used you hungry the higher your

21:53

board but no i would think maybe i always

21:55

our as a i've got that know that why

21:57

i would go the other i would say they

21:59

probably have like They're forty five fifty

22:01

guys that are viable. Everyone only says it's

22:03

about 20 and about 20 But

22:06

again, like you know a high second round grade can

22:08

be a first round grade and it's

22:10

silly I mean McCarthy Nixon Penn

22:12

X for most most teams have

22:15

that upper second round grade, but

22:18

Because of their positional value and

22:21

the thirst again versus the one right? We're like they need

22:23

a quarterback in the they're not going with Jared Stinem and

22:25

whoever else is like they're not doing that Right and

22:28

and Sean Pains in win now mode

22:31

and they need a quarterback I don't McCarthy

22:33

Nixon Penn X is graded in the

22:36

first round for them But they need that guy data,

22:38

right? So you have to go up and get them

22:40

or hope it at 12 be able to draft the

22:42

guy you want You know people said that's maybe bow

22:44

Knicks. He fits that system a little bit better than

22:46

the Michael Penn X does. I don't know But

22:49

that's what makes the draft and especially this one Solution

22:52

of the top is because quarterbacks in Arizona could trade

22:54

I continue, New England Arizona wanted to get back the

22:56

charges moving back and it's all trade up to

22:58

get those quarterbacks All

23:01

right. I mean you say things that then I

23:03

want to go 15 minutes

23:05

in another direction But I'm gonna

23:07

try to be disciplined here and return back

23:09

to some of those little kernels You just

23:11

dropped there and stick to what we were

23:13

talking about here. So the Minnesota Vikings you

23:15

say they go quarterback I say that's too

23:17

easy You're not a novice Jeff Schwartz You

23:19

should have to avoid in the quarterback league

23:21

a Hall of Fame level quarterback that you're

23:23

gonna plug in too easy for you I

23:25

say but I'm Peter since a fun one

23:29

What about what about Ron

23:31

Yerry just go hall of fame offensive one?

23:33

Perfect It's

23:36

almost too easy to say Hall of Famer You should

23:38

have to be a non Hall of Famer to raise

23:40

the raise the standard a little bit But okay, we're

23:42

doing what we're doing. Well, let's finish it off here

23:45

the Kansas City Chiefs You

23:52

Don't know these guys but Carlos

23:54

Carson Stefan Page Tamra Van over

23:56

these were 80s wide receivers burners

23:58

for I would I mean, this is an

24:00

easy one, but I would bring Derek

24:02

Thomas back. That's

24:05

all. That'd be great. Boy, can you

24:07

imagine that? Like that's, I mean, because

24:09

you know, Chris Jones with him and

24:11

Karloff this, um, we

24:13

know the offense can survive without a wide receiver.

24:16

That's, you know, that's great. And they're going to

24:18

probably be without rice and that's for some portion

24:20

this year, Dave. So, um, they should be

24:22

able to talk about his offense without him, um, in

24:24

the lineup at some point. Um, so

24:27

yeah, to me it would, it would

24:29

be, I mean, you bring Thomas back.

24:31

Holy heck man. Like you're, and you

24:33

end up with an incredible pass rush

24:35

with young. Wait,

24:37

hold on a second. I'm sorry. It's

24:40

gotta be Tony Gonzalez though. Right? What have you, what

24:42

have, what about you go Kelsey and, uh, Tony Gonzalez,

24:44

and then you have two of the three best tight

24:46

ends in the history of people out there at once.

24:48

You don't need, but you don't need that. And often

24:51

we saw last year, they're fine. Just add a wide

24:53

receiver and, and be

24:55

done with it. Like they're out of wide receiving the

24:57

draft. Like they don't, because also be great. Don't get

24:59

me wrong, but rushing the passer

25:01

combined with their, with their, you know, with

25:04

their, with their cornerbacks and linebackers to me.

25:07

That's how I would do it. Go

25:10

get Barry word or the Nigerian nightmare.

25:12

Christian Akoya really bang up on all

25:14

those AFC pretty boy. You didn't use

25:16

a running back. I know. Yeah. I'm

25:19

just hired. I'm just in the way

25:21

back machine. That's all. Um, by

25:23

the way, quickly, you know,

25:26

they Rishi rice, if he hadn't

25:29

existed, would have been, his shoes

25:31

would have been filled by another

25:33

pass catcher in January

25:35

of 2024. I

25:37

don't know if the chief sort of won the

25:39

Superbowl. If it hadn't been Rishi rice specifically playing

25:41

in that spot. So what do they do now?

25:43

This is a mess. Don't they, doesn't this further

25:46

force their hand that they have to do something

25:48

at receiver is this, or am I a prisoner

25:50

of the moment? No, I actually wrote

25:52

about this pun intended. He's going to be a

25:54

prisoner, but he should be for that kind of

25:56

behavior is outrageous, but who

25:59

said this? He goes to jail or not, but he will

26:01

be so I don't know what do I know I'll be suspended and

26:03

you know for some point Possibly unless the

26:05

Chiefs try to you know delay delay delay

26:07

it and appeal until next season which certainly

26:09

happens in the NFL Is

26:12

look I I wrote this for Fox Sports Like I

26:15

wasn't sure if they would go wide receiver because the

26:17

Chiefs at 32 have done many different things They just

26:19

caught Edward so layer They didn't really need a running

26:21

back and that has not worked out The

26:23

draft of that defense event last year from Kansas State and

26:25

no one had on the radar. They would draft I mean

26:28

there is 32 wide receiver offensive

26:30

tackle which probably won't be available at that point

26:32

corner They might have a corner available at 32

26:34

to me It's wide receiver

26:36

right and now of course if rice is out a

26:38

month you got got you need

26:40

someone else you need like You know you lost

26:42

MVS There's a couple guys Maybe that's in that

26:45

32 spot to take over that role as a

26:47

deep wide receiver who catches the ball more frequently

26:50

You have rice, you know you have you have

26:52

Brown now and maybe Sky Moore

26:54

and could areas Tony have some sort of Help

26:57

you have walk through is not bad. You have Ross,

27:00

hopefully he's healthy I mean you just some other players

27:03

there But you got a wide receiver at 32 in

27:05

my opinion unless you love someone at 64 I

27:07

mean maybe but I think I

27:10

think you take someone 32 have the Chiefs

27:12

by the way Have they sort of transcended

27:14

the rough spot? I said you obviously you

27:16

know because you've made fun of me endlessly

27:18

for saying it but when Mahone

27:21

signed his big deal I

27:23

said okay So then there's the year lag before

27:25

it kicks in and that money starts to hurt

27:27

the overall roster and I said well He's been

27:29

on his best team doesn't mean he's never gonna

27:32

win again. Just means that the standard is right

27:36

and Then since I said that they've won

27:38

two Super Bowls What doesn't

27:40

make me wrong just means them? But

27:43

in 22 the money hadn't really kicked in yet. This

27:45

is the first year where it kicked in

27:48

But is it now offset by do

27:50

you reach a certain level? Almost

27:52

in an NBA kind of vibe actually I

27:54

guess it exists in the NHL and all

27:56

the sports at this point the

27:58

idea that like Well,

28:01

now we want to be a part of it. Like, oh,

28:03

I'm a vet and I get one year

28:05

deal it and try and ring Chase here. Like,

28:07

I feel like they're kind of, the Chiefs are

28:09

in that spot now, right? Like, I'll latch on

28:11

there to try and ring Chase with

28:13

50. I mean, they got the one year deal with Brown,

28:15

right? That's, I think that's part of it, the one year

28:17

deal. Who they bring last

28:19

year, Drew Trankel got that one year sort of vet

28:21

deal last year. He got extensions,

28:24

he played really well. Absolutely, if

28:26

I was a player in that situation, I

28:28

would ring Chase with Kansas City. We saw, I mean, Suggs did

28:30

it and I hear he had it ringed, but he did it

28:33

with the Chiefs in 2019. Yeah, players

28:35

will continually take discounts to win

28:37

a championship in Kansas City.

28:39

They have already made their money, right? You're not taking

28:41

a discount for that first contract, the first

28:43

big deal, like the, you know, the quote, quote,

28:45

second contract. You do it for the third contract,

28:47

right? Let's go win a championship. And

28:50

then Mahomes thinks everyone better. So you

28:52

don't have to have the best in offense. You

28:54

can spend other places. But look, the reason why

28:57

they won last year is because they've

28:59

drafted and developed so well in defense. Like that's

29:01

what they do. Spaghetti, how many times have you

29:04

heard your old pal Dave say that same thing?

29:06

Shorts and I park our cars in the same

29:08

garage. That's exactly right. All these things, like, what

29:10

can the Bills learn from what Mahomes is doing?

29:13

And what can the Ravens do, like

29:15

draft as well as the Chiefs have drafted the

29:17

last couple of years? Cause that's what's saved their

29:20

hide, right? Yes, it's also

29:22

the draft and development, right? They've

29:24

had first round picks, Trevor Duffy play well

29:26

and seventh round picks, quarterback play

29:28

well. The drafted linebackers had played well and obviously

29:30

they had to let one walk, but Tranquill fills

29:33

in. You know, defensive line, we saw like a

29:35

guy like Karloffis who just has slowly gone better,

29:37

right? Like year one, you're like, oh, I don't

29:39

know. Year two, last year, much, much better, right?

29:43

Even on the offensive side, Creed Humphrey and Trey Smith,

29:45

like you've done a good job of dropping, developing players.

29:47

Even Ray Shee Rice, you talked about him earlier, five

29:49

minutes ago, getting where he was at the start of

29:51

the season, at the end of the season, big

29:53

difference, right? He set the record for most playoff

29:55

catches by a wide receiver, right? Like the

29:58

ability to just continually... Grow

30:00

these guys in your program that allows them

30:02

to let speed walk and you have another

30:04

all pro cornerback order on the roster Like

30:06

you don't need you two is nice. Don't

30:08

need to one's fine So

30:11

they drafted develop really well, and that's how you have

30:13

to do it if you have a

30:16

Quarterback who's making 20% of the

30:18

salary cap look eventually Travis Kelsey will be off

30:20

that roster So will Chris Jones and you'll free up

30:23

a lot of money with those

30:25

guys yet to replace them somehow obviously Kelsey's

30:28

probably weird to say but you

30:30

probably find a tight end easier than a detackle

30:32

the way Chris Jones rushed to the passer But

30:35

you know the nose when those salaries come off

30:37

the board you have more room to navigate He'd

30:39

be also lose two Hall of Fame players. So

30:42

you won't be the same team Again,

30:45

let's put a pin in this one and talk about

30:47

it when we get closer to the season But I

30:49

the thing that's weird with Travis Kelsey that

30:51

we kind of like it's too people

30:54

are too cool to acknowledge That

30:59

That they didn't see this coming is like it

31:02

seemed like Travis Kelsey was finished this

31:04

year, right? Didn't it feel like okay?

31:06

Yeah lost a gear and then sure

31:09

enough in January. He flipped the switch again It's

31:11

like what game are you playing old man? Well,

31:13

what are you up to with this? It's like

31:15

load management and all of that What did you

31:17

do to like you played all the games or

31:20

most of the games during the season? He

31:22

had a he had a week off before

31:24

the Dolphins game We played incredible and we got

31:27

for the Super Bowl But that helps

31:29

like that's those are two best games in

31:31

the postseason, right? What is the Dolphins game

31:33

and then it was he played one the first

31:36

half against the the Bills? I was at the

31:38

Bills game the the Bills Chiefs game and Buffalo

31:40

and I was looking at Kelsey

31:42

Cuz he wouldn't have a like a play where

31:44

he'd run a long distance and come off the

31:46

field But he did he doesn't have that every

31:48

down play now, but in special games You

31:51

get the special Travis Kelsey and I think this

31:53

year is gonna be I'm curious where they

31:55

go with tight end Like I don't know if they have

31:57

if graze that guy but like you're gonna see a lot

31:59

of load management in my opinion with Kelsey

32:01

just reps but I mean how much load

32:03

management can there be with if Rishi Rice

32:05

I don't know what's gonna be but like

32:07

if he's shelved for half the year they're

32:09

really that now there's no MVS and for

32:11

all of the disdain he caught deservedly that's

32:13

the only thing

32:16

he caught last year but uh but um

32:18

you know I mean now you're really getting

32:20

down to it you better have somebody in

32:22

there it's very high pick I mean it's

32:24

very tough the load management thing that's very

32:26

tough to like doing the NFL so I

32:28

can say that Dave but you're right

32:30

like they're down 14

32:32

the third quarter it's like all right Travis we wanted to

32:34

rest you today but here you go you know like you

32:37

know it's hard to do that um but

32:39

they'll try to find probably sneaky ways Dave right

32:42

to like get him more rest make sure training

32:44

camp preseason because you know anybody plays those guys

32:46

in the preseason and like I imagine you you

32:48

might cut back Kelsey a little bit there you

32:51

might find different ways in middle of games to

32:53

give him a little more rest if you can

32:56

um and you know same with Chris Jones I mean

32:58

Chris Jones is getting up in age and you

33:00

know Chris Jones it's funny man like

33:03

this is not a knock on him but there are games

33:05

in the in the regular season you

33:07

don't know he's playing and then the

33:09

postseason he comes he's like he's like the best

33:11

player of all time on the field they're human

33:13

beings of course there's that they have been there

33:15

done that so many times and going to be

33:17

hard to get up for an early October game

33:20

that's the way it so I think

33:22

that him and Kelsey are on sort of this like

33:25

load management play and

33:28

that's what makes them so interesting because I feel

33:30

like as we enter and of course we have a long

33:33

to talk about this but as we preview next season it's

33:35

like chiefs

33:37

get to the postseason I'm taking the chiefs like

33:39

they've shown now that they're just trying to get

33:41

there almost like almost like the

33:43

Lakers like the Lakers are now they they they're

33:45

going to do the playing game against New Orleans

33:48

again I'm going to pick the Lakers to

33:50

win that game because that's what the Lakers do in the

33:52

postseason and they're probably going to end up in the Western

33:54

Conference Finals if they don't play the Nuggets in round one.

33:56

I love the fandom like

33:59

that's But Dave, why would I pick against them

34:01

unless they play Denver, of course, early in the postseason?

34:05

But their goal is to get to this

34:07

point healthy. AD's healthy, I think. LeBron's

34:10

healthy. The rest of the roster's ready to go. That's

34:12

the point. And now you get an NBA postseason. Again,

34:14

I think Denver beats them in a seven game series.

34:16

They beat anyone in a seven game series. But the

34:18

idea is like if they don't play Denver, if they're

34:20

the eighth seed, they

34:23

might play them in the Western Conference Finals because they're just trying to

34:25

get now. They're trying to get to this point. They have a lot

34:27

of rest in the first round. And the Chiefs

34:29

feel like that right now. We'll just get to the

34:31

postseason as healthy as possible. And

34:33

of course, we want to play home games and want

34:35

to buy. But it doesn't work always that way. And

34:37

let's just get to the postseason. By

34:39

the way, I love

34:43

the debate just about anything. I like

34:45

hierarchy. I don't like tears. I like

34:47

one, two, three. I like win-play show.

34:49

I don't like, well, they're all in

34:51

that conversation. But

34:53

where Jordan and LeBron are concerned, I know

34:55

people love this debate. They want to hear

34:57

it every day of their lives. From

34:59

now till the end of time. But I

35:02

mean, it's so apples and oranges now. It

35:04

is comparing Led Zeppelin to the Rolling Stones.

35:06

Like one had a

35:08

shelf life that was brief and

35:11

spectacular with no holes in it.

35:13

And that's Michael Jordan. You know,

35:16

okay, we could poke a couple holes in Jordan and Led

35:19

Zeppelin's recordography or whatever. But

35:23

the Rolling Stones have had a

35:26

lot of bad spots, but they've

35:28

also been around for five times

35:30

longer than Led Zeppelin

35:32

was. I think we now need to start.

35:34

This is the conversation now. Jordan

35:36

and LeBron, not either one. It's just

35:38

gotta be that way. I mean, it's

35:40

completely different things compared. Correct, it is.

35:44

My mom, by the way, her funeral

35:46

playlist, Stairway to Heaven has to be on it. She told

35:48

me I have to play at her funeral. Is

35:51

that right? I

35:53

think so. My mother went somewhere over the rainbow. Oh,

35:55

it's gonna be a tearjerker. I'm

36:00

not a big concert person. It doesn't, I don't know. I haven't

36:02

been a lot. I don't dislike them.

36:05

My mom went to one though, I

36:07

think it was in 1972, 73 Rolling Stones, Stevie Wonder, open

36:11

for Rolling Stones at the Forum. How about that?

36:14

That's quite a thing. That would be- The

36:16

80's old man was at Woodstock. Oh

36:19

wow. Can't beat that. No, no.

36:21

But that's a pretty good. I'm not

36:23

surprised to hear that about you. I've

36:25

never in the dozen years or whatever

36:27

I've known Jeff Schwartz, I can't ever

36:29

recall talking about music with you for

36:32

17 seconds. I

36:34

mean, my mom is classic rock and

36:36

then my dad is not, he was

36:38

the variety of stuff. I grew up listening to like

36:40

West Coast hip hop. So that's like what, like

36:43

Tupac and it's my- Dre, have

36:45

earbuds in or whatever pre-game. No,

36:48

I did. I listened to two things. I listened

36:50

to that music and listened

36:52

to electric dance music. We've been over this

36:54

before, I think. Well, we have been over

36:57

this before. Anything that

36:59

isn't that you, as long as your answer isn't

37:01

corn or limp biscuit, I'm okay with that. No,

37:03

I know. Like we're going to Vegas this weekend.

37:05

My wife's going to see Mariah Carey with her

37:07

friend. And then Sunday, I think we're going

37:09

to like a beach club with a DJ. I'm

37:12

just saying at the beach, it's Sunday. Jeff

37:15

Schwartz and his Mackie Mackie

37:17

tropical. Oh yeah. Hawaiian shirt

37:20

and shorts. And those shoes. Just listen

37:22

to like DJ Nova play. Grow

37:24

up already, would you Schwartz? Okay. By

37:27

the way, the correct answer for the Chiefs all time

37:29

is Tyree Killen is prime. That's who you would plug

37:31

into that roster over there. I thought about that. It's

37:34

their- That's the answer. They're very fortunate

37:36

to be able to have and multiple Hall of Famers will

37:38

help their team. Okay, quickly. New

37:40

York Giants, go. Spaghetti said Eli Manning then

37:43

changed it to one of the tight ends.

37:45

Maybe Plexico, how say you? I

37:50

mean, how do you not take LT? I

37:52

know, it's just no fun. I don't understand

37:55

how you don't do that. You have

37:57

to. That's the answer. Give me like a... I

38:00

think they can use it on Chris Knee again,

38:02

like just like an offensive lineman who just can,

38:04

like an elite knee. Like,

38:07

I mean,

38:10

these answers, LT, I guess. I mean,

38:12

Black School Burts would help obviously. I saw a stat today

38:14

that was like, I think it's, I think it was the

38:16

Giants. They had the least amount

38:18

of first quarter touchdowns in the last three years

38:20

in the NFL, which is just

38:23

a really bad Daniel Jones stat. And

38:25

obviously he hasn't played all that time.

38:28

But the fact is like, that's when you're supposed

38:30

to score the most touchdowns because you script that

38:32

entire start of the game. And

38:36

first quarter touchdowns were in the last three years.

38:38

The Giants have eight. Eight. You

38:40

know what you need? You need a

38:42

Swiss army knife. He knows how to find

38:44

the end zone through different methods. You're talking

38:46

about Frank Gifford, number 16. Okay,

38:49

we're not working. Dave, if the player

38:51

played before you were born, they don't tell him

38:53

it's Swiss, okay? Imagine

38:55

if you drop in his prime Frank Gifford out there,

38:57

Judd McNary almost killed him on the field. I mean,

39:00

you almost died, right? From that clothesline. What are you

39:02

gonna do now if someone tells them? All

39:04

right, LT is no fun. And lastly, the

39:06

Detroit Lions and shame

39:08

the devil. It's gotta be Billy Sims. It's

39:10

gotta be Billy Sims back there. Great,

39:14

it's running back in Detroit Lions history.

39:17

Not, uh, not, not, not Johnson. You don't

39:19

want a wide receiver for golf? Okay,

39:23

that's fun. Okay, Calvin Johnson, it is.

39:25

Yeah, I think we have a- Ash

39:27

settle. Okay, next thing. You're the

39:29

O-line expert and then we'll let you go. I would just

39:31

want to talk to you about this quickly. I

39:34

don't like that the football gods are

39:36

having a laugh at our expense. You

39:38

as an O-line expert, are you especially

39:40

vexed by the fact that there are

39:43

three first round prospects named

39:45

Fuaga, Fantinu, and Foshanu?

39:48

It's very confusing, very

39:50

confusing. Fuaga,

39:53

you're right, Fuaga, Foshanu, and Fotanu.

39:56

Two West Coast guys and then Olu, Penn State.

39:58

Yeah, that's actually, I didn't- I haven't thought about that,

40:00

but it is funny when you mention it, because people will text me

40:02

about, like, I got a text today about how much you like to

40:04

put on it, and I was like, Washington.

40:07

Okay, Washington. Yeah. Well,

40:09

they're probably confused too. They're like, oh no, I meant

40:11

the Penn State kid. That's not who I meant. And

40:14

what's interesting is they could go like 9, 10, 11,

40:17

like they could just go back to back to back at

40:20

some point in

40:22

this draft. I think none will

40:24

go to your Steelers, right? 20, there's no, I think

40:27

they're going to tackle a center, right?

40:29

Probably maybe. Well, that's what I want

40:31

to specifically get into with you. Now,

40:35

O-line ad nauseam,

40:37

have I said, Andy Weidl is

40:39

there to identify and bring in

40:41

line of scrimmage dominators with like

40:43

the attitude. People get really into

40:45

like, he's nasty. And I do

40:47

think that matters because 300 pound

40:50

men, like we've talked about, we can assess

40:54

their agility and their foot speed, their quickness

40:56

and all that kind of stuff that I,

40:58

to me, it feels like the offensive line

41:01

is where the combined has

41:03

its value because, okay, they're all 300

41:06

pound guys, but like, Oh,

41:08

his, you know, this guy's plainly quicker

41:10

and a little bit stronger than the other 300 pound guy.

41:13

How do you miss on that? Is it

41:15

attitude? Is that, is that the thing that

41:17

why a guy who has all the attributes

41:19

doesn't make it at the highest level? Cause

41:21

it doesn't seem like there'll be any explanation

41:23

for it. But they like, we just miss

41:25

red. How strong you will. Well, there's plenty

41:27

of explanation to what guys don't succeed. I

41:30

think it's very often that they don't want it. I

41:33

mean, we've had very, there's a couple examples with, I

41:35

won't focus on the bus, but of

41:37

guys that had drafted high, just didn't have

41:39

it inside of them, which Greg Robinson judge.

41:41

Well, who Greg Robinson was

41:44

like the most hand-missed guy of

41:46

like a game. And then he

41:48

was a bust. I mean, and

41:50

Danny Watkins was drafted by the Eagles famously, like

41:52

didn't really want to play football. But

41:55

the Greg Robinson was interesting because this is, I think the

41:57

issue at times. If you watch his

41:59

film. in college. Nothing he did

42:02

at Auburn was anything like he do in

42:04

the NFL. Like the college offense is

42:06

sometimes are so different than what they asked the

42:08

players to do that when they get into an

42:10

NFL offense is like, oh, they can't

42:12

do any of things that they need to do because they didn't do

42:14

any of them at Auburn. And now we of course, we don't

42:17

let guys develop, they play right now. And

42:19

they're confident gets shot it gets ruined. But

42:21

I think more anything else, Dave, it's two

42:23

things sort of combined. It's offensive line coach,

42:26

and it's scheme fit, right? You look at

42:28

like an Andy Heck, a Jeff Stalin, and

42:30

Bill Callahan. Any guy they drafted is

42:32

good, because they developed them. They were you

42:34

know, and they know how to develop those

42:36

guys. I mean, Stalin had guys first round

42:38

picks to Jordan Milano, right? Andy, we I

42:40

mean, he heck has had pretty Humphrey and

42:42

trace Smith to my brother, Eric Fisher, what he did

42:44

with the Fisher, I was there for the first year

42:47

like to where he got to Fisher, Bill Callahan, anywhere

42:49

he's been has done a good job. So a lot

42:51

of its offensive line coach and then scheme fits. I'll

42:53

give you an example of my career. So the Giants

42:55

obviously signed me in 2014. They brought in

42:57

Ben Maffadou. I did not fit

42:59

that offense. Like they should not have targeted me.

43:02

I didn't know that at the time, I didn't

43:04

know what offense we're gonna run. But when I

43:06

was not a different office, that was a shotgun

43:08

heavy offense, two point stance. You're

43:10

like, I'm down, I need to have my hand

43:12

in the dirt. I need to move forward. Like

43:14

it wasn't the offense that was fit for me

43:16

and they should keep quite honest with you. They

43:18

should have looked at me. It is amazing. Well,

43:20

but but that's what that's what is makes

43:23

my head spin. This is their job. This

43:25

is all they're doing. The whole year is

43:27

trying to figure that out. They don't they

43:29

don't know the team driving you like, yeah,

43:31

in hindsight, boy, he really doesn't do what

43:33

we want to do. How does that happen?

43:35

I think part of it is, is you

43:38

don't know, because of the college

43:40

from again, like there's things that guys just don't do. You

43:42

just made it assumption why he's a good enough athlete that

43:45

we'll be able to teach him to do what we want

43:47

to do. Like a Mary's Mims, the kid from Georgia, right?

43:49

He has shown a ton of potential hasn't played a lot

43:51

of snaps. And Pittsburgh might be one to draft them. And

43:53

it's like one of those things where it's like, I think

43:55

he's gonna be good. I have people

43:57

I know Duke, many other trains them. I know Duke best

43:59

friend on two things you would be good, but like

44:02

we don't really know. There's not a lot of

44:04

films, not a lot of reps to show the

44:06

repetition that it takes to be good. And a

44:08

lot of times, you know this very well, you've

44:10

been in this general a lot now, there's an

44:12

ego involved with coaching and coaches think like they

44:14

can fix someone, right? A lot of those guys.

44:16

Yeah. Yeah. And so they bring in guys that

44:18

might not fit this team. Plus, I think sometimes

44:21

scouts, personnel guys don't really understand

44:23

the position, right? Don't

44:25

understand what a guy does

44:27

well. How could that be? How could

44:29

you be a scout not know what

44:31

the position is? That seems weird. Okay.

44:34

So for example, I got told by people that

44:36

I was not a good zone blocker or they weren't looking

44:39

because I was too big. That's the best thing I did.

44:41

Like reaching a three technique was like the best thing I

44:43

did. I was great at it. I wasn't great at pulling.

44:45

I just, and they're like, no, you're big and fat and

44:47

slow and guard. You should be able to pull. I'm like,

44:50

I was terrible at it. Like why would you let me

44:52

do that? I'm not good at it. So it,

44:55

you know, like, I don't know, Dave,

44:57

those are all the reasons why some guys don't

44:59

hit injuries play

45:01

role. And obviously if you get injured as young player,

45:03

they kind of can derail your career, but those are

45:06

sort of all reasons why offensive lineman don't hit as

45:08

well. And you look at the guys in this draft

45:10

and we have very good film on a

45:12

lot of them. Like, and I think we're

45:14

seeing offenses in college football transition back to

45:16

being more not pro stop that looks like

45:19

a, like a professional offensive line. And

45:21

you look at the guys on top with Alton

45:23

and you mentioned Olu and, and for all gun

45:25

for Tano, all these guys going down the list. They,

45:28

they, their film looks like it would in the

45:30

NFL and they'd be asked to block

45:32

what they would in the NFL. And

45:34

I think that's a really good thing for the

45:36

process in this class. All

45:40

that said about this, you know, everybody

45:42

keeps saying tackle and you know, there, there

45:44

are a number of centers that have emerged

45:47

that look like quality options there too. I

45:49

don't like in the age of free agency

45:51

and that you have four years to, like

45:53

you say, to get this kid to where

45:56

you want them to be and make a

45:58

determination if you want to keep. them long

46:01

term. Um, it's a,

46:04

are you better served the draft for

46:06

need in this age or back in

46:08

the seventies or whatever? Um, cause to

46:10

me, I feel like, I

46:13

don't know if I'm getting, the Steelers taking

46:16

a center in the first round because they

46:18

need to have one. They literally don't have

46:20

one on the roster right now. I kind

46:22

of feel like shouldn't Trump Byron

46:24

Murphy if he is the dominator, if he

46:26

is the guy, especially the way the game

46:28

is going and how much you want to

46:30

react to like, Hey, you know what's borderline

46:33

essential for the winning teams these days is

46:35

inside pressure. The guys who can do it,

46:37

three down interior defensive lineman, and this might

46:40

be one. I don't feel like well, you

46:42

kind of have to take that guy, not

46:44

the position and need. I think

46:46

it depends on again, not to go back

46:48

to this, but like where you grade those

46:51

guys, right? Like if you have them equally

46:53

graded Dave, then I think you have to

46:55

decide. But my only point about, I made

46:57

this about the Steelers, for example, but really

46:59

the center position was we talk about the

47:01

value of that position. Like is it as

47:03

valuable as other positions? I'll tell you this

47:05

though, was was pouncy valuable to Pittsburgh? Like

47:07

if you're if you draft that center and

47:09

he's good, you get 10 to 12 15

47:12

years. It's pretty good value, right? Dave?

47:14

Well, yeah, well, that's I mean, people

47:16

are upset. You know what people get

47:18

to be known for positively teams get

47:20

to be known positively and negatively for

47:23

certain attributes. I that's

47:25

something as

47:27

a fan of certain teams. I

47:29

love the consistency of the

47:32

way teams win people, you know, in

47:34

Pittsburgh, people love like Dave Steelers, they

47:36

they play defense and they run the

47:38

ball. And it does feel like to

47:41

me, con Tomlin, why it'll really do

47:43

want to do exactly that. And

47:45

the center and you talk about what

47:47

the Steelers are known for specifically from

47:49

Webster to DeMonte Dawson, our

47:52

keys pouncy, that's a pretty

47:54

strong lineage is Jackson powers

47:56

Johnson from your ducks, a

47:59

guy for them to take it number 20. I

48:01

think he's feeling really well with what they want to do. And

48:05

he the mindset of him,

48:07

I know him well, like his mindset's very

48:10

Pittsburgh, like blue collar, he do he just

48:12

loves football, like that's his entire life. But

48:14

he is a football

48:16

guy. You know, he

48:18

doesn't have many holes. Like when you watch him play,

48:20

there's not much negative in there. He spas it out

48:22

every now and then. But

48:24

his ability to just be big in the middle of

48:27

an off like he's really good pass protector, which I

48:29

think will be important. Because then you have two quarterbacks

48:31

there to hold the ball as long as possible. So

48:33

having pass protectors, actually forgot Wilson was on the studios

48:35

for a second. I was looking at the roster, the

48:38

depth chart is off until I was like, Oh, Wilson's

48:40

there. As it settles in,

48:42

you've come around, right? It's gonna be yields, ultimately,

48:44

right? I mean, I maybe not, not maybe not

48:46

week one, but I bet you by week eight

48:49

or so it's fields. No, you say it's gonna

48:51

be rust. Well, I mean, maybe by week eight,

48:53

but then your season is lost by that if

48:55

you go to fields in my true, that's my

48:58

concern. If you give him the gig and like

49:00

you gotta lose it rust before fields takes it

49:02

like, well, how what is that what defines Russ

49:05

has lost the job? How many losses to

49:07

win loss column is that going

49:09

to mean like you're two and five, you know, like that's

49:11

like that. I mean, I don't think it gets

49:13

that severe. I don't think they'd let it get that bad. I was

49:17

arguing with it was Greg Roosevelt thing. It was

49:20

like, don't not guarantee

49:22

he's the starter. Wilson start I go, but

49:24

I'm like, the problem with this idea is that

49:27

there's not a lot of practice time. There's not

49:29

a lot of time for Justin to take the job from

49:31

Russell Wilson. There's no there's one practice

49:33

a day, and the reps are limited. So

49:35

like, let's say that in

49:37

a training camp practice between seven on

49:39

seven and team periods, you have this

49:42

is your 50 reps for the ones. You

49:44

lose all 50 reps for the ones Russell

49:46

Wilson does, like you can't go 25 and 25.

49:50

That doesn't help anybody that doesn't help the

49:52

offensive line to wide receivers, the running backs, it

49:54

doesn't help looking at defensive playing with your guys

49:56

in front of you. So even if you go

49:58

40 10 Dave That's not even enough

50:00

for Fields to show what he can do. And then

50:03

the preseason and Tom and plays guys in the preseason,

50:05

like most better coaches do, right? Like, well,

50:07

if you have, if you split one and one, a series,

50:09

by the way, a series, like, okay, maybe

50:12

I guess, but what does the eight plays

50:14

really do for you? Nothing. Like, so there's

50:16

not, there's not time. Like back in the

50:18

old days, when you had two practices, you

50:20

can have Russell Wilson have one practice with

50:22

the ones and Fields have the next practice

50:24

with the ones. That's one day. You still

50:27

have another 30 practices coming up. But you

50:29

get like, would you get six

50:31

prices a week now? I think maybe five in

50:33

training camp and two are in pads. And then

50:35

there's no time to let guys compete

50:38

like this. You have to decide in my opinion,

50:40

early on, like, and she was like, Wilson's that

50:42

guy when you, when you open OTAs that is

50:44

next week, right? Dave, like the first practice, if

50:47

Wilson understand, that's his job to lose. And he's not going

50:49

to lose it in the preseason. I

50:51

hear you, but I also do

50:53

think that they brought in Russ

50:55

and there was some expectation if

50:58

Kenny Pickett is good, he's going to beat this

51:01

guy out. Then Kenny Pickett, it's like, we can

51:03

get Russ, we're going to move on from Pickett.

51:06

Pickett is not Omar Khan's guy. I

51:08

think that does matter. I think Tomlin

51:10

liked him. And I think Tomlin ultimately

51:12

has the say, but I think Khan

51:14

that they're that just like any other

51:16

job out there in the world, like,

51:18

I didn't draft you kid.

51:20

The other guy drafted you and it does

51:22

matter. Um, but

51:25

once fields is there and available

51:27

and they can, they can grab

51:29

them. They do exactly that. And

51:31

I think the notion of

51:33

bringing in Russ changes as soon as they bring

51:35

it. I wondered the respect level that they have

51:38

for us. Like, well, you kind of said

51:40

I was going to be the guy. Now you have

51:42

Justin Fields. I think they would like to roll with

51:44

fields. Yeah. I mean, I think, I

51:47

think, I think if they were in their, in their.

51:50

Ideally fields would beat out Wilson. That's

51:52

probably the best outcome for the

51:54

future of the Steelers, but I don't

51:56

know if there's, there's enough practice time to make

51:58

that happen. Interesting do it because

52:01

they want to do it like they're gonna let Wilson

52:03

try to win that job. I would

52:05

imagine that Fields

52:07

better represents the future for Pittsburgh than

52:09

Russell Wilson does right? I

52:12

mean you've talked about us a lot like what Pittsburgh

52:14

should really do my opinion is be bad for a

52:16

season and draft a quarterback, but We're

52:19

trying to talk that into reality, but

52:21

they're going to be so they're they're

52:23

too prideful to do that but I'm

52:26

not prideful. You made it into a negative. They're

52:28

just not they're not wired to like yeah, let's

52:30

just have a Suctacious season they're

52:32

not the Cleveland Browns or the point where Steelers but

52:34

they but that's that's the only way you're gonna find

52:36

the quarterback You need for the future though. That's the only thing

52:39

like I'm not Obviously, that's not

52:41

true Tom Brady's the best quarterback of all time and

52:43

they got him in the sixth round in his underpants

52:45

I mean like that Russell Wilson was a third-round pick.

52:47

You don't have to do Take

52:50

a guy in the top three big Isn't

52:52

our wire though most quarterbacks in

52:54

NFL the franchise quarterbacks are first round draft

52:57

picks So you're gonna take one the first round. Okay first

52:59

round. Okay, my home Right.

53:01

My home went behind Mitchell Trubisky. So like,

53:03

you know that that's the inexact science That's

53:05

what people forget about like we gotta get

53:08

one of those guys like Not

53:10

necessarily because half those guys that are in the top

53:12

five or ten picks are gonna bust out themselves Anyway,

53:15

listen Jeff Schwartz you're the best

53:17

because I could go on for it Like

53:19

what you've started now another three

53:21

hours worth of conversation. Look at your look

53:23

at look at your texts Damaged

53:26

chicks probably hitting you up to ask you

53:28

some questions off of some of the stuff

53:30

that we just talked about here Jeff Schwartz

53:32

is smarter than you Fox Sports. He is

53:34

an essential follow Especially

53:36

right now because everybody's pretending they

53:38

know anything about Tyler Guyton or

53:40

a Marius Mims They don't Jeff

53:42

Schwartz actually does in his past

53:45

Duke Mayweather does too. He's another great follow

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Jeff Schwartz. Let's catch up I don't know when

53:49

sometime soon. Maybe when you're out here in LA,

53:51

let's go play around the golf. How about that?

53:54

You know, I'll be in LA in June. Perfect.

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54:43

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54:45

or The Bread Man or

54:47

both, Igor Shastirk and all the rest of

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it. You're looking forward to it. Anything you

54:52

wanna throw out there that Jeff Schwartz said

54:54

that caught your ear? Yeah,

54:57

with the Giants, he's not wrong.

54:59

I just think that the lack of touchdowns in

55:01

the fourth quarter, it's just, it's been

55:04

a bad stretch for quite some time. And I

55:06

think we're probably at the point where even if

55:08

it's not fully Daniel Jones's fault, you gotta move

55:10

on. I understand multiple head coaches, multiple offensive coordinators,

55:12

not a lot of talent around them, ton of

55:14

injuries around them. They're probably gonna lose Darren Waller

55:16

retirement this year. Giants had a lot of holes,

55:19

but the problem is they're not gonna be worse

55:21

than they were this past season. So they're gonna

55:23

suck me like in this purgatory thing. So if

55:26

they don't get one of these quarterbacks, I

55:28

would also hate to pass up a guy like neighbors

55:30

or Arduinze who should be, by all accounts, they're

55:33

on the track to be these generational wide receivers.

55:35

So it's a very strange spot for the Giants.

55:37

But on the flip side, I think I've mentioned

55:39

this to you before, we're in this weird era

55:41

of the NFL where it's like, even if you

55:43

are the second round grade quarterback, you're now going

55:45

in the first round, not just like the end

55:47

of the first round and going in like the

55:49

upper half, the top 10 of the first round,

55:51

which I'm pretty against too. We've

55:54

convinced, but like the

55:56

draft process, which is six months lasts

55:58

so long that you can... of

56:00

like you wind up with

56:02

JJ McCarthy in your brain. Like, well, he's

56:04

one of those guys. He's one of those

56:07

first round guys where you forget that four

56:09

months ago, you didn't think that about him.

56:11

You just heard enough people pound the

56:13

table for him. You're like, well, maybe, maybe he's

56:15

that guy. Maybe he is a guy who can

56:17

carry a team to a Superbowl in his first

56:19

four or five years. You know, I

56:22

hear what you're saying. There are a lot of frauds

56:24

in other words. Yeah. It's a bad spot. And that

56:26

goes back to what you were saying. You take need

56:28

or you take BPA. And it's like, again, you have

56:30

not had a dynamic receiver since, you know, Odell Beckham,

56:32

who they had to trade away. And

56:34

it's like if you have neighbors there, and if you have

56:37

O'Dunes there, you take them and then, you know, hope for

56:39

the best, the quarterback position, and you take one of them

56:41

next year. And I'm tired of people saying, oh, the next

56:43

year's class is not as good. Like, you never know. There's

56:45

always a Joe Burrow. Like, Jaden Daniels is not supposed to

56:47

be in this part. I mean, neither is McCarthy or for

56:49

that matter of Knicks or Panics going the first round. They

56:52

weren't supposed to be either. So I'm okay with pushing

56:54

it, you know, kicking it to next year. Trade

56:56

up then if you have to. Because I think

56:58

there's still enough count. They will kind of etch

57:00

out seven wins or so. So

57:02

it's just, you know, right now it's a it's

57:04

a very interesting time in sports. We're close to

57:06

the the draft. We're hearing all these rumors right

57:09

now for, you know, right before the NHL playoff

57:11

starts. So I kind of could exhale a little

57:13

bit. NBA playoffs. The seating is here. The play

57:15

is happening. I'm still not that nervous. And the

57:17

baseball season for us is going pretty well. So

57:19

right now on April 15th, I'm not doing too

57:21

bad. No, no.

57:24

I've yeah. And like I said, at

57:26

the top, hockey's for nerds. So that's no matter to me. What

57:28

do I care that the penguins may not be in the play.

57:31

And looking like they're not going to be in the play. It's

57:33

the so what? Because the buckos are 11 and five. And that's

57:35

cool. That's what I'm what.

57:37

Go ahead, spaghetti. Go ahead. Yeah, it's no,

57:39

I mean, we're recording this about what? Four

57:42

hours, five hours before Rangers puck drop versus

57:44

the Senators. And it could go very poorly.

57:46

They could lose this game, not lose the

57:48

Metro, lose the number one overall.

57:50

See the AK, the president's trophy. I'm

57:53

all about it. You know, on the flip side, it could

57:55

go really well. And Aaron can get his 50th goal. Matt

57:57

Rambien get into a fight tonight, which I'd love to see

57:59

in person. I could win the Presidents Cup and

58:01

then win the Metro, which I'd be really, really happy with

58:03

the teams in MSG, the Knicks getting the two seed after

58:05

like the Bucks and the Cavs and a bunch of teams

58:07

are ahead of them. And the Rangers, you know, people had

58:09

the, it was like, Oh no, it's for sure the devils.

58:12

And it's for sure. The Kane's way ahead of the Rangers

58:14

range. It'd been the number one team in terms of points

58:16

in the NHL. It's, it's

58:19

crazy what's going on in midtown Manhattan. So

58:21

I'm very excited. It was so much fun

58:23

watching that rags Islanders game. Didn't have a

58:25

care in the world. Little did I know

58:27

that the penguin season was probably going to

58:29

be over by the time the stroke of

58:31

midnight hit very sad.

58:33

Maybe they can still come back, but enjoy

58:35

your rags game. Glad we'll hear the story

58:37

later in the week. I

58:40

talk about a lot is big

58:42

games, who you watching with and who

58:44

you get to communicate with while you're

58:46

watching those is everything to me and

58:50

you in a hospital room with your old

58:52

man and the family. That was a great

58:54

story. And we'll hear that best of him.

58:56

Glad to hear he's doing well. Upcoming

58:59

this week. Like we say, we have, we're,

59:01

we got two more shows yet to go

59:03

here. We got to track down Martin Weiss

59:06

to get some NBA forecasting me, you and

59:08

Henschel get in on the NBA and the

59:10

Stanley cup playoffs. So much to talk about.

59:12

And we're just now getting it going this

59:14

week. Stick around with us on extra points

59:16

network. All the great shows going for you.

59:19

Check them all out. And until next time,

59:21

thanks so much for it's been, it's been

59:23

a thin slice of heaven.