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Welcome back to Missing. I am Tim here today

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with Lance. Lance, how are you today? I'm

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doing fantastic today. Thanks so much

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for asking. I hope everybody out

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there is enjoying the very first day of 2024. Tim, how

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are you doing? I'm

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doing great. Thanks a lot for asking.

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Yes, happy to turn that page and

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be here in 2024. Lance,

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this episode is part

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2 of our conversation with

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Dornette Mullings, whose twin brother,

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Calvin Berry, mysteriously went missing

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from his home on March

1:41

10, 2021. Unfortunately,

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his body was found a few days

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later behind his house in a canal.

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We want to let you know that this

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is part 2, so make sure to check

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out part 1. It aired the episode previous

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to this. phone

4:00

inside the bedroom and his keys are at

4:02

home and he

4:05

never came back. Of course,

4:07

when his body was found, because for

4:10

the three days that we're searching, everybody's

4:12

searching, all the searchers are searching for

4:14

this mentally deranged, beer-footed

4:16

person. When he was found,

4:18

he had shoes on and not only did he

4:21

have shoes on, he had shoes, it's a, um,

4:24

skechers that had

4:26

laced and the laced was

4:28

not tied. They were untied

4:30

and they were both still

4:32

on his feet. If

4:34

you drown going into the canal, first

4:36

of all, the canal is there, it's, it's, it's

4:38

mud. Your shoe, your

4:40

shoes would get stuck in the

4:42

mud and it would come off

4:44

your feet. It

4:47

was, the boat shoe was still on his feet.

4:50

How big is, was the canal? I

4:53

have a survey of the canal and I

4:55

want to say it is about 30 feet,

4:58

not maybe 40 feet across

5:00

wide. It's a very long canal,

5:02

but it was about 40 feet wide and

5:05

it's, it's only four and a half feet deep

5:07

at the deepest point in the middle, four and

5:09

a half feet deep. So he literally could walk

5:12

through the canal on the other side. Now,

5:15

if you slip and fall

5:17

at the banks of the canal, you could literally

5:21

sleep there and the next morning just get

5:23

up and walk out because it's

5:25

not deep. Gradually, don't do four and a

5:27

half feet in the middle. The

5:30

canal is running north

5:32

to south, the current is running north

5:34

to south. How does your body

5:36

slip and fall in the canal and

5:38

on the, um, going

5:40

west to east when the current is

5:42

going north to south? The science

5:45

does not work

5:47

that way. Was it

5:50

a particularly strong current? It was not.

5:52

It was not very strong. At

5:55

least at the time when I got the survey

5:57

done, which would have been... Maybe

6:01

six months later, it was

6:04

not a strong current. It's

6:06

low. It seems

6:09

likely that whomever

6:11

put his body there, this is

6:13

deliberate and someone put his

6:16

body there. Whomever put his body there,

6:18

there's a bridge a little north of

6:25

where his body was found. And it seemed

6:27

like someone literally went and just put his

6:29

body over the bridge on

6:32

his back in the canal. And he

6:34

just drifted down until the searchers

6:37

saw his body because they're

6:39

right at his house and they saw

6:41

his body because other neighbors said they

6:43

saw the image on the water

6:48

and they just thought it was a piece of log drifting

6:51

downstream. That was information from other

6:53

searchers? That was from

6:56

the neighbor, from a neighbor. Okay,

6:58

can you take us through what they did

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for the search and how his

7:03

body was missed? Well, they

7:05

did bring out two K-9s and

7:09

the K-9 did not go

7:11

to the back of the house towards

7:14

the canal. And I don't

7:16

know if the K-9 did

7:18

anything in the front because I don't see

7:20

that in the police report but I have

7:22

heard from his wife that

7:25

the K-9 tract is sent in

7:27

the front of the house towards

7:31

the intersection. But

7:34

I have not seen that in the police report.

7:36

So I don't know how accurate that is. The

7:40

drone, they had two drone flights and

7:43

they said they terminated both because

7:45

of very light rain, but

7:48

they were, they

7:51

were, no,

7:54

nothing was found. And so

7:56

the detectives said the Reason

7:59

why she did. Not call

8:01

in a diver was because

8:03

she did not want to

8:05

risk a diverse lies. In

8:08

the can now because there was

8:10

no evidence that he was in

8:13

the in or near the canal.

8:15

So. With that she did not see,

8:17

She did our thing. She should bring in

8:20

a diver and that's why she didn't She

8:22

said she did not bring in a doesn't

8:24

care what what's the risk then if if

8:26

there's a professional diver and four four and

8:29

a half foot deep canal less exactly what

8:31

I would like to know that it makes

8:33

it. Makes. No sense I don't

8:35

understand. and this the Texas has

8:38

done. Really

8:40

very. Questionable things.

8:42

I am quite surprised.

8:45

I've never understood that.

8:47

Law. Enforcement. Would.

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Be so. Outrageous

8:53

in their bias

8:55

and. Doing their

8:58

job, Regardless, of

9:00

who it is. Whether it's a

9:02

high profile person or a little

9:04

joe on the street I cannot

9:07

understand. To this day I'm really

9:09

trying to understand the rationale. Behind.

9:12

What does detective has done? I

9:14

do not understand it. It.

9:17

Makes no sense and I will share.

9:19

With you some of the audio. What

9:21

does Detective. What's. Of the

9:23

it is just blows my mind. Was.

9:26

There ever a surge of his White

9:28

House in any immediate timeframe. Nothing in

9:31

the police report so that they did

9:33

a thorough search when they went to

9:35

the house. There's nothing in the report

9:37

so that me that that. They

9:41

took her words it to everything.

9:43

She said i don't understand it.

9:45

Honestly, I really don't and a couple

9:47

of the stories there were conflicting was

9:49

that she said she had. Woken.

9:52

Up. And. He. Wasn't

9:54

in bed and then he was in the

9:56

kitchen. Taking of the Medicis. Know

9:58

she said she saw. In

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their passwords. And she asked

10:02

him where he's going. I mean, he's in his house

10:05

or season the passage. Maybe maybe

10:07

because it's midnight on.

10:10

I don't know I'm in. his isn't even his

10:12

own house so she wants to be the passes.

10:15

I don't see what's what's the issue but she

10:17

said she asked him where you going and he

10:19

said he's going. She. Told

10:21

me he's going in to get his medication.

10:24

She told others he's going to the garage

10:26

and she daughter's he was the did it

10:28

in. The police reports that it was garbage

10:30

day was going to pick up the garbage

10:33

been have no idea. Yeah the. Information.

10:35

That we had read was that he had something

10:37

to do in the garage and I was just

10:39

thinking about my living situation here and if I

10:41

ever said that to my significant other at that

10:44

time like I have something to do in the

10:46

garage with her First reaction would have been like

10:48

would you have to do in the garage other

10:50

I'm so I'm just wondering like did he have

10:52

like a little workshop or was or something in

10:54

the garage and will bring him in their know.

10:57

Nothing. Know. It's

10:59

a narrative that was created

11:01

is that was. Plotted.

11:04

Us. And

11:06

unfortunately, the Police

11:09

Department. Didn't.

11:11

Not. Delves. Into it

11:13

more did not see that something

11:15

was off and at all the

11:17

soldiers that were involves saw red

11:19

flags all the searchers like red.

11:22

Sox Something is all. Something's not right.

11:24

Something that rights. To the point

11:26

where they were evil doing crime

11:28

stoppers. Tips: Under police did

11:30

nothing about it. They

11:32

were not insistence the I'm confused how

11:34

how their with there was a search

11:36

and and there were dogs who apparently

11:38

got his track at one point but

11:40

he said tracked him to the intersection

11:43

I guess in the street and and

11:45

demand goes behind the house nothing behind.

11:47

The has absolutely nothing and there

11:49

was no. Trap. There's

11:51

no indentation. There was nothing.

11:53

There was no disturbance in

11:55

the grass. There was nothing.

11:58

to indicate him going to them Canal

12:00

to the area of the canal nothing.

12:02

What about this white SUV with

12:05

with no lights on you tell

12:07

spot that The white SUV

12:09

was caught on

12:11

the neighbor surveillance camera And

12:14

the other thing about this is that in

12:16

when it was daylight and

12:18

the neighbor got up and saw all the police Activities

12:21

it's the direct neighbor He

12:23

went over to inquire or they went over to

12:25

inquire I'm not sure if it's the wife or the husband to

12:27

inquire what was happening and they were told that

12:30

Calvin was missing by the wife so they

12:32

went back to their house and they looked

12:34

at their camera and they saw the image

12:36

of this white SUV that Stopped

12:39

at his house with no lights

12:41

on and then quickly sped off The

12:44

neighbor went back over and

12:47

told the police we have some

12:49

footage. She was not interested She

12:51

never went to look The

12:54

neighbor then

12:56

called the station and Left

12:59

her a message. I have camera

13:01

footage that you could take a look at please.

13:04

She never responded She

13:06

never went it got to the point where

13:09

the neighbor's camera. It's not

13:11

a ring camera it's one of those cameras that you

13:13

purchased from Sam's

13:15

Club and It overrides.

13:17

I think in 10 days so

13:21

the neighbor Wanting

13:24

to get the

13:26

attention of the police department copied

13:30

it on a USB

13:33

drive and literally Took

13:35

it into the police station with

13:38

a note That said this

13:40

is in reference to Calvin Barry's house

13:42

and left it at the front desk

13:45

at the reception area at the police

13:47

station And this is how the detective

13:49

has never went to talk with this

13:51

neighbor We later found

13:53

out That the

13:55

younger daughter owns a white

13:57

SUV that we were not aware of because

14:00

she's married. So she and her husband owns

14:02

a whiteness ring that we were

14:04

not aware of. So I

14:06

don't know if it's involved, but

14:09

at least it should be looked into. How much

14:11

is on the video? Is there a license plate on the

14:14

video? Or can you tell the make and model? Very

14:16

grainy. I got a copy of it and it's very

14:18

grainy. It needs some more high-tech

14:21

SBI type technical

14:24

analysis. So the license

14:27

plate isn't readily, isn't easy

14:29

to read on there? For me, it was not.

14:31

No, it was not. How

14:34

did you get access to the video? I

14:37

requested it through public records. Oh,

14:40

okay. And you were able to get it because

14:42

the case was closed? Because it was closed

14:44

at the time. Yes. Now it's

14:46

reopened. So I don't think you can

14:48

get anything now, but I was able to obtain

14:51

just about all the records before

14:53

it got reopened. And I must

14:56

tell you, it was reopened because

14:58

after the first, the

15:00

medical examiner rules and everything, I said, no,

15:02

no, no, no, no, something is not right.

15:04

Something is strange. And I

15:06

had no problems with his wife and daughters,

15:09

really. We had a

15:11

reasonably okay relationship. She's not someone that I would

15:13

call and said, let's go have dinner, but

15:16

I can call her if I needed to, or she called me

15:19

if she needed to, not frequently. But

15:21

she completely cut off everybody. She

15:23

cut us off completely. She's not

15:25

answering our questions. She just completely

15:28

cut us off. So

15:30

I made an appointment and

15:32

I went and met with the chief

15:34

of police. And there were two things that was

15:36

really troubling me. One

15:39

was the Benadryl

15:43

and two, there

15:45

was a call that came in

15:47

on my brother's phone that

15:50

before his body was found on

15:53

the Saturday. So on the Friday evening, I

15:55

was there. My husband and I

15:57

were there and some other friends and family. And

16:00

she literally held this phone and

16:03

showed us about six

16:06

calls on his phone. And

16:08

it said it was from a private

16:11

number. And she said to us, it

16:13

could be a kidnapping. Look, these calls came in and

16:15

it could be a kidnapping. But

16:18

what I noticed was the last call, the

16:21

other five calls were not answered. But the

16:23

last one was answered. And what

16:25

was unique about it was that it was answered at 2.54

16:27

a.m. Now,

16:31

she said he was missing at midnight or 12.30, dear

16:33

about. She called 911 at

16:35

1.30. 911

16:39

was at her house with three or four police

16:41

officers by 1.40. This

16:44

call came in at 2.54. There

16:48

were three or four police officers at the

16:51

house with her at the time. The daughters were

16:53

not there. It was just her and

16:55

those officers. And the call

16:57

came in at 2.54 a.m. And it was

16:59

answered. It showed that it was answered. She was on the

17:01

phone for 54 seconds. So

17:03

I said to her, this call

17:05

was answered. Who answered the call? She told me

17:07

she did. So I said, well, who

17:10

was on the other line? She said, nobody. They never answered.

17:12

She did not know because they never

17:14

answered. I said, OK. But

17:16

it struck me as odd because

17:19

this is a critical time of a missing

17:21

person search. You're

17:24

still searching, diligently searching

17:26

within a couple of

17:28

hours. And on

17:30

his phone, a call came in.

17:33

The police should know about that call. They

17:35

should be tracing that call. And when

17:38

I spoke to the

17:40

police department, they said they knew nothing of it.

17:43

How could you not know of it? They took

17:45

my brother's phone and they did a forensic download

17:47

of his phone. It was there.

17:50

But they said they did not know about it. So

17:53

when I met with the chief, I said, chief, the

17:56

phone company knows who made this call. The

17:58

display shows private. phone company news

18:00

who made this call. So could

18:02

you please look into it? You have to subpoena

18:05

the records. He said he would. In

18:07

addition, I said the

18:09

Benadryl, because I had gone a little

18:12

bit further and I called Johnson

18:15

& Johnson, who was the maker of Benadryl,

18:17

Poison Control Line. And

18:20

I said, with this level

18:23

of Benadryl, what

18:25

would a person do? And they

18:27

said to me that that level

18:29

of Benadryl, the only thing you can do

18:31

is crash on your couch. So

18:33

to me, he could not even walk outside. So

18:35

how would he get in the canal? So Chief,

18:39

you've got to look into this, please. The

18:42

two most important things that I, there are lots

18:44

of other things that I could have discussed with the

18:46

Chief, but you know, I said, whatever

18:48

the detectives did, I'm not even going to go

18:50

there. I just want them to go to look

18:52

into what's going on and give me answers. And

18:54

the Chief said he would. A month

18:57

later, he calls me and

18:59

he said, the case is

19:01

closed. It's no longer active. We're

19:04

done. I said,

19:06

Chief, really did you subpoena the records?

19:09

His internal attorney told

19:11

him that he did not have probable cause

19:14

to subpoena the records. I said,

19:17

Chief, a

19:19

dead body in his backyard is

19:21

not enough probable cause. You

19:24

know what he said to me? Are you going to

19:26

nitpick everything we do? That's what the Chief said to

19:28

me. I

19:31

said, Chief, you're done, but I'm not

19:33

done because something is off.

19:36

And this is when I went on social

19:38

media and I started and I went on

19:40

TV and I started. I just could not

19:42

accept what was going on. It made no

19:45

sense on top of the

19:47

police department. It just

19:50

blows my mind. I thought I was working

19:53

with a third world country police department.

19:56

It Just blew my mind. And We'll be

19:59

right back. After a quick word from our

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program. Want. To.

20:08

Revisit! The phone call again Just so I

20:10

have it straight my head. The.

20:12

Phone call came in to your brothers phone.

20:14

Yes, And he was answered.

20:17

And. He was answered by is less.

20:20

Your brother's wife If okay. This.

20:23

But. She never alerted the police about

20:25

it. She never told us

20:27

that activity looking see reported nine on

20:30

one emergency that is missing on a

20:32

call came into his phone while the

20:34

police were there and see never reported.

20:37

It to the police and when did

20:39

she call you? Three am.

20:41

And. The phone call that she answered. Look.

20:44

At to sister four and six minutes before

20:46

she called the correct correct and she didn't

20:48

mention that she just grown ups a series

20:50

of phone calls in the last when she

20:52

just the uncertainties in. Here. None of

20:54

that. See. Only sold it

20:56

to me and she literally held the phones

20:58

and sold. It and it's on and said

21:01

this could be a kidnapping because looks he had

21:03

all these particles winded. the protocol start. I.

21:05

Think it was. I will have to go

21:07

metal I since March fourth I want to

21:09

say i'm I'm. On

21:12

my be incorrect but somewhere around there

21:14

so there probably were like to one

21:16

March fourth and then there was. Early

21:18

and them in like two or three the earlier

21:20

that day and and. That. One or

21:23

two sister for an. If. This was

21:25

a kidnapping. What would be? the? Ransom

21:28

What's the purpose of it was was

21:30

a financially well off. There was the

21:32

Ransom request. There. Was a

21:34

ransom. Request was made no

21:36

sense on. The. Friday

21:38

before his body was found.

21:42

On his son Michael.a

21:44

message from. A

21:47

number. On that said

21:49

that they had him and he

21:51

was very sick and they were

21:53

demanding seven. Thousand dollars for

21:56

his return. And.

21:58

One of the other daughter, the younger. also

22:00

got the same message. As

22:03

soon as I drove up to the house and I saw all

22:05

the police and they told me I said let's pay

22:07

it. Let's pay the ransom

22:09

right away. I'm ready to pay. And

22:12

the police said no let's investigate a little further

22:14

to see you know

22:17

it could be a scam, it could be

22:19

let's investigate. And they did later on about

22:21

9.30 that evening they brought

22:24

them into the police station

22:26

and they did their own

22:28

discussion because I don't really call

22:30

it an interview. They did a discussion

22:32

and we have the video of that

22:34

discussion. It's very alarming. And

22:36

who's the discussion with again? The two daughters,

22:39

my nephew Michael and the investigator.

22:43

And what is alarming about it? The behavior of

22:45

the two daughters on the video.

22:48

Can you talk about the defibrillator

22:51

and was

22:53

there a rapid heartbeat that

22:55

it reported? There was a

22:57

rapid heartbeat from

23:00

the report at I want

23:02

to say maybe 2.30 in the morning

23:05

that quickly corrected itself. It

23:07

says none sustained. So

23:09

it quickly corrected itself and did not

23:12

need the defibrillator to correct

23:14

it. So he

23:17

was still alive at that time. And

23:19

that was at 1.40 you said? That was at

23:22

2.13 yes. So

23:24

it was almost like his heart maybe sped

23:26

up or maybe skipped a beat or something?

23:28

Correct but there are not

23:30

as high an episode but there

23:32

are previous episodes of the same

23:35

rapid heartbeat that quickly corrected itself. In

23:37

February and other from the history it

23:39

showed that it occurred before. I mean

23:41

it sounds pretty normal for somebody who

23:43

had a heart condition that they're I

23:45

mean everyone has like a moment where

23:47

their heart speeds up and then flows

23:49

down. And the defibrillator

23:52

never showed

23:54

any kind of therapy from the defibrillator.

23:57

Any kind of therapy like it didn't correct.

26:00

The detectives in the report

26:02

said there was no ring cameras,

26:04

there was nothing, no video, no

26:06

neighbor or anything. Well,

26:09

when I hired my

26:11

accident consultant, he went

26:13

through the neighbor and he counted And

26:16

the detective said there was nothing. So

26:19

this is how my accident

26:22

consultant was able to go back to the

26:24

police department and show them a number of

26:26

things, including our

26:28

pathologists, our forensic pathologists that

26:31

showed there was no water in his lungs. There

26:33

are all these other things that were never looked at.

26:35

There is a question about the levels

26:38

of Benadryl and that's

26:41

how we were able to get the

26:43

case reopened back in October of last

26:45

year. And it's still currently

26:48

an active criminal investigation now. Now,

26:50

when you said that the detectives told you that

26:52

there was no security cameras,

26:54

did they say there was no footage

26:56

from security cameras showing your brother or

26:58

there was no cameras? She

27:01

never told me it's in the report. It's

27:04

in the report that there were no cameras,

27:06

no neighbors cameras. I'm not sure I would

27:09

have to go back to read it if

27:11

it said that nothing captured anything, but she

27:13

never spoke to any neighbor, none

27:16

with a camera. Was there a sighting of him around 3

27:18

a.m.? There was

27:20

someone who reported that there was

27:22

some sighting, but we don't think

27:24

it's relating

27:26

to him. And the

27:29

police went to the site and found

27:31

nothing. And that was just like an eyewitness

27:33

report that wasn't from camera

27:35

footage? No, no, no. That was someone

27:37

called in to the station. I see. And

27:40

there was nothing. A neighbor? I

27:44

don't remember if it's a neighbor or if it's

27:46

someone driving by. I seem

27:48

to remember someone saying that they were

27:50

going somewhere or dropping someone off or

27:52

something and they spotted him. And

27:55

They called and said they just saw him or they

27:57

saw him and then the police raced over there and

27:59

there was nothing. It's odd.

28:01

It's very strange. It's very

28:03

odd. Yeah, So. Where

28:06

do you go from here? Well.

28:09

I'm very vocal about it

28:11

because. Who. Wouldn't me

28:13

and is why Food me.

28:15

So we have a civil

28:17

lawsuit weights we expect to

28:20

have a trial in August

28:22

of next, a schedule for

28:24

August of next year. So.

28:27

Somehow. I will get answers

28:29

either by. The criminal investigation

28:31

Or the civil lawsuit? We.

28:34

Will get answers. I. Just

28:36

want to. I think

28:38

this is probably my last question, but I

28:40

wanted to ask about any motive that would

28:42

be. Game. Door Financial is

28:45

one and also a foreign

28:47

woman. What's the finance situation?

28:49

While he was thirty years of post office,

28:51

think about the pension and the. Other

28:54

stuff and all of that

28:56

goes to his significant other. Was.

29:00

Criminally charged Self. Sees.

29:02

The next of kin. And them in am

29:04

very vocal about it and I will not

29:07

rest. I will. Ice I cannot. I

29:09

hope I it's something that I

29:11

must do for my brother does

29:13

indicate him until civilian kill. Me:

29:15

Because and we from. The beginning

29:17

From day one, all I'm asking

29:19

These Police. Are. This Police

29:21

Department. Is. To look into

29:23

these things, something is not

29:26

right. Who. Would. Take

29:28

the entire belongings of their

29:31

house after. A

29:33

love one just passed away and just dump

29:35

them all. On the street. Dining

29:38

Table with tears piano. To

29:40

computers, all these things are only

29:42

on the street. Who does that?

29:45

And Why do Salvation Army?

29:47

The Wood. Furniture Good

29:49

stuff. There. Is donation but

29:51

to dump them on the

29:54

street. To. Does that?

29:56

Used. To forget the pictures of that in the. The

30:00

Pdf that. That you

30:02

sent us. Oh I mean you not really

30:04

exaggerating? They are. It does look like someone

30:06

just push them off the backwards of a

30:08

truck. Went. And a

30:10

neighbor ended up calling

30:13

code enforcement. To clean it up. Because.

30:15

It was sitting. there is an eyesore.

30:17

People came and took what they wanted

30:19

and what was left. A neighbor had

30:22

to call code enforcement to get it

30:24

cleaned up. Who. Does

30:26

desks, And why Under

30:28

several other things I am very.

30:31

Limited. In all the things that

30:33

I can say because us the pending

30:36

investigation and the that a lawsuit but

30:38

there are several. This. Is

30:40

just the tip of the iceberg? There several.

30:43

That makes no sense. Wow, well

30:45

done and we'd love to have

30:47

you back for an update at

30:49

some point or but it is.

30:51

There anything else you'd like to

30:53

say here today. While. I'm

30:56

marking on knowing what the

30:58

laws are in. The state of Florida

31:00

that I did not know before. I guess the

31:02

A sign these things out when year

31:04

directly involved in these situations. And

31:07

I remember communicating with one

31:09

of the sergeant at the

31:11

police station and I said

31:14

to him. Something. Is

31:16

all something is Not right? And

31:18

he said to me remember Oj

31:21

Simpson. They. Knew that he did

31:23

it but they could not signed the evidence.

31:25

To prove that he did it. But. You

31:27

can file a lawsuit you should vote you

31:30

can salah as a wrongful death lawsuit. So.

31:33

If we don't find anything you could final

31:35

follow wrongful death lawsuit. I

31:37

cannot sell or on for that loss. Was in the

31:40

state of Florida. As

31:42

him not on my brother's son.

31:44

My nephew Michael also said that

31:46

because the laws in the state

31:48

of Florida said ah I'm the

31:51

only person that could fall or

31:53

wrongful death lawsuit. Is the representative

31:55

of the a state. She's.

31:57

A representative of be a states. I.

32:00

Can not fall along for that. Losses. So

32:04

imagine. The. Gift she gave

32:06

me when she saw me. For.

32:09

Defamation. So. That's

32:11

her lawsuit. this against us

32:13

for defamation? Correct? correct? But

32:17

that was. Biggest. Why?

32:21

Is it a gift? Khazar? There's more information

32:23

coming or. It allows me and

32:25

my attorney. To do discovery.

32:28

So now. We. Can

32:31

do. What a police department did not

32:33

do. Right because if her

32:35

lawsuit is. Claiming. A You

32:37

defamed her with these accusations. Then

32:40

you have to look into all

32:42

of the accusations. She's. Opening

32:44

up all the book in order to

32:46

free her own. the burden of proof

32:48

is on her. We are My hands

32:50

were tied, I had like some what

32:52

can I do and sulks. I was.

32:55

Alluding to this of the fact that I ended

32:57

up. Starting. To

32:59

get a bill drafted

33:02

into Florida legislature to

33:04

allow for a second.

33:07

Investigation. In on on

33:10

charts on naturals. Death by

33:12

an. Independent. Agency.

33:15

For I'm working on that. Know

33:17

that's that's really cool. So getting

33:20

a bill pass it's a family

33:22

member can can request a second.

33:25

Independent investigation. By a

33:28

different agency rates which. Would.

33:30

Be a state agency or a

33:32

neighboring agency. Now. That's great That's

33:34

great. I could help out that could help available

33:36

on it'll just some bullets and. And. I can

33:39

tell you this is not an easy. Road

33:41

to be going down.

33:43

It's costly. It's emotionally

33:46

draining. It's physically draining.

33:48

but. Somebody.

33:51

Has to do it. And

33:53

just think of that many

33:55

people before me that. Got.

33:58

No justice because. A

34:00

police department will decide that oh your

34:02

life was not worth it. You.

34:04

Want Less was not worth it for us to do

34:07

any investigation so we just saw that and move on

34:09

to the next. So. Diligently.

34:12

Working on all these other things,

34:14

an arm of course, defending myself

34:16

in a defamation lawsuit, And

34:19

hopefully we'll get a It's been over a year.

34:21

Know that this instead of criminal investigation

34:23

was reopened and and no update Nothing!

34:25

While they don't really tell months they

34:28

don't where they tell you much and

34:30

I mean as even gone to the

34:32

F I. And they

34:34

don't really have the to. I

34:36

guess we have to wait until

34:38

they're finished to to get a

34:40

sense of where. What they

34:43

found eagerly waiting because. All.

34:45

That I have and I have seen.

34:48

I don't know. What? This Police

34:50

Department could tell me. Other

34:52

than. You know?

34:54

ah and and of us are charged any.

34:56

I don't see what else they could do

34:59

on. Definitely keep us updated. Incredible

35:01

story. Yeah. Really?

35:04

Well done in know compiling all this

35:06

info and dumb you know even attending

35:09

crime cause this flyer that you

35:11

are passing out of is very informative

35:13

double sided and that's that's really the

35:15

way to do it if I

35:17

if you're trying to get some coverage

35:20

from podcast years. So really well

35:22

done. And. Thank you so much for

35:24

having me and I'll a partisan us next

35:26

year. and over the

35:28

excellent you'll be there nashville nashville yes

35:31

good ring breed mobile you have some

35:33

developments by then i must i must

35:35

good luck with every bit of thank

35:38

you so much there for other me

35:40

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