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1:43

Welcome back to missing I'm Tim here

1:45

today with Lance Lance. How are you

1:47

today? I'm doing fantastic today Tim I

1:49

love it when we have these special episodes where we can

1:52

Present to the audience a bit of a

1:54

gift that we received This is something that

1:56

came to us through the nonprofit that we

1:59

are on the board of that most

2:01

people are aware of, private investigations for the

2:03

missing. This is not a

2:05

typical investigation for the

2:07

missing that our

2:09

famed detective, Lou Berry,

2:12

worked on, but it was presented to us.

2:14

And when that happened, I don't know about you, Tim, but

2:17

I felt like this was a gift. We got

2:19

to present something special to the audience and we

2:21

got something special too. Yeah. Well,

2:23

it's an amazing story and private investigations for

2:25

the missing is the nonprofit that you mentioned,

2:27

Lance, that we're on the board of. Lou

2:30

Berry is also on the board of it

2:32

and he's going to join us in this

2:34

first segment. What private

2:36

investigations for the missing does

2:38

is investigate missing persons cases when

2:40

families don't have the means to

2:43

do so themselves. And typically it's

2:45

cold cases. But what PIs

2:47

for the missing doesn't do is investigate

2:49

missing animals. And

2:52

this episode is actually about

2:54

a missing dog named Da

2:56

Vinci who Lou Berry helped

2:58

locate. But the tie in

3:00

here is that the owner of Da Vinci,

3:02

Da Vinci's friend, Christina, was

3:05

missing and trafficked at one point

3:07

in the past. And so Christina

3:09

joins us in this conversation as well in

3:11

the second segment. I love how you said

3:13

her friend. And I just think

3:16

it's a remarkable set of circumstances when someone

3:18

in her position has this pet friend and

3:21

this is a living being that helped her

3:23

get through the most

3:25

difficult time in her life to help her recover.

3:28

And that friend goes missing. And I

3:30

just love the set of circumstances when

3:32

she reached out to private investigations

3:35

for the missing. And I'm

3:37

not going to give the details of the

3:39

email because I believe Lou says what exactly

3:41

it was in that email, the context of

3:43

it that really kind of tugged at Lou's

3:45

heartstrings. And as you and I know, Tim,

3:48

for Lou to have heartstrings and

3:51

for somebody to actually be able to tug them

3:53

is pretty impressive. Well, he's a dog guy.

3:56

So, you know, in several of our interviews

3:58

with Lou, you can hear his

4:00

dogs. And Christina becomes the first

4:02

official person on this show to

4:05

have an interview with us from the

4:07

Statue of Liberty. Yeah, I thought that

4:09

was very fitting actually that she

4:11

did this conversation from this

4:13

cafe right next to

4:16

the Statue of Liberty. Well, you think about it

4:18

in a metaphorical sense. You have somebody who came

4:20

out of captivity right there at

4:22

the base of Lady Liberty, the symbol of

4:24

freedom. So I don't know if she intended

4:27

this to be highly symbolic, but that's

4:29

how I'm going to take it now. And again, this

4:31

is the gift that I was talking

4:33

about. And speaking of dogs and cats

4:35

and pets, Tim, as you know, there's

4:37

really severe weather patterns

4:40

happening all throughout the country, significant

4:43

cold weather happening in areas that don't

4:45

typically experience significant cold. So we just

4:47

wanted to put it out there. If

4:49

you have a pet, please be mindful

4:52

of your pet's comfort and safety

4:54

in these situations, in these conditions.

4:56

Make sure they're properly equipped when

4:58

taking them outside and making

5:00

sure they're comfortable and don't

5:02

walk your dog through areas that have all

5:05

of that rock salt if they're trying to

5:07

melt the ice. I mean, that just rips

5:09

up the dog's paws. So just be mindful.

5:12

Just wanted to give a quick PSA there.

5:14

All right, everyone. Thanks a lot for listening.

5:16

We're going to play the first segment with

5:18

Lou Barry now. But first, we're going to

5:21

take a quick commercial break and we'll be

5:23

right back with Lou Barry of PIs for

5:25

the Missing. Lou

5:41

Barry, welcome back to the podcast. How are

5:43

you today? Great. Thanks.

5:46

Always a pleasure. How's everything with you? Yeah, things

5:49

are going really, really well over here. We're

5:51

coming off of this conversation that

5:53

you had directed us toward. It's

5:56

a private investigation for the missing

5:59

related. case a related

6:01

story But not typical

6:04

to what private investigations for the

6:06

missing does on a regular

6:08

basis But before we get to that, I know

6:11

Hundreds of thousands of people already know who you are But

6:14

can you just give us a brief rundown

6:16

of you and what you've done and your

6:19

position with the organization? Well, I spent about

6:21

35 years in law enforcement 24

6:24

is chief and Then

6:26

retired became did some private investigating

6:29

and got involved with mr. Maitland

6:31

on his daughter's case Brianna and

6:34

then Subsequently through that got involved

6:36

in the nonprofit private investigations for the

6:38

missing through them My role

6:41

primarily is to screen cases when they

6:43

come in a case

6:45

request I talked to the family and talked to

6:47

law enforcement and then determine Number

6:51

one if it fits our criteria

6:53

and if so make a

6:55

recommendation to the board of directors and if they decide

6:58

that it's a case that

7:00

we you know can take on and

7:02

I find a competent

7:04

private investigator and They

7:07

basically turn it over to them and they

7:09

run with it. And what is the mission

7:11

of private investigations for the missing? It was

7:13

started by Bruce Through

7:16

a conversation he had was actually with Greg

7:18

over actor who's put in a number of

7:20

hours Brianna's case obviously

7:23

himself since the mid

7:25

2000s. I think early 2000s Bruce

7:28

recognized the need for private

7:32

investigators to assist families particularly

7:34

in cold cases because Law

7:37

enforcement gets kind of overwhelmed at times. They

7:39

don't have the resources on

7:41

many Occasions to be

7:44

able to devote to cases as they

7:47

Get historic in nature And

7:50

they have a tendency to sit on a shelf

7:53

and gather dust and as time goes by by

7:55

less and less it's done on

7:57

a case actively so Bruce recognized

7:59

the value of private

8:02

investigators that could concentrate and

8:04

work with and for the

8:06

family. So that's why

8:09

he started the organization. And that's basically

8:11

what we do. We provide

8:13

families of missing

8:15

persons, specifically called

8:18

case missing persons, because many,

8:21

many of the requests that we get in are

8:23

very fresh within days, weeks, months.

8:25

And we just can't

8:27

handle the volume. We've had over, I

8:30

think, 175 case requests since January 1st.

8:33

Obviously, we rely on

8:35

donations and we just don't have

8:37

the resources to devote a private

8:39

investigator to all those cases. This

8:42

is probably a great time to

8:44

cut in and mention that PIs

8:46

for the Missing does run on

8:48

your donations. If you've got any

8:50

room in your budget, we know

8:52

PIs for the Missing really appreciates

8:54

your donation. Check out investigationsforthemissing.org. Okay,

8:57

so tell us about what happened

9:00

with this case when Christina Blunt

9:02

emailed you. She

9:04

mentioned her email. Would you be able

9:06

to discuss that a little bit?

9:09

Yeah, she contacted us and

9:11

was looking for a private investigator. She told

9:13

me a little bit about her background. I'm

9:15

not sure how much she shared with you

9:17

about that. She said that

9:19

she was suffering from PTSD as

9:21

a result of what she had

9:24

gone through as a victim. She

9:26

had an emotional support animal,

9:28

specifically a dog named Da

9:30

Vinci who was a schnauzer. She explained

9:33

that last April she had gone

9:35

somewhere or something and left it with a

9:37

so-called friend. When

9:39

she got back and went to get the dog,

9:41

the dog wasn't there. The friend said that she'd

9:44

give her a couple of stories and she'd given it away or

9:46

that it was in Florida, it was in a shelter. So

9:49

I explained to her that we don't

9:51

do dogs. We

9:53

do missing persons. Yet I

9:57

felt bad for her because I realized, just

9:59

in talking. to her how much

10:01

this dog meant to her and how

10:03

much of an asset it was to

10:05

a person in her type

10:08

of situation. So I told

10:10

her I try and help her as best I could anyways

10:13

and subsequently

10:15

located the woman that she had left the dog

10:18

with who had moved and not told her where

10:20

she had moved to so she couldn't find her.

10:23

She had been to animal control and they said hey

10:25

there's nothing we can do we don't know where the

10:27

woman is we don't know where the dog is we

10:29

can't help you. So I located the woman anyways and

10:32

supplied her with that information and

10:34

she subsequently supplied

10:36

that information to animal

10:38

control who went out

10:41

and found the dog I

10:43

guess was in a shelter right down the

10:45

street from where the person lived. So

10:48

I think on Thanksgiving day

10:50

she was reunited with DaVinci

10:53

and they returned to New York. So it was pretty

10:55

you know it was a a

10:57

good feeling to be able to help the girl out even

11:00

though again it's not

11:02

a person it was a dog but still

11:05

you know we're in the business of helping people and that's what

11:07

we did I guess. What was it

11:09

about her initial request

11:12

that stood out in a way where

11:14

you felt like this is something that

11:16

you needed to be a part of and help her

11:18

out with? Something she said really

11:21

kind of hit home with what we're doing now

11:23

and that's one of the things she said

11:25

is I I wish this organization

11:27

had been around back when I was

11:30

a victim because she said no

11:32

one looked for me. I felt bad that we

11:34

weren't around and there wasn't

11:36

an organization back then that could look

11:38

for her. I know maybe that was

11:41

part of it. I maybe I just have a soft

11:44

spot for victims and dogs.

11:49

So how was Christina reunited with DaVinci?

11:51

As far as I know she took

11:54

the bus down. She

11:56

lives somewhere in New York. I assume New York City although I

11:58

don't know that for a fact. and she,

12:01

this was down in Maryland. So

12:03

as far as I believe, she

12:06

took the bus down because I

12:08

know she said on Thanksgiving day, she

12:10

and DaVinci returned on the bus to New

12:12

York. So, but my guess is that that's

12:15

what happened. Once they located the dog, I

12:18

did follow up with her afterwards. After

12:20

I'd given her the information and she told me the dog

12:22

had been located, I'd followed up maybe

12:24

a couple of days after Thanksgiving to see how she

12:26

made out. That's when she told me that she had

12:29

been reunited, spent Thanksgiving

12:31

day on the bus back to New

12:33

York. It's a really cool story that

12:35

ended in a really positive way. Having

12:38

the capability to look into something like

12:41

that and providing the information to someone

12:43

to make it all happen is

12:46

really remarkable. And I'm wondering if you

12:49

would be open to doing this more often with

12:51

pets. No.

12:55

No. No. Like

12:59

I said, we had 175 cases come in since January.

13:04

So that really, really can get

13:06

time consuming. He's making

13:09

phone calls, waiting for phone calls to come

13:11

back. Sometimes

13:13

it can take two weeks just to

13:15

get contact established and get things rolling.

13:18

So although I'd love to be able to

13:20

help people with it, I

13:22

really can't commit the nonprofit, obviously

13:24

to doing that. That's

13:27

just not the focus of it, that's all.

13:29

Not to say that a similar

13:31

situation ever arose that I'd turn them

13:33

down, but I wouldn't

13:35

wanna give anyone false hope or

13:38

information out there and certainly wouldn't

13:40

wanna commit the nonprofit into expanding

13:42

our role. She's

13:46

very lucky. From

13:48

what I know of a

13:51

trafficking victim, she's very lucky to get out

13:53

of that situation. Another

13:56

thing that I think is

13:58

notable, in her case, you

14:01

know, she's African-American. You know, unfortunately,

14:03

I hate to

14:05

say this, but even fewer resources are

14:08

put in my experience towards people

14:10

of color, indigenous

14:12

people. It's

14:14

too bad, but they don't have

14:16

the support structure many

14:19

times. And I know nothing of her background

14:21

whatsoever, but it sounded

14:23

like she didn't really have family that was supportive

14:27

or, you know, I don't know. Or at

14:29

least there was no one, according to her,

14:31

no one was looking for her, which is

14:33

kind of sad, and that

14:35

still goes on, I think. People get

14:37

trafficked and go missing, and no

14:40

one looks for them. Well, in fact,

14:42

our first quote find from

14:44

the nonprofit was a young

14:46

African-American male runaway, and

14:49

we found him, and no one had

14:51

been looking for him. You know, he

14:53

had run away at 16 and put in a

14:55

database, and that was the end of that, you

14:58

know, when we did locate him safe and sound

15:00

in Maryland, actually. That's

15:03

just, you know, another aspect

15:06

of things that, where I

15:08

hope the nonprofit can help out. And

15:10

I think that's Bruce's intent also. That's one

15:13

of the reasons he started it. You know,

15:15

many times these cases that get a lot

15:17

of attention are spurred

15:19

by the media, and the media, as

15:22

pointed out by the Gabby Petito case,

15:24

you know, that the pretty girl from

15:26

the suburbs, it's gone missing. That's the

15:29

tension grabber for the media, and that's

15:32

the cases that get attention. It's too bad. I

15:34

mean, not that they shouldn't, but they

15:38

all should, you know. You

15:40

know, ironically, the dog being

15:42

an emotional support animal is

15:45

helping her as a trafficking

15:47

victim, and in a sense,

15:49

the dog got trafficked, and she took

15:51

the efforts to find the dog and,

15:53

you know, rescue the dog,

15:56

so to speak. And we'll be right

15:58

back after a quick word from our sponsor. Thanks

16:03

to our sponsors and now we're back to the program.

16:06

And now here is Christina speaking about

16:08

how she was missing and trafficked in

16:10

the past. We have been looking

16:12

forward to this conversation with you because it's a little

16:14

bit different than the usual conversations that we have. It's

16:17

a great refreshing change of pace but

16:20

this has become even better because

16:22

we have never had a guest

16:24

come on who is

16:26

about to record with us

16:29

and then they say I had to go to the Statue of

16:31

Liberty to do so. Yeah,

16:33

pretty much. Why are you at the

16:36

Statue of Liberty? I don't know.

16:38

I just, I went to a Christmas party

16:40

so I was off of class this morning

16:42

and I don't

16:45

know. I just was around the Statue of

16:47

Liberty. I was going to get on the

16:49

ferry to Staten Island and then

16:51

I saw the Statue of Liberty and

16:54

I was like, well, payday pass, I

16:56

don't see why not. I have the

16:58

time and it's no better day

17:00

than today. And I'm celebrating because

17:03

I'm actually releasing music soon at the

17:05

end of the year, Christmas Eve. So

17:08

it's kind of a celebratory type of thing. Oh,

17:11

very cool. Congratulations. Thank you.

17:13

What kind of music? I do poetic hip-hop.

17:15

Nice. I

17:18

actually originally was going to come out under

17:21

the artist's name, Missing Black Girl because

17:24

I was a missing teen. But

17:26

I felt like the name was a little

17:28

too triggering and all

17:31

the subject matter. I was actually

17:33

trafficked when I was missing. So

17:35

it was kind of triggering and a little depressing.

17:38

So now I'm coming out as the artist named Butter

17:40

and it feels a lot

17:42

lighter. It's

17:44

more based on love and healing

17:47

after the trauma and things like that

17:49

than just based in the trauma. This

17:51

has already been one of my favorite interviews so far

17:53

this year. Thank you. That's

17:56

amazing. How did you decide that? was

18:00

the style of music that you wanted

18:02

to pursue? Well, so I

18:05

was, I've been a poet since

18:07

I was about 12, 13 years old,

18:09

I'd say about 12. I

18:11

also did music. I played three instruments,

18:13

piano, trumpet, and front horn. I

18:15

was in the church choir. So I've

18:18

always loved music and I'm always

18:20

so poetry and I secretly

18:22

liked hip-hop when I was a kid.

18:25

So I say secretly because I had

18:28

two older brothers and whenever we got

18:30

the radio to be able to change

18:32

from oldies 100 and gospel music, you

18:35

know, we'd be fighting over the radio and

18:37

I'd be like, I want to listen to

18:39

pop, but you

18:42

know, so it was just

18:44

a natural evolution of, I guess, where

18:46

my music would have gone. So

18:49

still keeping with poetry, but not

18:51

quite like spoken word. So

18:54

more of the beat of hip-hop. Very

18:57

cool. And where can we listen

19:00

to that when it's available? It

19:02

will be on all platforms. You

19:05

know, starting Christmas Eve and I'll make sure

19:07

to keep you all updated. Okay, cool.

19:10

Thank you. Thank you. I saw a French

19:12

horn once. It

19:14

scared the crap out of me. I don't know. I

19:17

don't know how you do it. Good for you. I

19:19

love the awesome instrument, honestly. The

19:21

tones are so mellow and it just,

19:24

you feel like an instrument yourself

19:27

when you play it, honestly. Because

19:29

you have to do the most. You

19:32

have to play with the

19:34

opposite hand of the trumpet, but

19:36

then you use the hand that you were playing

19:39

with the trumpet and you kind of use it

19:41

to kind of round out

19:43

and mellow out those tones. So I

19:45

actually look forward to playing again one

19:47

day. I actually

19:49

stopped playing instruments when

19:51

I left home, so bittersweet.

19:54

Would you want to talk about that at all

19:56

when you were missing and trafficked? Yeah.

20:00

I actually, I was

20:02

17 and an

20:04

at-risk youth and stuff like that

20:06

had kind of already gone through

20:08

a lot of traumatic events and things

20:11

like that. And I

20:13

had a medical emergency as

20:15

I would say. I was a little

20:18

manic and ended up going

20:20

missing. And within two days, I was

20:22

being trafficked in another state. Yeah,

20:26

like literally the worst case scenario

20:28

happened. So now that

20:30

that's over, I'm ready to live. There's

20:34

only one way to go from there. So

20:38

luckily I was out of

20:40

that life within two years

20:43

by the age of 18. I was 18 or 19. And

20:48

just kind of a rebuilding sense. It's been a

20:50

little rough, just having a title, missing person. It's

20:57

not as, I mean, it doesn't sound

20:59

fun, but it's

21:02

a hard life because you go through the

21:04

years of being missing, but going through some

21:06

of the things I went through, it

21:09

seemed like everybody kind of turned

21:11

into, in my point of view,

21:13

an enemy, not really an enemy, but like,

21:15

oh, the police don't care about me. Well,

21:17

my family didn't, it doesn't feel like they

21:19

look for me. The

21:22

world just kind of becomes an

21:25

opposing force and even

21:28

trying to make it back into

21:30

being a part of the world is difficult.

21:32

Because there's a lot to get through. Just

21:35

even getting your ID and your birth certificate

21:37

and having to get your social security card,

21:39

those three things right there is hard enough.

21:41

But then to, do I get a GED?

21:44

How do I get a job? And how

21:46

does the world even work when

21:48

you're kind of living as

21:50

a product of the black market? Like,

21:53

it gets weird. I

21:55

think it is incredibly important to have this discussion

21:57

with you because we talk about a lot of...

21:59

missing individuals that come from at-risk environments,

22:02

whether it's their community or whether it's

22:04

their family or a number of circumstances,

22:06

but no one really

22:09

talks about the trafficking thing in a

22:11

serious way. It's

22:13

like we talk about a missing

22:15

individual and the idea or the

22:18

one hypothesis is that, oh, maybe they were

22:21

trafficked. And that's typically where the conversation ends.

22:23

We try to elaborate on it, but I

22:25

don't know why. Maybe it

22:27

has something to do with how you

22:30

said you were a product of the black market.

22:32

No one wants to think about that. No one

22:34

wants to think about a 16, 17-year-old young woman

22:38

going into this black market because

22:40

that's about as

22:42

dark as it gets.

22:45

So I think it's important to see someone like yourself come

22:47

out of it. You're a musician,

22:49

you have a great story, a

22:52

great survivor story. Thank you. Oh,

22:55

thank you. But I'm

22:58

wondering, we don't really get an opportunity

23:00

to ask this question. When you were

23:02

taken, when you were missing, was

23:05

it immediately clear to

23:07

you that this was a trafficking situation or was

23:09

that like a gradual thing that happened? I

23:12

mean, I would say a little bit of

23:14

both. I mean, I knew within

23:16

the first days, like

23:18

what it was. Like

23:21

when you're literally watching money

23:23

exchange hands for you, like

23:26

it's kind of like a deep moment,

23:28

but at the same time, like it

23:30

was scary. And honestly, like I

23:33

just now in life started

23:35

getting support of different organizations

23:37

that have been helping me

23:39

finally get through. That's why I'm at the

23:41

Statue of Liberty today, because

23:44

I feel like I've finally reached that

23:46

point of liberty, but I remember the

23:48

first organization that ever approached me was

23:51

when I was on the track in

23:53

DC. And this

23:55

was within 24 hours of me

23:57

being missing. And I was missing from like 15.

24:00

minutes away in Maryland.

24:02

All they offered me was a list

24:04

of bad tricks and some

24:07

condoms. And I was like,

24:09

oh, this is my welcome party to hell.

24:11

That's what this is. Okay, so this is

24:14

really happening. So yeah, it was pretty apparent,

24:16

like in the beginning. But obviously when

24:19

I first went missing, like I didn't know what

24:21

was going to happen. And the crazy thing

24:24

about it, I actually just wrote a song

24:26

mentioning this. But when I left

24:28

home, like I was super romantic.

24:30

And I only brought

24:32

with me a backpack full of poetry.

24:35

I didn't bring food. I didn't bring

24:37

clothes. I didn't bring money. Like none

24:39

of the stuff that like a reasonable

24:41

person would pack to take on deserted

24:43

islands that I bring. I just

24:46

brought like pages and pages

24:48

and books and books of poetry that

24:50

I had written over what

24:52

three or four years I plan to

24:54

publish. And I was

24:57

telling because now it comes full circle and

24:59

I'm entering the world of hip

25:01

hop, which is based in poetry. So I'm

25:03

like, I guess I saved the right thing.

25:05

You know, it didn't get far. The poetry

25:07

didn't make it far. But I

25:09

guess it got further than I

25:11

could have expected because some of the

25:14

words that I speak in some of

25:16

my music even come from the

25:19

time while I was traffic, which I actually

25:21

had a 15 year writers block after

25:23

I was missing. So it

25:25

speaks volumes that some of

25:27

those words still broke through.

25:30

Wow, amazing. Thank you.

25:32

Yeah. How did you get

25:34

out of this situation? I had another

25:36

manic episode. I

25:39

know it sounds crazy, but you know, like

25:41

the way I went in was the way

25:43

I came out. And I, I mean, I

25:45

don't know what y'all's beliefs are, right? So I

25:48

was really manic and I actually

25:50

have this song called angels and

25:53

I swore I saw angels. I just

25:55

remember like really like praying, praying, praying

25:57

really, really hard to get out of

25:59

my current situation. I was like, I'm gonna

26:01

die like this. And I don't know, I

26:03

felt like I was rescued by angels. I

26:06

don't know, I can't explain it. But I

26:08

told a gorilla pimp to his face I

26:10

was leaving, and he didn't put a hand

26:12

on me. It was shocking because, you know,

26:14

people always ask the

26:16

ignorant question of, oh,

26:18

well, when you're trafficked and

26:21

you're like off on your own, why don't

26:23

you just leave? I don't like nobody's holding

26:25

a gun to your head. Nobody. There is

26:27

so much mental bondage

26:30

that happens when you're

26:32

in slavery. And I didn't

26:35

realize until after I got out how

26:37

much bondage I was in, like I

26:40

was literally walking a beach for like

26:42

80 blocks. And so I

26:44

kind of just like, figured it

26:46

out. And then she jumped on a bus

26:48

and went to Atlanta and started a new

26:50

life. I mean, it didn't go that smoothly,

26:52

but you know, I was

26:55

free. But it was a lot of,

26:58

you know, you have Stockholm syndrome, you

27:00

have the whole thing I was saying

27:03

about, oh, nobody on the planet cares

27:05

about me for real. Love,

27:07

you know, my heart was butchered before I

27:09

even had the chance to fall in love.

27:12

The stereotypes, the way I judge

27:14

myself, you know, the thing,

27:17

me feeling like I was a sinner. Is

27:20

anybody ever going to love me? Like,

27:22

how do I do life? I'm so

27:24

lost. And then

27:26

the crazy thing is, back

27:29

in, this was, it would have been

27:31

around 2008 when I got out

27:33

of the life. So there weren't,

27:35

even though there may have been some

27:38

organizations popping up or some may have

27:40

been available, we didn't have smartphones like

27:42

we do today. We didn't have resources

27:44

readily at our fingertips. So I

27:47

was literally winging it. Like, I

27:49

didn't have utilized any resources to

27:52

get out of what I was in. I just, I

27:55

don't know, somehow made it. And it

27:57

was a longer road for me. having

28:00

had to do that and that's kind

28:02

of why I want to utilize my

28:05

gifts to Make it an

28:07

easier road for somebody else honestly because I'm

28:09

35 now and I got out when

28:11

I was Like I

28:13

said 18 19 and I'm

28:15

just now getting to a point in a lot in

28:18

my life where I'm feeling free Yeah,

28:20

it took some time. It's not some

28:22

time. It's still a work in progress, but I'm

28:24

on to the good part Yeah,

28:27

good good. And how do you even

28:30

begin to start? I know right it was

28:32

it was a lot of picking up the pieces

28:35

and even since then like, you know,

28:37

obviously We connected

28:39

after I had you know I

28:41

don't I do a PTSD as

28:43

well and I wasn't even

28:45

diagnosed a PTSD until I was about

28:48

30 years old So I

28:50

didn't know how to manage it, you know

28:52

you think a PTSD and you think of

28:54

war vets but you know, and I'm

28:56

getting a little emotional now, but I Went

28:59

through a lot like literally, you know, and this was

29:01

2006 to 2008 when I was traffic So

29:04

it's not like I was on the internet.

29:06

I wasn't just sitting around a house being

29:08

shopped on the internet I was literally on

29:11

a track like jumping in and out of

29:13

cars not knowing You know, is

29:15

this gonna be the last car I get into

29:17

I've looked into the eyes of serial killers And

29:19

I don't know that for a fact But I

29:22

literally been in the car with somebody who like

29:24

just stopped speaking Blanked out parked

29:26

the car by some warehouses and went to

29:28

his trunk and popped it and I'm

29:30

taking off running in Five-inch heels

29:33

like, you know, like I've lived

29:35

through some stuff as a teenager I was

29:37

like forced to grow up and I mean,

29:40

I used said where do you start? Like I don't know

29:42

I mean me I believe in God

29:44

and I believe in My

29:46

gifts that that I've been given which was

29:48

one of them was poetry so even

29:51

though I wasn't writing at the time like

29:53

I kind of had to Find

29:56

other ways to express myself artistically and

29:58

that kind of got me me

30:00

through. I got comfortable with being

30:02

nomadic, so I moved all

30:04

over the East Coast. Like nowhere

30:07

felt like home. I went

30:09

for a long time without having friends because I

30:11

didn't know how to be a friend. Like it

30:14

was weird. Even tried dating once.

30:16

That didn't work out. Ended up

30:18

in a D.V. situation. But anyway,

30:20

I mean, so I don't know.

30:22

I just I just finally

30:25

am being patient with myself and

30:27

not trying to like fix

30:29

every piece of me because a lot was

30:31

broken. A lot happened. And I

30:34

don't think most people can really

30:37

fathom what it would have been like

30:39

to not even just be trafficked.

30:43

But being a missing person

30:45

and being a teenager and

30:47

being an African-American. It's crazy

30:50

to me. And this is

30:52

for all missing people, right? It

30:55

blows my mind that I

30:58

was arrested repetitively as a

31:00

teenager, charged as an adult

31:02

for prostitution. They ran my

31:04

fingerprints and I was on the

31:06

missing and sweaty person list. I

31:09

had an active APV out of me at one point.

31:12

Why is it that you have a system

31:14

that if you run your fingerprints, they could

31:16

find warrants, they could find out if

31:18

you lied about your name, but they

31:20

don't have anything that coincides

31:22

with the missing and sweaty person

31:25

list, with active APBs, with missing

31:27

teens. And honestly, like when

31:29

I make a deal, because I'm going to claim it,

31:31

you know, and I have the

31:33

money to do so. We have so much

31:35

technology now. We're on to doing AI things.

31:38

Like it really just takes getting

31:40

the right people together and finding

31:42

a way so that people

31:44

aren't falling through the holes. Because you

31:47

have, if you think about the story

31:49

of who's a young lady, she was

31:51

recently released from prison after doing what,

31:54

13, 15 years? Since, since Toya Brown. I

32:00

hope I'm saying her name right.

32:03

But if you think about a young lady like her, like,

32:06

she had probably been arrested before for

32:08

prostitution, and she was a teenager at

32:10

the time. She could

32:12

have gotten back all those years of her

32:14

life that she missed if people had —

32:17

like, even with the foster care system. I think

32:19

all that stuff should be in that

32:22

programming, honestly. I

32:24

don't know. I'm a little

32:27

technologically based, but I'm not that

32:29

advanced. One day, I'm putting that

32:32

energy out there. I hope

32:34

to be a part of a team that can make that

32:36

happen. They don't find a lot

32:39

of missing kids — and missing adults, too, because

32:41

it's not just kids on the missing and sweaty person

32:44

list. That makes no sense whatsoever,

32:46

that they weren't able

32:48

to connect those dots. Right. I

32:50

literally was arrested more times than I could

32:52

count, in a very small amount of

32:54

time. Even

32:56

in the same state that

32:59

I was missing from — so

33:02

I was arrested in Maryland, arrested

33:04

in D.C., but the

33:06

crazy part about it — and maybe I'm

33:08

over-talking, but I'm going to say this —

33:11

so I was arrested in D.C., and

33:13

I ended up being assaulted by who

33:15

I believe was a U.S. Marshal, a

33:17

ranking member of the U.S. Marshal. He

33:20

took me from a courthouse to his

33:22

home and sexually assaulted me. The

33:25

crazy part about it, he sent

33:28

two detectives to me to kind of

33:30

round me up a little bit before

33:32

they brought me to him.

33:35

They were like, we know who

33:37

you are. We know your real name. We

33:39

know your age. We know your record. You

33:41

know what I'm saying? They're telling me all

33:44

this, and

33:46

then utilizing that information to

33:48

exploit me further. Nobody

33:50

thought to call my parents. Nobody

33:52

thought to ask me. You

33:55

know, when you were thinking back to

33:57

the 90s, when we were seeing missing people on

33:59

TV. Like, you just

34:01

think of these, like, you know, when they say,

34:03

call the cavalry, the cavalry comes,

34:06

they found the girls, you know,

34:08

and everything's good, they're rescued. In

34:11

real life, it doesn't work like that.

34:13

Nobody cares. Like, matter of

34:15

fact, you're even more vulnerable because you're missing

34:17

and nobody cares. It

34:19

sucks, but it feels like the truth,

34:22

honestly. This was an active member

34:24

of the U.S. Marshall? I

34:26

believe so. And I actually, it took

34:29

me a very, very long time to follow up.

34:31

I actually found out if I had press charges

34:33

within six months of it happening, I probably could

34:36

have sued the whole District of Columbia. But

34:39

DC being one of the most corrupt states,

34:42

you know, like, when it comes to the police

34:44

force, and then knowing, like,

34:46

okay, there's two detectives involved. There's

34:49

a U.S. Marshall who might be ranking, I don't know

34:51

if he was a sergeant or what, I don't remember,

34:53

but he had an office. I

34:57

believe the head of the

34:59

prostitution unit was involved. So

35:03

why would I go press charges?

35:06

And I would still be in traffic. You

35:10

know what I'm saying? Like, somebody with enough pool to

35:12

say, if you ever get arrested in this state, tell

35:14

them you're my niece. And

35:17

gives me his business card. Like, he wasn't afraid of

35:19

anything. But obviously, I couldn't keep

35:21

the business card because I'm still being trafficked if

35:23

my pimp found law enforcement

35:25

business card on me. I'm in trouble.

35:28

So, you know, when I got

35:30

around to reporting it and kind

35:33

of navigating through my PCSD at the

35:35

time, it was very rough. I

35:38

went back to the courthouse and tried

35:40

to identify the office. Couldn't do it

35:43

because so many years have passed. And

35:46

I finally looked at some pictures of some people they thought

35:48

could have been it. And

35:51

I couldn't identify anybody. And I

35:53

just busted out in tears. And I was just like,

35:56

you know, I don't get any justice. Like, you know,

35:58

I'm not just going to say anything. say, oh,

36:00

that's the guy, not knowing if

36:02

that's the guy or not, and just send some

36:04

random dude to jail. And it's good with the

36:07

old guys. So I'm like, I'm not going to

36:09

send some like 60 year old man in prison.

36:11

And I don't even, I'm not sure, you know,

36:13

but I don't know, it

36:15

was, it was a lot

36:17

to work through. And honestly, it comes

36:19

full circle because even though

36:21

I didn't, I'm not getting any justice for

36:24

being trafficked, I finally reported

36:27

my trafficking years later, with

36:30

so many minimal details, like

36:33

not knowing anybody's name, the

36:35

only I had more than

36:37

one pimp. And the

36:39

only pimp that I could actually identify,

36:41

I found out he died. So I'm

36:43

like, Oh, I'm never gonna get

36:45

justice, you know, but my first

36:47

album I'm dropping is actually called

36:50

poetic justice. So I'm

36:52

like my own form of justice. Like

36:54

I made my way out of it,

36:56

I found my own justice, like, and

36:59

here we are. Here it is. And

37:02

we'll be right back after a quick word from

37:04

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37:08

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37:12

you tell us about your your

37:14

dog DaVinci? Okay, so DaVinci

37:16

is my first son. He

37:19

is my ESA, and I'm his

37:22

ESP, emotional support person. He's a

37:24

lot like me, a big ball

37:26

of sunshine, people,

37:28

person. He actually just

37:30

left the ASPCA, they were

37:33

temporarily boarding him. And

37:35

they were like, Oh, he has a nickname.

37:37

We call him Binky. He got all the

37:39

extra bedding, the staff

37:42

lights, and like, definitely

37:44

a people person. And it's all first.

37:48

But yeah, I was just

37:50

recently reunited with him. Thank

37:52

goodness. After like I stated

37:54

my last little episode

37:56

of PCS. I really located

38:00

from Florida to New York. And

38:03

he was kind of shuffled around a

38:05

little bit and ended

38:08

up being taken by

38:10

a family member. I

38:12

was blocked on everything and

38:15

had no idea where he was, was

38:17

being told so many different stories

38:19

about, oh, he went to

38:21

a shelter, to oh, he went to a

38:24

new family, to nobody cares

38:26

to tell you. Can you tell us

38:28

a little bit more about what you did

38:30

when he went missing? So first I

38:32

panicked. Well, I know. Actually,

38:35

I mean, it was, I

38:38

did panic a little bit, but I had to

38:40

take a little bit to get through the shock

38:42

that it was actually happening by somebody

38:45

who was not just a

38:47

family member, but somebody I considered as

38:49

a friend. Like we were friends from

38:51

the cradle, you know, and I

38:54

was shocked, you know, this person

38:56

who said they would keep my dog for

38:58

me until I was able to get on

39:00

my feet and, you know, so

39:03

that I wouldn't have to be, lose

39:05

him, ended up being the person

39:07

standing in the way of me getting him back. But

39:09

luckily, I guess I said it

39:12

earlier about being involved now with

39:14

organizations that are helping

39:16

me who are more

39:18

connected to like HD type stuff. I'm working

39:21

with this, an attorney in DC,

39:24

and she was actually very, very instrumental

39:26

in keeping me calm and doing things

39:29

the legal way and making

39:31

suggestions and things like that. And

39:34

she's actually keeps telling me like, you

39:36

did it all, girl. Like you literally,

39:38

you know, kept

39:40

finding new ways to do

39:42

things, you know, because I'm thinking I got

39:44

to take her to court, you know, I

39:46

tried to call the police, but they're like,

39:48

you know, I couldn't even file in person

39:50

because, you know, it was a

39:53

civil claim type of situation. But

39:55

the problem was I didn't know what my cousin does. So

39:58

I was like, okay, I'm gonna get it. I was

40:00

like, how would I even serve her? How

40:03

can I even find anything? So

40:06

I honestly just started scouring the internet

40:08

for resources. And then I came up

40:10

with the bright idea, like, I

40:13

think I need a PI. I gotta find out where this,

40:16

after using Truthfinder and all the other places

40:18

to find somebody's address, I'm like, I don't

40:20

think I'm updating the system fast enough. I

40:22

don't know how to use this stuff that

40:25

tomorrow I'm gonna be charged like $50 for

40:27

all this stuff anyway. So,

40:31

I just kind of started scouring, like

40:33

from my knowledge of the

40:35

fact that there are organizations out here

40:37

that help people who do,

40:39

there's some organizations that will do things

40:42

pro bono for certain people. Like that

40:44

was my only hope because

40:46

I don't have an income right

40:48

now, not an extended income, I

40:50

should say. And I

40:52

think that was kind of the

40:55

plate, that gotcha moment. Oh,

40:58

I feel like I could just steal her dog

41:00

because she doesn't have the resources to get him

41:02

back. She doesn't have the money

41:04

to even get down

41:06

here and get him, but I was

41:09

able to locate him and

41:11

then follow it up by calling Animal

41:13

Control. And honestly, I had locating health.

41:18

And I appreciate every

41:22

single person who was a part

41:24

of that, honestly. Cause

41:26

DaVinci's my life, like honestly, he

41:29

makes life

41:31

better. I see

41:33

why dogs are

41:35

prescribed to people who have PCSD cause

41:39

there's days where you feel like you can't

41:41

get out of the bed or you're triggered

41:44

by something or just having another life to

41:46

take care of. Honestly, it makes

41:48

a big deal. So that's what,

41:51

when reaching out, I

41:53

mentioned that, he's my family. I have a

41:55

family, I have a mother who loves me

41:57

very much. I've

42:00

been on my own since I was 17 and

42:03

I can't imagine life without him. Like

42:05

honestly, he's like a

42:07

part of my resurrection where I finally feel like I'm

42:09

in a place where I could take

42:11

care of another being and hopefully one day

42:13

have kids, you know? So I wasn't about

42:15

to lose him, I would say that. But

42:19

yeah, he was recovered and, you

42:22

know, thank goodness for animal control because,

42:24

you know, he has anxiety. I

42:26

also at that point didn't have a sign of

42:28

life and my dog, so I'm

42:31

having nightmares thinking about, oh my God, what if

42:33

he got hit by a car? And, you

42:35

know, I'm just being lied to

42:37

so nobody hurts my feelings. And,

42:40

you know, those are all very

42:42

real realities. And somebody with anxiety

42:44

and PTSD, like that's

42:46

a super real reality. You think of

42:49

like, I'm a very

42:51

optimistic person, but having, you

42:54

know, trauma, I have to be

42:56

realistic. I have to have a

42:59

piece of pessimism in me in

43:03

order for things to make sense. And

43:06

that goes with like, I know we were

43:08

talking about before how like why a lot

43:10

of people don't speak up about certain things.

43:12

I've had to deal with being

43:15

stereotyped for leaving

43:17

home at 17. So,

43:20

which is weird to me, because I've had people tell

43:23

me to my face that they were mad at me

43:25

for leaving when it's like, oh yeah, I

43:27

just woke up one morning and said, I'm just gonna drop

43:29

out of high school, grab

43:31

all my poetry and just go out

43:33

in the world and just let it

43:35

take me. Yeah, that sounds really exciting.

43:39

But you'd be surprised about like how many

43:41

people hold that against

43:43

you or feel like you can't

43:46

finish things or whatever, and then to

43:48

top it off, to put more fuel

43:50

to fire, having had less

43:54

because of mental health reasons, as

43:56

a whole nother stereotype that's

43:58

added on top of. all of that,

44:01

you know, and then people try

44:04

to get into quote unquote

44:07

helping you or whatever

44:10

they want to call it when it's like nobody

44:12

was there when I was picking up the pieces

44:14

of my life, not really like I

44:16

lived a lot of years it was at least five years

44:18

of my life where I had no family, I had no

44:20

friends, I had no nobody it was just me and

44:22

God like and I barely even recognized God

44:24

at the time, you know, so it's just

44:27

me bopping through life. So

44:30

for people to then think that, oh,

44:34

you know what, she can't handle having a dog,

44:36

she must be in a

44:38

horrible situation or this or that let

44:40

me fix the situation for her, or

44:43

whatever, you know, it's kind

44:45

of like f-ed up and unfortunately, I'll

44:48

probably deal with stereotypes the rest of

44:50

my life. I just wanted to

44:53

follow up on again that thought about

44:55

why no one talks about this and

44:57

you keep like delivering these pieces of

44:59

information that reinforce the

45:02

reason why people don't talk about it

45:04

and I just realized like people are

45:07

judging young women in your situation just

45:09

solely based on their own selfish qualities.

45:12

I mean, they were putting it on

45:14

you, you know, why did you leave?

45:16

Well, it's not about how you

45:19

feel when I left, it's about

45:21

what happened to you, right? Does that make any

45:23

sense? Like a lot of the stuff that they

45:25

judge from comes from a point of view of

45:28

look what you did to me when you left, you

45:30

know, look what you did to my life and I

45:33

had to deal with that and they're not listening

45:35

to, you know, you

45:37

didn't just leave, you didn't just say like that sounds like

45:39

a good idea like you said. So

45:42

I feel like a lot of it is like, no

45:45

one really wants to look in the mirror and

45:47

be like, I have issues here. It's

45:49

not just this person. Everybody

45:51

on this planet has been through something

45:54

that another person can't

45:56

possibly understand or fathom

45:59

or something that we're ashamed of

46:01

or whatever, something we regret.

46:03

Like every single one of us who

46:05

is a human being, it doesn't matter

46:08

if you're born with a silver

46:10

spoon in your mouth or born in a hut,

46:12

we've all had moments

46:14

where life has just been life and we're

46:17

just sitting there as the main character wondering

46:19

how did I get here? I don't know

46:21

if this is good, but yeah

46:23

it's that's and it was like even

46:26

in Da Vinci

46:28

being taken from me, it

46:31

hurt, it hurt a lot because it was

46:34

hard to realize that it's still family members

46:37

that think of me like that, but at

46:39

the same time I had to remember while

46:42

I was gone and didn't have

46:44

communication for however many years, they

46:47

were left to draw

46:49

up their own stories about me,

46:51

had their own imaginings about

46:54

where I was, what I was doing,

46:56

I'm sure my own father told me,

46:58

you know, he was surprised that I

47:00

hadn't had a crack baby by the

47:02

time I called him, which was about

47:05

two years later I called back to him

47:09

and I was hurt, I still have

47:11

no kids, you know what I'm saying, and I've never

47:13

done crack, so but people like they

47:16

drop their own stuff and it carries over,

47:19

so once I came back, you

47:21

know, I see family from time

47:23

to time but nobody's living with me, they're

47:25

not with me every day, and so

47:28

they don't really know like who I am, what

47:30

I do, how I navigate life,

47:34

and they still

47:36

kind of come at me with some

47:38

of those thought processes that they build about

47:41

me and things, the negative things that were

47:43

said about me, or she was just from

47:45

bad kids that ran off probably out during

47:47

the status third, who knows, like it's

47:50

up, like even when I went missing, like it

47:54

wasn't looked at like this is a person who's

47:56

having a medical emergency and needs help, I

47:58

was just that, I was a a bad

48:00

kid who was just out

48:02

making bad decisions. Look, she used to get

48:05

in trouble at school all the time. She

48:07

goes to alternative school because she got kicked

48:09

out of her last school. Mind you, I

48:11

got kicked out of my last school following

48:13

the year that I was, I

48:16

hadn't even took the rape on me when I was 14. You

48:18

know, so it's like, people don't really look

48:20

at the whole story. They just

48:23

look at the bad parts and be like, you deserve

48:25

that or whatever, I don't know. There's

48:27

a lot of people, those people that think that

48:30

way, they treat me like I

48:33

just decided to throw away my life. Like

48:35

I'm just out, you know, and this is

48:37

not going on people with drug addiction at

48:39

all because they have their own struggles and

48:41

things like that. And who am I to

48:43

say how they got there? But

48:45

it's with that, like, I decided to

48:48

throw my life away or

48:51

I'm still out doing badly. Yeah, I

48:53

have trouble keeping a job and different things,

48:55

but I suffer from PCSC. I

48:57

suffer from feeling like I need to

48:59

catch up on life. Like I'm releasing music at 35

49:02

years old, a little

49:04

late to the game. But

49:07

still like, I don't know, I feel

49:09

like once I transition into

49:11

this new chapter of my life that

49:13

I'm very confident about, it's

49:15

gonna be some people that are almost

49:18

upset. Like, and it's

49:20

sad because I don't think they mean

49:22

to feel that way, but they've gotten

49:24

so comfortable with feeling like

49:26

they're bigger than you and you're down

49:28

here that when you start rising up,

49:30

they're like, oh man, I ain't never

49:32

see that coming. Like, so

49:35

I hope this shocked the world, honestly. And

49:39

I think it does like require people to take

49:41

a look at themselves when they see someone in

49:44

your position, even though you're saying,

49:46

you know, you're late to the game, you're

49:48

still entering the game and it doesn't really

49:50

matter, you know, it doesn't matter. If

49:53

you have the talent and the drive and the ambition to do

49:55

so, then you do it. I think a lot of people look

49:57

at that and they're like, oh man, I was

49:59

too comfortable. I I had all these

50:01

I had all these aspirations too and I didn't

50:04

do anything because why I don't have

50:06

a reason So I think it's tough. I

50:08

think it's a it's a tough thing. Yeah, and then

50:10

to do it as a high school dropout It's

50:12

kind of cool But

50:16

you know what every little every little piece of

50:18

your journey kind of like shows you that the

50:20

next piece was possible because I Actually,

50:23

I got my GED in 2010 and at first I

50:26

was very against getting my GED because

50:29

one of my brothers told me that

50:32

You know, my dad was very upset

50:34

that I left, you know, it just

50:36

it was messy long story short He

50:39

was like, you know Dad's not gonna

50:41

accept you back in the family unless

50:43

you get your GED and my

50:45

stance was like well If it's a piece of

50:47

paper that's keeping up a part and keeping

50:49

y'all from accepting me as like a family member in

50:51

a human being I'm not getting my

50:53

GED. I Was

50:55

very rebellious and I

50:59

Actually, it was funny. I was in Atlanta

51:01

and I went to this City

51:04

Hall meeting real ramble because right after I

51:06

got out of the light like I

51:09

knew I wanted to do something Like

51:11

I wanted to start an organization that

51:14

was helpful to not only

51:16

missing people people who been

51:19

trafficked but also to People

51:21

who are putting gangs at young ages like,

51:24

you know like kids that were kind of young

51:26

boys that were kind of born into the game

51:28

culture and never really had a chance

51:31

at Having a better life

51:33

and we're already in a system by a young

51:35

age Like I cared about all that and

51:37

I went to this town hall meeting and I'm sitting there

51:39

like yeah I want to do this and I want to

51:41

do that But I don't know. I don't know the first

51:43

thing about this or that. I don't even have my GED

51:45

and one of the Some

51:49

politician I don't know who it was,

51:51

but he was somebody important He

51:53

came to me was like I must have

51:55

the GED cause and get turns out

51:57

gives you $50 to get my GED I

52:00

actually did not get it done at that

52:03

time. I was still like immature and dealing

52:05

with certain things, but I went back in 2010, got

52:08

my GD, never

52:11

even studied for the test. Mind

52:14

you, this is about a good four

52:16

or five years after I dropped out

52:18

of school, hadn't done any schooling. I

52:21

scored in the top 10%

52:24

out of the country and in the

52:26

top 3% out in math. No

52:29

studying. So I'm like,

52:31

man, if I had studied, I could have aced

52:33

it. So when people kind of say

52:35

things to me ignorantly that insult my

52:37

intelligence, at least I can have a

52:39

cheeky smile to myself, knowing, at least

52:41

I know I'm not done. Because I

52:43

had to question myself a little bit.

52:45

We're kind of like, we're putting this

52:47

where, you know,

52:49

this test and different things that rate

52:51

our intelligence and if you don't complete

52:54

school, are you as intelligence? But especially

52:56

like coming into, I'm coming

52:59

into the perfect industry, right? Hip

53:01

hop is a place where you

53:03

have people who become millionaires and

53:05

billionaires who never, like think about

53:07

math, right? The kid, I

53:09

don't even think he made us a junior high.

53:11

And he literally dropped one of the dopest, most

53:17

classic albums of all

53:19

time, like of any genre. So

53:21

very intelligent for his lyrics of

53:23

all that. It wasn't because, oh,

53:25

he had great beats. Like this

53:28

man is like a genie, like

53:30

a mythical character when it comes

53:32

to the way he uses

53:34

the English language. So I don't

53:37

know. So I feel good. Like

53:39

I'm in, I'm

53:42

following the right dreams in

53:44

a place that like, I honestly feel

53:46

like hip hop embraces

53:49

me, you know? And even being in New

53:51

York, I feel embraced. I feel at home

53:53

here. Like the birthplace of hip hop, because

53:55

you could be a rebel. You could be

53:57

a dropout. You could be a misfit. a

54:00

black sheep, you know,

54:02

somebody who is stereotyped,

54:06

somebody who's been through tragedy, who's

54:08

been a, you know, been

54:11

a little convict and all that type

54:13

of stuff, like, and

54:15

yet somehow there's still a

54:18

way where I cannot just get

54:20

by or have enough to go on

54:22

a cute little vacation or buy some

54:24

Fendi, like, I might be able

54:26

to do something like what we were talking about

54:29

earlier, like, doing something

54:31

that could change the whole system

54:34

of how we treat missing

54:37

children, especially. It

55:08

is Ryan here and I have a question

55:11

for you. What do you do when you

55:13

win? Like are you a fist pumper? A

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