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welcome back to miss

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i am him here today with lance

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land so are

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today i'm doing fantastic

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to date him because we're speaking with someone

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who wrote a great book a great true crime

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book and you know how much i

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love true crime books you love true crime

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books i'm an open book about it you

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need to be an open book about how you feel today

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i'll , one of

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the great land thanks land lot for asking

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is specially in such specially creative way a

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really circled around that one for a while you

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dead and

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so we speak with a new for

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in the here today in this episode her

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name is ladonna humphrey she

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is an author she's a mom

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and she's a private investigator

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lance and she is really

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impressive and she wrote a book called

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the girl i never knew who

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killed melissa wit and

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it is about the tragic

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and unsolved murder of

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melissa with she went

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missing went missing of ninety ninety

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four and her body was discovered

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about forty five miles away

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in january of nineteen ninety

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five she was found in the ozark

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national forest and she

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was nineteen years old when

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or life was taken from her and we know that wouldn't

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have been such a great job she's been working on it for

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almost a decade now and the book like we

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said is great and as we speak with

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madonna we just see how much work she's put into this how

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much of herself she's given to this

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particular unsolved murder

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he's been working on it for about 8

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years i guess could say we're going on

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decade with this and she won't stop

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i don't know if she actually said it

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in this but she is determined to figure out

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what happened melissa she's almost become

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like a kindred spirit to her, which i think it's

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an incredible display of empathy yeah, it is

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a tragic case lance it seems

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like it should solvable even

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though technically still unsolved, ladonna

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has been on the case and i

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trust your judgment she's been working with police so

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welcome to the podcast le

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donna humphrey how are you today

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i'm great thank you so much for having

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me

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you are more than welcome and

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you're more than welcome to come on the show at

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any point in the future i

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simply because he or express how nervous

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you were to speak with us before this interview

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and i'm it that did a little bit for the ego

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i appreciate

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i have three favorite podcast

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completely excited about today

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my my friends are given me a hard time today

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they said it was fan darling so maybe i am

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that i'm i'm super

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that we're we're excited

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to and to be honest i

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would be lying if i we're to say that i

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wasn't nervous to speak with you because

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i always get a little bit anxious

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speaking with people who have

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the resume that you do

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as a writer investigative journalists

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you're a private investigator and

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that's something that i really

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hold in high esteem so

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ah i think the the butterflies

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are all over the place here

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well this will all be nervous

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and have a good time at

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sounds good

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well before we get into melissa's case

6:30

can you tell us a little bit about your

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history i guess being an investigative

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journalist and a private investigator and

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an advocate for i'm victims of crime

6:41

sure i am i

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i attended the university of arkansas i'm

6:45

and pursued journalism as my degree

6:48

and then ended up really shelving

6:50

it for very long time started a family

6:53

and and did some of the

6:55

traditional things that people do and

6:57

finally woke up one morning and said you know

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i'm i'm

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i'm ready to you know to didn't

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to make a difference and so long

7:04

story short is that am

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i ended up

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helping to cofounder nonprofit that

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offered services to families

7:13

that had missing adults we did that

7:15

for about a decade until our services are no

7:17

longer needed there was the rise of

7:19

the government database name us and

7:22

our services sort of

7:24

phased out and we wanted

7:26

to finish strong an idea

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was to film

7:30

a documentary we ended up choosing the

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melissa wit case and that's

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when things changed

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for me you know the minute i met the detectives

7:39

i learned about their passion and then i learned

7:41

more about the case i was pretty

7:43

much hooked and determined

7:46

to get her justice and so since

7:48

that think the kind of progressed it led

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me to get , p i

7:52

license and dig deeper

7:54

into this case than really anybody

7:56

else ever has so it's

7:58

nothing that nothing regret that been a

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lot of hard work and i hope that and and it pays

8:03

off

8:04

i want to make sure i didn't miss hear that you

8:07

received your private investigator license

8:10

because of this case

8:12

yeah i had

8:14

, working closely with law enforcement and

8:17

wanted to take it even further for the case

8:19

and and really felt like

8:21

it was important that i was gonna be able

8:23

to get my p i license so license studied

8:26

and so i did it and in here

8:28

i am that was last year so you

8:30

know i'm a year into that i do take on some

8:32

other investigative work that primarily

8:35

i use it for the which case

8:36

that's really cool well how did you

8:39

have such a good working

8:41

relationship with law enforcement

8:43

you know just a really unique saying

8:46

you , when i went to interview them

8:48

initially i was really green

8:50

to even putting together a documentary

8:53

much you know much less talking to

8:55

investigators about a cold case that

8:58

what happened and through that process

9:00

is that i was sincerely and genuinely

9:02

seeking their their

9:05

and advice to try to learn more about the case

9:07

and they saw the effort said i

9:09

would have been making on social media

9:12

growing you know all the sudden you

9:14

know my facebook page for melissa you

9:16

know blew up to fourteen thousand people

9:19

thousand i started saying that the work was bringing

9:21

and leads and so it was and so

9:23

where i built some trust and

9:26

then i became an probably

9:28

it out i think it's safe to say an equal partner

9:30

in this investigation because we all work together

9:32

now and you know i've

9:35

been doing this now for seven years with them

9:37

and and we we the

9:38

we built a fantastic relationship

9:40

wow

9:43

how cool and dot tell us about

9:45

the process that you

9:47

went through to get your p i license

9:50

a long did it take how many hours did

9:52

you have to put in and things like that

9:54

what i did that

9:57

is i interviewed with some p

9:59

i from here on in

10:02

the state that i live in arkansas and

10:05

really wanted to partner with one

10:08

particular and so they took

10:10

a chance on me and a rookie what

10:12

to try to become at the ice and

10:15

started helping the study putney putting

10:17

in the hours before they would even support

10:19

me to take the test they wanted to see me put

10:22

in about fifteen hundred hours and

10:24

so i did do that and

10:27

then yeah i took the test

10:29

the test with a lot harder than i had the

10:31

dissipated i'm in i was

10:33

be and one other person taken the test that day

10:35

so super nerve wracking and

10:38

you have to make and eighty percent and

10:41

eighty was scared to death but luckily

10:43

fortunately luckily did and after

10:46

that point to then i will continue

10:48

to put my hours and with the agency

10:51

and and i put my hours and work in the wake case

10:53

so probably at this point

10:56

we're close to four thousand hours

10:58

that's incredible congratulations

11:00

on that

11:01

yeah i'm pretty determined and you know i i

11:04

don't know if you know this but me but i have seven kids

11:06

on top of that so

11:07

wow now we did not know that

11:10

now i'm super nervous

11:12

the

11:12

maya might one of my kids is just

11:15

turned fifteen and so she knows she's not

11:17

going to get away with anything as she told her friends

11:19

with my mom's a p i

11:21

i heard that

11:23

amazing out as want to revisit the law enforcement

11:26

our topic real quick what advice

11:28

would you have for others who are in a position

11:30

that similar to yours when they're

11:33

looking at a case that's gone cold and

11:35

they want to work with law enforcement school we find

11:37

that comes up often where they just have

11:39

a i guess i'll the wrong

11:42

approach there too enthusiastic it comes

11:44

across as being a bit too

11:46

aggressive what it what advice would

11:48

you have if any for people who are in that position

11:51

that's why people ask me that question ally

11:53

and i really feel like the key to that is

11:56

coming and with no assumptions

11:58

you know asked to me

11:59

the currently detective

12:02

you know file your s always and see what

12:04

happens there you know a lot of times they're going

12:06

to say know sometimes they don't it depends on

12:08

the state in the department and

12:11

, it a try to build that relationship

12:13

but time at it from the perspective that

12:16

either you just want to help you know maybe site

12:18

some other examples if scene where citizens

12:20

have gotten involved and been able to bring

12:23

some you know exposure to the case

12:26

i always tell people never tell law

12:28

enforcement you're going to help them solve the case

12:30

right you don't want to put

12:32

them in a position where they sell that

12:34

your come in and know and everything and then i suggest

12:37

that people and try to get

12:39

to know the retired detective

12:41

is that

12:43

the case it a and they're out

12:45

there and you can still contact them because

12:47

that's where a treasure of information is going

12:49

to be and that's really gonna help

12:51

you learn more about the case it's gonna build

12:53

some credibility as you are

12:56

able to present information that you know

12:58

valuable back to maybe the currently

13:00

detective that might be pretty green on the case

13:03

and i could give you good example that you

13:05

know what the current detective analysis case

13:08

was in preschool and she went missing oh

13:10

wow yeah so there's a lot of

13:12

value that this

13:13

add to the case when somebody else

13:15

can come in and kind of bridge that gap so

13:18

stis a real unassuming in

13:20

a genuine mode is what i was

13:22

what i suggested people

13:23

very cool well good

13:25

work on all that and

13:29

your investigation into

13:31

melissa wit murder

13:34

lead you to write a book then

13:36

you'd help a little bit about that decision

13:38

can it because it's covert i have

13:40

blamed it on covered that you know i'm i'm home

13:42

for almost two years in

13:45

i'm not getting as much as i want to hear

13:47

things have delayed in our

13:49

documentary process and i just they

13:52

didn't kill stagnant melissa's case anymore

13:54

and so i wrote up the first three

13:56

chapters and put and outline

13:58

together and pitched it's

13:59

the publishers it was really just like that

14:02

and i had some

14:05

the i had a couple publishers so me know that had

14:07

you know there are three you know express

14:09

some real interest and then it's is really went from there

14:12

but it really came from that desire that

14:15

desire had to not be stacked

14:17

stagnant her case anymore we really

14:19

needed to kind of kick it up you

14:21

know another not because you know where knock at we

14:23

were knocking on twenty seven years at that

14:25

point

14:26

and the publisher is

14:28

a genius book publishing

14:30

genius they're very small small

14:33

and mighty and erm

14:35

they specialize in true crime

14:37

yeah very cool a package did

14:39

are they the ones that i do like the other the

14:41

packaging the cover art and everything

14:43

so yes he took my

14:45

vision and they created

14:47

the cover art and i just really

14:49

feel like it packs a punch and it tells the story

14:52

in and of itself and so

14:54

i was i was really proud of that i

14:56

just think they did a fantastic

14:58

yeah they they really did that style

15:00

really stands out in

15:02

how the lot about the story and

15:04

it's simple to

15:05

i wanted people to be a little bit

15:07

and be the taken aback by the

15:09

cover and so far that

15:12

works and i you know the more

15:14

people that can pick up the book because

15:16

they be the cover captures their attentions

15:19

the better because we want them to learn about melissa

15:21

that's really okay so tell

15:23

us about her case

15:25

so melissa i'm

15:27

nineteen years old in

15:29

december nineteen eighty four see

15:32

gets off work com

15:34

in a season at from her mom change his clothes

15:37

goes to the bowling alley where her mom

15:39

is bowling on a league and

15:42

never makes it inside and

15:45

i'm initially nobody really

15:47

knew what to think melissa's mom does didn't

15:49

see her at the bowling alley that night and

15:52

just assume that she decided not to com

15:54

and so she goes home in

15:56

awaits the night away either melissa

15:59

doesn't come home the next day

16:01

is really when law enforcement got involved and

16:03

it took a couple a days for the major crimes unit

16:06

to get involved because initially he melissa

16:08

was nineteen it's not illegal to

16:10

go missing and , appear that

16:12

he had a crime and been permitted that

16:15

when the law enforcement agency got involved

16:17

they found her car almost immediately they

16:19

found signs of a struggle some blood pools

16:22

and that's when the search really began and

16:24

unfortunately that search went on for six weeks

16:26

until they recover her body an

16:28

hour away and as aren't national

16:30

worst how did they locate

16:32

her body

16:33

that is one of the biggest mysteries

16:35

around this case a

16:37

couple a days before melissa's

16:39

body was recovered law enforcement

16:41

received a call one evening and was

16:43

left on an answer machine in the major crimes

16:45

unit it was a grandma anna what

16:47

they proceeded be perceived to be a young

16:50

boy probably her grandson and

16:52

she's urging him to tell law enforcement

16:54

what i found you know at what he found

16:57

and he says now and they disconnect the call

16:59

and in two days later the franklin county

17:01

sheriff's department gets a phone call that

17:03

see trappers that we're going

17:06

through that area of the ozark national forests

17:08

had stumbled upon initially what they

17:10

thought was a mannequin lying in the woods

17:13

and it turned out to be the body of young white

17:15

female

17:17

everybody in a rest is to the scene

17:19

and and fort smith is call because they believe

17:22

you know that they've got their girl there they believe

17:24

that it was melissa in it turns out through dental records

17:26

that it was you know

17:28

that parts you know a mystery because

17:31

that's an hour friend abduction sites

17:34

the know the trappers had been by their the day before

17:37

in her body wasn't there

17:39

in a the ago by that morning and it's

17:41

there and through the investigation

17:43

they were able to determine that

17:46

prior to where they found

17:48

melissa her body had been hidden behind

17:50

a tombstone like rock about

17:53

fifteen feet away from where her body initially

17:56

you know with a

17:56

they ended up find enter it so that

17:58

that's just been really

17:59

very strange part of the case so

18:02

you saying that

18:04

melissa body was about

18:07

fifteen feet away from where the trappers

18:09

found it for months

18:12

before it was i guess assumed

18:14

that someone moved it the day before

18:16

the trappers found it moved to fifteen feet

18:19

yeah it's , strange

18:21

day whoever killed her

18:23

had initially had her body behind

18:26

iraq and some

18:29

waves and some other things over her body

18:31

and then whoever moved

18:33

her body they either stumbled upon

18:35

it's and moved it which would be gruesome

18:38

to she'd been out there for six weeks or

18:40

it was the killer that return to the crime scene

18:42

and lives or body it it could go either way

18:45

that a know where did where does not share

18:47

and so it it a they would have and

18:50

it is to be black had have grabbed

18:52

her by the ankles and just moved her

18:54

that fifteen feet and it's

18:57

mind boggling that happens but we've

18:59

not ever been able to determine who made

19:01

that phone call to the major crimes

19:04

unit it's possible those people are who

19:06

stumbled

19:06

on her body

19:07

how far away was her body found from where she

19:09

was abducted at the bowling alley

19:11

it's just almost sixty miles

19:13

that's i'm regular highway or

19:15

is that sort of back roads in rural

19:18

type interstates there

19:20

we have been to routes that

19:22

you could take to get

19:24

the where they found her body one would

19:26

have been major highway and then there

19:28

was some back roads that you could have taken

19:30

as well we're not really sure which

19:33

one from the killer chose but

19:35

it sets a long ways away and if

19:37

he hitter in the head first at the bowling alley

19:39

with you know that there was some blunt force trauma

19:42

it was not fatal that was determined

19:44

by the autopsy we believe she was unconscious

19:46

or an entire car rides those are

19:48

the forest and what was

19:50

the weather like this was december first

19:52

what's the weather like there it was

19:55

really cold in december now on

19:57

that particular day it had been warmer

20:00

in december

20:02

then typical but then it goes

20:04

right into arkansas weather's crazy

20:06

it can be warm one day and it's gonna be called the next

20:09

and so there were several weeks as she

20:11

was missing that we had freezing temperatures

20:13

we had a lotta rain on the day that she was found

20:16

is sorted out beautiful and and it ended up being

20:18

distrustful rainstorm the freezing

20:20

cold weather so that

20:23

does a lot to a body this are and susan

20:25

you know in the elements for

20:26

the great

20:28

there any i witness sightings in the park

20:30

lot the there were two witnesses

20:32

it's almost hard to call them witnesses

20:34

because they really

20:36

didn't see enough to be able to help

20:38

with anything truly but an eleven year

20:40

old boy had exited the

20:42

bowling alley to i'm retriever

20:44

schoolbook from car

20:47

he heard a woman screaming help me and

20:50

but he couldn't see anything else that assumed

20:52

that that was melissa and then

20:54

another witness i'm to

20:56

left the bowling alley walk

20:58

to her tracks she couldn't see over the

21:01

cars little bitty sort girl

21:03

did not see ever the cars and she could hear

21:05

what she believed to believed an altercation and

21:07

that's believes have been at the same

21:10

time frame that melissa was being abducted but

21:12

that's it that's it a very dark parking lots

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22:45

i apologize if i've missed this detail

22:47

amongst the other details that you've given of so

22:49

far but i was curious

22:51

if there was any indication

22:54

that her body was brought some morales between

22:56

the bowling alley and where it was found

22:58

or is the line of thinking

23:01

that she was abducted and

23:04

and killed and dumped immediately

23:07

either way we can't say for sure

23:09

that he didn't make any stops between the bowling

23:11

alley and those aren't national forest

23:13

but what we do know is that the

23:16

, report shows us

23:18

that she'd most likely been out

23:20

there from day one and what little food

23:22

was found in her stomach was what she had had

23:24

for lunch that they they could determine in a they

23:26

believed it was the chicken from six like so

23:29

it's really unlikely that anything else happened

23:32

soil and leaves and other things

23:34

that were found far down into

23:36

her airway because she was strangled facedown

23:39

those were native to the ozark national forest

23:42

so she was either strangled at that location

23:44

or very close to the location

23:46

and then we believe that

23:49

she was dumped at that particular place

23:51

because and i've been there many

23:53

times it is like a tombstone

23:56

this rock that she was bide his so

23:58

we think that that meant something to her killed and

24:01

some sort of sick twisted meeting but

24:03

yeah i think it happen pretty quick and fortunately

24:06

i think there was a sexual assault between their

24:08

she was found completely nude

24:10

that confirmed that there is a sexual assault

24:12

unfortunately i'm

24:15

it is not confirmed she had been out the elements

24:17

for so long and you

24:20

know the odd thing about

24:22

her body is that the upper half was really

24:24

decomposed and the lower half was it

24:26

it was because her body was almost folded

24:28

in half behind that rock and so there

24:31

was some small animal of activity nothing

24:33

large but there is just not enough to determine

24:35

if i had happened to her

24:36

he said her body was almost folded in half

24:39

are you the would the way a body would naturally

24:41

fold like would bend over

24:42

yeah very in that's the way they can

24:44

a texture and behind the wrong

24:47

how big was the rockies it is like a tombstone

24:49

but was a bigger than a tombstone

24:51

well i mean it's an oversized rock

24:53

so yeah i guess in all fairness i'd have to say yes

24:55

it's a it's a fairly good size rock

24:58

and the way the the terrain

25:00

is there behind the rocket sort

25:02

of drops down a little bit and

25:05

doesn't , how familiar are from with arkansas

25:07

but no darkness before us it's just it's

25:10

crazy it's got inclines and you

25:12

know valleys and know valleys as and so

25:15

that drop down enough that he works he

25:17

wouldn't he be able to tell a tucker in there

25:19

like and inside up

25:20

rocket and you said that it was your believe

25:23

that may be this particular location

25:25

had some meaning for

25:27

the perpetrator is this also the belief

25:29

of law enforcement

25:30

it is they've always believed that

25:33

i'm the most likely scenario

25:35

was it was the man that was

25:37

local to the area or someone that had frequent

25:40

frequented the ozark national forests to hunt

25:42

fish to hike any

25:45

you know being is that area that particular

25:48

place you know i would be a natural resting

25:50

place you know you used to potentially

25:53

set up like a deer chance there there's

25:55

a lotta different things that that that

25:57

have been to somebody and

25:59

it's pretty eerie being out there

26:02

honestly yeah it's also a bit more about that

26:04

is there i'm either hiking

26:06

trails right there is there a lot of foot traffic

26:08

in that vicinity

26:09

right their immediate vicinity know

26:12

this is offer the logging road i'm

26:14

it is it's pretty remote location

26:17

and it's is just that way

26:19

off the main road you had have

26:21

known where you were going to get there

26:23

especially under the cover of night to

26:25

be able to get their do what they did

26:27

and to get back out it wasn't just some

26:29

random serial killer this

26:32

this was somebody that knew what he was doing and

26:34

so you know it's know it's

26:36

it's it's a lonely area and

26:38

i'm the master been pretty frightening for her

26:41

yeah

26:43

how was her body as

26:45

a jane doe connected to

26:47

her missing persons case

26:49

at how did that connection get me

26:51

they were able to identify her

26:53

through dental records pretty quickly

26:56

the i think that by the next morning

26:58

that the assumption was of course on

27:00

a founder that it was melissa there wasn't anybody

27:03

else with that description missing

27:06

but , be sure obviously you know they they had to

27:08

check the dental records so in

27:10

and then it was just you know the had know the the family

27:13

and

27:14

thinking along the lines that this location

27:17

could be something or somewhere

27:20

that a hunter would know the

27:23

area license

27:25

that is needed to hunt in that

27:27

particular section of the national

27:30

forest

27:31

depending on what season that

27:33

is the ear of it's their season

27:35

turkey season whatever he you

27:37

have to have different kinds of licenses

27:39

and so those were checked and

27:42

rechecked i even went back and checked

27:44

it out digging back into this into see what

27:46

might be interesting so you know it's

27:49

know it's that some

27:52

you know it was somebody that was used

27:54

to hiking in the area as well or

27:57

you know college kids often would

27:59

go deep the alert national

28:01

forests back in the nineties you

28:03

know to drink or to smoke marijuana and

28:05

so that's that's that's possibility too

28:07

them were there any other attempted abductions

28:10

or any abductions

28:12

after the fact or around that time i know

28:14

you said that the the

28:16

assumption was that that was her because there

28:18

wasn't any other missing person

28:20

who was during matches that description at the

28:22

time but about after or in

28:24

like a at a larger i'm

28:27

radius

28:28

i'm super glad the ask me that question

28:30

because nobody ever does inside of get

28:32

to talk about that but

28:35

, a few weeks after melissa went missing

28:38

in van buren just the city over am

28:40

a man who was

28:42

man resident of ozark

28:45

tried to kidnap a girl from a parking

28:47

lot and inside the van

28:49

the rope and duct tape and

28:51

you know all the things to take a girl and

28:54

he was works out really really really closely

28:57

you know he ended up dying i think

28:59

just before i got involved in this case

29:01

and they even tried to talk to him on

29:03

his deathbed because he would fit the profile

29:06

so that did happen and it does haunt

29:08

me that that happens because we

29:10

don't have any real answers to him

29:12

and then the second thing that happens six

29:15

months after melissa

29:18

was recovered morgan

29:20

nick went missing from l mark and saw which

29:22

is just the town over she was a six year

29:24

old girl and as that you have been a not a in

29:26

our case made national headlines and so

29:29

you'd i know there was an effort an

29:31

effort to see if there was

29:34

a connection between the two cases but no connection

29:36

with ever made

29:37

then you had morgan was six years old

29:40

she was six yes

29:41

which he abducted for a parking lot or was there some

29:43

similarity in that

29:46

there were some similarity in

29:48

, that it was a parking lot she was

29:51

at a little league ballgame with her mom

29:53

and was dumping sand from her shoes

29:56

and business never seen again

29:59

but

30:00

you know what makes it unlikely

30:02

there just aren't that many predators

30:04

i mean it happens that are you know

30:07

i guess a crossover they would take any age

30:09

you know that crime of opportunity that it

30:11

does happen it's pretty rare and

30:14

he had f b i profile pretty

30:16

confident that morgan

30:19

was taken by a pedophile that most

30:21

likely assaulted her and and murder her immediately

30:24

he , mean the cases aren't connected as

30:26

think it's pretty unlikely i think we would know that

30:28

connection by now i would like

30:30

sibley

30:31

wed yeah i mean the the

30:33

way that melissa was abducted is so

30:35

unique i feel like from our

30:37

a parking lot in a public area

30:41

that seems like serve

30:43

a high risk maneuver for

30:46

maneuver abductor an abductor would be killer i'm

30:48

so yeah i guess some it

30:50

seems like a serial case i guess is is

30:53

kind of what i'm saying like that person

30:56

i would think would have try that again afterwards

30:58

having been successful arm

31:00

with melissa's case

31:03

then i agree with that in i i think that

31:05

in all likelihood

31:07

what happened is that the person that came

31:10

to the parking lot at night new melissa

31:13

they knew each other there was some sort of confrontation

31:15

maybe she it was a jilted lover maybe

31:18

she had spurned some advances and

31:20

i think an argument ensued because we do

31:22

know there was an argument i think that he

31:25

did not like cow feisty she was i

31:28

think out of frustration he hit her on the

31:30

head head wound is gonna bleed

31:33

maybe he had he had record maybe didn't

31:36

maybe the blood scared and dr

31:38

unconscious and he from the way to

31:40

blood trail was in the parking lot you

31:42

know the little dots the blood full the blood

31:45

we know that he drag her are carried

31:47

her the either put her in the backseat

31:49

of a car or in the back of a tracker

31:52

a bronco any drive away with her and

31:54

i honestly think it was somebody that melissa

31:57

new on some level

31:57

what makes you think that

31:59

that because of the seven

32:02

years i've worked on this case i think there

32:04

are some pretty scary people that were

32:06

emulators life that she wasn't

32:08

aware of who they truly where they've

32:10

gone on to commit other crimes obviously

32:13

not

32:14

that's like yes but there have been people on her life

32:16

that were you know gone know gone be

32:18

abusive to women and downright dangerous

32:20

stocking than the parking lot you

32:23

know some pretty scary things i just think

32:25

base on that argument that they had

32:27

that night it was with somebody she

32:29

was familiar with you know the witness said i told

32:31

you the little sort girl who couldn't hear

32:34

i'm he couldn't see but can hear the

32:36

argument she likened it to

32:39

maybe to maybe breaking up or

32:41

just a familiar

32:43

there is a familiar and s there and

32:45

i believe that was melissa and

32:48

melissa believe that

32:50

whoever approached her that night didn't like

32:52

what she had to say which was probably know

32:55

yeah and

32:56

i'm curious what her social

32:59

circle was like

33:00

you know him as a , of people ask

33:02

me that see the melissa melissa did not have

33:05

any enemies she was friends with everybody

33:07

she was real active in our church should

33:10

been a cheerleader she was pretty

33:12

popular girl that all

33:14

of her friends and the people that she grew up

33:16

where we're from all sorts of socio

33:18

economic levels there was not

33:21

anybody that melissa would not be friend and

33:23

so he the that

33:25

that has made it hard

33:27

when you have to go in and look through

33:29

some of these people that she was associated with

33:31

the she was so naive she had no idea

33:34

about some of the people that she was connected

33:36

to appear there were some friends that she had that

33:38

were into drugs and

33:41

and some doing some things that she was an issue

33:43

but it was just

33:44

the i say that to just

33:46

express that melissa was a friend to

33:48

absolutely everybody

33:50

and what about her family situation

33:52

she lived with her mom and

33:55

her mom should always lived with just

33:57

her mom marianne was single and

33:59

they were exceptionally close to her

34:01

dad

34:03

lived in a neighboring state of oklahoma

34:06

and i'm here they they

34:08

had a relationship and she had

34:10

some older half siblings

34:12

from that relationship but

34:15

for the most part it was just melissa and her mom

34:17

the know any significant others or

34:19

or boyfriends that i in

34:21

melissa's life at the time

34:23

you know i know you don't know what a flight to be an eighteen

34:26

year old girl but i do and i'm

34:28

you know the premise crushing

34:30

on a lot of people you know everybody was

34:32

cute and nothing real serious

34:35

she had some relationships and some break ups

34:37

and she wrote about that extensively in her diary

34:39

and so obviously that diaries pretty

34:41

key to this case as well

34:44

that know there was nothing real

34:46

serious and her life she was you

34:48

know martha was pretty

34:50

naive and the best way to

34:52

explain that is just you know an example

34:55

from her diary the most seat ever really

34:57

done as maybe kiss just a boy gently

34:59

on the lips and may be held his hand them a lot

35:01

of innocence there so

35:04

i'm you know you think about that kind

35:06

of innocence being confronted in a dark

35:08

parking lot that night

35:11

and you know someone

35:13

being aggressive that be that be hard for

35:15

her to fight

35:17

and you did mention that maybe the person

35:19

didn't like how i i think you said

35:22

i see or fiery or or just

35:24

basically didn't like her attitude at the time

35:26

yeah melissa would have been afraid to

35:28

tell anybody what she thought in you

35:31

could see that in her diary

35:33

yeah

35:34

the fit it in a nice way but she was also

35:36

very strong willed my best guess

35:38

is that she had had told a potential

35:41

suitor that she was not interested

35:43

that are you also mentioned that he was active

35:45

in her church

35:46

he was a she and her mom where

35:48

it hurts every wednesday and sunday

35:51

and in a wednesday nights sunday morning and sunday

35:53

night and so see

35:56

you know had

35:57

the outlook on life that was different

35:59

than the people at that time as she wasn't

36:02

you know she wasn't going out and partying and

36:05

having saxons and smoking and doing

36:07

all the things and so you know

36:10

i don't want to make a sound like she was pollyanna

36:13

because nobody is right but she

36:15

did have a level you

36:18

know rose colored glasses that

36:20

she just didn't really understand yet how the world

36:22

works

36:23

have you looked into anybody

36:25

who might have attended those church

36:28

would he call him church sessions

36:32

oh yeah extensively yeah i

36:34

guess i've done a lot of stuff

36:36

was actually i'm glad that you said that say because

36:38

that was one of the first things i thought about because so

36:40

many predators hide the

36:42

you know i'm behind

36:44

the the cloak of religion

36:47

and that was very inter

36:49

the to me and i were you able to develop

36:51

some are persons of interest or or

36:53

suspects from that list

36:55

there's a couple people so we're

36:57

interesting didn't really take us anywhere

37:00

lucy really really interesting people one

37:02

has not been named and it it is somebody

37:04

that she now i can't really

37:06

say a whole lot about that the other person

37:09

that is the top suspects in this case

37:11

is larry swearengen pick

37:14

that he was executed in texas

37:17

and ninety ninety he kidnapped

37:20

nineteen year old melissa trotter from

37:22

her community college and

37:25

in december almost four years

37:27

to the day when melissa wet

37:29

was kidnapped and he

37:31

drove her sixty miles away to

37:33

the sam houston national forest where forest where

37:36

her at leicester dead body turns

37:40

out that swearing in was real familiar

37:42

with us aren't national forest his grandparents

37:44

lived about two hours away from fort smith and

37:47

we know that he was in arkansas

37:49

within days just days before

37:51

melissa

37:52

melissa was murdered wow okay so

37:54

this some similarities there in

37:57

the way swear in june

37:59

murdered

37:59

different victim

38:01

the enough so that it warranted

38:04

police sake a really deep dive

38:06

into that you get to nineteen year old girls

38:08

they look eerily alike

38:11

they're both named melissa both

38:13

active in their churches boasts

38:15

at a community college in in their bodies or fail

38:17

in other both kidnapped in december their bodies

38:19

found in a national forest in

38:22

, a lot there and i spent years

38:24

before swayze and was executed doing

38:27

everything doing could to find out

38:30

you know if there was a connection and he was

38:32

he ended up being executed in august

38:34

of two thousand and nineteen for the trotter murder

38:37

the new raid melissa trotter

38:39

does bear

38:40

that have a resemblance to

38:43

melissa with

38:45

it's it's uncanny as

38:47

before you know

38:49

if swearing to than swearing had than hate hate relationship

38:52

we really did i would write to him he

38:54

would sometimes right me back he

38:56

would be an issue me back cease and desist and

38:58

this went on for years desist mean years would i

39:01

just wanted him to tell the truth give us an alibi

39:03

of where you are you know something and he

39:05

wasn't gonna do it but prior

39:09

about four months prior to his execution

39:11

i spit every week calling

39:14

emailing faxing sending

39:16

letters doing everything doing could to get mchenry

39:19

county texas to schedule an interview

39:21

with swearing and swearing and enforcement

39:23

for smith

39:24

the

39:25

the night let it go and finally

39:27

they did they called the portsmouth td they're basically

39:30

said please call her off please

39:32

make her stop and will grant the

39:34

interview so they did investigators

39:37

go to talk to him you know everybody

39:40

said oh he won't be able to be quiet

39:42

he's gonna talk your ear off they get

39:44

him in this room and he says okay fellows what

39:46

are you here for and kris

39:49

boyd says long kris boyd i'm from portsmouth

39:51

arkansas and he said nope not

39:53

talking here let me out here and here wouldn't

39:55

say wouldn't say and and then

39:57

he was executed

39:59

though

40:00

devastating for the case it's

40:02

really even harder

40:03

talk about wow and he clean

40:05

and innocence in in numb the

40:07

other case

40:08

there there was in his a

40:10

master manipulator a

40:12

know there was some question

40:15

about some evidence i

40:17

can tell you that i've read the entire case

40:19

file for him for the fo i ate

40:21

everything ate everything have spent time in texas

40:24

i did everything i could and i firmly

40:26

believe that he killed more

40:28

the trotter

40:29

i do did , have

40:31

anything to do with melissa where i mean we just

40:34

we can't prove it you know we've never been able to

40:36

play swearing and in fort smith

40:38

which makes it difficult you know i

40:40

would add this that

40:42

you know about three years into this investigation

40:45

i had a secret inform it comes to me from

40:47

emory county

40:49

they said that when swayze

40:51

and was arrested they had found a receipt

40:54

for gas in fort smith arkansas

40:56

and december ninety four

40:57

i was pretty naive and believed it

41:00

and did everything i could to try

41:02

to get my hands on that receive the likelihood

41:04

that he had a four year old receipt and his stolen

41:07

truck in other he just stole and

41:09

it probably unlikely but

41:12

it i tell you that story just to kind of give

41:14

you the idea of the links that at least

41:16

i know i went

41:17

the try to prove them as a connection

41:21

it seems like he could have ah

41:24

if he had information and

41:26

melissa with murder

41:29

, he could have leverage that against

41:31

his death sentence

41:33

in melissa trotters case i'm

41:35

in

41:36

yeah he could have gotten a stay another say

41:38

or you know i just

41:40

i can't explain why he did what he did

41:42

you know i've

41:43

i worry is because it was you

41:45

know he had such a volatile relationship with

41:47

me and i had pushed so hard to get

41:50

answers the he just didn't want us hard

41:52

i mean i'll never know for

41:54

sir unless we can prove that he

41:56

was in fort smith it's always gonna be

41:58

gonna question mark next to him

41:59

the

42:00

and how bout melissa's family what's their

42:02

thoughts on either him or

42:04

any other suspects and while

42:07

i'm asking this question i guess i should back it up

42:09

a little bit and say

42:11

what's your relationship with melissa's

42:13

family

42:13

her parents are deceased

42:15

and she , have some

42:18

cousins that have been in touch with me they

42:20

actually came to an event that i spoke out

42:22

and i'm in a thanked me for

42:24

my work on the case her

42:26

, or half siblings or

42:29

they're much older they're in their seventies i

42:31

don't really have a lot of contact with them

42:34

i think me being this

42:37

vocal about the case has been

42:39

difficult for some of her older family members

42:42

because they believe that

42:45

there really isn't gonna be just as because

42:48

she's dead and you can ever undo that

42:50

them in some they told me that and

42:52

i understand that they also are very very

42:54

religious and believe that melissa is

42:57

yeah her solo that have it in it and it

42:59

and she's fine and are going to see her again and all those

43:02

things and that's what gets some through the day and

43:04

i respect that and so

43:06

i continue to do this work

43:09

and try to be very respectful of the parameters

43:11

in which they've said

43:12

and you are obviously don't

43:14

have any insight on who

43:17

the parents ever who like who are mom

43:19

ever thought might have been responsible for their

43:21

sawyer or any cousins or anything

43:23

melissa small marianne was

43:25

very very close to the original lead detective

43:27

on the case jc rider him i haven't

43:30

been a we talk every single day and have for years

43:32

and so i have that insights

43:35

from him about marianne and really

43:37

she'd just leaned on

43:40

him and law enforcement i don't really

43:42

think she had anybody in mind you

43:44

know she didn't want to believe that this it happened to her only

43:47

child as it was she did

43:49

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now it says here in

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in one of the i'm i guess summaries of

44:43

the book that you've gained

44:45

some of the attention of them

44:47

dangerous people can you are tell for

44:50

about that

44:51

karen there

44:53

are several people that i've communicated

44:55

with and prison and prison

44:57

who were suspect similar case

45:01

you know child or a bind see with the sylar serial

45:03

killer from for it's mass he

45:05

was internet for failure really

45:07

not a good person he's deceased there's

45:10

travis krauts he's a serial

45:12

rapists i'm very dangerous

45:14

man that the colorado but

45:16

in addition to that at at

45:19

it came in last year in

45:22

the last two my documentary team about

45:24

the with case and it

45:27

, i'm a woman that came forward he said that

45:29

she starred in a desk fetish progress

45:32

he film film

45:34

she had been strangled and she was asked

45:36

where a mickey mouse watch like melissa had

45:38

been wearing and so obviously

45:40

we we needed to know

45:42

everything we could about that and

45:44

i have spent the past year

45:47

working undercover along

45:49

with law enforcement in the deathbed as

45:51

community together all together information that

45:53

we can about

45:56

the movies that were made that

45:58

seems to be made after

46:00

the with aware

46:02

no murder and

46:05

that's , created a

46:07

pretty scary situation for me

46:10

me a screen man that goes a screen

46:12

name that goes by poor man poor

46:15

despite all my efforts to protect by true

46:18

identity online in a vpn

46:21

all those things he found me the real

46:23

me instantly flowers to my home and

46:26

he's emailed me it's

46:29

if i found a little nervous talking about it it's

46:31

because it's pretty scary to

46:33

think that i that's happened and

46:35

then the dogs to me

46:37

in the community and gave up my real information

46:41

and that's , continuing battle

46:44

but i decided the best

46:46

way to combat that was to write a book about it

46:48

and so that's coming out

46:50

in october

46:51

that is rese

46:54

yeah yeah absolutely i'm

46:57

not trying to make light of this i'm actually curious

46:59

with i think it provides a little bit of insight out

47:01

what kind of flowers did he send

47:03

i didn't have very good taste in

47:05

others really ugly like spray

47:07

painted multicoloured flowers

47:10

that you can get that are like they like they

47:12

with the tulips and oh it's and and the carnations

47:15

and it it it seems sooner

47:17

only

47:18

it was

47:20

it was pretty upsetting i'm and

47:23

then i've started receiving emails after that

47:25

from people like the vermillion strangler

47:28

on niekro girl x

47:30

you know that are very

47:33

they're in a threatening to burn my house down

47:35

it it it's really not been

47:37

a good experience i've

47:40

learned the lot about that kind of

47:42

community and

47:44

that i'm pretty confident that there are real killers

47:46

that rome among of communities

47:49

you mean is online communities

47:51

yes the online communities oh definitely

47:53

i mean do these are people who fantasize

47:56

about murdering women's

47:58

they they write stories strangling

48:00

them shooting them hanging them and

48:03

they film videos they

48:06

you know make art work you know there's

48:08

a fine line between fantasy and reality

48:10

and some this is not

48:12

a group of stable people in this community

48:15

at all and at any given time in the

48:17

whole world there's about a hundred thousand people

48:20

that are into

48:22

you know

48:23

consider to be niekro porn and

48:26

it's it's extremely frightening

48:28

and they've set me lots

48:30

of information you know have alluding

48:32

to the fact that they might know something about

48:34

melissa's murder and it's and it's been something

48:36

that we had to look out but it's it's been

48:40

it's been a journey

48:42

have you alerted law enforcement to

48:44

this for a man or any of the other

48:46

individuals that have expressed

48:49

or stated or shown

48:51

interest in melissa's murder

48:53

i have so i'm fort smith police

48:55

department as where am i filed

48:58

some reports with the f b i and

49:01

l a massive what they're doing on mine is illegal

49:03

the depends on the in your city state or

49:05

your country and so we've gathered that

49:08

type of information best ortiz are aware

49:11

for man in particular wrote a story

49:14

it was so

49:16

similar to what happens i'm melissa he

49:19

talked about starting a girl and a bowling alley parking

49:21

lot

49:23

and i turned

49:25

out of russia authorities and authorities think it's important

49:28

to mention that once they realized that realized would

49:30

i'd gone under cover with the screen names

49:32

and i was pretending to be one of them rights

49:35

when they figured out who i was

49:38

three of online community shut down they took

49:40

the website sound

49:43

and so they're hiding something

49:45

what that is that is know is it is

49:48

it and i don't wanna say is it just the

49:50

niekro foreign because that's horrible in and of

49:52

itself is it human trafficking

49:54

is it murder i'd i'd i don't know

49:57

right i mean is it is if one of those

49:59

are all of the

49:59

than and add enough a few others

50:02

i think the reality is that

50:05

you know additives hundred thousand people i

50:07

mean the didn't hear what can i

50:10

five ten fifteen to be really

50:13

into something that's much worse than

50:15

just fantasy and i'm

50:18

a , it's it's something that that

50:22

to be talked about and about

50:24

, that's what i'm starting

50:26

to do because it was a part of the went investigation

50:29

what did a police that ,

50:31

been working with say about that

50:33

hey

50:34

they told the information on that have

50:36

they actually been able to identify that the

50:38

horror man

50:39

we have been able to track for

50:41

a man down so that's been a good thing and

50:44

so the authorities in his community will

50:46

be dealing with some a thing that happened

50:49

and that that's and good thing

50:51

as far as being able to tie this community

50:54

to the which case

50:55

you know

50:56

i wish we i could say that we did that

50:59

we have not been able to you

51:01

know make make that connection

51:04

but connection think it's important that people

51:06

know about it because

51:09

i think that there's many things that can be

51:11

found in that community and there's lots of movies

51:13

about of about girls that have been murdered

51:15

that you know we we think are after

51:18

they're they're making these movies after real

51:20

crimes

51:21

you could argue well it's just a movie

51:24

we're in this is not normal stuff

51:26

this this pretty frightening

51:28

yeah

51:29

and dad tell us about about your book

51:31

you mention that as you're reading

51:33

another book

51:34

i then there's

51:36

, that the girl i never knew is the first

51:38

in the series of who killed melissa wet

51:40

and so the second book comes out october

51:43

twenty eight eight called strangled

51:46

i can the road it with elisa

51:48

lockhart she is

51:51

who came forward with

51:53

the tip and i've worked with her for

51:55

the past year i'm really

51:57

looking at taking a closer look into the desert

51:59

it a and in the third there's a third

52:02

book coming and it'll come out and twenty twenty three

52:04

wow so the second book is more

52:06

of in deep dive into that death

52:08

fetish community

52:10

it is it's all about the

52:12

death at a community what we uncovered what

52:14

we experienced i'm you

52:17

, we want the we want the readers to decide

52:19

for themselves what they thanks and and

52:21

then i do talk about

52:24

and strangled you know i start

52:26

leading up to the third

52:28

book which is called hypnotized which is gonna

52:30

go into the unnamed suspect in the with

52:32

case it so my

52:35

hope is that the series will launch

52:37

it'll be out there it'll be as well received

52:39

as the girl i never knew has been and

52:42

that more information would keep coming and

52:44

about melissa's case

52:45

that's great

52:47

yeah fantastic work with that i love

52:49

the long term plan

52:50

yeah i love the add the trilogy of books

52:54

the

52:56

enables anybody who is interested

52:58

not only in melissa's

53:01

unsolved murder but how to go

53:03

about what you did and

53:05

that where that leads you and then how to deal with

53:07

that as well i think it's almost

53:10

like this true to life

53:12

instructional manual

53:14

well i you know what i wanted it to be is

53:16

really kind of all the things that you're saying

53:18

i wanted people to understand

53:21

just how dedicated

53:23

we've been through the web case i'm

53:26

just how much we want to see justice

53:28

but i also want people to realize that

53:30

behind every cold case or the

53:32

kind of things that you're going to read about you're gonna

53:34

have the red herrings you're going to have the

53:37

the horrible horrible suspects the come

53:39

up and it's none of them are going to be the ones that

53:41

committed the crime and so i want

53:43

people to do that deep dive to understand

53:45

it's not as easy as it you

53:47

think it is by watching it

53:49

there's and so is there anything else

53:51

that you like to mention about our

53:53

melissa's case

53:55

i think i'm the most important thing that always

53:58

want to mention is that there's no peace the information

54:00

that is too small

54:02

we have people that are reading the book that

54:04

are all over the world

54:05

and you know people

54:07

move every day they've moved out of arkansas

54:10

and if you've got some information

54:12

even if you don't think it's important we really want

54:14

people to come forward they can either

54:16

call either police department in fort smith

54:19

where they can get a hold of our team who

54:21

killed missy with dot com were really

54:23

easy to find and get the information

54:25

and we will turn it into law enforcement and

54:28

that's the most important thing that i could say

54:31

i'm in this case and

54:33

you know

54:34

that's one of the things that i wanted to have happened

54:36

with the book and that has happened

54:39

in our our phone lines of just blown

54:41

up and word is grateful

54:43

for every call it may not lead to

54:45

justice in the case but

54:48

we want people to have the courage to come forward

54:51

in in your investigation this is my last question

54:54

in your investigation did

54:56

you get any indication that

54:59

this person might have hold

55:03

somebody about this that this there

55:06

might be more people out there that know about this

55:08

or did you get the impression

55:11

that

55:12

it was done it and this person

55:14

hasn't spoken word

55:16

i don't think i've spoken a word i don't think

55:18

they have an confess that anyone

55:21

but i believe and soda

55:23

law enforcement that i've been in contact

55:25

with the killer on

55:27

multiple occasions with we firmly

55:29

believe that status at

55:31

this point in time i am only

55:34

live in person who's been able to communicate with

55:36

every suspect i've even the ones that

55:38

are in prison i've hunted down of hundred one down

55:40

in nebraska talk to him and

55:43

and as a unique position to be and

55:45

and i have a responsibility to try to record

55:47

all that information one place and that's really

55:49

another motivation for the books but i

55:52

believe that believe talked to the killer

55:54

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56:28

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56:30

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